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Lessig On Corruption and Reform

Brian Stretch sends us to the National Review for an interview with Stanford professor Lawrence Lessig. Lessig talks about money, politics, money in politics, and his decision not to run for an open seat in Congress. From the interview: "Lessig hates corruption. He hates it so much, in fact, that last year he announced he'd be shifting away from his work on copyright and trademark law... to focus on it... 'One of the biggest targets of reform that we should be thinking about is how to blow up the FCC.'"

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  1. Explosives by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of the biggest targets of reform that we should be thinking about is how to blow up the FCC.

    Why stop at blowing up the FCC?

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    1. Re:Explosives by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Funny

      (err.. and before someone arrests me for that comment, I wasn't being LITERAL)

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    2. Re:Explosives by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes! Let's also blow up the other letters of the alphabet! After that, we target pictograms and heiroglyphics!

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    3. Re:Explosives by johannesg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why blow up a compiler in the first place? I'm assuming 'FCC' is some sort of relation to 'GCC'... I tried "fcc -v" but didn't get any meaningful results though. Maybe it is just not installed on my system?

    4. Re:Explosives by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Why blow up a compiler in the first place? I'm assuming 'FCC' is some sort of relation to 'GCC'...

      Because it is a communist compiler used by hackers who haven't paid for the license. And yes, you are right, it spawns new cells every now and then in a process these enemies of freedom call "proejct forking".

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    5. Re:Explosives by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Parent should have been modded Insightful.

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    6. Re:Explosives by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why blow up a compiler in the first place? I'm assuming 'FCC' is some sort of relation to 'GCC'... I tried "fcc -v" but didn't get any meaningful results though. Maybe it is just not installed on my system? FCC is a special compiler. If you compile the driver for certain wireless networking cards with FCC, it deletes the source code and leaves only a binary behind.
    7. Re:Explosives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:Explosives by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Why do you think he wanted to stop there? Next logical step would be to blow up Rupert Murdoch.....One of the primary corruptors of the FCC....and the politicians who control it.

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  2. I would have moved... by Bartab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... in order to vote for Lessig for Congress. Not that it's a big move, mind you, I live in Oakland.

    It's unfortunate he decided not to run.

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    1. Re:I would have moved... by dido · · Score: 2, Informative

      FTA:

      NRO: Why did you decide not to run for Congress?

      Lessig: The race was a special election being held on April 8. It became clear it was going to be impossible to achieve any recognition of the campaign or the issues in 30 days. The fear was that a failure would be an indictment of the reform movement.

      There may be yet another campaign for Lessig in Congress. More power to him then!

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  3. "Blow up" the FCC? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1, Informative

    Is it just me or isn't he in danger being invited in for a "friendly chat" with the FBI? Remember kids - we live in less innocent times and rhetorical excesses can seriously mess up your day.

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    1. Re:"Blow up" the FCC? by Bartab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's just you. You're a crazy conspiracy nutcase.

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    2. Re:"Blow up" the FCC? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      Maybe not for the 'blow up' comment, but perhaps for his decision to expose corruption within the government.

      That sounds like a dangerous proposition. Kudos to him, though, if he can get anywhere real with it.


      -FL

    3. Re:"Blow up" the FCC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I worked for an ISP that shall remain nameless, the NSA did get some records for some guy who emailed GW.B, before his presidency, mind you, suggesting some creative ways in which he might find an end to his life. Wasn't a big deal, at the time, but once he actually got elected it was a threat on the president's life and it got escalate This was pre-homeland security, mind you, so the paranoia is probably warranted, but only if he's sending copies to the right people. I dun think that some comment on slashdot is going to be enough for record subpoenas.

    4. Re:"Blow up" the FCC? by sgt_doom · · Score: 1, Funny

      Was he the dood who suggested eating that bag of Pretzels? If so, good show, old chap.....

    5. Re:"Blow up" the FCC? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you think I meant, but actually I was alluding to people who've been questioned by the FBI after posting something online that seemed to me to be fairly innocuous if a bit unfortunately phrased. It's not a conspiracy at all - the FBI are presumably under pressure to check out potential threats but they don't have the resources to much more than skim read and they tend to err on the side of caution when they decide who to interview. But the net result is that you may well end up wasting a big chunk of time both your time and their time if you advocate 'blowing up' federal agencies, even if most of your audience can work out from the context that you don't mean it literally.

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  4. FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employers by SpaceWanderer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I thought this was interesting. Found it on Lessig's blog. Basically, FCC employees brown-nose prospective future employers by decreeing public policies that benefits those future employers.

    The wires are sparking with news of the GAO report (pdf) that FCC insiders routinely tipped lobbyists and corporate insiders about agency agenda decisions before they were made public. This is critical, because under agency "sunshine rules," FCC members can't be lobbied for the week between the public announcement of an agenda and the meeting. Knowing what's going to be announced on the agenda in advance thus gives lobbyists and corporate insiders an opportunity to lobby before the sun[shine rules] rise. From the report: FCC generally followed the rulemaking process in the four case studies of completed rulemakings that GAO reviewed, but several stakeholders had access to nonpublic information. Specifically, each of the four rulemakings included steps as required by law and opportunities for public participation. Within the case studies, most ex parte filings complied with FCC rules. However, in the case studies and in discussions with other stakeholders that regularly participate in FCC rulemakings, multiple stakeholders generally knew when the commission scheduled votes on proposed rules well before FCC notified the public. FCC rules prohibit disclosing this information outside of FCC. Other stakeholders said that they cannot learn when rules are scheduled for a vote until FCC releases the public meeting agenda, at which time FCC rules prohibit stakeholders from lobbying FCC. As a result, stakeholders with advance information about which rules are scheduled for a vote would know when it is most effective to lobby FCC, while stakeholders without this information would not. When I commented upon this to a colleague, his response was typical: "What do you expect? And anyway, so what? What's wrong with giving affected parties a bit more time to make their case?" "What's wrong" first is that the rules say otherwise. "What's wrong" second is that the rules are bent in a completely predictable way. Agency insiders curry favor with precisely the people they'll be getting a job with after they leave the FCC. And "what's wrong" third is just what this indicates about the kinds of bending we might expect goes on inside the FCC. If the agency is willing to bend the rules to favor futures employers, are they willing to put the thumb on the scale in difficult contested policy determinations? But my colleague was right about one thing: "What do [I] expect?" Here's an agency chaired by a former lobbyist. Is it likely to be scrupulous about rules meant to constrain or balance the lobbying process? This example is just one many that is our government. (As I'm learning as I work through the extraordinary reading list compiled by my Read-Write readers at the Lessig Wiki on Corruption. But it needs to become a bigger issue for the candidates in this election. Let's hear a promise by the presidential candidates that they will only appoint FCC commissioners who promise not to work for those they have regulated for at least 5 years after their term is over. That would be real change.
  5. You won't get the money out of politics... by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...until you get politics out of money.

    More government control of the economy = more corruption. The more opportunity congress has to pick winners and losers, the more money businessmen are willing to spend to rig the outcome. The more powerful and less accountable a bureaucracy is to voters, the less checks their are to curb corruption. This is why the scandals in the previous French government and the UN oil-for-food scandal dwarf anything that's ever gone on in America. And the trend is to makle those bureaucracies even less accountable to votes (think of the EU's centralizing drive, and how the latest UK Labour government decided it didn't need to let its citizens vote on surrendering sovereignty to the EU after all. The more centralized power, the fewer chances for checks and balances to prevent corruption. And of course the communist bureaucracies of the old Soviet Union were the most corrupt of all, with millions killed while the Nomenklatura lived in luxury.

    As Lord Acton noted, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The larger and more centralized government becomes, the more opportunities for corruption.

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    1. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lessig doesn't really seem to agree with this. He says he knows government is corrupted by money. The Libertarian answer is to reduce the size of government to reduce the amount of corruption, but Lessig somehow thinks that the amount of corruption can be dramatically reduced without taking that step. But he can't explain concretely how.

      His only plan is to get politicians to promise they won't take lobbyist money, and to "abolish earmarks", and to add more campaign finance restrictions. Sorry Larry, but politicians are professional promise-skirters, and I see no reason to believe that them making yet another promise is going to significantly change how the government works at all levels.

      The "abolish earmarks" thing is especially quixotic; you might as well make them promise to stop gerrymandering while you're at it. They'll find another way to do it, and just call it something else, or outright deny that's what they're doing, playing with the word definitions. As for the lobbyist thing, lobbyists have *plenty* of ways to influence politicians besides outright giving them money, and there's not even a way to enumerate all of them, much less make every politician promise to ignore them, and then enforce that promise.

