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Why OLPC Struggles Against Educators, Big Business
afabbro writes "The current issue of BusinessWeek has an expansive article of the history of OLPC and why it has, to date, been a flop. Among the reasons: no preparation for the educational systems expected to use it, uncertain pedagogical theories, poor business management, competition from Microsoft/Intel, and no input from education professionals in designing the software. As BusinessWeek quotes one educational expert, 'The hackers took over,' and the applications are too complex for children to use. To date, 370,000 laptops have been shipped — a far cry from the original 150 million planned to be shipped by end of 2008."
In the book "The IBM Way" i read something along the following lines: we must control change, or change will control us.
I think the intent of the OLPC is good, and there are tangential benefits to such a program, however I think this justifies all the people that in the beginning asked one simple question: Why?
... well, not how things work really.
If you have a better way to build a mousetrap, build it and see if people will buy it. Trying to tell them they need it before you build one is
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As soon as i read that article a while back about the guy who complained there wasn't a decent distribution system in place I knew it was doomed.
Hackers like to think they can do everyone's job better even if it way out of their scope. I guess that's the difference between hackers and engineers, engineers understand that it takes managers, PHB's, marketing, sales, and production staff to make it work. Hackers think it just takes code.
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If you let the IT folk articulate the business process, you're going to get the same exact thing. That's why we have business analysts whose job it is, ostensibly, to figure out what the business people want and translate it into a swiss army knife that's going to be wildly popular and successful.
To not involve educators in the requirements building phase of this was doomed to the same failure. The problem is that it is visible to more people, sad to say.
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Yes, the OLPC is useless as a computer for a geek. Fair enough, it wasn't designed to be a computer for a geek. It was designed to be a learning (not teaching, learning) tool for a child. That's a completely different thing. And oddly, I notice that all the reports of actual children being handed an OLPC without any instruction or guidance seem to end with the child being entirely comfortable with it, having no problem figuring it out, and generally out-running the adults when it comes to using the thing. They even pick up the networking parts of it naturally. Yes, children are in fact smarter than most adults like to believe.
Just a suggestion, but maybe using 3rd world children to carry out jihad against the technology industry isn't a great plan.
OLPC had a good mission when they wanted everything on the system to be fully open source, with simple point and click applications and the ability to view the source of any application. However then they got into talks with microsoft, and started to include some very complicated applications with their product, and their mission kind of went down the crapper
His teacher had told the class to search the Internet for information
on the environment, but the boy was stumped. "I was trying, but I couldn't
find anything,"
What the boy didn't know, was the rest of his classmates *did* find something and
the classroom immediately erupted in a resounding "RTFM!" in response, showing
proof that children in developing nations can at least find Slashdot.
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Yep, the kids learn the OLPC just fine. The question remains whether the kids will learn anything else from it. In Negroponte's vision, his educational methodology seems to be "and then some magic happens".
Who says it's a failure? Just because there aren't more people willing to donate a rather expensive bit of hardware during rough economic times doesn't mean the design is bad. There will be one geeky kid in each group who will figure it out and show the rest. As for input from education professionals, I can't imagine a more counterproductive thing to do.
This article seems short of facts and long on assumptions.
So that is what the ??? in the profit meme stands for!
1. Do something.
2. Do something else.
3. "and then some magic happens"
4. Profit!
Oh dear, it seems what we have here is yet another slide towards the desire to forget computings hacker origins.
I was at a Microsoft presentation once where the speaker said Microsoft were not interested in hiring 'hackers', they wanted serious programmers. The concept didn't impress me then, and it doesn't now.
Doing away with hackers will have the effect of homogenising the industry. Guess what tho, not every country thinks this way, some developing nations will look at the stagnant 'hacker free' computing industry and destroy it in a matter of years by producing more innovative products.
I mean innovative in the real sense, not in the bland 'keynote speech soundbite' sense.
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I have a friend who is a serious geek, who was once behind some of the major open source projects many of us now use daily, who has an OLPC and loves it. It's not her primary computer, but she never intended it to be, and for the purposes she bought it for, she is very pleased with it.
I agree with you in observing that all the published commentary so far has indicated strongly that children seem very happy with and comfortable with the OLPCs, so the claim that they're too complex for children to use is highly questionable. I have a feeling that "they don't work because the team didn't take input from education professionals" actually translates to "education professionals are rejecting the OLPCs whether or not the computers and software are good because they didn't get to push the development team around."
Remember, contemporary education processes are all about complying with some ideology of how teaching should be done, not about actually successfully teaching kids.
At least don't keep modding this tired, old and long debunked meme up. OLPC is NOT aimed at places with current food/water/shelter shortages. It is aimed at developing countries, not undeveloped countries. Think of many south American countries as perfect targets. They have solved the basic problems of food, water, shelter and education. This project will move education on to the next level.
How can people, especially on slashdot (where this has been thrashed out countless times before), keep remaining so wilfully ignorant of the goals of this project?
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The most interesting thing is that the one non-critical voice mentioned in the article (the Peruvian schools using the laptops) is the only voice which seems to have actual experience using the laptops. That seems to me to be a very good sign that those who are shouting so loud aginst it are reading from Microsoft publicity briefings and not from reality. Negroponte's comment that he is acting like Greenpeace lying down with Exxon is kind of telling. If MS is the one responsible for making computers bad for education then working with them really is like working with the devil. Anything you do will be twisted againt you.
It seems to me that OLPC packed those tiny laptops with some really nifty features and some kinda neat pieces of software. Problem is, how do you integrate these devices into curricula? How do you prove to teachers that integrating these devices into curricula is beneficial? How do you adapt these devices to the multitude of curricula in many different locales and cultures? The intent of the project is pure, but sometimes seems somewhat boneheaded. This initial flop comes with little surprise. I hope the project can adapt to maximize the benefits for all parties involved. This will have to include much more conversation between the intended user base and the producers. There really can't be a one size fits all solution for the third world's educational needs. One size fits all solutions just don't exist. I have yet to find a good baseball cap that stays on my head ;-).
I think the reason is that the OLPC was always a solution in search of a problem. It started out as "lets make a cheap laptop".
It didn't start out as someone going to schools and asking the people what they needed. It seems like the most reasonable course of action for a project like this is:
1. Go to the schools and listen.
2. If you still think that computers are the solution, bring some expensive ones into some places as a pilot project
3. If that is proven, then remove functionality from the expensive ones until they operate like the cheap ones
4. If they still prove useful then maybe decide to make the cheap ones
Did this happen? If it did and the cheap ones worked in prototype form but not in their final form, then the OLPC's problems can probably be solved. If not, then it was probably doomed from the start.
