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Satellite IDs Ships That Cut Cables
1sockchuck writes "Undersea telecom cable operator Reliance Globalcom was able to use satellite images to identify two ships that dropped anchor in the wrong place, damaging submarine cables and knocking Middle East nations offline in early February. The company used satellite images to study the movements of the two ships, and shared the information with officials in Dubai, who impounded the two vessels. The NANOG list has a discussion of where Reliance might have obtained satellite images to provide that level of detail. Google News links more coverage of the developments."
Kinda odd that they'd have taken a picture clear enough to ID ships of that remote part of the world the same day, or possibly even within a couple hours of the ships being there. And two cables cut by unrelated ships within such a short timeframe? This is soooo conspiracy inducing. I think it was all one big test to see what would happen if someone cut the cables. At least now we know all we have to do is drag and anchor to disrupt the communications infrastructure of entire countries. And we thought we needed EMP! Silly us.
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And here I was being made to feel like a regular fool for not being 99.99% positive (as "proven" by Bayes' theorem, no less) that the U.S. government (or others) were intentionally disrupting internet services to presumably stop the Iranian Oil Bourse.
I'll never understand how a technical-minded group such as slashdot that prides itself on objectivity and generally mocks blind faith can, at times, get so easily carried away.
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Just think - the CIA/NSA/current administration somehow managed to purchase foreign-flagged ships of the line from arguably 'enemy' countries, hiding said purchases from both those governments, our own goverment, and the rest of the world, and then they somehow managed to get them to drop their anchors in just the places needed to cut the proper cables lying submerged on the seabed. They pulled all this off successfully - until YOU managed to figure it out.
Brilliant!
Huh? Occam who???
"...there are some things that can beat smartness and foresight. Awkwardness and stupidity can." ~ Mark Twain
Indian officer held for undersea cable damage
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/indian-officer-held-for-undersea-cable-damage/63234-3.html
We believe ya, right guys? :P
Weaksauce as they say...
I just refuse to believe in any story which does not has the theme of international conspiracy in it. This is /. There can be no man made mistakes!!
The conspiracy nuts are pitiful. I used to think they were all on the right, but now I know there are just as many if not more on the left.
Is it your years in the CIA or your years in the conspiracy nutjob section of the bookstore that make you so knowledgeable?
It says a "Korean shipping company." Not North Korea.
My guess is that it was a South Korean shipping company. But that doesn't make for as much rhetoric.
When cables get cut, wouldn't you, as a service provider, want to know what ships are in the area? Might not intelligence services take a gander with their satellites to see what is happening in the area?
Whatever my spam filters catch must be true. No matter the evidence presented, I know my penis will grow and Mr. Nabuti will give me half of his no-longer frozen assets.
GMane is a *far* easier interface to read than whatever nanog's official archive uses:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog/54752
It was Iraq and North Korea!
Except the second ship was South Korean, our ally. North Korea only has a handful of blue water ships. South Korea, electronics manufacturer to the world, has many.
When in doubt, "Korean" mean South Korean.
Some how i know this is george bush's fault. i don't care what the evidence says!
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
What interest does the US have in accusing its own puppet government (Iraq) and one of it's best allies, South Korea, of sabotage?
Oh, that's right, none. STFU, troll.
You have to watch out for those photon beams.... we don't want another swath cut through Florida. That expanse was a mess, always tripping over spheres... did I mention I don't like reptiles?
The article says the damage was caused by jerks. So, if those jerks would watch where they drop anchor these things wouldn't happen. I think jerks are the cause of most of the worlds problems, so the news here comes as no surprise.
oh geez not this shit again.
The odds that the moon landing was faked are about as high as my not submitting this post. And the odds that the American government is successfully running a conspiracy are about as high as the odds that the American government can run anything else competently.
It's obvious, the NSA let them have them because they realised people guessed it was them that cut the cables so to pretend it wasn't they did a double bluff and gave out the images to say "look we're the good guys here!"
It's all part of the coverup!
Next week on Internet Conspiracies.com we bring you details of the sharks with laser beams that cut the other cables.
Seriously though, where did they get satellite imagery capable of seeing ships? well erm, seeing as you can just about pick out people on Google earth I wouldn't imagine it was too much of a challenge being able to see big god damn ships. I'm sure plenty of companies and nations with an interest in finding out which muppet cut their net access can provide such imagery?
It is so incredibly easy to cut cables and once someone does it, everybody will and everybody loses.
MAD: Mutually Assured Disconnection
Hence, nobody does it.
A cable gets cut by accident every week of the year. So this time there were a couple grouped a bit closer both in time and geography. Big Deal.
Yay me!
The last report I saw into this suggested that it was the US because Iraq and Israel (the two main friends of the US in that region) were not impacted. This could either have been a test run for something else or a crafty excuse to re-route traffic from that region via the US (as actually happened) where the authorities have more chance of snooping on it. The reports into this were also pretty specific that sat data that was analysed at the time showed no vessels in the area of the break for 12 hours either side of the break.
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Stupid censor bars blocking my view.
You think that's a building. Now this is a building.
That's quite likely, since South Korea build the most ships in the world.
c++;
How's that for Occam? Hmm?
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That's no moon!
(sorry, obligatory..)
It's a trap! (sorry, also obligatory...)
You think that's a building. Now this is a building.
Not all ships owned by Korean companies are registered as Korean flag vessels.
... etc.
Look at US cruise lines -- most US-owned cruise liners are registered in other countries (usually the Bahamas).