      I don't see any part of Larry's plan that makes me think it's more sensible than the Libertarian point of view. The problem of government corruption is just too complex to confront head-on, and it's okay to admit that. "Special Interests" are ingenious, well-funded, and determined; thinking that they can be outmaneuvered forever is just hubris. There is a simple solution, and we know what it is: the way to *truly* remove corruption from a part of the government is to eliminate that part of the government.

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    2. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Danse · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Libertarian answer is to reduce the size of government to reduce the amount of corruption The problem with the Libertarian answer is that it is vague and largely unworkable due to the current level of corruption. You need to come up with ways to reduce the amount of impact the corrupt officials can have by proposing things that are concrete and easier for people to get behind than something like "reducing the size of government".
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    3. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More government control of the economy = more corruption.

      And yet, those Nordic countries were the state has great control over the economy are also marked by some of the lowest government corruption in the world.

    4. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by jsebrech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your assumption seems to be that it is possible to reduce the size of government. I disagree with this notion. If you reduce the size of democratic government a non-democratic government will arise to replace it. Your example of communist russia is an excellent one. After the collapse of the communist government private enterprise filled up the power vacuum that was left, and focused more on profit than on people. The end result was that people actually overall had it noticeably worse under the weak government model that came after than under the all-encompassing communist model of old.

      I might also mention that no country in the EU has abandoned sovereignty because countries can leave the EU at any time without approval from the other EU member states. The EU is a treaty, not a country. This makes the EU very fragile. If it became a harm to its member countries instead of a benefit, it would dissolve rapidly.

      And by the way, the EU has been very good for my country. Without the EU we would have more pollution, unhealthier food, higher unemployment, severe trade and budget deficits, a devalued coin, higher unemployment, and software patents.

    5. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by jmv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More government control of the economy = more corruption.

      Sorry, I have to disagree on that one. Some of the least corrupt governments in the world happen to be the scandinavian countries, which also happen to be very much on the socialist side. You can also find plenty of the opposite case, i.e. banana republics where the government doesn't control the economy and is very corrupt. I wouldn't go as far as saying that more govt control means less corruption, but I definitely disagree on your simple "more control = more corruption" statement.

      This is why the scandals in the previous French government and the UN oil-for-food scandal dwarf anything that's ever gone on in America.

      I disagree on that one to. All the oil-for-food scandals around the world (not just French, there was AU and probably others) are just dwarfed by the US corruption involved in the Iraq invasion. Starting from Halliburton's ex-CEO supporting the was a vice-president, making up false "evidence" (and screwing up the career of the wife of the guy who exposed that in the process), turning a blind eye on over-billing (Halliburton and others), and all the stuff we haven't heard of yet.

      As Lord Acton noted, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      True, but there are ways to reduce the power of *individuals* while making sure the govt has control on the economy. Just because the US screwed up at that, doesn't mean you have to deregulate everything. What needs to be done is that the power must be distributed. That's the idea behind the US "checks and balance" principles. The only problem is that there's currently an individual who managed to mostly seize most of the powers. That's where the problem is.

    6. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, those Nordic countries were the state has great control over the economy are also marked by some of the lowest government corruption in the world. Because, other than Nokia, they have no economy.
    7. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by bytesex · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean, other than Nokia, oil, hydro, oil, Erikson, Nilfisk, oil, Volvo, oil, Saab, oil, boats, drilling rigs, construction, oil, Ikea, Maersk, oil, and oil, they have no economy ? Sure.

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    8. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by RodgerDodger · · Score: 1

      Lessig acknowledges that the goal is to get to a smaller government; it's even in the article. He pointed out, quite correctly, that the current structure won't get you to a smaller government, and is trying to change the structure.

      As for your "simple solution" - how exactly do you plan to "eliminate that part of the government"? Which seat are you running for again?

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    9. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      The libertarian answer looks good on paper. Neuter the government's power and go from there. The problem is that the politicians will just ignore the new limits on their power, just as they ignore them now. The only people who can hold them accountable, their constituents, won't care enough to throw them out.

      There are a lot of factors working against reform:

      * Politicians gerrymander districts in order to practically guarantee re-election
      * Politicians create arcane ballot access laws and anti-competitive voting systems to keep voter choices limited to the two major parties
      * Voters refuse to hold their representatives accountable for their votes on anything but "meat and potatoes" issues (when was the last time the average voter cast their ballot with patent reform in mind; do you even know your congressman's position on anything other than the main issues?)

      The people are getting the government they deserve. Plain and simple. Politicians aren't making it easy for citizens to vote their conscience, but that's a lame excuse. Alternating between two corrupt parties and consistently voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us to this point. Continuing to do it won't fix anything.

    10. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Lessig acknowledges that the goal is to get to a smaller government
      He practically contradicts himself about this. He says nice things about wanting smaller government, and I want to believe him, but he says other things that don't sound like small government at all. Also, he calls himself a Democrat and unreservedly endorses Barack Obama. Obama is many things, but I wouldn't call him a small-government candidate. A national health insurance plan is not small government. Extending the Universal Service Fund to broadband is not small government. Obama has a "comprehensive plan" for every issue, and they almost all involve expanding programs, creating funds, and "investing" in things, which is the opposite of small government. Don't get me wrong; there are things about Obama I like (technology for open government, foreign policy), and I'm no McCain fan either, but you can't support Obama wholeheartedly and simultaneously be for small government.

      As for what I'm doing about it, I vote. I'm not required to work harder than Lessig to offer my opinion about him on Slashdot, so don't get self-righteous with me. The Libertarian solution is simple in concept and implementation; the only hard part is getting people to see that it's a good idea when they could be voting themselves government handouts instead. As opposed to the big-government solution, which is easy to get people to vote for, but well-nigh impossible to keep from getting unmaintainably complex and corrupted.
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    11. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      And by the way, the EU has been very good for my country. Without the EU we would have more pollution, unhealthier food, higher unemployment, severe trade and budget deficits, a devalued coin, higher unemployment, and software patents. That's ironic. In my country, with the EU we have all those things.

      Although we only have higher unemployment once.

      As for reducing the size of a democratic government, reducing the size does not automatically lead to tyranny. Removing a lot of the bureaucracy around government can be achieved without reducing its democratic credentials. The collapse of the soviet system is a poor example as it was far from democratic to begin with.

    12. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by lastninja · · Score: 2, Informative

      We have other types of corruption, nepotism for example is rampant here in Sweden. Also it should be remembered that the laws that our government passes seldom affects business decisions, they are mostly to control the people. So there is rather small reason to try and bribe anyone. unlike France where the people are relativly free from government control but where business is heavyly regulated.

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    13. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by sgt_doom · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You post is quite excellent, Good Citizen Spy Hunter, but I must take exception with you when you state:

      The problem of government corruption is just too complex to confront head-on, and it's okay to admit that.

      In 1978 two pivotal bills were passed by a heavily "purchased" US Congress. First, the bill allowing corporations, via lobbyists and other methods, to buy off Congress, whereas previously they hadn't been allowed to contribute to political campaigns due to legislation created and successfully lobbied for by President Teddy Roosevelt.

      The second bill, thanks to a bought-off Black Congressional Caucus, gave tax breaks to corporations for laying off American workers and offshoring their jobs - they created and passed this in the name of "diversity" - evidently they considered "diversity" only to apply to foreign Asian workers and not Black American (and other American) workers.

      These bills, especially when examined together, have brought us (along with soooo many other corrupt practices - please see sites below) to where the USA is today.

      Of course, others have influence as well over US elections. Please read this excellent article blog as well as this outstanding blog.

    14. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by lastninja · · Score: 2

      More government control of the economy = more corruption.

      Sorry, I have to disagree on that one. Some of the least corrupt governments in the world happen to be the scandinavian countries, which also happen to be very much on the socialist side. You can also find plenty of the opposite case, i.e. banana republics where the government doesn't control the economy and is very corrupt. I wouldn't go as far as saying that more govt control means less corruption, but I definitely disagree on your simple "more control = more corruption" statement. The Nordic countries have relatively little control over the business side of the economy, for example the telecom industry in Sweden and Finland is the most libertarian in the world(last time I checked Nokia was basically the entire Finnish stock exchange). The government do however have large say over working peoples wallets. Since people have relatively small amounts of money bribing officials are out of the question. Getting permits to build a house can take years, but will go much faster if the official granting them is you dad.

