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First Commodore 64 LAN Party

Leif_Bloomquist writes "The world's first Commodore 64 LAN party was held at the Cincinnati Commodore Computer Club 2008 Expo last weekend, where the new multiplayer C64 game NetRacer was unveiled. The setup consists of up to eight Commodore 64s with Ethernet cartridges and a central server written in Java running on a PC. The game is also playable over the Internet."

224 comments

  1. high security? by spir0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is New Zealand a terrorist country or something? I got this:

    You are not authorized to view this page
    The Web server you are attempting to reach has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access the Web site, and the IP address of your browsing computer is on this list.

    Please try the following:

            * Contact the Web site administrator if you believe you should be able to view this directory or page.

    HTTP Error 403.6 - Forbidden: IP address of the client has been rejected.
    Internet Information Services (IIS)

    Technical Information (for support personnel)

            * Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 403.
            * Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled About Security, Limiting Access by IP Address, IP Address Access Restrictions, and About Custom Error Messages.

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    1. Re:high security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ditto here. Same error, in NZ, (Citylink).

    2. Re:high security? by SiliconTrip · · Score: 1

      Same in Oz. :-(

      What's the reasoning behind this?

    3. Re:high security? by cheeseboy001 · · Score: 1

      Same here (NZ). Has anyone got the admin's email address?

    4. Re:high security? by TheDreadedGMan · · Score: 1

      Same 403.6 error here in Auckland, New Zealand on Compass Communications

    5. Re:high security? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think since the C64 event is in the USA that it blocks out foreign IP addresses. Try using a Web proxy from the USA and see if that works, or Use Tor to connect to a USA Tor server.

      I'll mirror the location of the event if you want information on it:

      "05/26/2008: To pre-pay admission and table fee(s) for the C4 Expo, please Paypal your payments to cmdreclub@iglou.com.

      When making payment, please ensure you put what you are paying for

      in the comments field of the Paypal transaction.

      The receipt for the Paypal transaction MUST be presented at the

      admission desk in order to gain entrance to the Expo!!

      Door Charges: $10/person or $15/family

      Selling tables: $15/table or 3 for $35 (The hotel charges $10/table in addition for power usage.)

      T-shirts: TBD

      The Cincinnati Commodore Computer Club is proud to present the 3rd annual C4 Expo.

      June 28-29 at the Drawbridge Inn

      located at:

      2477 Royal Drive
      Fort Mitchell, KY 41017"

      I think you can use that email address to ask them why they blocked your IP. Possible some IIS administration script that locks down security also blocked foreign IPs.

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    6. Re:high security? by pdcull · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you tried using proxify to get in? I find that often works to give me a US IP address...

    7. Re:high security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, New Zealand isn't a terrorist country or anything, we're all just a bunch of racists here.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAub94aLp3s&NR=1

    8. Re:high security? by Illbay · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...05/26/2008: To pre-pay admission and table fee(s) for the C4 Expo, please Paypal your payments to cmdreclub@iglou.com.

      I think I'm beginning to understand the Security issue.

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    9. Re:high security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TORIFY the shit out of that server

    10. Re:high security? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Talk about explosive web sites. :)

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    11. Re:high security? by topnob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same in Shanghai, China, I mean why would you block china.... oh right...um carry on...

    12. Re:high security? by abstract+daddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think since the C64 event is in the USA that it blocks out foreign IP addresses.

      I'm in Finland but I'm using OpenDNS. The site works fine.

    13. Re:high security? by ulash · · Score: 1

      Works fine in Tokyo, Japan. Not sure what's happening (happened) for you guys.

    14. Re:high security? by adnonsense · · Score: 1

      Not in my part of Tokyo it doesn't... Using OCN here.

    15. Re:high security? by enrgeeman · · Score: 1

      same in south korea..

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    16. Re:high security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $10 per table for power? Unless they're using handcranked generators and brand new wiring, C64s shouldn't draw nearly so much power as to justify that.

    17. Re:high security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably just reject any IP addresses in the Asia-Pacific region. Unfortunately you're grouped in with the spammers of China and Korea in those blacklists usually.

    18. Re:high security? by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      GLBB here in Okinawa.

      No dice. 403.6 (partial error codes now? :)

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    19. Re:high security? by somersault · · Score: 1

      It's probably because of the American-Oz war?

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    20. Re:high security? by glgraca · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Pentagon is investigating training sites for suicide bomber sheep.

    21. Re:high security? by ulash · · Score: 1

      Oops. You guys are right. I think I forgot to turn off Tor on my first try during the day. Now I am getting a "HTTP Error 403.6 - Forbidden: IP address of the client has been rejected." as well. FWIW I am on Hikari through Gol. My apologies for the confusion...

    22. Re:high security? by ch0knuti · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is that I am in Russia and I can access it. I guess Russian spam is ok.

    23. Re:high security? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Oz banned too? Well, that's understandable given the Wicked Witch of the West has been spamming thousands of flying monkeys for years.

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  2. Hooray! by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Funny

    I urgently await Jumpman deathmatches!

    1. Re:Hooray! by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You haven't played Bard's Tale, Pirates!, or Donkey Kong, until you played them on the C64 using the tape drive. :)

      Jumpman was great, but I liked a game called Wizard that let you design your own levels and your own spells on a custom floppy disk and challenge your friends to deathmatches on that. It was like Jumpman but you could throw fireballs or stop your enemies from moving, or become temporary invulnerable for a short while.

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    2. Re:Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you mean That game is like crack.

    3. Re:Hooray! by soupforare · · Score: 1

      Wizard was amazing, it's the first thing I load up whenever I get a hankoring for commie lovin.'

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    4. Re:Hooray! by ewhac · · Score: 1

      Jumpman was great, but I liked a game called Wizard...

      I think I still have an original copy of that somewhere. Wonderful game. And the docs for making user-created levels and mods was amazingly complete, right down to how you could add custom code to each map.

      Schwab

    5. Re:Hooray! by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Another old wizard's fan here... /me get disgruntled thinking about the Great Balls of Fire level..... yes, to this day. (And Robots on Jumpman because that was the last level that worked on my C64 copy^H^H^H^H original copy.

      Was it blackbeard or bluebeard that had all the cracked, uh, enhanced software?

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  3. Yes but by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

    Were there any girls there?

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    1. Re:Yes but by fyrie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Judging from the pics, there was at least one.

