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Demonoid Tracker Is Back Online
Crymson4 writes "We discussed the shutdown of the Demonoid torrent tracker last fall. For those who don't already know, Demonoid is back up. Looks like they found a new host for the Web site and the tracker is functioning properly as well. For those with old accounts, all the old data has been saved. It's almost as if they never left."
Okay, seriously, what's the point of invite-only registration? I see right now, it says you have to be an invite, but it also says (on the "got an invite?" page) that they open registration to the public once a month. If they're trying to keep the MAFIAA out via invite-only reg, then why the hell would it ever be open to the public at all?
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Good to have them back. Looking forward to using them again.
Its Back!! Can I get an Amen from the Congregation?!!!
One of the things that made/makes Demonoid so great is that the unwashed masses aren't permitted to ransack and abuse the system in the same way that they are at TPB.
You need invite only registration if you really want to be able to enforce ratios. Otherwise people just create disposable accounts, leech to the cap and never seed.
On Demonoid, people seed or their ratio goes to shit and they can't DL.
Anyway, I'm glad it's back. TPB is great, but it doesn't always cover all the bases for me.
After all the fuss & muss (with no court-based legal rulings) how are they back up?
They did not goto court (the innocent admins would have shouted it from the roof-tops), they must have had an out-of-court settlement. Considering all the old account are still available, this stinks of a setup.
I am from Canada, and as we are aware there are several laws that 'allow' me to d'load. There is even one that I can think of that allows me to upload. BUT that said, I will not log back into demonoid, I will not create a new account.
I will continue to use the private trackers that I am currently on, and most importantly continue to use Piratebay to search.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
...but Demonoid did. I think this indicates a subtle but meaningful change.
I don't know about this 1:1 ratio thing of which you speak, but I am sure glad to be able to resume leaching from Canada. They blocked the country due to legal threats quite a while ago, and now seem to have forgotten to do so again. Will see where that goes.
If you ask me it is the protocols job to get leaches to contribute not the sites. After all the site serves ads regardless...
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Recent news about IndieTorrents.com, an invite-only tracker that is pretty extensive as far as range and number of independent music etc, is shutting down. Planning a comeback, however.
# 2008-04-12 - I have some sad news to announce to all of you. IT will be closing down on Sunday. We hope to rise from the ashes like a fiery phoenix some day in the future but for the time being our run of free hosting has come to an end. It has been a great ride and I have had so much fun doing this. I will miss this and think back with fond memories. Drink a tall glass of cold beer and say goodbye to your good friend drewcifer. -http://www.indietorrents.com/
But they've recently got $2000 in donations, so I think their return should definitely be expected.
I find waffles.fm & what.cd are other good invite-only sites for independent music torrents. I believe waffles is where most OiNK users went. Those invites are hard to come by, however. At least in my searches; which are still fruitless.
"While you're watching the quiet ones, a noisy one will fucking kill you!" - George Carlin
I usually buy most of my music. sometimes I just don't have the cash so I would turn to the pirate bay or demonoid a while back. I'm kind of glad this is back up because I used to get quality torrents and seeds from them.
We came,we saw, we kicked it's ass!
Is twofold: Firstly, they have a great search engine (read: it is very easy to find what you are looking for), and Secondly, torrents are generally well seeded.
I'd like to know what your response is to research that indicates that copyright periods are currently far too long to maximise content production(In a nutshell, artists can coast off of their previous work).
LONG LIVE RAPIDSHARE!
... and who then post the music, the movies, the shows and the software freely on torrents.
No longer quite so honest in your book, huh?
Anyway, ethics is relative and subject to change, and so are business models.
As far as I'm concerned, it is better to let everyone adapt to new conditions in the world than to try to reverse them.
Besides, it has been proved that torrents don't hurt music sales in the least; quite the contrary, in fact. Software companies have also profited from the increased mindshare (private users may pirate the software, but when they use it for business, they buy the software they are familiar with instead of something else).
Aside from all that, the ratio requirement is there so that information would continue to flow — it only happens when everyone gives at least as much as they get. And that's why it is called sharing.
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I don't understand this hatred of 'leeching' amongst file sharers. You know that you are ALL leeching right? You are leeching off the honest people who actually BUY the music, BUY the movies and BUY the software.
