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FBI's New Eye Scan Database Raising Eyebrows
mattnyc99 writes "The FBI has confirmed to Popular Mechanics that it's not only adding palm prints to its criminal records, but preparing to balloon its repository of photos, which an agency official says 'could be the basis for our facial recognition.' It's all part of a new biometric software system that could store millions of iris scans within 10 years and has privacy advocates crying foul. Quoting: 'The FBI's Next Generation Identification (NGI) system, which could cost as much as $1 billion over its 10-year life cycle, will create an unprecedented database of biometric markers, such as facial images and iris scans. For criminal investigators, NGI could be as useful as DNA some day — a distinctive scar or a lopsided jaw line could mean the difference between a cold case and closed one. And for privacy watchdogs, it's a dual threat — seen as a step toward a police state, and a gold mine of personal data waiting to be plundered by cybercriminals.'"
There has never been a better time to invest in Ray-Ban!
The DMV and the US government already have my picture (passport). Why should I give a shit if the FBI has it or has access to it?
I think someone's been watching too many movies. Aren't modern day iris scanners bad for your eyes. Sending crazy bright light directly into a person's eye will obviously damage it if it's done enough times. So all that logging in every day at the government's secret lab stuff is pure science fiction. I think personally doing an iris scan once can destroy enough rods or whatever to make people complain. They shouldn't be using this system and expecting people to be scanned whenever they want them to be.
Google's Super Secret Search Algorithm: SELECT @search_results FROM internet WHERE @search_results = 'good'
> And for privacy watchdogs, it's a duel threat
I guess they really threw down the gauntlet, huh?
Now which weapon should I choose... rapier and/or dagger?
"Slow down, Cowboy! It has been 3 years, 7 months and 26 days since you last successfully posted a comment."
A duel threat for privacy advocates! Pistols at ten paces for ye all!
If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
And for privacy watchdogs, it's a duel threat
En garde!
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Patrol power to seize and conduct invasive searches of personal electronics. This could be used to:
-- tie in to those with NO criminal history (expunged records or not),
-- facilitate with a passing of the "trusted flyer" types of background checks
-- clear or continue to clear travelers (especially domestic travelers returning to the wretched "no mans land" areas through Customs
-- databank ALL federal law enforcement and borders personnel and tie them to every case (except, maybe "deep cover" operations, as far as trials and hearings go, but can also be used to exonerate CERTAIN deep cover operatives who are only killing of bad guys in the course of their operations) of seized property, so that compromised privacy and business and entrepreneurial losses and damages and legal costs can be charged directly back to Border Patrol AND to the directors as well as the personnel making a decision to seize and search electronics beyond the cursory wipe pad and X-Ray/T-Ray-types of scans.
The music and video IP losses are best handled electronically by sniffing the users and the sites hosting illegally-hosted content. Unless a person has been electronically tagged and followed locally or globally, Customs needs to be stripped of the charter of searching content that is electronic. Look at pictures, yes. Briefly peruse any readily-exposed items, yes. READ matter, NO! These days, too many privacy and marginalization issues abound, and it only takes ONE agent on the take to ruin the life or livelihood of a non-criminal.
Hopefully, the laptops of the porn-peddlers were actually targeted PRIOR to seizures because they were legitimate targets, not because of random searches. This *might* explain the lower-published numbers of seizures.
(NO, I haven't "thought of everything"; that's not possible...)
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how else would the scanner be able to read the eye?
Once they get a DNA database everyone, you'll have to leave the house wearing gloves and protective clothing so you don't accidentally leave DNA on someone who happens to get murdered later.
Reminds me of the Stevens Creek Acura (or, ahem, Acura of Stevens Creek, in SillyConJobAlley) advert/coupon I received in 1992-1993. Just a cursory scan of it lead my eye(s) to:
"Duel Airbags"... I thought, "That could be worse than getting into a collision/wreck..."
I think I STILL have that coupon somewhere...
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The iris scans seem benign to me. I'm not entirely sure how they would scan the insides of your eyeballs without your consent, at least for now. What concerns me is the facial scans. I have a feeling that this is more than just pictures like on a passport. I'm thinking more along the lines of a virtual model of one's physical features, possibly built from various images into a kind of 3-D composite. There are a few problems with this. One is that you could be mistaken for someone else (obviously). Another is that this would only work with a very sophisticated camera surveillance system, or what would be the point? So this could mean that the government is planning to really step up their surveillance program. And of course they'll give us the same bullshit about fighting violent crime and terrorism, and people will eat it up. And then there will be cameras everywhere, like in China. That's what really scares me about this.
