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Oldest Computer Music Unveiled

drewmoney writes with a cool story from the BBC, which says that "A scratchy recording of Baa Baa Black Sheep and a truncated version of In the Mood are thought to be the oldest known recordings of computer generated music. The article also collects some other very interesting bits of computer history.

157 comments

  1. Could be a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A recording of a song about sheep? Sounds to me like they might be trying to fleece the masses.

    1. Re:Could be a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A recording of a song about sheep? It sounds believable to me. The complexity of the song is completely similar with the latest trance/house/minimal music that fills stadiums in Europe.
    2. Re:Could be a fake. by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least it didn't involve a goat in C#

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    3. Re:Could be a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ooo... where's the groan moderation option when you need it?! ;)

    4. Re:Could be a fake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeing as how the article also claims that the Ferranti Mark 1 is the forerunner of all modern computers, that leaves everything else in the article of questionable validity.

    5. Re:Could be a fake. by acecamaro666 · · Score: 0

      what a ba-aaaaaaah-d joke.

    6. Re:Could be a fake. by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      Following one aborted attempt, a laughing presenter says: "The machine's obviously not in the mood."
      Clearly. The machine realised that the presenter was the worlds first digital music pirate. And to make matters worse, he was laughing like this:

      Yarrrrrrr!
  2. As noted on Hack-A-Day... by 68030 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except for that the clip isn't Baa Baa Black Sheep..

    1. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is Slashdot, begone with logic and truth!

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    2. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      No kidding. You think they're gonna hafta pony up for using "Happy Birthday"?

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    3. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by IronMagnus · · Score: 3, Informative

      LTFA (Listen to etc...) The first song starts out as "my country tis of thee" but ends with a lick from Baa Baa Black Sheep... so, though the description could have been better, the computer DOES play the song in question.

    4. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      LTFA (Listen to etc...)

      The first song starts out as "my country tis of thee" but ends with a lick from Baa Baa Black Sheep... so, though the description could have been better, the computer DOES play the song in question. Yes but the article does not mention My Country Tis of Thee at all.
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    5. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by IronMagnus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes I believe I covered that when I said "Though the description could have been better".

    6. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 5, Funny

      It does mention 'God Save The King', which is the same tune. You must have noticed that - why do you think they play that music at the Olympics when they hand out bronze medals?

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    7. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Informative

      In that case, you mean "Thought the description could have been Americanised". God Save the [$monarch] is England's national anthem, the article comes from the British Broadcasting Corporation, the people who built the computer and wrote the program were English. Not referring to the American re-write seems pretty reasonable and accurate to me.

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    8. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by countach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's this obsession of sound pioneers with sheep? Didn't Edison say "Mary had a little lamb"?

    9. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      Yes I believe I covered that when I said "Though the description could have been better". Yeah, my bad. I thought you were referring to TFS not TFA. I guess your comment "could have been better".
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    10. Re:As noted on Hack-A-Day... by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean “Americanized”?

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  3. IBM 1401, A User's Manual by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It reminds me of an album called IBM 1401, A User's Manual by Jóhann Jóhannsson. It is simple computer music generated 30 years ago that has been orchestrated.

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    1. Re:IBM 1401, A User's Manual by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      Calling "IBM 1401, A User's Manual" "simple computer music" is doing it a bit of a disservice - it's fully orchestrated, while evoking the "written by someone literate" quality that computer manuals had in the 70s and before. Bits of it regularly turn up on John Kelly's programme on RTE - if you haven't heard it, check http://www.rte.ie/lyricfm/jk/ for weekly playlists.

      Around about the time that the 1401 tapes that Johann Johannsson used were being recorded, Curved Air were using a PDP8 for side 2 of "Phantasmagoria". It's interesting but, er, "less musical".

  4. Re:Wrong. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Informative

    No the computer is in England it starts out with "God Save The Queen". Which is the original title of the music.

  5. Sue Them? by PawNtheSandman · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is the statue of limitations before the RIAA can no longer try to cash in on those early IP pirates?

