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Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Released
BrianGKUAC writes "Fedora 9 has been released as of 10 AM Eastern Time this morning. Release notes can be found here. Some of the more interesting new features include a new package management system, which can be used as an alternative to pup and pirut, known as PackageKit. This release also includes GNOME 2.22 and/or KDE 4.0.3, and Firefox 3 beta 5. Overall, there are a lot of improvements worth looking at, and the Bittorrent seeds are already feeding the release fairly effectively."
What smell is that? :p
- Uses seeding with openssl
PackageKit is actually a just a tool which sits on top of yum and does not replace it. It does replace pup and pirut though.
See PackageKit site of the release notes.
Mouse powered Chips, Open source Processors and Lego
PackageKit is only a front-end over yum (or any other backend), it does not replace it.
1. Fedora is not a production OS
2. FF3 is due out in the near future, so F9 will have the current release then, as opposed to the old version 2.
download pegged at 892KBps. An hour to snatch the DVD ISO!
SEED, you bums! SEED!
This is sure to be a stinker of a release...
Sorry couldn't resist...
*waits for -1 mod points*
I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long, with Konsole as my terminal. I tried the preview release of Fedora 9 and found
that the new Konsole - has less features!
The buttons for quickly closing/opening a tab are gone. Right-clicking on tabs is gone. The ability to send input to all tabs
is completely gone, not even accessible through menus.
These are features I use every day while working on servers. KDE4 adds a lot of eyecandy (and a Vista-style 'start menu' - ick),
but why remove useful functionality?
Firefox 3 is set to be released in June, the next Fedora release will be much later, the same decision was made with Ubuntu Hardy which is a LTS release so it would make some sense to have the latest browser version as it's not too far from the actual release date for FF3. but assuming you don't like FF3, there is nothing stopping you from installing FF2 instead, your FF profile works fine on both anyway.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
Rule 38: Don't nickname your product after something really stinky.
Asses are for crapping, not screwing.
preupgrade also 'works' if you want to skip the usual download iso, burn image to DVD, upgrade from DVD scheme.
I say 'works' because mine is in process and not completed yet. So I don't know if I'll have a Fedora 9 box when it's done, or a mangled Fedora 8 box.
I bought myself a second hand Samsung ML-2510 printer that Samsung touted as "supported" under some Linux kernel version and later.
I connect power cables, power it up and connect it via USB expecting some prompt but nothing! I check....nothing!
I attempt to use the included driver CD-ROM, so I load it, and nothing happens. This is as disturbing as it is amazing in this USB 2.0 world. Not being timid, I fire up the terminal, navigate to /mnt as suggested by Samsung and I see nothing in there! I note that Samsung might have made a mistake so I navigate to the actual device and there, I see some files. I follow the directions as if I were at /mnt earlier suggested by Samsung and the system fires up some "error 2. Unexpected end of command."
Not really being a Linux newbie, I fix that error and the system then complains of missing SANE, Ghostscript and CUPS packages. I install two of them and on trying again, the system complains of a wrong SANE version.
I then do what I will call an update via YUM to install the latest SANE then I try again. I succeed this time but my printer, which is still powered and connected, cannot be found on any usb ports! Restarting the system did not help at all!
What bothers me are the Linux zealots who think Fedora and Linux are doing wonders in today's world. If I were working on that "other" platform, I would not need any software downloads whatsoever, and the printer would be churning out print work in less than 12 seconds.
Guys, it's [still] pathetic in the Linux world and progress is very very slow. As usual, people are going to blame the distro in question as if that helps mitigate the problem Linux faces.
My verdict on the released Fedora will be out by the end of this week. I hope I will be [pleasantly] surprised.
I can live with the beta Firefox, but the fact that they are using a beta XORG has put a kink in my plans to upgrade to F9 because NVidia doesn't have drivers ready. I'm anxiously awaiting this situation to be resolved. In the meantime I'll stick with F8 which is very stable at the moment.
This was the feature I was waiting for, was hoping to hear more about it when Fedora 9 was released.
The article (or snippit) says Fedora 9 has kernel based mode setting..
http://www.osnews.com/story/19661/A_Preview_of_Kernel-Based_Mode-Setting
Anyone test it yet?
My best feature is the slider to change font size "in real time". You move the slider and see the effects immediately. I love this. Your issue will be addressed in KDE 4.1, so be patient. In the meantime, submit those bug reports. KDE unlike the other environment, does not suck big time.
Fedora 9 is also one of the first linux distributions (along with Ubuntu) to include OpenJDK. Fedora also includes Netbeans.
They moved from IcedTea, which was based on the upcoming java7 to the stable java6 release. Looks like some of the stuff in IncedTea made it into OpenJDK 6.