      While the banana republics may have low taxes, (I assume you mean South America) you basically need a permit to go to the toilet, unless you bribe someone ofcourse. Government control of the economy is much more than taxation it is as much about regulation.
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    15. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by smchris · · Score: 1

      Well, that and tourism.

      Being of Norwegian heritage, someday I'll probably waste money on a troll doll -- troll doll, get it?

    16. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by DesScorp · · Score: 1


      "And yet, those Nordic countries were the state has great control over the economy are also marked by some of the lowest government corruption in the world."

      By what standard? What are your references? Links? Something? Or are you just going to pull assertions out of your ass and hope no one checks? If you're going to advocate a government takeover of the economy, at the very least take the time to back up your assertions of why this is such a good idea with proof.

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    17. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by krasmussen · · Score: 4, Informative

      A bit of facts.

      GDP per capita 2007:
      Norway: 47,098
      United States: 44,765
      Iceland: 41,680
      Denmark: 38,438
      Finland: 37,957
      Sweden: 36,687

    18. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, the problem with the Libertarian answers are that, in general, they won't work. As long as the FCC has been mentioned, let's consider the electromagnetic spectrum. In the absence of regulation, everybody will use it as they can, which means that nobody can get good use out of it, due to interference. The reason I can listen to radio stations, for example, is that the FCC hands out licenses, and prevents other people from broadcasting on the same frequency in the same area. The alternative is for radio stations to send out goons to dynamite the competition, and I don't see that as an improvement.

      So, what is the Libertarian alternative to the FCC? Laissez-faire in the air? Pitched battles around antennas? Any peaceful solution that allows decent use of the airwaves is going to need some allocation method and some enforcement method.

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    19. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 1

      ...and the fish slapping indüstri

    20. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by bluesnowmonkey · · Score: 1

      Scandinavian countries are tiny and ethnically homogeneous. The success of semi-socialism there suggests that it might also work for, say, the state of Wisconsin. And honestly, I think it might. But that carries no weight in a discussion of US national politics.

      I don't really know how to get this across to non-Americans properly. We are like 50 countries, with all the implied diversity of race, religion, industry, and thought. We speak the same language, mostly, and that's about it. A Californian easily is as dissimilar from a Louisianian as a German is from a Frenchman.

      When you can make the Nordic model work for the EU, you can use it as an example to show the US how to run its business. My guess is that the EU will be the same cesspool of corruption as the US federal government.

    21. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why the scandals in the previous French government and the UN oil-for-food scandal dwarf anything that's ever gone on in America.

      Excuse me? The USA was complicit in the oil-for-food scandal.

      "There is no question that the bulk of the illicit oil revenues came from the open sale of Iraqi oil to Jordan and to Turkey, and that that was a way of going around the oil-for-food program," he said. "We were fully aware of the bypass and looked the other way."

      -- Senator Carl M. Levin

      Why is it hardly anybody in America is aware of this and thinks of it solely as a UN scandal? Are you guys really that brainwashed by the anti-UN propaganda over there? The USA is in no position to point fingers at others regarding the oil-for-food scandal.

    22. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      >This is why the scandals in the previous French government and the UN oil-for-food scandal dwarf anything that's ever gone on in America.

      Ever hear of The Gulf of Tonkin?

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    23. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by RattFink · · Score: 1

      By what standard? What are your references? Links? Something? Or are you just going to pull assertions out of your ass and hope no one checks? If you're going to advocate a government takeover of the economy, at the very least take the time to back up your assertions of why this is such a good idea with proof. To my knowledge there really is only one group out there doing comparative research of this and their research seems to back him up: CPI Ranking.
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    24. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by RodgerDodger · · Score: 1

      I'm not trying to be self-righteous - I'm just pointing out that eliminating parts of the government that are prone to corruption (your simple solution) is far from simple in practice. Lessig isn't standing on a corner bitching about how government should be wiped out - he's actively trying to push a solution that (in his mind) has a chance of working.

      If the problem was simple, it would have been corrected long ago. It's an extremely complex problem.

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    25. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      Sorry Larry, but politicians are professional promise-skirters, and I see no reason to believe that them making yet another promise is going to significantly change how the government works at all levels.

      You might as well say "Americans are notorious morons, and I see no reason why they wouldn't start voting for principled and uncorrupted politicians." If a Senator takes the Change Congress pledge and then turns his back on it, Larry is introduced a level of accountability for the American public to say "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. Umm. You can't fool me again." If the Change Congress movement gains critical mass such that only uncorrupted politicians can get elected and the elected politicians can be held accountable to stay uncorrupted... then Larry will have succeeded.

      This isn't as much of a political battleground that Lessig has laid out... and is more one where the support of the majority of Americans can pragmatically reform Congress. I, for one, welcome the opportunity to gauge a person's corruptibility in the formula decide whether he is worthy of my vote. As a tried and true open-minded citizen who happens to vote Democrat, I would willingly send votes to Republicans or other parties who offer candidates who take the Change Congress pledge... just because I think it is important that government and business policies should not be as interwined as they are within the current Administration.

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    26. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Libertarians aren't against allocation *or* enforcement a priori. They simply believe that all allocation and enforcement should be done the same way: property rights in a free market. The Libertarian alternative to the FCC would be a free market of property rights to parts of the spectrum, with no regulation governing who can own it or what they can do with it. Right now the FCC sometimes has auctions, but it's a long way from a free market.

      Some people believe that there should be no property rights in the electromagnetic spectrum, and everyone should be free to transmit as they see fit. This attitude stems from a belief that it could work technically; that the spectrum is large enough that there would be no tragedy of the commons. This belief about the (non-)necessity of property rights stems from an opinion about the technical feasibility of ultrawideband communication, not Libertarianism per se. Libertarians would not object to a sensible system of property rights for the spectrum (with enforcement) if one is determined to be necessary or beneficial.

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    27. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So, how do you get the electromagnetic spectrum fairly into private ownership, to start a private free market? We have rules for getting ownership of land: you promise to do something with it, or you kill the guy who lived on it previously, to name two we've used in the not-so-distant past. Once land is in private hands, it can take part in a free market ruled by contact, and we can have the stunningly vibrant economy of the late Roman Republic.

      The electromagnetic spectrum doesn't inherently belong to anybody. It is not possible to physically sit on a frequency and call it yours. Nor is it easily divided: while you can own land with definite boundaries, radio waves do not stop at boundary lines, and yet they don't go indefinitely (at least a lot of frequencies don't). How do you propose to start a private free market?

      Moreover, what is the difference between what you call enforcement being done privately in a free market, and what I call hiring some low-cost goons to dynamite your competitor's transmission equipment? I don't see any semantic or denotational difference, but there is a certain amount of connotational difference. Either the government has the monopoly of certain force, or it doesn't. You might want to consider the implications of the latter.

      G.K. Chesterton described Utopian literature as fiction that assumes each will be content with his share, and debates whether to deliver it by balloon or motor-car. That is an excellent description of the sort of thinking behind Marxism and Libertarianism.

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    28. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      We have rules for getting ownership of land
      And how do you think those rules came about? There was a time when there was lots of land in the West that *nobody* owned (well it belonged to the Indians but that was ignored), and it was not at all obvious how to go about assigning ownership. Conventions were established, laws were made and eventually it was all allocated. The situation with the spectrum is *easier*, because the spectrum is already allocated; owners already assigned. The current allocations can serve as a starting point.

      Obviously there must be a *lot* of rules regarding how a market could be started, the nature of the property rights involved, and so forth. I don't think I'm qualified to come up with a complete set of rules right now, but I hardly think it is impossible to do.

      I think you misunderstand me when I say "enforcement". I don't mean that private "security" firms would be hired to bust people's kneecaps in a might-makes-right free-for-all. You are confusing Libertarianism with anarchy, perhaps. I'm not promoting anarchy here. There would be a spectrum property rights enforcement department of the government; perhaps it would become another duty of the police. It *is* one of the few responsibilities of the government to enforce property rights so that markets can function properly. Perhaps a really radical Libertarian would disagree, but that's not me.
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    29. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To my knowledge there really is only one group out there doing comparative research of this and their research seems to back him up: CPI Ranking. Feh! They're as corrupt as the Nordic governments!
    30. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I gave you examples of how land ownership was assigned: shoot the natives and/or promise to do something with it. We seem to be in agreement on that.

      It doesn't work for the spectrum. Owners have been assigned through an apparently corrupt process that doesn't particularly resemble a market, according to an earlier post - and the process wasn't intended to establish ownership in the first place. Assigning anybody ownership of frequencies they are permitted to use would establish injustice from the start. Moreover, we still have the problem of geography in the ownership of a frequency. Different frequencies interfere at different distances, and in some cases interfere differently between day and night.