    2. Re:Yes but by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least one, probably. Maybe two. :-P

      FWIW, I have met Ms. Ellsworth at a Commodore Convention before. Her photo on Wikipedia does not do her justice. And besides that, she really knows her stuff when it comes to the Commodore.

    3. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      At least one, probably. Maybe two. :-P

      FWIW, I have met Ms. Ellsworth at a Commodore Convention before. Her photo on Wikipedia does not do her justice. And besides that, she really knows her stuff when it comes to the Commodore.

      My god is that an awful attention whoring shirt.

    4. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Id hit it.

    5. Re:Yes but by amccaf1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, hush. I'm sure it's just an homage to Amok Time:
      http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16845670dh4.png

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    6. Re:Yes but by Pazy · · Score: 1

      So what your saying is if I want to meet a geeky girl I need to learn to code a C64? Well now im definately more motivated to learn that than anything else :)

    7. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not sure what is worse, that pic or the fact that you probably knew the exact episode that was from, started up a media player and screencap'd that. Christ.

    8. Re:Yes but by Kingrames · · Score: 4, Funny

      You must be new here.

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    9. Re:Yes but by grimJester · · Score: 1

      And besides that, she really knows her stuff when it comes to the Commodore.

      From Wikipedia: "at which point she moved to Walla Walla, Washington and attended Walla Walla College,". I'm sure it's an excellent center of C-64 learning, but...

    10. Re:Yes but by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Why does that remind me of 8-bit Dungeons and Dragons?

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    11. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There woulda been two, if I hadn't moved out of Ohio recently. Dammit.

      -CBK

    12. Re:Yes but by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My god is that an awful attention whoring shirt.

      My God you're a sexist pig. Is it so horrible for a woman to dress up for an occasion? Especially when going to an event that's important to her husband? (Yes, that guy leaning over in the photo is her husband.)

      Grow up and get a life, will you?

    13. Re:Yes but by bitrex · · Score: 5, Funny

      And every guy in the room is STILL staring only at the C64.

    14. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with Ohio?

    15. Re:Yes but by imadoofus · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with Ohio
      Except the snow and the rain
      I really like Drew Carey
      And I'd love to see the Rock n' Rock Hall of Fame

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    16. Re:Yes but by keeboo · · Score: 1

      Actually it's a C128.

    17. Re:Yes but by coresnake · · Score: 2, Funny

      ORLY?

    18. Re:Yes but by ontheroll · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, one. She was there to help with the heavy lifting.

    19. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, is there a computer in that picture..?

    20. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there are any girls there I wanna DO them!

    21. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, there might be an explanation. It's a Commodore 128.

    22. Re:Yes but by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How was that comment sexist? It would be pretty attention whoring for a guy to wear clothing with slightly risque holes in it too..

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    23. Re:Yes but by somersault · · Score: 1

      DO WHILE (blood_viagra_concentration > 0) OR UNTIL (orgasm = 1) ?

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    24. Re:Yes but by TheLink · · Score: 1

      OKOK! You win, you win!

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    25. Re:Yes but by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Risque? WTF? That's a variation on a standard sweetheart top that allows broaches to be pinned. (As she has in the photo.) If you've ever gone outside you've probably seen a woman wear a similar top.

      I know the old joke about Slashdotters and women, but dear God man. Show that you have at least a mild understanding of the fairer sex!

    26. Re:Yes but by vidarh · · Score: 1

      Ewww... Here I was hoping for a hot alien babe, and I get freakin Shatners nipples... Thanks a lot.

    27. Re:Yes but by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      That broach looks mightily like a common convention name tag to me.

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    28. Re:Yes but by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      You're right. I mistook the item in the image. Point still stands, though. :-)

    29. Re:Yes but by somersault · · Score: 1

      If you've ever gone outside you've probably seen a woman wear a similar top.

      Maybe in the US. Over here there wouldn't be the weird bit round the top, there would just be plenty of cleavage with no weird pretensions of hiding skin *shrug* that top just looks really strange to me

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    30. Re:Yes but by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      What you're describing is a standard sweetheart top. They're pretty common over here too. Like I said, that's a variation on the sweetheart top that provides a space for something to be pinned. (In this case, a name tag. ;-))

    31. Re:Yes but by ShawnDoc · · Score: 1

      Jeri is actually transgendered, so she is the one you should have put under "maybe two".

    32. Re:Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing Jeri Ellsworth with Lynn Conway.

  4. Wish I Would Have Been There by fyrie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have one of those rrnet ethernet devices for the C64. They are great fun. I tried to make a post to a phpBB and it took me about 40 minutes to navigate to the thread I wanted to post in, then it crashed. O sweet glory.

    btw, http://www.c64web.com/ is hosted on a c64.

    1. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by mnemocynic · · Score: 5, Funny

      btw, http://www.c64web.com/ [c64web.com] is hosted on a c64.

      And after posting that on /., there is now one less functioning c64 in the world.

    2. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by fyrie · · Score: 1

      That didn't take long. It must only be able to handle 64 simultaneous connections.

    3. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      btw, http://www.c64web.com/ is hosted on a smoldering heap of slag.

      Fixed.

    4. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? I'm posting this from my C64 with no problems!

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    5. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      PhpBB software is buggy, and sometimes when a web administrator tries to make mods to it, they end up making it buggier. Hence the crash.

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    6. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      6 bits should be enough for anyone

    7. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      I have one of those rrnet ethernet devices for the C64. They are great fun. I tried to make a post to a phpBB and it took me about 40 minutes to navigate to the thread I wanted to post in, then it crashed. O sweet glory.

      Wow. I guess you have a far lower threshold for fun than I.

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    8. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Yeah, posting that link wasn't the brightest thing to do, nor was it very nice to whomever the owner of it is, unless it's the OP's own server and he wanted it to turn into a melted pile of goo.

    9. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Lost+Race · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... server ... turn into a melted pile of goo.

      Yeah, a fully loaded 6510 puts out an awesome amount of heat. Not.

    10. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Joke, I'd like you to meet my new friend Lost Race. Lost Race, meet Joke.

    11. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "From up here he looks like an ant!"

    12. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by Lord+Crowface · · Score: 1

      Actually, the C64-hosted website is holding up fairly well. I guess it's pretty sad that a C64 can survive a Slashdot influx, but some more normal site hosted in an actual server farm will die under a similar load.