The "do something I think is cool and see if people like it" plan of action tends to lead to disappointment when people don't like it. The likelihood of disappointment is proportional to how cool you think the project is.
If you donated $150 per child to each of these classrooms, would they automatically use the money for OLPC laptops? What if they could get real, full-scale laptops and support discounted to $150? Would they buy them? My guess is that the answer is no in most cases. They'd buy the things they need instead.
Well said! OSS zealotry is one of the most retarded trends I've ever seen in the geek community, and hurts us all greatly.
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Educational software is hard to write. Really hard. Except for very well defined skills, like typing or flying an aircraft, most educational software doesn't help much.
The OLPC should come with one or two really, really good applications for teaching reading or arithmetic, ones smart enough to self-adjust to the user's level and move them forward. That alone would justify the thing.
Speaking as one whose taught for years, your comment is insightful:
To not involve educators in the requirements building phase of this was doomed to the same failure
Part of the problem may have been that the folks running the show often were "educators" (professors and such), but not of their target audience. Teaching at the K-12 level is not at all the same as teaching undergraduates and graduates at MIT. They certainly should have brought in experienced actual teachers from the K-12 (or K-6) level they wanted to reach.
But this comment from the summary is appallingly clueless or mendacious:
Among the reasons [for failure]:...uncertain pedagogical theories...and no input from education professionals in designing the software.
Anyone who has actually taught knows that "pedagogical theories" and "education professionals" (e.g. those who graduate with PhDs in education, as opposed to PhDs in the subject they teach) are worse than useless, that such things are responsible for half the time-wasting if not counter-productive garbage that clogs the educational system, total sidewalk-supervising theoretician castles-in-the-air bullshit.
Indeed, I bet the OLPC people had some nifty "pedagogical theories" -- you might say the whole concept of the OLPC is a major pedagogical theory itself ("give them computers and they will learn!"). The problems the OLPC people are having ironically self-illustrate the uselessness of "pedagogical theories" constructed in the absence of pedagogical experience.
>and the applications are too complex for children to use.
That line makes me want to say 'fuck you'. The idiots here aren't the children nor the hackers, that much I'm sure of. If I could figure out the C64 [mostly] on my own in a world where there was no 'world wide web' at my fingertips, and adults would go 'compute-what?', I'm sure today's kids will do alright with these computers.
I guess the upside is that even if this guy stood up before 100 children and told them the machine is too hard for them to use, if 99 of them would be naive enough to believe him, there would be that one kid thinking 'oh yeah? This is so on'.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
It was predictable enough, and many of us did point out the terribly obvious flaw in the OLPC plan -- that people experiencing shortages in food, potable water, basic shelter, education facilities, farmable land, etc, etc, need those survival basics covered far more than they need a laptop. I still don't really see how this was not obvious to Negroponte et al.
Well, you see, there is this gigantic group of people who aren't experiencing shortages in food, potable water, basic shelter, etc etc etc. People who've got the survival basics covered, yet are still extremely poor. They are the target market for this laptop.
This isn't for that tragic starving child with no clothes no food no medicine and flies all over his body that you see on those interminably long "Christian Children's Fund" commercials. This is for his distant neighbor 6000 miles away who lives in a home, on a farm, enjoying a meagre lifestyle, while the children work on the farm, or the local mine, or pick fruit, or help chop down the nearby rainforest for additional income. This is for them.
There are lots of countries who have met the basic requirements for survival, but who lack the infrastructure and wealth we enjoy in 1st world countries. This is for them.
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Since you mention engineers, I'll start with them. I've seen a lot of code written by engineers, and it's been uniformly horrid. Many schools still teach FORTRAN as their first/main language. Good god.
I see a lot of code written by scientists. Not one would think of letting an untrained programmer run their wet lab assays, but they think nothing of having graduate biologists write their programs. Guess what, it's even worse than engineer code!
In an ideal world, we'd all farm out the stuff we're not good at to people trained to do it. I'm not holding my breath...
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I have an XO - It has lots of flaws.
But my son loves it, he's 6 and he loves playing sim city, even when I point out that his city has zero population and he clearly does not know what tax is. He will learn about taxes all too soon and in the mean time, he will learn about computing organically. I'm pleased that he has a chance to do so without being force fed "only one way to do things".
And I'm sure the kid who thought the internet was inside the OLPC has learned a lot through having an XO too.
Would there even be a classmate PC if not for XO. Would classmate have been as good as it is if XO and the new OLPC had not pointed the way for how all of these devices could be better. Will the next generation of XO and classmate and ee-whatever be better yet next time around. YBY sweet fat A.
Seems to me that Negroponte has achieved a great deal, and I suspect that there's a lot more to come and that the children are the winners.
I and many believe firmly that widespread education is a dire need as well as sustenance, and that the former could help provide the latter in years to come.
I wouldn't write Negroponte or OLPC off yet, the OLPC foundation (and the Intel classmate team, for what they do) has my sincere thanks.
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I've reviewed the details of the Sugar UI and the apps that come with Sugar, and I was struck by the fact that every effort has been made to make the operation of the programs simple and intuitive. There's clearly a lot of usability design in there.
I think the problem is that the OS UI, and the Apps, are new and different. I think the adults evaluating this are stuck in old ways of thinking. They learned computers on Windows, and Windows and Windows app ui conventions are just how it should be, dammit. Anything else is scary and complex, from their solidified-brain perspective.
People aren't willing to give something new (and yes, pretty much objectively better) a chance.
It's the old "we haven't changed anything, and we're not dead yet, so why change something now"
conservative viewpoint.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
from the santa-is-not-a-capitalist dept.
Funny that they refered to Santa Claus. When some journalist asked Carlos Slim if he was planning to donate some of his money, he answered that he did not want to go like santa claus just giving away money, but that he prefered to invest in developing specific programs for the integral development of people.
That is what makes a businessman succesful I guess... the OLPC guy just thought that throwing a bunch of cheap and durable computers to kids would make them learn... but they did not really thought about integral programs (and not talking about "computer programs" but real ones) in which this XO toy could be used...
Now, any government who wants to invest in them needs to find a reason to do it. Before that, the relevant development programs must be implemented, and I think the governments that could benefit won't go as far as creating their own programs (due to the lack of interest, money or will)
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The root cause of that is those people's fixation with destroying Microsoft, which is not about to happen any time soon.
If instead they spent their time and energy promoting what is good about their software (and not treat it as a pseudo-religion to which everyone must convert or die), things would be very different.
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Hrm... that goes right with 42 = 6 * 9 for meme-ness.
