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World's First Custom Firmware For Wii Released

Croakyvoice writes "Waninkoko has released the world's first custom firmware for the Nintendo Wii, which is installed using the twilight hack; among its features is the ability to allow writeable DVDs to be read in emulators. From the readme: 'The Custom Firmware installs as IOS249 and it does not modify any other IOS so it is secure to install and has been made to be used ONLY with homebrew software. This is a custom IOS, an IOS modified to add some new features not available in the official IOS.'"

165 comments

  1. IT'S ABOUT TIME by firespade · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Can't believe this is finally happened! I wonder how long it will take Nintendo to retaliate and apply a patch. What does it normally cost to get out of jail with that above your head?

    1. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jail? Your not serious are you?

      Just in case your not kidding, it is not illegal or even close to anything remotely criminal to put custom firmware on ANY PIECE OF ELECTRONICS THAT YOU OWN.

      That may just be what Sony is trying to push with their PR campaign throughout the world, which is that they have complete and total control of their equipment everywhere and to go against that is a crime... and kills puppies.

    2. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      I may be wrong, but I believe the twilight princess hack has already been officially patched but remember reading that you can revert. So I guess technically this is already patched. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    3. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Gewalt · · Score: 1

      I believe it took the scene about an hour to work around the official patch.

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    4. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      and kills puppies.

      You mean it doesn't?! Damn.

      All that wasted time...

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    5. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I mean that is the thing. Nintendo patches are kinda irrelevant in the long run as people often release workarounds within 24hours and/or backporting methods. This has seemed to be the trend for most of these console hacks of recent.

    6. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Mia'cova · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Um, doesn't the DMCA make it illegal to circumvent the Wii's anti-piracy protection? I'm no lawyer but this seems blatantly illegal in the US.

    7. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...yet the PlayStation 3 is the only gaming console that currently and actively supports the installation of alternate operating systems on it.

    8. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > actively supports the installation of alternate operating systems

      As long as you can live with a crippled virtual machine that only emulates a dumb framebuffer. No, I won't be buying a PS3 because they allow you to play in a sandbox. If I can't run accelerated 2D I wouldn't even ponder the notion. Notice that Xboxes make great MythTV frontends but the supposedly newer and 'Linux friendly' PS3 doesn't. And without full (3D) hardware access it isn't really an open platform.

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    9. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good question. That would be a tough argument for the prosecutor. You own the equipment out right, as in TOTALLY YOURS. Your property.

      I would say that completely overwriting the base software with your own is not "circumventing" anything and is not physically tampering with the hardware or software to *specifically* achieve the goal of bypassing copyright protection schemes. You would have to prove that the secondary effect of removing the copyright protection provided through factory firmware was in fact the primary goal that the person was trying to achieve. You would have to prove intent. A Modchip is a "blatant" attempt to circumvent copyright protection. You cannot interpret it any other way. Custom Firmware is not even in the same ballpark as a Modchip.

      What you also bring up is an underlying misconception that many people have, which is that homebrew and custom firmware's primary goal IS to circumvent copyright protection to facilitate and abet piracy (copyright infringment).

      The fundamental purpose of custom firmware is to use any given hardware *exactly* the way that you want to use it. It is not a criminally motivated behavior.

      Custom Firmware != Piracy. Custom Firmware != Copyright Protection Circumvention.

      In any case, if there was further legislation which provided punishments for you using the software of your choice with the hardware of your choice, I would say that the law itself is an unjust law. I would then wholeheartedly advocate civil disobediance with respect to that law. Yes, as you may already have guessed, I think the DMCA is unconstitutional and ethically bankrupt as far as laws go. However, I don't even think custom firmware for any game console is actually violating it in the first place.

    10. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly!

      I laugh myself silly anytime somebody says that Sony PS3 is an open platform. If THAT is an open platform than I can tell somebody that they can sleep over at my house.... in the backyard ... next to the trash cans, and still seem like a nice and hospitable guy.

      Sony is as much an open platform as a public kiosk is a home computer.

    11. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points. I am so tired of people claiming that the PS3 is somehow friendlier or more open than other consoles.

      The official Blessed-from-on-high firmware includes a deliberately and severely crippled VM that you can load stuff on. Nothing more. Not a bad feature to have; but not even close to "installation of alternate operating systems".

      For that matter, I think the PS3 might still be the least open of this generation of consoles. The Wii gets hacked around pretty routinely, and there are exploits for older xbox 360's but, so far as I've heard, the PS3 has no such hacks available.

    12. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by neokushan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, even if it is completely crippled, it's still a lot more open than any commercial console for the last 10 or 20 years has been.

      Saying the 360 is more open because it's been hacked is a little unfair, Microsoft in no way helped or guided anyone to hack it, it just so happens someone found a problem with the DVD-Rom's firmware that could be exploited fairly easily.
      Same for the wii, it's only open because someone found enough glitches to be able to open it. It'll soon happen to the PS3 (Although it must be said, Well done Sony for lasting THIS long, they apparently learned from their PSP botch up) and then we'll all be able to take full advantage of it.
      Personally, I can't wait for it to happen as the sheer raw power available in that console could make it the biggest hacker's dream for years to come.

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    13. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      It sure is in the USA. Modifying your devices in ways that defeat built-in Copyright protection schemes is illegal because of the DMCA.

      Who gets to define Copyright protection schemes? You certainly don't.

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    14. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      The PS3 does not have a spectacular video card. If you want to play with high end 3D graphics programming, go do it on your PC. The PS3 has a CBE chip and if you want to program one of those, you can do so on a PS3 freely and without breaking any rules.

      If you'd like a PS3 development kit to try your hand at 3D game development, you can order one of those from Sony.

      If you just want to do 3D on your desktop, then the PS3 is not the platform you're looking for. Yes, as a result of being designed primarily as a gaming system it has some limitations built in, some of which may very possibly be because of a certain third party's graphics hardware that that same third party won't release details on to Linux enthusiasts elsewhere either.

      That said, no matter how much FUD you sling, the PS3 still allows you to legally and without violating any licenses or agreements, install alternate OSs on its hard drive running inside its hypervisor. Personally, that's pretty cool to hack around with and I know I'm not the only one who enjoys playing with SPE programming.

      Feel free to believe that 3D graphics hardware is the be all and end all of systems programming though. You'd be wrong though.

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    15. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      Actually, the fix didn't even remove installed channels, just prevented the system from loading the specific savegame used by the twilight hack.

      Either the coder who fixed it did a sloppy job, or he left the actual vulnerability there on purpose.

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    16. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      Modifying the firmware isn't illegal of itself, unless the modification allows for the circumvention of copy protection. Since this modification apparently only allows for homebrew code execution, i don't think it applies..

      Of course, IANAL, and i haven't actually applied/played with the code of this mod. it's possible that wholesale piracy is now possible without hardware modification, but i'll still be buying games i like regardless.

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    17. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Shados · · Score: 1

      If you can run homebrew code, you had to break the protection that only allows the device to run signed software.

      They're putting it in gray area territory here: they broke the protection, but made it so it only work on software that users are authorised to copy... so its still breaking the protection, but for stuff no one will sue for.

      I feel it is a perfectly good compromise (I'm heavily against piracy, but while I don't use homebrew, I feel its good when homebrew is encouraged in opposition to piracy), especially since once they allowed homebrew, it was probably quite easy to allow pirated content, and they didn't. Hat off to them.

    18. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by firespade · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding me? Yes, it was a joke but in all fairness you can't possible believe that Nintendo would condone the use of the equipment where by allowing "writeable DVDs to be read in emulators" made available by a homebrew IOS changes?? Seriously that's anticipating piracy, ANYONE can figure that out.

    19. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      I just did some quick checking, and it's exactly as you have said.. The commercial keys are (apparently) known, and while it would still take some effort, all the stuff required for running commercial games appears to be available for anyone with the skills to make use of.