      If you're unqualified to come up with the rules, and I'm puzzled about how the rules could work, then it's a reasonable presumption that there might not be workable rules.

      And, yes, I did misunderstand your take on law enforcement. My apologies; I've dealt with more radical Libertarians, and they tend to believe in private law enforcement. My impression is that these people have got to be good people to do business with, since they obviously lack any capacity to understand the sort of cheats people come up with.

      And, yes, we have considerably different opinions on the proper role of the government. I would suggest looking at historical cases of economic laissez-faire, and realistically asking yourself if they promote the sort of society you want to live in.

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    31. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The initial allocation of spectrum doesn't have to be *perfectly* just for the market to be beneficial in the long run. We can do our best to start fairly; we can have auctions, etc. There will be winners; there will be losers; but the important thing is to get the market established, so that it can work going *forward*. Saying we shouldn't have a market at all because we can't guarantee total fairness of the initial conditions is not a good argument.

      Besides, nobody is in a position to be screwed as badly as the Indians were; nobody is living in this spectrum and nobody's going to get killed. The entities with the most to lose are the huge telecommunications corporations with billions invested in infrastructure, but nobody is proposing that their spectrum be taken away during the transition. I just don't see any disasters resulting from a transition to a free market; certainly nothing on the scale of what happened to the Indians; the benefits far outweigh the startup costs.

      Moreover, we still have the problem of geography in the ownership of a frequency.
      These problems aren't unique to a free market system. They exist in the system we have today and have been mostly solved to the satisfaction of the current spectrum users. There are disputes, but the system of enforcement works today. The system we have now resembles ownership in some important ways and should be a starting point for any market system we would establish.

      I would suggest looking at historical cases of economic laissez-faire
      Any specific examples in mind?
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    32. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Everyone's heard it all before. The Nordic countries are a paradise. We know.

      Please consider just moving to one of those countries and spare the rest of us the one-sided, rose-colored analysis of why the US needs to give up everything unique about ourselves and our culture and our lifestyle and change to be exactly like Sweden and Norway. Thanks.

      Aside from that, what's your point? That there's a counter-example to the argument? So what? It's true except in the Nordic countries then. Since the US isn't one of those Nordic countries, it still seems like a useful rule.

      BTW: I disagree with some of Lessig's ideas. The problem isn't that everyone's lives and choices are controlled by bad people and they should be controlled by good people instead. Rather, people should be free to live their own lives and make their own choices.

    33. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by Kohath · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you reduce the size of democratic government a non-democratic government will arise to replace it.

      Therefore, all governments have always been exactly the same size.

    34. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by -noefordeg- · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have no economy?
      What does that mean?

      My Norwegian 100 kroner bill, which is in my pocket right now, have for the past few years increased 50% in value compared to the USD. The reason for this is the lack of Norwegian economy?

    35. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by lareader · · Score: 1

      I would guess that one example would be the privatization of Russia - economic laissez-faire on a grand scale.

      An interesting experiment, with some very valuable lessons in it (but aren't history filled with those?).

    36. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by 2901 · · Score: 1

      I guess some-one needs to tell Americans that the EU is already a cesspool of corruption. You have only to check the audited accounts to see this for yourselft. No, wait, there are no audited accounts, the EU's court of auditors always refuses to sign off the accounts because too much money is leaking out unaccounted for.

    37. Re:You won't get the money out of politics... by cyberphotographer · · Score: 1

      The EU is a treaty, not a country. This makes the EU very fragile. If it became a harm to its member countries instead of a benefit, it would dissolve rapidly. How do you know it hasn't been a harm to its members? Each year the Commission spends billions of dollars of tax payer's money on advertising itself to its own electorate. We literally pay it to tell us how great it is. Meanwhile, how much is spent on finding out whether life might be better without this gargantuan socialist bureaucracy which legislates on the size of carrots? We don't have an alternative NATO-protected Europe against which to measure our progress. We do have people being prosecuted for selling fruit by the pound. The EU claims most of NATO's achievements for its own, but it was NATO, whose most important member is the US, that saved us Europeans from Stalinism.
  6. Why not run it? by HaeMaker · · Score: 1

    If he is in with Obama, and Obama becomes president, perhaps Lessig can win an appointment as Chairman of the FCC.

    1. Re:Why not run it? by Bartab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you under some delusion that the Democrats don't like the FCC?

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    2. Re:Why not run it? by jay-za · · Score: 0

      Like Obama, Lessig is still relatively young. I think this will actually work to his advantage if Obama wins. Obama and Lessig are both young, intelligent and have pretty radical ideas on fixing the US.

      For those who recognise the name but don't know where from, Lessig is the "founder and CEO of the Creative Commons and a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and of the Software Freedom Law Center, launched in February 2005. He is best known as a proponent of reduced legal restrictions on copyright, trademark and radio frequency spectrum, particularly in technology applications." (From his wikipedia entry)

    3. Re:Why not run it? by HaeMaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obama sought out Lessig for his technology policy! If Lessig gives him a reasonable road map to implement the FCC-related portions of the technology plan, he can easily get an appointment, and there is NOW WAY the democratic congress is going to reject his appointment...unless his nanny is an illegal immigrant.

    4. Re:Why not run it? by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just out of curiosity, what are Obama's "radical" ideas on fixing the US?

    5. Re:Why not run it? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Is that a rhetorical question?

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    6. Re:Why not run it? by radimvice · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I'm pretty sure he just means "radical" in a "not politics as usual" sense, not in a Slashdot crowd sense. ...unless he's a surfer, or a ninja turtle...in which case he should definitely be modded up.

    7. Re:Why not run it? by ConcreteJungle · · Score: 1

      First look I read the title as 'Why not ruin it' :)

    8. Re:Why not run it? by blowdart · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a subject of Her Majesty the Queen I've been watching the US race with some interest (and lots of spam from idiot US activists, thanks guys). I must admit to liking Obama not for any real reason, but because his slogan "Yes we can" is in fact a very British phrase taken from one of our most popular entertainers, Bob the Builder. Who would have thought the slogan from a pre-school edu-tainment star would reach the heady heights of US political office?

    9. Re:Why not run it? by jay-za · · Score: 0

      Radical as in "thoroughgoing or extreme, esp. as regards change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical change in the policy of a company.; favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms: radical ideas; radical and anarchistic ideologues.

      If you don't like radical, substitute drastic or extreme. Fromwhat he's said he's prepared to take actions that no other US president hasa publicly considered before.

    10. Re:Why not run it? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      it does not matter who gets to be president, the US federal government is going to continue doing what it does best = fleecing america for all they can get out of it...

      it is the nature of government & people in power to usurp more power at the expense of the freedoms & liberties of its nation's citizens...

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    11. Re:Why not run it? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      You would think that GWB would be the one to know all the pre-school targeted claymation catchphrases. I could see him stealing one of the cookie monster's lines, for instance. (yes, I know that's not a claymation one)

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    12. Re:Why not run it? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Replying instead of moderating: I think it shows a cunning understanding of the target market, actually. My brother has kids, they watch Bob the Builder all the time so I'm sure both he and his wife hear the phrase a lot; for a politician to then use it, well it makes them subconsciously think "this is something similar" and we like similar things. (Unless of course the parents are sick of the show...)

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    13. Re:Why not run it? by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just out of curiosity, what are Obama's "radical" ideas on fixing the US? CHANGE.

      That didn't convince you? Okay, let's whip out the biggie:

      HOPE.

      See? Lord Obama has answered all of your questions! Praise Obama!
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    14. Re:Why not run it? by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      If you don't like radical, substitute drastic or extreme. Fromwhat he's said he's prepared to take actions that no other US president hasa publicly considered before. I think you must have misread my post. I didn't ask what the definition of a word was. I asked what his "radical" ideas were? That is, which of his ideas are "radical." So far you've been about as specific as Mr Obama in specifying them :-)
    15. Re:Why not run it? by swillden · · Score: 1

      From what he's said he's prepared to take actions that no other US president has publicly considered before.

      F'rinstance?

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    16. Re:Why not run it? by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      ...and a deafening silence from Obama Fan. If this election cycle shows anything, it's that demagoguery and willful ignorance by political fanboys is not limited to any one side of the spectrum...

  7. Waterboard! by agent · · Score: 0

    Label them terrorist, and do what ever the fuck you want to them.

  8. Re:This is goat5Ex by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Wow, that link is so distended, I cringe imagining what image it links to....

    Is this some sophisticated form of meta-goatse?