Quite a lot of the content here is likely to originate from people who bought the whatever and uploaded it. Another major source is where the content was broadcast to a significent chunk of the planet.
without them, the stuff would not get made,
This is the "every pirated copy is a lost sale" theory. Which has been completly debunked. Quite simply the vast majority of the people involved are not "potential customers" in the first place.It's also very possible that the "pirate" version, which tends to be "Available worldwide and DRM free", will be the only version available to people. Possibly for months/years even forever.
I have been trying for months to get an invite. I need an account for older torrents on the site. Non-members can only access new torrents. Thanks.
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GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
so your saying if i download enough RIAA label music and hollywood movies i'll send the fuckers broke and they will have to stop making their dribble? excellent!
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
"which would be damn hard for imposters to replicate without siezing the servers and re-setting them up, plus having access to the domain name and DNS etc.."
but trivial for law enforcement and this type of thing happens all of the time where big sites go down and mysteriously reappear but with a puppet master pulling the strings and logging everything.
I'd avoid demonoid and any such new resurging site like the plauge
What about CDs that are no longer in print (and impossible to find second-hand), or hard-to-find DVDs that are encoded for a region other than yours?
Demonoid had the best community out of the "public" torrent sites and made for a richer filesharing experience, I've been lamenting it's loss ever since.
The Pirate Bay is okay but didn't have the range of Demonoid. I used to have a Torrentleech account with 20gb worth of positive ratio but was a victim of their new "regular login" rule, so it's great to have a comparable site back from the dead.
No, it's not. Ever heard of TV shows getting cancelled because of bad ratings, movie sequels being made because the original sold well, artists being dumped by a label when their latest album bombs, et cetera? It's not hard to see that the creation of media is influenced by people going out and paying for it. That also means that people going out and buying stuff contribute significantly to the diversity of media available for downloading. If you only download and never buy, you are profiting from the availability of materials that is paid for by paying customers.
That has nothing to do with "every pirated copy is a lost sale" (or "without IP no art would be produced"). It's just pointing out that when person A buys albums and person B downloads them, A contributes more to the production of future albums than B. How you can miss the point so completely and still be modded "4: insightful" is beyond me.
Fine, possible moral exception, if not a legal one.
But the GP's example of a major Hollywood blockbuster is not an exception. It is freely available if you want to pay a few $currencys. That it isn't available under the precise terms you would like also does not count, as it's grossly tilted in your favour ("I'd like it DRM free, and in Ogg Theora, and hosted on a Linux server, and with a penguin on it, and a pony, or else I won't pay a $currency/100").
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The law would say that just because something is out there doesn't mean you have the right to watch it regardless of the circumstances. It says you have the privilege to watch it if it's in your format, but just because you can't buy it doesn't mean that you can get hold of it any which way you see fit. Some would consider it a supply constraint.
I'm just saying....
so your saying if i download enough RIAA label music and hollywood movies i'll send the fuckers broke and they will have to stop making their dribble? excellent! How many times do I have to pirate Transformers so we'll never see a Transformers 2? I'll do it, for the sake of the children.
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Maybe if they made media that didn't suck then it wouldn't do poorly. You can't blame a poor public reception on pirating alone.
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I'd like to know why you are changing the subject to talk about copyright terms when this is not what's being discussed.
But riddle me this..
If I spend 5 years of my life building a house, its mine for my entire life and its passed down to my descendants FOREVER. If I spend the same 5 years creating a movie book or software, apparently I don't enjoy the same rights to what I created.
Why?
Explain to me why there is one rule for property and another for creative works. Is a garden not a creative work? ditto architecture, yet we allow the ownership rights on those to last forever.
or are you in favour of the state seizing your house when you die, or 50 years after you bought it and making it public domain?
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(Just a warning, not bashing anybody here. Don't take this to offense, because I'm just an idiot like the rest of us.)
Ever heard of TV shows getting cancelled because of bad ratings,
I don't know about you, but I have yet to meet someone who downloaded entire seasons and hadn't watched the shows anyways. (I don't download TV shows myself, but my friends that do generally download the older seasons and watch the current ones, or have done the opposite)
movie sequels being made because the original sold well,
Most movies these days are crap, or don't stick to their original story. Live theatre is looking more and more attractive.
And nothing's stopping you from making your movie independant. With all these "artists" prostituting themselves for millions of dollars a year, I'm sure releasing one movie by themselves isn't going to kill them.