    1. Re:Sue Them? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Psssst: "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and "God Save The Queen" (aka "My Country Tis of Thee") are in the public domain. But don't tell anyone, we'll sue them anyway and see if anyone notices!

      Thanks,
      The RIAA

    2. Re:Sue Them? by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

      Psssst: "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and "God Save The Queen" (aka "My Country Tis of Thee") are in the public domain. But, at the time, "In the Mood" decidedly wasn't, probably still isn't today, maybe that's why they only used a short extract, fair use and all that.
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    3. Re:Sue Them? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Baa Baa Black Sheep" and "God Save The Queen" (aka "My Country Tis of Thee") are in the public domain.


      I think the public domain is the next target for the RIAA...

    4. Re:Sue Them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoo00ooosh

    5. Re:Sue Them? by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Statue of Limitations? Is that some kind of wall or something?

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    6. Re:Sue Them? by Sloppy · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Sue Them? by TommydCat · · Score: 1

      Statue of Limitations, tape-d and amplified... with draught Brits...

      Ohh... never mind...
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  6. Re:Wrong. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    No the computer is in England it starts out with "God Save The Queen". Which is the original title of the music.
    Gee, I never noticed..."God Save the Queen" and "My Country Tis of Thee" are the same song!

    Do I get a gold star now?
  7. BBC by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    Oh no! The BBC is going to be sued by the RIAA! But wait... if the BBC is funded by all UK citizens... Wouldn't it mean that all UK citizens are supporting the piracy of this song... So in the RIAA's mind wouldn't it give them reason to sue the entire UK?!?!

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    1. Re:BBC by edraven · · Score: 1

      Like they need a reason.

  8. One thousand five hundred valves.. by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1
    ..should be enough for anyone.

    The recording also includes a rendition of 'God Save The King' at the beginning - didn't work, though, he died six months later aged 56.

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    1. Re:One thousand five hundred valves.. by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

      The music probably killed him. But what would you expect from such a scratchy rendition? It's almost as bad as the Formula 1 car engine version.

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  9. WoW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I was expecting something like "Golden Axe" on a PC Speaker! I'm impressed!

  10. Seinfeld by sveard · · Score: 1

    STATUTE of limitations, watch some Seinfeld!

    1. Re:Seinfeld by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      STATUTE of limitations, watch some Seinfeld!

      No, I really think you're wrong...

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  11. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1951, so s/Queen/King/.

  12. Sampled or generated? by bigtangringo · · Score: 1

    I imagine it's generated (DNRTFA), but it sounds a lot like a violin.

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    1. Re:Sampled or generated? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      I imagine it's generated (DNRTFA), but it sounds a lot like a violin.

      I'm guessing you haven't heard too many violins in your life if that's what you think they sound like...

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    2. Re:Sampled or generated? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I imagine it's generated (DNRTFA), but it sounds a lot like a violin.

      Sounds like a motor, possibly from a tape reel or a cardpunch, to me.

      A loudspeaker, assuming anyone had been inspired to connect one to a computer's data bus back then, would likely have generated audible pitches by switching between logical 0 and 1 at various intervals -- a simple square wave, in other words. The timbre heard on the recording is more harmonically rich than that. In fact, it reminds me quite a lot of the sound of the Atari 2600's TIA sound generator.

      It's also noticeably limited in the number of frequencies it can generate -- many notes are painfully out of tune from the Western scale. Motors not generally being designed to produce specific pitches, this behavior seems consistent with a component being used for something other than its intended use.

      This is not the oldest known example of an electronic tone generator (by several decades), but may well be the first "sequencer" program for storing and reproducing musical events.

    3. Re:Sampled or generated? by bigtangringo · · Score: 1

      Granted, the pitch is lower, but it has the same tone as a violin or cello.

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    4. Re:Sampled or generated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone else used to play tunes on dot matrix printers?

      Yeah, but not as well as this guy did.

      The User: Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers

  13. Re:Wrong. by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 5, Informative

    No the computer is in England in November 1951 and starts out with "God Save The King." Which is the original title of the music.

