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Sci-Fi Books For Pre-Teens?

o2binbuzios writes "I have two pre-teen boys who are avid readers, and I am going through my mental catalog for great sci-fi & fantasy books for them. What are some of the classics (and maybe new additions to the classics) that would be great for them to read? I am asking because some of the 'straight-up' classics I remember actually seem kind of dark & cynical for younger readers. Starship Troopers and some of the other Heinlein are definitely darker and more political than I remember... Foundation Trilogy and psycho-history maybe too dry. Road-trip reading season is upon us — what are the good reads for the kids in the back seat?"

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  1. Try these by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd suggest you try Anne McCaffrery's "Decision at Doona" and James Blish's "Welcome to Mars."

    Both are great SF, both are aimed at younger readers, both are upbeat and greatly enjoyable to read.

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    1. Re:Try these by TheRedSeven · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones, but they are generally dragon & space oriented. Pretty good reads, and there's quite a few in the series.

      Orson Scott Card has Ender's Game (and several more in that series). These are definately classic.

      A Wrinkle in Time by Madeline L'Engle, and the follow-ups are all very well written, though some of the deeper themes might be a bit above your kids depending on how sharp they are.

      CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is excellent, though it gets pretty violent, and might be a bit advanced for pre-teens.

      Terry Pratchett's books are funny, but they tend to spoof the politics and happenings of the US and the UK, so your kids might not grasp all the jokes. Much better would be Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and the (increasingly misnamed) Hitchhiker's Trilogy (there are five books there).

      If you like, you might even start them on JRR Tolkien, which is more fantasy than sci-fi, but definitely a classic. You also have the advantage of the movies once they're done with the books. (Books are better though.)

      Those are my picks, and that should be enough reading for at least this summer, if not longer. You can also walk into your local Borders and ask someone. There's tons of great kids books in Sci-Fi...

    2. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ender's Game has some elements which some pre-teens may find disturbing (animal torture) and the sequel has some graphic elements involving planting a tree. Plus, the message is a bit advanced for a pre-teen. I'm not sure most pre-teens would really grasp it.

    3. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd add Larry Niven's Ringworld series.

    4. Re:Try these by Clockwork+Apple · · Score: 2, Informative

      Addams and Tolkien Great choices.

      But since the topic is scifi"&"fantasy I suggest the Christopher Stacheff Books in the Warlock series. It's about a space "secret agent" who is sent to a world where magic appears to be a real phenomenon. Witches, shapeshifters, robots and rayguns. Its great stuff.

      http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/christopher-stasheff/

      C.

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    5. Re:Try these by Famanoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anne McCaffrey is definitely on the top list, along with David Eddings.

    6. Re:Try these by herdingcats · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i can still tell you the exact time and place i picked up my first sci-fi read.

      i was thirteen, in junior high school, and it was Heinlein's "The Star Beast". that was decades ago.

      been hooked ever since. don't always have time for it, but always come back to it.

      don't live in the parent's basement or fit any other definitions of hardcore nerd- or geek-dom, but picking up that first sci-fi book (and i subsequently read _all_ of heinlein, hebert, asimov, campbell, pournelle, niven and the rest) definitely started me on a path to looking at the world with different eyes.

      the guys that write sci-fi (especially in the "golden age") are/were genuine pioneers of thought. fuck disney; they're the _real_ imagineers.

      i can't recommend more highly turning your kids on to a "thinking out of the box" genre like sci-fi.

      as to which first? don't know; times change, but you see where i started, for better or worse.

      hell, i'm just glad someone wants their kids to actually read.

    7. Re:Try these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a nice list of science-fiction stories on this LiveJournal blog.

    8. Re:Try these by GryMor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heinlein's juveniles aren't dark.

      Niven's stuff may work, depending on your definition of dark.

      I can't think of any of Frank Herbert's work that isn't dark (or at least twisted) though the Jorj X McKie ones may just be a bit odd (I Arthur C Clark's work? Certainly some classics, although, a bit slow in places.

      And a random smattering of alternate suggestions:
      Greg Bear
      Peter F Hamilton
      David Weber
      Louis McMaster Bujold
      David Brin

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    9. Re:Try these by Famanoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, your taste doesn't match mine! What a thought!

    10. Re:Try these by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Terry Pratchett's books are funny, but they tend to spoof the politics and happenings of the US and the UK, so your kids might not grasp all the jokes.

      You're just thinking of the Discworld, which isn't even Sci-Fi. Then there's the Diggers and the Johnny Maxwell trilogy, both of which are actually Sci-Fi series written for children. Kids should be able to get those jokes. They have lessons in them, too. It's a complete package. Pratchett also happens to be an amazing writer. His command of language, plotlines, and character development are a wonder to behold. People have written doctorate theses examining the art that is Terry Pratchett's work. So he's definitely a good choice.

      Anne McCaffery has some good ones

      You're reading them as an adult, and you're glossing over things. Her novels are definitely PG-13, or possible R rated. She makes sex and death an everyday part of her novels, and not the Judy Bloom way. Characters are mating with/killing other characters, and she's describing how it makes them feel, which makes it much more real than seeing random redshirt die in Star Trek, or Kirk sleep with the green chick.

      CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is excellent, though it gets pretty violent, and might be a bit advanced for pre-teens.

      Definitely. The language is too complex for most. It's also highly Christian. As in, the protagonist is a Christian fighting the forces of Satan with the aid of angels. And this isn't all symbolic/easy to overlook like it is with the Chronicles of Narnia. So if you're hostile to Christianity, don't have them read it. If, however, you're not, it's a really good read. One of the first sci-fi novels written where you actually end up getting to know what the characters are *feeling*.

      Which is a problem with the early works of the genre as a whole (i.e., pre-1960 or so). Start with people who actually write well to get them hooked on reading. Sadly, quite a few of the classics - Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Wells - are terrible writers. They have excellent ideas from the broad "wouldn't this make a good story?" sense, but their command of language, plot development, and characters aren't as vivid as many of their counterparts of the times they wrote. That was just the way that sci-fi was. Most important of these is the characters. The timid reader has to become attached to them early on in the story so that he'll keep reading.

      Later, once they're voracious readers, they can take on the guys who have great ideas but don't write well. They won't need to constantly be fed the writing equivalent of high definition to want to "view" it.

      And for that reason, I definitely like the parent. These writers he has chosen are really good at writing to grab the readers and hold their attention.

      Bearing that in mind, I have two more authors to add:

      David Eddings - he's known for his endearing characters. Unfortunately, I don't think he's ever strayed from writing fantasy. The important poitn is that you can basically start with "you liked Harry Potter? Why don't you read this..." IMHO, going from Harry Potter books to David Eddings is a fairly natural progression. Once you've absorbed those, you're pretty well prepared to move into heavier stuff.

      Alan Dean Foster - writes, among other things, the "Pip and Flinx" novels. While he's not the greatest writer in the world, Flinx is a young boy at the start, and very well developed as a character. Young readers will identify with the feelings and attitudes that Flinx goes through as he transitions into someone remarkable.

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    11. Re:Try these by DataPath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why not Douglas Adams' novels? I read those when I was 10 - pretty^H^H^H^H^H^H^H mostly harmless

      There. Fixed it for you.

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    12. Re:Try these by willib · · Score: 4, Informative

      H Beam Piper The Fuzzy series are great books Most can be found on the gutenburg project

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    13. Re:Try these by PakProtector · · Score: 2, Funny

      All sex scenes are poorly written by definition.

      Of course, I'm taking this on faith, as you will have to, since, the two of us being slashdotters, have never had sex with anyone.

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    14. Re:Try these by miskate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Terry Pratchett's work spoofs politics in general - corruption, bureaucracy, the foibles of human beings in general, power, corporations, monarchy, religion, racism, crime, insurance, technology, death ... I think they're a great way to get young people thinking about the broader issues of the world.

      You really don't have to know what (if any) specific events are being referred to to get the jokes. That said (and here's a nod to the person who mentioned the Maskerade/Phantom of the Opera connection) I think I enjoyed the first two Granny Weatherwax books all the more for recognising them as Macbeth and A Midsummer Nights Dream (and yes, obviously the third one is Cinderella).

    15. Re:Try these by iocat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      All the books by British author John Christopher are really great. The Tripod series, and the Burning Lands series are both post-post-apolyptic and blew my mind when I read then around age 12 or 13. Nerds of a certain age may remember that the Tripod series was serialized in comic form in Boys Life for years in the 1980s.

      The burning lands series has some great elements of questions about science and technology whether or not its use is ultimately good or evil -- good food for thought for youngersters raised in the Internet age, and also is sex-scene free.

      Additionally, if you read some books you now think are too old for your kids, maybe you should consider that those books were too old for YOU, and you turned out fine! I cringe when my son reads MAD, but it was probably just as nihlistic and subversive in the 1970s as it is today.

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    16. Re:Try these by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though I would argue that dark isn't bad.
      Kids thrive on dark; fairytales, ghost stories... though maybe I wouldn't give them Martin. Especially if they tend to bond with characters they grow to like.

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    17. Re:Try these by callmetheraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, Pak Protector! How about the book Protector? (Larry Niven, of course, for those who didn't know.) Other good books by Niven: (besides Ringworld) Tales of Known Space, Neutron Star, World of Ptavvs.

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    18. Re:Try these by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Though I would argue that dark isn't bad."

      So true. And I'm not so sure that the OP's original statement about Starship Troopers being "political" is on the money either. Or rather, it is, but getting kids to think about those kinds of things is important. As is introducing them to concepts like duty and honor and responsibility.

      Add a firm dash of irreverence and the importance of questioning authority, and they'll be good to go.

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    19. Re:Try these by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

      Tolkien? She was asking for great works, dude... and great writing, Tolkien's books definitely aren't. Boring, flat and uninspired are rather more fitting terms to describe the Lord of the Rings. Even most badly written Harry Potter fanfictions offer more suspense and character development than this.