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Please point out what makes it arrogant, and back up your opinion with a little more than a statement if you're going to post. I actually agree with GP (to some extent) that educational professionals wanted to voice some opinion in the development that it was THEIR product in some way. You tend to back up a product at a company if you work on it in some way and make a contribution, it gives pride (otherwise you wouldn't touch it for a good reason and bash it). People are always proud of their work, even though they may have very negative feelings of who they work for.
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The work by "Hackers" was a huge success. Take a look at the number of UMPC's that will ship in the next 3 years. Tens or hundreds of Millions.
Yep, the work they dreamed up will sweep the world in ways they did not envision.
As far as the "failure" of the OLPC to sell in the millions.
1. A lot of money was being spent by MS and Intel to sink it.
2. It is hard to get $$$ out of many third world countries without graft.
3. It is hard to scale up the distribution and services side of an organization. 0-150 million in a few years is almost impossible on a shoestring budget.
Then, these problems are compounded by the unwillingness to gain volume by selling at retail. Then, they tick off the hardest core supporters by embracing MS.
Yep, this thing will tank.
I guess I'm curious why you say linux is having trouble catching on. Users usually don't have to fuck with linux - but they do use the window manager and/or desktop environment via X11. I don't see you playing around with the NT kernel.
At least with windows pcs you get a universal system that is relatively friendly to new users and can be made for only a couple hundred bucks - Asus and all its ilk. The real question I propose to you, AC, is to answer what is on the Windows shell environment that desktop environments & WMs KDE,GNOME, etc don't have that seems to win over the users? The answer is in the abundant sales of linux minibooks - in otherwords - nothing. (Also, the start menu icon in vista doesn't say "start" anymore).I think the reason you see windows as easier and more friendly has to do with the same reasons why children have no problem catching on to OLPCs interface, and why adults who have never touched a personal computer in their lives have no issues either. The same reason why the archaic computer scientists were afraid to move a mouse around with their hands, they simply weren't open to a new computing environment, yet ones with a fresh open mindset were. Next time you use another OS, use it with an open mind. Then you might see some of the negatives I an many other people see in Windows.
Sorry about continuing my post this way.
Yes, I believe the OLPC will tank(the product as it exists today), but most of the good will last.
Because the hackers have created this new segment, we will see the cost of components drop lower in the LONG term than even the OLPC project could have done alone.
Because of this new segment, Linux will develop at a faster rate. Bringing additional benefits to the "have not" population that can not afford MS Tools.
Except that the "and magic happens" is actually a fairly routine part of early education. Most kids like to learn, want to learn. It takes the education system several years of intense effort to beat this penchant for learning out of most kids. You may have to teach the kid how the card catalog in a library works, but once you do he'll cheerfully get together with a bunch of his friends and organize finding all they need to know for the essay assignments you give them. And probably more, I usually ended up with three or four essays for every assignment I'd been given. You may not even need to teach them how to use the card catalog, I figured out on my own not just the card catalog but how the Dewey numbers on the spines of the books worked (got a lot of teachers mad at me because I was supposed to go to the card catalog, and instead I'd head straight for the section of shelves I knew had the books on the subject I needed and I Wasn't Supposed To Do That and I should Stop That This Instant, Come Back Here And Start Again And Do It Right This Time).
I'm serious. I'm not sure what "learning" the OLPC is trying to get the kids to do?
Learning how something otherwise useless works, is
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The /why/ is curiosity. Kids have lots of it, but you tend to lose it over time as they get slapped in
the hand and get told by adults to get serious. There's no telling to the number of great engineers (or doctors, or artists, or what-have-you) that we missed out due to stifled curiosity.
If you have a better way to build a mousetrap, build it and see if people will buy it. Trying to tell them they need it before you build one isThe OLPC offers unlimited tinkering and very deep and broad educational (education as in building mental models of things and learning to learn, not as in rote memorization) experience for kids, and can help them learn to read and write and communicate and explore the 'net. It is not "a better mousetrap" - there was no mousetrap before, unless you are referring to the school itself as the mousetrap. And OLPC does not intend to displace schools.
Ok, the business model may not be too sound (but the entry of the ClassMate and 3$ Microsoft software bundles can be seen as partial successes - if the goal is affordable computing to 3rd world kids, things look much brighter than a few years ago). Yes, Negroponte is not a finance magician, and I guess he has learnt the hard way that large corporations do not always place developing nations before shareholder value - that's what PR is for, anyway.
I agree. I think I will start OWSPC - One Wooden Spade Per Child. It's a project that I will start in a poor country to provide wooden spades to rich kids in industrialized nations.
That's adult thinking. What the child's learning is problem-solving, co-operation and collaboration, and how to go about finding answers to questions when you have a question you need an answer for. The OLPC is a tool for doing those things. Hence why most of it's applications network automatically. It's got puzzle games which teach problem-solving. If you're working on a puzzle, all your friends on the network can automatically see (just like they were looking over your shoulder) and you can talk with them to discuss how to solve it, get ideas, everyone can try ideas and everyone can see how they work. And pretty quick they get to "Joban three villages over's really good at these kinds of problems. Let's get him to look at this and show us what we're doing wrong.". Which winds up working a lot better than having an authority figure stand there and lecture at you.
If you think the GP was talking about RMS, you are really confused.
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Thank you for the obvious statement of the day. I hadn't noticed that RMS isn't the only geek on earth. Thanks for pointing this out for me.
The kids don't give a damn what the OS is. Hell, if you had never used a computer before, would you know anything about an 'OS' and its religious wars?
True, some people would like to promote OSS with the OLPC. It turns out that OSS is very customizable and has no licensing costs. So it is not such a dumb thing to do; and it got MS to contribute its apps at huge discounts just to not lose on the PR bandwagon. What's not to like? Affordable computer education for kids?
As long as the technology works and there is no recorded RMS greeting during startup... go Linux!
Hey, that's just a slight rephrasing of Adam Smith's "invisible hand of the market" theory. We have a lot of people here for whom that is a primary religious belief.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Everything should come with a Magic|More Magic switch.
I am very interested in your obvious approach to solve shortages in food, potable water, basic shelter, education facilities and farmable land. Especially if it can solve everything at once, instead of focusing on small, well-defined problems.
Negroponte is not superman - but he has a valid point: kids /are/ the future. And to make the future better, you have to invest in education. If you can get kids to learn autonomously and to use computers - well, you're on your way to helping fix all that long list of shortages when the kids grow up.