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  14. That's the oldest? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    Are you sure the oldest computer music isn't just x=peek(-16636), or command+open apple+closed apple + reset?

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    1. Re:That's the oldest? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure the oldest computer music isn't just x=peek(-16636)

      That's not going to do anything. The address is wrong (you wanted -16336, or 49200...$C030 if you're doing assembly language, which was required for anything more than a low drone or the beep that PRINT CHR$(7) would give you), and even if you had gotten it right, I don't know that a single click of the speaker would qualify as "music."

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    2. Re:That's the oldest? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

      you're right, I meant -16336... it's been a long time since I used that. If you loop it, it's the most annoying thing ever!

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  15. Re:Wrong. by Ucklak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and The Alphabet song are the same.

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  16. Definitly Audacited! by GerardAtJob · · Score: 1

    That's Audacited! no doubt about it ;)

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    1. Re:Definitly Audacited! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      I can tell from some of the frequencies and having heard several Teo Macero edits in my time...

  17. One day my MIDI's will be historic too by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just thank God there is now a MIDI File Organizer that can help me preserve my old midi's and sort them by name using a simple 22-digit ID number.

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    1. Re:One day my MIDI's will be historic too by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Only 22 digits? I swear in the pre-mp3 days I had more than that many midi tracks sitting around on my computer.

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  18. Re:Wrong. by k_187 · · Score: 4, Funny

    you just blew my mind man.

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  19. 2^127-1 by furrydave · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "If you wante to know if 2^127-1 is a prime number, you can get the machine to give you the answer in a matter of days, it takes a week to set it up and..."

    That kind of thing always makes me smile. First off, how complicated the whole setup is to do this.

    Honestly, this is just amazing to watch. Thanks for the link!

    Oh, and I remember the first voice I ever heard from my computer. It was either a gold game ("Oh, got a hold of that one!" or Mach-3, a really cool racing game that would say it's name when you turned first started playing it... man, I miss that game :-)

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    1. Re:2^127-1 by s.bots · · Score: 1

      My favourite digital voice was in the NES game Blades of Steel when it would announce the title. What a classic, haha.

  20. Re:Wrong. by BobNET · · Score: 1

    Just like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and The Alphabet song are the same.

    And "Baa Baa, Black Sheep"...

  21. Mac's first words by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 1

    "Hello, I am Macintosh!"

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  22. Re:Wrong again by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the time (autumn 1951), it would have been "God Save the King."

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  23. Lies by pengudeus · · Score: 4, Funny

    All sources point to this as the oldest computer music:

    1. Re:Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DAMN YOU!! you got me!!!!

    2. Re:Lies by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

      Aargh, my first Rick rolling, nice one. Please mod parent funny. (Note to self, don't click links during or after drinking fine Single Malt).

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    3. Re:Lies by pengudeus · · Score: 0

      I wasn't sure if doing such a thing was wise on Slashdot. But I couldn't resist.

    4. Re:Lies by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

      Hey, it was funny and on-topic, more or less.

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    5. Re:Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was great, and all you chumps just ruined for the who knows how many other people after your posting who would have clicked it not knowing what it was. Thanks a lot. At least he/she got a few of us :)

    6. Re:Lies by lawrencebillson · · Score: 0

      I thought CSIRAC did it first in 1950: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSIRAC

    7. Re:Lies by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

      You're right, and if you'd RTFA they did mention CSIRAC, it's just that no one thought to make a recording of CSIRAC and TFA is about the oldest recording.

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    8. Re:Lies by sabit666 · · Score: 1

      I knew it, but I clicked anyways. It's like drugs.

  24. Axel F, by Stewbacca by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Funny

    And here I thought my efforts of programming every note of Axel F (thanks to the band director who loaned me the score) into my Commodore 64 was the first computer music!

    1. Re:Axel F, by Stewbacca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way, it was airwolf.mod

  25. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That computer had the Sex Pistols on it? Cool!

  26. Re:Wrong. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

    Not far off the mark considering that the House of Windsor changed their name from Wettin as a result of the First World War to seperate themselves from the German royal family.