    13. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by fyrie · · Score: 1

      It looks like it has served roughly 700 pages since I posted the link. That's quite an accomplishment if you ask me.

    14. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by vidarh · · Score: 1

      They do when they've short-circuited. I more than once repaired C64's by opening it up, plugging it in, and feeling each chip until I found the one that was burning hot or giving off smoke. Usually one of the bloody 6526's (CIA - the IO chip; both the 6526, and it's successor, the 8520 that was used on the Amiga, are notorious for burning out easily if you short the inputs, which really is pretty stupid for an IO chip connected directly to an external interface).

    15. Re:Wish I Would Have Been There by c64web · · Score: 1

      Its doing well considering the amount of traffic its getting and running on a 8bit 1mhz cpu with 64k of memory built well over 20 years ago. Thanks c64web :)

  5. First Lan Party! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Lan Party!

  6. Alternative to Vista? by stevedmc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Vista must be pretty bad if people are switching to C64.

    1. Re:Alternative to Vista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vista must be pretty bad if people are switching to C64.

      this will become a famous statement

    2. Re:Alternative to Vista? by MaxVT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why are they doing that? On a C64, the blue screen always appears as soon as you boot!

    3. Re:Alternative to Vista? by stevedmc · · Score: 0

      Here is the major difference between the two blue screens:

      On a C64 you get a blue screen of life.
      On a Microsoft machine you get a blue screen of death.

      Which do you prefer? Life or death?

    4. Re:Alternative to Vista? by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
      Well this video proves that a 14Mhz Mac Classic is faster than a Dual-core multi-gigahertz PC running Vista.

      I think to beat the Mac and the PC, the 1Mhz C64 would have to be running Warp 25 on a 1541 floppy disk drive though (6 seconds to load any program), and I am not sure that is compatible with GEOS (which uses its own file system). Although if it had a hard-drive it could probably beat Vista into the dust on that challenge.

  7. 10 REM probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    20 poke 53280,0
    30 print "FrIst";
    40 goto 30

    1. Re:10 REM probably not by PaganRitual · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see it now.

      "Hey that's an awesome color scheme, how do I do that?"

      "It's easy, just enter in 'SYS 64728'"

      "Hey sweet, thanks for tha... HEY YOU JERK WHAT THE HELL, oh wait nevermind I'm back on now anyway"

    2. Re:10 REM probably not by andrewa · · Score: 1

      Isn't it SYS 64738??

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    3. Re:10 REM probably not by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I did a typo, dammit.

      I'll never actually forget those numbers.

  8. Talk about retro! by flajann · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yeow! I may have expected an Amiga club, but C64? Man, does that bring back memories!!!

    I did a lot of cool stuff on the 64 way, WAY back, using Forth (remember that language?).

    Some computers will never die. No matter how old. LONG LIVE COMMODORE!!!!

    1. Re:Talk about retro! by hitmark · · Score: 3, Informative

      sadly, commodore of today is a shadow of its former self...

      http://www.commodoregaming.com/pcshop/home.aspx

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    2. Re:Talk about retro! by CrispBH · · Score: 1

      using Forth (remember that language?).

      I certainly do, one of my CS modules I recently completed required the use of Forth in the coursework assessment. We had to create a mixed mode recursive descent compiler in Forth. At first I was a little annoyed at having to use this archaic language. However, I quickly found that it solidified my understanding of computer systems and programming in general. Being stack and word based, and not what I'm used to, it made me take a step back and apply some thought for a moment.

      In the end, I got a lot out of Forth, and I'd suggest to anyone interested in programming that they have a play with it for a few hours. You might be surprised what an old language has to offer, and at the very least boost your programming artistry.

    3. Re:Talk about retro! by kvezach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not Commodore, it's a corporate body snatcher wearing the skin of the fallen Commodore.

    4. Re:Talk about retro! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      FORTH is used in OpenFirmware, which was used by PowerPC Macs and is still used by Sun SPARC systems and a few others. It's popular because it's very fast to interpret with a tiny interpreter and can be compiled for even faster code. If you buy a video card (for example) for an Open Firmware machine then it will have its firmware written in FORTH. The host system can then run it irrespective of what CPU it contains. In contrast, the PC version of the same card will have x86 machine code.

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    5. Re:Talk about retro! by flajann · · Score: 1
      I amazed myself with Forth by writing a disassembler in Forth -- overnight. On the blessed C64, no less!

      I have frolicked with many languages since then, but Forth will always occupy fond memories in my head.

  9. At last by hey! · · Score: 1

    Junis will be able to download that porn.

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    1. Re:At last by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      C64 porn? Sigh. Back to tits that look like they're made out of Legos.
           

    2. Re:At last by triso · · Score: 1

      C64 porn? Sigh. Back to tits that look like they're made out of Legos.

         

      Legos, eh? And I thought they all had shingles. Silly me.

    3. Re:At last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C64 porn? Sigh. Back to tits that look like they're made out of Legos.

      Thanks to growing up with a c64, I personally can't get off to tits that don't look like legos.

    4. Re:At last by Fippy+Darkpaw · · Score: 1

      Back to tits that look like they're made out of Legos

      So whats the problem?

    5. Re:At last by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Thanks to growing up with a c64, I personally can't get off to tits that don't look like legos.

      You ya go...

      http://drew.corrupt.net/lp/series1.html

      http://drew.corrupt.net/lp/series2.html

      http://drew.corrupt.net/lp/series3.html

  10. So.... by Xest · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that site painfully slow because it's been Slashdotted or because it's running on a C64 ;) ?

    More importantly, what happens when a C64 gets Slashdotted, does it start chewing up tapes or melt or anything?

    1. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      From what I understand, C64's tend to work pretty well under high web server load. They just deny service to a lot of people as they crank out one page at a time (not multi-threaded, not multi-process, so no virtual memory thrashing) to each request in their limited queue.

    2. Re:So.... by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Based on my past C64 experience, the power supply overheats and the system shuts down. I was always trying to look for a power supply that didn't overheat. Sometimes putting a glass of ice water on top of it helped it not overheat.

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    3. Re:So.... by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      And even if not, now all the Slashdotters who clicked the link, then felt guilty about harassing a poor C64 will try again!

    4. Re:So.... by toejam13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It completely depends on if it is stock or not.

