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CNN Fires Producer Over Personal Blog

dangerz writes "CNN has fired one of its producers because of his personal blog. Chez Paziena, the ex-producer, has stated that he started the blog 'mostly to pass the time, hone my writing skills, resurrect my voice a little, and keep my mind sharp following the [brain tumor] surgery.' After a few months, CNN found out about it and ended up letting him go because his 'name was "attached to some, uh, 'opinionated' blog posts" circulating around the internet.'"

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  1. They don't like competition by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe CNN doesn't like the competition scattered independent bloggers are providing to its all-encompassing media empire, and are taking out their anger on one of their own who dared embrace new media?

    1. Re:They don't like competition by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe CNN doesn't like the competition scattered independent bloggers are providing to its all-encompassing media empire, and are taking out their anger on one of their own who dared embrace new media?

      Are there any respectable news sources left on US TV? If it wasn't for the internet I would have been left believing that we are surrounded by terrorists and that our northern neighbour is hell bent on invading us. Heck, at what point did our news channels become 'based on a true event', instead of being 'about a real event'.

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    2. Re:They don't like competition by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny
      ...our northern neighbour is hell bent on invading us.

      Nice try there, Johnny Canuck, but watch the spelling next time.

    3. Re:They don't like competition by milsoRgen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe CNN doesn't like the competition scattered independent bloggers are providing to its all-encompassing media empire, and are taking out their anger on one of their own who dared embrace new media? I think it has more to do with the fact he used his real name, said some stuff that is okay by /.'r standards but was defiantly pretty racy to your average CNN view and as well he knew that he was suppose to get his outside work okayed with standards & practices. Really there is nothing to see here, the guy had it coming. IMO
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    4. Re:They don't like competition by susano_otter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe CNN doesn't like the competition

      In fact, CNN doesn't like the competition so much that their employment contracts prohibit CNN employees from publishing material except through CNN.

      A low-key blog on an uncontroversial topic like trainspotting probably would've gone unpunished. But a high-profile blog with extremist and offensive political content, under the name of a CNN producer?

      The real tragedy is that CNN is will probably now have to crack down on innocuous little blogs about knitting tea cozies, just to avoid lawsuits from asshats like this Producer for showing favoritism.

      On paper, this guy is getting fired for breach of contract. I think the real reason he's getting fired is for showing a profound lack of judgement and restraint while holding a position of responsibility at CNN. The political extremists and conspiracy theorists will no doubt assume that the whole thing is a sign of fundamental corruption and usurpation of civil liberties by the news media and their Illuminati overlords.
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    5. Re:They don't like competition by ronwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can't find sources of news on US television you're not smart enough to understand the news...

      The Newshour, Frontline, Now, BBC World, BBCAmerica nightly newscast, Charlie Rose, Democracy Now, Expose and even a couple programs on CNN international.

      Or you can always try practicing that whole "reading is fundamental" thing and check out a newspaper beyond the front page or website homepage.

    6. Re:They don't like competition by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BBC News America with Matt Frei. It's what journalism in this country used to be. It's excellent. Many others seem to be discovering this too, because it runs on at least four separate channels on my cable (DirecTV).

      Its a sad state of affairs when the only respectable news source in a country is a foreign one.

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    7. Re:They don't like competition by oldhack · · Score: 2, Funny

      Respectable news source in the US? Yes:

      http://www.nakednews.com/

      They have "nothing to hide". What's that? Canada isn't the US? You just keep on watching, boy.

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    8. Re:They don't like competition by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If that's the case, yes very sad. As a Brit, I am more than happy to pay the TV license fee because I really, really value the BBC. Don't even watch TV, just use their website.

      But would the US ever go for a mandatory $100 - $200 TV fee / tax, just to have advert free, relatively unbiased news? My sense is that when it comes to taxes, Americans lose their otherwise well developed sense of pragmatism and respect for information.

    9. Re:They don't like competition by wyohman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. News died January 20, 1981.

      Cheers.

  2. it's just him by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    After a few months, CNN found out about it and ended up letting him go because his 'name was "attached to some, uh, 'opinionated' blog posts" circulating around the internet.'

    MORBO DOES NOT FEAR CNN. MORBO WILL BLOG WHATEVER HE LIKES!

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    1. Re:it's just him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mommy, will Microsoft fire me for having a /. account and posting on /.? Dunno, but I work for Dell and I'm not taking any chances.
  3. No comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No comments, otherwise my boss will find out that my name is attached to the opinionated news site Slashdot, and will be "forced" to let me go.

  4. As for standards... by troybob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember, this is the network that gives Nancy Grace a prime-time slot, proving they have the highest regard for journalistic professionalism.

  5. Three words by boxlight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    PSEU. DO. NYM.

    1. Re:Three words by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you have to hide your identity to say what you want, the terrorists have won.

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    2. Re:Three words by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then they won pretty much at the beginning of civilization--somewhere around the time little Muggo the caveman decided he was going to tell the much larger and stronger Puggo the caveman tribal leader exactly what he thought of him right to his face.

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    3. Re:Three words by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember when two guys with a typewriter took down a US President - and used their real names.

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  6. You know, there was a name for this... by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... in the Repressive Communist Regime(TM)[1] of Yugoslavia. Verbal delict anyone?

    You may have freedom of speech, but it seems you are gradually losing freedom of opinion.

    We've had our little wars and revolutions; when will you be coming along?

    [1] Insert sarcasm tags where needed.

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  7. The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "they hammered home a single line in the CNN employee handbook which states that any writing done for a "non-CNN outlet" must be run through the network's standards and practices department. They asked if I had seen this decree. As a matter of fact I had... I had thought when I read the rule... that it was staggeringly vague and couldn't possibly apply to something as innocuous as a blog."

    He violated a clear written policy. The guy is stupid for thinking work published on an internet blog doesn't count as writing.

    1. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by johansch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So if your employer wrote down in a policy that employees were not allowed to breathe, and you then read that policy, and also presumably violated, that would be fair grounds for dismissal?

      "Policies" are not laws.

    2. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thats right, they aren't laws. He didn't go to jail, he got fired.

      He is a producer for a media outlet. He decided to not give CNN the first option for publishing what he was writing. That is a huge no no.

      The whole brain thing is pure BS to cloud a very clear violation of his relationship with his employer.

      End of story.

    3. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      So if your employer wrote down in a policy that employees were not allowed to breathe...

      The contest for Worst Analogy For This Story would seem to be between you and "However on the surface it does strike me as being awfully similar to a garbage man who works for a private waste management company, volunteering his time on saturdays on the Adopt-A-Highway program, cleaning up trash."

      We'll see if Bad Analogy Guy shows up to contest this one.

    4. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just love the system where your employer is entitled to the ownership of anything even remotely related to your job.
      Sounds like... slavery?

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    5. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Funny

      The guy is stupid for thinking work published on an internet blog doesn't count as writing.
      Read many blogs, do you? Most don't count as "writing". Really.
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    6. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by richie2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      any writing done for a "non-CNN outlet" must be run through the network's standards and practices department A clear written policy? Any writing? Really? Like "A loaf of bread and some milk"-writing? Oh? Not so clear written, then? It would not be far-fetched to assume that "any writing" in this context means "any professional writing that may constitute working for a competitor" as opposed to "any writing whatsoever, even if it's a shopping list or a personal blog".
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    7. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by sd.fhasldff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He violated a clear written policy. The guy is stupid for thinking work published on an internet blog doesn't count as writing.

      He what now?

      Clear? You call that policy CLEAR?!

      If the part in quotes is actually a quote, "non-CNN outlet", then it is indeed very far from clear. If anything, I would argue that it's clearer that a blog *shouldn't* count, since a personal blog is not an "outlet" in the context used (CNN). If he had written the blog for the NY Times, then sure, by all means...

