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Real Snail Mail

A few news outlets, mostly in the UK, have picked up the story of gastropod-enabled email delivery. The RealSnailMail project out of Bournemouth University uses snails with RFID tags to deliver email. The service will officially launch at SIGGRAPH on August 11, 2008. While it's still under development, the perpetrators write, "For testing purposes some messages may be forwarded sooner than expected. Sorry we can not guarantee unreliability of service at this time. We hope to have RealSnailMail working less predictably as soon as possible."

103 comments

  1. That was definitely... by Manfre · · Score: 5, Funny

    research time well spent.

    1. Re:That was definitely... by sm62704 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Research? Well I don't know but some good art came from it. Siggraph is computer-generated art. From TFA:

      Our snails are equipped with a miniaturised electronic circuit and antenna that enables them to be assigned messages from hardware located within their enclosure. The moment you click 'send' your message will travel at the speed of light to our snail server where it will await collection by a snail agent.


      Once associated with the tiny electronic chip on the snails shell your message will be carried around until the snail chances by the drop off point. Hardware located at this point collects the message from the snail and forwards it to its final destination.

      My old art instructors would certainly approve. This approaches Dada.
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    2. Re:That was definitely... by Gewalt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gives new meaning to digesting RSS feeds. Would you like garlic with that?

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    3. Re:That was definitely... by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      and salt is all you'd need for a firewall

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    4. Re:That was definitely... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our slow moving, slime generating, information overlords. Had to do it.

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    5. Re:That was definitely... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our slow moving, slime generating, information overlords. Information underloads if anything.
    6. Re:That was definitely... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just be careful with your shell scripts.

      Particularly your bash shell scripts, or you might end up scraping goo for a few minutes.

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    7. Re:That was definitely... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1


          I'd prefer a perl script myself. It may be worth something. :)

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    8. Re:That was definitely... by Xyrus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Packets would need to be routed around France.

      ~X~

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    9. Re:That was definitely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Dada a good thing?

    10. Re:That was definitely... by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      No, you didn't.

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    11. Re:That was definitely... by Zemran · · Score: 1

      No change there then...

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    12. Re:That was definitely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The snailnet interprets France as damage and routes around it.

    13. Re:That was definitely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not this one - he's a total shitcock.

    14. Re:That was definitely... by asliarun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gives new meaning to digesting RSS feeds. Would you like garlic with that? A much better protocol implementation would have been to teach the snails to drive, and then equip them with a fleet of Mercedes.

      Besides the latency improvement, you would have the satisfaction of hearing people say, "Dude, look at that S-car go"

      (shamelessly ripped from Callahans)

    15. Re:That was definitely... by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      It's art. One of my instructors in college was fond of saying "I don't know what I like, but I know what art is".

      Dada is an anti-art art; or rather more of an anti-art establishment art. Marcel Duchamp once hung a urinal on an art gallery wall, and the critics (successful critics in any field are never antiestablishment) praised it for its form and beauty.

      One installation in the 1920s was busted by the police. It consisted of a bare room with a woman clothed only in a hat and shoes who stood in the center of the room reading poetry.

      From the wikipedia page on dada:

      Dada or Dadaism is a cultural movement that began in neutral Zürich, Switzerland, during World War I and peaked from 1916 to 1920. The movement primarily involved visual arts, literature (poetry, art manifestoes, art theory), theatre, and graphic design, and concentrated its anti war politic through a rejection of the prevailing standards in art through anti-art cultural works. Dada activities included public gatherings, demonstrations, and publication of art/literary journals. Passionate coverage of art, politics, and culture filled their publications. The movement influenced later styles, Avant-garde and Downtown music movements, and groups including Surrealism, Nouveau Réalisme, Pop Art and Fluxus.


      " Dada is the groundwork to abstract art and sound poetry, a starting point for performance art, a prelude to postmodernism, an influence on pop art, a celebration of antiart to be later embraced for anarcho-political uses in the 1960s and the movement that lay the foundation for Surrealism. Marc Lowenthal, Translator's introduction to Francis Picabia's I Am a Beautiful Monster: Poetry, Prose, And Provocation (MIT Press 2007)

      Note that the passage wikipedia quoted wasn't entirely accurate; there were other precursors to abstract art, such as impressionism and post-impressionism (both of which were also denigrated by the mainstream).
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  2. Obligatory by bgillespie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bit of a slow day on Slashdot, isn't it?

    1. Re:Obligatory by Manfre · · Score: 1

      That explains how I managed to get the first comment in.

