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Irrigation Controller Stolen, Wirelessly Rescues Itself

wooferhound sends along an amusing piece about thieves who got run over by technology and never knew what hit them. "A Rain Master Eagle-i Irrigation Controller recently stolen out of a housing development just outside of Tucson traveled nearly 80 miles before rescuing itself. The smart controller is now back in place on the wall where it was originally pinched... In this day and age, something that may look passive like an irrigation controller may not be so passive. The thieves didn't realize they were removing equipment that features 2-way wireless communications via the Internet. Three weeks later, the unexpected happened. The Maintenance Supervisor noticed a signal coming in from the stolen controller. He thought it was kind of odd that it was up and running... Whoever had stolen it had plugged it back in."

160 comments

  1. huh? by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 0, Troll
    This is an irrigation controller? Something that you plug onto the end of a hose, and it controls the irrigation ?

    Can someone tell me why this is interent enabled? Or what is so magical about it that someone would actually buy one, and secondly, steal one?

    1. Re:huh? by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      Or what is so magical about it that someone would actually buy one, and secondly, steal one?

      It's worth something and can be stolen with practically zero risk of being caught (or at least the crooks thought so).

    2. Re:huh? by tomtomtom777 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can someone tell me why this is interent enabled?

      From TFA: We're able to do the programming and communicate to the controllers through our laptops or Blackberries ...

      Sounds pretty useful in a production environment..

    3. Re:huh? by kidgenius · · Score: 5, Informative

      In a large area (entire housing development) where you have multiple sprinkle and drip systems, it is much easier to remotely administer the irrigation system instead of having to show up on site. So for instance, now that it is summer time here in AZ, you have to water differently than you did during the year. So part of your job as the landscaping crew is to adjust all of the irrigation systems. Now, there could be multiple units in the area that need to be adjusted. Instead of having to drive around to each zone and change the settings, you could call all of them up remotely and make your adjustments.

    4. Re:huh? by g0dsp33d · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From the article...

      "The controller receives weather information on a daily basis and then sends commands to watering mechanisms to reflect the weather change. "

      This is an interesting resource for arid areas that have shrinking water resources.

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    5. Re:huh? by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not at all that simple. There are probably an array of moisture sensors in the field that provide data to the closed loop controller, which in turn controls an array of valves to various irrigation rigs. A PLC or PID controller like this probably costs on the order of $10K and may interface with a product like ExperionPKS or other supervisory DCS platform.

    6. Re:huh? by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not just for those areas. For anywhere. It's a shame that water shortages were needed to force people to design systems that are smart. Here they still have to put up signs to warn people not to water during winter storms! All that ice on the road is apparently dangerous.

      There are lots of things that would benefit from some kind of additional smart control. Personally, I'd like a few more items in my house to be remotely operable, and thus also be able to alert me remotely of changing circumstances. I use Alarm.com and get an x-10 interface there, but I think there is much more that we can do. I'd like to know if the socket in the bathroom is still drawing electricity after I've left for work. That means my wife has left her hair appliance machinery plugged in etc.

      Smart electrical outlets could tell us things like increased current use over time for appliances like your fridge or pc etc. It's amazing what a billion points of tiny data per month can tell you about life. I'd like to see that.

      This topic needs as much thought and discussion as data center power conservation does.

    7. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better yet, stop trying to grow lawns in the desert.

    8. Re:huh? by welsh+git · · Score: 1

      It's only one click to RTFA :-(

      QUOTE:
      We're able to do the programming and communicate to the controllers through our laptops or Blackberries," said Glen Killmer, a branch manager for The Groundskeeper who is in charge of the Continental's acreage. 'This particular controller had stopped communicating."

      A Groundskeeper irrigation technician sent to the site discovered that the piece of equipment, worth several thousand dollars, had disappeared.

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    9. Re:huh? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Because the owners want to maintain a log of how much water is consumed and when? Perhaps this would aid in managing the water budget for the maintenance of gardens? If the grass is turning yellow, increase the irrigation pattern. If the grass gets too long too quickly, reduce the irrigation pattern.

      Adding a wireless communications would be extremely simple to such a system. Just have a dynamo driven by water pressure to charge a battery. And power a mobile phone chip using this battery. Instant internet connectivity.

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    10. Re:huh? by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And things are going to go increasingly in this direction as microcontrollers capable of this sort of thing get cheaper and cheaper, and IPv6 could help too.

      Microcontrollers are only starting to reach the sort of scale that this kind of functionality can be cheaply tacked onto anything, it's the start of true ubiquitous computing.

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    11. Re:huh? by SkyDude · · Score: 1
      I doubt anyone was "forced" to develop this type of device. It became possible due to the ever shrinking cost of the technology required for these devices. I don't know what the system is built on, but I'd be willing to bet the processor is probably no more powerful than an old Pentium. That's technology that has filtered down to a much more accessible level to low cost devices.

      I do agree with your assertion that the topic needs more discussion. I'd personally like to operate many functions of my house remotely, but the X10 interface doesn't thrill me. I've used them for years for lighting projects (holiday lights, etc) and have seen too many fail to be trusted with real responsibility. It would seem to be a simple technology to build, I just don't know why there isn't more competitors to X10.

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    12. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone tell me why this is interent enabled?

      To catch thieves, silly.

    13. Re:huh? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually there is a very good competition. X10 was just first out of the gate. Try http://www.zigbee.org/en/index.asp

      Apparently, I have more time to type a response? No, they were not forced, and the processor probably is an ARM processor or similar. This particular manufacturer makes some cool toys, I have one of their systems installed. Zigbee is definitely better than X10, and you should see it in more appliances soon.

      Imagine your next new house, where the light switches are electronic remotes for the actual switch in the light fixture. Now imagine you can move it anywhere, stick it to the wall where ever you want. Perhaps you want that single switch by the front door to ensure that ALL lights are turned off when you leave for the day? Zigbee or others will help make that a reality.

      I can see a day not long from now when you can get online and see your home in 3D (not unlike secondlife et al) and see all the things that work remotely. Lights that are on etc.

      A billion little data points a month is peanuts, but can give us so much data. Think of water flow sensors on each shower/toilet/sink etc. Once the sensor devices drop below 19.99/ea you can put them anywhere/everywhere. The electric company and water/gas companies are not the only people that want to know how much I use. I also want to know where/why.

    14. Re:huh? by ZeroFactorial · · Score: 1

      What might have been MORE useful is to have an automatic password lock enabled whenever the equipment is disconnected to be relocated.
      The equipment would then be completely non-functional until unlocked.

      Sure, it adds a little overhead when you move things around, but it would make the equipment useless to thieves.