  27. Also included: by teneighty · · Score: 4, Funny

    The world's oldest RIAA subpoena.

  28. Re:Wrong. by Intron · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you leave out all the notes, it is also John Cage's 4'33".

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  29. Sheep to cake by Cur8or · · Score: 0

    If the cake was a lie, how are we to trust the sheep? Are computers always hungry (Bender is the cook), or are pc musicians just poor starving bastards?

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  30. Re:Wrong. by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It would never have been "Deutschland Uber Alles" by 1951, "Gimn Sovetskogo Soyuza" maybe ...

    P.S. My masters in London haven't allowed me to have a monarchy since 1246 (or 1415 if you count Owain Glyndwr). Can't say I've missed it much. Love the EU though, first time in 900 years the Welsh haven't been treated as second-class citizens....

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  31. How it was done ? by SteveAstro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My father remembers as a schoolboy around then visiting the laboratory at Manchester, and asking how it made noises. IIRC he says they were actively loading the system clock and making it slow down or speed up depending on how much work it was doing driving circuit elements.

    1. Re:How it was done ? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Back in the late '60s, I did some work on the late, lamented IBM 1620. It had a clock-tick of 20 ms (That's milliseconds, not micro.) and somebody found out that different instructions generated different RF signals. If you put a transistor radio (remember them?) on the console, you could listen to them. There was a program that would take a set of notes and durations and generate a "program" that ran the appropriate instructions to "play" the tune, rather like a rather odd compiler.

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    2. Re:How it was done ? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Back in the late '60s, I did some work on the late, lamented IBM 1620. It had a clock-tick of 20 ms (That's milliseconds, not micro.) and somebody found out that different instructions generated different RF signals. If you put a transistor radio (remember them?) on the console, you could listen to them. There was a program that would take a set of notes and durations and generate a "program" that ran the appropriate instructions to "play" the tune, rather like a rather odd compiler.

      More recently, back when I was in high school (in the late 90s) I remember doing similar things with software you could install on the TI-83 and TI-89 calculators. If you put the calculator next to an AM radio it could generate MIDI-like music.

  32. Re:Wrong. by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, you know you're right, it had never occurred to me that the melody of "Baa, Baa, Black Sheep" is the same as "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" presumably chosen because of it's connotations with the original Edison Phonograph recording. And "god save the Queen" is still turning up in strange embedded processor music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEqlNU30Tg

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  33. Digital Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks to digital audio, I don't have to pay for music anymore!

  34. Re:Wrong. by FishAdmin · · Score: 1
    Wouldn't that be "Deutchland Uber Allies"?

    Pa-dum-pum!

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  35. Also: First ever screen shot of protracker by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

    The pic in the article looks like an early screen shot of the first mod tracker program. Strike up another first for the British!

  36. Re:Wrong. by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 1

    I thought they changed their name from "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha"?

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  38. No pun intended? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
    The article also collects some other very interesting bits of computer history

    Yeah I'm not byting.

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  39. Depends on your definition (of course; no really). by zentechno · · Score: 1

    Not to split semantic hairs, and I absolutely feel these recordings are historically significant, but the earliest digital recordings are at least as old as the first player-piano rolls -- depending on how you constrain (or don't constrain) your recording technique semantics. Perhaps the recordings mentioned in this story are the oldest 'sampled' recordings, meaning recordings as 'listened to' by a computer, but every time I run a player-piano roll I'm listening to a (2-bit + modifier bits for sustain, etc) digital recording. Arguably, the mechanism that produced these recordings may be too mechanical, but recording (as well as playback today) even employed vaccum 'tubes' 8^). If you see my point here, then the music-box disks are even older, but those were manufactured manually, that is a craftsman made each of those bumps on the disk, so they aren't "recorded" and so I'd argue they aren't recordings. Again, depends on how you constrain, or don't constrain the definition on the process. One could also argue either of these are the first programs as they use a positional "programing" language, each position characterized by a 1 or 0 (bump or no pump), each with a unique mapping to a distinct audio function (distinguished by frequency). They both even employ a clock (each 'instruction' being locked to the last through a smallest unit of measured time, in this case known as tempo), - Steve

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  40. Re:Wrong. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

    That was the 'family name' not the 'house name'.

