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GM Researching Windshields For Old Drivers

beuges writes "General Motors researchers are working on a high-tech windshield that users lasers and infra-red sensors to identify and enhance important objects for older drivers with vision problems. 'For example, during a foggy drive, a laser projects a blue line onto the windshield that follows the edge of the road. Or if infrared sensors detect a person or animal in the driver's path during a night drive, its outline is projected on the windshield to highlight its location.' And it's not only older drivers who will benefit: 'Some features would be helpful to drivers of all ages. If a driver is speeding, a pink box frames an approaching speed limit sign to draw the driver's attention.' The 65 and older population in the US will nearly double in about 20 years, meaning more people will be struggling to see the road like they used to."

362 comments

  1. Alerts when speeding? by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because what all drivers need, are distracting colors at high speed.

    1. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Well, if its designed for old people, the ratio of old people who speed is pretty low...

      But you would get used to it (if you can teach an old dog new tricks?), just as everything else, most dashes are already obnoxious with lights and gizmo's but you stop noticing at after the first week or so, well depending on how much driving you do, this would take a bit longer, but it would probably (should) require a course on it anyways, at least I hope so, otherwise lots of money into new cars that end up in the junkyard, and bodies in caskets.

      But, my over-all opinion is just: "fucking hell, taking even more fun out of driving"... given your name 427ci...you probably agree.

      Tell them to take the bus, or the "Shuttle", and stop polluting, bingo isn't that important, but I guess there's more money to be made in this, than in public transportation for elderly.

    2. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Entirely without reference to speed limits: if you're driving so fast that you couldn't handle a pink box around a road sign, then you're driving faster than you're capable of driving, and you should stop being an idiot and slow the fuck down before you kill someone.

    3. Re:Alerts when speeding? by alex4u2nv · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Just what we need:
      Old impaired drivers on the road.
      Hopefully the researchers would realize that not only do their sights become impaired, but also their brains and overall responsiveness. Does no one believe in public transportation anymore?

    4. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize there is no such thing as public transportation in most of the country don't you? If you live in a city a cab or bus are usually easy to get. When you live in a rural area, they don't exist.

    5. Re:Alerts when speeding? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You do realize there is no such thing as public transportation in most of the country don't you?

      There's only one country?

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    6. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My first thought was actually: How many will claim their windshield told them to drive that way?

      "I didn't pay attention to the sign because my windshield didn't say it was important."

      "I ran off the road because my windshield said the line went that way."

      etc.

      It's a neat idea, but only if it's absolutely perfect. And is -anything- perfect?

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    7. Re:Alerts when speeding? by trick-knee · · Score: 1

      anyway, it'll be fun stuff when the supporting software crashes, leaving the driver out to dry.

    8. Re:Alerts when speeding? by hplus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the point. Few people (speaking from a US perspective here) believe in public transportation, thus it doesn't work well/doesn't go where people need it. Then people cite the poorly functioning systems as evidence that public transportation as a whole doesn't work well, and doesn't deserve tax money.

    9. Re:Alerts when speeding? by ssintercept · · Score: 1

      Because what all drivers need, are distracting colors at high speed.

      you forgot the amyl nitrate and mescaline...and texting one handed on the iphone.

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    10. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But you would get used to it (if you can teach an old dog new tricks?), just as everything else, most dashes are already obnoxious with lights and gizmo's but you stop noticing at after the first week or so [...]

      I had a car with a heads-up display before. It was very helpful, it helped me keep my eyes constantly on the road instead of looking up and down at the instruments. I highly recommend this type of advancement.

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    11. Re:Alerts when speeding? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      My GPS navigator already does the speeding checks for me, no need for my windshield to duplicate that.

    12. Re:Alerts when speeding? by joocemann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Entirely without reference to speed limits: if you're driving so fast that you couldn't handle a pink box around a road sign, then you're driving faster than you're capable of driving, and you should stop being an idiot and slow the fuck down before you kill someone.

      Or the sheer fact that it is designed "...for older drivers with vision problems".

      WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING DRIVING? I'm one of those people who think moving a large heavy object at relatively high speeds around other objects and PEOPLE is a potential THREAT and ought to be considered a privilege.

      If they have vision problems, helping them to continue lying to themselves about their validity as a driver is not the answer. The answer is to pull their license.

      There are many reasons why an unfit driver can convince themselves to keep driving: Pride, embarrassment, a hazy concept of rights, or possibly it all came on so slowly they don't even realize it...

      Maybe this idea will help some people, but what happens when the device fails and they're on the freeway doing 65mph? What happens when the previously unfit driver, now fit by device, becomes unfit due to failure? Do they pull over and call for backup? Does the car automatically shut down? No... In reality they will probably keep driving, unfit for the task, and may or may not get the device repaired most likely depending on if they can afford it.

      Are we going to set up a device-functionality bureau to make sure all these people still get to drive and that the devices are working? Lets get a grip on reality people. NOT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET IS CAPABLE OF DOING EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO. GET REAL.

    13. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Shit, if someone can't see a dam road sign then what the fuck are they doing driving a car!

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    14. Re:Alerts when speeding? by inKubus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a neat idea, but only if it's absolutely perfect. And is -anything- perfect?

      And the article said this was GENERAL MOTORS so I think we know the answer to your question...

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    15. Re:Alerts when speeding? by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      I think the "it didn't say it was important" would be hard to argue, but the "the line went that way" would definitely be arguable...
      I have perfect vision, but if I had to drive one of these cars for whatever reason, the line would, quite quickly I think, become something I'd latch on to whether I wanted to or not. If it suddenly kept going straight ahead when I should have turned, it would take quite some "will" to keep on course. If I were tired or in some other "not as capable of driving" state (no, I don't drink and drive - ever), then it MIGHT lead to an accident.
      I, like most people, already do drive half on "auto-pilot" as it were - the painted lines on the road are my guide, and while it's PHYSICALLY identical driving to cross a line as it is to stay with it, crossing a line triggers a mental flag. I expect these dashboard glowing lines would become somewhat like that.

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    16. Re:Alerts when speeding? by plover · · Score: 1

      I don't care what their transportation alternatives are. If they can't see or can't react, first get them off the road. Optionally, you can then figure out how to get them from point A to point B. But that's not our real problem: incompetent drivers piloting two-ton sledgehammers down our roads is our real problem.

      If I ever become that impaired, I really want someone to pull my license *before* I kill some child, not after.

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    17. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      My first thought was actually: How many will claim their windshield told them to drive that way?

      Mess them up even more, put the device in an LED Jesus statue. "But officer, Jesus told me to drive that way."

           

    18. Re:Alerts when speeding? by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      It's a neat idea, but only if it's absolutely perfect. And is -anything- perfect?

      Sure, it may not be perfect. But neither are people and the condition of the road and weather.

      Two modes are investigated: in the 'map generation' mode, the lane detection system is used to generate a map under good weather, lighting, and traffic conditions; in the 'map use' mode, it is used as a driving assistance system and can rely on the previously generated map to improve the results of detection. The lane detection system is used along with a low cost GPS in both modes. Experimental results show that using the map can improve the detection of the road lane under adverse conditions (occlusions generated by traffic, degraded lane markings, bad weather like fog). Moreover the use of the map can help avoiding false detections and increasing the detection range of the system

      Autonomous Mapping

    19. Re:Alerts when speeding? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Yea, I need popups while driving.

      How about we spend the money on developing replacement eyes?

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    20. Re:Alerts when speeding? by kaizokuace · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just want it to tell me when my target is locked and other useful info.

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    21. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because what all drivers need, are distracting colors at high speed.

      Even worse, adapting the focus of your vision to the dist... *uiieeck* ...ance of your windshield doesn't necessarily increase your apprehension of things happening on the street.

      PS: Sorry for the break, there were people crossing behind my screen ... and now I'll go for tetris.