    8. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one made him work there in the first place (and agree to the terms of doing so), and no one was making him stay, so no; it isn't anything like slavery.

    9. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by at_slashdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's get real, "writing done for a non-CNN outlet" means working for somebody else, blogging is just posting a journal online, jeez... what's next, companies demanding you not to talk to somebody else in your free time unless they approve what you say before you open the mouth?

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    10. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Throughout history, there have been many kinds of slavery. Some were at least semi-voluntary, and ended after an agreed-upon time period.
      Much like contracts of today.

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    11. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any writing? Really? Like "A loaf of bread and some milk"-writing? You seem to be overlooking the term "outlet," which would mean a place that disseminates the work for him (which blogspot would certainly qualify for). So no, the definition's not as wide ranging as you're trying to say it is.

      Besides, he's writing a blog with a fairly wide audience for an ad-supported site. He knew all of this. While the line doesn't clearly apply to blogs, he either realized that his blog could have fallen under those guidelines or he deserves to be fired anyway.
    12. Re:The dude violated a policy he admitted he read. by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love how blogs are a revolutionary new form of news reporting and editorializing that will take on and bring down the increasingly-obsolete mainstream media in a perfect storm of individual private journalism... except when the mainstream media actually starts treating blogs like competitors, and then they're just irrelevant little things that can't possibly compare to the reporting and editorializing done by big news corporations.

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  8. Re:OMGWTFBBQ!!! by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will the madness stop??!

    Once companies discovers they have to fire the vast majority of their employees because there just aren't as many cookiecutter droids as HR had hoped, and society collapses.

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  9. Not so quickly now.... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do we know this isn't the guy who's been making CNN cover britney instead of actual news huh? Cause I'm all for firing whoever that dude is.

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    1. Re:Not so quickly now.... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 3, Funny
      Nevermind.....

      I marveled at our elevation of the death of Anna Nicole Smith to near-mythic status and our willingness to let the airwaves be taken hostage by every permutation of opportunistic degenerate from a crying judge to a Hollywood hanger-on with an emo haircut. Well at least the poor dude doesn't have to work for them anymore.
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    2. Re:Not so quickly now.... by Mex · · Score: 2, Funny

      So he's the only one at CNN who saw the ridiculous coverage of Anna Nicole Smith as the crap that it was, and ... he was the one with a brain tumor. Sort of explains a lot about CNN.

  10. this guy's story is pretty interesting actually by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the light he sheds on the way that MSM / corporate news works these days. Even though so many of us suspect that the facts of his story were true before reading his story, it is always nice to hear an insider confirm your suspicions.

    At this point, we should all be thinking about how to coerce MSM to be actual factual news outlets again? Ideas, anyone?

    It's obvious that having good ratings is better than being rated highly as a reliable news source. Perhaps (new Internet meme inbound) it is time for Anonymous to start informing advertisers of MSM that we don't like the shows associated with their products?

    It would seem that only money talks these days. The real question is: Is it the advertisers dollars that talk loudest, or the politically generated dollars that talk loudest? Who really are the MSM's dollar dealers?

  11. Competition? by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First of all, I think CNN is totally off-the-wall on this one. However on the surface it does strike me as being awfully similar to a garbage man who works for a private waste management company, volunteering his time on saturdays on the Adopt-A-Highway program, cleaning up trash. This puts him in competition (especially if he does it for free) when the company wants a piece of the action in the form of a service contract from the municipality the freeway runs though.

    Even if he isn't trying to do so, he's in a position to take readership from the company (weather it happens or not), and that is something they have a vested interest in stopping.

    In this case, CNN would have been smarter (if this guy has the connections in the blogging community he claims he does) to keep him on the payroll as an independent blogger, with the rights to use his material on the show to further the perception that CNN is "down" with news bloggers. At the same time, give him some access to CNN's news-sources so he can break some stories that they "pass" upon on the broadcast show, and if he makes enough noise (or viewers) put it on the CNN pages/broadcast, and get the guy some screen time.

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  12. sex sells by esocid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With the exception of the period immediately following 9/11, which saw the best characteristics of television journalism shocked back into focus and the passion of even the most jaded and cynical of its practitioners return like a shot of adrenaline to the heart, the profession I once loved and felt honored to be a part of has lost its way.
    That's pretty much how I feel about journalism these days. I'm not sure what brought it about, whether it is who owns the mass media or government, but no longer are there worthwhile reports about what is important. It's about what sells. The days of muckracking seem to be over (for the mass media, wikileaks comes to mind most currently as non-mass media) and it is more about this celebrity did this or propaganda sent down the channels, and shy away from stories that really expose stories with an unbiased presentation.

    I was asked to complete self-evaluations which pressed me to describe the ways in which I'd "increased shareholder value." (For the record, if you're a rank-and-file member of a newsroom, you should never under any circumstances even hear the word "shareholders," let alone be reminded that you're beholden to them.) I watched the media in general do anything within reason to scare the hell out of the American public -- to convince people that they were about to be infected by the bird flu, poisoned by the food supply, or eaten by sharks.
    To think that someone who works in the business of providing an unbiased view of what exactly is occurring in the world should in no way have any connection to whether or not their employer makes money off of it. This goes back to making money. If I had watched CNN before now I would stop, but I guess since I never do it's moot.
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  13. And yet... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace are still employed.

  14. I see opportunity for him... by Pojut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was obvious he was growing quite a following...this news story will undoubtedly add to that following. He should slap a couple of google adsense boxes on his page, and make his blog full-time. He likely has the exposure necessary to do so...

  15. department of redundancy department by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Funny
    his 'name was "attached to some, uh, 'opinionated' blog posts" circulating around the internet.'"

    As opposed to the other kind?

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  16. Re:Filtered by websense by milsoRgen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What, exactly, did he post that was so damn controversial that CNN felt the need to let him go? I'm not entirely sure, but he see does seem critical of the mainstream press in general. Some stuff on the election (with the title "Is Barack Obama Gonna Have to Choke A Bitch") and entertainment figures. The use of Tigger in an adult themed context seems to be the riskiest thing thus far. Still seems pretty tame by most standards, but considering his name was tied to it and he was an employee of CNN I can see how they would be wary being connected to it. Really, we've given business so much leeway in their hiring and firing practices that I fail to see the relevance to all this, aside from the fact he has a bigger soapbox than most to stand on. In fact in his write up of the issue, he mentions the fact that the employee handbook states you must okay any outside work through standards and practices, and he was aware of that a full month before. So really, nothing to see here.
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  17. Ob-quote?! by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've only one thing to say.... I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

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  18. Re:NOT his job by gruntled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (Disclaimer: I too was once a producer at CNN)

    Unfortunately when you're a traditional journalist, any public expression of opinion is about your job...

    I feel bad for this gentleman for losing his day job, but, seriously, anybody who works in the mainstream media understands that your boss is quite likely to impose certain limitations on public expressions of your personal opinion. It was only a matter of time before something this guy wrote on his blog ticked off somebody enough that a critical resource would refuse to provide necessary information to CNN. If you think this is crazy, Linda Greenhouse, who covers the Supreme Court for the New York Times, has been under absolute siege just because of who she's married to: Eugene Fidell, an expert on military law who's filed a number of briefs relating to the Guantanamo detainees. Note that nobody has been screaming that Greenhouse is doing a bad job or presenting the facts about Guantanamo in a biased fashion; they're simply claiming that it's impossible for her to do so because she is married to somebody who's a player in that arena. (I should probably note both that Greenhouse is considered the best reporter covering the court, and that in 1989 she was publicly chastised by the NYT for participating in an abortion rights march).