      There is an add-on board for the Commodore 64 called the SuperCPU that features a 20 MHz WDC 65816 processor. It also supports up to 16MB of direct memory (w/o bank switching). Recall that the 65816 uses hard-wired 1-byte ops as opposed to the microcoded 2-byte ops that the 68000 uses, so for many instructions, the 65816 is much faster cycle-for-cycle.

      That said, I've heard of rumors of somebody making a prototype add-on board using a MC 68EC020, hanging the original C64 chipset and a small bit of memory (for 8-bit DMA) off of the 6800 synchronous bus and the rest of main memory off of the 68K asynchronous bus.

      Heck, bump it up to a full 68030 or 68040 and you could run BSD with Apache on your C64.

    5. Re:So.... by A+Life+in+Hell · · Score: 1

      Based on my past C64 experience, the power supply overheats and the system shuts down. I was always trying to look for a power supply that didn't overheat. Sometimes putting a glass of ice water on top of it helped it not overheat.

      protovision sells one, iirc
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    6. Re:So.... by candude43 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was amazingly fast, but my online experiences with a C64 were tempered by a 300 baud modem and a 1541 floppy. I doubt that site depends on either.

    7. Re:So.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you are replacing the CPU with one with an incompatible instruction set and adding more RAM that the original hardware can't access then I think you are hard pressed to say that it's still a C64.

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    8. Re:So.... by andrewa · · Score: 1

      Just go for the Commodore One - http://c64upgra.de/

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    9. Re:So.... by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      It is debatable.

      Is an IBM 286/AT with a 386 turbo board still an AT? Is an Amiga 1200/EC020 with a PowerPC accelerator still an Amiga? Both of those upgrades extend the address bus from 16MB to 4GB, as well as incorporating new machine code instructions.

      I would say that a Commodore 64 or 128 with a WDC 65816 accelerator board is still the original system at heart. When the 65816 is set to 6502 emulation mode and fed a 1MHz clock, it'll run 99.99% of all original software (including programs that [ab]use illegal op-codes and utilize processor clock dependent timing) without issue. As for the extra memory above 64KB, I believe that some of it is available to stock C64 programs through the use of [emulated] 6510 bank switching. So, it is more of an evolutionary enhancement than a revolutionary replacement.

      As for a C64 powered by a MC 68000, I think you do have a point. But what about people who only the use MC 6809 in their SuperPET, or only use the Zilog Z80 in their Commodore 128? The reason they get a free pass is because the auxiliary processor was sold with the system.

      But those processors are 100% incompatible with the "main" processor. Yet the rest of the system is still very much that of a PET or a C128. So where do they fit?

    10. Re:So.... by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      Based on my past C64 experience, the power supply overheats and the system shuts down. I was always trying to look for a power supply that didn't overheat. Sometimes putting a glass of ice water on top of it helped it not overheat.

      protovision sells one, iirc

      If I want a glass of ice water, I'll get one from my own fridge, dagnabbit, and not put money into the pockets of protovision!

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  11. Wow... pretty late development there by joocemann · · Score: 0

    I was just playing some team fortress 2, so please don't hate me for my lack of enthusiasm when looking at this game.

    I came up with chess bowling a while ago for the Chess-board gaming system, but nobody cared. 10 pawns, one orange, pure fun! I think Call of Duty 4 distracted the gamers from caring about my bowling idea.

    1. Re:Wow... pretty late development there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to digg.

    2. Re:Wow... pretty late development there by joocemann · · Score: 1

      what is digg? Is it a game for the NES?

    3. Re:Wow... pretty late development there by Starayo · · Score: 1

      I think you're thinking of Dig Dug

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  12. Second chance by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    If you missed the Univac party, this is your next chance.

  13. Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

    C64 certainly never will die, not as long as people enjoy playing those old games. But the hardware will wear out eventually, and nobody's making any more, so it's off to emulation land. Or do true blue C64 hackers sneer at emulators?

    1. Re:Immortality by vidarh · · Score: 1
      That depends on what you mean by "making any more". There are 6510 compatible CPU's still being manufactured, and there are emulations of the rest available for FPGA's, and there's the C-One based on FPGA's + a compatible CPU that aims for full compatibility with the C64 and a number of other old home computers.

      Personally I'll stick with emulation, though the C-One looks like something it'd be fun to own, so maybe if/when they get something a bit less beta...

    2. Re:Immortality by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Well the Wii can emulate the C64... If you live in Europe. Anyone else can't get the games.

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    3. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about a system, you're talking about a component. You might as well talk about the Ford Model A still being "made" because you can still get parts for it.

    4. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      C64 emulators run on a variety of platforms. Most old gaming platforms have thriving communities of emulator users. Games are readily available online. Technically copyright infringement, but there's not a lot of enforcement, since the software has little or no commercial value.

    5. Re:Immortality by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      With the introduction of virtual console for Wii, couldn't one argue that there is quite a bit of commercial value in these games now? I can't believe it took them so long to do it. I was playing emulated game-boy and NES games in the 90s. 10 years later you can finally get them legally by paying for them. Anybody have any idea how well those virtual console games are selling. I can see games like SMB 3 getting a lot of sales, but a lot of them I can't see anybody wanting to actually pay for.

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    6. Re:Immortality by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Games are readily available online. Technically copyright infringement, but there's not a lot of enforcement, since the software has little or no commercial value.

      But I would much rather buy my games then pirate them. Because unlike music what sells well with games determines what gets released more. (So if more RPGs are sold then FPS games, more RPGs will be made)

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    7. Re:Immortality by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's always the C64 DTV...

      That's based on a C64-on-a-chip, designed by Jeri Ellsworth... and has solder pads ready to go to add floppy drives and a keyboard.

    8. Re:Immortality by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 0, Redundant

      But the hardware will wear out eventually, and nobody's making any more, (..)

      Not any time soon - a couple hundred thousand C64's were built just a few years ago, battery-powered and all. Although the build quality isn't very good, these are real C64's, and solder-friendly too. Take out the circuit board, fix the video, wire up an additional joystick and a real keyboard, and you're all set.

    9. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      "Quite a bit" is probably an exaggeration, but you do have a point.

    10. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I too prefer to pay for my software. But if owner doesn't even give me a chance to pay without making me pay for a lot of stuff I don't need, I feel no obligation to refrain from downloading a pirate copy. I shouldn't have to buy a Wii just to play an old C64 game.

    11. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      That's still not a complete system. "Computer on a chip" is still not a computer.

    12. Re:Immortality by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I said it's based on the chip.

      Take it out of the box, plug it into power and a TV, and you're running C64 games natively.

