Slashdot Mirror


Referee Recommends Disbarment For Jack Thompson

spielermacher writes "GamePolitics is reporting that Jack Thompson — the lawyer every gamer loves to hate — has apparently lost his court case and is facing disbarment. The Referee in the case has gone beyond the Florida Bar's request for a 10-year disbarment and is recommending a lifetime ban. From the Final Report issued by the court: '... the Respondent has demonstrated a pattern of conduct to strike out harshly, extensively, repeatedly and willfully to simply try to bring as much difficulty, distraction and anguish to those he considers in opposition to his causes. He does not proceed within the guidelines of appropriate professional behavior ...' All I can say is that it's about time."

55 of 280 comments (clear)

  1. Thank Goodness by Gat0r30y · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least the US Gov. managed to do one thing right today.

    --
    Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
    1. Re:Thank Goodness by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

      At least the US Gov. managed to do one thing right today.

      It's not the US government, it's the state of Florida.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    2. Re:Thank Goodness by stebalo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Game over man, game over!

      --
      "I drank what?" - Socrates
    3. Re:Thank Goodness by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not the US government, it's the state of Florida.

      Speaking as someone living in Florida, the idea that the state of Florida did something right is even more astounding than the idea that the US government did right.

    4. Re:Thank Goodness by elemnt14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does this mean he can appeal to a higher court to try to get it turned around? Thats not a pleasing thought.

    5. Re:Thank Goodness by JordanL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Allow the government to spy on us without haebeus corpus or warrants... Permanently disbar JT...

      We might have gotten the better end of that trade.

      (I kid...)

    6. Re:Thank Goodness by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      He could try suing the Florida bar in federal court, but the chances of the circuit court taking the case are pretty slim.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    7. Re:Thank Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not the US government, it's the state of Florida.

      It's not even the state of Florida. It's the Florida Bar, which is a professional organization set up by the Florida Supreme Court. So while it was granted authority by the government of Florida, it isn't part of the government of Florida.

    8. Re:Thank Goodness by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, as someone who lives right smack in orange county I'm pretty much struck fuck dumb by this. It's like something gave them a violent allergic reaction and it manifested as common sense, decency, and good taste instead of anaphylactic shock.

      --
      A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    9. Re:Thank Goodness by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      He could try suing the Florida bar in federal court, but the chances of the circuit court taking the case are pretty slim.

      Yes, because of violent gay gamer conspiracy operating at all levels of the courts working against him!

      Hey, with Jack out of the picture, someone has to step up to the plate at Crazy Bastard Memorial Field.

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    10. Re:Thank Goodness by stfvon007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      is it hot coffee?

      --
      All misspellings and grammatical errors in the above post are intentional and part of my artistic expression.
    11. Re:Thank Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the Florida Bar, which is a professional organization set up by the Florida Supreme Court.

      It's not even the Florida Bar. It's just some guy named Frank.

    12. Re:Thank Goodness by lostmongoose · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does it go any other way?

      Of course it does. How do you think JT got here to begin with?

    13. Re:Thank Goodness by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

      The bar brought the suit to revoke his license. The state actually issues the license, and can revoke it when the bar recommends that it do so.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    14. Re:Thank Goodness by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Has anyone tried spraying him with holy water*? I have a feeling it may work.

      *Or pasta water, depending on your particular religion.

      --
      The view was horrible and the smell was even worse; Julie severely regretted becoming a proctologist.
    15. Re:Thank Goodness by Qhartb · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not actually some guy named Frank. It's a broom.

  2. It's not just lifetime disbarment by Southpaw018 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Judge also wants him to cough up $43,000 to cover the Bar costs because the whole thing was so outrageous.

    --
    ACs are modded -6. I don't read you, I don't mod you, I don't see you. Don't like it? Don't be a coward.
    1. Re:It's not just lifetime disbarment by bloobloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Judge also wants him to cough up $43,000 to cover the Bar costs because the whole thing was so outrageous.

      That's a lot of beer

    2. Re:It's not just lifetime disbarment by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Informative

      107,000 gallons if you like home brewing very good American swill. A little less if you go for real beer. Less if you go for chinkweiser and not enough if it's German beer. ;)

      --
      I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
    3. Re:It's not just lifetime disbarment by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't see any competent lawyer touching him with a 10' pole.

      Good thing there aren't any incompetent lawyers out there then...

  3. so what by heptapod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He'll probably make more cash being a commentator on Fox News pushing their particular agenda. He's been defanged but no one's cut his vocal cords.