    15. Re:huh? by poisoneleven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why don't grow lawns in the desert? They provide a vital function of producing oxygen, cleaning the air, lowering the heat island effect and are often areas used to recharge underground aquifers. Having a lawn in the desert is good for everyone.

    16. Re:huh? by The+Anarchist+Avenge · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I modded you redundant instead of insightful.

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    17. Re:huh? by sapone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously, the thief who didn't know about the hardware phoning home also wouldn't have known about the theft protection and taken it anyway.

    18. Re:huh? by umghhh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Implanting the growing green stuff where it was not before could be beneficial for everyone indeed. The only problem is that the type of green that maybe beneficial in such places is not good on the golf field for instance.

      While I am here - anybody else think TFA looks like commercial? I wonder also what internet has to do with the mobile network positioning systems that actually detected the 'stolen' item. Only I wonder how 'stolen' it really was as it moved back miraculously after a while.

      TFA offers also insights into how police should not work I suppose - OTOH they achieved the goal of getting the stuff back without involving expensive judiciary etc so maybe it made sense to do it that way?

    19. Re:huh? by Ranger · · Score: 1

      This is an interesting resource for arid areas that have shrinking water resources.

      Ironic they should be using it in Arizona, isn't it?

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    20. Re:huh? by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      It would be kinda cool to have amperage measurements from every single Circuit Breaker in the box, and logged over time too

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    21. Re:huh? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that water shortages were needed to force people to design systems that are smart - why is it a shame? It would be a shame to waste resources for setting up smart systems where they don't need to be. Here a problem is identified and systems are upgraded. It would only be a shame if nobody cared after the problem was identified.

    22. Re:huh? by HoldenCaulfield · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like these controllers are even smarter than that. Sounds like it can download weather reports, be hooked to remote sensors, etc, and run in open and closed control loops with this data.

      Now, I'm not sure how smart all these adaptive features are, but ideally, this would mean the remote management would be more for monitoring, than managing . . . sounds pretty slick, especially for large installations (think city's with lots of parks).

    23. Re:huh? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Sounds pretty useful in a production environment..

      Production? PRODUCTION???? Of what, grass?

      LK

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    24. Re:huh? by NickDngr · · Score: 1

      From the article...

      "The controller receives weather information on a daily basis and then sends commands to watering mechanisms to reflect the weather change. "

      This is an interesting resource for arid areas that have shrinking water resources.

      They are actually required for multi-unit housing developments and commercial properties in California. All such properties must have them by 2010.

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    25. Re:huh? by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Of course of grass.

      Have you seen lately how much people are paying for little plastic bags full of the stuff?

    26. Re:huh? by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1
      Corn? Wheat?

      Not everything is made in a factory.

    27. Re:huh? by ashitaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look, if you live in an area where there is shrinking water resources and generally arid conditions there is one simple solution:

      Move to Vancouver.

      We have lots of water falling from the sky, all the time.

      If you get nostalgic for the desert just drive 4 hours to Kamloops and you'll be back amongst the sagebrush.

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    28. Re:huh? by GarethRWhite · · Score: 1

      "Smart electrical outlets could tell us things like increased current use over time for appliances like your fridge or pc etc."

      My research lab has done some preliminary work in that area,

      http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/research/groups/interact/kuckuck.htm

      I don't think it's ongoing, though I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this idea.

    29. Re:huh? by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Yep.

      Some of the production is apparently quite high-tech. People build dedicated greenhouse installations under ground (to avoid detection via IR cameras). Water, hydroponics, etc is all automated.

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    30. Re:huh? by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      Well, what they probably needed was a Threepio unit who understood the binary language of the controller.

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    31. Re:huh? by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Uh huh. Let's have everything in your house connected to the internet and under your control.

      Two words: SKYNET.

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    32. Re:huh? by hugecabbage · · Score: 1

      ...what is so magical about it that someone would actually buy one, and secondly, steal one?

      If you'd read TFA, you'd know that it's a very sophisticated piece of equipment worth thousands of dollars. Agriculture is big business, especially in California. I mean, people are stealing beehives, fer chrissakes. The ability to communicate two-way with equipment that is controlling LOTS of precious irrigation water, without having to send a person into a remote area to change its settings, is a big savings in terms of travel (fuel and time) and man hours.

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    33. Re:huh? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that water shortages were needed to force people to design systems that are smart. Here they still have to put up signs to warn people not to water during winter storms! All that ice on the road is apparently dangerous.

      Most not-total-crap sprinkler timers have some kind of input for a "don't water" sensor. Usually you put in a rain/freeze sensor that won't water in either condition. I have a sixteen zone controller that has one (I use all of one zone so far, whee! but I got it free at a yard sale because the door clasp was missing.)

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    34. Re:huh? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Plus they would just go steal more until they get one that works.

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    35. Re:huh? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Imagine your next new house, where the light switches are electronic remotes for the actual switch in the light fixture. Now imagine you can move it anywhere, stick it to the wall where ever you want.

      So we can also lose the light switch in the couch along with the tv remote!

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    36. Re:huh? by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      All this talk about preserving and protecting the Earth's environment and we still insist on encroaching on the desert. Won't this eventually have a biological and meteorological effect on the planet as well?

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    37. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there is a very good competition. X10 was just first out of the gate. Try http://www.zigbee.org/en/index.asp

      Sure hope their signal is encrypted these days. I remember years ago, hearing that all a would-be burglar had to do was eavesdrop on the security camera and get their own complete view of your house because the signal wasn't encrypted. X-10 was the brand mentioned. I would have thought they would be the laughing stock of the industry and go out of business, but apparently they're still selling their cheap crap security cameras, huh? Even better, people are recommending them on /.

      Funny stuff.

    38. Re:huh? by Serpentegena · · Score: 1

      Duud. You can start and stop your sprinklers remotely. Thanks a lot; now I'm gonna be modded -1 Stating teh Obvious:)

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    39. Re:huh? by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      I used to work for another company that made similar products. There are all kinds of useful things you can do with these things.

      Actually, I think the simplest use I saw was for simple metering. We sold a ton of them to the city of Abu Dhabi for that purpose. They didn't have to hire meter readers because the meters reported usage on their own. It would have been pretty simple for them to implement access control as well, but I don't know if they did.

      The more interesting uses involved hooking up various sensors to the device. For example, you could use it to maintain a certain level of soil moisture, or automatically respond to frost conditions.

      Anyway, I don't know about the company in TFA, but we used cellular sideband for wireless data. We had a variety of other comm options as well, like RS232/485 and IR, but probably none of those would would have been useful in this case.