      I echo your sentiments. Hat of to them for opening up the possibility of simple homebrew without the piracy, even if it's just until someone releases a new version of the firmware.

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    20. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      "or he left the actual vulnerability there on purpose." --friends on the inside? That would be quite awesome!

    21. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking more along the lines of a sympathetic group who know that most software and hardware specialists like tinkering with this stuff in their spare time.

      In addition, Nintendo is in the unique position that a business case can be made for this action: The fact that the console is moddable with minimal effort means that more people will buy it for hackery, and since they still make a profit off each sale, they still make a profit. Oh, and they sell a copy of Twilight Princess too.

      Of course, they'd still have to keep the shareholders happy, hence the token gesture.

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    22. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > Feel free to believe that 3D graphics hardware is the be all and
      > end all of systems programming though. You'd be wrong though.

      I don't particularly want to play games on the damned thing. I said I'd even consider buying one if it had 2D that didn't suck ass. But video that is more on par with a plain VESA framebuffer just doesn't cut it.

      So you can go play with the SPUs on that closed VM they give ya and when the box is eventually cracked I'll have another look... but by then it probbaly won't be 'all that' anymore.

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    23. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      This firmware doesn't allow you to pirate games. It allows you to load homebrew software from DVD-RW discs as opposed to just DVD-Rs.

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    24. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      XBox doesn't invite you to install Linux. Sony does. Sony invites you to install Linux, gives you the tools, uses standard hardware, and even allows you to upgrade your HDD without voiding the warranty.

      You're saying XBox is an open platform where as Sony isn't. Sony's platform is open. The XBox was just hacked easier.

      Hacked is not the same thing as open.

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    25. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's no VM -- I'm not sure what you think you're on about. Maybe you should look at the IBM SDK documentation or the kernel development logs from the patches submitted to make things work on it.

      Yes, there's hardware restrictions in place, but you're running right on the hardware as far as the CPU's concerned. You get access to USB and the hard drive through kernel level drivers to the hardware through Sony's hypervisor, yes, and your video access is somewhat limited although despite Sony's not providing one, some people have had success with an accelerated 2D driver on the RSX.

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    26. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defense: custom firmware != piracy

      Prosecution: I'm making you out to be the bad guy

      Judge: verdict in favor of the prosecution

      You are right about civil disobedience with regards to something like this, but that would mean sacrificing yourself for the greater good. I would honestly suggest people not do so. Better to live in (little) fear than to (greatly) suffer.

    27. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      Naivety is not a valid argument in the court of law.

    28. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and you can add this to:

      Copyright holder: I want something completely incidental to piracy to be illegal as well.

      Public: Rights are harder to gain back once they are lost.

      Congress: Here's your laws, Mr. Copyright Holder.

    29. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 2, Informative

      This doesn't circumvent anti-piracy. This only allows homebrew to access the whole contents of a DVD unencrypted. Normally you would need a modchip to do so. As there isn't any method of booting pirated games through homebrew, this doesn't help piracy at all, just lets homebrew read DVDs, which I'm hoping leads to a homebrew DVD player for Wii.

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    30. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Saying the 360 is more open because it's been hacked is a little unfair, Microsoft in no way helped or guided anyone to hack it, it just so happens someone found a problem with the DVD-Rom's firmware that could be exploited fairly easily.

      The DVD firmware hacks don't make the Xbox open, they just let you play pirated games ... uh, sorry ... I mean "backed up" games. There was a hack that let you run Linux on it but that was sealed pretty quickly, a long time ago.

      The XBox is probably the most open of the consoles today, because Microsoft provided a supported path for people to write their own games or software for it, and they'll publish it on XBox Live if it passes some minimal quality bars (like not crashing or being full of porn). Anybody can download the XNA SDK and write their own game, and many people have. Despite the rather limited toolkit some of the results are very impressive. It's just too bad that they insist on you using a shitty C# compiler that couldn't optimize its way out of a wet paper bag, but nonetheless, the compiler/API is there and it's fully supported.

    31. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by neokushan · · Score: 1

      Actually the DVD-Rom hack is instrumental in running Linux and as far as I'm aware, if you're prepared to spend a few days brute forcing your CPU-ID, you can bypass any protection Microsoft has and downgrade your Firmware so that you may install Linux once again.
      Still, it's not as ideal as the original Xbox hacks and a "true" hack to install custom *nix has yet to be seen.
      As for XNA, it's a step forward, but it's still pretty limited. It's not as limited as Sony's *nix stuff, but it's not that far off.

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    32. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Dracker · · Score: 1

      Wrong. It allows you to load homebrew software from DVDs, -R, +R, -RW, whatever, as opposed to loading it from SD Card

    33. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      And without full (3D) hardware access it isn't really an open platform.

      Perhaps you should try telling that to the OpenMoko people.

    34. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Your an idiot and a troll. However, since you are holding out your hands with your name proudly worn on your little chest, I will feed you, with a little bit of my karma too if necessary.

      Naivety - lack of sophistication or worldliness. I hardly think that anything that I wrote would indicate that I lack sophistication or worldliness.

      Instead of throwing insults around, which would not hold much weight in a court of law (The movie Idiocy being an exception) try responding to the arguments.

      My position that installing custom firmware on YOUR HARDWARE is not a position which lacks sophistication. In fact it is a position that recognizes that the value of the hardware can often exceed the value of the software, and in FACT.. both values are separate. That you OWN the hardware, but are LICENSED to use the software. Sony CANNOT enforce an agreement, through any EULA (which is weak anyways) that governs your physical use of the hardware.

      The copyright protection scheme being provided by the licensed software only exists as long as you choose to use it. Installing a NEW and SEPARATE firmware onto YOUR hardware does not violate that license in any way shape or form. If that were true Microsoft could sue you for formatting your hard drive and installing Linux.

      My positions are both technically as well as legally sophisticated. They are reasonable positions, which may or may not, be ultimately proven correct in a court of law.

      Naivety is merely your childish attempt at attacking my arguments in ironically non sophisticated fashion.

    35. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      Good point. And with what I've read about the E3 showing and their apparent lack of desire to really make any more real games for the console maybe this would actually be a good angle to keep their sales going. I guess it is time to dust off the ol wii again.

    36. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are a total and complete fucking idiot and a coward. I don't care if that completely resets my karma on /. either. Fuck the anonymous posting, I will say it to your face.

      Better to live in (little) fear than to (greatly) suffer

      You are the reason why some men have the ability to dominate others through fear and violence. Because you are a PUSSY and will not stand up for your rights, or SUFFER FOR THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

      Thank the Heavens that Ghandi did not have your sentiment. That Martin Luther King did not stay home settling for a little fear instead of fighting for everyone's rights.

      It will be people like you that lead us all to oppressive fascist totalitarian governments. Becuase people get the government they deserve, and if you are willing to live in FEAR and SETTLE than you don't DESERVE FREEDOM.

      My god, fuck you. Seriously... Just fuck you. This has nothing to do with Sony or custom firmware either. Just your proposition that we live in fear rather than stand up for freedoms, or even our belief in freedoms, to gain temporary safety and security. Wow. Fuck YOU.

      You sit at home you little PUSSY. The rest of real MEN (including some pretty awesome Women too) will be outside risking our lives, liberty, and property to make sure little fuckers like you have some freedoms left.

    37. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it would violate the DMCA because even though you think you own the console outright, you buy it according to Nintendo's licensing agreements, so you basically are contracted with them by purchasing the nintendo. You therefore cannot circumvent the copy-protection in any way without violating the DMCA. I agree though, I believe the DMCA is unconstitutional, but the courts haven't found so yet, and yes you could be prosecuted for installing a mod chip on your own machine.

      Also it doesn't matter if the behavior is criminally motivated or not, there is no intent factor in the DMCA. if you violate it, you violate it. end of story. Also copyright safe harbor provisions like fair use have been very narrowly construed and its unlikely that would save you.

