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Intel Details Nehalem CPU and Larrabee GPU
Vigile writes "Intel previewed the information set to be released at IDF next month including details on a wide array of technology for server, workstation, desktop and graphics chips. The upcoming Tukwila chip will replace the current Itanium lineup with about twice the performance at a cost of 2 billion transistors and Dunnington is a hexa-core processor using existing Core 2 architecture. Details of Nehalem, Intel's next desktop CPU core that includes an integrated memory controller, show a return of HyperThreading-like SMT, a new SSE 4.2 extension and modular design that features optional integrated graphics on the CPU as well. Could Intel beat AMD in its own "Fusion" plans? Finally, Larrabee, the GPU technology Intel is building, was verified to support OpenGL and DirectX upon release and Intel provided information on a new extension called Advanced Vector Extension (AVX) for SSE that would improve graphics performance on the many-core architecture."
Heck, I remember when "Pentium" came out and people laughed
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They are code names, not product names.
Intel has a rich collection of silly code names.
Evil people are out to get you.
You can't trademark numbers. When AMD started releasing "x86" numbered processors, Intel filed suit and lost. The judge stated that you can't trademark numbers. It's such an old case, this is what I found in the last 10 minutes regarding Intel and trademarking numbers.
I'm tired and too lazy to find the actual lawsuit.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
I vote AMD hit back with "Orgo" and "Ftoomsh"
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I dont understand your comment, I, like many other people dont like the idea of TPM, and from your post it seems you are sarcastically agreeing with me. (via the word slipped). You also, however say so we can get the advantage of owning an expensive cable box (which I could actually see as an advantage, if you already have one in your house).
Your post confuses me (or I'm being retarded, this has happened twice before in my life, along with the 3 times I've been wrong), and it forces me to conclude, that you, AC are in fact a woman and are using feminine wiles.
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Heck, I remember when "Itanium" came out and people laughed...
But before they laughed, I remember a bunch of companies folded up their project tents (sun, mips, the remains of dec/alpha). I'm not so sure companies will do the same this time around... Not saying this time Intel doesn't have their ducks in a row, but certainly, the past is no indication of the future...
I vote for Skookumchuck.
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Buckle your ROFL belt, we're in for some LOLs.
So, this Larrabee, will it be another example of integrated graphics that "supports" all the standards while being too slow to be useful in any practical situation, even basic desktop acceleration (Composite / Aero)? If so, I've gotta wonder why they even bother rather than saving some cash and just making a solid 2D accelerator that would be for all intents and purposes functionally identical.
Most of Intel's codenames are names of real places.
Would be nice if there was some sort of pattern to the naming though. Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III and Pentium 4 made it clear which one was newer (although the shift to arabic numerals was a little inconsistent). I have no idea where the other processors fit into this pattern.
These are code names, not product names. They will probably all be Core 2(3?), Xeon, etc.
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This is what it's named after: http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_201.php
Someone even wrote a song about the place: http://www.google.com/search?q=everclear+Nehalem
"Also as noted, a return to SMT is going to follow Nehalem to the market with each core able to work on two software threads simultaneously. The SMT in Nehalem should be more efficient that the HyperThreading we saw in NetBurst thanks to the larger caches and lower latency memory system of the new architecture."
Gosh, I hope it is more effective, because in my implementations I actually saw a slowdown instead of an advantage. Even then I'm generally not happy with hyper-threading. The OS & Applications simply don't see the difference between two real cores and a hyperthreading core. If I run another thread on a hyperthreading core, I'll slowdown the other thread. This might not always be what you want to see happening. IMHO, the advantage should be over 10/20% for a desktop processor to even consider hyperthreading, and even then I want back that BIOS option so that disables hyperthreading again.
I've checked and both the Linux and Vista kernel support a large number of cores, so that should not be a problem.
Does anyone have any information on how well the multi-threading works on the multi-core Sun niagara based processors?
depends how you feel about an HP-UX set top box.
me, personally, i'm all for it.
others may disagree, and I respect that.
Well, it went from Core, to Core 2. I'd presume these new chips would get the "Core 3" moniker.