      Why in the world do people always mention LotR? I don't get it. A classic it may be, a lot of great inspirations it may hold, but good writing clearly is different.

    20. Re:Try these by GeffDE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Animal torture is disturbing; I would hope that the OP's kids find it disturbing. There are a lot of disturbing things in the world, and so in order to maintain sanity, one has to learn how to deal with unpleasant things that come up in daily existence. I would argue that reading about disturbing things before having to actually experience them is beneficial because it forces the reader to confront and deal with disturbing images/ideas/etc., but while the reader is in a safe place.

      I also think that underestimating kids is deleterious to their existence; if you aren't sure they would grasp it, have them read it and talk about it. Even if they still don't grasp it totally now, when they reread it, they will grasp it and marvel about how their perception of the book has changed.

      O2binbuzios: So in the same vein, I think you should suggest to your kids the same books you read when you were their age. If you, like me, read Starship Troopers at their age, suggest it to them. The reason you don't remember it being as dark and as political is because you didn't recognize the dark and political parts when you read it as a child; your kids probably won't either.

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    21. Re:Try these by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Definitely. The language is too complex for most. It's also highly Christian. As in, the protagonist is a Christian fighting the forces of Satan with the aid of angels.

      Nothing wrong with reading CS Lewis provided you go on to read Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials for balance (protagonist fighting the forces of God and the church with the aid of witches and fallen angels...)

      PS: Beware - do not place His Dark Materials on the shelf next to Narnia or the Space trilogy - they will annihilate each other in a burst of dark matter.

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    22. Re:Try these by DarkSarin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually there is a LOT of truth to this.

      As an aspiring writer, and someone who tends to read a lot about writing, and reads a LOT (the last of which hardly makes me unique in this crowd, but there you go), lets just say that sex scenes are, by definition poorly written, and the MORE graphic they are, the poorer the writing. They may function perfectly for providing pornographic imagery but as literature they stink. I find that if an author wants to include a sex scene, the BEST ones are those that are minimalistic, initiate the romance, and leave it alone. Let the reader imagine the details, if they so choose.

      There are a number of reasons for this. First is that this means that there is less question of age-appropriateness (and yes you can still handle the same themes of love, compassion, romance, etc within a work while remaining very minimalistic in this regard). Second, ALL sex-scenes can a break from the book. If they are sufficiently erotic that they actually elicit a reaction from the reader, then they may actually be jolted from the story (this is bad). Third, sex scenes don't generally advance the story. In most cases the actual description of the sex is inconsequential to the story, and is therefore filler. This is bad in many ways. On the other hand in the rare cases in which the actual sex scene is crucial to the story, I have no problems with its inclusion, but that is an exceptionally rare situation, and almost always a contrivance.

      With all that said, as a writer, sometimes a scenario just suggests itself as necessary, and you have to include it. In these cases, I have no problems with it.

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  2. Enders Game by jhittner · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ender's Game or just about anything from Orson Scott Card

    1. Re:Enders Game by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He wanted stuff that is not "dark and cynical". That pretty much rules out _Enders Game_.

    2. Re:Enders Game by Robert1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wouldn't say ANYTHING by him. Ender's Game is obvious, but his early sequels to it were too preachy, dull, and moved away from a preteen protagonist. His later sequels/retellings?, however, are great - the Ender's Shadow series.

    3. Re:Enders Game by Broken+scope · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except in the universe presented there had been concerted effort to make smarter and smarter children who would be intelligent at younger and younger ages.

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    4. Re:Enders Game by Verteiron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel". I first read that when I was nine, and it was the first "real" sci-fi I read (L'Engle's stuff doesn't really count as sci-fi). It's not dark, it's not cynical, it's nicely anti-authoritarian and tons of fun. After that I read Dune. Quite a shift.

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    5. Re:Enders Game by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Kids keep getting smarter.

      No they don't. They just push them harder.

      When I was 4 years old, preschool consisted of fingerpainting and coloring, maybe a little bit of ABC and number recognition. My recently-5-year-old finished preschool in May, during which she learned to recognize and write over 2 dozen words (colors, numbers, shapes) as well as basic addition and subtraction.

      None of that is surprising. You were not pushed as quickly. 5 years old is about where kids learn to read. That can be pushed back up to about a year for most kids, but no amount of anything is going to result in a 2 year old that can read. Kids aren't changing.

      In the near-distant future (200 years? 300 years?) how much further along will kids be? Algebra in primary school?

      Kids already learn algebra in private primary schools. Again, you can shift the age a little with aggressive teaching regimens, but we'll never see 7 year olds learning advanced combat tactics.

      Don't sell kids short. Unless you have kids of your own, you really don't have enough material with which to reference an evaluation.

      Now you're just being silly. Even if I didn't have any children (I have one), that wouldn't disqualify me to speak on the subject of juvenile education.

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  3. Jules Verne by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I was a kid, I had a lot of fun time reading Journey to the Center of the Earth, from the Earth to the Moon, etc.

    1. Re:Jules Verne by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      agreed!

      I'm less than a month past my 24th birthday and have just started getting into Jules Verne. He's not just for kids - its great literature and you can learn a lot. Verne was waaaay ahead of his time with some of the things he discusses.

      For instance, he proposes hydrogen fuel cells (using electricity to separate the hydrogen and the oxygen) as an alternative to coal (which he predicts to run out in 250-300 years) in "The Mysterious Island," which is sort of the sequel to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

    2. Re:Jules Verne by SputnikPanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At first I was going to suggest The Martian Chronicles, Fahrenheit 451, and the Foundation series -- you know, the classics. Then I got to thinking a bit and the sad thing is that I'm not sure the kids today would appreciate those works as much as we did when we were their age. If they were to read those when they're slightly older or maybe even as adults, then maybe they might appreciate them more. But now? Probably not so much. I mean, we're talking about a generation that's grown up on a style of television and film different from that that we grew up with. Today, a camera angle rarely holds for more than 10 seconds before it cuts to another angle.

      All this to say that I think your recommendation of the Verne novels is pretty spot on. There's more plot and more stuff happens in those Verne novels -- which are indeed great -- than in the works of Bradbury and Asimov which tend to be more contemplative and intellectual.

    3. Re:Jules Verne by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, are you kidding about the Martian Chronicles? Those are EXACTLY the kind of fluffy, fast-paced things that a 12 year old would like. Really, how many pages does John Carter go WITHOUT cutting somebody's head off? Each book is only about 150 pages, of which 100 are devoted to merciless slaughter, in great detail. I mean, if film had been around when Burroughs was writing, he would have invented the "bullet time" matrix effect for his stories--it's the way they're told.

      Wrong Martian Chronicles. Bradbury's work was philosophical, allegorical, and in many ways surreal, and while I don't have trouble reading it I've found that even as an adult (with some graduate training in literary theory) it takes some effort to appreciate the nuances. Not a work for kids, though I think his Fahrenheit 451 should be required reading for someone who's just finding out about real literature.

    4. Re:Jules Verne by GradiusCVK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, you keep shoveling horse manure at your kids and they will grow up with a taste for horse manure. Why are you all so quick to discount your kids? Do you honestly consider them to be "not good enough" to enjoy tasteful books? How about not trying to lower the level of entertainment to what you perceive as their standards, but elevate it to what is likely well within their reach. As a young child I had a major hardon for "contemplative and intellectual" books, and I'm only 23 now, and not an outlier for my generation. Due to your own pre-screening of their entertainment, your children will grow up to be exactly as superficial and attention-deficient as you expect them to be.

    5. Re:Jules Verne by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't lower your expectations of your kids; they might surprise you....

      You could do what we did. A very prominent wall in our living room is solid-packed bookshelf of several hundred fantasy and SF novels. I told each of our daughters that they were absolutely forbidden to read any of them.

      Naturally, they were soon sneaking novels off the shelf and reading them in their room, and I suspect they've gone through at least 3/4 of the library by now.

      There was absolutely no filtering other than that it reflects our taste in the genera. They're both Straight-A students (one in university now) and their conversation is consistently astute and challenging and full of fresh ideas, and they're both full of smiles and bounce. Mind you this could also because they told us to pull the plug on free-to-air/cable TV several years ago, so that source of brain Lanacaine was removed.

      So to follow the thread, we have the full Pratchett at eye level, Asimov at the top left and Zelazny at the bottom right. The Heinlein juveniles were popular as were the Eddings Belgariad/Malloreon series.

      Let 'em read it all; good minds will do the filtering themselves, and do a better job of it than second hand criticism.

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  4. Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by drdanny_orig · · Score: 4, Informative

    Always at the top of my list. It's one of those books that when you finish, you think "how the hell did he fit all that in so few pages?" I can't remember if there's any sax or violins, but that's good for kids too.

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    1. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Ugmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love almost all of Larry Niven's books but World Out of Time may not be good for pre-teen boys. Part of the plot is that most of humanity is wiped out. The remainder is look like pre-teen boys but are actually immortal. So far so good. These boys do maintain a breeding population that consists mostly of women with the minimal number of men to keep them pregnant. There is at least 1 orgy scene and some other sex scenes. Minimal violence though. So if you don't mind your 10 year olds reading about orgies, go for it.

    2. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of the pervy stuff I totally didn't remember.

      And this pretty much sums up why people worry too much about this stuff.

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    3. Re:Larry Niven: A World Out of Time by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is going to go into the borders of TMI territory, but I have to admit to being turned on by events that I found even in Piers Anthony's Xanth books as a teenage boy - when let's face it, anything will accomplish that. It does not seem to have unduly warped me, however; for example, I do not believe Piers Anthony to be a competent author now that I am an adult.

      Long story short, kids will actually seek that stuff out once they know it exists; but they have a short attention span and low burnout factor. Or put another way, kids out there are so fucking jaded these days they're bored with porn. You didn't think Net Nanny was effective, did you?