    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd say it's almost a sluggish news day.

  3. Seriously? by daveatneowindotnet · · Score: 1

    And performance artist wonder why they get laughed at?

    1. Re:Seriously? by sm62704 · · Score: 0

      And performance artist wonder why they get laughed at?

      Cluebat: not all art is supposed to be serious.

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  4. Soo.... by Drathos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can lost packets be partially attributed to interference from RFC 1149?

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    1. Re:Soo.... by FinchWorld · · Score: 2, Funny
      I considered this system using good old pigeons, packets could potentially be sent very quickly, and as there is a great number of pigeons available, the bandwidth could be quite massive, however the system was just too unreliable. Many packets were lost, but not due to pigeons getting lost, but mainly by hawks eating the pigeons, causing packets to be dropped.

      Then my friend had a great idea, use hawks as the transmission medium. Nothing hunts these hawks, and once trained hardly ever get lost, making a very reliable medium. However in practice the system under performed compared to our expectations. There were few hawks to be trained which limited our bandwidth somewhat, and the hawk flew slower on average increasing our ping times. Not only this but we soon discovered that after releasing all our pigeons (As we no longer needed them) they took to flying between our clients. Not a problem I hear you say, well the hawks would stop to catch the buggers and eat them, making the latency unbearable.

      Now we have this idea of encoding our messages using different colours of fish, the sewer system (downstream) and the water pipes (upstream), but its still a work in progress.

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    2. Re:Soo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      We need an RFC for snails.

      In Sweden they just made a new law giving their government the right to listen to almost all communication going in to and out of the country. But the law only gives FRA the right to listen to communications if wired or over radio.

      To get around the "pidgin hole", I have heard that the swedish defense forces are going to kill all birds crossing their border.

      To protect the pidgins and the environment (and secondary the right of private communications for the people in Sweden) we need a new RFC for slugs.

      We should create a new RFC for a new animal helping us to communicate or whatever is needed whenever the laws are making it impossible for us to communicate privately using other means.

  5. Enterprise technologies by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is great news! As the CIO of a well known Fortune 500 company, I can envision some innovative global solutions built on this compelling technology.

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    1. Re:Enterprise technologies by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is great news! As the CIO of a well known Fortune 500 company, I can envision some innovative global solutions built on this compelling technology. I can envision your Fortune 500 company soon transitioning to the Fortune 500,000.
    2. Re:Enterprise technologies by kmsigel · · Score: 1, Funny

      The CIO of a Fortune 500 company has a 7 digit UID? Man, I'm getting old.

    3. Re:Enterprise technologies by Icarium · · Score: 1

      Well, in business bigger numbers are better, right?

  6. This needs an RFC by Cassini2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can see it coming already: TCP/IP over snails. A follow up to RFC-1149 A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers.

    1. Re:This needs an RFC by mysqlrocks · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can see it coming already: TCP/IP over snails.

      Even better: Snails on Rails.

    2. Re:This needs an RFC by pisto_grih · · Score: 1

      I have had it with these motherfucking sna...

    3. Re:This needs an RFC by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      And then we can develop our ASAX applications! Then /.ers can mod up posts in transit by coaxing the more interesting snails to arrive first.

    4. Re:This needs an RFC by LancupadMQ · · Score: 1

      How about Ruby on Snails?

  7. phew by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good thing this is only in the UK, otherwise the USPS might start getting worried about the competition.

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    1. Re:phew by drpimp · · Score: 2, Funny

      And good thing it's not in France, those lil boogers might get eaten and emails would be lost in a series of tubes. Intestinal tubes that is!

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    2. Re:phew by Inda · · Score: 1

      The competition can be effectively stifled with Metaldehyde. I like Metaldehyde.

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    3. Re:phew by MBCook · · Score: 1

      OK. Someone really needs to get a few hundred large snails (~postage stamp sized shell sides), paint USPS logos on the shell sides, and drop them in front of about a dozen popular post offices some morning.

      I would love to see that on the morning news.

      I wonder if Improv Everywhere could source a few hundred giant snail outfits?

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  8. Looks not quite what they say by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most everything seems to imply that the snails actually carry the message, but the fact that the snails carry RFID chips, and that one of the developers actually says the messages are tagged when a snail wanders nearby, makes me think that the actual message does indeed travel electronically only, and all the snail does is induce an artificial (albeit organic and biodegradeable) delay.