The U.S. government and Popular Mechanics have been in bed together for quite some time now. Remember the desperate and failed attempt to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories in one of their issues? It only generated more suspicion and exposed their tight relationship. This leaves me to believe that Popular Mechanics is probably glorifying this Police State tactic.
Popular Mechanics is garbage. It's for people who want to pretend to be smart.
Retinal, Iris, or Iro-Recto?
IIRC, there is a hidden part of the body having its OWN type of "fingerprint". An Oculo-Anulo scan, like in a pair of calipers, would give quite a .... measure of one's eye-dent-tity...
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Anybody notice the mention of Lockheed Martin in the original article?
Really? Is more outsourcing of sensitive government tasks the way to go? Have we learned nothing from experience...
wait, what do they mean by raised eyebrows?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
They should use the politicians that control the agency, and the upper level bosses in the agency, as the first test subjects. Not that they have anything to hide, but I'm guessing they wouldn't like it in this case.
Since most Doctors already send out patient records, billing and everything to the Medical Information Bureau, it looks to me like this stuff is already available.
I went in to my Eye Doctor's recently, and everything was computerized and automated. Including taking a picture of the retina, which popped up on a computer screen to be viewed.
The trouble is, there really are no laws designating control over this at the backend (I'm aware of HIPPA, and it's a joke IMO). Which is exactly what the secretive MIB likes, and strives to keep things this way.
So, if you think this database doesn't exist already, you are kidding yourself. It's just a question of when the FBI will fully obtain it.
Well, what about the people with no eyeballs? OR HANDS?! OR FACES!? OR EVEN DNA?! You think criminals are dangerous, it's the criminal zombies you have to be really afraid of! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
If ya'll don't gots nothin' ta hide den let us shine dem lazurs in yo eyes boy. Can't let dem terrorists win, stop hatin' America!
if I hadn't left an image of my retina at the crime scene!
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
Why do they need our Eye Scan Data? I do not leave my iris information at a crime scene. I do however leave my DNA and fingerprints. So what happens when the FBI DB gets hacked and some serial killer changes his Eye Scan with mine. The FBI has no way of knowing who is who. I know some of you may say that the FBI will also have pictures of me and witnesses etc. but it use to be that DNA was not trusted very much and now a person can be put away on DNA evidence alone, so it is all too soon till a person can be put a way or arrested just because their eye scan says they are someone they are not.
I smoked pot once. But I DID NOT inhale. Will you hire me?
You know, they identify crispy corpses using dental records somewhat accurately. Only the craziest of criminals (see The Whole Nine Yards) would do something like replacing teeth or removing teeth. How hard would it be to implement dental authentication? In addition, I believe teeth are one thing that even genetically similar people differ on because environmental factors affect their development.
Technology has been moving this way for decades. There is even an argument that it's been moving this way for centuries.
And so what? How much is this really going to effect us? Really? As things stand we have all our information stored by banks, hospitals, employers, and social networks. This is a natural progression.
Anyone who thinks governments wouldn't do this obviously didn't pay attention at school. They've been doing this since they came into existence.
This isn't going to result in a police state. Whats going on in Zimbabwe leads to a police state, not what we have here. All this is is a centralisation of information.
As for me, I don't care whether they want this info or not. And as for the cybercriminal thing, you believe your bank/hospital/employer is any safer? Seriously?
If this move would damn us, we've already been damned for some time.
Next up, world doesn't end when this happens.
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Yeah, the iris ID thing is ludicrous, if you think about it from the idea that
they'd use it to identify you as having been at the scene of a crime.
No, I believe that government has no legitimate right or responsibility to track
the physiological details of its citizens.
It's not a matter of falsely accusing an innocent person. It's a matter of using
the information for political purposes, or harassment of an innocent person.
The government of the US has proven it won't even comply with espionage laws
involving protection of informants. The government of the US has proven it
can't protect its citizens from criminal or negligent data loss by its own
employees.
I'm supposed to trust these clowns not to fabricate false allegations against
people, and use physical data to ensure persecution?
No.
OK /.ers, if you're opposed to this, let's hear the alternatives. Describe a system that allows quickly tracking down criminals but protects personal privacy.
Iris scans are a really bad idea. An iris gives away way too much information. In particular it allows to diagnose many illnesses:
But they still cant find Osama?
Look Into the Laser With Your REMAINING Eye.
The BIG problems with biometrics that rely on external facial features along with such things as facial bone structures is that they CAN be foxed rather easily by a good makeup artist as well as by plastic surgery.
Scars can be added - and removed - both by clever applications of makeup and/or plastic surgery. The set of a person's eyebrow ridge can similarly e altered (for the purpose of fooling scans) using either technology as well. So can the set of one's cheekbones, jawline or even the confirmation of the ears (another unique body feature, like the fingerprint).