    So editors are generally pretty intolerant of reporters who mouth off in a public fashion. The idea is that it's hard enough to create a story that presents the positions of both sides fairly if you're already on the record as saying, for example, that you wish the President could run for a third term. Filtered through that gem, your otherwise fair representation of the positions of all sides might appear to be somewhat slanted.

    I'm a little astounded that this fellow didn't adopt an online pseudonym...

  19. Democracy Now! by srobert · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Are there any respectable news sources left on US TV?"

    Yes. You could watch Democracy Now with Amy Goodman on Link TV or Freespeech TV. They come in on satellite at least. I think the local cable company where I live has blocked them out.

    1. Re:Democracy Now! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

      You could watch Democracy Now with Amy Goodman

      Let's try that again: are there any respectable news sources that aren't blatantly anti-conservative? I just looked at the web page for that show, and every story was about which Democrat will be nominated, and how Bush is trying to kill or take over the world. Literally. For example, here are the Monday headlines:

      • In Tight Democratic Race, Could Campaign Donations and Personal Views Influence Potentially Decisive Superdelegate Vote?
      • Analyst: On Africa Visit, Bush Pushes Agenda of Continent-Wide U.S. Military Expansion
      • In Africa, Bush Touts Record AIDS Relief under his Administration, but Funding Restrictions Tell a Different Story on the Ground
      • Seton Hall Law Students Discover U.S. Military Routinely Videotaping Gitmo Interrogations

      I think I'll stick with The Daily Show, and maybe try BBC World News America. Those can't be any worse than the CNN or Fox jackasses.

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    2. Re:Democracy Now! by gnick · · Score: 5, Funny

      In any case, after reading that blog post, I'm never, ever watching one second of CNN again.. Sure, you talk big. But let's just see where you turn next time you want an update on Paris Hilton's brother's DUI, Britney Spears's sister's pregnancy, Britney's zany exploits and custody issues, or Lindsay Lohan's latest wreck (car or box-office - your pick)?
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    3. Re:Democracy Now! by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, but we can't help it if reality has a liberal bias.

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    4. Re:Democracy Now! by daveywest · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Doubt it. I worked for a small (22k circulation) daily paper in editorial and later production. We did a lot of contract printing for small rags, and we'd mock them when they would put an ad on their front page for selling out.

      All hell broke loose the day the sales dept. said we were putting a "banner" across the bottom of our flagship daily.

      Of course, that was right after we were told we couldn't report automotive recalls anymore because a used car dealer threatened to pull his advertising for reporting that "used cars might be unsafe." I personally got written warnings for using the word "poaching" when a city councilman was arrested by fish & game with a shotgun and a dead deer carcass out of season. What ever happened to calling a duck a duck?

    5. Re:Democracy Now! by ystar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I find PBS to be quite level-headed, but I'm speaking as someone quite opposed to the current administration. Bill Moyer's Journal is great, and probably free online, as are most PBS shows. Frontline has also continually improved their coverage of in-depth issues lately.

    6. Re:Democracy Now! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, here's the thing: I'm an intelligent adult, and I like talking about issues with people I disagree with. I don't mind being told that I'm wrong as long as I also hear why I'm wrong. Who knows - I might even change my mind. It wouldn't be the first time.

      However, I have little patience for people who just scream that I'm an idiot and that everyone I even halfway agree with is a mindless killer. As much as I can't stand Bush (because as I said earlier, I'm a conservative - I'm not sure what he is), I'm not that interested in reading about how he's stepping up for his role as the Antichrist.

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    7. Re:Democracy Now! by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      I feel like a traitor to mankind just for being able to list four celebrity "news" shows by name. I understand - I think I need an extra shower tonight in order to cleanse myself of the feeling I got after realizing that I could name off four semi-current celebrity "news" stories...
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    8. Re:Democracy Now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My, what a witty saying. Did you come up with that yourself?

      Media has a liberal bias in the sense that it assumes the only axis on which people can have opinions is the "raging neocon" to "bleeding-heart liberal", and of the two, the latter is the better option.

      Well, the premise is bullshit, so no wonder the output is no better. Even Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter are evidence of the liberal bias: the only conservatives we hear about are the raving nutcases.

      How about good old-fashioned "less government is better" conservatives? How about "lowering government spending and federal debt"? After all you've seen in the past 10 years, why does anybody still believe that it's reasonable to think "bigger government is great, as long as my candidate is in the White House"?

      Why do we see "democrats want to give everybody healthcare" and "republicans oppose science", but never "democrats want to increase government spending even more" or "republicans want to protect the environment"? Sure, there are people on both sides who disbelieve each of these, but strangely the democrats always end up looking good, and the republicans always end up looking bad.

      Reasonable republicans are virtually ignored by the media, in favor of covering neo-con republicans (who are in power today) and their feckless democratic opponents.

      I don't consider myself a Democrat or a Republican, but the media does seem incredibly biased. Both parties have some really good ideas, and some really bad ideas. It does not help the public debate in this country to continuously display only the good ideas from one side, and only the bad ideas from the other.

    9. Re:Democracy Now! by FSWKU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But let's just see where you turn next time you want an update on Paris Hilton's brother's DUI, Britney Spears's sister's pregnancy, Britney's zany exploits and custody issues, or Lindsay Lohan's latest wreck (car or box-office - your pick)?
      Easy, Fox News. Seriously, that's EXACTLY the kind of trivial bullshit making front page headlines (on there AND on CNN) that made me switch to BBC America.
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    10. Re:Democracy Now! by Sgt.+Joe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only new source I trust is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

    11. Re:Democracy Now! by mattmarlowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TV hasn't really had a respectable moderate/independent American news show since the late 90's.

      I think FOX started it by going way right, and then CNN decided to counter by going left.

      PBS tried to stay in the center, and they still do a bunch of stuff well, but they've been tilting slightly leftward the last few years - not so much in the content of their articles as much as the selection of what to cover.

      The BBC also used to be the gold standard for neutrality, but after the various scandals relating to their reporters coverage - I stopped watching. I don't think I'll start again -- BBC is naturally going to have a somewhat "europe" centered view of news, and I think USA and Europe are heading in opposite directions/perspectives.

      Charlie Rose and C-SPAN are still good wonderful places to get unbiased direct reporting. More and more, this is where my tv dial is tuned. But, neither c-span or charlie rose try to cover more than a small percent of what is going on in the world.

      Strangely enough, as someone who has regularly read the new york times, washington post, la times, etc the last 15 years....the only somewhat neutral comprehensive coverage of whats going on seems to be in the wall street journal print edition. I guess while business people may be
      more conservative in general than the populace, they still are willing to pay a premium to know really is going on, and the perspectives of all sides.

    12. Re:Democracy Now! by joggle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The BBC isn't immune to trivial BS either. Just the other night they spent at least 10 minutes on this nutjob that is still claiming a massive conspiracy in Princess Diana's death (claiming it was an assasination) with absolutely no proof to back himself up. I'd rather see a story about a cat saving a squirrel than more tripe like that.

    13. Re:Democracy Now! by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "In any case, after reading that blog post, I'm never, ever watching one second of CNN again.."

      Say it with me now: never mix your real life with your internet life.

      That's what this guy did, and he got fired for it and he'll probably never get a another news job unless it's for online news blog site. You can't go online and blog under your real name and be shocked when your bosses find out and may not like what you're writing about, especially when you're working for a big firm like CNN.