> I've long thought that was the original goal, "How many kids can we get to use Linux"
Frankly, I don't understand how you think having MS under the hood of the OLPC would help it be a better educational computer. If you had used one for even 2 minutes you would understand that the end user has no direct interaction with the underlying operating system at all, he is supposed to use the Sugar interface and the applications installed in it by default.
There are plenty of reasons why Linux was a better choice than an MS operating system, but I don't see how "educational indoctrination in Linux use" could be one, since using Sugar has little relation to using Linux with a more common desktop environment like KDE or Gnome. (Note well: I am not claiming that there are absolutely no reasons why using an underlying MS operating system might be better than using Linux. I'm sure if I tried hard enough I could come up with a few of those, also.)
On the other hand, I find it much more likely that we have gained engineers (and doctors and artists and what-have-you) because the kids did get serious. Those professions require more than simple curiosity, they also require a large measure of mental and self discipline. Any fool can ask 'why?'. It takes much sterner stuff to seek the answers and apply them.
Me (obviously!) intentionally misunderstanding the GP is a lot funnier than you assuming that I am a bonehead.
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I find it interesting that you invoke your friends high status - but neglect to tell us exactly what she uses it for that so pleases her. Are we supposed to accept the OLPC is a Good Thing merely because Somebody Important uses it [for some unspecified purpose]?
The claim is not that OLPCs are too complex for children, or that children will be uncomfortable around them - but whether or not children will be able to use them to learn. There's a big difference there.
Yes, but if you live in a rural village in a third world country, how much technology are you surrounded by? Yes, in the first world nations, not knowing how to use a computer is a serious hindrance in the work environment, even if you work at a fast food restaurant. But in the third world, especially in the most rural villages, the technology is, for the most part, primeval. Yes, they're being introduced to technology that is incredibly advanced, but how will this help them in their daily lives? They now know how to run a computer, but it's such a complex piece of technology. If you give someone a wheel, they'll eventually figure out how it works. An automobile is derived from so many other technological discoveries that it's function is inexplicable to people not familiar with it. The XO is an interesting toy, but knowing how to operate one won't really benefit most children in these communities. Knowledge of more sophisticated agricultural practices, or looms, or food storage techniques (canning, dehydration, etc.) would be of greater benefit. Yes, a few poster children will leave their villages, attend university on scholarship, and become scientists, doctors, lawyers, etc... but that involves leaving the village. It would be better if, instead of giving them laptops and teaching them skills that are useful in our culture, we would teach them skills that can make their lives better and improve the lives of the whole village. In the long run, it would help more people if, instead of giving them food or laptops, we would help to teach them the skills that have allowed our culture to create things like laptops.
My experience has been that educators have a HARD time LEARNING things themselves.
I grew up in a cutting edge school district with brand new apple ][+ and later ][e computers. The few faculty who "knew" how to use them were a joke. The kids were largely let loose on logo because the school didn't know how to do anything except 1 teacher could make new logo disks. The kids surpassed the adults in no time and not just in logo, but in general operation of the computers as well. THOSE old computers were technical and geeky and we managed.
Something that doesn't work like Windows for many users appears complex and difficult but it could in fact be easier while being outside their paradigm. I've seen people who claimed to "know" PCs get completely LOST by having a few toolbar buttons moved.
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Nice try for a comeback, but no.
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I don't know why people are surprised. Failure is the norm for utopian pipe dreams, not the exception. Had any significant number of these machines made it to the third world, things would have been even worse. Graft, theft, and the blackmarket would rule the day.
Perhaps it's the cynic in me, but I always saw this project as a rather hare-brained attempt at making MIT significant again the way it had been in it's Project Athena glory years. It's not so much that Negroponte failed to delivery a solution for a given problem, as much as MIT developed a solution no one asked for or wanted.
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care for the 1,826 million children (I have included all of them for simplicity) in the world under the age of fifteen. 150 for each child per annum, the UN could foot the $273,900,000,000 bill from the world gdp of $ 65,610,000,000,000 and still have loads of change. Or perhaps they all really do need a green plastic computer?
We could ask them.
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" OLPC is NOT aimed at places with current food/water/shelter shortages"
You're making too much of a difference between "undeveloped" and "still developing" then, because the later still has those problems in abundance. OLPC may not have been intended for jungle tribes with no housing, but just because it was headed for places where roofs exist still doesn't mean that those places don't have hunger, water quality problems, and economic stagnation. The priority to get those things first still trumps getting a weird laptop to the kids there.
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the article stated:
"In Luquia, Justo Miguel ComÃn, a fifth-grader who is the youngest of seven children of subsistence farmers, was delighted to get his laptop in late April. "I like the math games, and I love the camera," he said two weeks later.
[...]
Yet when BusinessWeek asked her son detailed questions, it became clear he didn't fully understand the computer's capabilities"
--wow... a fifth grader can't completely understand the full capabilities of a new piece of technology in TWO WEEKS. Maybe they should ask him again in two months, or six months.
Heck, my great-grandmother spent her whole life thinking that soap operas on TV were as real as news reports.
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This is also the teachers disease. How does this help them teach? The OLPC concept is, in many ways, antithetical to the way schools operate, at least at Government schools in the United States. They run on an assembly line theory. What is learned is structured. All students do the same thing at the same time and then go on to the next thing. Helping each other is "cheeting" and distrupting class. If a student if faster or slower than the mean they are punished. The OLPC doesn't help the teachers hammer the nails flat.
In many ways the OLPC is an automated teacher, more than a computer/textbook for children. And the teachers and teaching unions realize this. Therefore they have a vested interest in keeping it out of their schools; and by and large they have succeeded at that.
And again, you're missing the point: you don't teach them to use the OLPC. That's why it's UI is such that it mostly doesn't require teaching kids how to use it. And at that age, kids don't need to learn food storage techniques. What they need to learn is how to find out about and learn about food storage techniques. Which is a special case of learning how to find out and learn about anything.
You're demonstrating a dichotomy I've seen a lot in college. Most students would memorize what was taught. In a physics class, they'd memorize the hundreds of formulas for all the different things covered in class. They'd come in to exams with the (allowed) cheat-sheets completely covered in tiny writing. And if a question on the exam involved something they didn't have a formula written down for, they were completely lost. By contrast, me and a handful of others would come in with a 3x5 index card with perhaps half-a-dozen basic equations written on one side. Instead of learning all the formulas for everything, we'd learned how to derive any formula we needed from those basic equations. If a question was on something that hadn't been covered in class, it might take us a few minutes longer to work through to get what we needed but it wasn't a big deal. We'd taken the next step, from learning the formulas to learning why the formulas were what they were.