And even then, what the hell? Why is $director or $producer getting paid so much money, why is $actor so freaking rich for just talking and walking, and why the hell does $CEO get millions too unlike $wrtier who gets paid barely anything?
When they learn to pay everyone properly, I'll buy each and every one of my movies. It's not like the 10$ will kill me. This isn't including the topic of piracy.
artists being dumped by a label when their latest album bombs, et cetera?
Labels are such crooks I'm suprised so few people are actively dumping their labels to go independant. My uncle is independant; he's doing just fine. Most people probably won't make the same as if they joined a studio, but if you wanted to make millions off a synthetic voice loosely based on yours, talking about your sex life, might as well start a cult.
It's not hard to see that the creation of media is influenced by people going out and paying for it.
Good media was never influenced by money. Money was just incentive to make even more. But even then, who was paying Da Vinci, who was paying Mozart, those seven-digit salaries today's artists get? And I still think their music was much better than today's crap.
I wanted to find a copy of something called Lost. No, not the hugely popular recent one. This one. I contacted Channel 4 (praise be upon them - they're excellent!) to ask if it was available as a DVD. But it's not, and there are no plans of it. So I had to try and find it online. Which I can't, due to the "other" Lost. So "pirate" copies are the only way I am likely to be able to get it, but even they don't work. :)
What's my point. I guess I'm asking on Slashdot to see if anyone can help me find the UK version of it
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This is the "every pirated copy is a lost sale" theory. Which has been completly debunked. Quite simply the vast majority of the people involved are not "potential customers" in the first place.It's also very possible that the "pirate" version, which tends to be "Available worldwide and DRM free", will be the only version available to people. Possibly for months/years even forever. Actually, that theory is true. I use my linux server running 20 separate bittorrent configurations to pirate. Each one downloads two movies per day (for speed, they seed to each other, and each download two movies per day. By the end of the day, I have $20 per movie * 20 copies * 2 movies = $800 per day. I put the movies on a dvd at the end of the day (20 copies of the same thing have very good compression) and put it under my pillow. The piracy fairy brings me my $800 of disposable income straight from the pockets of the producers and actors and the movie industry.
"What about CDs that are no longer in print (and impossible to find second-hand), or hard-to-find DVDs that are encoded for a region other than yours?"
That's a fine tangental discussion, but not really relevant. Look at the top list of most any tracker, or the list published by BigChampagne, which aggregates this info. It matches closely with the stuff that's popular at the moment.
The BitTorrent protocol can also be used to share Linux distros, and other authorized stuff. But neither these, nor the "no longer in print" content, are the primary traffic on Demonoid.
It's fine to acknowledge that many people use piracy as a substitute for buying. There's nothing wrong with this -- opting to get something off of a tracker vs. purchasing it leaves you with more money in your pocket. Having more money is the same motivation that drives most musicians, artists and filmmakers, so it's nothing to be ashamed of. When you choose to torrent something rather than buying it, you're simply acknowledging that you'd rather have that money in your pocket than in the pocket of some actor, musician, or writer whom you don't know, and whom you'll probably never meet. This is perfectly understandable and requires no rationalization.
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Old out of print comics (Kamandi... Warlord...) which have no graphic novels you can buy... never found another good site and sure missed Demonoid for them.
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You're making the common mistake of thinking that "every pirated copy is a lost sale."
Spiderman 3 may be available worldwide since it was such a big budget movie, but it was not by any means worth spending the money to buy. I will never spend money on Spiderman 3 because it was just a bad movie. I wouldn't want it for free either, so I wouldn't pirate it, but I'm sure there are enough people out there that might think a movie would be "nice to have" but not worth spending the money on. If someone can get the movie for free, they might be willing to take it, but otherwise they'd never want to bother with it.
You might think that no one would profit from this idea either, but think of all of the on-screen advertising in big budget movies. That's sure to have an impact on people who pirate the movies (either consciously or subconsciously.) Also, if a person who downloaded Spiderman 3 showed it to friends and family, one of those people who watched it may have enjoyed it enough to think it is worth spending money on. Some people may even want to download the movie just to decide whether it is worth owning before they spend the money. Afterward, they may enjoy it enough to legally buy it, or decide it is garbage and delete it.