      Slightly more on topic to the question, I would very much suggest Niven; I was aiming for the Smoke Ring books. I'm sure this has been suggested up and down, but Orson Scott Card does a very good job of putting children in adult situations, which I know really got me interested in the ethical questions when I was that age. But I do want to stress that I read basically every piece of science fiction I could get my hands on as a teenager, and today I only have forty or fifty gigabytes of pornography. :D

      I just thought of another must-read, C.J. Cherryh's Chanur series. As a teenager, I really loved all of her sci-fi.

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  5. Terry Pratchett by rminsk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost anything by Terry Pratchett.

  6. Modesitt by YoungHack · · Score: 3, Informative

    I like the Recluse series by L. E. Modesitt. I read those books over and over.

  7. Ender's Game by MattW · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ender's Game, of course.

    1. Re:Ender's Game by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would add to this that kids are much more likely to enjoy the Ender's Shadow line of sequels that focus on Bean rather than the actual Ender sequels like Speaker of the Dead. Hell, I couldn't even get through that whole series - Xenocide was bad enough, I still haven't bothered to pick up Children of the Mind. The Ender's Shadow series, on the other hand, keeps a lot of the pacing and feel of the first book instead of plodding into endless philosophical discussion.

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  8. Baroom Series by Edgar Rice Burroughs by gral · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He is the same guy that wrote Tarzan. There are several on http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/b#a48 They are a little light on the Science part on occasion, but they were written in 1914.

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  9. "Invitation to the Game" (M. Hughes) by PlatyPaul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in six grade, we read "Invitation to the Game" by Monica Hughes, and I've been hooked on scifi ever since.

    Brief plot synopsis: unemployment is skyrocketing due to mass mechanization of society, although the unemployed are well taken-care-of due to the same efficient use of resources. It can be dull to be unemployed, at least until you get an invitation on your doorstep mentioning a secret game with a very exclusive list of players.

    Mystery/adventure/scifi, very highly rated, but do not read the Amazon editorials (thar be spoilers afoot).

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  10. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those are good. Along those lines, if the readers in question can put up with a style like Verne's (in the sense that it isn't a modern style) they might enjoy E.E. Doc Smith's Skylark and Lensman series; those were very cool to read. The styles can be a show-stopper for some, though. Personally, I just re-read the Skylarks and they were great.

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  11. Alfred Bester by Syrente · · Score: 2, Informative

    I found Alfred Bester's works to be timeless classics. Especially "The Stars My Destination."

    1. Re:Alfred Bester by yuna49 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow, another Bester/"Stars" fan? I thought I was among the five people left in the world who loved this story. I was about 12-13 at the time I read it for the first of perhaps half-a-dozen times. Now that you've reminded me about it, I'll have to read it again. It's in my now almost fifty-year-old copy of A Treasury of Great Science Fiction edited by Anthony Boucher which I just found on the bookshelf.

      I like many of the Heinlein novels from his early period, particularly the ones that were political in nature. His depiction of an America with politics based on fundamentalist Protestantism seems remarkably prescient since the Reagan years. Once sexuality appears on your childrens' horizons, it might be time to read Stranger in a Strange Land.

      I was a pretty devout Catholic as a child and remember the impression Arthur C. Clarke's short story "The Star" made. Like the protagonist in the story, it may have marked the beginning of doubt.

      Another author that I loved in my youth was "Andre" Norton, the pen name of Alice Mary Norton. When she started writing SF and fantasy, women were so rare in the profession that she took a man's first name to get published. Looking at her bibliography, I recall reading a number of books that she wrote in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

      Finally if your children like fantasy, I strongly recommend Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea Trilogy, another series intended for young readers but with great appeal to adults as well. Le Guin was the daughter of the famous American anthropologist Alfred Kroeber, an influence that's obvious in many of her best works like The Dispossessed.

    2. Re:Alfred Bester by McNally · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, another Bester/"Stars" fan? I thought I was among the five people left in the world who loved this story.

      Not at all. It's just that most people who love it know it as "The Count of Monte Cristo."

      Actually, if I had a kid who was into science fiction I'd love to give them "The Stars My Destination" (which I agree is a terrifically entertaining read and a great story in its own right even if Bester did cop the basic plot from Dumas) and then *after* they'd read it rent a movie production of "The Count of Monte Cristo" to see if they recognized it as the same story. I know it took me a surprisingly long time to work that out..

    3. Re:Alfred Bester by estarriol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Count me as another huge fan of Earthsea and The Stars My Destination - 33 now and I just reread Stars a couple of weeks ago (in one sitting) and will reread Earthsea soon. I also enjoyed Tombs of Atuan best - I constantly wonder that this book isn't recognised more and consider it to be perfect. That Harry Potter gets so much attention when wonders like A Wizard of Earthsea exist is a source of regular irritation to me.

  12. Heinlein juveniles by opencity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Citizen of the Galaxy, Farmer in the Sky, Have Space Suit will Travel, Starman Jones - all by Heinlein. These are his juveniles and are all good stories, drama and action along with some moralizing about studying hard etc ... I read them as a kid and was hooked. The Larry Niven short stories.

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    1. Re:Heinlein juveniles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget Heinlein's Red Planet.

    2. Re:Heinlein juveniles by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree with the Heinlein books that are written for children (his adult science fiction is way beyond pre-teens). Asimov has some good ones that might work. Janet Asimov's (written with Isaac) Norby Chronicles are also fun books. John Christopher's Tripod books are good too (The Sword of the Spirits is good as well but is more fantasy than sci-fi).

      Ender's Game, as many have said is great too but much of it other than the action will be lost on youngish kids.

      There are also some great newer books (the following are mainly fantasy) for kids (Bartimaeus Trilogy, Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Harry Potter (they've probably read them though), etc.). There are many more but I can't think of them right now.

  13. Bradbury -- yes. Heinlein -- yes. by gunnk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both Bradbury and Heinlein are wonderful. I loved The Martian Chronicles in Junior High.

    On the Heinlein side, check out his youth fiction rather than his more political stuff. He wrote a bunch of novels targeted directly at youth.

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  14. Re:Anne McCaffrey by turtledawn · · Score: 2, Informative

    In particular, McCaffrey's Dragonsdawn even has a little bit of science in it! A smattering of biomed, genetic engineering, some light AI, space navigation and terminology (this is where I discovered Oort clouds), a tiny bit of geology and botany. It's fun, and the psionics comes in late enough that you can ignore it if you want.

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  15. Everything by Saxerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My advice would be, don't hold back. I had a voracious appetite for books as a teenager which crossed many demographics and genres. But the most memorable to me are the ones with more of an adult edge that really made me think. Personally, I think we spend too much time holding children back and looking to make their lives better than our own. Not every novel I've read was a classic, but there are very few I would say I didn't at least enjoy. Let them read everything you can get your hands on that looks interesting.

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  16. MYTH Adventures series by GuanoTO · · Score: 2

    Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures books, the first 3 are: Another Fine Myth Myth Conceptions Myth Directions Quite funny, lots of pun names and general hilarity. Terry Pratchett's Disk World novels are also very funny, with lots of "play on word"s to keep a young mind on its toes (so to speak)...

  17. Van Vogt, Russell by shoor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mostly bring up old-timers because they're the ones I read when I was young. Asimov's Robot novels like "Caves Of Steel" might be more appealing than the Foundation stuff. Heinlein wrote a lot of juveniles. I've read that "Starship Troopers" was supposed to be a juvenile but it was deemed to rough by the editors and re-marketed as adult. However, "Double Star" is a good juvenile by Heinlein.

    In the old days, Sci-Fi was mostly short stories, go find good anthologies! The Science Fiction Hall Of Fame anthology of the best science fiction stories is a good place to start.

    Other recommendations would be "Voyage Of The Space Beagle" by Van Vogt, "Wasp" by Eric Frank Russell.

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  18. Ursula Le Guin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    other suggestions:

    Diana Wynne Jones: Howl's Moving Castle
    William Sleator : Interstellar Pig, Singularity, House of Stairs.
    Joan Vinge: Psion (Cat trilogy), etc.

  19. Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No doubt Slashdot is full of Harry Potter haters. I was one, too, until I actually read the entire series last month. It's still not exactly my cuppa, but it's an incredibly well-crafted work of fantasy fiction for young adults. The first couple of books are pure wish-fulfillment, which will appeal to any pre-teen. The books are too long for young readers to make it through all of them back to back, though, so by the time they get around to the later volumes, they will be just the right age to appreciate the darker aspects and more complex themes of the series's conclusion.

    Unfortunately, most kids will probably just watch the movies.

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    1. Re:Harry Potter, of course by russellh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I read the entire Harry Potter series to my seven year-old daughter. She *loved* it, and even though we've seen the first few movies, she likes the books much, much better. So much more detail in them, much more involving.

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    2. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      JK lies though... she didn't plan it all from start to finish, otherwise every book wouldn't introduce something completely new and unheard of before.

      Sure it would! That was one of the things that kept the series interesting for me. After the first two I began to detect a pattern: sorting hat, first day of class, Christmas, birthdays ... every year was starting to seem the same. Only then she started throwing us curve balls.

      Besides, she never said she had the whole thing plotted out on paper, the way George Lucas claimed to. I think she said she had the last chapter of "Deathly Hallows" completed somewhere during the writing of "Order of the Phoenix." But that's just the absolute end of the story, though -- I've read interviews where she claims to have purposely left lots of interesting details to "reveal themselves" as she went along. Otherwise, she said, it would just be too dull to write the damn things if she knew absolutely everything in advance. She was often pretty distraught to have to kill off certain characters, too, but said that's just the way the story seemed to be heading.

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    3. Re:Harry Potter, of course by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      by the end she is not telling a story she is recording the lives of the main characters.