NB: I think it significant that there was a big psychological difference between the two groups. The majority, the ones who memorized formulas, were literally physically afraid of there being anything on the exam they didn't have notes for. Me, I might be annoyed if I couldn't work out the answer in the time given but the unexpected wasn't anything to be scared of.
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Tax!
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Profit!
So Microsoft decides to "donate" their apps.
Big f*cking deal. They are generic. They have been for
decades. Their primary value is the fact that they are
"compatable".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Yeah... providing me a nice free OS that in some ways is a challenger to the current MacOS was a really dire thing that hurt us all horribly.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Exactly. Any parent knows that for a kid, the kid's question after "Why?" is just "Why?" again. An engineer will ask "why" and, when they get the answer, think "interesting" and add it to their pool of knowledge, looking for an application.
Or to chop it down to something more memorable, the kid asks "why" and follows with "why". The engineer asks "why" and follows with "how?"
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Huh?
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
I really want the OLPC project to succeed, though the switch to a Microsoft OS as a standard install (note: NOT MANDATORY, ONLY STANDARD) has dimmed my enthusiasm some. But in no way that I've seen have they demonstrated the coherent action I would expect of a five person startup in a basement somewhere. This whole project looks to me like a serious case of diffusion of responsibility and ill-defined decision authority.
When that keyboard glitch turned up a while back, they should have been all over the place within days with a clearly written response, complete with Youtube videos and still images on Flickr under every possible keyword. When Intel started pushing the Classmate they should have (as Negroponte now acknowledges) either kept quiet or done a far better job of making their case. And now that the organization has effectively forked, is the Sugar team talking with Asus about a ruggedized version of the EEE running the OLPC OS and software set?
Like or hate Apple, from day one they had their evangelists out there when they were creating the Macintosh and every key related technology. Maybe somebody should send the OLPC folks a few dozen copies of Kawasaki's first book. Hell, maybe Lasermaster still has a few copies of their reissue sitting around.
But even so, let's keep in mind that all they need to do is keep on their current curve for another year or so and, one way or another, the project should be fine. This kind of thing genuinely is non-linear and now that we have several reference specs for UMPCs, at least one of which is open source, maybe the "success" will end up being an ecosystem of several devices created from aspects of several of the current UMPC approaches, running various OSes, that the current OLPC team members will use to carry out programs under different names and different leadership but achieving the original goal. And let's remember that Asus' president said that he was inspired to create his EEE line by the OLPC project, which is itself a certain kind of success that the project has already reached.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
But then the magic goes away...
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I read a case-study of OLPC use in Africa. The most commonly used feature was the camera. Most people had only seen cameras through tourists, and had never self-documented their lives before. People were using the OLPC to blog and take pictures. Maybe it can't run Vista or Half Life 2, but that is quite different from saying the machine is useless. The machine is useless when better alternatives are ubiquitous, such as in the US. In developing nations, the OLPC is quite useful.
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Hey, you must have been reading George Bush's biography! It seems that the only profitable parts of his "business" experience consisted of buddy-buddy dealings with government agencies to channel tax money into support of his businesses. If you're not familiar with the story, look into his dealings with the Texas Rangers, and how they became profitable, at least for Dubya and a few friends, who managed to pocket most of the public subsidies for things like their new stadium.
But this isn't exactly On Topic
Or maybe it is. The OLPC isn't exactly something decided on by its "consumers", i.e., the kids. Like schooling in general, it's accepted or rejected by school administrators and local government burequcrats, and paid for from a mixture of taxes and charitable contributions. The kids, as always, accept the educational tools that are handed to them. So market arguments are fundamentally irrelevant, as there is no "market" at all. Not that this will deter the Adam Smith fans here.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
That's not "OSS zealotry", and you should know it. OSS zealotry is the refusal to use anything except OSS, even when the closed-source alternatives are superior/more cost-effective/whatever. That sort of thinking is the thinking of fools.
"16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
I'm not entirely sure about those two, but as for governments, I'm not sure that I believe that anymore. We've seen an awfully consistent trend of wealthy government/NGO officials saying that they "can't" when what they really mean is "it would be awkward and we just don't do that kind of thing".
Seriously, given the body count in any major famine or disaster or simply grossly poverty-stricken area, there is just as much at stake and on a timescale no longer than Bosnia. That being the case, why the frak aren't we just bloody well making hundreds of thousands of aid packages and just dropping them over every damn starving village? Little packets of not just food, but multivitamins, solar powered minipumps, LED lamps and radios, ceramic filters for water purifiers with instruction in the local language about how to build them, reflective material and frames for building solar ovens, and so on. Maybe even include a stainless steel bowl or three and a few comics in the local language to encourage literacy.
We could fit in a cubic foot enough to change the mortality rate of an entire village. And we could pack it all in another cubic foot of bubble wrap that would let us drop it without parachutes and have the bubble wrap itself (excellent insulation) be a part of the package. And the whole shebang would not only cost a hundred bucks or so per to make, we could have much of it made in factories in the region, providing real jobs doing real work instead of just handing over charity.
I just don't goddamn well believe anymore that if we airdropped a few dozen of them over a village at three in the morning while airdropping liquor and money around the camps of the local thugs, we would still have the same level of suffering that we now see. And having looked into the technology approaches of most of the big charities, I wouldn't put them in charge of speccing a junior high school prom let alone hundreds of millions of dollars worth of projects each.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
If by that you meant $1,100 macbooks, of course I agree. But isn't OS 9 pretty much freeware at this point? Or at least OS 8? Darwin obviously is. I must admit that I keep hoping that some country with none too much concern for IP will start making Mac OS clone laptops with tech circa, oh, 1998, or maybe Palm OS devices circa 2004 and start selling them really cheap.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
And you'll probably make buckets o' money.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
In the 3rd world rural village I lived in (in Eastern Mindanao), the nearest computer access was about 10 minutes down the road by bus, unless the electricity and the telephone line was down.
I'd love to see the kids there given OLPCs. None of the schools have any books to mention and lets face it, books rot quickly in the jungle.
The death of OLPC is obviously Intel and M$'s fault. Executives from both companies derided the device as a "toy" and failure before it was designed and then did everything possible to kill it. Here are the the short version and detailed original accusation stories. Intel kept up the FUD war, destroying sales that had been committed before the device was complete. Their employees even ran a hostile news site to make bad press.
Not true. It "started out" as "how do we distribute information cheaply?" It works very well indeed at that. Among other things, it's a superb ebook reader, which a HUGE thing for kids in a place where they have a massive book shortage.