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  2. Electronic Timer by belthize · · Score: 4, Funny

        Phoned home.

    Belthize

  3. They just triangulated the signal by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    The controller didn't "rescue itself", it did not provide its GPS coordinates, or address. They just found its wireless signal using the cell towers. Duh.

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    1. Re:They just triangulated the signal by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, the wireless telco in this case is the one who did the rescue'ng. This was a very misleading headline, summary AND article. The perfect /. trifecta.

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    2. Re:They just triangulated the signal by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sort of. If it wasn't for the controller automatically initiating a call, the cell tower or whoever wouldn't have been able to do anything.

      You might chalk this up in the same sense that a passing motorist who witnesses an accident and phones for help saving the occupants of the car because of the efficient arrival of rescuers. Sure the person who phones in didn't do anything to stop the bleeding or keep the drivers heart beating but getting people who could do that there fast enough could have played a significant role in their survival. In this sense, there would be no cell tower, IP address or even communications to the former owner/monitor to suggest that it could be found.

      I agree that the summery and article is a little misleading and over blown but it isn't flat out misleading or outragous.

    3. Re:They just triangulated the signal by synth7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Evidently you guys didn't read the entire article, because the thieves returned the unit after three weeks due to the police attention. So the ISP triangulated the unit, the police scouted the location, the farm owner got wind of the heat and hid the evidence, the the farmer got rid of the hot equipment by returning it to the location they stole it from.

      The most interesting thing is that it sounds like the farmer hooked it back up to the water and electrical systems when they put it back. Talk about a conscientous thief.

      So yes, the device in essence rescued itself becase it screamed for help and brought so much attention to its location that the thief returned the device.

  4. another 3 weeks later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The owner also found a post-it from his brother stating "Hey, you don't mind if I borrow your sprinkler for a couple of weeks?"

  5. Product placement? by jamesh · · Score: 0, Troll

    Product placement on Slashdot? Who'd have thunked it?

  6. Easy by maz2331 · · Score: 1

    Irrigation may require placing a lot of these in the field, and sending someone around to check and see if they are functioning properly is pretty expensive. Plus, it makes reprogramming the water flow much easier when it can be centralized. Couple that with some moisture sensors and the resulting data can allow for the optimal planning of irrigation patterns to maximize yield and minimize wasted water.

    Using the net makes sense too. It is a lot less costly than pulling wires to all of these devices or setting up a massive Frame Relay WAN.

    Guess the thieves never realized that they should reprogram the thing before putting it back in use.

  7. Sometimes, kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it pays to RTFA.
    /* continues to rock chair

    This isn't "something to plug onto the end of a hose". It's Tucson, desert country, and that fancy name-ama-jig costs like a thousand or more, that could land the thieves in jail for Grand Theft, the first two words of that game you're playing now. Know what that means, doncha?

  8. Product Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who are wondering WTF this thing is, here's the product page.

    "The RME Eagle combines evapotranspiration (ET) technology with its already intelligent design providing a variety of ET-based scheduling features that will reduce water usage, save time and money, and optimize the efficiency of water resource allocation for any irrigation application. Additionally, an optional communication card provides central control capabilities via The Internet!

    "The "RME Eagle" can measure flow and take corrective action for station breaks, main line failures, or unscheduled flow. It supports either normally open or normally closed master valve operation, pump operations independent of the master valve, cycle and soak or conventional programming, and a flow totalizer to monitor total water used. The "Eagle" watches your prestigious landscapes 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, providing insurance and protection from catastrophic field related failures."

    All it doesn't do is yell at the kids to get off your lawn.

    1. Re:Product Info by johnny+cashed · · Score: 0, Redundant

      ET phones home?

    2. Re:Product Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of you wondering where the ranch where it ended up, it's most likely here:

      "Davenport Ranch" lat=32.1808116155, lon=-109.953060604

      See the original article for more information.

  9. Will be expected soon by alohatiger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any electronic device that cost several thousand dollars will be expected to be wireless and have GPS. You'll be able to login and check to see that your air conditioner, refrigerator and water heater are still at your house.

    Instead of being caught with incriminating lock picks and bolt cutters, crooks will have their anti-GPS and anti-wireless equipment trip them up.

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    1. Re:Will be expected soon by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Any electronic device that cost several thousand dollars will be expected to be wireless and have GPS.

      And for devices under several thousand dollars, i'll make a fortune selling fake antennas and stickers that say "this device is protected by gps and will alert the authorities if it is moved", and "smile for the camera" :)

    2. Re:Will be expected soon by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Any electronic device that cost several thousand dollars will be expected to be wireless and have GPS.

      And for devices under several thousand dollars, i'll make a fortune selling fake antennas and stickers that say "this device is protected by gps and will alert the authorities if it is moved", and "smile for the camera" :)

      Actually, that's not a great idea. At least down here (and if this flies in Texas I'm sure it flies everywhere in the US), you can be held seriously liable for claiming that you have surveillance video when you don't, if a crime occurs on your property. It may sound odd, but it actually makes sense, since businesses were basically creating a false sense of security for their customers.

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    3. Re:Will be expected soon by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Add a motion detector so that as soon as it detects that it is being moved it calls it in. Catch thieves red handed.

    4. Re:Will be expected soon by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

      It's funny, but these things ARE computers.
      Just look at it: http://www.rainmaster.com/eagle_description.htm
      Anything that looks like that ought to have internet, GPS, and a tractor beam.

      Secondly, TFA is a PRESS RELEASE from Business Wire.

      The only real news here seems to be the bumbling apathy of the Cochise County police department.
      It might have been a funny story, but they never caught the thieves.

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    5. Re:Will be expected soon by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      you can be held seriously liable for claiming that you have surveillance video when you don't

      Ah. You need one of my other stickers then... try one of the following:

      "These labels were not placed here by the owner of this equipment"

      "By reading this label, you agree not to bring any action against the owner of this equipment for any claims, false or otherwise, made by this or any other label on this equipment."

      "This label and any others attached to this equipment is void in Texas and any other state with stupid laws."

      "this device is not protected by gps and will not alert the authorities if it is moved"

      "smile for the fake camera"

    6. Re:Will be expected soon by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      That's the stupidist thing I ever heard to sue someone over. It can't possibly be illegal to put up fake cameras - they do this all over the world.

      In London where they have a number of cameras monitoring the streets, many of the cameras are fake and look exactly like the real cameras. It's simply not financially possible to have real cameras everywhere, but the appearance of cameras keeps the idiots in line.

      Only in Texas could you possibly be held liable when some other person is the one committing a crime. Geez.