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  42. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, the music played by the Ferranti Mark 1 and the CSIRAC were *NOT* sampled, but synthesised.

    Piano rolls, as you mention, were sampled - although physically, not electronically.

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  44. A long time ago in China... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    Someone jamming out with an abacus solo.
    (later an inspiration for John Bonham)

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  46. Re:Wrong. by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    For those who aren't familiar with the alphabet song, here it is...

    Most sources don't get the lyrics right, but this one I'm pretty sure is correct.

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  47. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by zentechno · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think the recording technique, at least later, was a specially equipped piano that used an electronic current to mark the roll whenever a key or pedal was pressed, and this was used as a stencil to produce copies. You're right, though, these would NOT be synthesized music, as is implied by the article.

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  48. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first time in 900 years the Welsh haven't been treated as second-class citizens.... My mother still doesn't understand why people in Wales speak Welsh in their own country. So don't you worry, once Westminster finds out about this EU they'll put a stop to it :P
  49. Re:Wrong again by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

    At the time (autumn 1951), it would have been "God Save the King."

    Obviously, God wasn't listening to this new-fangled technology.
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  50. Batman Theme, Viciously re-arranged by timbuktu by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    I once did the theme to Batman (the 1989 film) into QBasic on a PC... Had to chop it down to fit in three voices but it came out pretty decent as I recall...

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  51. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I noticed how they're the same... if that's what you mean.

    Lets all sing together kids...

    A-B-C-D-E-F-G
    Twinkle Twinkle little star

    H-I-J-K-L-M-N-O-P
    How I wonder what you are

    Q-R-S-T-U-V
    Up above the world so high

    W-X-Y-Z
    Like a diamond in the sky

    Now I know my A-B-C's
    Twinkle Twinkle little star

    Next time won't you sing with me.
    How I wonder what you are.

  52. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people can claim to be programmers after using punch cards, then the player piano counts as computer music.

  53. Re:Wrong. by jason.sweet · · Score: 3, Funny

    God country tis F G, have you any wool...
    Make it stop!

  54. Re:Wrong. by IronMagnus · · Score: 1

    *W-X-Y-and-Z

  55. Re:Wrong. by BobNET · · Score: 1

    I also recommend you learn the second half of the alphabet. Or Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star. Or both. Notice how they're different?

    Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
    Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.
    Q-R-S, T-U-V,
    And one for the little boy who lives down the lane.
    Now I know my A-B-Cs,
    How I wonder what you are.

    Nope, they sound the same to me. Sure, some parts are changed to shoehorn the different lyrics in there, but it's the same melody throughout.

  56. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by zentechno · · Score: 1

    Well, punch cards are a (digital) recording -- they're a line of computer code recorded to 'card' (and the recording is even done in *three* dimensions), and they're even read in to the system by a play-back mechanism (each with it's own 'timing' -- or at least they're played back in a specific order, hence each card being a three dimensional recording -- two dimensions for each character in the line of code, and it's place in the stack). 8^) I've never tried to run one through my player piano, but, sadly, I do remember people playing computer CDs in CD players.

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  57. Re:Wrong. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    Strictly speaking, the traditional tune for Baa Baa Black Sheep is the same as for The Alphabet Song. A number of years ago a friend of mine discovered that you can also sing it to the melody of Hatikvah.

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  58. So how is "computer" defined here? by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1

    I recall Zuse claiming that they invented the computer because they has some machine that performed some operations sequentially according to holes punched into film strips (what was later to become paper tape). I always thought that under that definition a player piano is a computer, because it uses some kind of punch tape to make a machine well-defined things in pre-determined order.

    If this counts, then there's been computer-generated music a lot earlier than the fifties.