      *BONK!*

    22. Re:Alerts when speeding? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Or the sheer fact that it is designed "...for older drivers with vision problems".

      WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING DRIVING? I'm one of those people who think moving a large heavy object at relatively high speeds around other objects and PEOPLE is a potential THREAT and ought to be considered a privilege.

      I agree with you, but for different reasons.

      It's not just basic vision problems that are the issue. To a great extent, long/short sightedness can be corrected with glasses, cataracts can be corrected with surgery and nobody says "what if your glasses fall off when you're driving?"

      Vision problems which can't easily be solved by machine (eg. peripheral vision) and other issues associated with old age (eg. reaction time) are, however, a big deal. And to be honest, I suspect that by the time we have machines which can reliably solve these problems for older drivers we'll have self-driving cars where you just punch in where you want to go on a map.

    23. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember you too, like I, will be old one day -- prepare yourself to take the bus, hail taxis and watch the world pass you by as you peer out the window. What comes around goes around, be REAL to yourselves too, and that could be your grandma holding up the traffic.

      I have started saving for retirement for THERE WILL BE NO social security when I retire.

    24. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I need popups while driving.

      In other news, General Motors develops new ways to deliver ads to its customers.

    25. Re:Alerts when speeding? by joocemann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just remember you too, like I, will be old one day -- prepare yourself to take the bus, hail taxis and watch the world pass you by as you peer out the window. What comes around goes around, be REAL to yourselves too, and that could be your grandma holding up the traffic.

      I have started saving for retirement for THERE WILL BE NO social security when I retire.

      I will be prepared. And hopefully I'll retain enough conscious thought to know when I should stop driving because it is obvious the AARP won't be letting any of the obviously necessary laws be passed to keep me and you in check when we are too old to check ourselves.

    26. Re:Alerts when speeding? by msromike · · Score: 1

      More information is typically better. This doesn't soumd like it would even come close to information overload. Highly trained military pilots have a tremendous ammount of information in their HUD. This sounds like a good idea to me.

    27. Re:Alerts when speeding? by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      I gotta agree. My grandfather kept driving long after it was prudent for him to do so due to his failing vision. After he totalled the second car by turning left in front of oncoming traffic the state finally took his license away. As much as I cared about him, he was a threat to himself and the community. What we really need is more ways to help these people understand that they shouldn't be driving and alternative ways to get around.

    28. Re:Alerts when speeding? by JeanCroix · · Score: 3, Funny

      *Content of text in question: "cnt stop here bat cntry"

    29. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the sheer fact that it is designed "...for older drivers with vision problems".

      WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING DRIVING? I'm one of those people who think moving a large heavy object at relatively high speeds around other objects and PEOPLE is a potential THREAT and ought to be considered a privilege.

      If they have vision problems, helping them to continue lying to themselves about their validity as a driver is not the answer. The answer is to pull their license.

      NOT EVERYONE ON THE PLANET IS CAPABLE OF DOING EVERYTHING THERE IS TO DO. GET REAL.

      So by this logic, if I need glasses to operate in this world, I should have my license pulled? Suppose I am missing an arm or leg, and I have a prosthetic to replace it? Does this make me no longer a candidate for a driver's license in your world?

      What if the device fails? What if my glasses fall off my face? What if a pacemaker gives a momentary blip, or the batteries for a prosthetic device short out?

      Is anyone in the world you would live in who falls short of perfection in any way, be no longer a candidate for a driver's license? Perhaps the best solution to global overcrowding is to convert to a better use those people who are so unfit to survive. Soylent Green anyone?

    30. Re:Alerts when speeding? by ssintercept · · Score: 1

      right on! mod "brilliant" +11

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    31. Re:Alerts when speeding? by evilsofa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "or possibly it all came on so slowly they don't even realize it..."

      Some may question how you can possibly not notice you are losing your vision. The problem is that your brain is incredibly good at filling in the blanks. Peripheral vision, a subtle thing if ever there was, is particularly subject to this, and it's also absolutely critical to your driving skills.