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    7. Re:Will be expected soon by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      At least down here (and if this flies in Texas I'm sure it flies everywhere in the US), you can be held seriously liable for claiming that you have surveillance video when you don't, if a crime occurs on your property. It may sound odd, but it actually makes sense, since businesses were basically creating a false sense of security for their customers.

      I've had a long think about this, and it still makes absolutely no sense to me at all. If I was in a bank that got robbed, and one of the robbers shot me, why is that the bank's fault just becuase their video wasn't working?

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    8. Re:Will be expected soon by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's the stupidist thing I ever heard to sue someone over. It can't possibly be illegal to put up fake cameras - they do this all over the world...Only in Texas could you possibly be held liable when some other person is the one committing a crime. Geez.

      I think you're missing the point; first of all, civilly liable is not the same thing as criminally liable, so it's not "illegal." And you're only going to be civilly liable in circumstances where there's some sort of duty existing between the person who put up the fake cameras and the one who's injured. If I own an apartment building in a high-crime area, and tell you those cameras are real and monitored, and then you, a tenant, get mugged in front of them, you might be able to sue me. If I have a camera out on the street and you, a pedestrian I don't know, gets mugged in front of one, you're not going to be able to sue successfully.

    9. Re:Will be expected soon by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the idea is sort of like the laws against false advertising. If I'm in trouble and run to where I've 'seen' a camera, so actions against me can be witnessed, I'd be pissed if it turned out to be fake and there's no video evidence of my being assaulted.

      But, approach it from a different angle - the very appearance of security cameras deters crime, maybe. On the other hand, odds are fake cameras will eventually be found out, then the public will be operating on a false sense of security. Not good.

      Oh, and going by crime statistics, the cameras in London don't do much good - you're worse off than NYC! I've read that cameras, at most, shifted crimes. Many times the perp would commit the crime right in front of the camera counting on the fact that a random cop or victim looking at the camera isn't going to be able to identify him - there's just too many faces. Thus the push for face recognition software. Then that gives you hurdle 2- you now know who perp Y is, but now you need to find out where he's living this week and actually send an officer around to arrest him. Police departments everywhere seem to fall down a lot on the second one. As studies have shown, actually following through(even if you 'don't have enough resources') tends to disproportionately reduce crime - after all, that purse snatcher, burgler, or mugger is very likely have committed crimes in the past, and commit more in the future if he's not caught and subjected to an effective correction*.

      *Chosen over punishment. I don't care as much about the retribution portion as the 'make sure they aren't going to do it again'.

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    10. Re:Will be expected soon by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how the tenant could successfully sue the apartment building owner. What grounds? Sure he created a false sense of security *maybe* but he certainly didn't create an unsafe condition. It's no more unsafe than if the fake camera was not there.

      If a corner store gets robbed do the customers sue the owner if there was no tape in the machine to record the crime? No. Next you'll have cops suing victims for wasting their time because they shouldn't be living in the high crime area in the first place...

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    11. Re:Will be expected soon by Ostrich25 · · Score: 1

      I sort of thought thats what cameras did - created a false sense of security. They don't PREVENT crime. They don't PROTECT you. All they do is help catch the guy later, after the harm has already occurred.

    12. Re:Will be expected soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in Texas could you possibly be held liable when some other person is the one committing a crime. Geez.

      it sure explains most of what bush has been doin' ...

    13. Re:Will be expected soon by punissuer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how the tenant could successfully sue the apartment building owner. What grounds?

      False advertising. The tenant may have chosen to rent from that landlord based partly on the assurance that the cameras provided some security, but the landlord bought fake cameras to save money. The landlord failed to provide a service for which the tenant paid every month.

    14. Re:Will be expected soon by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is sort of like the laws against false advertising. If I'm in trouble and run to where I've 'seen' a camera, so actions against me can be witnessed, I'd be pissed if it turned out to be fake and there's no video evidence of my being assaulted.

      Not disputing that you would be dissapointed or upset, but that's not grounds for suing someone.

      If you were mugged by a guy with a fake gun, do you sue him for giving you a false sense of peril?

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    15. Re:Will be expected soon by pnewhook · · Score: 0

      False advertising. The tenant may have chosen to rent from that landlord based partly on the assurance that the cameras provided some security, but the landlord bought fake cameras to save money. The landlord failed to provide a service for which the tenant paid every month.

      Nonsense. That's like suing the car manufacturer for stating that the car speedometer goes to 220, but you get a speeding ticket at 120. Isn't that also false advertising because you will never realistically achieve the speed the car says it will go?

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    16. Re:Will be expected soon by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

      fail to see how the tenant could successfully sue the apartment building owner. What grounds? Sure he created a false sense of security *maybe* but he certainly didn't create an unsafe condition. It's no more unsafe than if the fake camera was not there.

      Well the difference if the fake camera was not there is that the tenant would not have relied on it in that case. Anyway to show negligence you have to show a duty existed, the defendant breached that duty, the breach was a proximate (which doesn't mean only) cause of the injury, and the injury caused damage to the plaintiff. The law mandates that landlords take a reasonable effort to ensure the safety of their residents. In a high crime area, a fake camera might not be considered "reasonable," especially if a similar crime happened before and the fake camera didn't do anything to prevent it.

      You can't just open up a building, advertise for tenants, and then assume your sole job is to collect the rent.

    17. Re:Will be expected soon by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      And for devices under several thousand dollars, i'll make a fortune selling fake antennas and stickers that say "this device is protected by gps and will alert the authorities if it is moved", and "smile for the camera" :)

      No, no. The right approach is that mastered by numerous PC manufacturers: add a slot for the GPS, but don't include it, and then mark it as GPS ready. The poor sod who buys it, is then left to discover that the marketing department does not have the same definition of 'ready'. Because of the grey zone, the buyer is then left to buy the extra GPS component at the price the manufacturer charges. Ah, such is life ;)

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    18. Re:Will be expected soon by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Maybe not, but the criminal law treats it as armed robbery, even if the gun is a fake. This actually happened to me. I was robbed by a group of thieves armed with a gun designed to only fire blanks. They ended up facing the same charges as if they had used a real gun.

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    19. Re:Will be expected soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "crooks will have their anti-GPS and anti-wireless equipment trip them up."

      Hammer?

    20. Re:Will be expected soon by merc · · Score: 1

      Seriously, what the HELL is wrong with Texas and all the stupid laws. The legislature there must have their head firmly injected into their rectal cavities.

      I thought the recent Texas law enacted that requires PC repair shops to have PI licenses was the stupidest law I'd heard in a long time but this is about just as stupid (albeit not quite as impacting).