    Is there actually some kind of "commonly agreed upon definition" of the term computer? Does it have to be equivalent to a Turing machine? Does it have to produce output that itself can read as input? Was this machine of 1951 (which I know nothing about) in either of these categories?

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    1. Re:So how is "computer" defined here? by zentechno · · Score: 1

      Well, I mostly agree. In my post I tried to make the distinction between "computer recording" and "computer playback" and it was then pointed out that the story refers to 'computer generated' (and not 'sampled') music. The Greeks (or was it the Romans) actually had machines that processed instructions, those instructions were ropes knotted and wound around spindles which caused their "machines" to do the same task over and over, each time the rope was 'reset' -- but that's (computer) playback, not (computer) recording since the knots are tied by hand and not made by an automated mechanism like sampling. This mean the player piano isn't 'computer generated' just 'computer recorded' then 'computer replicated' I believe the Turning machine is still recognized as a computer (even using the modern definition), not sure about anything earlier, but I'd say a player piano is pretty close. I think you might be onto something with your suggestion of "output that can be used as input" -- at least if we want to only include 'self contained' systems in our definition.

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  59. CDC 3300: printers and card punches as instruments by old+webster · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the first ANALOG performance -- no known recordings as far as I know....

  60. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think the recording technique, at least later, was a specially equipped piano that used an electronic current to mark the roll whenever a key or pedal was pressed, and this was used as a stencil to produce copies.

    Yes, and that means you could play a roll and get the same timing that the original piano player would've used. I have a couple of MIDI files that were made by scanning old piano rolls originally played in by Scott Joplin -- which is probably as close to a "live recording" of him playing as you're going to get...

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  61. Line Printer Music by S-100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in the 70's, the school's computer jobs were submitted on punched cards and then you waited for your output to be printed on the big line printer. Most people would have to look at the header pages to see if it was their job, but some enterprising types noted that the line printer made a distinctive tone when it printed out all of a particular character. They took this further to print out their particular fanfare at the head of their job, so they could tell from across the room when their job was being printed.

    1. Re:Line Printer Music by realperseus · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up please....

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    2. Re:Line Printer Music by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Yes that was when I was in college and they tried to discourage that kind of thing. It happened none the less. Later when I finally got into the industry about '76 or '77 we made the band printers play actual tunes "Happy Birthday" being the favorite. Didn't know we were violating copyright then.

  62. Rick Roll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mods trolling! Slashdot achieves new heights!

  63. Re:Wrong. by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

    And just like how the "Hamster Dance" is the same song as "Whistle Stop" (from Disney's animated version of Robin Hood).

  64. Re:Depends on your definition (of course; no reall by bornwaysouth · · Score: 1

    Now that you point it out, it is a bit precious to separate computer generated music from any other form of recorded music where the machine could be altered. The pianola is just following a spool of punched hole program.

    It is interesting how something as alien as a computer gets embedded into our culture. It does seem like tools are almost a part of our mental approach. So I suspect making machine music goes way back. I've not been to Nepal, but I think monks in that region have prayer wheels driven by water that also tinkle away on pipes or some such. Probably don't have a manufacture date on them but an archeologist could probably say they are early Gong Dynasty or some such.

    Anyone know if the Ancient Greeks had automated sound producers. (Not counting thunder generators. Drum rolls to announce gods don't count.)

  65. Re:Wrong. by sconeu · · Score: 1

    Not to mention "Anacreon in Heaven" and "The Star Spangled Banner".

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  66. Re:Wrong. by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

    First measure same melody:
    Twinkle Twinkle
    Baa Baa Black Sheep

    Second measure different:
    Little Star
    Have you any wool?

    Lets just speed this up:
    3-6 same
    7-8 different

    And Baa Baa Black sheep ends, while Twinkle Twinkle goes on for another four measures.

    When you're sticking songs with half an octave of range with no jumps of more than a third, and you're only doing major chords (because these things make it easy to learn them), you don't have a lot of options for the melody.

    Things are going to sound the same. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to pick apart most rock songs as being repeats of other songs. (How many are Pachelbel's canon now? 15 or 20?)