    38. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't mean to get you so incensed. I'm glad your dictionary is working... well, at least for my words. I'd meant to write naivete (with an accent aigu) and I'm glad you caught that typo, AND learned a new big people word!

      While I hate to get off topic, I can't help but find it wildly amusing that you call me an idiot and a troll, and then suggested that I stop 'throwing insults around', and proceed to involve irony.

      Regardless of how 'sophisticated' you feel your positions are, they've been argued in the court of law, in larger first world countries, and failed. People contravening satellite security were saying the same thing for years, as were those creating, selling and installing mod chips, hell even softmods are illegal. The way you think the law should be, and the way the lawyers properly interpret the law (whether you agree with it or not) are two completely different things. While I may agree with your stance, the court of law does not.

      Oh, and, Microsoft *CAN* sue you for formatting your hard drive and installing Linux as you're circumventing their copy protection and security measures to install it. They just don't, as it's probably not a good idea on their part, for many reasons.

    39. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the earful. Your words almost make me feel like going back to your side of things. I agree with your feelings it's just that I'm no longer going to outlet them by fighting back. I may not deserve freedom if I'm not going to fight for it, but I'm not going to fight for it whenever I'm just going to lose and end up in poverty. It sucks, I hate it, and it goes against everything we are raised to believe, but logically it is true. I suppose you would still strongly disagree, but this is a choice that you have to accept people will make.

    40. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Taulin · · Score: 1

      Altering something does violate copyright, though. It is up to the creator to determine what is altering also. Case in point, a guy created a bust statue for a school. The school put a hat and things on it, and the sculptor asked them to take it off, the school said no. He sued for copyright infringement and won.

    41. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by brkello · · Score: 1

      Not that the guy wasn't an idiot...but aren't you taking the whole I'm a man and you are a pussy thing too far? What are you doing in this noble crusade of yours...pirating video games? Posting things on Slashdot? I am sure you are sacrificing yourself to save us all....right...

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    42. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by ActusReus · · Score: 1

      You sit at home you little PUSSY. The rest of real MEN (including some pretty awesome Women too) will be outside risking our lives, liberty, and property to make sure little fuckers like you have some freedoms left.

      Uhh... while I pretty much agree and all... come on. You're not marching through Tibet and staring down Chinese tanks or something. You're hacking a video game console, not exactly "risking your life". Yes, yes, I know... mod me down because I don't understand that it's THE EXACT SAME THING IN PRINCIPLE and all. Hyperbole, much?

    43. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Falkkin · · Score: 1

      ... from the just-added-yourself-to-the-terrorist-watch-list-but-hopefully-it-was-worth-it dept. :)

    44. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

      Somehow we ended up with a society of people so conditioned to their constant safety and comfort that they take everything else for granted.

      * Our forefathers are turning in their graves.

      * These people should be shipped off to the third world.

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    45. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Well your wrong. Period.

      I was being sarcastic, but Microsoft CANNOT sue for installing, formatting, uninstalling operating systems on hardware that you own. The fact that you believe that means you think that copyright protection schemes can be used as a "lock" on any hardware regardless of whether or not the software manufacturer owns it.

      That the simple act of removing software that contains copyright protection code creates a criminal act is lunacy.

      I doubt that you would have many supporters for that position, and the reason that Microsoft does not sue is that they have NO LEGAL STANDING TO DO SO AND WOULD LOSE IN A COURT OF LAW IN ANY COUNTRY.

      Additionally, custom firmware is not a software mod.

    46. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      My rather passionate response has NOTHING to do with pirating video games in any way shape or form.

      It was 100% related to his suggestion that instead of fighting unjust laws and powerful people that we should settle for a little fear and less freedoms to enjoy temporary security. That behavior is cowardice. Now maybe the whole "I'm a man thing and pussy thing" was a little to far. Like I said I got PASSIONATE about it.

      In any case it is that behavior itself that tends to keep people living in fear and oppression. If you believe in certain freedoms strongly, there should be no limits as to how much you should suffer to protect them for yourself AND OTHERS.

      This goes so far beyond just video games and piracy. I don't support piracy at all. Rather I support the freedom to own and use your hardware in any way you see fit.

      I believe that we all have a right to peaceful enjoyment of our property. I am a strong supporter of anonymity and privacy. If you believe a law is unjust, you MUST perform civil disobediance and/or jury nullification to protest it.

      Maybe I am an activist in regards to certain positions. So was Ghandi, and Martin Luther King. All the people that died in World War II fighting the Nazi's died to protect freedoms.

      I am perfectly willing to take risks and suffer if I believe it will help freedoms for us all.

      So I understand your response, but sincerely, this is not about pirating video games and I said that in the post.

    47. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I would wear that like a badge of honor! :)

      In all seriousness though, I don't care if I have a file someplace or if I am on a list somewhere. I will not live in fear and I will never sacrifice my own freedoms, or my belief in freedoms that others should have just so that I can feel a little safer in my own home tonight.

      If they are going to come for me, then let it happen. I would advise them though, to brings lots of firepower :P

      I am NOT trying to compare myself to Martin Luther King, who was a great man. However, I aspire to have the courage to speak out and take personal risks to defend freedoms like he did. It is well known that Hoover hated him and Martin Luther Kind was on plenty of "lists" in the government. I could only hope that those who would seek to take away our freedoms consider me such a threat.

    48. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I don't live in China. If I did I WOULD have been at Tienanmen Square staring down a tank.

      Please don't devalue what I said since the posting itself originated from an argument about video game consoles. It goes far beyond that. I am willing to fight for privacy, anonymity, our rights to 100% control our property and our lives.

      I am sure you could see a LOT of hyperbole in my post, and in all fairness, I was quite passionate while writing it. However, I will walk the walk and not just talk the talk here, you can be sure of that.

      I know that you are not "risking your life" putting custom firmware on your own property (which is not hacking BTW). The original poster THOUGHT he was risking his freedom though to do so and was willing to settle in exchange for temporary safety. It really is not about video games at all, but the fact he was not willing to stand up for something that he believed in since he was afraid they might come and get him.

      I appreciate your skepticism and where it is coming from, but I am serious and genuine about it.

    49. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I suppose you would still strongly disagree, but this is a choice that you have to accept people will make.

      Maybe so. I do have to accept that... some people will not take risk to fight for their freedoms.

      However, I think you should consider the 12 years in Germany before the end of World War II. There were plenty of people that felt how you do now. However, the situation was in a continual state of escalating horror. I think that if you confronted some of the people who were unwilling to stand up and fight in the beginning and asked them after it was all over if they were willing to take the ultimate risk in hindsight you would find a different answer.

      Whether or not your deserve your freedom, I will die to make sure that you have it. I have to be on the "front lines" of the war to protect our freedoms, and make no mistake.. it is a war. My only other choice is to settle and live in fear. I just can't do it. I would rather die fighting.

      So just consider at what point you think it will get bad enough, what kind of personal loss it will take, to push you over the line to action. How much harder do you think it will be at that point versus right now?

      Clearly I speak of a slippery slope, and maybe with a good deal of hyperbole. However, I think I am right. It starts small.

      Maybe you personally did not deserve such strong condemnation and I apologize for that. I will continue fighting, for you and everyone else. Who knows? Maybe one day you will back on "my side". There's plenty of room.

    50. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      LOL, just because you don't believe something shouldn't be law, doesn't mean it's not. For all your huffing, puffing, and insisting I'm wrong, it doesn't change civil law.

      The act of circumventing copy protection, for whatever reason, is against the DMCA. Period.

    51. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      "The act of circumventing copy protection, for whatever reason, is against the DMCA. Period."

      changing firmware is not removing copy protection, that is the flaw in your argument.

      by your logic, everyone with a WRT54G is breaking the law when they change their firmware to linux.

      You do have a point, but it's a misplaced one, you didn't look at the argument properly.