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    21. Re:Will be expected soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can race our car on a track any time you want.

    22. Re:Will be expected soon by pgillan · · Score: 1

      I sort of thought thats what cameras did - created a false sense of security. They don't PREVENT crime. They don't PROTECT you. All they do is help catch the guy later, after the harm has already occurred.

      The idea is that the very presence of the camera helps to prevent the crime in the first place. Most people will think twice about committing a crime if they know they're going to be caught on tape. This is where the idea of putting up a fake camera comes from.

      It seems reasonable to sue a store if you got mugged in front of a fake camera, but only if it could be proven that the store was somehow negligent in keeping the fact that the camera was fake a secret from the criminal. I can't think of a way that scenario could possibly happen, but I am not a lawyer.

    23. Re:Will be expected soon by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      False advertising. The tenant may have chosen to rent from that landlord based partly on the assurance that the cameras provided some security, but the landlord bought fake cameras to save money. The landlord failed to provide a service for which the tenant paid every month.

      Since when are landlords responsible for security systems?

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    24. Re:Will be expected soon by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      If you were mugged by a guy with a fake gun, do you sue him for giving you a false sense of peril?

      legally speaking, there's no difference in the charges between robbing a bank with a fake gun rather than a real one.

      So I imagine that I could.

      That's why, in order to protect the effectiveness of security cameras, you want as many of them real/operational as possible.

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    25. Re:Will be expected soon by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I see this with customers pabx systems all the time. They are sold as 'VoIP Ready' so the customer thinks all they have to do is attach a few handsets to their network, but 'VoIP Ready' means that the PABX will accept a VoIP card, which will cost a whole heap of $$$, and the salesman does nothing to enlighten them before the sale.

    26. Re:Will be expected soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't just open up a building, advertise for tenants, and then assume your sole job is to collect the rent.

      Hush, you'll spoil the daydreams of the optimistic money grabbers out there who's sole interest is in rolling around in the green stuff daily

    27. Re:Will be expected soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hello? Is your refrigerator running? Well, go catch it!"

  10. I like the thought of this by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thieves will now have to block the antennae of their purloined plunder. But how's this for an idea: geo-locking hardware like this? "Here's your GPS coordinates. Stray outside of this area, you stop working." Thieves will soon learn that taking something like this will brick it.

    I also like the idea of equipping cars with wireless stuff like this. The owner reports it missing, the car starts reporting its location to the cops and they can nab the perps.

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    1. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Satnavs already do this. Turn the device on, enter the PIN. If you don't know the PIN, you can't use the device. If you forget the PIN, you can reset it, but only at the device's home location.

    2. Re:I like the thought of this by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      I also like the idea of equipping cars with wireless stuff like this. The owner reports it missing, the car starts reporting its location to the cops and they can nab the perps.

      They already do. Most traffic police cars in the UK now have a device that can home in on a stolen vehicle that's transmitting it's location, allowing them to track it down again.

    3. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHHHHHH!!!

      The **AA might be reading. Don't give them ideas.

    4. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have something like that in the US as well, it's called LoJack.

    5. Re:I like the thought of this by u38cg · · Score: 1
      OnStar? This chain of thought is all very well, but what about when the cops decide to track your movements - just because they can? Or what about the bad guys learn how to work it, then use it to track down expensive vehicles in places where they can carjack with impunity?

      This sort of risk should be mitigated with insurance, not technology. The insurance industry is well placed to figure out what kind of technology actually works and which doesn't.

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    6. Re:I like the thought of this by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Here's your GPS coordinates. Stray outside of this area, you stop working."

      Shopping carts at some of the supermarkets around here work kinda like that. They have some kind of invisible fence thing around the perimeter of the parking lot, and if you cross it with one of the store's shopping carts, the wheels lock up.

      Like a previous reply to you mentioned, some GPS units do this... unless they are powered on in the 'home location' they require a PIN.

      I also like the idea of equipping cars with wireless stuff like this. The owner reports it missing, the car starts reporting its location to the cops and they can nab the perps.

      LoJack works like that, and I assume OnStar offers the feature as well. From what I hear, cops love LoJack because many times retrieving one stolen LoJacked car has led them to a chop shop with many stolen cars.

      ~Philly

    7. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OnStar? This chain of thought is all very well, but what about when the cops decide to track your movements

      I'd call them and ask them if they knew any good seafood restaurants in the area.

    8. Re:I like the thought of this by olyar · · Score: 1

      OnStar? This chain of thought is all very well, but what about when the cops decide to track your movements - just because they can? Or what about the bad guys learn how to work it

      And what if they decide to start using their guns to shoot people - just because they can? Or what if the bad guys get guns?

      This sort of risk should be mitigated with insurance, not technology.

      The same goes for this case. People just need to get better life insurance policies.

      BTW, I am aware that this argument is a prime example of several logical fallacies. I'm honestly not trying to argue with your point - the parallel just struck me as funny.

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    9. Re:I like the thought of this by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      "Here's your GPS coordinates. Stray outside of this area, you stop working."

      Deep within the bowels of the European Union, the century-long plan to destroy American Air-Conditioning is abandoned as the conspirators realize that the U.S. will destroy their own A.C. units in large numbers as GPS hiccups.

    10. Re:I like the thought of this by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Shopping carts at some of the supermarkets around here work kinda like that. They have some kind of invisible fence thing around the perimeter of the parking lot, and if you cross it with one of the store's shopping carts, the wheels lock up.

      Big deal. Where I shop one of the cart's wheels is always locked up.

    11. Re:I like the thought of this by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...cross it with one of the store's shopping carts, the wheels lock up.

      Nothing to worry aboot.
      Bubbles will just get Julian and Ricky to shoot the wheels out of that dirty cocksucker.

    12. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Here in South Africa satellite tracking of cars is a huge business. There are four or more huge companies that place a hidden tracker device in your car.

      They also have armed response teams, up to and including helicopters that will follow stolen or hijacked cars (a big problem down here), and recover them for you.

      Unfortunately in most cases the police will not be able to recover a stolen car, because there are just so many of them.

      See this article:

      A quote from it:
      "Over the years we've recovered vehicles from a number of weird places... parked in holes underground, next to large electrical generators, wrapped in tin foil, painted in tribal muti and even one case last year where the vehicle was being stripped in the back of a moving truck.

      "However, a fake living room with a wall on a hinge, is a first for us," Crocker said."

      Muti is like shaman medicine: you kow, monkey testicles and the like.

    13. Re:I like the thought of this by penfold69 · · Score: 1

      Apologies for the apparent swerve in topic - I assure you it is kinda relevant.