Once again, the government goes down a path that is easily mucked up and that will produce highly questionable results.
Thanks again, Washington, for spending more of our money on eye scanners and less on things like flood control programs, bridge inspection teams and systems to keep our ports safe from maniacs who just might try to blow one of them higher than up!
this has been a real eye-opener!
-- Boycott Shell
At least the history survives... ?
Minority Report.
There's an investigative agency called Griffin Inc. that's been providing biometrics and other identification technology to the casinos around the country for years. Although originally designed to identify known cheats engaged in illegal activities, Griffin also has a tendency to try to paint those engaged in legal (but frowned upon) advantage gaming behavior with the same broad strokes.
.gov will probably end up doing similar sorts of things with their own biometric database...
I suspect that
Anybody notice the mention of Lockheed Martin in the original article?
Really? Is more outsourcing of sensitive government tasks the way to go? Have we learned nothing from experience...
The federal government outsources just about all of their sensitive science and engineering. Sandia National Lab is run by Lockheed Martin. LANL and LLNL are also run by contractors. Nothing new.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
looks like all us "four-eyes" are going to have an extra modicum of privacy.
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Somewhere in here there is a Corey Heart joke
How did this get put in the "Developers" category? Seems more like a YRO item to me.
I'm just sayin'..
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
So...
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...Am I the only one to see this as a useless thing?
...well, i hope, at least...
let's say i don't want to be recognised...
I'd just need sunglasses/reflective lens?
What about coloured contact-lenses?
I mean... if auth is required, then this system is not needed. We already have id cards for that and much more.
So I suppose this will be deployed (if ever) in public places and things like that... but then, you can not force anyone not to wear sunglasses!
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." -- Mark Twain
Virginia Supreme Court struck down use of a similar, if not identical, device maybe five years ago. They had it in place at the Roanoke County Jail (4 hours south of DC on I-81) to scan the visitors.
It'll be interesting to see how far this goes and how it gets challenged.
Most felons lose their rights, and when you're being prosecuted by the government (aka legal mafia), well... anything goes, neh?
And this is ok on the face of it, but NOT the way these companies are being allowed to abuse it. Just because the abuse is ubiquitous doesn't mean it's ok.. that's like going back to the 1850's and arguing "slavery is the result of natural progression".
Oh it doesn't hurt you at all as long as you're a conformist lemming who "has nothing to fear because he's done nothing 'wrong'
as for other effects
How about shortening people's lives with nagging telemarketing or killing wide swaths of the rainforest? I receive more useless paper in the form of junk mail each week from companies who buy this abusively shared information than I have ever used in a given year as a double major.
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I have a question for anyone involved in the field of biometrics or just human physiology-
Are iris scans (or retina scans) useful after a person has died? If they are, how long do they remain useful?
I would imagine that, being soft tissue, they would be the first ID technique to become useless, but I wonder exactly how long investigators would have.
-b
No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
Cue the minority report!
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Really, really far. Especially in public places.
For those who would prefer not to wallow in self induced ignorance, (both of you), here's a few links you might find relevant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_recognition http://www.findbiometrics.com/Pages/iris_articles/iris_1.html http://www.iridiantech.com/index2.php The rest of us may now return to mindless ranting. Enjoy!
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On top of everything else this Administration has brought, a step just doesn't quite cover it.
The FBI was given no research budget and thus have no choice except outsourcing the development of improved identification methods.
I saw Rectal Scanner. I wasn't at all surprised, just prayed there was still room in the budget for KY!
1. Wait patiently in line. ...
2. Approach iris scanning machine.
3. Beat iris scanning machine into pieces with wrecking bar hidden in trousers.
4. Get arrested and sent to prison.
5. Join the millions who died in many wars for the rights being shat upon by the administration in knowing you did something good for humanity.
6.
7. Profit! (Morally)
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I'm curious, what can be learned scientifically from a database of millions of people's fingerprints, iris scans, and DNA?
Also, should this kind of information be in the hands of a government we(the people) were meant to control, not the other way around?
I get the feeling we're all lab test monkeys.
The federal government outsources just about all of their sensitive science and engineering. Sandia National Lab is run by Lockheed Martin. LANL and LLNL are also run by contractors.
And that's why it's called the "military-industrial complex"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex
President Eisenhower popularized the phrase, but it's an old concept.
Apparently even the fascists worried about the MIC.
Nothing new.
Well... the GP is obviously new here
(no really, he is)
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1. Wait patiently in line.