    52. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by AkaKaryuu · · Score: 1

      While I don't completely agree with your presentation, I do commend you for being stern with your believes. It isn't often someone has passion for something so deep. I'm glad I don't have mod points because I'm not sure how I would mod that XP

    53. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      circumventing copy protection != removing copy protection

    54. Re:IT'S ABOUT TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you say... So, what have you done to fight all those forces of evil (if I may use a cliche)?

  2. I just don't understand. by CubeRootOf · · Score: 0

    I really don't get why people go through all this trouble to hack up the wii to do things it wasn't meant to.

    Maybe someone can explain with more than just 'because we can!' or 'because nintendo locked us out!'.

    I could understand the xbox, and the ps3, as those are superiour graphical environments where you are getting great hardware at a significant discount. The wii's selling point is the great cool new interface to playing games. Hack that up all you want: Wiimote hacking is awesome. but why hack the hardware that talks to it, and isn't that much more advanced than the gamecube, to do things that it just isn't all that great at in the first place?

    1. Re:I just don't understand. by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is the Mt Everest answer and there is the "it isn't as weak as you make it out to be" answer. I don't plan on installing this firmware (not till the first wave of guiniea pigs test it for me ^_^), but I do have several Wiibrew games installed, some of which are WiiPorts of old games that have been released to the wild (GPL'ed or put in the public domain) and though the Wii homebrew scene isn't quite as polished as say the DS homebrew scene, they still have some impressive things out already.

      In the end though, the real question is "why not?" Do you only drive your car from home to work and back again? Sometimes something doesn't have to have a strict utility or direct benefit to have fun doing it.

    2. Re:I just don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the Wii doesn't have all the flashy graphics the PS3 and Xbox360 do, but what homebrew game really uses the full graphics capability anyhow?

      Most homebrews look like old nintendo or maybe a slightly more modern system's game, but nothing like EA Sports Madden, and those are things the Wii can display just fine.

      Why create Emulators for old systems? Your PC will play games that will blow the graphics out of the water? It's the fun of playing these games. Graphics aren't everything, as I'm sure many people here can attest to

    3. Re:I just don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piracy. Also backups, emulator playing (that can be or not piracy), using various open source programs. Basically like a pc instead of being $COMPANY bitches.

    4. Re:I just don't understand. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      So you can write your own game that uses the wiimote?

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    5. Re:I just don't understand. by skamunisM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you only drive your car from home to work and back again?

      These days I sure do!

    6. Re:I just don't understand. by gblfxt · · Score: 0

      when the new wii's come out, it will give us something to do with the old ones!

    7. Re:I just don't understand. by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually no you can't. It was even stated in the summary this only works for homebrew software, not comercial rips, and on purpose. The people who are doing most of the cool stuff in the Wii Homebrew scene are fairly ethical folk.

      What this should mean however, is now people can start making DVD's of their homebrew software and popping it in like a normal game instead of having to cram everything in a 'small' memory card.

    8. Re:I just don't understand. by electricbern · · Score: 1

      I could understand the xbox, and the ps3,

      I don't have a xbox nor a ps3, you insensitive clod!

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    9. Re:I just don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, when your brother buys a wii and you are an anti DRM free software fanatic, things start making sense.

    10. Re:I just don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod Parent Down.

      That isn't the reason to do this, This particular step will now allow us to do some crazy stuff like WATCH DVDs on the Wii I could only assume, also it will allow for people to get deeper into the hacking possibly even enabling a Hard Drive so that we could play the games and have a Hard Drive too.

      This is a step in the direction of opening this up the way that the R4 Card opened up the abilities of the DS to things like MP3s and EBooks, at least for me...

    11. Re:I just don't understand. by CogDissident · · Score: 1

      Because, you know, the summary didn't link to a place where they had an adapter for this program, that specifically lets you run gamecube iso images. And making an app for it that loads up an ISO image, wouldn't be really that hard. Just the fact that it can do this, means that is around the corner.

    12. Re:I just don't understand. by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 1

      Then you aren't living.

    13. Re:I just don't understand. by SargentDU · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, the GP is probably living life more than you are. :)

    14. Re:I just don't understand. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I suppose it won't even defeat the regular region lock?

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    15. Re:I just don't understand. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Might have been a reference to the PS3 ad campaign or might have been me reading too much into it.

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    16. Re:I just don't understand. by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Graphics aren't everything, as I'm sure many people here can attest to.

      I would attest to that, but it appears I've been eaten by a grue.

      Heck, just for nostalgia I occasionally whip out the ol' Trash-80 emulator and play Raaka-Tu every so often, or Bedlam...

      Ditto for the DOS games. When a game is still enjoyable 20 years later, THAT, my friends, is value.

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    17. Re:I just don't understand. by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      If you think the XBox is a good choice, then why not the Wii? The Wii is 3 times stronger than the XBox.

    18. Re:I just don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you need special software to do that.

    19. Re:I just don't understand. by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having not used it, I can't attest that it works perfectly. But you don't need this firmware to do that, there is already a homebrew 'region free' app out there.

      This firmware isn't what is needed to run custom code, it's just an additional layer of the onion being pealed back to allow people to do more with their Wii.

      If you aren't familiar with the state of homebrew on the Wii, here's a quick and only partially informed synopsis. I'm not hooked in sufficently to have history book accuracy.

      Near the begining of the year, folk discovered a bug in Zelda:Twilight Princess that allowed them to do a stack smash and allow them to bypass the code that prevents 'unauthorized' programs from running. However, at that time you had to use the bug each time you wanted to load a program.

      About a month ago, a team of coders released a custom built channel (The Homebrew Channel - HBC) that could be installed using the TP hack. The channel allowed you to launch homebrew apps from your memory card directly, (i.e. once installed you didn't need the TP hack).

      Thats when alot of the programs avaliable right now took off.

      This firmware is the next level. Another layer of the onion being pealed back. As I understand it, the Wii actually keeps a copy of all the versions of firmware that are installed on it, for compatibility purposes, and loads the version games specificly ask for. So this doesn't actually do anything directly except allow programs that are written to ASK for the new firmware to enjoy the new level of access provided. That's why you can't use this to play copies, because the copy of the game would still be asking for the offical Nintendo firmware, which would then detect that it's a copy.

      I'm at work right now so I can't look up the name of the region free program. I believe it's something similar to "Gecko Region Free".

      From reading about it, it sounded as if you just launched the program, then inserted your imported game and hit a button to reset the machine. From there, you were good to go as long as the game didnt' try to install region specific stuff (i.e. like the WiiFit channel or system updates from Smash Bros) and even then there were work arounds.

    20. Re:I just don't understand. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      AFAIK copies of Zelda TP still go for over 50 Euros, is there any cheaper game that would allow installing the HBC? Some of those shitty shovelware games are bound to have a weakness and shovelware gets discounted pretty fast...

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    21. Re:I just don't understand. by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      The only game someone has written the requisite savegame file to enable taking advantage of the bug is TP. The people who are currently maintaining that have stated that it'd be fairly easy for them to find other games should Nintendo actually come up with a way to block this bug in TP. But I imagine it's easier to use a game actually published by Nintendo than a shovelware game that might be cheaper but no one can find.

    22. Re:I just don't understand. by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      So, you think that all those who own a Wii and want to run/make fun and free homebrew games and stuff, should go and buy themselves an expensive PS3 or XB360 for that purpose instead of hacking their Wii for a low cost or even for free?

      That's more or less what's it all about.
      There are fun stuff to do with any console that the creators of that console don't make any money from and thus want to prevent you from doing.

      For some, it's the fun of making it do something it was designed specifically not to do.

      For some, it's the fun of making their own games instead of simply playing what other has made.

      For some, it's the fun of having access to lots of free games, instead of the 1 - 2 games per year that they might have had the economy to buy otherwise.

      For some, it's simply the fact that they want to be able to run pirated copies of games for free.

      Or any combination of the above.