      In the UK we have the 'National Lottery'. Terminals have been installed all over the UK in practically every corner shop and supermarket.

      When they were first deployed, instead of all using telephone lines to 'phone home' certain areas were supplied via satellite. There would be one major relay station in the area, and terminals in the immediate locality of the relay station would be connected via microwave.

      In my locality, the contractors had installed a relay station on the roof of a local supermarket, but were apparently having major problems getting the satellite link working. By all accounts the datastream was working, but they couldn't get any authenticated communications going across the link.

      The cause was eventually traced down to the fact that the contractors had installed the relay station approximately 10 metres away from it's planned location. It had an in-built GPS which basically detected the location of the relay, and the receiving end basically refused the connection on security grounds.

      I hasten to add that the relay station was installed not long after the inception of the National Lottery in the UK - which was in 1994.

      P.

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    14. Re:I like the thought of this by Rudolf · · Score: 1

      I also like the idea of equipping cars with wireless stuff like this. The owner reports it missing, the car starts reporting its location to the cops and they can nab the perps.

      It's already done:
      http://www.lojack.com/

    15. Re:I like the thought of this by danomac · · Score: 1

      As for cars, GM's OnStar already does this. I can't remember if it can disable the car, but I do know it can track it if it is stolen.

    16. Re:I like the thought of this by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      I can see the new product registration feature already:
      "Upon opening the package for this toaster, you have agreed to abide by the license agreement included herein. To activate this toaster, please plug it in and then enter its serial number on our online form. The GPS locator will enable the toaster to work within a 1 block radius of its location at the time of registration. To use the toaster elsewhere, its license must be transfered and re-activated."

    17. Re:I like the thought of this by ormondotvos · · Score: 1

      It's called LoJack.

    18. Re:I like the thought of this by jamesh · · Score: 1

      but what about when the cops decide to track your movements - just because they can

      You don't work for the recording industry do you? They use the same sort of argument all the time. Just because something can be used for illicit purposes (be it tracking devices in cars or p2p filesharing software on your computer) doesn't mean that that's all it will be used for, and doesn't mean that it should be made illegal.

      If the cops or the bad guys want to track your movements they'll covertly stick their own tracking device on your car anyway. Having your own tracking device already might make it easier for them but it wouldn't suddenly allow them to do something they couldn't do anyway.

    19. Re:I like the thought of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      geo-locking sounds like a good idea (protection without privacy invasion), but it creates a new risk for legitimate owners. Someone with a GPS spoofing device that doesn't just jam satellites but simulates different location (such devices do exist) could shut down all fridges in a circle of 300 meters ;)

  11. Somebody just stole water chip ? by BattleCat · · Score: 1

    Hm, I thought Fallout was meant to be postnuke RPG, not postindustrial .

  12. I would have gotten even first by IronWilliamCash · · Score: 5, Funny

    If he could control the thing remotely, I would have sent a signal to flood the crops during the night, that way the next morning the theives would have had a nasty little suprise :) Then you go in and get it back.

    1. Re:I would have gotten even first by 0xygen · · Score: 1

      Yes, however that would be just like sending e-mail back to the return addresses on spam.

      Chances of the owner being involved with the theft? Slim to none.

      In fact, if you RTFA, this is actually pointed out.

    2. Re:I would have gotten even first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crops? You assume that the thieves were Mexicans trying to get out of work? Racist!

    3. Re:I would have gotten even first by IronWilliamCash · · Score: 1

      Still worth it, your just as guilty for buying stolen property as you would be for stealing it. Unlike spoofed email adresses, the actual person who has the equipment is in the end is responsible for it.

    4. Re:I would have gotten even first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes flood the crops ....... with Brawndo ....... cause it's got electrolytes and that's what plants need!!

    5. Re:I would have gotten even first by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if you RTFA, when the cops questions the owner who *claimed* to know nothing about it, the device suddenly dissapeared from that house. Obviously she contacted who she bought it from and they removed it.

      Unless you are really stupid, most people who buy highly discounted expensive stuff should at least suspect it is stolen. Like who really thinks that guys selling speakers out of a van are a legitimate business?

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    6. Re:I would have gotten even first by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Buying stolen goods is often an illegal act regardless of the level of ignorance in the buyer.

      "Gee, I just bought this great stereo for half price from that nice man in the white van." Most buyers know that what they are buying is hot.

    7. Re:I would have gotten even first by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 0

      Typically the speakers aren't stolen... just fake or low quality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speakers

  13. Nice Ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Nice to see that there is a shameless plug for the product in there that has nothing to do with the actual incident.

    Crap like this makes me wonder if the story is really just candy coated viral marketing:

    "Why are Smart Controllers so smart?" - The Eagle-i combines an intelligent design with evapotranspiration (ET) technology, providing a variety of ET-based scheduling features that optimize the efficiency of water resource allocation for any irrigation application

  14. never ceases to amaze me by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how they will visually identify the stolen property, call it in, and then leave and expect it to just stay there until they get back with more badges.

    I've read about this scenario repeatedly, though this is the first time I've heard of it being voluntarily returned later. Being that stupid about it they didn't deserve to get it back.

    Putting on the "wild speculation" hat, I'd say that since they were obviously tipped off, that it was likely whoever was sent out to identify the item was told to leave by his commanding officer, who then tipped them off "we're coming back in 30 minutes and it better not be there when we return". Gotta love how things like that work in rural towns. Any competent law enforcement would have left the stolen property under observation until the badges showed up.

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    1. Re:never ceases to amaze me by gfilion · · Score: 1

      how they will visually identify the stolen property, call it in, and then leave and expect it to just stay there until they get back with more badges.

      I guess that they actually waited to get a warrant for entering the property. The only evidence that they had was that some dude said that the controller was his, that's not enough to make probable cause, IMO.

    2. Re:never ceases to amaze me by rjstanford · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any competent law enforcement would have left the stolen property under observation until the badges showed up.

      This sounded like a rural county law enforcement division. These guys often have very limited resources - sometimes only a few officers for an entire county. Tying one person down to keep an eye on a few thousand dollars of stolen merchandise seems like a pretty poor decision, IMO.

      For that matter, its entirely possible that someone noticed the cop getting close and panicked. Or, as you say, was tipped off. No way of knowing. But having the cop hang around for hours would have been a pretty poor use of his time.

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    3. Re:never ceases to amaze me by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Gotta love how things like that work in rural towns.

      Would you expect it to be any other way? Being a cop in a rural community must be a really tricky job - having to book the same people that you'll probably be sharing a pub with at the end of the day.