  9. I would subscribe to his newsletter by rsax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What a coincidence, I just watched Pirate Radio USA, a documentary which contains all these fun facts about the FCC and big business.

  10. Re:FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employer by Danse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Basically, FCC employees brown-nose prospective future employers by decreeing public policies that benefits those future employers. So it's just like Congress, or any number of other government agencies.
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  11. Careful there Larry by eclectro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many a nerd who happens to read your blog got their ham license through the FCC and talked with the world *before* there was an internet. Or even computers. Many of us built computers from schematics that showed up in the early magazines and interfaced them to radios. We were making phone calls with radios *before* there was cell phones. Countless hams worked in the electronics industry, and worked in companies that brought forth many of the innovations we use today. A ham radio license, which was hard-eanred (most of us automatically decode all that mosrse code when it shows up on TV :D), is and continues to be a cherished part of many peoples lives. And was the beginning of many careers in technology and science.

    While the FCC has many flaws, be careful to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. While I mention ham licenses, they do have a place in technical matters as well.

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    1. Re:Careful there Larry by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      While the FCC has many flaws, be careful to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. While I mention ham licenses, they do have a place in technical matters as well. I'm a ham myself, and I tend to think the baby is not much better than the bath water. All the "technical matters" I've had assistance with came from other technophiles. The fact that a few of them were affiliated with the FCC was secondary. They were associated with the FCC because they were hams, not the other way around.
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    2. Re:Careful there Larry by bluesnowmonkey · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that the license or the licensing process is what got those people into the field of ham radio? What's so great about the license that people cherish it? If you just like getting a certificate for overcoming a challenge, I'm sure I can print something up for you. I fail to see how the FCC helped the ham radio industry flourish.

    3. Re:Careful there Larry by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Its elitism. "We have a license and you dont." It sounds like he truly loves the FCC. Its like people who went to elitist universities and how their schools and degrees as suddenly making them better than everyone else. I hate this kind of thing. Its just a license. Its just a degree. Nothing more.

    4. Re:Careful there Larry by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that they are perfect, and that they could do better in many areas. But the fact is that we can't have everybody jamming the airwaves with their own transmitters and equipment. If there wasn't a minimum of compliance, you would have interference all over the place. People recognized this problem 80 years ago, and why there was the communications act of 1934. As a ham, you should recognize this.

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    5. Re:Careful there Larry by eclectro · · Score: 1

      You know, I'm really tired of the "it's elitism" BS that is spread accross the internet. The fact that it is spewed forth so much has removed any currency it may have had, and this is an example.
      The reason being, *anybody* can get ham license. You don't even need to know morse code anymore. Just good technical knowledge, which you can gather by any means you desire.
      Saying a ham radio license is "elitism" is just as stupid as saying that "high school" is "elitism," because they give out a degree.
      Harvard and Yale is elitism. Getting an electricians, plumbers, or ham radio license is not. Neither is a degree from the local community college. You really need to straighten your perspective out on this, as much of our society works by garnering qualifications and improving one's life. There is nothing wrong with that.

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    6. Re:Careful there Larry by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I can print something up for you. In case you didn't know, that's what is called a diploma mill

      I fail to see how the FCC helped the ham radio industry flourish. Because you do not know your history. Start with the Communications Act. The fact that it was a political decision might mean that it was not the best, but at the same time ham radio did not originate from a vacuum.

      What's so great about the license that people cherish it? Are you a teenager?? Because you must not remember a time when there was no internet, computers, semiconductors even. I cherish the contacts that I made accross the world in a time it was not possible by any other means. Now that there is an internet, everyone takes this for granted like clean drinking water. But I find myself, being away from the radio for some time, returning to it. I realize that I had acquaintances that knew how to be polite with each other working torwards common technical goals. As compared to the abrasiveness and rudeness that the internet seems to bring forth so readily today. Frankly, I'd rather have the former as friends.

      Are you suggesting that the license or the licensing process is what got those people into the field of ham radio? Yes, I am. Otherwise you would be operating a transmitter illegally (unless you were a CB'er, but even they required a license in the early days). Other than that, you were just an electronic hobbyist. Not everyone was a ham, but for many of those that were, it really was a door unto the world. I guess you would have to have be there to appreciate it, as maybe everyone with an internet connection now can't. Nowadays, there are many ways that you can operate a transmitter legally (e.g. part 15 or CB) without a license. But, as I have realized, it simply does not have the same community that ham radio does.

      As I said, there really is no reason for somebody not to get a ham license if they so desire. There is no morse code requirement, so that's not an excuse anymore. Other than not being interested in radio technology that is.

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  12. It's all in the wording by JavaRob · · Score: 1

    (err.. and before someone arrests me for that comment, I wasn't being LITERAL) Don't worry -- you were merely asking "why stop" at blowing up the FCC -- you certainly weren't advocating any violence (or indeed, even implying that you personally would act to bring about any such violence).

    I, too, would not advocate violence against the executive branch of our government, however much they theoretically may deserve to be throttled in their sleep, and however enjoyable that imaginary act could be.

    No, we must follow the laws, which exist for very good reason, as any feasible assassination plot will undoubtedly be announced in clear terms beforehand by the assassin.

    Unlike this roundabout verbiage, for instance, which merely discusses the subject with some relish, much as I am doing.
    1. Re:It's all in the wording by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      An excellent read. I particularly like the part that references today's fictional law enforcement stock characters who can give nice, patriotic, savage beatings these days and still be considered heroic.

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  13. For the benefit of the non-US part of the audience by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

    Please could someone explain what Lessig means by an 'earmark' in the article?

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  14. Wow! by denalione · · Score: 1

    A link to National Review. The collective head of slashdot just might explode.

    1. Re:Wow! by svallarian · · Score: 1

      Well buckley is dead, so maybe the mag will swing the other way now.

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  15. Re:For the benefit of the non-US part of the audie by RodgerDodger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An earmark is this crazy system the Americans have for tacking supplementary pieces of legislation in. For example - let's say there's this important piece of legislation for, say, feeding starving babies. It's bound to get through - no question. So some congresscritter from Alaska says "I'll vote for this, but I'm adding this clause where we also give $500million to build a bridge in Florida". If the bill passes, so does the addition - the earmark.

    It's a tad more complicated than that, but that's the general gist; US politicans can append stuff to legislation (in some cases, after it's already been voted on!) and there is no easy way to get it taken out, but the bill is still needed, so the whole tainted package gets through.

    How the US ever came up with such a wacky system I don't know...

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  16. All Politics is Local by OakLEE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've worked, studied, and basically lived in current political system for nearly 6 years, and in my opinion, its FUBAR, or close enough at any rate.

    The biggest problem is that our current system was not built to handle vast government bureaucracy that has cropped up since WWII. Now look, before any liberals get pissy, I'm not a Paul-tard, and I'm not saying that government should only build roads, delivery mail, and fund a military.

    That said, fundamentally, the U.S. form of representative democracy was built to do just that. It was meant to keep politics as the local and state level, while the current political discourse in this country has increasingly grown more national. Take the legislative bodies in the states and Congress for example. All of them are based on the idea of direct representation. A state legislator or House Member's role is to keep his or her constituents happy. If not, he gets the boot. And at the state senate and US Senate level (the latter especially after the 17th Amendment), the scope expands to a broader constituency, but the goal stays the same.

    This structure creates an incentive and drive to keep the locals happy regardless of what the greater national interest might suggest. Now, that drive worked perfectly fine as long as the government had very little cash to dole out. Back in the 19th Century, the most a legislator could do was maybe bring some funding back for a new post office, roads, or at most a military installation. Government, especially at the federal level, did little else. Even education was rarely handled at the state level. There was very little money in government, and thus very little to try to corrupt. And when corruption did occur, it was on a much smaller (monetary) scale. (Hell even the land scandals with the railroad companies, while extremely bad, didn't really cost the government any money.)

    Now, fast forward to the current situation where federal spending over the last 50 years has been at least 20% of the GDP, and where it is now accepted and expected that government's role is to dole that money out to someone, whether it be corporations through subsidies and contracts, the poor through welfare, students through college grants and loans, schools through grants and funds, the elderly through social security, the sick through medicare, deficit-inducing tax-cuts for taxpayers, and on and on.

    With the current system, legislatures' are lured to keep the local folks happy by offering them a greater and greater share of the pie. They try to squeeze a nickel here, a dime there and before you know it, they've nickel and dimed their way into a quarter-trillion (or whatever it is now) dollar budget deficit. Look at Iraq, look at Social Security, look at the prescription drug benefit, look at no child left behind. All of these are just short term rackets run to please voters without any regard for any long-term damage they might be causing (i.e., inflation, debt, higher tax rates).