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    23. Re:I just don't understand. by Erwos · · Score: 1

      The point you missed, I think, is that you can also overwrite an existing firmware. You'd have to be halfway insane to do so, as there's still no way to bring back a truly bricked console (sans something like an Infectus chip), but there's no technical reason I'm aware of that you couldn't patch the various IOS versions _in place_ to ignore the DVD checks. Frankly, from the descriptions I've read, it doesn't even seem that hard to do if you've got the right skills.

      So, you're right that this custom IOS isn't going to enable softmod-style piracy on its own, but it's almost certainly an indicator that it'll be possible by the end of the year, and probably widespread by mid-2009.

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    24. Re:I just don't understand. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I just rented it, and then installed the homebrew channel. After you install the homebrew channel you don't need Zelda anymore. I may need to rent again if they put out another update for the Wii, but I think over time I'll save money, or they'll come out with another game you can use.

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    25. Re:I just don't understand. by giostickninja · · Score: 1

      The last time I pulled out my Trash-80, I found out my external 5 1/4 floppy drive stopped working. (It's a CoCo 2) I was so depressed that I havn't started the probably futile process of attepting to find a replacement. If only I could find all my old tapes, at least I could still USE the thing---although I'm not sure I trust the reliability of good ol' fashioned magnetic tape.

  3. But can it... by corychristison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... play DVD's?

    That's the only feature missing on the Wii, in my opinion, anyway.

    1. Re:But can it... by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      They have/are working on ports of Mplayer, I haven't installed it yet but given it can handle dvd's and this firmware will allow access to the DVD, it sounds reasonable to believe that if you can't yet, it's only a matter of time.

    2. Re:But can it... by AsnFkr · · Score: 1

      Take this with a grain of salt, as it may just be made up crap I read on the internet: I have been under the impression constant reading of the Wii laser is bad for the assembly for whatever reason (uh, cheap manufacturing perhaps?) and this is a reason DvD playback has not actually been included by Nintendo or focused on heavily in the homebrew community. If I had a wishlist that could be filled on Wii features, I'd rather have a nice stable network aware "media center" that can stream video and mp3's. Another cool feature would be the ability to use a mounted HDD or a USB memory stick at the least to add more internal storage to the Wii so I can keep more WiiWare games...at 250+ blocks the damn thing fills up fast. Last, someone will hopefully come up with something that will load Wii game images over a network or a USB-medium...and this will be amazing. I won't ever have to stand up to swap games again and I can't wait for that to develop. If I could program my way out of a cardboard box I'd work on it, but I'm really too lazy to learn. Haha.

    3. Re:But can it... by Tryfen · · Score: 1

      Really? The Wii is limited to 480p - so that's a rubbish picture for those of us in PAL territories. The sound is limited to stereo - so no DD or DTS. Considering an £20 DVD will have digital sound and better quality - why bother using the Wii in that way?

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    4. Re:But can it... by dunezone · · Score: 1

      The reason for no DVD playback is that the drive was designed for short reads not constant reading. If the current Wii drive is used to play DVDs you will either wear it out or it will burn out. That's why Nintendo kept telling people who asked about DVD playback they would have to do some manufacturing changes to allow it.

    5. Re:But can it... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Really? The Wii is limited to 480p - so that's a rubbish picture for those of us in PAL territories. The sound is limited to stereo - so no DD or DTS. Considering an £20 DVD will have digital sound and better quality - why bother using the Wii in that way?

      As you say you will probably get more out of a dedicated DVD player, but it can't really hurt if does play DVDs.

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    6. Re:But can it... by BobNET · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Really? The Wii is limited to 480p - so that's a rubbish picture for those of us in PAL territories. The sound is limited to stereo - so no DD or DTS. Considering an £20 DVD will have digital sound and better quality - why bother using the Wii in that way?

      I have a standard definition TV in an NTSC region with only two speakers hooked up to it, you insensitive clod!

    7. Re:But can it... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's get this straight.

      The drive in the Wii is NOT a DVD drive. In a DVD drive, the speed changes so the laser reads at the same speed all throughout the disk. This puts a strain on the motor (different speed and etc)

      A Wii drive does NOT spin at different speeds, only one. The laser reads at variable speeds all throughout the disk. This makes the drive like a tank.

      One is not the other, at least not without a firmware mod.

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    8. Re:But can it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take this with a grain of salt, as it may just be made up crap I read on the internet:

      It's made up crap you read on the Internet. Like most made up crap, though, there's a grain of unrelated truth. The Wii's firmware drives the disc at a constant velocity, no matter what track is being read. This is different from regular DVD drives that spin the disc faster or slower depending on the track. The latter puts more strain on the motor, which often causes the drives to fail faster. Thus the Wii's design is for reliability purposes.

      Remember all the drive failures in PS2 models? Well, we'd definitely see a higher rate of drive failures if Nintendo supported DVD playback. In addition, Nintendo would need to add MPEG decoder hardware or software. At a minimum that would be additional licensing fees that would drive up the cost of each unit. At a maximum, that would mean licensing PLUS extra decoder chips.

      So in effect, no DVD support is a practical measure. With DVD drives being plentiful, there's no realistic reason why anyone actually needs their Wii to support such a feature.

    9. Re:But can it... by merreborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But can it... play DVD's?

      That's the only feature missing on the Wii, in my opinion, anyway.

      Really? At home, I've got two laptops, a desktop, a PlayStation 2, and a DVD/VCR combo -- all of which play DVDs. The fact that my Wii does not also play DVDs has not been an issue.

      Hell, I didn't even find out that it doesn't play DVDs I read it on the 'net, months after having purchased my unit.

      Are there really that many people who would purchase Wiis that don't already have a DVD player set up? When you can pick one up at Wal Mart for $40 or less...

      IMO, the biggest thing working against the Wii is that it's being treated as a last-gen console by many developers. The Wii port of Guitar Hero 3 had graphics worse than the PS2 version of GH2. Rockband for Wii has no online capability whatsoever, even though GH3 had some, and GH4 is planned to have full online capability on Wii.

      It seems like the development process these days is:

      1. Develop original version for PS3/Xbox360
      2. Backport to PS2, cutting out features and reduce graphical complexity
      3. Port PS2 version to Wii

      Which really shortchanges Wii owners. Yes, the console is far less capable by the PS3/Xbox360... but it's far more capable than the PS2. Try to fully utilize the hardware. Please.

    10. Re:But can it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. The Wii spins the disc at Constant Angular Velocity, which means that it is far better designed for constant reads. DVDs are spun up and down at Constant Linear Velocity. Which makes the electronics simpler, but puts a lot more wear and tear on the motor. Thus the PS2 drives that failed during its early lifetime vs. the low rate of Wii drive failures.

    11. Re:But can it... by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      The reason its not an official feature is that they'd have to pay royalties if it could play DVDs, and there's no reason to either add that to the cost or subtract it from their profits, everyone already has a DVD player.

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    12. Re:But can it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Constantly reading the DVD does produce heat, which can be a problem in a tight package like the Wii.

    13. Re:But can it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Constantly reading the DVD does produce heat, which can be a problem in a tight package like the Wii.

      Which is why the Wii has proper ventilation. There are large vents out the back and bottom of the unit. These allow heat to be dissipated while hiding the bottom vents with a stand underneath the unit. (Check it out sometime. The stand has a huge hole in it and notches on the side.)

      Heat with the Wii is primarily a problem when it's "turned off" in WiiConnect24 mode.

    14. Re:But can it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, so the Wii can't play my DVDs with resolution better than the DVDs themselves? Horror

    15. Re:But can it... by CottonThePirate · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's about boxes around the TV and connectors on the back of it. I use my xbox to play DVDs. Sure I could get a DVD player for $30, but why would I want an extra remote, extra box, extra connection etc.

    16. Re:But can it... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Nope but a console playing DVDs is sort of like an appliance that has a clock display. There are so many that it is no longer an important feature.
      My PS/2 Plays DVDs. My DVD player plays DVDs, My HDDVD player plays DVDS "It was cheap", and my XBox plays DVDs. I need the Wii the wii to play DVDs.....
      Now if it could play Divx from a network share that would be useful.

