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"Judicial Scandal" In Pirate Bay Case
dr_d_19 writes "Swedish media are reporting that Jim Keyzer, one of the police officers involved in investigating the Pirate Bay case, began working for Warner Bros. a few months after the investigation was finished. Peter Sunde, one of the men behind TPB, calls this a 'Judicial Scandal.' Quoting from TheLocal article: 'If the police officer is found to have entered into discussions with Warner Brothers before the end of the investigation, which took a year and a half to complete, it is possible that the prosecution will have to scrap its findings and start again.'"
So colour me surprised...
Two different stories, with possible scandalous implications, both involving Time-Warner companies in one day? Where are the FBI RICO investigators when you need them?
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If he did a good job finding or uncovering stuff, why wouldn't they want to hire him after its over?
Ironic that it takes a pirate to spot corruption in the legal system. Perhaps if we hired some fellows in fluffy shirts and a bottle of grog we could get something done about the RIAA.
You quoted those quoting others. Or possibly quoting those quoting those quoting others
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Does that mean he could bring information gained during the investigation to Time-Warner?? Is that legal even if he didn't start talking to them until after the investigation concluded??
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A new multi-national nobility (/mafia) who could fit into the average conference venue, are trying to obtain the wealth and power of the whole world. To do this they are willing subvert all governmental and non-governmental institutions into following the cause of this new monarchy.
The particular aim is to stop any competition or checks and balances that might restrain the growth of their power. Conflicts of interests and corruption don't matter to them, they have their own values and own replacement values over the traditional Judeo-Christian values that built the modern world.
So a police follows old media companies rather than the good of society. To him he feels no shame because he does not believe in democracy, he believes in "Intellectual Property", a doctrine not unlike the divine right of kings. Like Tudor monarchs gave out monopolies to the nobility and enforced them with the sword, so does the new nobility.
If we really lived in a democracy, then filesharing would be legal, because more people fileshare than vote for the government.
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How about that, hired _before_ the trial which will decide if the material at hand which the police found out was enough for convictions. I would have hired _after_ the trial. MPAA is again underestimating the internet - stuff like this you can't just put a locker and keep it hidden.
Avoid impropriety and the appearance there of? Oh and the guy still has more testimony to give in court. Unbiased witness anyone?
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scandal, in MY judicial system?
it's more likely then you think
If you're surprised that Big Media appears to have manipulated the judicial process of case against The Pirate Bay, please raise your hand. Anyone? Anyone? Yeah. That's what I thought. Not surprised in the least.
The police must appear to uphold justice. If it does not people will apply just as they see fit.
Swedes have guns too, you know.
Also, did you know that the most important indicator of long term economic success is trust.
What do you think happens to trust if people believe/suspect that justice is for sale in the marketplace?
... and all levels. Just the prices are lower at that level. His new job probabely doesn't earn seven figures a year as it would a some higher level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)
-ice, $Â%&$! TPB should have apply some black ICE (as should I).
... Because the merits of the case are determined by the information brought forth by the investigators and a conflict of interest could very clearly have a profound effect on the nature of that information?
Just a wild theory. Call me crazy.
He should have been a Senator in the pocket of the Pharmaceutical Lobbyists. He could have had more money and nobody would have blinked an eye.
There is a difference between a judge and a police officer, you know. So, i'm going to mark your comment with a big FAIL.
on TPBs front if you ask me. Expect all sort of SCO blathering from them in an effort not to get sued.
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In plain english...
If it looks like the cop doing the investigating is on the take, its not unreasonable he'd suppress evidence that proves innocence while collecting all evidence that determines guilt. Sorta like how the police officer was said to have planted the bloody glove on OJ's property. It makes it difficult to get a guilty verdict so the case would either be thrown out directly or through the Jury bringing reasonable doubt into the equation.
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Apparently the big media's puppet organisation, "Antipiratbyrån", in Sweden has done the same.
For those who understand Swedish:
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_1149973.svd
In all this mess lets have a look at the scores:
RIAA and the prosecution:
"Ministerstyre" (roughly speaking illegal manipulation of MPs )
Denial of service attacks
Illegal search and confiscation of private property
Bribing police investigators
TPB:
Assistance to commit copyright infringement ( which probably isn't even illegal in Sweden ).
Nice one.
If the law allows barring them (you don't distinguish if we're speaking of illegal, or legal, immigrants here), and other judges aren't following the law as written (and how likely is that?) then he may well have reason to want to be a judge that others of us feel we need more of.
