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The Microsoft Office Rental Program
LWATCDR writes "Yes, it looks like Microsoft is going to a rental program for Office.
From the article,
'The software bundle, which also includes Microsoft's Live OneCare computer security software, will be sold at nearly 700 Circuit City stores for $70 per year.'
Well I for one will be happy to stick with OpenOffice for now. From Microsoft's point of view it means a constant flow of money. For the customer it means you only have to pay a little each year instead of a lot every few years. I don't think this will save the average user any money and I wonder about problems with 'activation.'
So will this fly, or will it give a big push to OpenOffice?
The version of Office that is more than enough for most people (Excel/Word/Powerpoint and OneNote... is there an open source equivalent of OneNote that is roughly as good, btw?) is far from a "lot". Its 140-150$ for 3 licenses. (it does have limitations though, so often you'll want open office, but its still not "a lot").
Keep in mind this subscription thing is also that: 70$/year for 3 licenses + support.
before people realize that OpenOffice works just as well AND is free.
Of course so does a pirated copy of MS Office.
The problem with this model is that not everyone needs constant upgrades. At our office, we still you Office '97 because it does everything we need. If we are forced to pay every year for unnecessary upgrades, I believe that Open Office will be in our future.
"For the customer it means you only have to pay a little each year instead of a lot every few years."
The problem is more along the lines of, "this means MSFT can tax the consumer every year instead of the consumer using the same copy of Office they've been using since 97 or 2000 which still works just fine."
would I want to rent an office in Redmond? I live in Virginia, you insensitive clods!
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I'm pretty sure that's me, and I use Google docs. It's a natural since I have never bought my own printer in twenty years. When I need to print something, I do it at work, or the public library or Kinko's. So tell me why I'd pay $70 per year for Word?
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http://openoffice.org/ has already been mentioned heaps of times. I won't bother saying anything more about it.
This is old news, Microsoft has been wanting to rent software for ages.
Two types of customer. The home user is used to renting software such as Virus Checkers and the like. Yes, it isn't really renting as such, but whatever. Microsoft really just needs to convince them that it's a good deal, and they are done. However, considering that many people don't have access to broadband (yes, not everyone lives in a city, and some people are still too poor to pay even if they can access it), I wonder how they will distribute the updates. Actually, do you get to keep the software when you stop paying? Previously it stopped working (you could only view the documents). Is that such a great thing for home customers?
Business customers would probably love this though. At least some of them. Pay less, always get the latest version. Except they got screwed over with something like this before already, they didn't actually get a new version for ages (I can't remember the details).
Oh yeah, one final thought, what about setting up your own server to pretend to be the MS server and say, "yes, you're a legit copy" to any software that queries it? And/or introduce a crack into the system so that it doesn't shut down?
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I see absolutely no reason to update from office 2003.
If Microsoft start down the 'future versions won't open your files' crap then I'll jump ship to OpenOffice. For now though I see no compelling reason to switch. I would imagine this is aimed firmly at corporate customers.
Yeah, I know, its not fashionable to actually like office 2003, but its a good product, I've always liked it. Besides, ever tried writing a doctoral thesis in OpenOffice? I have, it's not easy.
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I would be worried that OO.o might get overlooked for pirated copies of MS Office. Thankfully, Microsoft has finally stopped using their own pirated software as an advertising expense. The harder they make it to pirate, the more folks will move to OO.o. After all, if all those people who were pirating it in the first place can't pirate (and still don't want to pay), what are they going to use?
If OpenOffice is so good, why do it's advocates always have to say "oh it's just as good" etc? Yet they continue to either ignore or deride the frequent comments made here that it is slow and missing a great deal of the power functionality that a lot of users need. I myself have tried it several times over the years, and compared to my old copy of Office XP and later Office 2003, it just wasn't as functional for my usage.
Yep, Office 97 is adequate IMO, but when you buy in new machines they often come with newer versions of office, so those with 97 start whining because their interface isn't as shiny, or features like shared email folders are harder to access. Or, worse, they actually need a newer version to cope with the files that those with newer versions are churning out. Yes you can save to older formats, but most people will just regard that as a PITA, especially when it comes to things like PST files..