While these processors may end up being great, in the end they may very well push AMD over the edge if you consider that AMD's new processors get clobbered by Intel's old processors. In the end, unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of their hat by the end of the year, this may either be the last innovation Intel makes for a while, or the last affordable one. As consumers we owe AMD a vote of thanks for driving Intel to the level they are at now.
they then went Pentium D, core/core duo, core 2 duo/core 2 quad, though i dunno what they're gonna call this bunch.
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First off, new integrated Intel chipsets do just find for desktop acceleration. One of our professors got a laptop with an X3000 chip and it does quite well in Vista. All the eye candy works and is plenty snappy.
However, this will be much faster since it fixes a major problem with integrated graphics: Shared RAM. All integrated Intel chipsets nab system RAM to work. Makes sense, this keeps costs down and that is the whole idea behind them. The problem is it is slow. System RAM is much slower than video RAM. As an example, high end systems might have a theoretical max RAM bandwidth of 10GB/sec if they have the latest DDR3. In reality, it is going to be more along the lines of 5GB/sec in systems that have integrated graphics. A high end graphics card can have 10 TIMES that. The 8800 Ultra has a theoretical bandwidth over 100GB/sec.
Well, in addition to the RAM not being as fast, the GPU has to fight with the CPU for access to it. All in all, it means that RAM access is just not fast for the GPU. That is a major limiting factor in modern graphics. Pushing all those pixels with multiple passes of textures takes some serious memory bandwidth. No problem for a discrete card, of course, it'll have it's own RAM just like any other.
In addition to that, it looks like they are putting some real beefy processing power on this thing.
As such I expect this will perform quite well. Will it do as good as the offerings from nVidia or ATi? Who knows? But this clearly isn't just an integrated chip on a board.
Larrabee has been around for ages. I remember how in Get Smart he worked for Control, but in the end he quit to join IBM. Now we find him again, this time at Intel. I think I'm having another one of those headaches again.
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I can't even find the clock speed in that article, which means we're STILL probably stuck at 3.5 Ghz +/- .5 Ghz, which we've been stuck for what, three, four years? What the hell happened? If we're still shrinking components, why are we not seeing clock speed increases?
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
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... because I simply _don't_ trust any company/companies with market share as vast as Intel (yeah, I know, the "Traitorous Eight"). Apparently, AMD has had a lot of legal beef with Intel in the past, in fact, they used to be best buds, until Intel snaked AMD from some business with IBM. I know it's only a matter of time before Intel outwits AMD in the mass sales of proc.'s (esp. in the desktop/laptop field... I personally LOVE the power-saving on my Dual-Core... 3.5 Hrs avg. on a battery is GREAT for the powerhorse that it is), but what can AMD do? Merge with ATI... oops, already been done. So is AMD restricted to GPU market for the rest of their (profitable) life?
I can see this going two ways:
1) Intel forces AMD outta business. AMD ends up liquidating its stock/technology to foreign companies (read: outside USA).
2) AMD Brings an Anti-Trust case against Intel for 'unfair practices' or some crap (IANAL).
However, there is ALWAYS the possibility that Intel pulls another Pentium Bug. Remember the mid-late 90's ? (God how _could_ we _forget_ the 90's!?) Either way, AMD needs to diversify their R&D and/or look for more lucrative business opportunities (whatever that means), or -the winner IMHO- work with IBM on this power saving crusade.
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It took them a while to get that it was a joke.
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They typically (maybe all) come from various types of things (e.g. mountains [mckinley]) in the north west portion of North America. You'll notice many sound the same such as Tukwila and Willamette.
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Your right we should all take the problems of the world upon us and go bunkers!!! go save a whale you knob! people die for stuff all over the world "including the USA & UK".
I remember the days when a youngster could go to bed dreaming of Longhorn firing bits through a tweaked Sexium....
"Be light, stinging, insolent and melancholy"
Actually, stupidly enough, I think the robot in Get Smart was Hymie.
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Mind you, it takes a genius like me to know what the hell you're talking about!
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
I don't know; Puyallup has a ring to it not-too-different from the other chip codenames. For all we know, it's already been used.
If you want obscure, try Stanwood, Smokey Point, or Granite Falls. They all sound like CPU names, but are cities most never have even heard of.