    1. Re:Looks not quite what they say by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, they tried to get the snails to carry the actual message, but it turns out the snails couldn't reliably copy it because not only do they lack hands, but their penmanship is atrocious.

      Attempts to get the snails to carry the emails in their internal memory were likewise unsuccessful because the snails lacked the ability to reliably retrieve the message from memory or communicate it effectively at the other end. Indeed, it was never really possible to determine if the messages were actually maintained in the snail's memory at all, even after repeated attempts to store them there. The snails did, however, form an inexplicable appetite for discount v1AgR@, so further study may be warranted.

    2. Re:Looks not quite what they say by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      They couldn't help optimizing transfer speed just a bit.

      It's addictive, man.

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    3. Re:Looks not quite what they say by kat_skan · · Score: 1

      The snails did, however, form an inexplicable appetite for discount v1AgR@, so further study may be warranted.

      This is an excellent example of the difference between "warranted" and "advisable".

    4. Re:Looks not quite what they say by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

      Do you have a warrant to study the v1AgR@?

    5. Re:Looks not quite what they say by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Really? I've had great success sending attachments to my messages.

      Then again, I've only tested with sending snails as attachments...

      - RG>

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  9. See RFC1217... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Funny

    Snails should be just another layer of slowness for
    http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1217.html system!

  10. Delayed by electricbern · · Score: 1

    The service will officially launch at SIGGRAPH on August 11, 2008.
    It will probably be delayed.

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  11. Cool by hurfy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was just looking for a new way to implement a tech support queue around here......

    1. Re:Cool by Xanius · · Score: 1

      That'd make for one hell of a hold message.
      " We appreciate your business, but not enough to answer your call in the order it was received, instead we're going to dick around until one of the snails in our cage manages to make a circuit between notification areas. We hope you rot in hell for being stupid and have a wonderful day."

  12. I'm worried... by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happens if the pigeons eat the snails?

    -Loyal

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    1. Re:I'm worried... by scubamage · · Score: 4, Funny

      Layer 4 snail protocols are in charge of resending lost snails. Obviously.

    2. Re:I'm worried... by sentientbeing · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then you wait under a tree for an air mail drop.

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    3. Re:I'm worried... by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      What happens if the pigeons eat the snails?

      Actually, I'd find it more disturbing if the snails ate the pigeons....

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    4. Re:I'm worried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pigeon + Snails = You double your bandwidth ! Although "unzipping" the compression may take a little while and is not guaranteed to be loss-less.

      Does anyone know the unladed flight capacity of a carrier pigeon ?

    5. Re:I'm worried... by Nef · · Score: 3, Funny

      African or European?

    6. Re:I'm worried... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I don't know that!

    7. Re:I'm worried... by Nathrael · · Score: 1

      Ew, it was about time for those classic-mail carrying animals to strike back at us evil e-mail-users for getting them out of business.

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    8. Re:I'm worried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, that's what the pelicans are for.

    9. Re:I'm worried... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if the message is important for you. Otherwise TCP can recover.

    10. Re:I'm worried... by laejoh · · Score: 0

      Well, neither as they like to eat snails in Europe!

    11. Re:I'm worried... by Nef · · Score: 1

      \/\/000005]-[!

  13. I though it was Royal Snail Mail by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean its the UK. Shouldn't the snails all have mini crowns?

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  14. Kinda slow... by VickiM · · Score: 2, Funny

    I read about this a little while back on BBC, I'm pretty sure. Maybe the submitter used the service for his submission? :)

  15. good way to deal with spam by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if you load the message queue with spam, the packets tend to bottleneck around the spam until the spam in the queue is exhausted

    on the plus side the spam tends to be consumed rather than multiply

    however, the message trail only gets slimier during and after spam bottlenecking

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  16. Routers by scubamage · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone interested in investing in my new patented(pending) salt-based router technology?

    1. Re:Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, it isn't much of a router as much as it is a heck of a good firewall. I can definitely see those packets dropping right at the edge there. If you do manage to perfect it, you are encouraged to present your findings at the Southern Linux User Group.

    2. Re:Routers by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      We've been selling a salt-based packet shaper for years.

    3. Re:Routers by infinite9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I certainly am. A DDOS attack would look like a bad horror movie.

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  17. Path by jon159785 · · Score: 1

    What gives the snails direction? How does the snail know where to deliver to? Or is it random if they just happen to wander by the right place?