Open Source Java DAO Generator
What I would really like to be able to do is to build my own custom spin of Fedora 9 from within my Fedora 8 setup. It's seems wasteful to have to install a new distribution before I can build a custom spin of it. There doesn't seem to be a reason that they couldn't publish sufficient updates to 8 to allow this to work. Basically, it should only require installing new comps files and anaconda packages on 8 with maybe updates to Revisor. Everything else gets pulled off of the internet.
It is not Fedora's fault that Samsung has such crappy driver support.
You never even mentioned if you tried another distribution. Did you? Did you determine whether it's a Fedora issue or a CUPS issue? Did you file bug reports?
Anyone who complains about Linux problems but does not fill out bug reports is just an asshat as far as I am concerned. You are willing to leech from the efforts of others but you are not willing to make a contribution when the opportunity is right in front of you. Blah.
This particular printer was also advertised as having OSX driver support, but the driver is not available in the US unless you lie to their web site and tell them you are from Australia. Tell Samsung to get off their butts and make sure their printers work right in Linux AND OSX.
I currently have LinuxMint on my Dell d830 laptop, but tried bringing up Fedora 8 on it the other day. However, following explicitly the directions for using bcm43xx-fwcutter, using the firmware file that I was using with LinuxMint, it kept telling me that it would not work.
Is 9 going to be any better or what? I have used RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.2, 6.0-CORE and 7.2 in the past, and quite frankly I prefer that setup to the Debian variaty (despite my nickname, RH 5.2 was the most pleasant OS experience I have ever had. I did cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.8 and am quite fond of the *BSDs though).
Its erally a hassle because the apartment that I live at right now gives free wifi, but I don't have hard ethernet to plug into in order to sort things out like I wish I could.
Fedora 9 will not install on certain Samsung hard disks.
If your hard disk has a "/" character in its model name as reported through the ATA interface then Anaconda will fail. The Python error message reads like "ends with '/' and is not just '/'" and the kernel halts.
I have a very standard desktop Dell Optiplex that has one of these hard disks, model number "SAMSUNG HD080HJ/P".
The "/" character kills the installation.
So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.
Kriston
I"m planning on putting FC9 on a machine, FC9 has Pulse Audio http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview, I'm not certain about it on a 64bit machine. I've gotten Adobe Flash to work on my Arch Linux machine using Nspluginwrapper. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Flash_on_Arch64 The Arch Linux Wiki says there might be trouble with Pulse Audio and Flash. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio Anybody try Adobe Flash+Nspluginwrapper+x86_64+PulseAudio? How'd it go?
It looks as though the ATI drivers aren't available from livna yet either. I think I'll hold off until they're ready. I like Fedora, but it can be a little too cutting edge sometimes.
...and Linux kernel was replaced by Gnome.
If you open yourself to the foo, You and foo become one.
Why not error on the side of stability then, and ship Firefox 2. For everyone who really needs to have Firefox 3, they are free to install it themselves.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
It's been a long time since I've heard any excitment about Fedora. The Linux buzz has moved on while RedHat lives in it's own little world, no longer cutting edge and as stuffy as Microsoft...
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
1. Fedora is not a production OS
And yet, I use Fedora in every day life, as if it was a production OS. Fedora does contain a lot of bleeding-edge code, and I reinforce upon that matter by compiling software from svn repos and installing that software on it. Funny thing though, it never crashes.
Why is it so common nowadays for linux distributions to include *BETA* software (as complex as a browser can be) in their releases?
:)
Sure, there can be some heavily tested and simple programs left as beta, but firefox? The web browser is a heavily used and substantial tool these days..
Firefox 3 Beta 5 takes my CPU usage to 100% easily, while firefox 2.x does not.
is it so hard to stick with stable, tested software ? bleeding edge is not always better.
Not to speak of KDE 4.0
Firefox...Sulphur... ...Yup, this release is going to bomb
Because FF3b5 is much more stable than FF2. plus as somebody else pointed out its not a production OS.
IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
And if Red Hat follows their established pattern, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 will be based on Fedora 9.
Well going to have take the LiveCD for a test drive and see how Fedora 9 is. I also found out the Linux Mint 5.0 Beta 1 is out (here are the screen shots of that system) which I also plan on downloading and testing out.
But currently Firefox 3 is still in Beta, and now they will have to support that. Also, who's to say that Firefox 2 won't be supported in 3 years. Firefox 1.5 is still being supported. For that matter, who's to say that Mozilla will even be supporting Firefox 3 in 3 years?
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I thought the name Sulphur was kind of... lame, so I decided to see what the name was about. The truth is, it was the least bad of all the names voted upon.