      I started losing my peripheral vision about 20 years ago due to a genetic condition, and did not notice until last year when I went to get new glasses and the optometrist noticed something funny about my eyes. The onset was very slow and very insidious, with my brain filling in the blanks so effectively that I never knew it. This explains why I've been more and more reluctant to drive - I've been having scary moments when driving. Sooner or later I was going to hit someone, most likely a pedestrian, so I quit driving sooner. I'm 38.

      So I'm putting my money where my mouth is when I say this kind of assistance is not going to help.

    32. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I want it to show the damage to enemy units based on the body parts of their battlemechs.

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    33. Re:Alerts when speeding? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      What if the device fails? What if my glasses fall off my face? What if a pacemaker gives a momentary blip, or the batteries for a prosthetic device short out?

      How often do glasses just "fall off your face"? Even when you're doing something like playing a game of football? Sure, it happens, but usually only when you get tackled.

      Just sitting in your car, cruising down the freeway? They're not going to just fall off. By the time you get thrown around like you've been tackled, the accident has already happened.

      Similarly, how often does a pacemaker give a blip? Honestly, I don't know the answer to this, but it seems to me that they'd be very reliable devices, as they're not exactly easy to get at to repair.

      And if they do give momentary blips on a regular basis, then you're damn straight you shouldn't be driving if you have one.

      As for prosthetic device batteries, if you've got one prosthetic arm, you should be fine, as you've still got another arm to steer with. Same with a single leg.

      If you've got two prosthetic legs, or two arms, then no, you shouldn't be driving.

      Cars are full of backup features in case something goes wrong. Power steering fails? Still have manual steering. Power brakes fail? Still have manual brakes. Brake line blows, killing your brakes completely? That's what the emergency/parking brake is for.

      Why should allow the driver of said redundant vehicle to have no redundancy?

      Is anyone in the world you would live in who falls short of perfection in any way, be no longer a candidate for a driver's license?

      What people don't seem to see is, a car is a weapon. I don't know exactly what it's like in the US, but in Canada, if you have even the slightest vision problem, you can't own a gun. You probably wouldn't be able to pass your firearms test with a prosthetic arm, either, as you wouldn't be able to handle the gun safely.

      The car you drive to work every day can kill someone just as easily as a gun can, but for some reason, being incapable of handling one safely isn't seen as a reason to take it away.

      Perhaps the best solution to global overcrowding is to convert to a better use those people who are so unfit to survive. Soylent Green anyone?

      Now you're just getting silly. Not allowing someone to pilot a 2 ton battering ram along the highway at 70 MPH is a far cry from saying they're not worth having alive.

      Maybe we should go to the other extreme, and take away the need for a driver's licence at all. Then, when even the legally blind can legally drive on the highway, surely the "global overcrowding" problem you mention will be nicely taken care of. Makes about as much sense as the leap you made.....

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    34. Re:Alerts when speeding? by POTSandPANS · · Score: 1
      This is being designed by General Motors, pulling someone's license does not help sell more cars.

      I do however, agree with you 100%.

    35. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The baby boomers are getting old. They've gone unchecked for 30 years fucking up the world with their greed and selfishness. Do you think they're going to let a little thing like being a potential safety risk stop them from driving?

    36. Re:Alerts when speeding? by joocemann · · Score: 1

      SOMEONE MOD THIS POST UP! This is honesty and integrity right here man.!!!

      @Evilsofa: Thanks for doing the right thing. I know you're probably scared for yourself as well. I hope the best for you and that you've found a comfortable way to do things.

    37. Re:Alerts when speeding? by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      PPMO?

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    38. Re:Alerts when speeding? by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      Agreed! I've said for years that we need to start doing mandatory road tests every 2 years once they hit 60. My uncle is nearing 60 and they just issues him a license that doesn't expire for 8 damn years. A lot can happen to vision and the brain in 8 years, especially at that age.

      And, if I'm speeding, 9 times out of 10, I know it. I don't need to have it point out the speed limit sign. I don't need the portable "Your speed is" sign on the side of the road flashing. I know how fast I'm going.