      The idiot actually put on his blog that he's in the TV business, lists off all the places he's worked, that he has two emmys and a golden mic award, and that he lives in New York with his wife, and goes by "Chez", and on the link to his myspace he puts his age as 38. Gee, wouldn't take much to figure out who you are, and soon as the internet does and that you work for CNN every link to your page will read "CNN producer said this today". Think your boss would like that?

      then he says:
      "I'm an insufferable wise-ass who doesn't mind being an occasional nuisance to authority figures."
      -- wow, I'm sure your bosses love that
      "I wake up every morning baffled as to why America hasn't deported George Bush and Dick Cheney"
      -- Sure CNN producer, bash the president, your bosses won't care.
      --and I bet that's just the start, I'm sure if I bothered to read his blog their would be plenty of other BS opinions that CNN doesn't want to be associated with.

      And he wonders why he doesn't have a job anymore??

      I do not feel sorry for this guy and don't think anyone should, you can't be stupid and expect my sympathy. If he hasn't figured out how the world works at 38 he never will and if I was his wife I'd leave his stupid ass.

      The only "job/school/etc fired me over blog/facebook/myspace" person I feel sorry for is this woman, who, at 25, was denied her college degree because she had a picture of herself in a pirate outfit drinking from a plastic cup and the title "drunken pirate" on her myspace page. If you can't have a picture of yourself taking a drink at 25 then when can you??

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    14. Re:Democracy Now! by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really can't blame you if you're from west africa or something, but try to track with me here:

      There is such a thing as free speech, and americans, including this guy, expect it.

    15. Re:Democracy Now! by srobert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Let's try that again: are there any respectable news sources that aren't blatantly anti-conservative?"
      Answer: No. Blatant anti-conservatism in today's political climate is necessary to be respectable.
      By that I mean I can't tell you things that you really need to know (which is essential to being respectable) without conservatives ranting that I'm being biased.

    16. Re:Democracy Now! by unlametheweak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You argue that the Producer was being stupid for having a blog and that he should have realized the consequences. I disagree, I think this person probably did realize the consequences (he was in the news media after all), but may have under-estimated the banality of CNN executives and the more dubious nature of the Human Resource profession.

      But; the idea behind the article is about what is fair and reasonable. I would argue that being fired for having a blog is not fair or reasonable, and in the end it merely damages CNN's reputation. For the average person that doesn't read Slashdot or doesn't read the referenced articles to Wikipedia entries (for example) then this will be a non-issue. So too, for the average person who watches CNN for their daily news fix; an employee's blog will hardly be relevant or noticeable unless it is specifically pointed out and made noticeable by CNN.

    17. Re:Democracy Now! by ktappe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not feel sorry for this guy and don't think anyone should, you can't be stupid and expect my sympathy.
      You and those who agree with you are the reason we are all losing our rights to free speech. He did absolutely nothing wrong. He exercised his First Amendment rights and you somehow defend the employer who revokes his living as punishment. You, sir, are an enjoyer (and abuser) of the rights gained by people who did exactly what this guy did--speak up against authority. How dare you decry his actions? If you hate freedom so much, how about you go to North Korea and then get back to us how nice it is to submit to immoral authority?
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    18. Re:Democracy Now! by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Though it's not quite television, I've found NPR to cover both sides of the spectrum fairly evenly. Best of all, you can simply listen to it while using your eyes for more productive things.

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    19. Re:Democracy Now! by twistedcubic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, Frontline has been awesome for decades. I get disappointed when I discover people I know never heard of it. But anyway, Democracy Now is not a liberal show. It's on the Pacifica network, which is very leftist (think highly insightful liberal, which is almost nonexistent in the USA). If you're in California, it's KPFK in southern CA and KPFA in northern CA, and there is a station in Washington D.C. (where it's based, I think). They play lectures by Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti (at least during the fund drives). So if you voted for GW twice, you won't find anything interesting about Democracy Now, because, you know, they hate America. If you've never heard of Michael Parenti, you should listen to some of his lectures on audiotape from the early 90s (or is it CDs now?). Great speaker and very insightful.

    20. Re:Democracy Now! by birdboy2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "don't say X or you lose your job" sounds like coercion to me. Sure, it's not the government doing it, but big business has plenty of power all its own.

    21. Re:Democracy Now! by jmac1492 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not feel sorry for this guy and don't think anyone should, you can't be stupid and expect my sympathy.

      You and those who agree with you are the reason we are all losing our rights to free speech. He did absolutely nothing wrong. He exercised his First Amendment rights and you somehow defend the employer who revokes his living as punishment.

      CNN is not a person; it is part of a corporation. Corporations, too, have been ruled to have a right to free speech. (Unlike in most other cases, in this one corporate personhood makes sense. Bear with me.) If Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper or Chez Pazienza says something stupid on the air, it looks bad for CNN, not just that one person. It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Sure, I have the RIGHT to run around telling everyone that a wolf is coming, but I do things to stop myself from doing so (like exercising judgment) so that people will trust me when it counts. If CNN employees say something stupid publicly, whether or not they're on the clock, people won't trust CNN, so CNN should do something to make sure it (through its employees) doesn't say stupid things. CNN is more valuable (from both a making money perspective and an informing the public of current events perspective) if its employees don't go off saying stupid things.

      So CNN has the right to prevent its employees* from saying things that make people not trust CNN. How the news business is supposed to work is that people can trust an organization that will report things unbiasedly, and then, with a full set of facts, people will draw the conclusions they will. One news story from today is that Michelle Obama, Barrack Obama's wife, said on the campaign trail that "For the first time in [her] adult life, [she is] proud of her country." Some people are going to draw the conclusion that she is unpatriotic, others that Obama is too inexperienced for letting his wife make a rookie mistake like that. Still others will think that this whole "controversy" is stupid and move on. CNN's job is to give you the quote and it's your job to make the decision. If CNN is leading you in any of those directions, it is doing something wrong.

      There's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes at news organizations; misdirection might come from someone other than the guy in front of the camera. Chez Pazienza was a behind the camera guy, so his work wasn't always visible. He could have been pulling strings, trying to slant news in a certain way, and we probably would have been none the wiser. It's important to note here that CNN would have probably found out eventually if he was doing that. Had they caught him slanting the news, that's probably grounds for dismissal.**

      Chez Pazienza evidently cares deeply about lefty causes. We know this because he runs a left-wing blog. CNN, like all credible news organizations, doesn't want people to slant its news to either the left or the right. The problem is that the public at large can't tell if someone is ACTUALLY slanting the news behind the camera, because they're not in the room watching the editorial decisions getting made. CNN, like all credible news organizations, tries not to employ devout liberals or conservatives except in very specific roles*. After all, die-hards are more tempted to slant the news. They caught a die-hard who slipped through the cracks, so they fired him.***

      By the way, this is the kind of journalism ethics I learned in high school. I realize that it's not necessarily common sense to most people, but a producer for CNN should know how journalism works.

      *Newspapers have the concept of an editorial "page" where the newspaper writes its own opinions on topics. (On Sundays this may expand to a section.) There, because it is supposed to be opinion and not fact, it's OK to display a bias. On cable news, it's harder to distinguish because there isn't the physical separation that comes from putting it on a different page. The equivalent is the talking heads show

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    22. Re:Democracy Now! by dpninerSLASH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's still short-sighted on CNN's part. As the author of the article noted, a warning or ultimatum would have cast responsibility back on him, at which point he would have been forced to accept the repercussions of his (in)actions. Either way, the goal would have been achieved: This man would no longer be a CNN producer who blogged.

      As it stands, CNN created a needlessly confrontational situation in which they come across as the aggressor.

      Think about it this way: CNN obviously has a tremendous amount of respect for the blog as an effective and efficient news outlet with the potential to influence the opinions of many. Why would they want to risk ostracizing an employee with an all-ready established readership?

    23. Re:Democracy Now! by uimedic · · Score: 4, Informative

      He got fired for repeatedly publishing opinion on the Huffington Post. His blog was part of the problem, but the firing offense was publishing opinion _regularly_ at the HP. The handbook said that he could not write for non-approved outlets - and the HP is definitely an outlet.