While this new architecture sounds amazing, and I am planning to upgrade in about a year when this is released, is anyone else a bit worried about the overclocking potential of Nehalem? Intel sells their high end $1000 + 'Extreme' CPUs with an unlocked multiplier and, other than a higher bin, that is really its only selling point. I remember the days before Intel started locking down the multipliers. Lots of people thought it might spell the end of overclocking. But of course it turned out that FSB overclocking, although RAM and chipset limited, was a perfectly viable alternative and so overclockers were freed from Intel's pricing structure. But this seems like an opportunity for Intel to add value to their more profitable high binned parts by closing the FSB loophole and leaving no way for overclockers to do their thing. Could it be that by next year only the rich will be able to afford a bleeding edge CPU?
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
me thinks /. is broken???
So, will Intel finally release a dual-DVI setup then? I love nVidia, but their lack of FreeBSD x64 support and the fact that I really have no need for a nVidia card outside of dual-monitor support has me searching high and low for a decent dual-DVI setup that works with xorg drivers and has 3D/DRI out of the box that lets me use some 3D affects and do basic 3D programming without stuttering like a mofo or switching to "soft-ware rendering" mode :(
FYI: ATI lost me as a customer with their many years of zero Linux support and not to mention they still don't support FreeBSD. I won't use them except for some integrated server boards where it doesn't matter.
I say this, as an admitted AMD fanboy, and in hopes that they can make a comeback, to once again force intel into a frenzy of research and development. I Can't help but imagine that AMD exec's are saying something along the lines of Isoroku Yamamota's famous WWII post pearl harbor quote, "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant." It's all gravy for consumers so one can't help to be happy at the current developments. However to ensure future happiness for consumers, one must also hope for an AMD Comeback.
You don't have to be a genius, but I bet the Young Ones won't get it.
..will the GPU run compiz?
[quote]ATI lost me as a customer with their many years of zero Linux support and not to mention they still don't support FreeBSD. I won't use them except for some integrated server boards where it doesn't matter.[/quote]
No forgiveness for ATI. I think we need to stay loyal to the companies that first showed us respect and show us the most respect today. Intel has poured resources into Linux and Xorg. When we are able to of load all HD video decoding from our CPUs to our GPUs, it will be Intel that makes that possible. For years ATI and nVidia have taunted the MythTV community with $25 512MB video cards that could easily handle HD video if only the manufactures would support us. This is a grievance of which I can't easily let go.
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Just for the record, Sun canceled their last product line because they flailed on completing it in a timely fashion, and by the time it came out it would have been dramatically outdated already. So instead they canned it; brought out broader versions of existing chips rather than deeper, new processors; and built x86-64-based systems in the meantime.
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Larabee was the Chief's dumbass assistant.
http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/larabee.html
Hymie was the robot
http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/hymie.html
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Most of Intel's codenames are names of real places.
How long until they release a chip named after Intercourse,PA,
Or my favourite, Wankers Corner,OR
AMD will join the fun and look to France for inspirational place names, such as Condom, Tampon and Herpes
Not to be outdone, poor old Amiga Inc finally release a new computer named after the village of Shittington,in the UK,with an update scheduled for 2025 named after Mount Buggery in Australia.
These Intel Hewbrewlish names are getting really hard to pronounce.
"Hebrew English is to be helpings and not to be laughings at."
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Hey,don't forget Bald Knob and Pigskillet,AR.I think my state has to be in the top 10 for stupid town names.Which is good,since we're 49th in everything else.The only thing that saves us from dead last is the consistent suckage of Mississippi.Go Mississippi!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Whoa! You mean they stopped laughing? Now that's major news!
Now, please keep in mind my understanding of the law is next to "naive" but here is my understanding:
For something to be considered "trademarkable" there has to be some form of association with the trademark. For example: Mickey Mouse & the Walt Disney Castle are trademarks of Walt Disney since you see or hear these images, you conger the images of Disney and such. Now if Intel could prove such links with numbers, perhaps there is a chance. HOWEVER the reason this has been (and always will be) a total demonstration in futility is because numbers can't generate the same iconic images as words or pictures. Numbers are numbers and signify values, not property or anything tangible. Granted there are trademarks with numbers in them but usually they have a letter or two thrown in. That is where it goes from just numbers to a word - a word with numbers in them. That is when it can be trademarked.