Btw, you don't just become a judge. You don't wake up one morning and decide, "I want to be a judge now for the rest of my life. I should be starting in my new position by this afternoon at the latest."
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The missing bits of article prevent this from being news:
Maybe some of these elements will appear over time, and then it can be a scandal, until then it is a desperate defense attempting to confuse an issue.
I also see a possible problem here. Scientologists routine have police work a second job, by patroling scientology compounds. Pay quite well too. Now of course if any protests/actions occur the police may feel an extra obligation to possibly protect their second paycheck.
..........FULL STOP.
The least you could've done is quoted me when responding. gosh.
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My point is that impartiality is essential in that role. A judge shouldn't bring his personal prejudices to the bench. That's what attorneys are for. Lots of judges get overturned on appeal because of their bias in lower court rulings. And this is also sometimes why we have scandals at all court levels.
Clearly you're not involved in the court process or you'd see what a problem this is. Also I think we're getting way off topic here so for karma's sake, we'd better realign. I can feel an immigration stance argument coming on. ;)
We figured out a long time ago that it's easier to elect seven judges than to elect 132 legislators.
It's interesting how often it turns out that the criminals are the ones with the moral high ground.
I was being harrassed for a long time by this cop, and he finally arrested me and roughed me up slightly. I went to the same gym as the local dealer, and he had a word with the police chief over their weekly brewskis, and the fucker left me alone after that.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
English-language version of that same page: Taking of evidence and mode of proof - Sweden
They are both acting as representatives of the state as duly appointed by the people of that civilisation.
They are given powers by their peers (other humans) over themselves in the expectation that they will act in the best interest of all the people who have given up their right to enacting their own brand of justice.
They are not supposed to gain from their employment and this is why gifts and so on are frowned upon in almost all government offices (until Blair, anyway).
Interesting point, however you are wrong. They have a sophisticated argument about privacy in the digital age. That what private persons do, on a non-commercial basis, has no relevance to the government.
Whether those two people are man and wife in bed, or two people connected only by a bittorrent, they still have a right to privacy.
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It's more that they delight in the fact that what they're doing is wrong, and that no one can do anything about it.
Which is why all pirates smile when they spot a fat, slow merchantman loaded with gold that has no choice but heave-to when a couple shots are put across its bow and the "Jolly Roger" is hoisted.
You need to learn to "yarrr" properly, matey.
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Same goes for The Pirate Bay.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
I am Jim Keyzer Söze.
Where I come from, "dealers" don't hang out with the CoP. What kind of dealer was he?
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Welcome to Reality. It's harsh and short.
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at job interviews with Warner Bros.
Note that he was in charge of the preliminary investigation.
And that he is accused of droping investigations against Time/Warner et al.
If this is true, he should be looking forward to some time behind bars.
Whether Swedish police can lift the burden of proof against Time/Warner is more questionable. I wouldn't accept a claim of "good faith", but an actual judge might, I suppose.
I'm really sorry...
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I was approriately shocked and outraged until I noticed the "Hottest top ten" Sweedes of the week link.... I don't know why, but I kinda got side tracked... sorry....
P.S. Search for "The week's top ten" on the newspaper site if you want to see it.......
P.P.S I'm I the only one who noticed the link?? I thought this was
Buses stop at a bus station
Trains stop at a train station
On my desk there's a workstation....
While police and judges fill different roles, *BOTH* need to appear to be acting in the interests of the government, as opposed to a private interest. A police officer being employed by the people who are a party in an investigation he is actively involved with is just as wrong, in a fundamental sense, as say a judge ruling on a case against a company whose CEO takes him on vacation (actual case in my home state, vacation photos of him paling around with the CEO got out, and there were immediate demands that he recuse himself from the case).
Throughout the ages there have been many laws that have made 'legal' ideas and concepts we now find despicable.
Those who wish to control you like to conflate 'criminal' with 'wrong','immoral','evil', etc...
This assumes that the law is never wrong, when in fact, the law is often wrong.
It's a common misconception, especially in the USA.
Blar.
Yeah, he's right.
But it's still the FBI who investigates.
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Technically, there was no pirated content on the site.
... please?
Only references to it hosted by other people (.bittorrent files reference trackers, trackers reference other hosts which have the data available to share). Slight difference there Buckwheat.
You, much like many others do not understand how bittorrent works, but thanks for trying to act smart it was rather amusing.
I know we're supposed to focus on modding up rather than down, but really, can we PLEASE have a '-5 Twit' mod?