    39. Re:Alerts when speeding? by sjames · · Score: 1

      anyway, it'll be fun stuff when the supporting software crashes, leaving the driver out to dry.

      Or causes the projector to put random flashes on the windshield leading to a new meaning for snowcrash.

    40. Re:Alerts when speeding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private automobile drivers are not highly trained, carefully selected, constantly evaluated, limited in number of operational hours per day, fed low-level amphetamines, nor pulled from "duty" when they no longer meet the original rigorous standards.

    41. Re:Alerts when speeding? by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Thank you for voluntarily taking resposibility.

      By the way, what funny thing did he notice with your eyes?

  2. Just older drivers? by eliphalet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems that all drivers could benefit from contrast enhancement in the fog (or rain or snow).

    1. Re:Just older drivers? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think they would benefit more by learning to adjust the speed and how their vehicles actually handle in inclement weather.
      Being able to better see the car in front of you isn't all that useful if you still aren't able to see the deer crossing the road. In fact, I think it could increase dangers, by making people drive faster than they otherwise would.

    2. Re:Just older drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The IR masked deer?

    3. Re:Just older drivers? by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Deers tend to jump out of the bushes right in front of cars. It's the same with rabbits near sidewalks.

      They stand still to be quiet when the predator is far, but will try to run away at a right angle when the "predator" is right next to them. I am not sure why they do it, but perhaps has something to do with their danger handling mechanism.

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    4. Re:Just older drivers? by johannesg · · Score: 1, Funny

      You make a good point: I read somewhere that safety-enhancing features result in an increase in speed until the perceived level of risk is once again as it was before the safety features were implemented. This, of course, means that the more safety features a car has, the greater the risk towards other road users.

      In that light, I firmly believe that instead of an airbag, cars should have a long, sharp spike mounted on the steering wheel (and pointed directly at the driver). I'm willing to bet that it would significantly reduce speeding...

    5. Re:Just older drivers? by camperslo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they should do some research targeted at younger drivers too?

      If a younger driver crashes into the car in front of them while checking out the babe in a car to the side,
      side windows that substituted someone old and overweight might reduce accidents.

      No doubt that feature would be a major dud on the showroom floor though...

    6. Re:Just older drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      side windows that substituted someone old and overweight might reduce accidents

      Yeah, but if everybody looks like Stave Ballmer the suicide rate might go up.

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    7. Re:Just older drivers? by packeteer · · Score: 1

      They used to have this. It is called the steering column. Many drivers were skewered once upon a time.

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    8. Re:Just older drivers? by yog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely correct; it's not like the elderly are the only people who have accidents. In fact, teens have about as high a death rate as the elderly from traffic accidents, probably because teens' recklessness is comparable to seniors' physiological limitations, mediated by seniors' tendency to drive less as they age (see this link for some statistics).

      We have enough technology now to really reduce motor vehicle fatalities, yet we haven't implemented many of them. Today, every car should have a collision avoidance system that kicks in when a collision is likely. For example, lots of crashes happen on high speed roads when people change lanes without looking. So why not have the car warn you--for a few hundred dollars you could have these little laser thingies that would detect approaching vehicles from several angles, and squawk at you when you're about to do something stupid.

      Another feature might be a slow-down signal that your car sends out to cars behind you in the event that you suddenly stop, like to avoid a deer or another accident. This might reduce pile-ups on the highway.

      When some idiot is running a red light and is about to cream you side-on, you are not going to have an engine in front of you to absorb much of the impact, just some reinforced side panels and maybe a side airbag or two. That's not going to be of much help if they're going 60 or more. But if you had some explosive collision absorbers in the side of the car, it might bounce some of the force away. Also, the drunk who is coming at you should have an emergency braking system that kicks in to prevent him killing you (and maybe himself). Lots of people hit trees and this would help with that problem as well.