    4. Re:never ceases to amaze me by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I dunno, they probably get ostracized anyway, what with their cranberry juice predilections and all.

    5. Re:never ceases to amaze me by timholman · · Score: 1

      Putting on the "wild speculation" hat, I'd say that since they were obviously tipped off, that it was likely whoever was sent out to identify the item was told to leave by his commanding officer, who then tipped them off "we're coming back in 30 minutes and it better not be there when we return". Gotta love how things like that work in rural towns. Any competent law enforcement would have left the stolen property under observation until the badges showed up.

      It is infinitely more likely that the controller was stolen and later returned by one of the groundskeeper's own employees, or one of the people he works with. This sort of thing happens all the time in construction and landscaping companies. The same guys you hire to install the stuff come back late at night and steal it. They know what it's worth, they know how to find a buyer, and they know how to install it at the new location.

      When the groundskeeper found out that the controller had been located, he probably mentioned it to other people, including the thief, who wasted no time putting the controller back where it belonged.

    6. Re:never ceases to amaze me by v1 · · Score: 1

      That it was returned, and not simply disposed of, indicates the thieves felt they were as good as caught. Otherwise why risk returning it which would seal the case. Voluntarily returning something you've stolen is an act of desperation.

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    7. Re:never ceases to amaze me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they were tipped off, The article says flat out that the original owner put the device into rain shut off when it called home. That means he shut it down. That would tip off most people.

  15. Someone knew they were coming by RichMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What concerns me is that someone knew the police were coming for the unit. This was almost a petty theft case, sure significant to some but not really a major crime issue.

    What if it were a more serious case? The police here should be really concerned about their information leaks and integrity of their investigation system.

    1. Re:Someone knew they were coming by iksbob · · Score: 1

      The leak may not have been on the police side of things. Killmer may have commented to the perp (somebody on his landscape management crew) that he had located the stolen controller. The perp had an "Oh sh!t" moment, then called over to the ranch where it had been hooked up and let them know to keep an eye out.

    2. Re:Someone knew they were coming by dfm3 · · Score: 1

      This was almost a petty theft case, sure significant to some but not really a major crime issue.

      What if it were a more serious case?

      Actually, according to TFA the unit was valuable enough that this case was considered to be grand theft. IIRC, in the US theft of an item over $500 is usually considered a felony.

  16. Yeah, but (In all Seriousness) by Moe1975 · · Score: 2

    does it run Linux?

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  17. Where's Scooby Doo? by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was totally let-down by the end of the story. This was a perfect example of amateur sleuthing, which should have resulted in a thief being apprehended at the bottom of the hour, only to mutter "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you pesky kids and your ubiquitous ad-hoc wireless networking."

    1. Re:Where's Scooby Doo? by catmistake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can expect this kind of quality detective work from any police department. This is why Justice wields a sword and not a scalpel.

    2. Re:Where's Scooby Doo? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This is why Justice wields a sword and not a scalpel.

      Wow, just where do you live?

      Our officers of the peace went to firearms ages ago. A scalpel?

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    3. Re:Where's Scooby Doo? by quarterbuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My money is that the story is a fake.
      It reads like a fluff piece and mentions the company by name too many times. Even better, since the story does not talk about any arrests, the alleged crime is untraceable. No one can go around and ask questions if no police records exist.
      My guess would be that someone decided to disconnect a controller for a few days, filed a missing report , then connected it back and then went out and wrote this story up about it.

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  18. They can just remove the battery or hit the reset by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They can just remove the battery or hit the reset switch to remove the Wireless reporting.

  19. PR fluff piece by an evil company by speedtux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stolen equipment gets recovered via cell phone signals all them time. The whole thing sounds like a PR fluff piece.

    The real tidbit of interest here is this:

    Smart controller 'internet' technology, first patented in 2003 by Rain Master, automatically adjusts water usage via a 2-way wireless communication system.

    The company has a patent on controlling the sprinkler system remotely. This kind of patent is stupid and evil.

    1. Re:PR fluff piece by an evil company by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The company has a patent on controlling the sprinkler system remotely. This kind of patent is stupid and evil.

      You're only jealous because you didn't have the idea of taking out a patent on remotely controlling a sprinkler system by means of a manually operated rotary or other valve within the fluid delivery system at a position other than the sprinkler apparatus itself (=a tap at the other end of the hosepipe).

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  20. GRM? by Comboman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But how's this for an idea: geo-locking hardware like this? "Here's your GPS coordinates. Stray outside of this area, you stop working." Thieves will soon learn that taking something like this will brick it.

    GRM...Geographic Rights Management.

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  21. Weekend advertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After I RTFA, I have the bitter after taste of an advertisement snuck in as a news article.

    Sure, gps and two way communication on a device and how it foiled crooks is a cool geek story, but do we really care that 1/4 of the article emphasizes all its features, how it's patented, how they're the first company to do it, etc.

    Well, ok, perhaps you might. I sure don't.

  22. Medical devices will be wireless soon too... by Dareth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Say for instance your grandfather has a pacemaker with wireless.

    $>ping grandpa
    No Host Found.

    Oh no, GRANDPA!!!!

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    1. Re:Medical devices will be wireless soon too... by xtracto · · Score: 1

      what about

      $>finger grandpa

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    2. Re:Medical devices will be wireless soon too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually pacemakers already are wireless. For instance Biotronik has a pacemaker that communicates wirelessley with a gsm base station (usually in the bedroom) and it phones home details about battery life, heart details etc. As a matter of fact, adjustments to performance could 'theoretically' be made from thousands of miles away by Grandpa's heart doctor.

      $>/etc/init.d/pacemaker restart

    3. Re:Medical devices will be wireless soon too... by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      Say for instance your grandfather has a pacemaker with wireless.

      $>ping grandpa
      No Host Found.

      The Solaris ping response would be best in this case, for successful pings that is. When you ping in Solaris you get back "/insert IP/ is alive".

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    4. Re:Medical devices will be wireless soon too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say for instance your grandfather has a pacemaker with wireless.

      $>ping grandpa
      No Host Found.

      Oh no, GRANDPA!!!!

      Sorry for your loss my grandmother started returning ICMP type 11 last year.

  23. ad by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone else read the article and thought it smells a lot like it was written by the PR department of the company that manufactures those things? Lots and lots of talks about the great and unique features of the device, very little details on the alleged crime.

    If this were ZiiTrend, I'd vote 70:30 that the story is fake and PR.

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    1. Re:ad by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Sounded like that to me as well. I was instantly reminded of the incessant Alarm Force ads on the radio promoting their "Patented Two-way Voice Communication".