      Actually, I think that's her major innovation. So much fantasy fiction relies on generic stereotypes and faux-operatic melodrama. By contrast, Rowling's old, white-haired, bearded wizard is not Gandalf. Her protagonists aren't hobbits and they aren't the long-lost kings of an ancient race and they aren't kids at their magical old uncle's house; they're 21st century British schoolkids. The people they meet are ordinary folks in an extraordinary setting. They have feelings -- not all of which are worthy of fantasy heroes -- and family, and jobs. (Goblins! Actual goblins! And what do they do? They're clerks at a bank.) The lives of her characters are pointedly not the stuff of legend; rather, most aspects are quite ordinary.

      Rowling is sly about it, so that you don't realize it at first, but the main thrust of her narrative is that these ordinary kids manage to enter a world of magic and mystery -- and in many aspects it's no different from our world. At first it seems like they're the luckiest kids in the world, but in reality, things are still hard for them. They still have problems to overcome, the respect of their elders to earn, friends to win, their first loves to deal with.

      In other words, the whole point of the books is chronicling the lives of the main characters. You, who have probably read too much stock fantasy fiction, just didn't get it. I bet young kids all get it, though.

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  20. HHGTTG and Ender's Game by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a good, easy read, and is what actually got me started reading Sci-Fi.
    Ender's Game is excellent, and while a little dark in places, it's no darker than most classic fairy tales.

    Also, if you're at all interested in getting them some fantasy books, two of the absolute best reads would have to be Clive Barker's The Thief of Always, and China Mieville's Un Lun Dun.

  21. Re:I think Heinlein would be ok by maxume · · Score: 3, Informative

    In "Time Enough for Love" (by Heinlein), the protagonist has sex with both his mother (there is time travel) and with his X-duplicated, female clone. Lots of his stuff would be fine, but not really all of it.

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  22. Here's some that got me started, decades back. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's some that got me started, back in the late 50s. They are all quite accessible to a young reader:

    Eric Frank Russel's _Wasp_ (Also good: _The Space Willies_ A.K.A. _Next of Kin_)
    Murray Leinster's Med Ship series.
    Hal Clemmet's _Needle_ (A.K.A _From Outer Space_)
    Heinlein's _Red Planet_
    George O. Smith's _Space Plague_ (A.K.A. _Highways in Hiding_) and _Venus Equilateral_ (though the latter is quite dated, using vacuum tube technology.)

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  23. Foundation by mrsam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Foundation" is not "too dry". The best thing you can do for your kids is to give them reading material -- sci-fi or any other genre -- that challenges their mind, and makes them think.

    Before Foundation, though, get them started on three Robot novels, then the seven Foundation books. After they're done with Asimov, give them the three Lord Of The Rings books. I read all three LOTR in my early teens, in high school. They weren't "too dry", in the least. I loved them. I had no problems with it, and English isn't even my native language.

    Don't be afraid to challenge your kids. Challenging reading material is very good brain food. Other suggestions:

    * The first three Mars books, by Edgar Rice Burrows. Some of that (mostly the first book) is a bit dated, and a bit bizarre (everyone on Mars walks around naked, and Martian women lay eggs). But, once you get passed the weird stuff, it's great pulp.

    * War of the Worlds, by HG Wells

    * A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's court, by Mark Twain. Yes, it's sci-fi/fantasy.

    That should be enough to last until next year. Come back then for more stuff to suggest.

  24. give 'em all of it by BootNinja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ringworld, Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, The Hobbit, LOTR, Harry Potter, Odd Thomas, Dragonlance (the stuff written by Weiss and Hickman, not the 3rd party crap), Star Trek novels, Sword of Truth, A Game of Thrones, Neuromancer is pretty edgy, but a great read. My younger brothers absolutely loved a series called Animorphs. When I was about 12 I really enjoyed Swiss Family Robinson. Maybe throw in some classics like Frankenstein and Dracula. H.G. Wells Time Machine, Gulliver's Travels, Around the World in 80 days, Dune

    I would also second the suggestions of Card's early work. Ender's Game, Songmaster, The Shadow Series, The first few Alvin Maker books are good. I would definitely get them to read Pastwatch: the Redemption of Christopher Columbus.

    You also can't go wrong with comics. There's a lot of really good stuff in trade paperback these days. You can introduce them to Marvel's Ultimate lines; Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, etc. These series start over and reboot the universe. They will be more compelling for young readers because there isn't 40 years of continuity to sift through.

    I would also suggest giving them books that you enjoyed as a child, or even an adult. Just because something is edgy or political doesn't make it automagically inappropriate for a child. You can tell them to come to you with any questions, and you will end up raising a kid who's wise beyond his years, and that will serve the kid well as he gets older.

    1. Re:give 'em all of it by SpiritGod21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was practically raised by the DragonLance Saga (definitely Weis and Hickman, though don't avoid Knack's The Legend of Huma), which taught me a lot of my morals. Good guys wear silver armour, bad guys wear black. Honour and chilvary are paramount. Tears that honour life are OK, and we must never give up hope.

      I think I cracked my first DragonLance novel around the age of eight or nine. Definitely grade A fantasy for the younglings.

      As others have mentioned, McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern novels are all great, and Mercedes Lackey has a wide range of novels (The Free Bards is a good one for younger readers). I also recommend my wife's favourite, Diana Wynne Jones and the various Chrestomanci books. She read them as a child and we still read them. Diane Duane's Support Your Local Wizard is another great young adult fantasy novel.

      Rather than go on, feel free to check out the books in our library tagged as young adult and fantasy.

    2. Re:give 'em all of it by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Informative

      Snowcrash, Cryptonomicon, Sword of Truth and A Game of Thrones are all pretty poor suggestions for preteens.

      Snowcrash has a lot about cult prostitution, drug-use, and the odd bit of underage sex. Sword of Truth has bondage, sado-masochism, rape, and eating a child's testicles for magical power. A Game of Thrones includes rape, incest and prostitution. Cryptonomicon doesn't have anything really objectionable, but it's incredibly dense, and lacking in any sort of action that might interest preteens. Really, unless the kid is some sort of savant, they're probably not that interested in cryptography algorithms at 11.

      Don't get me wrong, I love A Song of Ice and Fire, and Snowcrash (and even Sword of Truth wasn't too bad for the first few books), but this is a thread about recommendations for kids, not listing your favourite sci-fi/fantasy novels.

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  25. Darkover! by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Informative
    One of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series, Star of Danger, is pitched at younger readers...and it could lead them into reading the whole series when they get a bit older. Couldn't put those books down.

    rj

  26. A few very basic suggestions by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not a huge sci-fi reader, but also never really found what I read to be all that difficult.

    'Dune' is a great place to start out. I was never able to get through the sequals, but the original is a classic. Possibly a bit advanced and cynical, but definitely on the 'required reading' list. The Sci-Fi channel miniseries is also excellent.

    Another obvious recommendation is The Hitchhikers Guide series. They're easy, they're funny, and unfortunately not strictly sci-fi. Either way, I'd have a hard time thinking of reasons not to read something by Douglas Adams.

    On the fantasy end of things (more my tastes, and still closely related to SF), I'd strongly recommend His Dark Materials, LoTR (if you can manage to get through the first 250 pages), and anything by Terry Pratchett.

    If your sons have any interest in The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, I'd highly recommend starting early, as the average lifespan of the typical human is only just barely long enough to cram them all in (I jest, but seriously.... if you follow the user-submitted reviews of the books on Amazon, the readers get fewer and angrier as the series goes on with seemingly no end in sight).

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    1. Re:A few very basic suggestions by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My dad introduced me to science fiction by bringing home a "kid's" novel one day. I couldn't have been much older than eight or nine. I tore through it as quickly as I could, sneaking a flashlight under the covers to finish it. It was Tom Swift: The City in the Stars. As each new one came out, I'd spend my allowance on it (when I wasn't saving for a Lego set).

      I was hooked. I made it through the sixth book in the series before I tumbled to the fact that this wasn't the original series. At that point I became a regular at the library and checked out every Tom Swift book they had. That's how I learned about this "interloan" thing.

      I'd never been out of the kid's section before but I noticed that the library had this whole other back section that wasn't nonfiction, and wasn't kid's books. I walked back through it and to my amazement I discovered shelf after shelf full of fiction and a fair number of the books had the letters SF written in Sharpie on a label card on the spine. Magic!

      I decided to try out my first "Adult" science fiction novel and I thought robots were just the coolest thing (next to spaceships of course, but all decent science fiction had spaceships in it). Robots of Dawn had just arrived, and since the title sounded cool, I grabbed it from the returns rack. I became a lifelong fan of Isaac Asimov after the first chapter. I went back to the library and dug up as many books by him as I could find, not just his science fiction, but the Ellery Queen stories, his science books, as much as I could find in the library's catalog or through the interloan program.

      I began reading back issues of Astounding Science Fiction, Analog, Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine (IASFM!), and discovered other authors. Many of the story intros or commentaries in anthologies had mentioned this Dune novel, so I decided to check it out. I had to renew it because I couldn't read through it in three weeks (it was 1984, the same year the David Lynch movie was released... I was ten). It was a revelation.

      From there, Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Silverberg, Heinlein, Simak, Gordon R. Dickson, Phillip K. Dick, Sturgeon, Bradbury, Poul Anderson, Piers Anthony, Douglas Adams, C.J. Cherryh, Kim Stanley Robinson, Spider Robinson, Ursula K. Leguin, Joan D. Vinge, Vernor Vinge, and more, and more. But to understand all of these, I had to get their references, and so I began to dig into Dickens and Melville and Shakespeare. By the time I was in Junior High School, I was more widely read than just about any other kid in school.

      Don't sell your kids short thinking they're too young for Asimov. Granted, his writings are a gateway drug.

  27. Earthsea by Bob54321 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea novels + short stories are a fairly easy read. Also each is quite short. Can't remember anything in it that might not be suitable for younger children offhand.

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  28. Valentine's Castle by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    by Robert Silverberg. Gripping plot, accessible on several levels, no naughty words that I can recall.