2. Approach iris scanning machine.
3. Beat iris scanning machine into pieces with wrecking bar hidden in trousers.
4. Get arrested and sent to prison.
5. Join the millions who died in many wars for the rights being shat upon by the administration in knowing you did something good for humanity.
6. ...
7. Profit! (Morally)
1. wait patiently for the motorcade. ...
2. approach politician with outstretched left hand and concealed weapon in right
3. shoot politician repeatedly
4. get arrested and sent to the gas chamber (or shot)
5. Join the millions who died in many wars for the rights being shat upon by the administration in knowing you did something good for humanity.
6.
7. Profit! (Morally)
8. A big shout out to all the fbi agents who read this post.
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It's called: none of the above.
At least in the US, you have several rights and tenants under law that this would appear to violate:
1. Innocent until proven guilty
2. Right to avoid unreasonable search and seizure
3. Right to be secure in your travels.
Since this is presumably being done in a public forum for 'security' the 4th amendment will be a key issue.
"So what happens when the FBI DB gets hacked and some serial killer changes his Eye Scan with mine. The FBI has no way of knowing who is who."
You will be "identifried"..., until you get the true hacker "identified". You have to fight an eye for an eye...
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I'm not scared of the FBI having this technology. It's a good thing that will help catch criminals. What I'm worried about is prosecutors attempting to site a facial or iris recognition by a computer as evidence. Good Scenario: Suspect X is wanted and probably fleeing the country. The FBI gets data feeds from cameras at airports and train stations. The system recognizes Suspect X at DFW airport. The FBI calls security and they pick up suspect X. Bad scenario: Say the prosecutor needs to show that suspect X was at the crime scene at 8 AM. The system takes someone's photograph at the appropriate time and place and matches it to suspect X. But when the jury looks at the photograph, it's impossible for a human to tell if it's suspect X or not. But, since the computer says it is, the prosecution claims suspect X was at the crime scene at 8:00 AM.
So if I was to blow up sth with my Superman Laser Rays the FBI would be able to track me down? cool
They can't keep a database of ballistic fingerprints of every handgun being sold. This would actually be useful with technology that is 20+ years old and could eliminate the lottery that law enforcement currently faces when they turn up a suspicious handgun.
How about the FBI create a better database which keeps a record of ALL government emails, and they not go missing / corrupted in backup etc. as soon as the government is being investigated for criminal activity? Now that's one database worth having.
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Most commercial eye-drops for dilating pupils contain an alkaloid one can obtain from several common weeds that grow all over the place. The Belladonna (deadly nightshade) plant is rumored to have gotten it's name 'cause women would use the berry juice to dilate their pupils as part of their beauty routine. Any muscle relaxant should do, though.
Really? I didn't know that. Every time the cops stop me, they are absolutely convinced I'm stoned* , and they do that shine the flashlight in your eyes to see if they adjust trick. Any idea what that is about?
* I've never used the stuff in my life, but I have long hair and talk slowly so I guess that makes me a stoner.
That doesn't bother me half as much (since I live a relatively straight life) as the fact that many of my tattoos are common w/in certain subcultures, some of which have high crime rates. An ignorant cop and/or DA might take a single tattoo as "evidence" that I was the perp in whatever case, and I'd end up having to defend myself for no good reason.
As for retinal and/or other unique identifiers (including tattoos), I think these should only be used to verify guilt or innocence in a trial. Nowhere else. But who am to halt "progress" (even if it's just the progress of a boot grinding into our collective faces)?
PC moderators can suck my White pierced, tattooed dick. If you think pride == hate, s/dick/Aryan meat mallet/g.
OTOH, if I sober up, they'll never recognize me.
Keep an eye on Cogent Systems (COGT). They provide the back-end matching for the US-Visit fingerprint program. They would be the most logical company to be chosen to provide the core system for the new FBI contract.
They have a video on their web site that tells all about them.
http://www.cogentsystems.com/video.asp
Learned nothing from experience?
SR-71 designed by Lockheed
F-117 designed by Lockheed
Those projects began a long time ago (with respect to how long the secrets were protected). And still were unveiled to the public as a shock.
Private contractors get the same background checks as the government employees receive. Aside from a loyalty oath, I doubt you could request much more. (and I'm not sure that an oath would get you anything real protection)
(FYI, if you want to know about government craziness, read up about the polygraphs that they give you when checking you out.)
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The article mentions a trade study for the guts of the project -the matching algorythms. Lockheed and the FBI should announce soon who they have chosen to provide the "guts." The leading contender would be Cogent Systems (a US company - stock symbol COGT) that currently provides the backend services for the fingerprint matching part of the US-VISIT program.