    It's the reason why the Democrats spent their way into deficits while they were in power in the 60s. It's the reason why Republicans did the exact same when they took power in the 00s. It's the exact same reason why we'll still be running a deficit 4 years from now regardless of who wins this next election. (In case you can't tell, my pet peeve is deficits.) It's the culture of pork-barreled politics, and the principle behind it ("bringing home the bacon") leads our governments--state, local, and federal--to writing checks that our society cannot cash.

    You know, it's not even really corruption per se. It's just the way the system was set up, and its probably functioning the way the Founding Fathers intended it. They just probably didn't intend for it to go beyond post offices, roads, and the military. All politics is local. Perhaps that is a maxim we (the U.S.) as a country need to rethink.

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    1. Re:All Politics is Local by theonlyaether · · Score: 1

      Mod parent insightful!
      As an aside, I'm still totally confused as to what we think the president is supposed to do and how much power he/she should have. I'm still pretty sure that a constant state of war is needed for the president to exercise any reasonable level of power outside a fairly limited constitutional job description. Still not sure if that's why we're always at war, however...

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    2. Re:All Politics is Local by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 1

      Well said. Anyone who tries to challenge the pork barrel tendencies gets run out of town eventually. Gingrich did. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), who takes fighting earmark abuse seriously, got snubbed for an open seat on the House Appropriations Committee by the Republican leadership despite tremendous grassroots support.

      Another problem with overcentralized government: it makes expanding the nation difficult. Annexing Mexico would be a neat way of solving much of America's illegal immigration problem (about 1/3rd of Mexico's workforce is already here and there's a substantial American expat community down there), if majorities on both sides of the border voted for it, but it'd be a nightmare to integrate all those people into our top-heavy federal system. Plus inflicting the 1040 and the rest of the federal tax code on 100M+ more people may qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.

    3. Re:All Politics is Local by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Thank the gods, Good Citizen OakLEE, finally someone who has read and understood Thomas Jefferson.....

    4. Re:All Politics is Local by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ummmm, yes and no.

      Yes, the US govt has grown immensely since WW2.

      However, the deficits have bloomed out of control due to inadequate taxation on the rich, which began during the Reagan Administration. Presently, the highest incomes actually pay less (percentage wise) than middle income earners. Bush's tax reductions on the rich only exacerbated the problem, and that is why the USA is staring at 1/3 to 1/2 trillion dollar deficits forever.

      What we have seen over the past 100 years is the development of the American Empire. Empires are expensive to maintain and inevitably collapse under their own weight of corruption and mismanagement. That's what we are seeing now, is the dismantling of the American Empire - the abandonment of the unipolar for the multipolar geopolitic. It will take at least a few decades. The USA will be forced to retire as a global hegemon and take on a role as a regional hegemon (dominating North and South America) while China dominates East Asia, India South Asia, and Russia does a peculiar dance with a EU. Africa becomes a free-for-all exploitation zone.

      We're about to start skidding down the back end of the energy curve, and that will make global empires obsolete, if not impossible. The USA was the last of that genre.

      I think the USA is beset by a number of problems. Corruption is certainly one of them, but a lazy and wilfully ignorant populace I would rank as an even greater problem. If people were more engaged and better educated in critical thinking skills, I don't think the USA would be quite the slow motion train wreck it has become.

      RS

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    5. Re:All Politics is Local by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Your analysis of deficits is overly simplistic. Under Clinton, the size of the federal government declined slightly, and the budget was far more in balance. (Some sort of force majeure preventing the Feds from using smoke and mirrors to balance the budget would be nice, of course.) When I was younger, the Democrats were the big-spending party. Since 1980, it's been the Republicans. There's always been some group pushing for smaller government and more nearly balanced budgets.

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    6. Re:All Politics is Local by Kohath · · Score: 1

      (In case you can't tell, my pet peeve is deficits.)

      Why? You never said what was wrong with deficits.

      Deficits at a small percentage of GDP are no particular problem. See the graphs on the whitehouse budget page.

      If the total debt as a percentage of GDP is flat, then it isn't a problem for the future -- no more than it is a problem for the present, at least.

      Deficits are a problem, but they aren't a bigger problem than taxes or spending. The deficit as a "ticking time bomb" is yet another false scare. Folks who think of themselves as responsible folks don't like financing government with debt. But responsible folks need to be responsible to reality, not to unjustifiable alarmism.

    7. Re:All Politics is Local by Kohath · · Score: 1

      ...that is why the USA is staring at 1/3 to 1/2 trillion dollar deficits forever.

      Forever apparently doesn't include 2006 when the deficit was $0.248 trillion.

    8. Re:All Politics is Local by ticktickboom · · Score: 0

      deficit is something. but if you look at all the years running, theres only been 2 or 3 that do not deficit spend. atleast since 1911, the first year income tax happened. 1910 is when the US congress gave a 99 year charter to the federal reserve, a brand new bank atthe time. my question is why havent i heard anything about this on the news? whos the next charter going to, happens next year.

      you also missed the devalueation of the dollarr since 1911. from 1776-1910 there was no inflation. there was a silver standard. then the FED came along. it started loaning out alot more money than it had. todays dollar is worth 1 penny (orless) of 1910's dollar. so how could we as a nation go through 2000 years of no inflation, to this? money almost worthless.

      theres more to the debt than jsut spendin more than ya make, gotta look atthe accountants..

  17. Re:FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employer by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This only means that your congress and other government agencies are also bad, it doesn't make FCC practice okay and sure as hell doesn't constitute a reason to stop improving things.

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  18. Vague?!? Surely you jest. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Libertarian philosophy is anything but "vague". In fact, Libertarianism is the most well-defined and internally consistent political philosophy I've ever heard, which is probably why I like it, as a computer scientist. It's so clear cut that you can actually apply the core philosophy directly to voting decisions and get an unambiguous answer in many cases, which is not something you can say of conservatism or liberalism.

    As an example, let me run down some of the items on Barack Obama's issue pages (since I just happened to be reading them) and tell you the Libertarian answer to each point, off the top of my head:
    • Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Libertarians are for tax cuts; they reduce the size of government.
    • Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Reducing the complexity of the tax code is good, as it would tend to reduce the size of government, though Libertarians would prefer to eliminate the income tax and thus the need for individual tax filings.
    • Fight for Fair Trade: Free trade is good, but Obama proposes using trade deals to enforce our rules on other countries and protect our jobs from foreign competition. Libertarians are against this and for completely free trade.
    • Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama wants to "fix" NAFTA, and I don't know what that means but it sounds like protectionism, which Libertarians are against.
    • Improve Transition Assistance: Obama wants the government to pay to retrain workers. This increases the size of government so Libertarians are against it.
    • Support Job Creation: Obama wants to double spending on research and education. This increases the size of government so Libertarians are against it, believing that it will produce corruption and waste; a free market can do a better job of allocating those resources than fickle politicians can, without the corruption and waste.
    • Invest in U.S. Manufacturing: More spending; bigger government; Libertarians say no.
    • Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: Again, Spending. Bigger government. No.
    • Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: Spending. Bigger government. No.
    • Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Spending. Bigger government. No.
    • Protect the Openness of the Internet: Libertarians believe that the Internet should not be regulated.
    • Invest in Rural Areas: Spending. Bigger government. No.
    I could go on, but as you can see, the Libertarian viewpoint is very well-defined, and not at all vague. As for whether it's "unworkable" or whether people can "get behind" it, well, that's debatable. But vague is the one thing it's certainly not.
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    1. Re:Vague?!? Surely you jest. by shark+swooner · · Score: 1

      Libertarianism's answers are often simple, but their justification of these answers very often uses vague a priori logic. For example, libertarians say that we shouldn't regulate against monopoly, because monopolies are actually always caused by government intervention... somehow or other. Or, we should legalize competing currencies, as the US monetary system is going to collapse... any day now.

    2. Re:Vague?!? Surely you jest. by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Libertarianism's answers are often simple, but their justification of these answers very often uses vague a priori logic.

      That may be the case, but you failed to provide any evidence for the assertion.

      For example, libertarians say that we shouldn't regulate against monopoly, because monopolies are actually always caused by government intervention... somehow or other.

      Did the Libertarian article you were reading on this topic actually fail to say how the monopolies are caused by government intervention? Or did you just stop reading? Taking the example of the monopoly most often discussed on /., Microsoft's business model is entirely dependent upon copyright, patent and trademark law. Without government support, Microsoft wouldn't exist.