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  29. For Kids Of All Ages by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pretty much all Hienlien's earlier stuff is what I call "boy scout" stories. I developed the term from his Sunjammer solar sail story that premiered in the boy scout magazine "Boys Life".

    And every kid of any age should read everything from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Besides 36 novels, he's written some books specific to younger readers (and won awards for same) and there's been both animated and live versions of some of the Discowrld books made. The Discowrld stories are much like the old Bugs Bunny cartoons -- well done for and received by kids, but some more esoteric pieces inserted specifically for those who can find them -- mostly for adults, sometimes for specialists (like the details of the "clacks" being there for techheads).

    Asimov's collections of short stories are good for kids and he puts in well explained details of the science involved. And if you can interest them in these, then you can give them his collections of science essays, which are equally entertaining but even more educational. By the time they catch on to the latter, they'll be more interested in learning more, and that's the best thing that can happen from all this.

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  31. Re: E.E. Doc Smith by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A problem with the Skylark and Lensman series is that they were written when eugenics was still popular in the US, before the NAZIs made such a graphic display of their dark-side implications. The good guys are good guys and the bad guys bad guys largely due to their genetics. The last book of the Lensman series shows that the police/military organization you've been following was actually a secret breeding program, run by behind-the-scenes aliens, to produce a human master race to rule the galaxy and wipe out their ancient enemies.

    Whenever I feel like trusting government officials I re-read the section of _The Grey Lensman_ where an "unattached lensman" (a supercop, with carte blanch to do whatever he pleases, no oversight, massive resources, and a gadget that lets him wiretap minds remotely) wipes out a nest of dope dealers by calling in the equivalent of a massive surprise nuclear carpet-bombing on the city they're in, to vaporize them all before they can get away.

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  32. Caves of Steel by kirblam · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Asimov robot trilogy is more accessible than the Foundation series.

  33. Recommended Reading List by GeorgeVW · · Score: 5, Informative

    My wife is the current librarian of the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society, and there's a Children's Recommended Reading List that the club has been keeping up for some time. There's a lot of stuff on there, and it should offer some guidance.

  34. Piers Anthony by KGIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Though his Xanth series is probably more widely known there are others to choose from. Terry Pratchett had some good stuff for kids as I recall though I think I only read one of them and it was about gnome type critters but good reading regardless.

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  35. Heinlein by mknewman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of Heinlein's early works (Tunnel in the Sky is my favorite) are pre-teen fodder. It's not till the 60's when he started getting into the more mature stuff. As a kid I whet my teeth on Tom Swift Jr., by Victor Appleton III. There were a bunch of earlier ones that were Tom Swift Sr. that I didn't find as interesting, Tom Swift and his Motorcycle, etc. There are a bunch of new generation ones also, Tom Swift and his IPod or whatever. Any good library's sci-fi section should do splendidly, especially at their schools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Swift By the way, I got my daughter to read Tunnel in the Sky and she loved it. She's now devouring Bradbury books after reading Farenheit 451 in school (8th grade).

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  37. Dune by Tykho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Dune is probably the first Sci Fi I read that's really memorable to me, although I'm not sure I would really recommend it to you. I was a huge fan of Star Wars novels when I was younger, especially the ones authored by Timothy Zahn.

  38. Little Fuzzy by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    H. Beam Piper.

    2-3 sequels..
    fuzzy sapiens...

    a great read- similar to heinline juveniles.

    hard to find-- worth the search....

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    1. Re:Little Fuzzy by Nimey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, another Piper fan. I also strongly recommend the Paratime stories and especially _Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen_.

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  39. So many....try Danny Dunn by gorehog · · Score: 3, Informative

    I loved sci-fi short stories as a kid.

    I, Robot by Isaac Asimov (get the book of short stories not the movie adaptation)

    The Wind From The Sun is a good collection of Arthur C. Clarke.

    If you can find 'em, the Danny Dunn series of books were great, always had hard core science. Kinda like the Hardy Boys, but with a sci-fi influence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Dunn

    Sherlock Holmes!

  40. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Paul+Carver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first time I read the Narnia books, I had no idea there were "Christian overtones." But I was young and just enjoying a quick fantasy.

    When I read the Narnia books when I was a kid I had no idea there were "Christian overtones.". When I read them again when I was 33 I still had no idea there were "Christian overtones."

    I think whatever overtones you're reading are more about what YOU put into what you're reading than what's written on the page.

    I know C.S Louis was considered by himself and others as a christian writer, but it's quite a stretch to think that the Narnia series are any more "christian" than most other fantasy novels.

    Unless you consider anything with good and evil epic battles and sacrifices to be "christian", but that seems like an awfully broad definition.

  41. Re:Piers Anthony by rodney+dill · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Xanth series really got my daughter hooked on reading. I'd read 10-12 of the series when I was in College (all that were available at that time) and she's blown through the 30+ books that are now part of the series.

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  42. Andre Norton by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Informative

    If ERB is the Stephen King of SF/F then Anre Norton was the Judy Blume. Like ERB, almost all of her 300 books are suitable for younger readers.

    It's been so long since I read her stuff, but don't ever remember being disappointed by any of her books.
    Some titles that come to mind:

    Quag Keep
    Zero Stone
    Android at Arms
    Ice Crown
    Merlin's Mirror
    Voorloper
    Crossroads of Time
    Forerunner Foray
    Exiles of the Stars
    Postmarked for the Stars
    The Time Traders
    Galactic Derelict
    Witch World

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  43. Short stories are best by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't try to avoid dark in sci-fi. A lot of the best sci fi is more about exploring the human psyche - the technology or remote physical setting is more a tool than the focus of the story.

    My recommendation: Go for a short story collection. Anything by Asimov would be good. Or failing that try a collection that exposes the youngster to a wide variety of authors, but in short little bursts. Any story that isn't interesting can be skipped, or if read won't turn into a long drawn out drag that'll put the little tike off.

    If short stories aren't what you want, try Cities in Flight James Blish.

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  44. Tom Swift!!!! by BLKMGK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh heck yes! There have been multiple generations of this series. The older stuff like Tom Swift and his biplane perhaps not as interesting but there were at LEAST 3 generations after that! I actually collect some of the really old ones - now nearly 90 years old and have some of the 2nd and 3rd gen ones too, I think there's a 4th newest generation as well.

    For stuff that is NOT dark, not super violent, and a decent read for younger people this stuff is great I think. It's like Sci-Fi Hardy Boys. When I was a kid I read every one of them the local library had in multiple cities.

    The oldest Tom Swift books are now public domain it seems, holding one that old in your hands is pretty wild but be advised that they aren't terribly "PC" for the modern world, they depict stereo-types pretty badly in the oldest books. A window into that time I guess but I do find it bothersome sometimes. These are popular on eBay...

    There was another bunch of books - Zip Zip was in the title. John Schealer was the author of these - I liked them as a kid too. Worth checking out although likely dated now like the old Tom swift books.

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  45. Jules Verne books by BlueBlade · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first books I've read and still remember fondly these days were The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne. I think I was 9 or 10 years old at the time and the edition I read had some pencil-drawn pictures every 5 pages or so.

    Amazing, engrossing story of a group of people lost on an island and how they build their own little pocket of civilization. There's an engineer in the group and they build a watermill, a telegraph, etc. They even rebuff a pirate attack! I thought that was the coolest thing ever. I absolutely loved those books (I think it's only a single book, but the ones I had were split in two). They are accessible and I don't remember anything objectionable in them. There's a little tie-in at the end with Captain Nemo, from the Twenty Leagues Under the Seas story, but the books stand on their own.

    I highly recommend this book. Hmm, I wonder if I can find a good online version of it to read again...

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  46. Re:Dark and Cynical? by nhaines · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, C.S. Lewis had been converted to Christianity by J.R.R. Tolkien and in fact wrote the Chronicles of Narnia as a sort of Christian allegory. The "overtones" (to put it mildly: I agree with others now that they are overwhelming and a bit cloying) are not really meant to be subtle.

    This is in contrast with The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings which does have a very Catholic foundation in its setting. The entire nature of the origins of the Elves--firstborn of the Children of Ilvatar--and their undying nature, the idea of the Halls of Mandos and the Gift of IllÃvatar (Elves were immortal only as long as Arda existed, but the spirits of Men lingered in the Halls of Mandos and then passed beyond the circles of the World), plus the hand of God guiding the heros (Frodo actually failed his Quest--it was impossible for him to overcome the lure of the One Ring, but because he showed Sméagol mercy and did everything that he had the strength to do, by divine fate the Ring was destroyed.

    All in all I far prefer the quiet, assumed Christianity of Middle-earth to the blatent allegory of Narnia. That said, I found the series delightful as a child.

  47. Re:Dark and Cynical? by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Informative

    The "sinner" is replaced by the blameless sacrifice, who is shamed, mocked then killed, the women weep over the body which disappears, then the blameless sacrifice is resurrected.

    Lion the witch and the wardrobe.

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  48. Red Wall by mkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Along a similar line as Harry Potter-
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Brian Jacques' "Red Wall" series of books. Perhaps I am getting older, but those were a lot of fun when I was in elementary school.

    The series is about various critters who act like humans. Lots of well described scenes, battles, and specific personality traits characteristic of which type of critter you are looking at. Your kids will probably learn some vocabulary too.

    Thoughtful and well written series of books.

  49. My List (Terry Brooks, Steven Lawhead, etc) by nitroamos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize you are looking specifically for sci-fi, but since people who like that typically also like fantasy, here were some of my favorites.

    * When I was a pre-teen, I really enjoyed Sword of Shannara, and then I followed the series as more came out. Other Terry Brooks books are also great.

    * Almost all of Isaac Asimov's stuff. Foundation series, the spacer books, etc.

    * Chronicles of Narnia. These were the popular books for elementary kids where I was.

    * Some of the Star Wars books were good, but not all. Most were "unoriginal".