Every pirated copy is not a lost sale...
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That would be all fine and dandy if the actual work was in lack of supply. Unfortunately your argument just doesn't hold.
I have a lot of friends who use BT, who are not as attuned to the whole concept of not being a dick and seeding. In fact I am the *only* person I know personally that actually regularly seeds. Why? Because ISPs have bandwidth caps, and people are too cheap to put some of their caps towards contributing back. I've always believed that seeding is the "rule of the game" when it comes to BitTorrent, it's the thing that makes the wheel keep spinning, but the vast majority of people on public trackers do not seem to agree.
To be fair, it's hard for many people to get a good upload ratio since home broadband connections tend to be hugely asymmetrical. A typical DSL connection will let you download an episode of Lost in 15 minutes but it over 1.5 hours to upload (assuming max throughput). So even in the ideal case, a user may have to leave the torrent going for hours to reach a 1.0 ratio, which many are not likely to do, simply because they are used to closing a program when it's finished downloading.What's more, other clients are receiving pieces faster than you can upload them, meaning that you can't supply your in-demand rare pieces to many peers before they become very common in the swarm. Meanwhile, the minority peers with high upload rates are dishing out their rare pieces to dozens of peers as once (thus drinking your milkshake). By the time you hit 100% complete, dozens (if not hundreds) of others are as well. Which means none of your pieces are particularly rare, so you can only expect to upload a few percent (1/seeds) to each new downloader. Since a large portion of the downloads happen when a torrent is first posted, this often means leaving a torrent running for days or even weeks before reaching 1.0.
I could find a way around Bell's upstream throttling. (I have a 3rd party ISP)
Anyone manage to find a Bell throttling workaround for deluge? ( or any other Linux P2P) Turning on encryption hasn't helped.
My rights don't need management.
Most movies these days are crap When they learn to pay everyone properly, I'll buy each and every one of my movies And I still think their music was much better than today's crap. Maybe if they made media that didn't suck... I will never spend money on Spiderman 3 because it was just a bad movie
Just because you don't think something is worth the retail price does not make it OK to download it for free. How other people run their business is up to them and I personally don't see why that should have any bearing on your decision to buy whatever they're selling and if you don't think that their product/movie/music is worth your money the solution is simple: Don't buy it!
What about media that is grossly overpriced because of $organisation? Do you go down to $store, look for $product, decide that it costs too much and then just steal it? Didn't think so. You have to weigh up the costs vs the value of the product yourself. "Is this movie worth my $xxx? No? Then I'll go without." Being too cheap to pay store prices (either online or brick-and-mortar) doesn't give you a licence to steal.
copying digital media does not deprive the creator Maybe not, but it does make it easier for people to get $media for free, that's how p2p works. This devalues the product simply because supply becomes >= demand.
I don't want to wade in to a discussion about copyright periods being too long or "what about $media that I can't get because of $excuse". Just accept that what you're doing is illegal and that artists who create works are being paid less and less because of it.
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<devils-advocate>
What about CDs that are no longer in print (and impossible to find second-hand) Hire a band and record your own version. Pay the songwriter the legally mandated nine cents per track per copy. Now the song is in print again. or hard-to-find DVDs that are encoded for a region other than yours?Buy six DVD players, one for each region, and a TV capable of handling both 50 Hz and 60 Hz component video.
</devils-advocate>
Way to pick two examples and extrapolate that every download is just people stealing because it's easy. Show me where Walmart and Best Buy keep their DVDs of Howard the Duck please.
A contributes more to the production of future albums than B
That depends on the usage. The vast majority of music that I've downloaded has been stuff that I had never heard before, and which has consequently led me to attend shows and buy albums that I otherwise never would have heard. So when this particular person B downloads them, it's more likely to lead to a sale than if they hadn't.
To quote Clutch's drummer, Jean-Paul Gaster:
"The reality is that an artist has to have a record go gold, before they are even going to see a dime. Bands put out 3 or 4 records on a label and never see a dime from record sales. So, it is not like people who are downloading would be putting a dollar in my pocket if they would have bought the record. The industry is set up so that the record company will immediately get paid from record sales."
When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat? -C. Palahniuk
I know that when my family was a 'Nielsen family' for a week that whenever I wasn't at home for a show that I normally watch and subsequently downloaded the episode to watch it, I just listed my viewing where it asked about VHS or DVR recording of shows to watch later.