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    17. Re:But can it... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh. Wii carries Dolby ProLogic 2, like the GameCube.

    18. Re:But can it... by Handlarn · · Score: 3, Informative

      A PAL DVD is 576p.

    19. Re:But can it... by corychristison · · Score: 1

      My PS/2 Plays DVDs. My DVD player plays DVDs, My HDDVD player plays DVDS "It was cheap", and my XBox plays DVDs. I need the Wii the wii to play DVDs.....

      The only thing I own out of that list is my Wii...

      Case in point.

    20. Re:But can it... by realisticradical · · Score: 1

      Ok, I get what you're saying. I just don't understand what it is about a laser reading at variable speeds that makes something act like a tank.

    21. Re:But can it... by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      So would this spinning interfere with the ability to play DVDs using homebrew software?

    22. Re:But can it... by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Gawd I hate having to swap my Xbox and Wii out all the time. At least the PS3 has HDMI.

    23. Re:But can it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      It's just a firmware change. Either the hackers are updating the firmware on their DVD burners, or they're updating the drive firmware in the Wii to support both methods of reading.

    24. Re:But can it... by merreborn · · Score: 1

      It's about boxes around the TV and connectors on the back of it. I use my xbox to play DVDs. Sure I could get a DVD player for $30, but why would I want an extra remote, extra box, extra connection etc.

      Allow me to emphasize:

      I use my xbox to play DVDs

      That's my point. You already have a DVD player. You only have one input on your TV? Buy a switch box.

    25. Re:But can it... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Then you don't have a problem unless you go buying some DVDs!

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    26. Re:But can it... by Nursie · · Score: 1

      No it isn't.

      I'm no fan of the Wii Graphics - frankly on an HDTV they look shit - but it can do 576p, a little better.

    27. Re:But can it... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Nintendo would need to add MPEG decoder hardware or software. At a minimum that would be additional licensing fees that would drive up the cost of each unit.

      Which is why the DVD Video Channel would probably cost 2000 Wii Points if Nintendo made one.

    28. Re:But can it... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      One less thing sitting on my entertainment center springs to mind.

      They can solve their issue with buffering.

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    29. Re:But can it... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      My PS3 upscales DVDs and plays DivX from network shares. It also plays BD movies.

      Just saying :-)

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    30. Re:But can it... by chrb · · Score: 1

      Let's get this straight.

      The drive in the Wii is NOT a DVD drive. In a DVD drive, the speed changes so the laser reads at the same speed all throughout the disk. This puts a strain on the motor (different speed and etc)

      You're talking about constant angular velocity" (CAV) versus constant linear velocity (CLV). Only old CD-ROM drives and DVD writers use CLV. A modern DVD or CD drive will use CAV when reading a disc.

    31. Re:But can it... by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      If your TV doesn't have more than 2 inputs, maybe you need a new TV... Mine's got 3 HDMI, 2 Component Video, 2 Composite, 1 S-Video, VGA, and coax in, as well as optical and coax digital audio out.

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    32. Re:But can it... by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      No need to get a new TV. There are plenty of multi-input boxes that one could buy. Some even have IR/RF remote capability.

    33. Re:But can it... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Yes but it doesn't play MarioKart, Mario Galaxy, BoomBlox, or Wii Fit.
      And it cost more than my HDDVD and my Wii combined.
      I may get one someday because my wife loves SingStar.

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    34. Re:But can it... by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      I have a good TV. It has 3 HDMI, but only one of the component inputs has sound analog sound. Unfortunately for me, the Xbox only supports optical digital and the Wii has no digital out at all. What I really need is a decent sound system.

    35. Re:But can it... by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Could always use an upgrade though :)

    36. Re:But can it... by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've installed it but haven't run it but after this firmware I think it should be fairly easy.

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    37. Re:But can it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Set up DVD player to stream content via a local webserver.
      2) Fire up the wii browser and go to the webserver address.
      3) ????
      4) Profit!

    38. Re:But can it... by corychristison · · Score: 1

      I don't think the browser can play video content... maybe FLV, but that's pushing it even.

    39. Re:But can it... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      This is different from regular DVD drives that spin the disc faster or slower depending on the track. The latter puts more strain on the motor, which often causes the drives to fail faster.

      Puts a strain on the motor? Drive motors are almost exclusively DC brushless using electronically driven commutation and are usually phase locked to an on board frequency reference. Changes necessary to accommodate variable motor speed include an adjustable reference frequency and appropriate feedback loop compensation.

      Maybe the slightly more complicated design for variable speed is significant for something built to typical consumer reliability standards?

    40. Re:But can it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the electronics of it, I'm taking about physical wear on the rotating parts. Constant changes in velocity cause all kinds of interesting stresses on a motor under load. This sort of situation is regularly seen with power generators vs. car engines. Power generators tend to maintain a constant rotational velocity while in use and thus tend to have lifetimes that measure in decades. Car engines, on the other hand, change rotational velocity regularly and very suddenly. As a result, car engines have significantly shorter operating lifetimes than your typical generator.

      Of course, there's no denying that consumer quality parts result in shorter lifespans for DVD drives. However, the Wii contains the exact same motors and mechanisms used in consumer DVD drives. Thus the drive is engineered for CLV operation, but Nintendo gets much better lifetime out of the drive by reprogramming it for use in CAV operation. Which means far fewer repair orders than competing consoles with DVD Playback features.

    41. Re:But can it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [quote]That's my point. You already have a DVD player. You only have one input on your TV? Buy a switch box.[/quote]

      Indeed. A switch for component video (such as the one I bought for my SD TV) is $40 at most. You can buy the "high quality" ones for several hundred dollars, but chances are there isn't any difference.

    42. Re:But can it... by CottonThePirate · · Score: 1

      I have only one connector of every type. I have a slightly older HDTV (2 years or so) when connectors weren't as common. I have one HDMI, one component, one s-video etc. For a long time I didn't have an xbox and just had a Wii. The DVD player functionality was one of the things that I bought the Xbox for (among many others, but it was a factor). For a while I had a component switch box that sucked, good HDMI ones are fairly pricey, and I like the look of less junk around my TV.

    43. Re:But can it... by Acapulco · · Score: 1

      I believe he's talking about how constant linear velocity will make the motor much more reliable and last longer.
      Which is something Nintendo knows how to do (in my experience at least)

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    44. Re:But can it... by nxtw · · Score: 1

      Dolby Pro Logic II is matrixed surround audio carried over 2ch stereo. It is not a great substitute for an actual AC3 or DTS track.

    45. Re:But can it... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Car engines are have large reciprocating masses yielding significant dynamic stresses not to mention the difficult physical environment that they operate in, need to save weight, and consumer level construction. The stresses are great enough that significant engineering goes into attempting to balance them out using clever piston configurations and reciprocating weights at considerable cost. Large scale reciprocating diesel engines fair better but do to their application areas can more easily be overbuilt. Brushless DC motors in contrast have no reciprocating parts.

      I have to question whether the added minuscule stresses caused by CLV torque changes would even measurably affect reliability in all but the most fragile DVD drive design. What are the most common failure modes for commodity CD and DVD drives anyway? The ones that come to mind include laser diode wear out for writers, dust contamination, overheating, and power semiconductor failure do to poor power supply regulation. Modern drives have balance mechanisms for handing unbalanced CDs and DVDs when operated at high speed but they are unrelated to CLV or CAV operating mode.

    46. Re:But can it... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Any idea on where to get a cheap one for a good price? Sorry, but $20 for what basically amounts to a 4 way switch is just outrageous. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to get these things at the dollar store. Actually, come to think of it, I haven't checked the dollar store. Maybe they do have them.

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    47. Re:But can it... by marcansoft · · Score: 2, Informative

      It can't, unless you have a modchip and are willing to develop a DVD-playing application. There's rampant misinformation on this, as usual.