      If you want to run stuff that didn't come with it, or use a keyboard or floppy drives, that's when you have to break out the soldering iron.

    13. Re:Immortality by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Hell, games are available in stores. You can get packs of 100s of C64 games easily. Not sure about the legality but they are sold in stores and no lawsuits have been filed.

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    14. Re:Immortality by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I shouldn't have to buy a Wii just to play an old C64 game.

      Some things are only available on some hardware. Should I have to buy a NES to play NES games? Should I have to buy a Mac to run Mac OS? Should I have to get a PS2 to run PS2 games?

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    15. Re:Immortality by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The * Games titles (Summer Games, California Games and a third one, Winter Games?) are in the top 20 list of the Virtual Console. The top spots are obviously taken by the likes of Mario and Zelda. The other C64 games I remember as being on the system (not top 20 though) are Paradroid, Castelian, Last Ninja and Cybernoid. It's not a huge list, C64 support was only added fairly recently.

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    16. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      My mistake. C64 forever!

    17. Re:Immortality by fyrie · · Score: 1

      Considering that there were roughly 20 million C64s made, we are a long way off before working c64s become difficult to find. Hell, I managed to find one new in box a couple months ago:
      http://mynerditorium.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-old-stock-in-box-c64c-arrives.html
      http://mynerditorium.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-in-box-1541-ii-and-other-goodies.html

      That being said, your basic premise is correct. A day will come within the next couple generations when it will be difficult to get your hands on a working system. I'd have to guess that the disk drives will be the first things to go. The good news is that there are quite a few drive emulation alternatives out there at the moment. However, nothing beats the clickity clack of a 1541.

    18. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The games in stores are certainly licensed — distributors wouldn't go near them otherwise. I suspect that these games are among those you can't find on download sites.

      Either that, or there's not enough money involved to care. Note that you can download the early 2D GTA games for free from the publisher's web site, even though they're also being sold in shrinkwrap.

    19. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      i.e. = id est = that is
      e.g. = exempli gratia = for example

      I used to make a living typing and copy editing papers for students. When I started doing it, I read the style books and memorized that rule, among many others.

      Had one customer, a philosophy grad student, who used "viz." a lot. When I asked him why, he said he could never remember the difference between i.e. and e.g.

      Now I'm a technical writer, and and all the technical writer stylebooks say, Don't use Latin abbreviations. Too obscure. Very sensible.

    20. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Dude, you can't buy an NES. That platform is only available in emulation. If the only legal way to play a game is on a Wii ($250 list, actually more on the street, since retailers are using the shortage to force people to buy bundles), and you have no general desire to play Wii games, why should you be forced to buy a Wii to play a game that's worth $5 by itself.

      IP owners have a right to a profit, but not to gouge. I think they're beginning to realize that, and not, for example, demand that we pay $70/month for a cable connection just to watch a few shows. If they make a show available online for a reasonable fee, or make a DVD available for sale or rent, I'll pay and not feel ripped off. But if they say no, you gotta subscribe, I have no compunction about downloading an illegal copy. That's a common attitude, and the main reason you can now get many cable shows online.

      One nasty example: there's a British TV show called "Life on Mars" I really want to see. (There's going to be an American version; I have zero interest in that.) I've been waiting for years. So far it's only been available on cable — plus, edited down to make room for commercials! Heck with that.

      And now I've discovered that it probably never will make it to Region 1 DVD, because U.S. copyright laws have gotten so strict, it would not be feasible to "clear" all the music they use on the show. As soon as I get around to configuring my home route for bittorrent, I am so downloading that sucker.

    21. Re:Immortality by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the blog photos. Have fun with your new toy.

      I was amused to see a manual for QuantumLink, which is an ancestor of AOL.

    22. Re:Immortality by pragma_x · · Score: 1

      Awesome find! I'm still trying to track down some working SID chips for mine (I have two) since they went bad years ago.

      BTW, do the disks still work?

    23. Re:Immortality by fyrie · · Score: 1

      All of the disks that I have that were sealed appear to be working. I've picked up some older floppies with games on them through various auctions and it's really hit or miss. It really illustrates that proper storage is the key to disk life.

      On the topic of disks - the availability of new 5.25" double density disks is becoming scarce. I don't know how many factories are still producing them in the rest of the world, but I've read that Athana has recently stopped producing them. Athana was the only company producing new ones in the USA that I am aware of.

    24. Re:Immortality by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Dude, you can't buy an NES.

      Ever heard of fleamarkets or eBay?

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    25. Re:Immortality by vidarh · · Score: 1
      I specifically pointed to the C-One. The entire point of the C-One is to develop a full system that will use a compatible CPU as well as FPGA versions of the remaining components.

      The point being that you won't need to run an emulator - you're still able to run the software unmodified on actual hardware. Does the fact that it uses FPGA's disqualify it for you? If so, why?

      The C64 used many different revisions of various components over the years (just look at an early revision board vs. one of the later ones - the early ones were full of simple logic chips, while the later ones had large empty areas), and people have plugging things like the SuperCPU into genuine C64's for years, as well as large numbers of other enhancements - where do you draw the line?

    26. Re:Immortality by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      I'd have to guess that the disk drives will be the first things to go. The good news is that there are quite a few drive emulation alternatives out there at the moment. However, nothing beats the clickity clack of a 1541.

      New 3.5 inch drives are available for the Commodores. Check out http://cmdrkey.com/

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  14. Cluster of C64s by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    Networked C64? Cool, wake me up when you get a Beowulf cluster of these!

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  15. Re:Quick Mr. Peabody into the Wayback Machine by morari · · Score: 1

    Will someone please tell these people to go get a life! Maybe the "Evil" Capt. Kirk can go do that.

    Was that the one that started fistfights with everyone in sight and screwed women left and right without any intention of calling them the next day?

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  16. Oblig. by owlnation · · Score: 1

    64 Commodores ought to be enough for anyone.

    1. Re:Oblig. by mikael · · Score: 1

      64K should be enough for anyone (16-bit addressing)

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  17. horrid site by socsoc · · Score: 1

    Was this site designed on a C64?

    Sheesh, I think I melted the W3 validator with it...

    1. Re:horrid site by richy+freeway · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't work out who's geekier. The guys holding C64 lan parties or you running websites through the W3 validator...