      This is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm no automotive engineer and surely the big brains in Detroit, Berlin, and Tokyo can come up with even better and more practical ideas to make traffic fatalities history. GM's windscreen concept is a great start and at the very least it will stimulate some discussion as Joe Public begins to dimly perceive how technology could save lives.

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    9. Re:Just older drivers? by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      They stand still to be quiet when the predator is far, but will try to run away at a right angle when the "predator" is right next to them. I am not sure why they do it, but perhaps has something to do with their danger handling mechanism.

      It's easier to run in a straight line than it is to turn at high speed. The deer's survival depends on making it hard for the predator.

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    10. Re:Just older drivers? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      I firmly believe that instead of an airbag, cars should have a long, sharp spike mounted on the steering wheel (and pointed directly at the driver). I'm willing to bet that it would significantly reduce speeding...

      ...and tailgating.

    11. Re:Just older drivers? by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      We have enough technology now to really reduce motor vehicle fatalities, yet we haven't implemented many of them.

      I fear one reason is legal. What happens if one of these systems fails? Is the car company responsible for not applying the brakes when it failed to detect the stopped car ahead of you? There would probably be several other companies in the line of fire, for making the computer(s) involved, or writing the software. It's maybe not quite such a bad threat for a preventative technology (seat belts and airbags do a good job saving lives, and don't seem to be a huge point of liability, though they are admittedly simpler, and therefore easier to design to avoid catastrophic failure)...

      But, imagine if you have an autonomous car. Sure, it can drive much faster than you could safely, and cars could be closer to each other. Cars could be designed to have far greater fuel efficiency and safety. But what happens when the computer running it crashes? One of the DARPA Grand Challenge vehicles a few years back had a memory leak during the competition. It was something they *should* have caught, but they never ran the vehicle for a long time without stopping before competition because there were so many other things to do to perfect the software. Anyway, mid-competition, the planning computer crashed, with the last instructions being to accelerate and turn slightly left (IIRC). The DARPA chase vehicle didn't hit the E-Stop button as soon as they probably should have - the pickup truck bounced off the road and through brush, knocking the tailgate loose, and finally stopping when the battery bounced out of the battery box.

      Now, undoubtedly, a real computer system driving a car would have redundancy and be thoroughly tested, but you can never account for every possible problem - software or hardware. This is why I (unfortunately) doubt I will see widely available autonomous cars for public roads during my lifetime.

    12. Re:Just older drivers? by TedRiot · · Score: 1

      Another feature might be a slow-down signal that your car sends out to cars behind you in the event that you suddenly stop, like to avoid a deer or another accident. This might reduce pile-ups on the highway. Also, the drunk who is coming at you should have an emergency braking system that kicks in to prevent him killing you (and maybe himself). Lots of people hit trees and this would help with that problem as well.

      At least VAG cars and some other European cars (French ones, I think) have a system that if you break from a speed of more than 60km/h hard enough to deploy emergency brake assistant, it will automatically turn on the emergency signal lights (I don't know the correct terminology for this in English, sorry).

      Some manufacturers' cruise controls also have systems to automatically keep enough distance to the car in front. This will also bring the car at least on MB to a complete halt if the car in front stops. I don't know, if this works when cruise control is off, though. Volvo has a crash warning system in S80 that signals a warning to the driver if the speed is fast enough that the system thinks you're going to crash.

    13. Re:Just older drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be the Hazard lights in the UK.

    14. Re:Just older drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another feature might be a slow-down signal that your car sends out to cars behind you in the event that you suddenly stop, like to avoid a deer or another accident. This might reduce pile-ups on the highway.

      My car already has this. I think it's called a brake light.

    15. Re:Just older drivers? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      There are many storms up here in the north where your options are:

      1. Stop and die because your car will be buried and you won't have enough gas to keep warm until morning. Also, if you stop, you could be hit by another car exercising option 2.

      2. Keep going and live, despite the dangers because you can barely see the road.

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    16. Re:Just older drivers? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      That said, teenage drivers pay for their increased risk factors with dollars and cents.

      Insurance for a young driver is insane.