Welcome back demonoid.
Which is exactly why I like demonoid so much. They don't really enforce ratios, and closed registration is done strictly for logistical reasons. Some people hate demonoid because it isn't elite enough, and because it lets people leech, slowing speeds for everyone. Those people are missing the point and philosophy of file sharing, which is spreading the information as far and wide as it'll go. Lechers or not.
If I don't watch a television show it is because it sucks or I just don't have time. If I download it, I at least get to watch the good ones at my convenience.
If I download an album instead of buying it, it's because I am not paying $15 for one or two songs.
Let's face it, if an album, movie, or television show sucks enough that I am not willing to pay for it, then I am not going to pay for it. It may be download quality but, that's it.
*Process is Irrelevant, Progress is Paramount*
I dislike demonoid because it is a site built on the illegal copying of copyrighted intellectual property, and thus one of the major forces that is pushing PC gaming to collapse, and myself out of business.
Leechers or not, games pirates are wrecking gaming.
Not that anyone on this site gives a fuck about anyone who *shock horror* creates something digital for a living...
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I, for one welcome our torrent overloards.
First- I agree with you with regard to copyrighted material under 28 years old with the important caveat that creators ONLY deserve a reasonable compensation based on the cost and effort to create that work. No one- executives, creators, etc deserves to make millions of dollars a year just because they got "lucky" and won the jackpot. The current copyright periods reflected that it took 28 years to get a reasonable profit back in the 1700's. Clearly that is no longer the case.
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Anything over 28 years old is a product of government corruption by disney and other large corporations so I do not respect those- sure it is legal but I view it as so scummy that companies have corrupted a set of laws intended for the public good into "corporate welfare for life- no one can ever use our stuff even tho our stuff is often new versions of public domain stuff (esp disney)".
Also, if I have purchased a product, I get pretty pissed off when I can't make a backup copy to take with me on vacation or use that product on my various devices or stop working because I installed a new hard drive. I disagree with the entire "LISCENSED TO USE" concept as well. I do respect the "Cable" model where you pay a tiny fee and so only reasonably expect to get temporary usage of a large amount of material.
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The purpose of copyright law is to encourage people to create works. I think now that the world is a bigger place, people would create a lot MORE works with a lot LESS encouragement. Actors used to make 6 movies a year-- songwriters used to write a song a month-- today their productivity has dropped as their compensation has gone up (and the quality of the work has not gotten better either).
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Except I don't download movies. I buy the good ones actually.
I don't feel "digital downloads" are worth the dollar per song they ask. Simply because I wouldn't buy the CD in some cases. Other cases, I buy the CD and rip the music off. I can play a CD in my car, can't do that with computer files.
How is it not a supply constraint? If a book publisher deliberately decides to publish 100 books, they deliberately are limiting supply. Likewise, once production of a mass-produced good ends, its supply is also limited.
/. may understand:
Let me provide an example that
Your Star Wars figurines/action figures/dolls were mass-produced. However, due to 30 some odd years going by and tons of kids playing with their toys, products existing in good condition are rare today. Because they are rare, they have become collectables. Some (crazy) people are willing to spend thousands of dollars on these formerly abundant goods because they are now rare.
Now, for an appropriate car analogy:
Ford's Model T used to be a very common car. However, due to many decades of time and use, Model T's in good, working order and in prestine condition are rare. What used to be a product that many families could purchase is now a product which very few families can purchase. Supply, which was once abundant, is now limited.
Here's another car analogy:
Citroen produces the C6 for Europe and many parts of the world. However, I, living in the United States, can not purchase the C6 and drive it around because it does not conform to US auto standards. Some may be safety (e.g. emissions, etc), some are not so much (differences in headlight specifications). The C6 is comparable to a DVD that is encoded for a region other than my own. Am I upset that I can't purchase one and drive it around in the States? Hell yes. Did Citroen necessarily have the vehicle not conform to US specifications? No; they just didn't anticipate (and probably rightly so) that there would be enough demand to produce, even if they did a major marketing endeavor.
I have the same problem with finding Velvet Soup (the we don't intend to put it out on DVD part).
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
What do you mean? As someone else here said "Transformers was the best LEGO Bionacle movie ever!"
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.