      Let's set a few things straight:

      • Currently, there is no public method for reading DVD-Rs on an unmodded Wii.
      • This isn't the first "Custom Firmware" (I hate that word) for the Wii. Not even close. Not even the first public one. Or, alternately, this isn't and there has never been a true wii Custom Firmware, depending on how you look at it.
      • The "Custom Firmware" is only a small patch to the firmware that does two things: disable signature checks and disable a certain read restriction on the DVD code. What this does is let you use standard-format DVD-Rs (i.e. ISO9660 or Video DVDs) with the DVD drive on the Wii, but you still need a modchip.
      • The difference between this firmware and the original is exactly 5 bytes. 4 for the DVD maximum read restriction (an unsigned int), and one code byte patch for the signature disable. Hardly earth-shattering.

      We released a legal open source firmware patcher some time ago. Approximately three days before this purpoted "custom firmware" came out, svpe had added the DVD restriction removal patch to it (this was in response to an outright modification to an older firmware, released with the original code and hence illegally, by nitrotux, which he distributed with a disc dumper, but our patcher patches all of the recent versions of the firmware which use a completely different subroutine for the check, so the patch is different even though the result is the same). The first revision of Waninkoko's "custom firmware" was so hastily done that it was basically a PPF patch over the original firmware. Except it's encrypted. And he even changed the key. Hence, the patch was useless and he ended up distributing the entire patched-and-reencrypted file in the form of the patch (the entire patcher was 2MB, which is the size of the entire firmware). The fact that he made this trivial mistake makes me think that he did this very quickly and stole the patches from the open source patchmii (the DVD patch is identical except for the actual number involved in the restriction, and the signature check disable patch, which is relatively hard to find and there are several ways of doing it, is exactly the same). He later released a newer version without the blatant patch fuckup which is presumably legal to distribute now, although it still requires people to rip the original firmware from a recent game (whereas our open source patcher automatically downloads it from Nintendo's servers).

      Now onto the news. Recently, we actually did figure out a way of reading DVD-Rs without a modchip (!). Since this can be used for piracy (and could potentially cause quite an increase in it, since a free simple non-warranty-voiding pirate-game-playing hack is very appealing compared to the current modchip situation), we have tried to contact Nintendo about it (privately and publicly). If they ignore us, then we'll probably release an open source library and tools that will let Wii homebrew read information from a DVD-R on any Wii, modchip or not.

      For anyone trying to draw parallels between the PSP and the Wii, I suggest this article. As for the PSP emulator, I'll believe it when I see more than a single screenshot.

    48. Re:But can it... by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. A Wii drive can read normal DVDs just fine physically. The only differences are in the disc authentication (BCA / copy protection) and in the odd sector format. The physical characteristics are just different ways of reading the discs and do not have anything to do with all of this.

    49. Re:But can it... by F'Nok · · Score: 1

      Wii does:
      Two SDTV modes: 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL).
      One EDTV mode: 480p.

      No 576p is provided.
      I run my Wii in 480p to my HDTV to prevent flicker.

  4. Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is total bullshit. We should run Waninkoko out of town so he can hide in a cave and fiddle with other people's code... Like he already does. THIEF. This is garbage. This is worse than E.T. for the Atari

  5. Hacking the PS3 is too damn easy... by Doug52392 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    They put an option right into the main XMB menu to "Install other OS", which automatically formats the system's hard drive. All the user needs to do is download a minimal Linux boot image from Sony's site, download a distro of Linux that supports the cell arch (which is usually the version for Mac PCs), burn it, and install it.

    No exploits needed, an IQ of maybe 100 is needed, etc. I would be bored with that in a few minutes, I would rather hack a system NOT meant to be hacked :)

    1. Re:Hacking the PS3 is too damn easy... by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      granted the video resolution stuff can be a bit daunting for some based on browsing through some of the linux on ps3 forums and the number of video mode problem posts. But that is what has always made me have a special place for sony consoles in my heart...i think i use my ps3 for multimedia pc purposes 10:1 over gaming.

  6. Better uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why stop there?

    The Wii channel interface seems to me to be the perfect GUI for providing access to the gigabytes of videos that I have on my home media server.

    1. Re:Better uses by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I have XBMC right now and about 900GB of data that streams to it. If you put each item into a "channel" there would be hundreds and hundreds of pages to flip though. I think that a scrollable list that can handle directory structures is the only way to go.

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    2. Re:Better uses by xiao_haozi · · Score: 1

      I agree. For me this is same with those fancy cover art viewers. They are fun and all, but really slow to find things.

    3. Re:Better uses by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What if you created a number of channels, and assigned things to them? Sports channel, action channel, cartoon channel... and an "Unassigned" and "Everything" channel? Opening the channel plays a random video at a random position (as shown by the preview, running!); or selecting it with another button brings up the programming list :)

  7. its also missing... by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

    its missing the ability to play pirated games. or, it was...

  8. This is not the first custom firmware for the Wii by assassinator42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know of at least a couple that were released before.

  9. Then you never will. by NNKK · · Score: 1

    There is an insurmountable disconnect between those that understand why these things are done and those that don't. It's fundamental to how each thinks. As much as you say you don't understand us, we don't really understand you. There isn't a good/convincing way to explain either position to the other, nor should there really need to be.

    In a way, it's like asking someone why they like, say, raw fish, or really any other food one might find unpalatable. It's not a very useful question, because it comes down to individual taste. If the questioner doesn't already understand, they're unlikely to appreciate the merit of any particular response someone might come up with.

  10. Re:This is not the first custom firmware for the W by AsnFkr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those look more like applications for the Wii (WAD OR ELF's) more than a total custom firmware.

  11. Generally vendors do not understand their products by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Generally vendors do not understand their products.

    The most important use for a platform is frequently something the vendor never considered in either their software design, their marketing plan, or their business model. Or they considered it, and wanted to hold it hostage in the name of an ongoing revenue stream. Consider that most consoles are loss-leaders, with the money being made up on the licensing rights to put software on the box, with per unit royalties to ensure an ongoing revenue stream. The restrictions necessary to implement this business model disable a lot of the potential of the platform as a basis for other applications.

    -- Terry

  12. so, reading R/RW media is a feature? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "features" that this firmware enables that were not present in the official firmware..

    These are not features. If your hardware can read the disc, then the manufacturer specifically disabled the ability to read from writable media. This firmware disables a form of DRM.

    That said, I agree wholeheartedly with the intent of this firmware!

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  13. Really now... by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see:

    - The Wii has a nifty built-in remote that can do all sorts of things... and homebrew offers learning coders the chance to play with it and come up with innovative ideas and neat tricks.

    - A codebase set up to allow you to run burned discs with homebrew will hopefully be expanded to allow using the old (and quite solid) emulators that ran on the Gamecube. Being able to run my SNES/NES/Genesis/etc libraries from a burned CD rather than wasting space in the Wii's highly-limited 512MB of internal RAM would be a major benefit.

    In fact, word behind closed doors indicates that Nintendo is going to HAVE to open up something to allow games to read the external SD card reader as normal storage shortly. Anyone who's spent any amount of money in the Wii online store is getting pretty close to the limitation as-is even without the ever-expanding savegame files eating it up. It's one of the Wii's few major mis-design problems (the other being the incredible dead-zone that prevents the wii from detecting small motion, like trying to putt a short put in Wii Sports Golf, reliably).

    - The Wii has more than enough power to become a pretty nice streaming media player (say, a MythTV frontend) if you can build it properly. The original Xbox is nearing the end of its usable lifespan (unable to handle 720p or higher content and a few of the newest and most processor-hungry video codecs with its processor) and both the Xbox360 and PS3 are locked in ways that opening them up for homebrew code is far more difficult than rewriting something (though rumors have it that PS3 custom firmware is being worked on). While it's true the Wii couldn't put out a true 720p signal, it could very likely process high-def content and display it in extremely pretty 480p, which would put it a step above the aging Xbox.