    * I read the Dune series when I was in middle school, and loved it. But I suspect only the 1st would hold the attention of a pre-teen.

    * Michael Crighton books scared me to death when I was a kid. Maybe I was too young when I read those.

    * Flatland. Helps you imagine what higher dimensions would "look" like.

    * Obviously LOTR + The Hobbit. Non-negotiable.

    * I read a lot of books by Steven Lawhead, many of them fit better in the fantasy category, but some were sci-fi like. I *really* enjoyed Empyrion.

    * Also, I really enjoyed sci-fi short stories. I felt they worked really well, but you'd have to find a collection.

    * Others: Madeline L'Engle, Ray Bradbury. I know he's not sci-fi or fantasy, but I really liked Shogun by Clavell. Hey, Japanese dress like aliens...

    I'm currently reading the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons, and I love it, but it's not for pre-teens. Save it for later.

  50. Re:Dark and Cynical? by mtgarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the record, Lewis wasn't trying to write "Evangelistic" literature. He wanted to teach children ideas about right/wrong, self-sacrifice, good behavior and such. His self-avowed goal with those series was to plant seeds of good conduct not to explicitly attempt a conversion.

    And, yes, I like the books and agree with what he did with them.

  51. Tripod Series by Dan+B. · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Tripods Series is a great Sci-Fi read for that age. It's a vaguely Orwellian world of the future, ruled by aliens with man in controlled virtual slavery. Kids try to break free of control and rescue man, etc, etc....

    When the Tripods Came/White Mountains/City of Gold and Lead/Pool of Fire.

    I'm pretty sure the books are labelled in sequence order

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+pool+of+fire&x=0&y=0

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  52. My Picks by Sonnekki · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget The Animorphs!

    The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy is both hilarious and accessable.

    Or maybe if they are feeling dangerous:

    NEUROMANCER!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Re:Dark and Cynical? by mtgarden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also, you could check out the Binding of the Blade series. Definitely fantasy and overtly Christianized. The author does not explicitly mention Christianity, but the characters reference a single God and the story arc is about God's interaction with His creation, not about individual characters.

    The characters come and go (sadly), but ultimately their goal in life is to accomplish the will of God (i.e. your Christian overtones). And yeah, like Lewis, I agree with the author's theological points. So, I'm biased.

    Still these are VERY well written stories.

    Other than that caveat, the violence is not any more graphic than Tolkien and no other objectionable elements exist.

    I reviewed them more in depth at Conservativebooktalk.com.

  54. Re:Get them a subscription to Analog. by sbeckstead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Dune books are far too adult for pre-teens.
    Give Frank Herbert a pass. Go for the Heinlein and Poul Anderson.

  55. Re:Heinlein juveniles and others by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget RAH's first - Rocketship Galileo, and also Space Cadet, Time for the Stars. Also: I think 'The Rolling Stones' is the correct title of 'Space Family Stone', although I understand many of his early works were originally published serially, and under different titles; that may be the case here, but the novel has always been known to me as 'The Rolling Stones.' I would also include 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' and 'Starship Troopers' here, and perhaps 'The Puppet Masters.' I read all of these before I hit 12, and had no problems with them. Indeed, Moon is perhaps my favourite book to this day, even though I don't agree with some of Heinlein's social or some of his political views, it certainly formed or firmed a lot of my beliefs then and since. I don't see any need to avoid political stuff simply due to being young. On the contrary, much like with pets, it's good to get exposure early, else you might develop an allergy later in life. :)

    Other good ones include Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books (originally credited to his alter ego, 'Paul French', I think). There are also Schmitz's "Telzey Amberdon" books, as well as his classic "The Witches of Karres." Clarke's "Islands in the Sky", Gallun's "The Planet Strappers" (hard to find, but awesome), "Across a Billion Years" by Silverberg, "Space Angel" by John Maddox Roberts, "Healer" by F. Paul Wilson, "Eridahn" by Robert Young (dinosaurs! Time travel! Martians! Aliens! (yes, Martians and Aliens are listed separately here :)), someone else already mentioned "Welcome to Mars" by Blish, and I'll certainly second that. There's a LOT more to E.E. Doc Smith than his Lensman and Skylark books, and I think I'd recommend them all. "Spacial Delivery" by Gordon Dickson was a good one, as are "Talking to Dragons" by Patricia Wrede, (which is apparently part of a series. This is the only one that I've read, and it stands alone brilliantly), the Harper Hall trilogy by Anne McCaffrey (set on the Pern world), and the undersea books by Jerry Pournelle (I think) I remember as being quite fun, too. Also: Robert Aspirin's "MythAdventures" books, and Piers Anthony's "Xanth" books (though the older you are, the more you'll get the 'awful' puns).

    Many, if not most, of these, will need to be purchased used, due to the sad state of the publishing industry. *sigh*

    I actually wrote a gigantic list on this subject several years ago on Slashdot - you may be able to find it via a search by using some of the more unique titles or names listed here as keywords.

  56. Clarke by Nicodemus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anything written by Arthur C Clarke. I was devouring everything clark when I was around 10. I started with Rendezvous with Rama, which remains my favorite book of all time. It was actualy on the pre-teen shelf at the library when I was a kid. The sequels are really good, too, imo... though many disagree. The 2001 series is good, Hammer of God, Songs of Distant Earth, Childhood's End. Too many to list. Sometimes the themes are a little advanced, but don't underestimate young readers. I think kids should pick up more advanced books early anyways... it helps development. Too many adults these days are still stuck in a Dr. Seuss world =)

    Nicodemus

  57. Re:Dark and Cynical? by XeresRazor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or as my wife like to succinctly put it "OMG WTF Jesus Lion"

  58. Think about this for a minute. by CDarklock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't remember these books as dry and cynical because you didn't care.

    You're not seeing them the same way today. Just as I look back on books I loved as a child and see new things, so do you. But the fact remains: they were good books. Children are very, very good at ignoring the things they don't understand in favor of the things they do.

    Consider just handing them Heinlein, and letting them figure it out for themselves. Children are robust little machines for making sense of the world. Give them "Stranger in a Strange Land"; all the sex and religion parts whizzed right by me as a kid, and I mainly came away from it with an appreciation for cultural differences. So if you were looking at that book thinking the sex and religion parts were too much, you might be right, but you're also throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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  59. In the same vein: by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lloyd Alexander's books. His "Chronicles of Prydain" (starting with "The Book of Three") are probably his best work, but he's got some other wonderful stuff.

    Jeff Smith's Bone -- don't hold the fact that it's a graphic novel against it. :)

  60. The complete Heinlein juvenile list: by DeComposer · · Score: 4, Informative
    • Rocket Ship Galileo
    • Space Cadet
    • Red Planet
    • Farmer in the Sky
    • Between Planets
    • The Rolling Stones
    • Starman Jones
    • The Star Beast
    • Tunnel in the Sky
    • Time for the Stars
    • Citizen of the Galaxy
    • Have Space Suit--Will Travel
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  61. Some that haven't been mentioned yet... by Samrobb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Series:

    • Steven Brust's "Jhereg" series
    • Glen Cook's "Black Company" series
    • Jim Butcher's "Cursor" series
    • Tamora Pierce's "Lady Knight" series

    Novels:

    • "God Stalk" and "Dark of the Moon" by PC Hodgell
    • "The Practice Effect" by David Brin
    • "Spaceling" by Doris Piserchia
    • "Dreamsnake" by Vonda Mcintyre
    • "Doorways in the Sand" and "Lord Demon" by Zelazny
    • "Millenium" by John Varley
    • "The Door Into Summer" by RAH
    • "Caves of Steel" by Asimov
    • "City", "Mastadonia", "Project Pope", "Cemetery World", "The Goblin Reservation"... really, just about anything by Clifford D. Simak.
    • Ditto for anything by Manly Wade Wellman

    Collections:

    • "Unacomapnied Sonata" by Orson Scott Card
    • "Unicorn Variations" by Zelazny
    • "The Best of Frederick Brown" by... well... Frederick Brown
    • "The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton" by Larry Niven
    • "Casebook of Jules De Grandin" by Seabury Quinn
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  62. My teen-era favorites... by haemish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any of the "Tales of Known Space" series by Larry Niven; "Tar Aym Krang" by Alan Dean Foster.

  63. Re:Dark and Cynical? by nhaines · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, Tolkien grew up a devout Catholic. So that's definitely not it. :)

    I hate to appeal to Wikipedia, but the article there does mention Lewis's falling away from Christianity as a teenager and then returning to theism and then Christianity when he in his early 30's.

    C.S. Lewis was definitely one of the great Christian apologists of the 20th century, and it's no wonder that you remember him as such.

  64. Another fan's list by Sierran · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll try to stick to ones I didn't see on a fast pass through the topic...

    • George R.R. Martin's Tuf Voyaging
    • Lester Del Rey's Runaway Robot is one for late pre-teens I fondly remember
    • C.J. Cherryh's Chanur books
    • Scott Westerfeld's The Midnighters series (more urban fantasy, I guess)
    • Christopher Anvil's Interstellar Patrol stories
    • It's really hard to find, but This Time of Darkness by H.M. Hoover
    • Roger Zelazny's The Last Defender of Camelot story collection, which includes both the more adult Damnation Alley but my favorite short novel ever, For A Breath I Tarry.
    • John Varley's Red Thunder is a Heinlein juvenile homage
    • Alexander Key's Rivets and Sprockets (also hard to find but wonderful)
    • Eleanor Cameron's The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet
    • Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451
    • Madeleine L'Engle's The Young Unicorns
    • Steven C. Gould's Jumper and Wildside
    • Andre Norton's Star Guard
    • L. Frank Baum's The Wizard of Oz (dammit! :-))
    • Brian Daley's Han Solo books (the older ones, pre-Star Wars licensing craze - Han Solo at Star's End, Han Solo's Revenge, Han Solo and the Lost Legacy).
    • John M. (Mike) Ford's excellent Star Trek novel The Final Reflection and his excellent Princes of the Air

    As always, vet for yourself! Good luck! I envy your kids, just starting out with all the wonder out there.