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  67. Using a speaker to debug programs by dgriff · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The first computer I ever programmed back in the seventies was a Marconi Myriad and had a built-in speaker. The speaker made a different noise according to (I think) what instruction was being processed (or maybe the tone was based on the memory address?). But anyway, there were lots of paper tapes around with programs that would do various loops to play tunes, eg classical organ pieces.


    The nice thing about it though was it served as an excellent diagnostic aid. When the full system was working properly it would make a very complex sound, a bit like a dishwasher or something, but when it hit a bug and hung you'd get a single tone (a bit like those "beep beep beeeeeeep" monitors in hospitals). And you could tell when things were starting to go wrong, a bit like listening to a car engine. Quite cool, I sometimes miss being able to "listen" to complex programs executing.

    1. Re:Using a speaker to debug programs by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

      The speaker made a different noise according to (I think) what instruction was being processed

      Wow. I'd love that on my dual core amd64. I wonder if I could arrange integral instructions as base lines, floating point as melody and SIMD as chords? Then again, maybe my co-workers would kill me.

      They just don't make them like they used to. This is good.

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    2. Re:Using a speaker to debug programs by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 1

      On Solaris you can listen to the traffic over a network interface by doing "snoop -a" if I remember correctly - but have never used this to debug a networked application though...

    3. Re:Using a speaker to debug programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi

      I was a Myriad Commissioning engineer in 1969 to 1972. I worked at West Drayton, Baddow and then South Africa.

      Geoff Boyes

  68. Obligatory by sexconker · · Score: 3, Funny

    Daisy, Daisy,
    give me your answer-do.
    I'm half crazy
    all for the love of you.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is unclear from your post, but I'm guessing that you're referencing 2001: a space odyssey and not the work of Max Mathews. His work is what the author is talking about when he quotes an expert about Bell Labs being "where the whole computer music thing got started." One of Mathews' earliest recordings was in fact of "Daisy Bell," and the use of that song in 2001 was an homage.

    2. Re:Obligatory by lysse · · Score: 1

      More apposite than you might think... (Max Mathews built the original MUSIC languages from which CSound and CMusic are descended.)

    3. Re:Obligatory by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I know.
      That's why I made the post.

  69. Did anyone notice ... by flnca · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... that it was Christopher Strachey who wrote the music programs? That's the guy who invented CPL and he was also involved with BCPL, the ancestor of C. He wrote the book "BCPL - The Language and Its Compiler" together with Martin Richards. That book was my introduction into compiler design! :-)

  70. Yeah well by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

    Mp3s or it didn't happen.

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  71. Music on peripherals as well by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when we had band printers we would program the hammer banks to play tunes. Must have been around 1977 or 1978 or so. When the needle based printers came out we got even more tones out of them and we could play some really cool stuff. Since I worked for the printer manufacturer it was easy to make slight mods to the ROMS to make music even easier. None of that stuff ever shipped deliberately though. I've heard tales going back even farther that they could make drum memory sing.

    1. Re:Music on peripherals as well by flnca · · Score: 1

      Printers and drum memory, great!! :-) Did you ever hear about the program called "drive music"? We used that on Amiga computers to play tunes on floppy drives. ;-)

    2. Re:Music on peripherals as well by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      I actually have a version of it for my Video Toaster.

  72. Oldest Recording of ANY Kind by nuckfuts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Check out the earliest recorded sounds of any kind.

    What's truly mind-blowing about the phonautograph is that the inventor didn't even realize that the sounds he "recorded" could possibly be played back! 148 years later somebody wrote a computer program that transformed the machine's scribbling into an audible human voice.

  73. Re:Wrong. by spoco2 · · Score: 1

    Except that it's not the same
    Twinkle twinkle little star: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlbjpmBFljo
    Baa Baa black sheep: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jn2KINx8Gaw

    Try singing twinkle twinkle over the top of baa baa black sheep.