If someone came up with a good free shared email/calendar alternative to Outlook then that would be awesome. I meant to try out the latest version of thunderbird, still haven't got around to it.. basically Exchange and Outlook are quite a good solution. I definitely don't want to get rid of Exchange right now as it means road warriors can easily access their email through their phones without having to deal with Crapberry network issues all the time etc, but if Outlook was dethroned then OpenOffice would be a very viable solution for a lot of our desktops. And that also means that Linux would be quite viable in some cases too :) I can dream at least..
Thankfully only 2 of our machines have been ordered with Vista so far - one by our MD, and one by an insubordinate IT assistant who needed a multimedia spec machine for presentations, and it doesn't even work for it - why do Dell laptops always seem to have strange problems with projectors??. If MS keep forcing Vista on businesses then I'd make a concerted effort to replace as many of our machines as possible with FOSS alternatives though, rather than having to get Volume licensing stuff for all new machines just so that we can downgrade. And that's only if drivers are even available for the newer stuff - for some new Dells like the one I mentioned, you can't! Perhaps there are some hacked drivers out there that will allow me to 'downgrade' it though..
which is totally what she said
It works out to less than $7 per month--less than what most people are paying to "rent" Netflix or "rent" cable TV. You can find free "open source" equivalents of both Netflix (most public libraries have a selection of videos) and cable TV (over the air). Somehow /.'ers are appalled at paying for software, but think nothing of buying electronics or other toys.
The cost of office for a home user is relatively cheap (about $120 to buy) or $7/month to rent, and the best that can be said for OO is that it's "almost as good" as Office (like over the air TV is "almost as good" as cable).
If the home users want to bring home work, full Office compatibility is really worth a couple of bucks. FYI, most corporate licenses allow home use at no or minimal cost.
This has been mentioned before but running on the assumption you aren't trolling I'll update you a bit. OO.o does still have some bloat issues (primarily during launch, once it's running it's very quick). However, you can turn on an option that loads a small TSR on boot-up which eliminates that lag. Admittedly, it's a bit kludgy, but to be honest, I'd wager MS only gets away with a fast start to Office because part of it's core is in the OS so it seems a fair trade.
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As a side note, the startup process has improved enough that I don't bother with the TSR on newer machines but for the very impatient it's a nice feature to turn on. Give the latest OO.o a spin and see what you think. It's still not fancy but it's a great workhorse, gets the job done, and is free. What more could you want?
I've had it with your closed, proprietary OS and file formats!
I'm getting an iMac with iWork.
I personally try to avoid using Windows, Office, et al, as often as possible, but I recognize that this is a good business plan.
Microsoft Office still has the (somewhat justifiable) reputation of being the best office productivity suite available, and lowering the barrier to entry (even if the consumer pays more in the long-term) will make it easier for consumers to justify purchasing the software.
OpenOffice has no monetary barrier, but it does have three other barriers that for most people make it worse of an offer than MS Office:
1) Brand Recognition - Sun Microsystems has always focused on the enterprise, not consumers, and so few would even know they are a large multinational corp. and then those few (the geeks) would be split on whether they like or dislike them.
2) Initial Experience - The earlier releases of OpenOffice were painfully slow and did a poor job with MS Office files' formatting. Both of these are improving, but many may have already written the suite off. The formatting issue is even worse than the speed, as many people have to collaborate on documents with others who use MS Office, leading to the third barrier...
3) The Lemming Effect - Some people just want to use whatever is popular, even if they don't really know why they would want to. This psychological barrier is probably the most difficult to remedy, with disillusionment in the big player being the quickest course of action. Office 2007 has disillusioned some of its users -- unfortunately that disillusionment is based on an unwillingness to change.
Office 2007's interface is a creative new way to work on documents, (whether you think its better or worse than before) and trying to attract those who don't want change will only stagnate the OpenOffice suite into an Office 2003 clone with new ideas from other office suites (Office 2007 and KOffice, for instance) either being ignored or shoehorned in poorly when the file format has changed to reflect these new features.