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  65. Re:Dark and Cynical? by fumblebruschi · · Score: 4, Funny

    From McSweeneys:

    3-Line Narnia

    C.S. LEWIS: Hey, a Utopia ruled by children and populated by talking animals!

    THE WITCH: Hello, I'm a sexually mature woman of power and confidence.

    C.S. LEWIS: Aaaahhh! Kill it, lion Jesus!

  66. All the books you'll need by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a list of books suitable for children from six to sixteen at The LASFS website. It's one of the many projects of This World's Oldest Science Fiction Club.

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  67. I started very young ... by pvera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and I really enjoyed Jules Verne. The Asimov short stories are really good and not as convoluted as Foundation.

    Asimov's robot series are also pretty simple unless you try to make them fit into the big picture, then it turns into a huge headache. I still remember throwing Prelude to Foundation across the room when I realized that it connected to some other Asimov books I always assumed to be isolated.

    The litmus test for when a kid is ready for Asimov is to let him read "The Last Question" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question).

    If the kid goes "uh, whoa" at the end of the story, then he is ready for Asimov.

    If he can't figure it out, then he isn't ready.

    If he goes "this is bullshit, what a bullshit ending!" then there's nothing for you to worry about, hand him some Philip K. Dick and see what happens.

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  68. *not* Niven's Ringworld by frooddude · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't exactly want my kids reading about rishathra and it's many uses political/social/entertainment as pre-teens.

    Great books, but with vampires/ghouls/sex I don't think pre-teen is quite the right time.

    1. Re:*not* Niven's Ringworld by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should brainwash your kids the way you want (about sex and other stuff) before they become teens. MTV and friends already target preteens.

      I learnt about sex when I was 8 or so from science books my parents let me read (and also a few of those sci fi books).

      But wait... I'm one of those virgin slashdotters, erm nevermind then :).

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  69. Re:Hmm by William+Baric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I strongly disagree, at least with the Dune series. I read Dune (although not in English) when I was 11 or 12, and I believe it's the perfect kid sci-fi. It's light, it present political and social ideas with simple examples instead of explanations, it is morally clear cut so the kid will know who's who, and yet introduce him to some exoticism which can open the kid's mind and certainly lead him to dream about this world. I certainly did.

    On the other hand, I think foundation is better for a 14 or 15 years old. It's better on the "idea" side, it has more food for thought, but there is a lot less action and heroism. It's certainly more nerdy than Dune.

    (Disclaimer, I read both series a long time ago, so I'm relying on a 25 to 30 years old memory... I may be wrong)

  70. Re:Tripod Trilogy - John Christopher by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Absolutely. I still read them every few years even though they are very much "Boy's Own Adventure" stuff with teens and tweens saving the world.

    Just a note, however, there's also a prequel which explains how the world happened but that ruins half the fun of the series. Do not read it first.

    It is an ok book but read it last. Half the fun of reading The White Mountains is figuring out what is going on, what time period it is and other things. Once you read the first three books then read the prequel to learn how the world got that way.

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  71. Speaking of Asimov by snooo53 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm actually kind of surprised no one until now has really mentioned any of Asimov's robot series, or the Norby Chronicles written by him and his wife Janet Asimov. Perfect for a pre-teen.

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  72. CONTACT by mlawrence · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By Carl Sagan. Sci-fi mixed with a little bit of learning - can't go wrong. :)

  73. Re:A Wrinkle in Time SUCKS by Roblimo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was a fine book when I was 10. Now that I'm 55, it's not so good.

    And much though I loved Heinlein's juveniles when I was 10 - 16, today I find them... juvenile.

    The first science fiction book I read (and the first all-text "adult" book, too) was A.E. Van Vogt's "The Voyage of the Space Beagle." I was seven.

    Douglas Adams is fine for all ages.

    Piers Anthony is great when you're 10 - 16, starts to lose it after that.

    Orson Scott Card, check.

    James Patterson isn't thought of as an SF writer, but his "Maximum Ride" series is excellent juvenile SF -- and not shabby for adults, either.

    Just turn kids loose in the library, let them get what they like. It may not be what *you* like, but hey! We each have our own taste in authors and styles.

  74. Ursula Le Guin by xdancergirlx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I also highly recomment the Earthsea series, the 4th book, Tehanu, is actually my favourite book of all time.

    There are actually 6 books:
    - A Wizard of Earthsea (1968)
    - Tombs of Atuan (1971)
    - The Farthest Shore (1972)
    - Tehanu (1990)
    - Tales from Earthsea (2001)
    - The Other Wind (2001)

    Tehanu is a revist to the world of Earthsea through female characters. Tales from Earthsea is a collection of short stories (fairly long short stories) which occur mostly outside of the plot of the other 5 books, but who give context to the world itself and the final book. The last book continues from Tehanu and brings her narrative and the whol series to a more conclusive, and beautiful, end. Highly recommended for any age of person!!

  75. Battlefield Earth - L. Ron Hubbard by tuna_wasabi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's controversial author aside, Battlefield Earth is one of the best science fiction books ever written. It's written in a straightforward pulp-action style that is great for kids to digest (as long as they're not intimidated by the ~1k page count). There's nothing too deep or demanding, it's just sci-fi action at it's best. Make sure to buy the copy with the original cover art; leave the hammy John Travolta cover in the store.

  76. Childhood Fantasy by Caleb615 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The following are all "coming of age" stories which I hope might appeal to your children. Most are winners of the Nebula and or Newberry prizes for literature - which generally means that they can be found in a local library. I will not bother to list all of the wonderful Heinlein novels and stories as they clearly have many champions, though I will plug the anthology "The Past through Tomorrow" which hooked me at age nine and started a life long passion for reading.

    David Eddings

    Lloyd Alexander

    • The Chronicles of Prydain - wonderful series based around Welsh Mythology, basis of Disney's "The Black Cauldron". When Alexander died in 2007, his obituary in New York Magazine hoped that "The High King is everything we desperately hope Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be."

    Ursula LeGuin

    • The Earthsea Trilogy - I cannot recommend this series enough. If your children had any interest in the "Harry Potter" series this is a must read.

    R. A. MacAvoy

    T.H. White

    That should keep them busy over the summer.

  77. SF and Fantasy Authors for Young Readers by solprovider · · Score: 4, Informative

    Over 50 authors sorted by chronological age of readers. Some (e.g. Heinlein) have books for younger readers, but continuing with the author leads to adult books. All (except the Acorna series) are accessible to older readers.

    L. Frank Baum - classic Oz for the very young
    Lloyd Alexander - Prydain
    John Christopher (Samuel Youd) - Tripods series.
    Susan Cooper - Dark Is Rising series
    Robin McKinley
    Robert Asprin - Myth Adventures and Phule series. Other series should wait until mid-teens. Just bought Dragon's Wild -- not read yet, but seems more adult.
    Jody Lynn Nye - Mythology
    Terry Pratchet - Discworld
    Christopher Stasheff - Warlock series, earliest books will need to be reread when older; middle of series is great for children; latest are romances for late teens.
    Craig Shaw Gardner
    Piers Anthony - Xanth
    Brian Jacques - Redwall
    Lyndon Hardy - Only one fantasy trilogy.
    Harry Harrison - Stainless Steel Rat series. Many other books for different age groups.
    Marion Zimmer Bradley - Darkover
    Katherine Kurtz - Deryni
    Barbara Hambly
    Anne McCaffrey - Acorna series is for young children, painful for adults. Talents, Brainships, and Crystal Singer are for any age. Dragonriders vary starting late teens.
    Joel Rosenberg - Guardians of the Flame series; warning: main characters die!
    Stephen R. Donaldson - Mordant's Need (fantasy), then Gap series (SF). Covenant series for late teens.
    Alan Dean Foster - pulp writer great for children but too many clichés for adults.
    Edgar Rice Burroughs - classic Tarzan, Mars, and Pellucidar are mandatory.
    C. S. Lewis - Narnia
    Gordon Dickson - Dorsai (especially appealing to boys), many others.
    Terry Brooks (Magic Kingdom for Sale series)
    J. K. Rowling - Harry Potter, mandatory for this decade
    Fritz Leiber - Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series is great for boys
    John DeChancie - Castle series
    Fred Saberhagen - Empire of the East and Swords series
    Frederick Pohl
    James P. Hogan - SF
    Laura Resnick - Fantasy
    Orson Scott Card - Ender's Game, Shadow series, Enchantment, Songmaster, Magic Street.
    Spider Robinson - Deathkiller trilogy and short stories. Callahan's Series for late teens (fun but adult-themed jokes would be missed when very young.)
    L. E. Modesitt, Jr. - Ecolitan and Recluse series.
    W. Michael Gear - Now writing long-winded pulp with his wife, but his Spider trilogy (and "The Artifact" prequel) is incredible (warning: main characters die!)
    Philip José Farmer - World of Tiers
    Terry Goodkind - Sword of Truth series starts well
    Roger Zelazny - Amber
    David Farland (Dave Wolverton) - Runelords
    Jules Verne - classic
    H. G. Wells - classic
    Harry Turtledove - alternate histories, often fantasy.
    Douglas Adams - mandatory for potential nerds.
    Arthur C. Clarke
    Charles Ingrid - SF
    Robert L. Forward
    Isaac Asimov
    Robert Heinlein - mandatory for sci-fi discussions.
    Poul Anderson
    Larry Niven - Ringworld, etc.
    Jerry Pournelle
    Greg Bear
    Ray Bradbury
    Mike Resnick
    C. S. Friedman - often requires rereading to understand (even for adults)

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  78. Re:Piers Anthony by callmetheraven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I preferred the Catastrophe over the Catapult! But I think that Anthony got kinda lazy after Centaur Aisle, I don't think he put a lot of thought into the books that follow, just cashed in on the franchise. And the puns get agonizing from about Ogre Ogre on... Compare what a great book Castle Roogna is VS, say, Golem in the Gears...