Informative video about the company on their website
http://www.cogentsystems.com/video.asp
I recall hearing that pregnancy can cause a woman's iris to change. And, IIRC, some medications can change the iris. Can anyone comment on the validity of that and whether or not it would affect an eye scan?
It's called the "CSI Effect" in the security industry, and all of us who have to deal with it absolutely hate it. We have customers who expect their cheap $500 security camera to be able to read the license plate of the car at the other end of the parking lot, or automatically identify when a person is loitering to catch a bus or loitering to mug someone. Television programs are an absolute pain in the ass.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Anybody notice the mention of Lockheed Martin in the original article? Really? Is more outsourcing of sensitive government tasks the way to go? Have we learned nothing from experience...
The gov't doesn't have the manpower or sometimes the experience/knowledge to do something like this. They have everyday stuff to take care of. No time to build something new. Contracts go on all the time both for development and O&M. Geez, and all this time I thought the gov't built their own planes for the military too. I guess Lockheed Martin (SR-71 Blackbird [back when it was just Lockheed] anyone?) just has their hands in everything don't they? By the way, IBM also bid on the contract for NGI. They lost, obviously. All I know is that with NGI being a 10 year contract, it keeps people like me employed.
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- Those who propose such nonsense should be the first to be entered into such system.
- Those who operate such a system should be in it, and monitored (also a solution for the UK CCTV - as it's allegedly "for the public good" it's only fair that the public can have a real time look at those allegedly "protecting" them).
- *ANY* system that fails to deliver on its promise will require extensive review of what went wrong and by who. That includes, but isn't limited to the politicians promoting it, the consultants confirming feasibility (I'm talking about the "rent an outcome" mob) and the quality of project definition, control and implementation. To put this in a simple phrase: if it fails go after those who have been feeding at the trough.
- Anyone falling foul of the above will have their biometrics published
However, this should be balanced with reporting where it has been done well, to encourage good practices.
I reckon implementing the above could tamper enthusiasm somewhat. It also nicely bounces back the "nothing to hide" argument - if it's all so good and wonderful I'm sure there is no problem with doing it right..
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I am constantly amazed at how overly concerned some people are about technology. Identifying me when I am in public is something that anyone and everyone has the right to do, inside or outside of the government. That is the whole concept of PUBLIC. Now that the FBI has a way to identify people even faster through the use of technology, shouldn't the very same advocates be thrilled? After all, isn't one of the arguments against this technology: people are being unnecessarily and unjustly singled out? I would much rather have computers deciding if I look like I'm on their most wanted list, instead of Mulder and Scully deciding that I "...just look fishy..." and hauling me off into the back room.
Sounds to me like a re-implementation of the system proposed by Bertillion a century and a half ago. No doubt it'll be a rip-roaring success this time around too.
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It's been as bad if not worse.
I cheered when that asshat died in 1972.
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Iris scans are a bad idea. Not to mention what someone could do if the database of iris patterns were to be compromised.
Oh, but it would give many a great false sense of security.
As far as Security is concerned, nothing beats a well-chosen password. And if your password becomes compromised, you can easily change that. If, on the other hand, someone steals your irises, you can't change that so easily -- unless you are now willing to wear contact lenses as the result of iris identity theft!!!!
If anyone still thinks after reading this that iris scans are a good idea, I'll be more than happy to take your picture with my 10 megapixel camera!!!! :-)
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Debating privacy is like trying to debate the death penalty. There is no point in talking to someone that is exteme on either side - i.e. if you have already set your mind to it that the death penalty is wrong, period, you have no business as part of the discussion when it comes to applying it. Same with the privacy issue - there's not a lot of difference between fingerprints and iris scans - the REAL issue here is that these people want nothing kept on anyone. That's just stupid. A real discussion can only come between people that accept some amount of privacy must be given up in a civilized society. The answer has to lie somewhere been nothing and everything - neither can be the final answer.
EK
I have worked on government projects that included iris scanner technology.
To enter the room we worked in, you needed to iris scan.
Also the stuff we were working on incorprated iris scanners connected to PCs by a special PCI card. We played with them, wrote code that captured the data from them, and made them part of an access control system.
Iris scanners are buggy at best. Someone with the same eye color can usually fool the scanner after several attempts. Even the correct person sometimes has trouble being cleared, they have to look into the scanner just right, if their head is tilted a little or they aren't dead-on, they have to retry. So numerous retries allows the unscrupulous person many attempts to get in.
Iris scanners are always backed up by other systems. Card scans, PINs, Voice Recognition, hand geometry, fingerprint, armed guards, etc.
The point is, (unless the technology has progressed a lot), you have VERY LITTLE to worry about the FBI collecting YOUR IRIS scan.
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