      Or, we should legalize competing currencies, as the US monetary system is going to collapse... any day now.

      Libertarians wouldn't say we should legalize competing currencies because the US monetary system is going to collapse. They'd say we should legalize competing currencies because that maximizes individual liberty -- people and organizations should have the option to issue their own currency if they want to, and other people should have the right to choose whether or not they want to use it.

      As the GP said -- whether or not Libertarianism is workable is a question worthy of debate, but the philosophy is built on such simple, easy-to-apply axioms that it most definitely is not vague, and if the logic appears "a priori", that's probably because the speaker assumes it's well-understood and therefore doesn't need to be explained.

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    3. Re:Vague?!? Surely you jest. by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      [T]he Libertarian viewpoint is very well-defined, and not at all vague. As for whether it's "unworkable" or whether people can "get behind" it, well, that's debatable.

      There's the crux. Libertarianism is a straightforward, clear-cut political philosophy that often serves the interests of vastly powerful non-governmental collectives that would (and increasingly do) limit individual freedoms far more effectively than do governments, without even the flimsy protection offered by voting rights.

      Nihilism is also straightforward, easy to apply, and internally consistent, but what matters is whether something's right. Occam's Razor should shave only needless complexity.

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  19. Re:FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employer by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Let's hear a promise by the presidential candidates that they will only appoint FCC commissioners who promise not to work for those they have regulated for at least 5 years after their term is over. That would be real change.

    Promises mean nothing. That kind of behavior is probably already illegal (and if it isn't, it should be made so) with the Feds given to understand that prosecuting those who break those laws are a priority.

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  20. What made the government grow by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    Back in the 19th Century, the most a legislator could do was maybe bring some funding back for a new post office, roads, or at most a military installation. Government, especially at the federal level, did little else.

    You have just described a government that is wholly absorbed in building a national infrastructure.

    If your constituents lived on the Atlantic or Gulf coasts, the Great Lakes, they wanted a lighthouse, a customs station, a ship canal. "Internal improvements" as they called it in those days.

    This was never a penny-ante operation.

    The federal government was employing 14,000 postal workers as early as 1841.

    What made the government grow

  21. The Devil you know ... by redelm · · Score: 1
    The American system of candidates doing their own fund-raising does give plenty of opportunity for corruption in strong or weaker forms. But it also gives the legislators considerable independence from their parties and better able to represent their constituents (and contributors).

    AFAIK, The US and Japan (India?) are the only major countries with independant legislators. Each vote on each issue must be won, one-by-one. All others are entirely behelden to their parties and eminently whippable. Especially the UK, where the sight of Tony Blair putting down three separate revolts over Iraq from Labour (traditionally anti-war and anti-US) back-benchers was truly awe-inspiring.

    "Campaign finance reform", as lofty as it sounds likely would have the effect of making the party apparatus more powerful relative to the candidates. That would weaken an important check-and-balance and move further towards an elected dictatorship.

  22. Re:For the benefit of the non-US part of the audie by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The US came up with such a wacky system because it works to the benefit of the people who make the system. It makes it much easier for a congresscritter to funnel money into his or her district.

    The necessary and sufficient condition to stop this is for the US people to change priorities slightly. If a senator running on a platform of cutting $50 billion of waste from the budget can beat one running on a platform of bringing $1 billion extra into the state by any means necessary, the earmarks will mostly go away. As long as the voters prefer the idea of bringing money into the district, rather than (which would be better for almost everybody) cutting large amounts of waste, the earmarks will be politically valuable and the earmarks will stay.

    In this particular case, the US public gets exactly the government it deserves.

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  23. My Campaign Finance Reform Plan by scruffy · · Score: 1

    Allocate so many money to each viable candidate.

    Each candidate can choose government financing or private financing.

    Private financing can come from any source, but must be disclosed.

    If a privately financed candidate goes over the limit, matching money will be allocated to government financed candidates.

    Advantages: No candidate can outspend another. No one has their free speech or their spending on free speech restricted (except by voluntarily accepting government financing).

    Disadvantages: It will cost more money to finance elections, but this is likely offset by less money spent on "kickbacks". Also, there are obviously many details to work out.

  24. Corruption? Where is corruption? by hackingbear · · Score: 2

    I'm a citizen of the USA and after I lived in China for a few year between 2003-06, I made this observation:

    In China, corruption is widespread but mostly illegal (and people complaint about it rather loudly.)

    In the US, corruption is not as widely spread but it is mostly legal because it has morphed into "political contribution" and "job opportunity" (and few people complaint about it -- hey, we vote this government -- we are democratic -- how can corruption happen in a democratic system.)

  25. How to prohibit gerrymandering objectively by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you might as well make them promise to stop gerrymandering while you're at it.

    I can think of an objective way to make gerrymandering more difficult. Measure the land area and perimeter of each electoral district. From the perimeter, compute the "ideal area" as the area of a square with the same perimeter, that is, the square of one-fourth the perimeter. Then for each district, compute the land area as a fraction of the ideal area, and require each district to have at least a specified fraction.

    After I typed that out, I looked up gerrymandering on Wikipedia, and I found that someone had already explained such a system, calling it "isoperimetric". Wikipedia lists another method that uses the area of a district's convex hull as the ideal area.

  26. Telecom easements under libertarianism? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Spending. Bigger government. No. Would libertarians give non-subscribers the right to prohibit providers of last-mile telecommunications from stringing wires under or over their land?
    1. Re:Telecom easements under libertarianism? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Yes. Libertarians are for strong individual property rights. If telecom providers wanted to string wires, they would have to get approval from individual property owners. There would be no exclusive "franchise" deals. "Ideal" libertarianism would do the same for roads and utilities; they would be provided by private enterprise instead of the government and there would be no eminent domain or right-of-way laws allowing seizure of private property to build them.

      Personally, I wouldn't go quite this far. I do believe that a few industries, such as electrical distribution, roads, and telecom infrastructure, are "natural monopolies" and should probably be managed by government. But we must clearly delineate the areas of government involvement. Government should put up and maintain the electrical distribution wires, but should not generate the electricity. Government should provide a fiber-optic cable infrastructure, but should not provide or regulate telephone, Internet, or TV service. Government should build the roads, but not provide transportation services. But that's merely my personal belief and not one all Libertarians would share. It certainly introduces plenty of opportunities for corruption and expanding government.

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    2. Re:Telecom easements under libertarianism? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Would libertarians give non-subscribers the right to prohibit providers of last-mile telecommunications from stringing wires under or over their land? Yes. This would make residential telecommunication and other infrastructures uneconomic under pure libertarianism because there wouldn't be enough contiguous subscribers to turn a profit.

      Libertarians are for strong individual property rights. Does this include "property" of the "intellectual" sort? What is the fundamental difference between a bundle of exclusive rights in a plot of land and a bundle of exclusive rights in a work of authorship?
    3. Re:Telecom easements under libertarianism? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      This would make residential telecommunication and other infrastructures uneconomic
      Right, which is why, as I mentioned, I wouldn't go that far. No political philosophy can be perfect, I guess...

      Does this include "property" of the "intellectual" sort?
      No, IMHO. I replied to your other comment here with my answer to that. I guess I could expand on it a little.

      To a Libertarian, the most important thing is personal liberty; the freedom of everyone to do whatever they want, as long as they are not violating the right of other people to have the same freedom. Using force to coerce others is a violation of their right to freedom and the worst possible sin for a Libertarian. The government uses coercive force to implement its laws; the number of laws should be kept as small as possible to minimize coercive force.

      Libertarians are strong believers in the power of markets to allocate scarce resources. The rules of private property ownership are restrictions on our freedom, but they are necessary because without *some* reasonably fair method of allocating scarce resources we would fight over them. Lots of coercive force would be used. Markets are the best way we've yet found to allocate scarce resources with the minimum possible amount of coercive force.

      Intellectual property law also restricts individual liberty, but the justification used for physical property doesn't work for IP. IP does not need to be allocated because it is not scarce. In the absence of IP law, we would not fight over who gets to use the IP, because everyone can use it simultaneously; no coercive force would be used. Establishing a market in IP requires laws that the government must implement with its coercive force. The way to manage IP with the minimum possible amount of coercive force is therefore to not have IP laws at all; no market is necessary.