You, afaict, don't know a damn thing about the OLPC project and even less about project management for this kind of work. Now maybe I'm wrong, I've only worked on a few dozen tech development projects, only a few of which were related to education, but in my world, you start out with whatever cheap crap you can get your hands on, you modify it with stuff that you built yourself to get your proof of principle, and that is how you get your first data. Now, the truth is, I've seen projects done your way (sort of). In fact there are dozens of valid ways to test out a concept and different teams may equally validly choose different approaches.
How about you go off, actually learn something about the OLPC project and the developing world and maybe even learn the idea that maybe the world contains approaches you don't know yet and maybe a thing can be done in ways you're not used to and still be valid and then...
Naw. Go away. You're clueless.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
I also write grants for nonprofit and public agencies, and the third item in this blog post involves some of the research into computers as educational devices. It isn't positive. That doesn't mean someone won't find a way to make computers useful in a statistically significant way, or that the next great hacker with a world changing idea won't get their first computing experience via OLPC or Intel's version or whatever, but it's harder to justify computers en masse without more solid evidence behind it.
I wonder if the problem is more that the educators themselves are unable to use the laptops. I've seen kids play around with new technology and it's astounding how quickly they pick it up.
Middle-aged teachers working in the public schools are another matter altogether.
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Tell me, in what way can you show that the particular money that is being spent on OLPCs would otherwise be spent on health care? Do you say the same thing about the far larger amounts we pay for pet food? Or video games, perhaps? This isn't some sort of tidy little game with a big authority figure offering us one or the other; it's a bunch of folks looking at a world that has hundreds of basic problems and doing their best to address what they can.
And, oh, btw, if you're worried about health care, providing a device that will massively improve education about things like avoiding water contamination (and trust me, I've had to listen to plenty of aid workers who were stymied by the difficulty of teaching that one) will provide at least as much improvement in long-term and even medium term health as would spending the money on, say, sending doctors to treat malaria.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
There are lots of countries who have met the basic requirements for survival, but who lack the infrastructure and wealth we enjoy in 1st world countries. This is for them.
Keep in mind that the reason you've had to keep making this argument again and again is because some people are probably being paid to ignore you and spread FUD. Lowlifes all of them.
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Paid marketers are the worst zealots.
Now stop and reassess what sort of coverage we can expect from them.
And, yes, I did make my living for years working for ad agencies, Time, Inc, McGraw-Hill's magazine division, and various other mass media creating business.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
Personally, I first heard about Intel's tactics in a piece in, of all places, the Wall Street Journal.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
The "magic" for me was learning how to give a good wedgy. I wasn't really sure how, but once someone taught me I got together with a group of my friends cheerfully organized finding the dorks doing extra essay assignments. Boy did we wedgy them good! Of course, my other friend didn't even need to learn how to do a wedgy. Once he figured it out for himself he just started right in on that kid that memorized the card catalog. Boy were the teachers mad. They were all like "You Aren't Supposed To Do That" and "Stop That This Instant".
Won't kids ever learn?
If we are to rationally analyze the success or (comparative) failure of the OLPC, it is crucial to understand that the big NGOs are staffed by people who don't much care about the good of the poor. Many of these people are also vastly corrupt and tied into the regimes they are supposedly working to change; regimes that gain from having desperate, ignorant, weak populaces. Myanmar really isn't that anomalous.
Should the OLPC even try to get computers in through governments or would they be better trying to get the relevant officials bribed to just stand aside? I don't know. But we cannot understand the decisions of nations like Libya and Nigeria without starting with the assumption that the good the children is, at best, fourth or fifth on the list of things they looked at when saying yes or no to OLPC.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
The problem isn't that they applications are too difficult for children to use. The problem is that the application interface is such a departure from what ADULTS are used to. They then map their inability onto kids. Kids are adaptable, after all, and they're not afraid of new things.
If you don't know what you're doing, you can't make mistakes.
C'mon, if there's anything this thread can use it's actual feedback from folks personally using this stuff. Spill.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
You're really terrible at this, aren't you?
They've still got six and a half months to sell the other 149,630,000 laptops.
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OLPC is presently not the resounding distribution success it originally predicted, but it is well on its way to achieving some of its goals. Intel has introduced the Classmate PC as a response to OLPC. Libya chose to distribute that instead. Is that really a loss? How much does it matter if Libyan kids are using Classmate PC instead of OLPC? The ultra-low cost PC market was in part created by OLPC. Microsoft drops the price of its software for poor countries from $150 to $3 to respond to the threat of Linux and OLPC. That is a good thing.
Another thing to understand is that OLPC is not best suited for the very poorest countries. It is better suited for moderately poor countries. Peru, where people generally are not absolutely starving, is a better choice than Haiti.
Bad at patting myself on the back for being obtuse? Not really, more disinterested than anything.
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What you are describing there is called "task-based learning." It's a pretty common pedagogical approach in secondary education, first showing up in medicine and law. The idea is that by intelligently creating a task/project, you can be sure that students will follow a fairly predictable path towards completing it, learning things along the way. The biggest learning advantage to this is that, more than learning how to complete the task, the student learns how to learn how to complete a task.
It seems, however, that in the US educational system anyway, we are moving away from this model, which encourages creativity, self-sufficiency, and autonomy, and toward a "cram for this standardized test" model, like where I live now: Japan. This is a mistake. And that's coming from one of the guys who writes and coordinates a large standardized test!
In the case of the OLPC, this pedagogical concern has been and continues to be at the heart of all the questions about its efficacy as a world-changing tool, whether the critics realize that or not. It has never been clear what one could learn from having a little green typewriter which may not even have internet access.
As an educator, tester, and geek, I have mocked the dunderheaded goodwill of this project from the first time I heard about it. The cry for more computers in the classrooms of the world is very rarely raised by the teachers themselves. Computers are great for education mainly as a means of finding information, and in such a case, the essential ingredient is internet access. Once that requirement is satisfied, any terminal is fine. Beyond this, what is a student to do with a PC? Type? Is this substantially different from writing by hand? No. It's just more convenient.
I have seen it argued that the OLPC project would expand IT/programming to impoverished children and give them a means of developing their economy. Rubbish. I have a master's degree and teach at a university and do statistics-heavy research, but if you handed me an OLPC and said, "your project is to write a program that alphabetizes this list," which--if I remember correctly--was one of the first assignments in my friends' programming classes, I would have no idea of how to even begin. I have done zero programming. I would require some explicit instruction to at least know how to get started. Explicit instruction requires access to a knowledgeable person. If I live in the boonies of Kafoonistan, and I don't speak English, how am I going to get access to such a person? Even if I were to use my OLPC to read up online about how to begin... I don't speak English. How do I learn English? I need access to a knowledgeable person.