  18. been there, done that by XO · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can say that I have actually done this before, back in the 80's. Not using Ethernet, as I don't think there were any Ethernet hardwares available at the time for the Commodore .. but I've done it. Wired several Commodores together, and played multiplayer games.

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    1. Re:been there, done that by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back about 1986, I actually surfed the net on a Commodore 128.
      The local community college got a spanking new server hooked up, and students were allowed to dial in in to get schedules, some class material, whatever. (I think it was still Arpanet back then, but it was years before World wide web)

      Anyway, I logged in (at a whopping 1200 baud), looked around (After a bit of tweaking, Commodore had lowercase and capitals switched in ascii, plus none standard characters) and actually made it to a few net sites. (IBM, some national Community college site, a couple of others)

      Wasn't interested, it was slower than most BBS's I could get to, had almost no graphics (and none that I could view), and no content I was interested in at the time, So I logged off and didn't get back to the net until 1998. Things sure changed in a dozen years!

      Oh, I wasn't a student there, just heard about it and was curious. Online security? Some things haven't changed much!

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    2. Re:been there, done that by Oshawapilot · · Score: 1

      There was a modem-to-modem game (I think it was called ModemWars?) that I used to play all the time back in the Commodore days. It was great fun to play and was way ahead of it's time, despite the sometime painful process of getting the two systems to connect successfully to play. It wasn't ethernet, and it wasn't internet based, but it was multiplayer and it was "online".

      We used to all have two phone lines back then so we'd play using one line for data, and talk about the game on the other line.

      Good times...

    3. Re:been there, done that by mikael · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's amazing how things change in 10 years. Back in the mid 1990's, getting access to the university from home required a 14K baud modem with PPP, with a university modem pool of two modems.

      10 to 15 years later, and every student can just sftp or ssh to their university account through broadband internet. Some even have their own PC security cameras set up so they can watch their own room from anywhere on campus.

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  19. Obligatory Shredz64 Mention by dleifelohcs · · Score: 1

    My friend Toni created the Shredz64 project, which brings Guitar Hero style games to the C64: http://www.toniwestbrook.com/shredz64

    And also, to make the controls work, a PS2 to C64 adapter, which coincidentally just started shipping today: http://www.toniwestbrook.com/psx64

  20. I'm happy for them by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure these guys (and gals?) had a ton of fun. I see a lot of comments of the "what a bunch of dorks"-kind. I don't think they're any more dorks than any person who has a hobby and likes to associate and share his experiences and passion with like-minded folks. Don't over think it - it's just socializing and fun, nothing else.

    As for the C-64: I have several of 'em, and as soon as it becomes crystal clear which Ethernet card is the dominant (we're close) I'll be picking up one. I have networked weird stuff into my network already (Sony NEWS, Netwinder, old DOS PC/packet driver etc.) why not add one of my C-64s.

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    1. Re:I'm happy for them by thedak · · Score: 1

      That's the thought I was having, the comments about them being dorks was really irking me as I was going through. It's something they're interested in and it's a hobby that requires at least a tiny bit of intelligence, maybe they don't realize they're on /. or something.

      I have my C64 in-box upstairs and I was thinking the same thing while I was reading the article, I think it could be a fun project.

      My first thought was really, "aw damn, I missed it!" and looked longingly to my C64 :(

    2. Re:I'm happy for them by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure these guys (and gals?) had a ton of fun. I see a lot of comments of the "what a bunch of dorks"-kind. I don't think they're any more dorks than any person who has a hobby and likes to associate and share his experiences and passion with like-minded folks. Don't over think it - it's just socializing and fun, nothing else.

      Call me a dork -- I have three C64's, two of which were purchased in the mid 80s. So I was collecting them before it was even cool to do so. They are among some of my most precious possessions -- I dare not even power them up for fear of wear and tear. I reserve that for one of the later models I got on eBay a few years ago.

      My life orbits around technology. This is entirely due to Commodore. Yes, those dorky little obsolete boxes are the source of my wealth and happiness. The only thing more precious is my family, and my box of COMPUTE!'s Gazette magazines along with a few issues of 3-2-1 Contact.

      SYS 64738? I'll never.

    3. Re:I'm happy for them by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Call me a dork

      You're a dork.

      So I was collecting them before it was even cool to do so.

      Oh yeah? I drilled a hole in a piece of soap by myself, once. I was way ahead of the curve.

      3-2-1 Contact

      Whenever there's trouble, they're there on the double.

      Seriously though, you didn't say anything about Amiga, so there must be hope for you.

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    4. Re:I'm happy for them by pclminion · · Score: 1

      I never touched an Amiga. But, I was always jealous of the kids with their IBM PC Jr's who submitted cool graphics programs for 3-2-1 Contact's magazine. There were no graphics primitives in C64 basic.

      I remember the typical delay loop in C64 BASIC: FORD=1TO1000:NEXTD The fact that whitespace was optional always made things interesting to decipher.

    5. Re:I'm happy for them by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I remember watching a C= Xmas demo with some cute animations that was made up of text chars. As you know better than I most likely, the C= had a ton of graphics-ish text characters. By using them intelligently it was possible to do low-res graphics with them. But that's pretty tricksy stuff. Still, it ends up being at least as high resolution as GR on the Apple ][...

      I had a C= 16 with no storage device, I didn't mess with that long. Then I got an Apple ][+ and later a whole series of Amigas. I got better, though I would still like to get a CD32.

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    6. Re:I'm happy for them by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

      They are probably just jealous Speccy owners still bitter to the very end about making the wrong PC choice in the 80s, it's completely understandable.

    7. Re:I'm happy for them by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 1

      I'm sure these guys (and gals?) had a ton of fun. I see a lot of comments of the "what a bunch of dorks"-kind. I don't think they're any more dorks than any person who has a hobby and likes to associate and share his experiences and passion with like-minded folks. Don't over think it - it's just socializing and fun, nothing else.

      Normally I might have unloaded on the people in these pictures but I just came home from a holiday weekend camping trip at the local state park. After watching a bunch of slack-jawed dolts blowing their fingers off with fireworks for the last few days, pictures of garden-variety nerds actually make me happy.

    8. Re:I'm happy for them by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I had a C-16, too. The sound sucked on that one, but programming in general was really easy, and they looked kinda cool, with the dark gray case and light gray keys.