So, by making it easier for end-users to use arguably the one really good piece of software they develop, which only runs on their crappy (to develop on and to use) operating system, they have at least slowed the tide in the transition of the operating system to a commodity product.
(Disclaimer: I don't really like using either Office suite whenever I can get away with it, and prefer to do everything in PDFLaTeX. I mostly just use OpenOffice Impress, which hasn't had much difficulty in reading PowerPoint files correctly.)
I think the rental program will be a big hit with groups that need to open an office and operate for a relatively short period of time. Perfect example: Campaign Offices. The offices are only needed until November, then they will shut down for 3 years and kick it back up in 2012. They can save 50-60% by renting office for one year instead of purchasing it.
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It won't make any difference though.
You frosty piss or the new MSO pricing scheme?
People who go for this will view MSO as a bill, not as an investment or as part of the 'computer' (that includes all hardware and software purchased at the same time, believe it or not many people don't understand the difference). When MSO is a bill, switching to Open Office will be a financial incentive: stop paying those bills! Switching someone who's already paid for MSO to OOo and claiming that OOo is free sure is a funny argument. It also makes MSO look like it has more value, as the user already paid for it. So the user already paid for the valuable item, why would he use the free one?
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Microsoft is doing something smart. The one program most often sold with a new PC is security software. Bundling their own security software and a copy of office makes sense to get users hooked early on. However why would you buy security software from someone who makes such a security hole ridden OS in the first place. While I don't keep a copy of office on my PC, I do use one on my Mac. Still, I fire up open office more than I do any Microsoft program.
The problem with this model is that not everyone needs constant upgrades. At our office, we still you Office '97 because it does everything we need. If we are forced to pay every year for unnecessary upgrades, I believe that Open Office will be in our future.
The question is whether you're paying rent or for upgrades. I know most companies lease assets, rent services and so on instead of buying. Even things that they need all the time, because they got a professional supplier that is good at what they do and charge a reasonable price, it's got nothing to do with upgrades as such. It's the difference between say a company with a leasing agreement for company cars, and you buying a car and saying "Well we still use our '97 model car because it does everything we need." The model has already been used to deliver software as a service and works in some areas.
The reason I think this is a rotten idea is that Microsoft is very dominant in office software. Rental agreements are a very simple way of making sure you get money each and every year as long as people use it, even if there's little to no innovation. The whole advantage to the consumer, and the reason there's usually some premium, is that you're not that committed. End the rental agreement, sign on someone else. In a market completely dominated by Microsoft, where's the advantage?
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Yes - what is your point?
At our office, we still you Office '97 because it does everything we need.
Did you use Word 97's grammar check whilst writing this post? :-)
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IANAL but isn't bundling their anti-virus with Office a pretty blatant use of their monopoly to take over other markets?
Or has the government not officially ruled/admitted MS has an Office monopoly, only an OS monopoly?
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I think you're absolutely correct.
This move, IMHO, has at least three major drivers:
1. Continuous revenue stream (as noted before). They know that a certain percentage will stay with them no matter what, especially businesses. They'll most likely offer reduced-per-copy licenses for corporations to keep Office as the standard.
2. "Forced" upgrades. Remember, every person who is using an older version of Office is keeping an older file format alive. That older file format being out there gives Open Source applications more time to be compatible, thus deluting MS's hold on the "Office" market.
3. "Bragging rights" What? Yes. Just like Vista's supposed sales popularity (because MS forced OEMs to install only Vista after a certain date) has been used to tout Vista as being wildly successful (even though every person I know who has ever used Vista _hates_ it), I strongly suspect that this will also be used to brag about how the new version of "Office" is so "popular" and so much "better", in an attempt to FUD about Open Office and other free applications that can do the essentials.
Because so many companies are convinced that "Office" is the only way to go, I am afraid that this will work.
As a university professor, I've already started insisting that students not use Office 2007's docx format. It's easy enough for me, because I tell them if I can't read it, I can't grade it. Once newer versions of office can't produce backward-compatible formats, I'll insist on PDFs or other open formats. I'm only one professor, but I suspect that I will not be alone in this. Beside, our university actively encourages the use of Open Office. Once I find a version that actually works on OS X (instead of crashes all of the time) I'll encourage the use of Open Office with my students, too.