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    24. Re:Democracy Now! by birdboy2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Big business has plenty of power of its own" makes me Captain Paranoia in an age when the MPAA is writing copyright law? I suppose the Hollywood Ten weren't censored, then, and neither were blacklisted union organizers. Employers have a long, long history of firing people for exercising their first amendment rights. It's the same idea that's behind "cut your hair and get a job" - employers have a great deal of control over their employees, and while maybe an individual or even an industry is occasionally free of it, it remains the norm. If the bartender tells everyone to fuck off while on duty, sure. If the bartender writes a somewhat-critical blog about life at the bar while honestly identifying himself, though? Do you think that's right? Do you think that's anything *but* censorship? Do you think he can just walk down the street and get a job at another bar while still speaking freely? The business world will hire or exclude people based on things other than proven ability levels, and they generally think the same way about what these black marks are. It's much worse for a CNN employee than a bartender, though - how many TV media companies are there? And even if he does find a job, he'll probably lose money because of the lack of bargaining power, and quite possibly pull down his blog to improve his chances of being hired after employers google his name? I'm not talking about men in black helicopters. I'm not saying the employers are acting based on any massive, evil conspiracy - but just the same, employers take their own prejudices and standards and stuff into hiring decisions, and often don't approve of people speaking ill of them, and when this is left legal it leads to a practical condition of censorship.

    25. Re:Democracy Now! by mshomphe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please point out the reasonable Republicans. Moreover, please point out those "less government is better conservatives" who haven't spent the last 8 years supporting George W. Bush's rampant expansion of the federal government.

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    26. Re:Democracy Now! by crdotson · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the US, the first amendment only covers what the government does, not a nongovernmental entity like CNN. Of course, that does not mean that they aren't assholes for firing him, but it doesn't violate constitutional freedom of speech. Emphasis mine:

      Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    27. Re:Democracy Now! by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      >There is such a thing as free speech, and americans, including this guy, expect it.

      You forgot the corporate route-around the constitution - it doesn't matter if the constitution says this or that, if the people with the power to grant, or take away, your livelihood don't have to abide by it.

      It's the same in the EU - people with power - corporations (et al,) aren't restricted by the (pitiful and inefective, but let's not get into that) restrictions of the constitutions/rights charters, etc. Only the government is (ok ... supposedly ... like I said, let's not get into that). As far as Corporations exist, with their power over people, and do so outside ... let me charecterise it as - reasonable restraints - then this sit will continue to happen and we will be not so much under a dictatorship as under a defacto dictatorship.

      Governments could say - corportations shouldn't wield this sort of power - this sort of discrimination - and it would be stopped, but people need to tell their governments that they need to curb corporate power first.

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    28. Re:Democracy Now! by Alsee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My, what a witty saying. Did you come up with that yourself?

      No, it's a famous line from the Colbert Report.

      The Faith-Based idiots in the Whitehouse came up with some real winner lines dissing their critics in the "Reality Based Community". Colbert agreed with them with a lovely little quip: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias". The "Reality Based Community" has joyously embraced the title they were been given.

      Reasonable republicans are virtually ignored by the media, in favor of covering neo-con republicans (who are in power today)

      Damn, ya got me there....
      My mailman is a "reasonable republican", and he has no power whatsoever, but DAMNIT it is Liberal Bias when the Media doesn't give him Equal TV Coverage.

      Even Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter are evidence of the liberal bias: the only conservatives we hear about are the raving nutcases.

      Excuse me, but citing Fox News of committing Liberal Bias.... wow... just wow. Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter were made into national media personalities BY conservatives FOR conservatives. Liberals did not pick Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter, liberals did not make Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter national media personalities, liberals aren't the audience giving them ratings to stay on TV. The "the media has a liberal bias" people selected and eagerly consume Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter.

      How about good old-fashioned "less government is better" conservatives?

      Who? Where? Anyone of any actual national importance and power?

      I guess maybe there's Ron Paul, but he lies somewhere beween Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter on the radical raving nutcase scale. And aside from him and Kucinich providing comic relief in the presidential race, he has about as much power as my mailman.

      The only "less government is better conservatives" I see in power, and the "less government is better conservatives" voting to PUT them in power, are the tax-cut-and-spend idiots. The worst sort of voters who INSIST on being lied to by politicians with fantasy lines and the politicians who will tell those lies to get elected. "Vote for me! I'll cut your taxes to ZERO! And I'll triple military spending making the US the biggest baddest mother on the block and I'll increase farm subsidies and give everyone their very own pet porkbarrel earmark and I'll give Flapjack Idaho the same billions in anti-terror money as NewYorkCity and I'll give a hundred trillion dollars more increasing teh DEA to arrest those damn liberal hippie potheads and I'll spend TWELVEHUNDREDZILLIONBILLION dollars building a 42-million-mile long border fence and I'll hire a guzillion border guards to hold hands from coast to coast keeping those damn brown people out! Taxes are all the Demoncrat's fault and if you elect me I'll spend more More MORE money giving you stuff and all those evil taxes will go away with those evil Demoncrats! NO NEW TAXES! NO TAXES AT ALL! NO TAXES EVER! Oh, and I'll give everyone a $1200 economic stimulus check too! FREE MONEY FOR EVERYONE! Woohoo! And no taxes! No Demoncrats, no taxes!"

      Call me when elected conservatives in power - and the conservative voters who put them there - stop PANDERING to each other with "tax cut" chances AND spending increase promises AND living in magic-money fantasy-land.

      Why do we see [in the media] "democrats want to give everybody healthcare"

      Because that is the the position of the majority of important influential democrat politicians, and the position of the majorty of their voter supporters.

      and "republicans oppose science"

      Because that is the the position of the majority of important influential republican politicians, and the position of the majorty of their voter supporters.

      but never "democrats want to increase government spending even more"

      Because, conservative tax-and-spend-liberal fantasies notwithstanding, democrats are not notably any different from republicans on spending.

      or "republicans wa

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    29. Re:Democracy Now! by theglassishalf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He never griped about CNN on his blog. That was a large part of the problem with CNN's decision, or at least why it gets such a reaction. A lot of people are really uncomfortable with being forced to conform to a narrow, "corporate" veneer both at work and at home. Most people give work 8-10 hours+ of their life every day. It's not too much to ask companies to stay away from the few free waking hours people have remaining.

      This is why unions are a good idea. Bosses have too much power.

      -Daniel

    30. Re:Democracy Now! by rohan972 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Moreover, please point out those "less government is better conservatives" who haven't spent the last 8 years supporting George W. Bush's rampant expansion of the federal government.

      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

      As to your reasonable requirement, that depends very much on your point of view.

    31. Re:Democracy Now! by l-ascorbic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it's kind've notable, what with the nutjob in question being the father of Dodi Fayed, and with it being central to a multi-million pound court inquest. But yeah, it's still idiotic.

    32. Re:Democracy Now! by ghc71 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Americans should expect their speech to be free from suppression by their government.
      Americans should not expect their speech to be free from consequences from other non-governmental parties.

      The Federalist Papers were written anonymously for a reason - and the anonymous speech is protected as a consequence. If one does not choose to take advantage of that protection, then one should not be surprised that people or corporations seek punitive retribution, if they are adversely affected by that speech.

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    33. Re:Democracy Now! by thebdj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Damn, ya got me there.... My mailman is a "reasonable republican", and he has no power whatsoever, but DAMNIT it is Liberal Bias when the Media doesn't give him Equal TV Coverage.

      Oh yes, because every republican in the federal politics right now is some far-right leaning, borderline fascist, neo-conservative trying to push their religious ways on the rest of us. As you've probably heard by now if you hung out around /. long enough, there is a Republican running for president and a Texas Congressman who is more Libertarian then Republican. He believes in smaller government and less spending. Oh right, he also hasn't supported Bush much, if at all. Yet, he has continually be relegated to obscurity even from the very onset of the 2008 Presidential campaigns.