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    9. Re:I'm happy for them by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      It's that time of the year? I mean, the Spectrum vs. Commodore flamewar ;o) Just kidding, but those do happen rather regularly on comp.sys....something-or-the-other. I used to have much fun reading those threads. Mostly because they were really in good spirit, in spite of all the flaming that was going on.

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    10. Re:I'm happy for them by mikael · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of retro-programming 1980's home computers with the knowledge that we have now.

      These machines had so much potential and so much style in the simplicity of the design of the system ie. keyboard + IO/ports + TV = computer.

      I really wish that the manufacturers had been able to update their systems with current CPU's and graphics chips and still keep their operating systems, rather than everything being swallowed up by one OS maker.

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    11. Re:I'm happy for them by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Modded down for that? This is why no one likes Amiga users. They have even less of a sense of humor than Mac fanboys. If MUFS wasn't enough to send you away from Amiga to Linux, though, I guess nothing will be.

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    12. Re:I'm happy for them by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Hey, watch it - I'm an Amiga user (from time to time (actually, extremely rarely now, but still)), and I have *excellent* sense of humour.

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  21. Odd Thoughts: by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

    * so I take it that no one could cough up the highest Crysis framerate figure? (yes, I know, I KNOW! ...but it seems to be all-to-common for LAN-goers to brag on framerates these days).

    * Finally! I can bring my machine-du-jour and not have everyone stare at it funny because it's not a Windows box! (I always brought either a Linux box or a Mac).

    * How d'ya taunt on chat in the thing? "'LOAD * 8,1' this, n00b!" doesn't quite have a ring to it, y'know?

    * How many LED's and uber-liquid-cooling heatsink rigs can you jam into a C-64 case, anyway?

    * Well, rebooting would still be just as common...

    /P

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  22. Re:Eh by ya+really · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eh (Score:0, Redundant)
    by Lulfas (1140109) on Sunday July 06, @05:52PM (#24077695)

    Eh

    Possibly one of the best uses of the Redundant mod tag I have yet seen.

  23. 38911... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basic Bytes Free

    Ready.

  24. Unusual, but not a first... by Panaqqa · · Score: 1

    Hate to be a spoilsport, but we had an operational C64 LAN back in 1983. I worked for RTC, an early computer firm (long since gone), and one of the products we developed was the "Multi Link", a LAN adapter that networked C64s in a star topology. It was originally designed for use in educational settings, but needless to say, as a bunch of early hackers we quickly got some games running multi-player.

    We also used to access the Internet using a c64, but that's a story for another time.

    1. Re:Unusual, but not a first... by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm also aware of the ECCC, Emergency Chicagoland Commodore Convention, dating back to 2006. I'm not absolutely sure, but I'd bet that at least parts of it might qualify as a LAN party. At the very least, I saw a photo from 2007 of a game being demoed as the "first Internet game for the C64".

    2. Re:Unusual, but not a first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I remember the ads. unfortunately, there seem to have been very few sold as noone I know (and I know alot in the commodore "scene") has ever had one.

      I have most of rtc's hardware and this one eluded me.

      also, I am sure it is safe to say that noone wrote a game or any other app back then that used TCP/IP. or Java :)

      This was a historic event if you care about Commodore. if you don't? move along to the next post.

      What RTC did and what Leif did are two very separate and different things.

  25. Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by anorlunda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My first personally owned computer wasn't a C64, it was a Commodore Pet. That doesn't make me *that* much older than the C64 crowd, does it?

    The Pet was also the first computer I ever used that booted itself when I turned on the power. My reward for turning on the the switch was a HELLO? prompt. All other computers I used at work before the Pet required me to enter a bootstrap program in binary before they would start the OS.

    In Pet Basic one could do wonderfully fun things, especially with the character graphics. My kids loved the games I wrote. I don't recall ever buying any software for the Pet. Wrote it all myself. It was great fun.

    For some strange reason, the Commodore Pet is always forgotten when people write about the pioneering PC days.

    1. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Yes, the first computer I used was a Commodore PET model 2001 with 8K of RAM and a cassette deck built into the unit right beside the keyboard. (My father was a teacher and he was able to bring these computers home from school on weekends and summer vacations.) We soon upgraded to a PET 4032 with a 2031 disk drive. We purchased our own C64 system shortly after that, and although the games blew those of the PET out of the water, I kind of miss the old PETs.

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    2. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      I have a bunch of PETs still, certainly rugged beasties. I liked a lot of the games in that they were so simple they relied more on the user's skill (learned my angles and coordinates from many a PET game)

      Also was one of the first home computers to play multi-computer games:
      http://www.portcommodore.com/flashindex.php

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    3. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      All other computers I used at work before the Pet required me to enter a bootstrap program in binary before they would start the OS.

      That would be PDPs you used at work then?

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    4. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some strange reason, the Commodore Pet is always forgotten when people write about the pioneering PC days.

      Actually "ignored", and for a couple of reasons. Mainly it wasn't that popular. You could get one for summer job money ($500?), which was radical, but very few individuals did. The PET was almost solely influential by giving Commodore a start that led to the VIC 20. It didn't have much impact on the market itself.

      The second reason is it's just hard to write more than a footnote about it unless you had one. Writers tend to get confused by the different models of PET vs the very few first-hand recollections they can dig up. That doesn't make for pithy or interesting writing, so instead they talk about the Apple II, and then the VIC on the way the C64.

      That said, your statement is also kinda untrue. People /do/ write about the PET if you look to the web rather than books and magazines. GOTO Wikipedia to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_PET

    5. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by Panaqqa · · Score: 1

      Actually, I had a Commoodore PET 2001 back in 1979. That machine got me started down my current path (IT, software development). My PET had 8K of RAM, cassette device, and the old style "chicklet" keyboard. Piece of trivia: PET stood for "Personal Electronic Transactor".

      At the ripe old age of 15, I developed a number of games for the PET and actually sold them through a company called "Instant Software" that was affiliated with Kilobaud Magazine (later "Microcomputing"). The $200-$300 US royalty cheques that I received from them each month went a long way towards paying for my university education in 1980-1983.

      Hate to say it, but the unstructured MICROSOFT basic on the PET caused me to develop a number of bad habits (unstructured spaghetti code) which were difficult to get rid of a couple of years later. But I can brag that I was using Microsoft development tools 30 years ago.

    6. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lying cunt, it says READY?

    7. Re:Doesn't Anyone Miss the Commodore Pet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! It says READY.

  26. Re:Quick Mr. Peabody into the Wayback Machine by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that the regular captain Kirk?