You see where I'm going with this.
The OLPC project overlooks the single most important thing to any educational system: People. We learn from other people. I didn't get into stats until I was 30, and I've done a lot of self-study with books to get where I am now, but if I didn't have access to teachers in graduate school and knowledgeable colleagues at work, and the money to take distance courses on some of the arcane procedures and programs I use, I would still be totally in the dark. If I hadn't had a string of great teachers, there's no way I could have learned Japanese.
The OLPC is gadget. It's handy, to be sure, but without the infrastructure--and by that I'm referring both to net access as well as a functioning education system--all it can really be is a toy. Even in your example, the teacher was an important component, if not always a helpful one. He/she would ultimately look at the output you created--the outcome of the task--and tell you whether it was acceptable or not.
This is how we learn. You can't just give people a tool and a task and say "go." Someone needs to show you how to use that tool; someone needs to design that task; someone needs to be available to guide people through it and get them past the bumps in the road; someone needs to tell the student if the task has even been completed.
People really do love to learn. But learning is a social act, even if it's done on the internet. Without people, the OLPC is just a pencil for someone who doesn't know how to read or write.
"the hackers took over?" - what a bunch of molarchy. I and the rest of my generation cut our teeth on Commodore64's and AppleII's. Those had no gui, or wysiwyg tools in the beginning. BASIC was taught in 7th grade as a class! Kid's today don't even have "computer science" class where they actually learn how to use a computer and why it does and how it does what it does. Instead they have "MSFT Office class". As a result they don't know that the Word icon is actually telling the computer to run c:\program files\office\word.exe (for example) so they are stumped when an icon gets deleted and wonder why they get viruses after using KAzaa so much. OLPC is an attempt to go back to really teaching computers. The system isn't "hard" it's just not familiar because we've let MSFT hold people's hand to freaking long which has made us all lapdogs.
Ms apps tend to be a little more intuitive then some Open source apps can be. Sure, if all your use to is a CLI, then any GUI would be difficult to jump into. But for the most part, there might have been something MS could have done better and their name might have promoted more interest in the project leading it to being less of a failure.
But why would one give these kids an assignment to write a program? The assignment's more likely to be "Draw a map of the area around the village.". The OLPC is the tool the kids use to draw the map. And to get all their friends together to help point out landmarks one of them may have forgotten to include, and to argue about where those landmarks are relative to one another. No programming needed by the kids to do that. And yes, you can do that kind of assignment in a classroom with paper and pencils. Unless you don't have a classroom, you can't afford to buy pencils and paper as fast as the kids will use them up, and the kids are spread out and it's impractical to get all of them together at one time (but it is practical for groups of them to get together, especially if they just have to flip open a lid to join the group instead of hiking the mile or so to the school). And pencil and paper and a classroom won't let you bring the class from the 5 villages around you in to have the kids look at how the other villages see the local world. And it sure won't let you get two kids from tribes that've been mortal enemies since before their grandparents were born talking and working with each other before they realize they're mortal enemies (old adage: "On the 'net everybody's the same color, green on a black background.").
It is really no surprise that the OLPC doesn't sell well, since they aren't actually selling it. There are plenty of people who bought a Eee or maybe a N800/N810 who would have gone with a OLPC instead if they would actually had a chance to buy one. Over here in Europe there simply is no proper way to buy one and even G1G1 isn't really an alternative, first of it was only a time limited USA-only offer and secondly it is twice the price, which simply is to much to keep up with the competition. If people have the choice between $400 OLPC and $300 Eee, most will go with the Eee.
They really need to cut that elitist 'only for the third-world' bullshit and just sell the devices over regular retailers.
And if the teachers can't figure it out or understand it, do you think they will allow it in their classrooms or be able to utilise it to aid what they want to teach? It seems to me that a lot of teachers resist change at all costs, especially when their union is strong or when technology is involved. My gf is a teacher and has taught in more than one country - this is her current battle just trying to get a decent literacy programme off the ground, which you'd have thought would be readily understandable and supported by any decent teacher.
The hardware has got nothing to do with it, and the hackers have got nothing to do with it. And to a degree, the OLPC buying restrictions don't even have much to do with it.
...Don't take my word for it, ask any teacher what they would rather have: internet computers for every student but no books, or unlimited access to textbooks for every student, but no computers. Which one do you think they would choose?
The reason computers have failed as general educational devices so far is because (at least in the US) there's no material to use on them--no textbook companies will offer a fully-digital version of their textbooks. And that is why in most schools, the ONLY classes that commonly have computers for each student are computer-specific courses.
The MAIN advantage of computers in a general classroom use would be digital textbook storage (and the cheaper distribution costs that could be passed on to schools and students), but textbook publishers will not offer digital versions of their books. Why that is I don't particularly know--since they are in electronic form at some point before hitting paper anyway--but until there is a good base of digital text material to work with, computers in the general classroom situation will go nowhere, because the potential cost savings of them cannot be realized. If schools could spend more money for some mini-PC's or e-book readers but spend a lot less money on "books", that might work out to be financially attractive--but it's not legally possible now. (Electronics prices are always dropping; what are textbook prices doing??? Going up or down???,,,)
In a general gradeschool situation, using "the internet" to teach is usually not useful for learning about anything other than goatse and tubgirl.
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you have the hardware but what about the content? so will the kids be accessing the net and going to social network sites?
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the cheap computer is just part of the problem. i would like to see if they can get free unrestricted access to all the library of congress collection. i'll get very excited when that happens. books are becoming much expensive than computers.
the internet gave cheaper access to information. but useful information is still hard to come by these days for free.
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My program example was within the context of the argument that these things will expand IT knowledge to developing countries.
The assignment's more likely to be "Draw a map of the area around the village.". The OLPC is the tool the kids use to draw the map. And to get all their friends together to help point out landmarks one of them may have forgotten to include, and to argue about where those landmarks are relative to one another.I'm sorry, but as long as we're criticizing example lesson plans, could you explain:
1) What this task is intended to teach.
2) How these groups communicate with each other from miles away with no infrastructure.
Furthermore, if we are in a setting where we have tribal warfare, it's not going to be the kind of place where one wants the youngsters running around making a map.
Even for your example to work, you need a lot of people involved. People who are smart; people who are looking out for the kids; people who are working together. Most of the problems of the world, as far as I can tell, are about areas where people have not figured out how to cooperate and work as a large social unit for the betterment of all members. Any development assistance that is not focused on changing the people situation is a waste of time, and I can think of no bigger waste of time than handing personal computers sans curricula to education systems that are neither educational nor systematic.