What Intel is trying to do is go "If you use 10206 as a name for something, we will sue!" The problem is:
1) I will sue Intel because that is part of a story I have and have proof I beat them to. (Although that is totally off the real topic here & I would meet with their pit bull lawyers)
2) If you got 10206 as a math answer, how would the law differentiate between it and Intel's property?
3) If 10206 was part of a formula, bar code, serial number, part number, etc., how would the system know if it is a violation of trademark laws?
Think about this - The number 42 is a part of the Hitchhikers Guide story. I can safely use "42" in anything I want because its a number AS LONG AS I don't go and say "it's the meaning of life" BECAUSE then it would have an association. Now as far as Intel, they can't say "the number is associated with our chips" because there is such a weak (at best) association between a number and something physical (the chip).Mostly I think the law has told Intel "Whatever. The numbers look more like a serial number rather than a trademark worthy thing". That is why Intel can't get its wishes.
Anyways, that is my ten cents (my two cents is free...) and I could totally be wrong here. However that is my understanding.
Given that processors with four cores are called "quad-core", shouldn't a six core processor be a "sexa-core" processor? Calling a six core processor "hexa-core" would imply that a processor with four cores should be called "tetra-core."
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If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
Well, at least with Longhorn there's no way it's going to be premature.
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They weren't even used in the Arab world until modern times -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system In the Arab world - until modern times - the Arabic numeral system was used only by mathematicians. Muslim scientists used the Babylonian numeral system, and merchants used the Abjad numerals. It was not until Fibonacci that the Arabic numeral system was used by a large population.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Try going to Bangalore some time, and see how confident that will be true in 5 years time.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
>Intel has a rich collection of silly code names.
Dunnyton must be getting near the top for silliness.
If they didn't support OpenGL you'd see Apple moving over to AMD without a second glance.
I think that quote has your answer: we adopted it because Fibonacci used it, and he called it the Arabic numeral system.
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Smokey Point sounds like a CPU name? That's the last thing I want my CPU to be, a point to let out the blue smoke.
not likely, being a new architecture and all.
Wrote before thinking. This makes me look stupid...
Nah... We all have done this before.
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BTW, the first is pronounced "nuh-HAY-lem", as in Nehalem Bay, Oregon.
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That's funny... /. ate my subject, which was "Remember the i740" before I hit "preview"...
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Itanium? People laughed and started calling it the Itanic. Many still do, some might also call it an EPIC failure. It's only good for very niche applications. You're usually better off using an x86 (from AMD or Intel) or IBM POWER.
:). My bet is complex instructions that do a lot will keep winning as long as memory bandwidth and latency are constraints.
The x86 is still king. It may be as ugly as a pig with a rocket strapped on, but it still flies faster than those elegant RISC eagles.
While IBM's POWER stuff might be faster, it sure doesn't like a RISC anymore - definitely not a very "reduced instruction set"
Are you referencing the young ones there?
Yes. To explain the reference, Orgo and Ftoomsh are both 'Helpers from Hell', working with the devil.
If anyone uses their name 3 times, they are allowed to surface and cause pain and mayhem.
So Orgo gets to go up a lot more often than Ftoomsh. eg 'Will I go to the party or go (orgo) to the pub?'
But Ftoomsh doesn't get the same opportunities, cause no-one says Ftoomsh.
Except Rik - one of the Young Ones, who repeats it 3 times, a typographical error in a newspaper he is reading aloud.
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
not likely, being a new architecture and all.
But you see, Core and Core2 are two completely different architectures. This would make Core3 a fitting name for the next big thing.
Core is simply a Pentium M with a streamlined FP unit. The SSE units are still 64-bit and there are still only three instruction decoders.
Core2 adds the two 128-bit SSE registers, adds a fourth decoder, and a mess of other optimizations. This is certainly an architectural change.
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And occasionally whores for Karma.
Those animals are parallel but not from separate origins. Evolution says there is a single origin. And given that I have to ask why was there only one. If scientists think evolution can happen again on another planet then why did it only happen once on this planet?
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