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  79. Pre-teens, meaning 12 and younger? by BearRanger · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's hard to remember back that far, but the stuff I had in my elementary school library included things like the "Tom Swift Jr." series, about a young scientist/engineer. They were sort of in the vein of "The Hardy Boys" or the "Jonny Quest" cartoons but focused on some pretty far-fetched scientific concepts. I really enjoyed them though and must have read 40+ different editions. Like "The Hardy Boys" they were thoroughly formulaic but still good harmless fun for 9 - 12 year olds.

    Also, the "Danny Dunn" series was pretty fun. It was more juvenile than the "Tom Swift" stories but had a better scientific foundation. One thing that stood out in these were the inclusion of a girl as a principle character, and adults who weren't shown as being totally stupid-- a failure of a lot of kid's books.

    Fantasy wise, I read Anne McCaffery's "Dragonriders of Pern" short stories when I was about 11. I think the short stories preceded the first novel ("Dragonflight") but I could be wrong about that.

    I also spent a lot of time reading comics. There were some great stories back then, but many comics today aren't as innocent as those 70's stories were. Or as subversive, as I think the old "Green Lantern/Green Arrow" comics subtly shaped some of my political views. Some comics could provide a nice break if you decide to let them read some of the more serious works others have suggested.

    Happy hunting, and good on you for encouraging your kids to read a wide range of things.

  80. Give them what you read by spineboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chances are they'll like it too. I was 13 when I read LOTR, and Dune. When I was 11-12 I "discovered" Asimov, Heinlein, Niven, Bradburyand other grandmasters, as well as the Star Trek novels. Those guys are famous for a reason.

    Might want to try some collections of short stories, and see what they like. You might already have it in your collection. My library, at the time, had YA stickers on books (young adult), and I remember cruising around the library, looking for those stickers for a few years.

    I also used to read the first page in a book, and some other random page just to see if I liked it, or the style. Try that with them.

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  81. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by kristinester · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I'm not entirely certain as to what "pre-teen" is. 9-12? But when I was around that age I wasn't really reading books for my age group. Well, except for Sweet Valley High, but it was a guilty pleasure.

    If they display an interest in something, let them read it. Regardless of whether it's too advanced for them. Yes, certain themes may be a bit mature (i.e. A Clockwork Orange, American Psycho), but so long as there is no graphic violence, torture, or rape there shouldn't be an issue. Books with political messages should be fine as well, if they catch the references, it can spark an interesting conversation. It's always good when kids think and ask questions.

    As far as sci-fi goes specifically, I've always been more of a fantasy chick myself. Loved Dragonlance, it's total fluff but still fun. They even have children's versions of the first trilogy now, although I'm not sure how much easier to read they can make it. It's not exactly difficult reading material to begin with.

    Oh! William Gibson. I read Mona Lisa Overdrive, Count Zero, and Neuromancer when I was about 12 and loved it, then explored his other novels. Good stuff. Orson Scott Card is great as well.

    http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/topscifi/lists_books_rank1.html Top 100 Sci-Fi books.

    Hell, if they're ambitious throw a copy of Cryptonomicon at them and see what happens. If they don't like it, read it yourself, great book. And it's ridiculously long, perfect for road trips or long plane rides.

    Doctor Who is great sci-fi. I haven't picked up any of the books yet, but now that I have a two years or so until the next series I may start reading the novels until I can get my fix. ;)

    All else fails, toss them in the sci-fi section of the library and tell them to look around and read. I suppose it all depends on how much they enjoy reading. Some kids just aren't into it. I was very happy on summer vacations when my parents dumped me at the library.

  82. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Snap ! Islands In The Sky probably wasn't the first Sci Fi book I read but it must have been one of the first when I was 8 or 9 or something.

    I think the sci-fi books I enjoyed most around 11 - 12 were The Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison.

    Not at all Sci Fi but you absolutely can't go wrong with the Swallows & Amazons series by Arthur Ransome, the setting may be ancient history now but the books are probably the best books I ever read as a kid.

  83. Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by try_anything · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where did we get the idea that pre-teens can't be exposed to sex in any way? It's a good idea to read books before recommending them to your children to make sure the presentation of sex isn't sinister in any way, but the mere presence of sex shouldn't disqualify a book.

    I see several posts on this page where people rule out any sex whatsoever, but nothing at all lamenting the fact that most classic sci-fi is absurdly sexist. Usually naively and unintentionally sexist, perhaps, and only occasionally misogynistic, but not suitable to be the bulk of your kid's literary diet.

    In fact, the best reason for tolerating a little sex is that most of the non-chauvinistic sci-fi does contain sex. Plus, it is a good idea for kids to be self-consciously, abstractly wondering about sex before they encounter their own urges in a concrete form. They aren't going to take their ideas from you, their parents, and the alternatives are books, movies, TV, and peers. Obviously, good books and a few movies are your best hope if you want your kids to take a thoughtful, critical approach.

    I don't know ANYTHING about pre-teens except what I know from being one, but I know I read several books about sex as a pre-teen and was alternately amused and horrified by the unreflective, superstitious, fetishistic approach to sex that my peers took to sex. Whatever they heard from anyone between their age and twenty-one, they took as gospel truth. Whatever they knew at a given time was assumed to be pretty close to the whole truth. Good science fiction is a wonderful inoculation against those attitudes. (Unfortunately, it seems that most science fiction is optimized to sell to people who would rather fantasize about sex than think about it, but you just have to find the exceptions.)

    Here are a few books that might be suitable for preteens.

    Island , by Aldous Huxley. I actually read this as a pre-teen. The main thing I took away from it is that sex and love present some thorny problems, and different people have come up with many very different ways of coping with them. It influenced me to approach sex with a combination of compassion, love, and pragmatism, in that order. I learned to keep that attitude to myself in the macho culture I grew up in, and gave up on it altogether by the time I went to college, but eventually my adult experiences with sex brought me right back to where Aldous Huxley started me out. This is a no-brainer choice to give to freethinking kids. It does advocate judicious use of hallucinogens for spiritual purposes, but I read and admired it as a preteen and was never tempted to test that particular idea. (Twenty years later, I still haven't.)

    Fledgling , by Octavia Butler. Perhaps this one should be saved for older teens. I really don't know what to say about this book except that it made me think. I'm normally a pretty quick reader, but I kept putting this one down just so I could think for a while. (I know, I'm supposed to do that with every book. So I'm a philistine; sue me.) The takeaway lesson from this book is that people have to be very ethically careful about relations of power and dependency.

    Stranger in a Strange Land , by Robert Heinlein. The older I get the more I realize that Heinlein was a pompous dick who loved to put ridiculous ideas over on people, take undeserved adulation from naive people (like my teenage self,) and then defend himself against the critics by saying he was just "throwing things out there" or "seeing who would take him seriously." So I would definitely rer

    1. Re:Sex is a boogeyman, but not sexism? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is a no-brainer choice to give to freethinking kids. It does advocate judicious use of hallucinogens for spiritual purposes, but I read and admired it as a preteen and was never tempted to test that particular idea. (Twenty years later, I still haven't.)

      You're missing out. Take some mushrooms with someone you love.

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  84. Thirded ! by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been trying to remember what these books were called all morning. I remember absolutely loving "The Castle Of Lyr" when I was 9 or 10, really great characters and a fantastic story. I'd recommend these to any child.

    I think there may also have been some sort of animated film of the Black Cauldron 20 years ago or something.

  85. Or give them what they want to read by js_sebastian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, you can propose some books you think they will like, but please also take them to a library and let them browse and pick up whatever they want. This is how you get kids into reading in the first place. We are all different, I have a lot of books that are dear to me that I've pushed on this or that youngling, and with some I have been successful, with some I have failed totally. I think I bought my sister Michael Ende's "Momo" twice by mistake, and she never read it once.

    Real readers start omnivorous, reading all sort of good as well as bad books, but of all the books I read as a child, very few of the more important (for me) were "for children".

    1. Re:Or give them what they want to read by Schadrach · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hits the nail on the head. I was big into fantasy/scifi/horror when I was a kid (I think that came about as being part of the family in general though -- we all seem to have a taste for it. When I was around 8-10, I read mostly Poe, King, Tolkein, Douglas Adams, Lewis Carroll, CS Lewis and of all things the Lone Wolf gamebooks by Joe Dever (I got into those when I was something like 5, but I'm atypical wrt reading [Mother taught me to read fairly young, and I took to it rapidly]). I didn't really get into any hard scifi until I was a bit older, but the more fantasy-like scifi I got into around 8ish (mostly as an outgrowth of watching Star Trek with my parents since I could hold my own head up).

    2. Re:Or give them what they want to read by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a very hazy memory of reading Andre Norton's

      • The Zero Stone

      out of my grade school library.

      I was 6 when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, and had hi-res, 9x12 photos from Apollo 11 on my bedroom wall. I loved my books on rockets and space flight.

      I found Asimov, Heinlein, and Bradbury later, and subscribed to Analog for High School and college. But The Zero Stone certainly kindled my fascination with sci-fi... I have no idea how well it holds up today.

  86. From my childhood... by Angostura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ones that stick in my mind are:

    The Wizard of Earthsea books by Ursula Le Guin
    A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
    The Gods Themselves - Azimov
    The End of Eternity - Azimov

  87. Re:Arthur C Clarke and Doctor Who by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Funny

    throw a copy of Cryptonomicon at them

    Just make sure you use the paperback version. Otherwise, you might:

    a) hurt the kid.
    b) hurt your arm.

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  88. Douglas Adams by CannedTurkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    * The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1979) * The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (1980) * Life, the Universe and Everything (1982) * So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish (1984) * Mostly Harmless (1992)

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