    1. Re:so what by thermian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People stopped listening to him a long time ago.

      Ah no, there you're wrong. Never underestimate the entertainment value of a nutbar in vocal mode.

      What they've done is stop taking him seriously. I'm a long way from being tired hearing about him.

      In my opinion, one of the best treatments of his obviously deranged state is that done by de-rez http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/de-rez/55-Jack-Thompson-The-Movie

      Serious coffee on keyboard time.

      --
      A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
    2. Re:so what by merreborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He'll probably make more cash being a commentator on Fox News pushing their particular agenda. He's been defanged but no one's cut his vocal cords.

      His disbarment would discredit him in a very real way. For a major television network to present him as a credible expert after this, they'd have to think their viewers complete idiots.

      It remains to be seen just how low an opinion fox news holds of their viewers.

    3. Re:so what by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...they'd have to think their viewers complete idiots.

      There might be a place for him as White House press secretary.

    4. Re:so what by segfault7375 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... For a major television network to present him as a credible expert after this, they'd have to think their viewers complete idiots.

      Yeah, I think that's about right these days.

  4. Censorship? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who tagged this story "censorship". Jack Thompson can think or say whatever he wants, but abusing his legal standing to further his cause is not acceptable to the Bar. Also he's acted unprofessional numerous times.

    1. Re:Censorship? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not tagged Censorship because the gov't is censoring him... it's tagged Censorship because that's what he's always pushing for and he's finally getting the throttling he deserves.

      --
      You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.
  5. Sorry, but I just have to do this... by SiriusStarr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ding-dong the witch is dead
    Which old witch? The wicked witch
    Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead
    Wake up you sleepyhead
    Rub your eyes, get out of bed
    Wake up the wicked witch is dead
    She's gone where the goblins go
    Below - below - below
    Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out
    Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low
    Let them know the Wicked Witch is dead

    :-)

    --
    Fear the penguin.
  6. Muahahahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Florida Bar Wins.

    Fatality

  7. But...But... by Ngarrang · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bill G. retires. And now Jack T. is being disbarred. Who will be the slashdot editor post about for us to all agree on in our complaints?!

    --
    Bearded Dragon
  8. Re:Owned by Edward+Teach · · Score: 3, Informative

    Shouldn't that be "PWNED!"?

    --

    Setting his threshold to 5, Sparky eliminated most of the trolls on /.

  9. Soon, Jack Thompson for Senetor/representative by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't think it's the last time we see this guy lobbying for the elimination of xyz. Just a little bump in the road.

  10. The ruling is a trip. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love reading legal documents where it's clear that the person being deposed is batshit crazy, and they're trying not to use pejorative language while stating the facts.

    As an example, the line "During his testimony, the undersigned Referee asked for clarification of Mr. Thompson as to which of the four binders of exhibits in evidence he was referring. Once clarified, Mr. Thompson spoke at length, before re-addressing the issues" is footnoted with the following:

    What followed the Court's inquiry regarding clarification as to in which binder the document was located, is twenty-three (23) pages of testimony by Mr. Thompson involving matters such as: why he had not shaved that day for court; referring to the "Twinkie" case about the killing of a Mayor in San Francisco; a lawsuit filed by him in Kentucky in 1999 involving allegations regarding a video game entitled, 'Doom'; an interview with Matt Lauer from NBC's Today show; the killings in Columbine; information about a Lt. Colonel David Grossman regarding his book, On Killing; information regarding addressing the American Bar Association and his shared Christian values with David Grossman; former President Bill Clintonâ(TM)s radio address regarding David Grossman (sometime during the Clinton administration years); an appearance with now deceased CBS reporter Ed Bradley of 60 Minutes; comments by Peggy Noonan-former President Ronald Reagan's speech writer-and an article she wrote for The Wall Street Journal; comments about the movie starring actors Russell Crowe and Al Pacino, called The Insider; issues regarding products liability and 'Big Tobacco'; the alleged targeting by Mr. Thompson by Blank Rome; information about Doug Lowenstein described as the president and chief lobbyist for the parent company of the ESRB (Entertainment Software Rating Board)--which Mr. Thompson alleges now "represents gun running cartels." T 1068, line 7; an article published in Reader's Digest with actor Tom Hanks on the cover; Mr. Thompson's meeting with convicted murderer Devin Moore on death row; a contention of a racial component in defendant Moore's case, "they certainly have it to contend with in Alabama being a slave state," T 1070, line 15, 1071, line 1; information that allegedly occurred the week of the Final Hearing in this disciplinary matter regarding comments made by a law enforcement officer in Australia and New Zealand equating a spike in teen violence with interactive violent video games; an article which purportedly appeared in Time magazine quoting David Grossman; the connection of violence towards law enforcement officers and interactive video games that simulate the killing of officers; and the numerous civil lawsuits filed across the country in various jurisdictions which lead to the filing of the Strickland case in Fayette, Alabama.