      Manly-sounding voice: "This is the Alarm Force Central Station. Identify yourselves immediately!"

      I can imagine the usual response:
      "Piss off. By the time the cops get here we'll be long gone."

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  24. The Real Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think the real crime is that the fools in Arizona continue to waste perfectly good drinking water
    on lawns, golf courses and man made lakes. These areas are meant to be desert.

  25. Viral Marketing by ICA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised I only saw about one other comment pointing out that this whole thing is most likely fake. At best, it was a real story that was published by marketing department for the parent company.

    I hope it was at least something real that they chose to embellish and propagate. In either case, it all feels rather sleazy.

    If you have doubts - read the story again and notice how many times the article has to mention the company that makes it by name, and how often they have to tout the various features of the device.

    1. Re:Viral Marketing by tomblag · · Score: 1

      Safari's search feature is awesome looking for this kind of stuff. There are even google textual ads at the bottom of the article for irrigation systems. Lucky coincidence for them.

  26. New twist on old theme by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brings a new twist on the old "Is your refrigerator running?" prank call:

    "Running? Let me check... why yes, about 30MPH it seems on 6th avenue. Thanks for the heads up!"

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  27. Why they returned it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They returned it because it's been reprogrammed.

    So when it starts trying to take over the world, don't say you weren't warned.

  28. Ever buy anything from ebay? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Have you ever bought anything from ebay? Or another auction? Out of the paper? From a pawn shop?

    There's plenty of ways for a thief to wash the goods, as long as they're reasonably generic.

    Sure, the final recipient is on the hook for giving it back - and has a legitimate suit against whoever sold it to them(on up the line to the criminal).

    But causing lots of damage isn't fair. Well, unless you have PROOF it's the criminal that actually stole it(or knows it was stolen), but at that point I'd rather the courts figure it out and use the resources that would have been ruined to pay restitution fees.

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    I don't read AC A human right
  29. R2? by Broken+Toys · · Score: 1

    Is that you?

    You'd better get back here or Uncle Owen is going to have a fit.

  30. Oblig Simpsons... by xtracto · · Score: 2, Funny

    Frink: Why it's the AT-5000 Auto-Dialer. My very first patent.
                  Aw, would you listen to the gibberish they've got you
                  saying, it's sad and alarming. You were designed to alert
                  schoolchildren about snow days and such. Well, let's get
                  you home to Frinky. Hope your wheels still work, bw-hey.

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    Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
  31. He tipped them off himself by Leuf · · Score: 1

    I know the article makes this assumption, but I see no proof of it. "After sending a signal to the controller to go into rain shut-down mode" So he turned the thing off remotely, that kind of tips them off doesn't it? Or perhaps they just thought it was faulty and had removed it, then when the police showed up the light bulb went off and they brought it back.

  32. Catching thieves is poor use of time? by PseudoThink · · Score: 1

    Putting the value of the equipment aside, I would say that having an officer remain on site for a few hours in order to bring a thief (grand theft, remember, not just petty theft) to justice would be worth the use of his time (barring another priority or emergency situation that required the county's full resources).

    That said, I suppose if you replace "irrigation controller" with "laptop", it does sound unlikely that police would try too hard to catch the culprits. Still, if it were my laptop, and I knew who had it, I'd be pretty upset with them if their clumsy investigative work tipped off the thief, and then they sat on their hands long enough for the thief to cover their tracks.

  33. Stupid phony alarm signs by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    Phony alarm signs are just stupid. A few years back, I was walking by a house near me and saw water coming out of the garage, down the driveway, and into the gutter. Nobody answered the door. They had a big sign for an alarm company, so I called the number on the sign. The alarm company told me they'd never had service there. One window had a sticker for a different alarm company. That, too, was phony. They even had a "Protected by ELECTRONIC alarm system" sticker, the one you can buy at Radio Shack.

    I called the water utility emergency service number; they cut off all water to the house and left a note on the door.

    1. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Phony alarm signs are just stupid.

      If the house had recently been painted and there was one of those little "painted by" advertising signs in the yard, would you have called them too?

      Do you know what would have happened if they really had an alarm monitoring contract?
      As soon as you were done talking to them, they would have called the water utility too.
      Just because a phone number is posted on a sticker in a window doesn't mean the owner of the phone number has ultimate responsibility for the house.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    2. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Do you know what would have happened if they really had an alarm monitoring contract?
      As soon as you were done talking to them, they would have called the water utility too.

      Well, that would accomplish what he was trying to do. It's not likely the people put a sticker on the house with the water utility's phone number, and that's not something most people have memorized or programmed in their phones either.

    3. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Well, that would accomplish what he was trying to do. It's not likely the people put a sticker on the house with the water utility's phone number, and that's not something most people have memorized or programmed in their phones either.

      And if there were no stickers at all, he would have been in exactly the same situation.
      At least this way, the home owners gain some benefit.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    4. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I'd be pretty unhappy if my security company revealed over the phone to an anonymous stranger that I did or didn't have service with them... even if the caller did claim to be standing out the front of my property and claiming to see water pouring from the garage.

    5. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by Crotch+Jenkins · · Score: 1

      The monitoring company typically has an emergency contact list. Contacting the utility is typically the last resort.

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    6. Re:Stupid phony alarm signs by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The monitoring company typically has an emergency contact list. Contacting the utility is typically the last resort.

      And just who is going to be on that list ahead of the utility company for the described case?
      The owners of the house? They aren't home.
      The cops? Doubt it, it's not police business and too much of that would earn the monitoring company a chicken-little rep.
      The fire department? Ditto.

      Of course if the previous poster had called 911 it would have been taken care of too. As an individual he can make an occasional off-target call and still get good results.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  34. Jawas by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

    From My Fake Version Of The Article:

    The Maintenance Supervisor of of the Moisture Farm noticed a signal coming in from the stolen controller. Interestingly it was coming from the Sandcrawler of the Jawas who had just sold him a bum R2 unit...

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    Huh?
  35. The Patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet-enabled central irrigation control PN/6,823,239

  36. Small World, x2 by cmholm · · Score: 2, Informative

    I lived in Continental Ranch for 5 years in the late '90's. The developer previously used solar panels to power the irrigation controllers for the common areas, but most (panels and controllers) were stolen by the time I moved on. I moved to CR from Simi Valley. I had no idea Rain Bird had a plant there. Prolly after my time.

    BTW, belated kudos to thousands of screwed senior citizens for the fine Continental Ranch flood control system Charles Keating built with your nest eggs, before his house of cards fell down.

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    1. Re:Small World, x2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit? I stole some solar panels and controllers from Continental Ranch in the late '90s. Really small world.