I see your point, of course, but the problem is almost never the tools. It's the people.
Call me cynical, but I don't really think learning, education, or even "electronic literacy" for 3rd world countries was ever a goal.
I have been a very harsh critic of the OLPC since its inception, and I still think that Negroponte is being incredibly paternalistic (read stuck up and thinking his PhD means he is better than anybody else) in his attitude toward these countries he has targeted for this project.
On the surface, without really looking at the meat of the organization, this sounds like a wonderful idea. The more that I dug into the details... even early on... the more I just couldn't believe what I was reading. More to the point, I felt that far too many compromises were being made for those companies "giving" components to the project when in fact better deals could be had elsewhere.
I also never understood the emphasis on 3rd world countries when the basic goal... a cheap laptop that could be very affordable and a consistent platform to be targeted by developers... was only treated as a secondary concern.
I still claim that if the emphasis here had been for affordable for kids in 1st world countries, that it would have ended up in 3rd world countries as well. Far too much engineering effort went into trying to disable this device when it wasn't used in the "approved" manner, nor have I ever seen what I would call honest concerns resolved about shipping these computers to 3rd world countries only to have the shipments diverted to the "black market" and used to add to the Swiss bank accounts of the leaders of these countries.
While I openly admit there are some very good and dedicated people who have been contributing to the project, I have questioned the leadership of the whole thing from the start and certainly question the model that they used to put everything together. The forking of the project alone shows it wasn't really a sound idea in the first place.
On the positive side, many of those contributions by the open source community can be redirected to other similar worthy projects, and the idea is out there to make computers affordable for kids in the $100-$300 price range. That idea won't die an easy death, even if the OLPC itself is shown to be the fad that it is right now.
Indeed. Spot on.
My opinion vacillates between what you just said, and the more charitable (toward Negroponte) that they simply bit off more than they should chew: they tried to build an inexpensive, functional laptop AND give it away to third world nations, when they should have had two completely separate organizations.
One, a for-profit company selling the laptops with the goal of pushing as many out the door as possible, and another with the goal of giving large numbers the things away. But separately funded and run.
The first is the only way to develop the economies of scale necessary to begin to attempt the second.
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The essence of learning is repetition. Now, granted, some kids need only repeat some things once to learn, others need more. And that's when "helping" is cheating. If you "help" by doing the rote part for someone, you're not helping them at all/em. You're robbing them of information they'll need for the next step.
Teachers like to say that learning is about making connections. And they're correct. But you need to have a bunch of data points "pre-loaded" before you can start connecting them together.
You can't ditch the rote part. It's just as important as everything else.
As for the "assembly line" tactic of everyone learning the same thing at once, the teacher only has one mouth. She can only talk about one thing at a time. If everyone is going to learn different things, then you need more teachers.
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I have no recollection of '150 million computers by the end of 2008' - so I'm questioning the validity of using this as an argument. Wikipages, google searches, etc - I'm not finding a cite for that number.
In my mind, that's a ridiculously over optimistic number, and the OLPC infrastructure could never support it. If that was actually a quote from an OLPC representative, can someone give me the cite?
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I can look through my current personal inventory... Dell Poweredge SC400 server, bought with no OS and it came with windows and Linux drivers - 299 dollars, with 100 dollar rebate. so 200 bucks and bought it new from Dell. Currently tying on a dual core dell laptop. 400 dollars new, not a refurb. gig of ram and a cd burner, and it came with xp, bought it a year ago. Dell has been selling 500 dollar boxes with 19 inch lcds for the last 4 years, and somtimes low as 399.
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My understanding is that msft has hated this OLPC program since it began. And that msft has worked hard to undermine the program. For example, if msft found a school that was interested in OLPC, msft would step in and offer to install a msft network instead. Of course, there may have been a lot of msft sponsored fud: "the OLPC teaches children non-standard computing" and of course: "msft will offer something better."
The following activities are the favored ones. By that I mean that the OLPC people get all excited about them, think that they are ideal for all children, and want them on every laptop.
Tam Tam: it's supposed to be for music. You get 4 programs. One of them lets you click on icons for sound. It's just sound effects; you can not play a tune. Another program lets you mess with oscillators! There is an underperformaing program with pages of music on some kind of non-standard undocumented scale; the UI is painfully awkward though. You can choose from some awful instruments, like "dog" and "dice".
Pippy: this is Python. Eeeew, and ouch! You're limited to one file. You have to edit with the AbiWord (word processor) engine.
TurtleArt: this is a cross between LabView and Logo. It's hard to use, yet also very limited.
Etoys: no joke, this is Smalltalk!!! OMG, WTF??? It comes complete with tiny print and the, uh, "performance" you'd expect.
If I, as a software developer, was aware of a simple computer platform that was in widespread usage among a certain demographic group (aka school-aged children) throughout 1st world countries, I could frankly care less about what operating system it runs on or even if it is unique or original to this platform.
This seemed like a dream for software developers trying to target educational markets... if it had been done properly. And nobody in the educational software business really makes a killing like Oracle or Microsoft... let's be real here. They are usually barely able to cover their own overhead and break even in the end.
Negroponte never did get this, and when the governor of the state he was living in (Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at the time) tried to order 100,000 laptops for inner-city Boston youths.... Romney was turned down flat because "Massachusetts isn't a 3rd world country".
Again, I admire the thought about trying to get 3rd world countries become computer literate. I am also willing to admit to the presumption that a village without a consistent electricity conduit or even running water could perhaps use a mesh laptop computer network to help them learn the knowledge to improve their lives and get the other "luxuries" of 21st Century life.
The whole "buy one, give one free" was not Negroponte's idea anyway, and it required a major petition of a huge number of interested hackers and geeks to even bring this idea to his attention.
I could go on, but it appears I'm preaching to the choir here.
I do agree with your two organization approach, BTW, and that should have been done from the start. I might have become much more involved in the project if that had been the case.
Oh, grow up. I didn't identify my friend because I don't like name dropping my friends in public - and this one in particular, because she's retired and leads a rather private life.
The poster to whom I replied said the OLPC is "useless" as a computer for a geek. I brought up an example of a geek who finds it useful. I trust her geek cred. There is a geek who uses and likes the OLPC. Argument disproved.
If I wanted to appeal to authority, I would have arranged a phone call with Negroponte and talked to him about it, and then posted the results. I don't need to impress you. You aren't important enough to me for me to want to bother trying to impress you.
If they knew how to do that, they'd be software developers, not education professonals.
Methinks Mr. Negroponte spends a little too much time on the "elite" side of the Charles.
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