Now they can prove that the end-user doesn't "own" their software but are licensed, getting around first-sale doctrine and all the rights contained therein. Their lawyers must love it.
OK, run that last line by me one more time...
MS introduce an alternative licensing model for their customers. Presently, customers choose to buy MS Office even at its current cost. Wise customers in certain circumstances may choose to rent it instead, saving themselves money.
Thus, Office, on the whole, is cheaper than it was. And in specific cases is no more expensive.
These people have chosen MSOffice over OpenOffice, and now it costs them less. And you're suggesting that because MSOffice is cheaper, they'll stop using it?
I think it's a pretty sweet idea. Especially if they do reduced rates for students. I won't *want* MS office at home when I finish my course... so why buy the suite for hundreds when I could pay £15 for 3 years...
While most people here are commenting about whether renting is better than buying Office or using OpenOffice, strategically, this has the effect of getting OneCare onto more machines. I'm not commenting whether McAfee or Symantec is better, but isn't MS up to their old tricks by leveraging Office to get more OneCare sales? Unlike Netscape and Internet Explorer, you can't load two security packages onto the same machine without seriously affecting performance. I expect both companies to start complaining about antitrust implications.
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Included in this package is not only Microsoft Office, but also Windows Live OneCare among other services. Let's see how the math breaks down over the next few years:
Traditional Purchase Model
-Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student - $150
-Windows Live OneCare (with one year subscription) - $50
-Next year's OneCare subscription - $50
-Following year's OneCare subscription - $50
-Microsoft Office 2009 Home and Student - $150
Total for three years: $450
Under the new Equipt Model
-Microsoft Equipt (first year) - $70
-Microsoft Equipt (second year) - $70
-Microsoft Equipt (third year, includes upgrade to Office 2009) - $70
Total for three years: $210
Now, this is assuming that the user continues to subscribe to OneCare and eventually would upgrade to Office 2009 - however, assuming they do, the savings are pretty clear. Since this is being offered side-by-side with the traditional purchase model, I think this is a good move by Microsoft. Also, there is no alternative anywhere in the software universe that comes close to OneNote.
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One thing that I think is overlooked is that this is not Office at $70/year, it is Office + AV for $70/year.
Last I looked (which admittedly was 3 or 4 years ago), Norton wanted annual renewals of $40 for their AV suite, and Windows users have it hammered into them that they MUST keep their AV software up to date.
Looked at that way, the incremental cost of having Office is $30/year on top of what they would spend on Anti-virus.
Why its just pennies a day...
...as long as they figure out reasonable, flexible and innovative rental terms that don't end up being way more than buying outright.
I'd love to be able to install $Expensive_Application and then buy blocks of hours that I could use the program. There's no way I can ever pay off the cost of, say, Adobe Design Suite CS3 bought outright, but if $100 would buy me 10 hours of use of the most current version, it'd totally be worth it versus spending $89 on some crippled version or a knockoff that bombs out or doesn't work right.
Subscription services don't tend to get cheaper over time. In fact if lots of people take this up, demand increases and within a handful of years people will be paying the same amount to rent office for a year that they pay now to buy a non-terminating license.
I hate anything as a service. Another regular bill, and another dependency on another company I probably don't like, because my alternative is to go without. Fuck that for a bag of chips.
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So the user already paid for the valuable item, why would he use the free one?
This may seem like a silly argument (the money's already lost so you should just stop suffering with MSO and switch to OOo) but when I was doing PC repair in university, many people didn't want their Norton/McAffee/MSO/Other crapware swapped for better free alternatives because they "already paid for it." I know that doesn't make one lick of sense but that's the Average Joe's thinking. Nowadays Ubuntu is dead reliable and easier to use than Windows (especially Vista), and even though the "AAAAHH scary Linux! Only geeks can use that!" feeling is wearing off, I bet if I tried to switch people to it they'd say something along the same lines, and continue catching (or if I've already fixed up their Windows installation with proper security, intentionally installing) spyware, suffering total operating system breakdowns and clicking allow/deny once every 15 seconds. Because they "already paid for it."