      Excuse me, but citing Fox News of committing Liberal Bias.... wow... just wow. Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter were made into national media personalities BY conservatives FOR conservatives. Liberals did not pick Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter, liberals did not make Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter national media personalities, liberals aren't the audience giving them ratings to stay on TV. The "the media has a liberal bias" people selected and eagerly consume Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter.

      Actually, I think if you read the OP post again. You will see what he is trying to say is that the mention of these people continually by the "liberal media" is more evidence of their bias. They attack these fringe individuals who have extremists views and make easy targets, while at the same time making the entirety of the "conservative media" look equally as nutty.

      Who? Where? Anyone of any actual national importance and power? I guess maybe there's Ron Paul, but he lies somewhere beween Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter on the radical raving nutcase scale. And aside from him and Kucinich providing comic relief in the presidential race, he has about as much power as my mailman.

      Ah yes, a brilliant method to attack anyone whose views you do not agree with, call them a "radical raving nutcase". So, does this mean everyone who supports "third parties" in the presidential campaigns should also fall into this area since they don't hold one of the two mainstream political ideologies. Oh wait, I am sorry, the singular mainstream political ideology. The two parties that we have decided to continually vote for look more and more like each other with every passing election. Republicans stopped thinking about less-spending long ago, and Democrats stopped being strictly about helping the little people and the environment long ago.

      Seriously, do you think a political party led by money can have any clue what the people living in the low-income areas of Chicago, New York, or D.C. actually want/need from the government? The fact is current politics are RULED by big money. If you have the money, you can get elected. Of course, in order to do that you need to weasel your way closer and closer to the middle, which is why the parties have become so similar. To make matters worse, you have all fallen into this idea that any vote outside of these two parties is a wasted vote. If more people actually voted based on what they believe and actually used their brain some more on election day (and the rest of the year), I think this country would easily support a third or fourth party.

      Because that is the the position of the majority of important influential democrat politicians, and the position of the majorty of their voter supporters.

      This is not true. It is used as a gimmick to get the poor vote, but most of them want absolutely nothing to do with a national health-care program. Some of those big money democrats that I mentioned before almost assuredly get money from health insurance companies and/or big pharma. Neither have these companies have anything to gain from national health care and most everything to lose. I don't know about the rest of the world, bu

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    34. Re:Democracy Now! by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      National debt as a percent of GDP.

      I really hope we can put the tax-and-spend liberal myth to bed soon. I wholeheartedly support the idea of electing fiscally responsible representatives, and would like to see this happen in practice.

    35. Re:Democracy Now! by numbsafari · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What about his employer's rights? Doesn't CNN have a right to protect their "image"?

      News organizations are CONSTANTLY being attacked because they have a "perceived liberal bias". CNN probably spends a ton of money to fight this image because it takes seriously its need to be "perceived as an independent news organization." This perception affects every part of its business, from gaining interviews, advertisers and viewers.

      This guy goes and posts rather liberal, opinionated diatribes on a regular basis.

      How many stories has CNN run about people losing jobs, internships, etc. because of what they post to their blogs? This guy is either a complete idiot who should be fired because of his total lack of awareness on these issues indicates he's completely out of touch, or he was flagrantly violating his terms of employment (the employee handbook).

      The fact that he coyly says he had "read the handbook" and had even seen the passage in question but "didn't take it seriously" shows that he was in the latter camp: flagrantly violating his terms of employment.

      As has been said elsewhere, his freedom of speech has in no way been violated. If that were the case we wouldn't be having this conversation because he wouldn't have been able to write what he did? His blog wasn't taken off line.

      He lost his job. If he's as good a news person as he claims to be, he'll have a new one in no time.

      Something tells me the way he handled this (flaming CNN on the way out) won't help him in that department.

  20. Remember Peter Arnett by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    CNN and other organisations need to toe the line otherwise they get poor responsiveness from the Pentagon, Whitehouse etc. That's why people like Peter Arnett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Arnett) get fired for doing good investigation.

    The media know that if they don't keep their reporters in line they will get screwed over. Instead of having their field staff embedded with frontline fighters to send back sexy footage they'll get embedded with the people washing trucks at the transport park. Instead of getting geed feedback from WHitehouse/Pentagon/whatever press officers they'll get delayed responses.

    The media know they must keep their noses clean to stay in the game and that's why they'll repremand or fire anyone that looks like a loose cannon and will upset theri relationships with these organisations.

    In the words of the Clash: "You have the right to free speach, unless you actually try it."

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    1. Re:Remember Peter Arnett by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      CNN and other organisations need to toe the line otherwise they get poor responsiveness from the Pentagon, Whitehouse etc. Yes of course and you will also get the same rote and canned answers that have been vetted by PR staff. Nothing really inspirational or newsworthy here. We can get the same from any major news organization. Those who take calculated risks (like in the stock market or any other endeavor) are the ones who will reap the most rewards in the long run.
  21. Oprah Post by StevisF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    His post regarding her and the people who watch her show is extremely inflammatory and derogatory. There's critisism and then there's just ranting in a disrespectful manner. His post was soundly the latter. Not really wise to post something like that under your own name where anyone can read it.

  22. As Opposed To... by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the two douche bags they used to have on staff who carried water for the Bush administration. They didn't fire those guys 'til just about every other media outlet in the world outed them and started poking fun at CNN. One used to report regularly on education, and how effective the "No Child Left Behind" bill was. Then somebody noticed he got a whole whack of money from Bush to do PR work on...you guessed it.

    And then there was Bob Novak, about whom the less said the better. And I'm pretty sure there was somebody else who got caught taking money from people he was supposed to be providing disinterested commentary about, but the name escapes me. One thing's for sure. They have never had a military "expert" on regularly who said anything even mildly critical about the idiots at the Pentagon who seem to be doing such a good job of getting American soldiers unnecessarily killed and maimed.

    It sounds to me like they dumped this guy because he actually seems to know what good journalism is about. On a network that was an unapologetic cheerleader for the Iraq invasion and regularly buries real news stories under an avalanche of shallow, horse-race-style political coverage and pixelized footage of some starlet's crotch, I guess this guy just wasn't a good fit.

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  23. Yes, censorship by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    CNN has a policy that they have to approve anything that is published by their employees. That's prior restraint, also known censorship. It's not illegal, it's not a violation of the first amendment, but it is the definition of censorship. Yes, the employees can choose to quit and then publish whatever they want, but at that point they are no longer employees. As long as they are employees, CNN's position is that they have the right to censor anything they publish.

    Let's assume China has a policy of censoring whatever their citizens publish. Does that mean if a Chinese citizen is able to emigrate to Australia and publish whatever he wants, that China does not practice censorship?

    You are correct that nothing was censored in this case, but the tag is appropriate, as CNN is asserting that their employees must submit to censorship if they want to stay employed.

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  24. Missing the Point by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have read a lot of the comments here saying stuff akin to "Well he broke company policy so he deserved it" but that is not what he is arguing. In fact he doesn't care. The fact that he took his punishment and learned from it is a prime example of Civil Disobedience.

    He elaborates in his well written blog post that the blogging community (which has only been around for maybe half a decade) is going to continue to grow on the internet and overtake the "major" news organizations. If you look at the road-to-entry for television and you compare it to blogging, you know this is true. You're not likely to ever create your own cable television channel but to setup a blog it takes little more then 10 minutes and it will automatically be indexed in search engines without you ever having to try.

    The current major news outlets are only a combination of 5 stations. Blogs on the other hand are a combination of hundreds of thousands. Now that the entry fee into the media (all media) is little more then a browser with an internet connection.