The logic behind it is thus:
Some more suggestions
"sulphur"
"mayonaisse"
(like werewolves they react badly with silver)
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01194.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names
The other options were:
vote_count , name
62 , Sulphur
54 , Bathysphere
43 , Chupacabra
39 , Mayonnaise
32 , Dragicorn
29 , Woodwose
23 , Tourette
13 , Asperger
13 , Barmanou
10 , Chingachgook
6 , Kingsport Town
5 , Marfan
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-January/msg00012.html
One thing which the Ubuntu and Fedora releases show is that having regularly scheduled releases does not always work out for the best. Both have shipped with a primary browser still in beta (FF3 is a big leap ahead, but it still has some issues to be shaken out), and Ubuntu will be doing long-term support for an outdated GCC version which misses out on a lot of improvements while Fedora uses a brand new .0 compiler. Seems like both projects might have had better releases a month or so later.
maybe as opposed to 10 AM Eastern Time yesterday morning?
installed fedora 8 a few weeks ago. guess i'll have to recompile my kernel if it's a new one, not sure since I haven't checked if it is 2.6.24 or not. i guess it's a good thing i'll most likely forget to do it for another month and wait for some new packages to appear.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. indymedia
Mozilla stopped supporting Firefox 1.5 in May 2007- 7 months after 2.0 was released. I'd imagine support for the 2.0 branch may be a bit longer than that but it certainly wouldn't be more than a year. FF3 may not be supported in 3 years but by the time it isn't getting security updates from Mozilla Hardy Heron will be close to EOL anyway.
Still a bad idea, isn't there still a know bug that totally breaks the Firebug console? Hope no web developers are using it.
While no plans have been announced, I've heard that basing EL 6 on Fedora 9 or even 10 is unlikely. Look for EL 6 to be based on Fedora 11 or 12.
It looks EL 5 will be enjoying a very long lifetime as the platform of choice for EL shops. I'm happy with that.
Sulpher Stinks! Phew
... otherwise they will be forced to gulp install a previous version! The horror!
Er, Peter, would you like to see my copy of RHL 4.something with a proprietary X server on it? I believe it was something like MetroX. Netscape 4 was also available as part of RHL for a while (looks like at least 6 and 7).
Not saying this to attack RH; their distros are the only ones I ever use.
Because as Steve Balmer said last year we should be paying M$ if we dare use a Red Hat distro. So we have to wait until they set the price :-(
Ubuntu and Fedora have update managers. Why not ship Firefox 3 through the update manager in June?
I immediately downgraded to FF2 when I installed Hardy for the same reason I always wait a while for new versions of it to mature: none of my extensions from FF2 work in FF3.
Well, the alternative is to make everyone march to some sort of schedule, which not even Microsoft can do.
The idea of Fedora is to push things along. If you are writing software or need the new features, yay!
If you are more happy with stability, CentOS is what you are looking for. Same stuff, but older and more stable.
I haven't had to recompile a kernel in years! What is your problem?
Without any funny gyrations, either. It just....works!
One thing that was always snappy in GNOME was the scrolling in GNOME terminal. The main improvement when working with AA fonts (and most people are these days) iirc came from using OpenGL. As KDE4 has loads of OpenGL candy, is konsole going to take advantage of OpenGL to speed up its rendering?
Sorry, can't help you. I only buy real drives now.
Why is an obvious pun modded flamebait?
obviously one of the mods doesn't like puns...
Disable the compatibility check in FF3. It'll make most extensions work. The only one I use that doesn't is del.icio.us, which has a beta for FF3 that works like a charm.
The "-1 Redundant" moderation is ironic :-)
Do away with our corrupt tax code. Support the Fair Tax
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
you can do a minimum net install, then install whatever you want (if that is what you are looking for)
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-other-install-methods.html#sn-alt-install-method
No, FC9 Beta was not a production OS.
FC9 final is a production OS.
Production OS != Enterprise OS.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Remember, YouTube no workee, wifey not happy.
Or something like that.
thegodmovie.com - watch it
Yeah, right. I had so many problems with FF3b5 in Hardy Heron that after a fortnight I chucked out the whole operating system and moved to FreeBSD. I wonder how many people have had problems with the Adobe flash plugin in Hardy and how's it working in F9.
Unstable like hell. Do not use it if you're not planning to help with development. It brought down the whole X server when, for example, the swfdec plug-in crashed (which was often). Basically it felt like any crashing application could crash X along with it. I tried it on a laptop with a X3100.
Fedora 9 kernel on first boot crashes hard. Bunch of errors over three pages long. Fedora 8 worked fine. Anybody else run into this?
My wife also runs Fedora (8) on her laptop. I turned it into a dual-boot XP-Fedora box awhile back, and at first she never touched the Fedora side. Over time, it shifted, and now she's in Fedora 99% of the time (Windows only to update the ol' iPod). She also is in a no way a developer, and still knows little about the CLI and how to use it, but hey, it's a start.
--"insert clever quote here"
The changes in NetworkManager are quite nice.
It now picks up EVDO/CDMA cards and will seamlessly connect you to the best medium available on the fly.
It also features a GUI similiar to Windows display properties where you can easily manage multiple monitors and resolutions without the need to run xrandr by hand or fiddle with xorg.conf
Have a squat over at the hobo house.