    I'm almost going to miss the crazy bastard. This stuff is too good to be fake.

    --
    ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
    1. Re:The ruling is a trip. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've got to admit, after reading that, I'm really rather curious as to why he didn't shave!

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
  11. Dismemberment? by SoupGuru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dang it! I totally thought that said "dismemberment"!

    --
    What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
  12. Good riddance to bad advocate by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really a shame that the anti-violent game lobby has someone like JT as a de-facto spokesman.

    Ultimately - even if you disagree - they have a reasonable position. i.e. it's generally bad for kids to play violent games. and all reasonable positions should be considered. Having someone who goes off at wild tangents, blames everything on games whether there's any evidence or not and pisses off the entire legal system is not really a good person to have on your side.

    1. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by Bane1998 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's really a shame that the anti-violent game lobby has someone like JT as a de-facto spokesman. Ultimately - even if you disagree - they have a reasonable position. i.e. it's generally bad for kids to play violent games. and all reasonable positions should be considered. Having someone who goes off at wild tangents, blames everything on games whether there's any evidence or not and pisses off the entire legal system is not really a good person to have on your side.

      We'll have to agree to disagree that it's a reasonable position. I think it's unreasonable to make that jump that it's 'bad.' Further, even if I agreed, it's not up to the government to decide this, it's up to the parents and families and individuals. The Video Game Industry, afaik, has always been reasonably responsible in rating their games, and parents can decide if thier kids can play M-rated games or not. I really don't understand the basis for the 'anti' argument at all. Don't like it, don't play it, and don't let your kids play it.

      Though I think sheltering your kids is far more harmful to their development than letting them play M-rated games, you don't see me insisting we pass laws saying you should let your kids play whatever games they want to. It's not my business to tell you how to raise your kids.

    2. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It may be a reasonable position, but is it a correct one? So far nobody's been able to come up with any hard numbers agreeing with it. All the results are either "no correlation" or "kids who play violent video games are slightly less likely to be violent than average".

      The position that if you're standing in the airlock of the ISS and give a good shove off, sending yourself flying away from the station and towards Earth, you'll burn up in the atmosphere is also a reasonable one. It just happens not to be correct. One orbit later you'll find yourself bumping off the ISS again. Common sense might say one thing, but orbital mechanics says another. I suspect the same thing's at work: common sense might say that violent games should beget violent acts, but reality and psychology don't work the way common sense says they should. Nothing new there, lots of things that're true violate common sense.

    3. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by cephah · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to think it was a silly position as well, but after reading a post on slashdot recommending this book I've gotta admit that I've changed stance on the subject. He compares video games with the military's conditioning. Say what you want, the guy knew a lot on the subject. PS: It's only the last chapter of the book that's about video games / movies and their effects but the rest is an interesting read.

    4. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i.e. it's generally bad for kids to play violent games

      So be a good parent and don't let them. The price of convenience for lazy parents cannot and must not be the end of free speech for everyone else. The ratings system was and is a good compromise, it puts the tools into the hands of the parents to make their own decisions with regard to the welfare of their children and it should have ended with that. What I don't understand is why anyone would want to be on the side of limiting freedom of speech. The founding fathers were extremely wise in the considered trade-offs they made in those first ten amendments to the Constitution. They knew that some people would say things which they didn't agree with or didn't like hearing, but they had the foresight to realize the tremendous upside potential and value of free speech, even potentially objectionable speech, to the continuation of freedom and the democratic way of life. If you have to suffer the reality of violent video games, pron, and Rush Limbaugh so that free speech can continue then I say so be it.

    5. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a lot more to military conditioning than target practice or tactical training. While these things are comparable in some ways, there are significant differences.

      To be fair, even target practice and tactical training have to be done over when moved to the real world.

      You're not going to learn to shoot well enough to pass the marine corps' firearms tests through a video game, no matter how much time you spend or how much some people would like to believe that's the case.

      Last time I shot, over a decade ago, I was a fair shot, but I wouldn't personally think that the limited experience I had with a real rifle would prepare me for trying to pass that test. And that's real weapons work, not simulated conditions.