    This alone won't herald any kind of revolution. It will take decades for the internet to penetrate the masses the world over but if recent events with Wikileaks is any indication; the internet at least exposes the absolute truth. Unfortunately, for anyone that puts bread on the table with this industry; this might herald the end of the commercialization of news since keeping it free will be trivial.

    1. Re:Missing the Point by popejeremy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh for God's sake. Every time somebody breaks a rule, somebody else wants to say that it's Civil Disobedience. This is not Civil Disobedience.

      Civil Disobedience is when a party breaks a law knowingly, and advises the authorities about the rule breaking ahead of time in an effort to draw attention to the existence of a bad law.

      This guy didn't break a law. He broke his company's rules. He didn't advise them about it ahead of time. He wasn't trying to highlight a bad rule. All he did was break a rule and get caught.

  25. Re:Published? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think you've made a pretty arbitrary analogy.

    I think posting to Slashdot, even in the comments section, would be considered writing "for an outlet". You've written something and made it public.

    And of course it's about *what* he wrote. People's opinions of him will reflect on the company he writes for for a living, since they may rightfully assume that his bias has had an influence on their content.

    Honestly I think this discussion is going in the direction it is in because we have a generation of people becoming adults after being raised by parents who couldn't say no to them. People have seriously unreasonable expectations of what is owed to them by others. If you think that your last sentence should have influenced a reasonable person to your side in this argument, and not away from it, you're in for a rude awakening when you realize how the real world works.

  26. Excuses, excuses... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forget the "policy" CNN had in place. The upshot is that he wrote or did something someone didn't like and they canned him. They could have warned him, or given him options, but they didn't. That's the telling part. Companies claim their people are valuable assets, but that's just crap. Companies view employees as liabilities to be tolerated only as long as necessary.

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  27. Re:NOT his job by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He wasn't a journalist or a reporter, though. He was a producer who reportedly had no real input into the editorial decisions of the program. Would they have fired a camera operator for this? Secretary? The guy who fills the vending machine outside? You really have to draw the line somewhere.

    • If they had fired a journalist or other person whose job is writing, that would be a very different story, as that would be doing something closely related to your job responsibilities, and the content could thus be technically owned by your employer. Restrictions on outside publishing would then be legally justifiable.
    • If they had fired a reporter for doing this, then the person's face on the blog would tie it back to CNN and there would be legitimate cause for concern.
    • If this guy had talked about working for CNN and blogged about his job responsibilities, there would be a strong tie again.

    As it stands, though, nobody in the outside world had any idea who this guy was until CNN fired him and told the whole world that he used to be the producer for this show. The very act of trying to cover it up turned them immediately into the bad guy from the view of most of the general public, and immediately cast what would otherwise have been a minor annoyance at best into a PR nightmare. There are no words for that sort of stupidity on the part of CNN's management. If I were in charge of CNN, I'd have the resignation of every single person who signed off on that decision on my desk already. The people responsible for sacking the responsible party have been sacked, and all that.

    In my mind, this story just confirms what I've suspected for a while---that CNN is no longer going to even keep up appearances of being an objective news outlet. Anyone with left-leaning opinions need not apply. The whole network is really all about pandering to the Presidential administration in power. With Republicans in the White House, CNN's political coverage is only slightly to the left of Fox News. You can get more balanced reporting by reading Fark. It really saddens me to say that, as just a decade ago, I thought it would be a great place to work. Since then, though, I've watched it go downhill faster than a car with its brakes cut, and at this point, I basically never watch it anymore. That and the whole problem with TV news not paying well enough to attract enough people with the sense to ask the tough questions.... See my rant from a few days ago on that subject....

    For those folks who agree with me, here's what you should do: tell everyone you know not to go to CNN's website on February 29th. Let's send a message to CNN that what they did is wrong. Go spread it on the blogosphere.

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  28. Re:An out-of-the-closet liberal by quag7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh horseshit - there is no greater disservice than people in the news pretending they don't have an opinion. What *that* leads to is crap like Fox News appropriating the laughable "fair and balanced" tagline and playing the "objective" news in a supposed sea of liberal bias.

    I want to know the biases of media types up front - left, right, or corporate (and no, I do not necessarily equate corporate suckups with conservatives). I do not think that having an opinion and stating it has any bearing on news reporting except to suggest that true neutrality is damn near impossible.

    In order to be objective (or as close to it as is possible), reporters and producers need to understand their own biases - more importantly, they need to know the kind of biases which emotionally affect or overwhelm them. In my experience, everyone has an issue or two that drives them completely batshit. Coming to terms with this, and being open about it, is the only hope we have - it is the only way we can have "faith" in (don't like the word) the professionalism of the journalist in question. What makes a quality journalist, in part, is what makes a quality judge - understanding that he is human and fallible, and working on ways to keep that out of his work.

    Journalists are not holy men; they are fallible like anyone else. To the extent that the best among them keep biases they are cognizant of out of news stories, that serves the higher purpose of a quality press. But for us, the viewers, having access to blogs like this allow us to decide for ourselves not only whether the journalist is professional enough to keep his or her opinions out of her reporting, but whether there may be a subconscious at work that we should be wary of.

    Lastly, CNN is tabloid news reporting. Any credibility it once had has steadily evaporated. Like its competitors, it leads with the stuff he mentions - Anna Nicole Smith, Britney's problems, and so forth. CNN is far more impressed with itself than is any member of the public *I've spoken to* who has actually been paying attention.

    Sucking neocon cock, pandering to the dumbest among us - these are all biases I hold in equal contempt. I still think there is a place for professional journalism, and I think it may well rise again. I shudder to think of blogs replacing this (few bloggers, if any, have the time or money to do the kind of traveling, research, and so on, that is important enough to cover a story completely - the medium (the internet) doesn't, obviously, bother me).

    These are the dark ages of journalism, indeed. Let's hope for a renaissance or enlightenment on the horizon. And most of all, I hope no one is stupid enough to be buy the sanctimoniousness of the corporate-run news oligarchy when they suggest (or allow the insinuation to go unchallenged) that this has something to do with a commitment to objectivity and unbiased news. What they don't like, is not having a leash on everyone who works for them, and that leash is necessary to ensure that the stockholders can keep controlling the flow of information.

    Sorry for the long post, but the guy I am responding to is so profoundly *wrong*, I couldn't help myself.

    And don't play like you can speak for the "public," either, you anonymous cockknocker.

  29. Re:NOT his job by name*censored* · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know 16yo camwhores from MySpace that have this much freakin' sense.
    You know 16yo camwhores from MySpace?
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  30. Re:NOT his job by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I used to think like those editors too until I grew up a little and realized that all people have opinions and viewpoints, and it's much easier to be objective about an issue when you recognize and understand your own biases and take them into account rather than pretend the impossible - that you are uninvolved and impartial.

    I remember Bernie Ward of CNN becoming furious at the suggestion that the media and reporters, specifically at CNN had a liberal bias. While I recognize that the accusation was merely part of the dishonest constant right-wing drumbeat and strategy that has driven our right-leaning media totally over the cliff, Ward's reaction was still very telling. He was furious at the suggestion that CNN reporters could be biased, denied the possibility of an bias. Wrong reaction. The proper reaction is to acknowledge that all people have a bias and that objectivity requires admitting and understanding that.

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  31. Controversial by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Funny

    FTFB:>"I didn't make a dime doing it."

    The man's obviously a commie. Can't have a guy like that working on CNN.

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  32. Small correction by FoolsGold · · Score: 2, Informative

    The guy's name is Chez Pazienza, not Paziena.

