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SCO v. Novell Goes to Trial Today In Utah
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "The day many have been waiting for has finally arrived, the day SCO gets torn apart in court by Novell. Each side gets 10 hours, and Novell managed to get them to agree to a stipulation (PDF) that should make things go a lot faster. With any luck, we will soon have an official ruling that SCO does not own much of anything and then we just have to wait for SCO to exhaust its appeals. This would've been over a long time ago, but SCO filed for bankruptcy on the eve of trial, stopping the clock. One can only wonder what trick they will try to pull this time."
SCO dies, Microsoft's revenue is down, and even the weather is nice.
OS X is Unix, but Linux is not Unix! That does not make any sense!
Why? After having seen one decision after another AGAINST SCO, how anything resembling investment money still flowing to SCO? Are these investors so over-powered with greed that they are failing to use common sense? Why? Why? Why? Somebody with no common sense needs to explain this to me.
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I doubt I have ever seen the random /. quote ever be more appropriate:
"If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error."
Yeah, that about sums it up.
Proudly supporting the Libertarian Party.
but George H. W. Bush is on a speaking engagement today. Try back tomorrow.
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Is there a "-1, Get a new troll-bot" mod?
"I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
That's what *I'm* waiting for.
They called me a criminal for using Linux.
I'm calling them criminals for running an extortion/stock pump and dump/fraud scheme.
They were wrong. I'm not. When will the SEC finally put these all hat, no cattle rustlers behind bars?
Oh, and by the way, if you had the UNIX copyrights, why did you insist on asking Novell for them - repeatedly?
Bunch of lying scumbag bastard pricks - every single supporter of this fiaSCO. (Yes, that includes you, too, Rudy de Haas. Fucking asshat.)
Summon the Kracken!
Yaaaay.
Digging up Johnny Cochran might do it.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Fuck SCO for being SCO. Fuck Novell for their bullshit Microsoft patent deals.
The SCO story was much more fun back when we still didn't know how it would end up.
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This is like having the scene from Cliff Hanger protracted out for 5 hours on screen! Why doesn't SCO just realize there is no hope for rescue and let go already?!? Half of the battle is knowing when you have been beat, walking away and licking your wounds to come back another day...or not.
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BSD is Unix.
Linux is not BSD.
Q.E.D.
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"Ladies and Gentleman of the supposed court, I know my clients lawsuit has been rendered ashes by you fine people; but you see here this is Chewbacca..."
...in bed
GOD DAMN IT! Look, mods, when someone posts a link to a fucking virus "offtopic" is NOT sufficiant. The object or moderation isn't just to make the comment invisible and take away karma. It's to let the rest of us know WHY it's a bad post.
Jesus, as bad as the comment was, the moderation was just as bad.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
Yes, they're bastards. Anybody still convinced that the executroids at SCO actually lost anything - and don't say "their self-respect", because obviously . . .
I thought OS X was only half Unix (an unholy chimera consisting of BSD parts fused to parts of Mach). Although suppose that it does use BSD basic commands such as ls and friends, so I suppose it could be argued that it's derived from Unix.
SCO is still there? Didn't the judge pull out a revolver at the last hearing and shoot their office holders and lawyers all dead? I'm pretty sure he did. I can even remember everyone clapping.
Even between consenting adult ducks?
...and despite the fact that this is going on in a federal court, the fact that it's happening in Utah means that the side that wins will be the one that has the greatest potential for circulating the largest amount of dollars within the state's economy as a result of the trial's outcome. And today, that party would be Novell.
Stipulations happen in every trial. Nothing out of the ordinary there. And if you read it, all it concerns is procedural aspects of the trial.
Back when I first heard that SCO was taking on IBM claiming IP and patent infringement and what-have-you, I knew for certain they'd just cut their own throat (assuming the didn't change tack at some point - and they haven't).
I would have loved to short their stock then, but alas I was in grad school and didn't have the cash available. Too bad. Based on a rough guess of when that was, and todays quote of $0.18 per share for SCOX, I'd have made about ten bucks a share.
Interesting is in this trial SCO is the defendant and Novell is the claimant. I thought it was SCO who is suing everyone.