    Different

  74. Re:Wrong. by AgentPaper · · Score: 1

    Both Arthur and AW are right - the family name went from Saxe-Cobourg and Gotha to Windsor, likewise the house name from Wettin to Windsor. Meanwhile, Prince Phillip changed his name from Battenburg to Mountbatten (same meaning, just English). As a result, the HRH-styled descendants of Elizabeth II are Windsors, and all the others go by Mountbatten-Windsor.

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  75. Re:Wrong. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

    Actualy us black sheep of the family don't get to use either the 'Mountbatten-Windsor' or the Moutbatten monickers.

  76. I think by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    That every TRS-80 Model 1 L216K machine figured out at some point that placing an AM radio near the machine and running certain commands made it possible to play music.

    And then if you played with a bit of Z80 machine language, you could modulate the cassette port.

    How I loved that machine.

  77. God save the Queen, the fascist regieme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They had Sex Pistols recordings in 1951? Who knew...

  78. Statue of Limitations by thethibs · · Score: 1

    Statue of Limitations? Is that some kind of wall or something?

    No--it's what will replace the Statue of Liberty if the Democrats win another House majority.

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  79. 1024 bits? by unassimilatible · · Score: 3, Funny
    The memory was built from a Cathode Ray Tube and allowed scientists to program 1024 bits

    "1024 bits ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates

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  80. Re:Wrong. by OakDragon · · Score: 3, Funny
    An not to forget Hatless Atlas:

    ^<@<.@*
    }"_# |
    -@$&/_%
    !( @|=>
    ;`+$?^?
    ,#"~|)^G

    Translation:

    hat less at less point at star
    backbrace double base pound space bar
    dash at cash and slash base rate
    wow open tab at bar is great
    semi backquote plus cash huh DEL
    comma pound double tilde bar close BEL
  81. Re:Wrong. by shameless · · Score: 1

    You mean, "Ah, vouz direz-je maman"?

  82. All I can say is... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    It has a nice beat and you can dance to it.

  83. Ob. Blackadder by ross.w · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darling: Four verses! Four verses! I meant four verses! Look, I'm as British as Queen Victoria. Edmund: So your father's German, you're half German, and you married a German? Darling: (crying) No! No! Look, for God's sake, I'm not a German spy!!!

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  84. Ahhh... by itomato · · Score: 1

    Phenomenal!

    I can whole-heartedly recommend the "The Gurus of Electronic Music" set: http://www.furious.com/PERFECT/ohm/ to anyone intrigued with early computer-generated and electronically-composed music.

    Some fantastic recordings of early computerized speech in there (He Destroyed Her Image) along with some terrific compositions by Brian Eno, Terry Riley, and Clara Rockmore (lady Theremin virtuoso), as well as the theme from "Forbidden Planet", and other gems..

  85. Old stuff by saunabad · · Score: 1

    This is already mentioned in Alan Turing biography by Andrew Hodges, released in 1983.

  86. Re:Wrong. by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    Just like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and The Alphabet song are the same

    Weird Al's parody of ABCDEFG, no doubt.

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  87. Re:Wrong. by Thorwak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks more like a busy NetHack situation to me :P

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  88. Re:Wrong. by koogydelbbog · · Score: 1

    given the date it's actually "God Save The King"

  89. tune it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my goodness, it needs tuning. the E4 is way sharp

  90. Re:Wrong. by mgiuca · · Score: 1

    And (more to the point) Twinkle and Baa Baa Black Sheep are almost the same song.

    I just realised that recently too!

  91. Oldest computer music came from the Illiac by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1
    That may be the oldest recorded computer music, but the oldest computer music came from Altgeld Hall, at U of I.

    The Illiac was the 4th computer ever built (modeled on the Eniac). Professors would mail in the jobs that they wanted to have run, and a computer operator would be there to run the machine 24x7. To catch buggy programs with infinite loop, the last bit of the output was routed through a speaker. As long as the operator would hear static, everything was fine, but if it started humming, then the program had hit an infinite loop.

    One morning at 2am, the operator put in the next program on the file, sent in by one of the math professors on campus. It immediately began playing the school fight song!

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