      So, Libertarians support markets for physical property because free markets are the system which results in the least amount of coercive force being used to restrict people's freedom. That justification doesn't work for IP; the system with the least amount of coercive force is a system with no IP laws at all.
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  27. Copyright vs. real estate by tepples · · Score: 1

    Taking the example of the monopoly most often discussed on /., Microsoft's business model is entirely dependent upon copyright, patent and trademark law. Without government support, Microsoft wouldn't exist. Some people view copyrights as analogous to real estate: both copyright and real estate involve a bundle of state-enforced rights subject to easements. Copyrights are just taxed less. Would libertarians eliminate both, keep both, or somehow justify one and not the other?
    1. Re:Copyright vs. real estate by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright is an interesting case. Copyright definitely is an issue on which Libertarians might disagree. I'll give you my take on it.

      Libertarians are definitely *for* property rights and free markets, so private property ownership stays for sure. Copyright, on its face, appears to create a market for information, and Libertarians like markets. However, Libertarians also like individual liberty. Property rights restrict individual liberty, but a market in private property is required (one might say it's a necessary evil) because there is a limited supply of property which needs to be allocated fairly. Information does not need to be allocated, because there is an unlimited supply of any particular piece of information. The justification for restricting individual liberty to establish the market doesn't exist in this case. So I would say a true Libertarian would be against copyright.

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    2. Re:Copyright vs. real estate by swillden · · Score: 1

      Some people view copyrights as analogous to real estate: both copyright and real estate involve a bundle of state-enforced rights subject to easements.

      Such people don't understand copyright. Since ideas and expressions are infinitely reproducible (unlike real estate), there's a good argument that they naturally belong to all of mankind. The theory underlying copyright is that it's a right that is created solely for the benefit of society, not the creator or copyright owner, and any value that accrues to them is merely incidental. Society chooses to artificially restrain its own natural right to use the creations of its individual members in any way anyone sees fit, but only for a limited time, in order to encourage the publication of said creations. The true goal of copyright is to expand the public domain (at least, this is the goal of modern copyright; the first copyright statutes had censorship as their primary goal).

      In contrast, real estate is true property of its owner, albeit with a tax whose intent is to prevent an owner from locking up large quantities completely unused. That's why the tax rate is dependent upon the value that everyone else places upon the land; land with higher utility to others comes with a higher tax upon the owner to encourage him to either make use of it or to sell it to others who will make use of it.

      The above isn't the Libertarian view, it's the current theory.

      As to what Libertarians would do: They would probably keep both, though in a modified form and for different reasons, since they're different things.

      Real estate taxation is a point of much debate, but the fact that land is an unarguably finite resource (at least as long as we're confined to a single planet) leads most libertarians, AFAICT, to the opinion that real estate taxes are appropriate and necessary to ensure some equality of opportunity. In fact, based on what I've read, most libertarians would argue that real estate taxes are the only taxes that don't violate the principle that each man is entitled to the results of his own labor.

      As for copyright, I think that the idea underlying copyright is so compelling and beneficial to society, when implemented correctly, that libertarian societies would voluntarily create similar constructs through contracts.

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  28. American politics has no problem by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1

    America has the best politicians money can buy, and that's why there is never, ever any problem.

    There's just simply no way that, say, oil cartels would push the government into invading other countries, or Banana companies would organise assassinations or anything remotely like that.

    America is the best country, in the world, and the politicians, not the people are what made it that way!

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  29. Re:Explosives, any sort of FOS by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Dogma is a secure refuge for all pseudo-intellectual adelophobics.

    Adelophobia: irrational fear of the unknown. The general unknown, which would include science, technology, culture/race, death, god, self, others .... A biologist afflicted with adelophobia will be functional with in the realm of text book biology and maybe even stem-cells, but espouse the great dangers of nanotechnology.

    Some of the better known highly distinguished USA adelophobics (I think) are GBMcclellan (No Fighting), DAMacArthur (Politics First), TRFranks (DSDS Almost Fired by Bear), WCWestmorland (Lies to Die by), RSMcNamara (Lead by Deceit), DDEisenhower & RMNixon (Domino Theory, War on drugs ... dogma cure alls), Bush-Family (Ivy League Educated Bigots, Thieves, and Nazi Lovers), DChaney (Lord of Oil & Scams), DRumsfeld (Quagmire-Don the DoD destroyer), BShockley (Transistor Racist), HFord (Bigot and Nazi Lover), TAEdison (Bigot, Thief, and proxy-Nazi Lover), BGates (Software Nazi), LEWalcott (Nazi Islam Bigot), RLimbaugh (Dogma Comedian) ....

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  30. Re:For the benefit of the non-US part of the audie by RodgerDodger · · Score: 1
    Well, it's not just for funnelling money into the congresscritter's own district. The really bad cases are like the one I hinted at - Representative Don Young of Alaska who allocated $10 million to a bridge in Florida, which was opposed by the representative for the district, and was inserted after the bill was approved by the House and Senate, but before it got signed by President Bush.

    The language within the earmark was changed during a process called "bill enrollment," when technical corrections such as changes in punctuation are made to legislation before it is sent to the President

    Young did this shortly after a real estate developer in Florida gave him $40,000.

    In a slightly more conventional case, Young also got funding allocated, via an earmark, for a bridge about the size of the Golden Gate Bridge to connect an island with a population of 80 to the mainland; this funding (about $300 million) was de-funded explicitly in yet-another-piece-of-legislation.

    He also once told John McCain that Hurricane Katrina victims could "kiss my ear!".

    Note that almost every other parliamentary system has lawmakers voting on the final draft, with no room for "technical corrections" once it's approved.
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  31. Re:Simple != vague by Danse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Less government + less government power = less effect of government corruption on normal peoples lives. It's a simple equation, but I don't think it's the least bit vague or unworkable. "Less government" is extremely vague. What do you cut? How do you cut it without causing major undesirable side-effects? How do you get people behind your proposed cuts unless you can explain what you want to cut, why you want to cut it, and how it will impact those people who's support you want? Keep in mind that you'll need a fairly large amount of support to get anything done, so you'll have to be pretty careful about what you decide to cut. This is just the beginning and off the top of my head too. There's probably a hundred other things that need to be considered as well. You need a LOT more detail.
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  32. Re:For the benefit of the non-US part of the audie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your description conflates earmarks with riders; a rider is when someone attaches an amendment to an unrelated bill, while an earmark is when money is allocated by law for a specific project rather than to an agency or other organizational unit generally. Budget bills are full of earmarks, but those aren't riders on a budget bill because doling out money is the point of the budget bill. As for adding to a bill after it has been passed, that is unconstitutional on its face; strictly speaking, the bill should not be considered law at all (the President never signed the bill passed by Congress, and Congress never passed the bill signed by the President, therefore the process is satisfied for neither version). I know that there was an incident in which this happened fairly recently, but to the best of my knowledge it's not something that happens regularly; I recall some journalists claiming that it was the first known time in history that it happened.

  33. Re:FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employer by Danse · · Score: 1

    This only means that your congress and other government agencies are also bad, it doesn't make FCC practice okay and sure as hell doesn't constitute a reason to stop improving things. Didn't mean to imply that at all. Just wondering why the FCC is being focused on rather than another agency. Is there some reason to go after it first? Just wondering if there is some strategy behind this.
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  34. Re:FCC moves aim to curry favor of future employer by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

    It might be because Lessig is involved heavily in what the FCC regulates. He starts at the area of his expertise. We'd need more people like him, experts in their field shaping policy.

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  35. Obama, king of entertainment industry donations? by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    Obama of all people is supposed to save us from pay-for-play?

    Look who's #2 on TV/Movie/Music donations list. Yeah, I'm sure it's because Obama has promised to pass the Digital Consumer Rights Act.

    Get a clue Lessig, Obama has his out out just like all the rest of them.

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  36. It's called the First Amendment people by unassimilatible · · Score: 1
    Petitioning your government for redress is a right under the First Amendment. All of you "kill the lobbyists!" types apparently are only concerned about your rights online, not those of others! Put dirty politicians in jail. But don't tell the CEO of the company I own stock in that he doesn't have a right to represent my interests versus the government.

    And no, this isn't a troll just because I had the temerity to disagree with your worldview.

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  37. Re:Explosives, any sort of FOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of lesser known vaguely prosaic /. adelophobics; OldHawk777 (Societal Antiestablishment Fearmongering)...

  38. Reply:Explosives, any sort of FOS by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    AC,

    As always, the tedium of your vapid nominal prose is exceptional.

    Next time you should try some maladjusted damnation dogma for inducing hysterically pithy anxiety in those predisposed to paranoid Phreak-outs. When you call on god for a one-on-one chat ... you are having a divinely inspired Phreak-out. IOW - No mater how lovely ... you are still pitiably sick.

    Chuckles %~P !HAVEFUN!

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