    Perhaps Slashdot could employ a little professionalism themselves. Oh, who am I kidding! :)

  33. This is a softball by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clearly many employees at CNN blog. Should CNN want to enforce the rules, they by all means can, but they must terminate all employees which can so easily be shown to be in equal violation. But no, they showed their hand when they pointed out that he was being terminated for a particular opinion. That won't pass muster. Employees can't be fired for their opinions on a variety of topics, including religion, race, gender, etc ... surely these op eds wade into a variety of protected speech regions. Once CNN targets speech, they're toast. CNN is in the business of free speech, if they deny their bread and butter to other's their credibility goes down the toilet. - and they lose a lawsuit, silly decision...

    AIK

  34. Re:When does a companies time end by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Insightful
    My personal take is CNN have crossed the line and Chez should take them to task for infringing his constitutional right to "free speech" (does anyone actually respect free speech anymore).

    The constitutional right you refer to doesn't exist. The whole text of the First Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    (from The Bill of Rights)

    Note the first part: Congress shall make no law. That doesn't say anything about what private citizens may do; it just restricts the government. CNN is not compelled to keep paying this guy if they think it's no longer in their best interests to employ him. Whether that's a good idea or not is a different question, but one of the fundamental American rights is the right to be an idiot.
  35. Re:NOT his job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The idea is that it's hard enough to create a story that presents the positions of both sides fairly if you're already on the record as saying, for example, that you wish the President could run for a third term.

    No, the idea is that you don't get the ratings boosting interview with the emperor if you're going around saying he's not wearing any clothes. Hence, everyone goes along with the charade pretending that nothing is out of the ordinary. It wouldn't matter if all that was at stake was the emperor's modesty but, given that it's human lives and human rights that are at stake, the results are more tragic than humorous.

  36. They don't like competition (from people they pay) by nick_davison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe CNN doesn't like the competition scattered independent bloggers are providing to its all-encompassing media empire, and are taking out their anger on one of their own who dared embrace new media? Are there any tech people here who don't have a non compete clause in their contract that says, "You may not use knowledge you gained through your position here for external projects without company approval?"

    This is a news producer, given access at CNN's dime, blogging about it for his own use (and potentially collecting ad revenue too).

    It wouldn't be considered acceptable in any other field. A programmer releasing code to things he was exposed to on the company's time, a record label employee running a celebrity gossip paper, they'd all be facing disciplinary action. Why is a news producer any different?
  37. Hoist by his own petard by toddhisattva · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the job of the press is to maintain an adversarial relationship with the government at all times -the moron we're talking about

    This is crap. It is dog crap: cynicism.

    The guy has admitted he is prejudiced, and proven it beyond a shadow of doubt with his blog.

    Bias can be corrected, but prejudice taints the news enterprise. Write the conclusion, then pick facts that back it up, and ignore the ones that don't. His alleged mind is made up.

    Maybe, just maybe, his dismissal from CNN means they are actually trying to get the opinion out of their news stories.

    They do have opinion shows, but I don't think "American Morning" is supposed to be one of them.
  38. Agreed about PBS by srobert · · Score: 2, Informative

    PBS coverage is excellent. But it used to be that PBS was "viewer supported television", without advertising.
    Now too many PBS shows begin with "was made possible by a grant from Exxon Mobil", or some such corporate giant.
    They're definitely trying to influence the coverage. (Or does that make it sound like I'm wearing a tin-foil hat?)

  39. Invasion by mfh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would Canada want to invade the US? Definitely not for the resources, because there is a resource shortage. Definitely not for the culture because it's largely imported. Definitely not for the land because we have more than we'll ever need. Hollywood celebs? No all of our actors have already taken over that aspect of Hollywood (well the good ones at least).

    Perhaps to impose our Socialist agenda? Well we don't have one anymore so that won't happen.

    No, there is no real reason for Canada to invade. Sorry.

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    1. Re:Invasion by Opie812 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, there is no real reason for Canada to invade.

      Maybe it's like from that old song:

      We'd do it for the nookie.

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  40. Idiots' rights by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 2, Funny

    "but one of the fundamental American rights is the right to be an idiot."

    I'm pretty sure that's the one right that W won't be trying to take from us any time soon.

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  41. Re:NOT his job by gruntled · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The dirty little secret of TV news is that producers are the reporters. The people called reporters on television -- the people you see on camera -- typically stand where they're told, don't do the actual interviews, and oftentimes don't even write their own copy. They're essentially actors.

    I've worked with on air talent who are very involved in the process, and that includes a lot of the folks at CNN. But to say that producers aren't journalists or reporters is incorrect.

  42. Hockey and Molson by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, there is no real reason for Canada to invade. Sorry.

    In these matters, the answer is always, "Hockey and Molson".

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  43. Spread freedom? by Mal-2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why would Canada want to invade the US?


    Maybe to spread freedom? The freedom to download, the freedom to smoke pot... there must be others.

    Could you bring some decent beer and some Tim Horton's coffee when you invade? Thanks!

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  44. try taking back your party by misanthrope101 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The "less government is better" conservatives have been marginalized in your party. The Neocons (who are not conservatives, but visionary crusaders bent on saving the world) have taken over your party. So if we (i.e. everyone else) are going to criticize Republicans, we are going to criticize the Neocons. If you don't like being associated with them, push them out of positions of power in your party.

    As far as "Republicans want to protect the environment," the ones who say they do want to do so by removing the few remaining restrictions on corporate drilling, logging, etc--i.e. their definition of "protecting" means the very opposite of what it means to everyone else. They just changed their language.

    As far as "democrats want to increase government spending even more," I'd have to ask, "even more than whom?" Which alternative? The last Democratic President balanced the budget, and reduced the size of the federal government. The Republicans always talk about how bad government is, but they have no problems with indefinite imprisonment without trial, waterboarding, warrantless wiretapping, and the largest deficit in national history. Republicans supported Bush in all of these, right down the line. So when your party actually has some prominent members who believe in small government, maybe you can wave the small-government flag again. As it was, Ron Paul got about 10% of the Republican polling numbers in his best showing. That's about the extent of the Republican committment to small government.

    The reasonable Republicans don't speak up, so they don't get heard. O'Reilley and Coulter are the voices of your party--if you don't like that, stop buying their books and watching their shows. These people (and the rest like them) are the ones that polarized the political environment to make the population believe that only the far right is "really" Republican, while self-described "moderates" are Republicans In Name Only -- RINOs, as Rush named them. If you want to know why your party looks ridiculous, extremist, and sometimes outright stupid, look within. Even thinking that this perception is a conspiracy by the "liberal media" to make Republicans look bad is signature conservative thinking--the classic persecution fantasy combined with a pseudo-populist conspiracy theory. Don't think I just made this up--read Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics, written in 1964.

  45. Free speech versus the government you fool by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am so tired of people misrepresenting shit like this, you only devalue its original meaning.

    Freedom of Speech is our guarantee that one day should we ever get off our collective asses we can bitch all we want about the government and they cannot do anything about it. Trouble is we are giving it away each year, now we can't bitch if we name a candidate who is incumbent within 30 days of an election... what next?

    Your reply speaks volumes as to why this idiot was fired. Your freedom of speech does not trump your employers rights. Your freedom of speech is guaranteed versus the government, not some other entity. Freedom of speech means accepting responsibility for those words, including being shunned by former friends, hated more by people who oppose your view, or being told to take a hike by a news organization which cannot afford to show bias among its staff.

    Learn to know your rights and you won't be so quick to lose them.

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  46. Are you kidding?!? by wiredog · · Score: 2, Funny
    They want our weather! And the babes that go along with it! Canada has nothing like Key West, or Hermosa Beach! Ever seen an extremely fit woman, in a thong, roller skating on a boardwalk in Canada? I think not! In Hermosa Beach? Heck yeah!

    Of course Canada wants to invade!