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At the bottom of this comment page I'm viewing, the /. quote:
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It's almost as if the
Nahhhhhhhh!
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Awesome for pirate bay!
The merits of the case are independent of whether the officer was thinking about a job with WB, is a fan of ABBA, or wears five inch heels.
The merits are the same regardless of what bribes the lead investigator takes, but the evidence gathered and presented to the jury will differ. That's why it's an issue.
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While police and judges fill different roles, *BOTH* need to appear to be acting in the interests of the government...
They need to be seen to be acting in the interests of JUSTICE. Unfortunately these days this is not always the same as the interests of the government.
I think the biggest scandal isn't that the police officer has changed employer.
The biggest scandal is that the prosecutor Håkan Roswall don't see this as having any impact on the case. He is still going to use this ex police officer as a technical expert witness and he also say that this has happend before.
Quite legal here (Georgia), you can rent cops out "off duty" and they are allowed to still wear their uniform and their badge and pack heat. It's common, and last I knew some years ago now they got $15 an hour, probably higher now. You can see them directing traffic so that big private parking lots like at shops and factories can get out into traffic, at fast food joints at lunch hour, concerts and other private venues, etc. One of the funnier things I saw was two different cops trying to work two different fast food joints that were next to each other, they were having a hard time as both of them were trying to block the main traffic to let "their" customers in and out, and it conflicted constantly and the poor drivers didn't know which frantically waving and whistling cop to "obey". Stop! No, go!, No stop! Pretty dang funny really.
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That's exactly what we need to do. Try to get the MPAA/RIAA to try to sue Google over this torrent thing. The Pirate Bay doesn't host anything but some links. People go there to find these links. But what about Google, who one can use to sort of meta search between TPB and Torrent reactor or such? Like say I'm trying to the entire Metallica collection. I'd be more likely to ue Google. The should try to convince the prosecutor the same thing. It'll be SCO vs IBM all over again, and I'm willing to bet it would put an end to the issue, for better or worse.
thank you for the bland, predictible, obvious civics speech. now pay attention. all of what you said is more or less correct. NONE of what you said has much relevance here. I'd like to know why this should be enough in this case to dismiss the lawsuit. what ACTUAL, PRACTICAL BEARING would it have if, for example, the police officer was seeking a job at WB? If he brought up bad evidence, sure, but the judge exists there to see whether the evidence is bad and the defense can challnge it too. This is the way an advertsarial system works. Likewise, the defense attorneys may make preposterous claims because they are biased for their client. What the hell difference does it make? Did somebody claim that the OJ case should be thrown out because the defense proposed preposterous "mafia" arguments that were clearly biased towards its client? in fact, mind you, we dont even have bias here. we have "the suspicion of potential of bias." There is BIG difference.
TFA may also explain the new logo on http://www.thepiratebay.com/ website
Unfortunately,(in this case), this does nothing when it comes to weighing the evidence. In swedish law, as apposed to anglosaxon, there is no such thing as tainted and inadmissable evidence. Any evidence is admissable to the court, no matter what strange and even illegal ways it has been produced.
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Yeah, yeah... Just more excuses for piracy — using somebody else's creations without their consent. It feels good, so it must be Ok, right? Why pay, when you don't have to?..
It is because the laws reflect the population's opinion very closely in the USA, and — unlike in many other places in the world — have done so for a very long time. So generations have grown up over generations, who so no or little disparity between "illegal" and "wrong".
I find this feature of Americans to be rather pleasant — most of the time...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
All evidence in one way or another depends on the trust of the police officers involved. For example, we may independantly decide that a given file is or is not a copy of Warner's IP. We may independantly decide under what circumstances it would be legal to have that copy. We depend on the officer's testimony that it was on the defendant's HD BEFORE it entered police custody. We depend on the officer's testimony that nobody else had access to the machine before it was examined.
An officer's taste in music or clothing are largely irrelevant, but if he's up for a jobb with an employer that has a strong interest in how the evidence plays out in court, it stands to reason that the better it goes for the prospective employer, the happier they will be with the officer and the sweeter the deal he may get. He now has a vested interest in the outcome of the case.
Note that intentional corruption is not necessary for such a vested interest to taint his investigation. The history of science is full of cases where something seemed to be true because we wanted it to be true and that want colored our examination of the evidence in spite of an honest intent. This is especially common in medicine even though human lives depend on correct interpretation of the evidence..
And that expectation leads to blind trust?