It looks like via the stipulation and the way the trial is organized that SCO expects to lose. It appears that Novell simply wants to assert its claim to UnixWare and SCO is ready to close up shop. That's why the stipulation and the short trial and the fact that SCO isn't going to call up witnesses.
And no, "corporate shell gets disassembled by cheated creditors while the criminals in charge of it get away" is not a happy ending. That's an improvement over the ridiculous threats they were making to scare off Linux interest and lure in Microsoft "investment" money, but a real happy ending for the SCO scammers would involve more pitchforks and fire.
OSX is a Mach kernel with a BSD *personality*.
The summary is a little misleading. The judge *already* ruled that SCO Group does not own much of anything, including the UNIX SYSV copyrights, in a summary judgment motion last year.
The biggest issue remaining to be resolved by this trial is how much of the "license" monies given to SCO Group by Microsoft and SUN were for that which SCO Group had no right to license (SYSV), and how much was for SCO Group's product. Given the non-dizzying speed at which SCO's products have been improved and maintained, Novell argues that the vast majority of those millions was due to Novell.
In the mean time it has been entertaining to read the SCO Group's arguments for why they should keep the money to which they have no right, or at least how they should not be required to turn the swag over to Novell. As if our opinion of them could have previously been lower.
Anyone got any ideas what's gonna happen when SCO are nothing but a bad smell? Are we gonna see other unices opened up? I'd like to have Irix on laptop... just 'cos I can (er... if I can, that is).
Actually, OS X 10.5/x86 is UNIX, according to the Open Group, who owns the UNIX trademark. ;)
> With any luck, we will soon have an official ruling that SCO does not own much of
> anything...
Kimball ruled that SCO does not own the SysV copyrights last year. This trial is about how much of Novell's money SCO pocketed when they sold SysV licenses to Sun and Microsoft without Novell's permission. The case will then go back to the bankruptcy court where Judge Gross will decide what to do about it. Note that this trial is about how much of Novell's money SCO took, not whether or not they did so. The latter has already been decided.
If Kimball awards more than a small fraction of the $37M maximum (likely) it is hard to see how SCO can avoid Ch. 7 liquidation.
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No one has invested in them in years. They have floated several "rescue" schemes since they filed fo Ch. 11 bankruptcy last year but all have fallen through at the last minute.
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Does SCO ask to convert to Chapter 7 next Monday or Not?
My guess is that they will, because converting to Chapter 7 following the ruling against them shows "good faith" and keeps Darl and Co. out of jail.
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But *BSD isn't? I think all that means is Apple was happy to pay for the certification whilst *BSD wasn't
Do you perhaps believe that a virus is ON topic?
"Pursuant to Article iii, subsection 9a, we hereby order a complete seizure of all cranial assets to be delivered forthwith"
"oh, gee, your Honor, but we can't possibly tell you how important this is, because the details are covered in national security directives. you'll just have to trust us."
at which point the judge should pull out a gun and shoot 'em.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Is anyone live-blogging the trial?
> The biggest issue remaining to be resolved by this trial is how much of the "license" monies given to SCO Group
:)
Right, these are what SCO doesn't own. Sorry for the confusion
- I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property
I believe that OS X Server has been declared Unix not leopard itself. (could be 10.5 server I'm not certain)
investments for income tax purposes BUT they're not allowed to just set fire to some money (that's illegal.)
So they "invest" it in sure-fire money losers.
Derle is like Bush in that respect. He can take any investor onto a road mined with IEDs.
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Nothing gets repossessed except with the approval of the bankruptcy court. Once SCO v. Novell is settled, it is likely that the bankruptcy court will place Novell ahead of the banks in line for what little assets remain.
Is 10.5/PPC not?
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http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm
I would say no, there's no corresponding UNIX 03 certification for 10.5 on PPC.
Very interesting!
Thank you so much.
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SCO dies, Microsoft's revenue is down, and even the weather is nice.
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Also I see in the link that Novell is the plaintiff, and SCO the defendant. Does that mean that SCO dropped its claims? And what are the chances that SCO is fined out of existence?