    1. Re:Path by Socguy · · Score: 1

      It's random. One one side of the snail tank is an encoder that will 'fill' an empty RFID glued to a snail when it passes by (really close I would guess), and on the other side of the tank is a receiver that 'empties' the RFID and sends the message on its way. Judging by the food comment later in the article, the designer may encourage movement between the two points by placing food near both the locations, however, that is speculation on my part. In the end it is totally random with the athleticism of one of the snails being a major factor. The athletic snail, has delivered 10 of 14 successfully transmitted messages and another not-so-athletic one being completely unreliable having failed, thus far, to deliver any messages.

  18. RFC2549 Redux by Obsi · · Score: 1

    This seems to me to be in the spirit of RFC 2549, "IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service". I should suggest this as an idea for the AF09 RFC.

    I wonder how the speed compares to 2549-compliant methods of delivery?

  19. mail by SirusTV · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neither rain nor snow nor sleet, but salt? Oh man.

  20. MAILER-DAEMON-SUN-FAILURE...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please try resending mail on cloudy day

  21. Spam problem by hkz · · Score: 1

    Finally a failproof solution for spam! The French will gladly take care of that one for us.

    1. Re:Spam problem by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      By the time my v1a6r4 spam gets to me, I'll be old enough to be interested!

  22. No snails were harmed ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    And as a gardener I have only one word to say about that.

    Darn!

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  23. Call me old fashioned by Haoie · · Score: 1

    But there are few things as rewarding as getting a hand written letter in the mail.

    Especially if delivered by a snail? Well, maybe not.

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  24. Traceroute by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just follow the slime.

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  25. Should have called it S-Mail by Ackmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    That way, when they start shipping packages, they could call it S-Cargo.

    1. Re:Should have called it S-Mail by Grendel70 · · Score: 1

      Damn. And on a day when I don't have any mod points. Made me spit coffee out of my nose.

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    2. Re:Should have called it S-Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that the cars used to transport those packages need to have bright "S"es painted on them, so that all spectators of said vehicles can exclaim "Wow, look at that S-Cargo S-car go!"

    3. Re:Should have called it S-Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean slipping packages, right?

  26. Security concerns by scottymuse · · Score: 1

    Are there any encryption options and can someone insert an extra tagging/receiving node in the path that could perform a MITM attack?

  27. Obligatory by aembleton · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one welcome our new shell based overlords.

  28. Head-to-head by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Someone should set-up a head-to-head with 'slow'hosts - my money's on the snails.

  29. Not for use in all the EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see this working in France...

  30. Snails will DIE! by VoxMagis · · Score: 1

    I hope none of these snails have any implanted medical devices - the death rate could be terrible!

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/24/2152212

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  31. I predict by jalet · · Score: 1

    a lot of packets lost if they route them through France...

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  32. Overhead by JustOK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Snails? Stupid idea. Too much overhead. They carry their homes with them. Use slugs instead.

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  33. Given the way ISPs are being strongarmed by damburger · · Score: 1

    I think this is probably the safest way to torrent in the UK these days

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  34. But... by aj50 · · Score: 1

    do they offer tracking?

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  35. Imagine a beowulf cluster of these... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    ...Gaaaa! That's disgusting!

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  36. Send me some spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone needs to work on a similar concept with spam mail. I could use some free Hormel goodness.

  37. RealSnailMail brought to its knees... by PottedMeat · · Score: 1

    by zero day DBS (Denial By Salt) attack.

  38. Actually could come in handy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could actually come in handy... when you actually do want to delay a message but still send it. Good for excuses. For example. Yes Jill I sent you that invite a week ago, you didn't get it? How strange... or the check is in the email... =)

  39. Well Done! a partial solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would seem you've solved the RST part of the TCP puzzle.

  40. Mod parent +1 funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent +1 funny

  41. More details by K.os023 · · Score: 1

    from the linked Real Snail Mail blog:

    Each snail is equipped with a small glass capsule attached to its shell. The capsule contains a tiny chip and coil antenna that can be activated by a reader at a range of 3 cm.

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  42. FIRST POST!!?? by Tmack · · Score: 1
    I think, but the latency on these things is horrible!

    Tm

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  43. My new ISP by archont · · Score: 1

    At least it doesn't block torrent traffic.

  44. More horrors... by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    And I thought they couldn't make backscatter any more horrible.

  45. and its by nimbius · · Score: 0

    still faster than an MS Exchange cluster.

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  46. Ka-Boom! by Hobbs114 · · Score: 1

    It's a good thing the site hasn't fully launched or the /. effect would have blown those little snails to pieces!