  27. The Utter Geekery of this event... by Illbay · · Score: 1

    ...reads off the chart.

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    1. Re:The Utter Geekery of this event... by ChrisH619 · · Score: 1

      Gotta admit.... That event for geeks, this is Geekdom of the highest rank.

      I still have the odd yearnings for the nostalgia of a C64, and a reliable joystick to "waggle".

      But then eBay grips me & I ask "Do I really want to pay that much for a working C64??"

  28. Feh... by Humorless+Coward. · · Score: 1

    call me when you have a WoW port for Altair 8800s, m'kay?

  29. meh by DanWS6 · · Score: 1

    Get back to me when I can play the original pong on a lan.

  30. Re: Screen Changes by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Informative

    25 Poke 53281,6

    I stayed with Blue & Black Trim ever since.

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  31. Re:Amiga & Beyond by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    There's rumors of a new Commodore OS in terminal Beta.

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  32. Re: Memes by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    How far can you strip Linux so it qualifies as "running" (crawling) on a Commodore?

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  33. Re: Validators by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe someone can run a browser through Acid3. I'm sure it will score beter than IE.

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  34. Re: The U.S. really needs an English to Wisdom dic by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 0, Troll

    To get Wisdom, you Take a Course in international relations.
    Bush decided instead to Stay the Course.

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  35. Re: Loops! by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    My business management books say that FORD (Motors) went from 1 to 1000 on the quality scale in those years in response to competitive pressures.

    Now Linux communities will FORK 1 kernal to 1000 distros.

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  36. My Archaic computer Restoration project of choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.oldskool.org/guides/tvdog/1000TL.html
      Was to restore this Tandy.

  37. With all due respect to the C64 by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    My God, let it die already. How long can it possibly be interesting to continue to use these?

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    1. Re:With all due respect to the C64 by A+Life+in+Hell · · Score: 1

      My God, let it die already. How long can it possibly be interesting to continue to use these?

      At least 25 years. HTH. HAND.

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    2. Re:With all due respect to the C64 by downix · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, the C64 is far more interesting than a PC is to some people simply because a single person can understand it.

      So, you want to get rid of human understanding of the machines they work on?

      I, for one, do not welcome my robot over...*ZAPZAPZAP*

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    3. Re:With all due respect to the C64 by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      We're not home to Mr Grumpy!

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  38. C64s rock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TalkingTeacher on C64 taught me to read. It is awesome to hear that people are still using them and making games for them. Now I am going to have to go and dig mine out of the garage.

  39. Re: Memes by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

    About this http://lng.sourceforge.net/ much.
    Unfortunately, it seems like it's been abandoned since 2004.

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  40. Spectrum too soon! by Alioth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hopefully we can do the same with the Sinclair Spectrum soon - I've almost completed the prototype ethernet card for the Spectrum. The prototype is working - I've had it connect to IRC, but there are some things to finish on the library and the board's CPLD.

    Picture is here: http://spectrum.alioth.net/doc/index.php/Image:Itlives.jpg

  41. from the dude-are-we-late dept. by Peeet · · Score: 1

    I guess that explains why I never could find any good LAN parties when I lived in Cincinnati, they are "20 years behind the times" after all, and just now getting Commodore 64s. Maybe in another couple decades there will be some 21st century style LAN parties in Cincy while the rest of us are gaming with our brain implants...

  42. But it does... by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    ...migrate it's electrons quite neatly when under stress. I noticed this several times when I stressed the VIC chip on a C64 (using a simple poke 53280,i flashing program ; yes, even BASIC can make processors suffer ;)

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    1. Re:But it does... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      DISCLAIMER: USE OF THE FOLLOWING MAY CAUSE HARDWARE DAMAGE. I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR USE OR MISUSE OF THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION.

      Setting bit 5 of memory mapped address 53270 can cause chips to overheat.

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.Filter error: Don't use so many caps.

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  43. Re: Memes by downix · · Score: 1

    Check out this.

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  44. A C64 ... lan party? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    A C64 lan party is a bit like doing a quarter-mile drag race with "big wheel" plastic trikes... funny for the first 30 seconds and then really stupid and boring for the next half hour until it's finally done.

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    1. Re:A C64 ... lan party? by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Uh... that's why you bring the beer and weed. Then done becomes a relative term.

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  45. Mark Twain by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    Legend has it that Mark Twain once said "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it's always twenty years behind the times." That seems about right.

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  46. 64KB enough for anyone by glgraca · · Score: 2, Funny

    That proves that 64KB really ought to be enough for anyone.

  47. Meanwhile by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, over at the Atari 800 convention down the hall, Atari enthusiasts were having a party celebrating the release of the first product for the left cartridge slot: a tiny feather slot duster that folds up and fits in your wallet.

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  48. C64 days are numbered by JonnyRocks · · Score: 1

    The commodore will never last.

  49. Re:Eh by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

    How fortunate you filtered at -1 or you would have missed it!

  50. Saw sign, didn't realize it was actually C64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On 4 July, I exited I-71/75N at Exit 186 and was a bit disgusted to see their sign, as I figured that it had nothing to do with Commodore 64 computers and that someone had ripped off the old logo. I must say that I'm quite relieved to see that I wasn't only wrong, but that there still exists some semblance of a C64 community- and in Greater Cincinnati. Good work, guys.

  51. Warning: Do Not View While Consuming Beverages by ewhac · · Score: 1
    Press Play On Tape's cover of Comic Bakery.

    Schwab

  52. Re:Eh by Phybertekie · · Score: 0

    Yesss and I can't wait to play WOW on my Vic 20. See whats old becomes new again

  53. Re: Screen Changes by andrewa · · Score: 1

    26 poke 646,1

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  54. The first? Really? by Flack405 · · Score: 1

    It's always a fun morning when you discover an interesting news story by being Slashdotted. I am hosting the ECCC picture that was linked to earlier in this thread. Like others, I question the definition of "LAN party." I pictures I took were at the Emergency Chicagoland Commodore Convention of 2006 while I was there promoting my new (at the time) book Commodork, and there were definitely LAN connections running to and from some of the sixty-fours there. As for letting go of this old hardware ... why? There are so many new neat gadgets coming out for the old beige box that it's hard not to remain interested in them. The new wave of drives using SD cards, including the 1541-III and the 1541 Ultimate, are expanding the machine's abilities and convenience even further.