      Likewise with the tactics, a lot of that ends up being muscle memory and training in using ones senses as part of the strategy, you aren't going to learn that via a video game, ever. Perhaps one could learn the very basics, but I doubt that it would take even a day to teach that.

    6. Re:Good riddance to bad advocate by srjh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Close... the perigee becomes lower and the period becomes faster, so you will slowly overtake the ISS.

      Although the orbits intersect, when you get back to where you started, the ISS is slightly behind, so you won't run into it.

      It's actually another good example of a violation of common sense in orbital mechanics - you have to decelerate to speed your orbit up, and vice versa.

  13. Who will replace him? by idiot900 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Penny Arcade made a very good point a few years ago, when Thompson was threatening them:

    We are actually fortunate that the current actor is so impotent in his role. Imagine what might happen if some charming, efficacious attorney took his place. The more I consider it the more I think we may be lucky to have Jack playing the part of the alarmist. The alternative might be someone who is actually capable.

    Now that it is even more obvious that Thompson is a nutcase, who is going to take his place? Someone competent in that role? That is a scary thought.

  14. I hope he got well paid by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope he got well paid by Take Two for all his work in publicising Grand Theft Auto.

    --
    None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
  15. Getting rid of the competition by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well of course they made a move to disbar Jack Thompson. There can only be one king asshole and they certainly weren't going to let some schmuck hold the title.

  16. Re:Singlemindedness by gujo-odori · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why a right-winger? Left-wingers are at least as hostile to freedom of speech when the speech is something they dislike.

  17. IANAL by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This seems to be in Florida only.

    If he is disbarred there, can he pass the bar in another state?

    1. Re:IANAL by StaticEngine · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disbarment

      "However, under the American Bar Association's Model Rules of Professional Conduct, which have been adopted in most states, disbarment in one state or court is grounds for disbarment in a jurisdiction which has adopted the Model Rules."

  18. Re:Shaving was the problem. by Torvaun · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't kill someone with an electric shaver, you're not trying hard enough.

    --
    I see your informative link, and raise you a pithy comment.
  19. Re:Singlemindedness by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a supposed left winger, i agree. People who put their causes above all else are the problem here. Defending ideological territory at any cost is akin (isomorphic?) to religious zealotry.

    Displaying my supposed left-wingedness, i'll say that religions are fine, provided you don't shove them down everyone else's throats. The same goes for ideological platforms. Thankyou.

    --
    http://www.xkcd.com/354/
  20. Re:Shaving was the problem. by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be specific, it can be used as a blunt instrument in a blow to the temple or trachea. Removing the guard can allow it to cause lacerations, probably most effective when striking an eye. The batteries can be removed, shorted, and then ingested by the victim, potentially causing major internal damage. It can be held by the ends and used to choke the victim.

    --
    Not a sentence!
  21. Re:This story is misleading, nobody read the PDF? by Peyna · · Score: 3, Informative

    Congratulations, you can read the last page.

    The bit about costs is separate from the rest of the recommendation. If the Supreme Court adopts the referee's recommendation, he'll be disbarred for life. That's pretty much standard language they probably include where you temporarily lose your license if you don't pay the costs of the proceedings against you. If the final punishment was simply a reprimand, then the failure to pay would become more important. The costs issue is a separate punishment from the disbarment.

    In many states lawyers are suspended each year for failing to pay their bar dues. As soon as they pay them, they're reinstated.

    --
    What?
  22. Re:Shaving was the problem. by froon · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it. No more CSI for you.

  23. not the end by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think we've seen the last of Jack?

    I don't think so. They guy has found out you can make a living out of being an asshole, he's not likely to drop that recipe for success. My bet is that he'll be doing the pundit round next. He'll found some institute so his CV can read "former lawyer, now chairman and founder of the No More Violence Institute" or something like it, and then he'll go from TV station to TV station and spread his crap. Very few of them will tell their viewers about his disbarment.

    --
    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  24. You will see him on TV or in churches... by Dekortage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there anything to stop him from making the exact same amount of noise, but just hiring other lawyers to do the legal mumbo jumbo?

    Chances are he will hit the talk show circuit, particularly among conservatives, to give speeches about video games and the decline of civilization (or law) as we know it. I half expect him to show up at a local church and be proclaimed a prophet.

    And he'll write a book.

    --
    $nice = $webHosting + $domainNames + $sslCerts