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Clippy disappeared between 97 and 2k7, that alone is worth upgrading for.
I understand the Excel/Word/Powerpoint combo; I see them often. I find it interesting that the other application you need is the one I have NEVER seen in a commercial/business setting, not even as a personal copy. As a consultant, I have access to a variety of clients' systems in the course of my work and as a geek, I discuss software with many people; I've never seen anyone using Onenote. I played with an early trial version and found an okay app. On Windows, it is easily surpassed by Evernote. As previously mentioned, Zoho and Google have on-line notebooks that serve well. Notescribe is another low cost (time-limited) shareware alternative, and there are several freeware programs that I've seen that are similar. Personally, I simply extract the information I need and put it into Palm Desktop, which I've used for twelve years; that way, the info is also available to me when 'out and about'. I don't want to deal with the data in the original format; if I did, I'd keep a copy of the original file! Others have mentioned the Linux apps.
BTW, the pricing you give is WAY out of line from reality for many of us; the license is for "qualified Educational Software and Educational computer/pc games users only". Guess what; Adults need not apply.
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Your universal rules of "knowledge about computers for use at home": need a little bit added to them.
- Buy the cheapest machine that has all the bits you know you need.
Some of very low cost system and or parts are POS with carp parts in them and some of them have little to no room for upgrades.
Also low cost scenes / displays are poor some have VGA only and you don't want that.
- Never pay for any "extras" that you don't see yourself using at least once a week (scanners, faxes, webcams, skype phones, etc.).
Now days most scanners are part of a AIO printer.
- Never pay anything more than the base hardware / OS / software price (no warranties, insurance, support, installation etc. except possibly if it's a very expensive laptop).
- Don't sign up with the bundled ISP's, or the first one you see on television. Ask a friendly local expert what they would recommend. They WILL be able to save you time and money with their recommendation in the long run. (PLEASE: No more AOL!)
Some of the bundled ISP are cable and DSL ISP now days and you see them on television as well And with cable you may only have 1 ISP to pick from.
- In use, never, ever click on any dialog that you don't understand. If it's in your way, learn how to move windows offscreen. Maybe even make a printout and ask your friendly computer expert about it later.
- Never pay for updates, upgrades or "new versions" of anything (you can invariably just carry on with the old versions, updates for free, or replace with a free equivalent), no matter what the software tells you. Let the automated things on it keep it updated for you.
Not 100% true some software stops working / does not 100% when you are still useing the old versions / they stop updating them.
- If it starts to slow down, it is NOT "just because it's old", just get someone to clean it for you and slip them a twenty. The computer will NEVER change its core speed on its own - you have installed stuff that can be removed. Replacing it with a new computer will of COURSE make it seem slower in comparison, but so will a good cleanup.
Not 100% there is os update / app update / driver update bloat and other stuff that makes your system slower over time you system is still at the same speed but the software needs more power then it use to need.
- Give your friendly computer expert first dibs on anything you throw away but don't foist it upon them without asking first. They might not have a need/use for it.
This begs the question... should OO.o investigate putting their software on a DVD in nice packaging, and put it on CC/BB shelves for $5? (Just enough $ to cover the packaging/distribution) Honestly, everyone I know is shocked and pleased to learn that they could have "Office for free!" when I tell them about OO.o. If it were on store shelves, it would really take off.
Actually, with the new Office apps it's not. We're almost entirely WinXP but a few Vista machines have crept in lately - mine is one of them. By default of course Office saves to the new format - but I've only had to tell Excel once, and now every new workbook is created in 'Compatibility Mode', and saved as such when I hit Ctrl-S. It won't even let me go beyond the 65,535 row limit. It's not like in the past when you had to remember to do 'Save As' and pick the right version every time, which really was a pain.
As a matter of fact I really like the new Office. I'm not usually an MS apologist, but here they've done a good job. Redesigning the interface on Word might have made many people scream, but seriously: it's made my mother start using layout properly. It's exactly what all us LaTeX geeks have been complaining about for decades, and it's fixed. That deserves applause.
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