See flag of convenience for a list of countries that are the most frequent places to register vessels. There are Korean-owned vessels registered in Belize, Cambodia, Cyprus
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I actually retract my statement above. It's not clear whether the ship is North or South Korean at this point. The only entry in the international ship registry matching an MT Ann ("Merchant Transport Ann") is a North Korean vessel.
5105 7320069 ANN HMZE6 Oil Products Tanker 22600 1973 12 Korea (North)
However, there's an "Ankuk" on the same list that's a South Korean ship that would also match:
5090 8130033 ANKUK NO. 7 Oil Products Tanker 2474 1982 06 Korea (South)
I'm no expert on ships, so it's possible I'm looking in all the wrong places. Or that there's a translation problem from Korean to English. Maybe somebody else has a better lead?
Considering the power that the Reliance conglomerate wields in India, I would not be surprise if it was NRSA that provided the satellite data.
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What seems incredible is that video footage of that resolution was available for those particular places at that particular time. It looks like we are all filmed 24/7, everywhere in the world. Which requires an incredible amount of resources (sattelites, cameras, bandwith, etc.). Or was it by chance that these spy sattelites were pointed to these areas? Or is it something like 1 photo/hour/place in the world?
Bah, this is the one time I wish I were an actual /. subscriber. Then I could go through my history and find the nutjobs who were expecting war with Iran "any day now" when the cables were cut. And publicly point and laugh at them. I suppose I'll have to settle for truthers on Digg.
If you take the layout of the deck and then compare it to ships in port at known times and locations it would be easy to ident. ships even with a meter resolution. The color and organization of shipping containers has got to be nearly as good a fingerprint even form space.
Dude:
Were they not to "even bother with subtlety anymore", they'd have come out with this information much sooner.
God forbid a tiny amount of fact-checking before an accusation is made.
If this were Tuesday, I'd hand you Occam's Razor and some Burma Shave.
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And, yet, they can't seem to find those people on "Lost"...
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If it's a South Korean ship (article doesn't specify) and an Iraqi ship, then they're both U.S. allies.
Iraq is only a U.S. ally because they were forced to be one.
You say you can plug in the real numbers and make it work, so go and do it. Post it right here. If you are so sure of yourself, back it up instead of saying "I stand by my ability to do arithmetic."
I don't care if you can do math on the wrong numbers; do it on the right numbers, and prove yourself not to be so politically motivated that you would make up numbers to prove a point.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Seriously though, if this article is somehow "proof" to you that your opinion was correct, then all those who were questioning your intellect were correct to do so.
The one ship that did get released only paid 60 grand to get out of hock. I can't imagine that covering the cost to repair the cable, let alone the loss incurred by the cutting of the cable.
I wonder how much that cost the internet providers... one would assume that whoever they leased the pipe from had to be given an alternate service, paid for by the company owning the cables that were cut, since they were likely under contract to provide the service. That can't have been cheap. Unless they used another line they owned, but still you'd think they would have to compensate their customers somewhat for the severe degradation of services and the downtime?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
None. Math on the wrong numbers is useless, no matter how impressed you are with its accuracy.
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Sorry, a fricking Selachimorph to mount it on.
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Sounds very interesting, can you post references ? (not trolling, you just piqued my curiosity)
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I've always wondered about that; who the hell puts a server in a carpeted room?
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You got TWO +5 Informatives by saying something and then retracting it? Oh wise one! Please teach me your ways.
What day is it? Could you please tell me?
It was from a idefence report I got a few months back. It's not online but may still be available to buy from Verisign.
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I had to read that topic about five times, before i understood what it was trying to tell me. "IDs" is just a very bad choice for a verb. I mean, every noun is verbable, but "IDs"? Why put those two letters in upper case, like in DVDs, or CDs? What's wrong with "identify"?
The one thing that stands out as strange about the moon landing was the dirt/dust. The people seemed to be lighter and float a little, the golf cart/car thing seems to be lighter, but the dust/dirt just went right back down. The moon is smaller and has less gravity then on Earth. Wouldn't the dirt/dust also float a little bit?
More importantly, who doesn't have dedicated circuits for servers and who allows the janitor access to the machine room?
As I remember, it did. But I would think (and, no, I haven't done the math) that the lack of air resistance on the light dust/dirt might cause it to fall a bit faster than one would expect to due to lesser gravity.
And you're telling me that it's a trap now that the sharks with lasers have us in their sight??!?
Save thy self!
Won't disagree with you about that, but I doubt we'd fake this incident in order to start bombing Iraqi Ministry offices inside the Green Zone over it.
Don't include the M/T or M/V when looking up a vessel :)
M/V Hounslow: 6801951, a waste disposal vessel, flag unknown
M/T Ann: 7320069, an oil products tanker, flying under a North Korean flag
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Hahah...yeah it's amazing how many people will act friendly and go along with your plans when you press a loaded gun into the small of their backs.
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I'm no conspiracy nut, but I am a critical thinker. The fact that they found the ships that caused the problem in no way exculpates the U.S. government from responsibility. Nor does it exlude Kermit the Frog.
I'm just saying--of course there were ships involved. If our gov't wanted to do it, do you think they'd use an aircraft carrier? Or a destroyer? Hell no, they'd use some friendly cargo ship.
Frankly, the fact that they are Dubai flagged could conceiveably be an indication that it was indeed done at the U.S. request.
Or Dubai's!
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Like most strange things about the moon landing video, it's the result of a complete lack of atmosphere. There's no resistance on the dust. When we kick up dust on Earth, most of it goes up into the air as the amount of force air movement provides is more than the pull of gravity. Remove the air, and it just goes plop.