    And before you say "but the PS3 allows you to run linux natively"... no. It doesn't. It allows you to run a very stripped-down Linux, and segregates hardware control to prevent Linux from being able to do most of the things that you'd want Linux and associated programs to be able to do. For example, the XBMC team (who are porting to both Windows and Linux right now) have already said that the PS3 will not allow them enough direct access (processor, video, RAM writes) to do what the software needs to do.

    - The Wii is in more homes. That means that more people are able to enjoy the fruits of their work when they get the nifty home-brewed programs running.

    1. Re:Really now... by CubeRootOf · · Score: 1

      I Like this answer.

      It actually addresses the question that I asked, and I appreciate that.

      Thank you very much.

    2. Re:Really now... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You're right, and you're wrong.

      A) the PS3 does the home media player thing natively, without running any version of Linux, right from the XMB. I watch video and listen to music from my Linux media servers with it all the time.

      B) the PS3 runs _full_ (not stripped-down) versions of Linux that will run within its memory limitations and don't require 3D acceleration. I fail to see how a media client requires 3D accelerated graphics.

      Considering the raw power of the cell processor to do video processing and scaling, you should be able to stream and scale very high quality video in full 1080p using the PS3 from say MPlayer or something, but since the native XMB already does this (with scaling, with full DivX support), I don't think many people are bothering to try.

      Would a weather channel and Tetris and E-mail app be cool? Sure. Oh yeah, those don't require 3D acceleration and will all run very happily in 256MB of RAM.

      What's with the FUD exactly? Try "but the Wii's cheaper" next time -- at least that's true.

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    3. Re:Really now... by Moryath · · Score: 1

      A) the PS3 does the home media player thing natively, without running any version of Linux, right from the XMB. I watch video and listen to music from my Linux media servers with it all the time.

      Funny. I tried that with mine and it has all SORTS of problems with interesting file formats.

      Plus, the PS3 knows shit-nothing about Samba. And some of us aren't going to waste 400+ hours of our life fucking with the linux crap trying to get it to work just so we can use a PS3 to do it, especially when we have a perfectly good samba-based NAS running already.

      B) the PS3 runs _full_ (not stripped-down) versions of Linux that will run within its memory limitations and don't require 3D acceleration. I fail to see how a media client requires 3D accelerated graphics.

      You just repeated what I said before:
      - PS3 limits its access to RAM
      - PS3 doesn't allow it proper access to the video card (which is VERY useful for media playback, scaling in particular).

    4. Re:Really now... by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      While it's true the Wii couldn't put out a true 720p signal, it could very likely process high-def content and display it in extremely pretty 480p, which would put it a step above the aging Xbox.

      While I agree with the rest of your comments completely, are you certain about this? I run XBMC for pretty much all of my media needs and it has no trouble with 480p.

      Although now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure that was disabled by default in the Aus. version and I only managed to enable it with a modchip...

      The Xbox+XBMC has been one of the greatest purchases I've ever made, it is a shame about the lack of power for handling 720p and up.

    5. Re:Really now... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You get access to all 256MB of RAM on the board. What did you want, access to the 256MB of video RAM too? That's part of the "restricted 3D video card" access unfortunately.

      There have been good developments around 2D and 3D acceleration (including a Mesa implementation) on PS3/Linux.

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    6. Re:Really now... by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      Qute from the XBMC Wiki:
      Does XBMC support High Definition (HD) resolution media?

      Yes and no, but the answer is a little more complicated than that, see bellow:
      XBMC for XBox

      In general, it can not play native HD format videos, but can upscale SD or lower format video to HD resolutions

      A standard XBox (with the XBox HD AV Pack) is capable of outputting HD signals. XBMC can quite easily upscale all low-resolution videos (like retail DVD Movies) to 720por 1080i.

      Unfortunately, the XBox's 733Mhz Intel Pentium-III CPU, is to slow to play native HD video (Microsoft® and DivX® recommends a 2.4 Ghz PC + 384MB RAM for 720p MPEG-4 playback!). This means that you might only get maybe 10-20fps (frames per seconds) displayed which would appear so jerky because of all dropped frames that it will be un-viewable.

      Upgraded Processor

      It is possible to upgrade the processor in an XBox (for example, with the DreamX-1400 from FriendTech, to one which is at capable of decoding some native HD videos (i.e. those encoded with MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 ASP (H.263) at up to 720p). FriendTech do offers trade-in). Note! You must enable/setup your HDTV settings in Microsoft dashboard, (on NTSC Xboxes).

    7. Re:Really now... by Troed · · Score: 1

      The PS3 loves DNLA (UPnP) - why don't you install one of the myriads of free UPnP-servers instead of sharing via Samba?

      I'll agree that it doesn't do .mkv natively. You'll need to repackage (no reconversion) those into AVCHD. Alternatively, you can recode the sound and do .mp4. GOTsent is the god sent utility you're looking for.

      Yes, my PS3 is my full time media player. For all sorts of content.

    8. Re:Really now... by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      Would a weather channel and Tetris and E-mail app be cool? Sure. Oh yeah, those don't require 3D acceleration and will all run very happily in 256MB of RAM.

      (Emphasis added)

      You haven't used the Wii's weather channel, have you?

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    9. Re:Really now... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I guess you got confused and forgot to emphasize "doesn't require" in my original post.

      Yes, you can make 3D accelerated weather channels, but its certainly not necessary.

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  14. Why Just Homebrew? by morari · · Score: 1

    Why limit piracy? Nintendo hates it all the same, so why limit the possible applications of said firmware?

    Videogames are too expensive to purchase often. :P

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    1. Re:Why Just Homebrew? by satoshi1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nintendo has cracked down on piracy, yes, but they have NEVER stopped homebrew projects (and things like OoT2D don't count). They don't seem to really give a shit about homebrew, it's just that both are often lumped together thanks to people like you, asshole.

    2. Re:Why Just Homebrew? by Shados · · Score: 1

      If you can't afford them, find another hobby between your purchases. Not like you're entitled to them.

  15. Re:This is not the first custom firmware for the W by Eluan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Waninkoko's "custom firmware" is just a ripoff of PatchMii with reduced functionality. PatchMii actually downloads the IOS from Nintendo's servers, patches and install it. It's even easier to use. Waninkoko has a bad reputation on the wiibrew community for stealing credits, and, as always, he releases a new tool days after someone else do all the hard work and release it for free under the GPL. PatchMii was created by bushing, one of the creators of the twilight hack. The unencrypted dvd read patch is by svpe based on an earlier patch for IOSes older than 30.

  16. Not a custom firmware. No DVDRs on unmodded Wiis. by josath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. This is not a "custom firmware". It is a hacked copy of an official IOS. IOS is the code which runs on one of the sub processors on the wii, it has nothing to do with the main firmware you see that shows channels, launches games, etc
    2. You still CANNOT read dvdr's on an unmodified Wii. On an unmodified Wii, this modified IOS lets you only do one thing: dump commercial wii discs.
    3. To read dvdr's in wii homebrew, you need a drivechip (a modchip attached to the DVD drive in the wii)

    Conclusion: This is pretty much useless for homebrew, unless you are in the small minority who installed a modchip for piracy, but are still interested in homebrew. Even then, burning DVDR's is much more hassle than using SD's.

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  17. There is so much factually wrong in this story... by STKD · · Score: 4, Informative

    That the wiidev guys don't know where to start with correcting it. Seriously. For one thing, wanky borrowed these features from patchmii. Just as he borrows for everything he does. The version he released yesterday was almost 100% Nintendo copyrighted code. He cannot code. Fact. Sad slashdot, sad.

  18. Re:This is not the first custom firmware for the W by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up, he knows what he's talking about. Although bushing did say that Waninkoko was a nice guy, he also said he didn't think things through all the time, and I do notice that his new things come out right after someone else makes a breakthrough.

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  19. Re:There is so much factually wrong in this story. by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

    How'd he get the copyrighted code? Disassembly? I saw something about that on hackmii.com, but I didn't quite understand what it was talking about.

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