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      It's been a long time.
    17. Re:Just older drivers? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      When someone rear-ends another person, it's always the person behind's fault. It doesn't matter HOW the person in front drives, it's our responsibility as drivers to drive at a speed which will allow us to react to changing road conditions, such as people stopping suddenly.

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    18. Re:Just older drivers? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you doing going out in it when it's that bad, anyway? It's not like you didn't know it was snowing when you left home/work/whatever.

      Yes, there are exceptions, but we had a guy on our street last winter after a large snowstorm that got stuck 3 times within 50 feet of his driveway. Neighbours - including myself - pushed him out every time, only to see him get stuck again, when he tried to keep going.

      Finally I asked him where he was going that was so important. It was something stupid like going over to a buddy's to play video games. I had to talk to him for about 5 minutes before I finally managed to convince him that it wasn't worth it, and to get the hell back in his driveway where he belonged. He got stuck another 2 times trying to get back.
      This was one of about 10 cars that all did the same thing, insisting on going somewhere trivial. The only one who actually had anything remotely important to do was going to a funeral visitation. Ironically, she was the only one who turned back by her own choice, with no real convincing needed.

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    19. Re:Just older drivers? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      They have paid sick days, but they don't have paid snow days. Considering nearly every day is -40C and icy as hell in the winter, it's not really an option to routinely take days off for bad conditions.

      And if I'm already at work, what am I do to? Pull 16 hour shift so the highways can be cleared so I can go home?

      Somehow I think my boss would get ticked if I did either.

      Regardless, the last time this happened to me was actually on a trip where, when we got in the car, we were wearing shorts and no jackets. A freak blizzard hit that was so hard we had to make that choice, but there was no predicting such a crazy thing, considering there was no snow left at that point!

      We really lucked out, because half the country got hit with a really REALLY hard snow storm that we managed to avoid coming home. Sounds like we would've been trapped for a good 3 days if we'd stopped and waited for it to hit us.

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    20. Re:Just older drivers? by phorm · · Score: 1

      In fact, teens have about as high a death rate as the elderly from traffic accidents

      Inexperience and a sense of invincibility is pretty much on par with age and a sense of privilege in this case for accidents, but I'd tend to agree that the speeding teenagers are more likely to cause a possibly more damaging accident due to speed. However, over the last few years I'd have to say that I'm rather disconcerted to see that a number of those who are traffic dodging and passing me at 30 clicks over the limit are quite often seniors.

      A lot of people argue against a black-box in cars, but a system that records the last 5 minutes of hairpin turns (gyroscope), throttle-to-the-ground acceleration with pedal-to-the-floor braking (accelerometer), and others might be useful in warning drivers of their own idiotic driving, and making them accountable in case of an accident. The trick would be to keep us from having to submit a report from the damn thing every time we renew our insurance etc because I *know* that those buggers would love to raise our rates based on whatever data they can exploit.

  3. For An Extra $150 ... by strelitsa · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can they be programmed to keep those damn kids off your lawn? And will this research be passed along to the receiver when GM files for bankruptcy next week?

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    1. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by arth1 · · Score: 0

      You may be ignorant that you're flamebaiting, but nevertheless, you are. GM just posted a better than expected result, which in part lifted the bourses world-wide.
      Good, but not great. These days, I'll settle for that.

    2. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wouldn't call it "good" when a company somehow manages to not hemorrhage as much cash as GM was expected to. gp's comment stands, imho.

    3. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now that I think about it for a minute - since everything GM does looses money, it follows that if they close their plants for work stoppages like they've been doing, that their bottom line will actually improve!

    4. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by strelitsa · · Score: 1

      Considering that their stock is down 44 percent http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200807181154DOWJONESDJONLINE000641_FORTUNE5.htm YTD, I'd hardly consider my comments flamebaiting. But hey, buy up all the GM stock you can get your hands on. I'll just continue to invest in soup kitchens and we'll both be happy.

      (Next week's soup of the day is chicken noodle - I'll save you a bowl.)

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    5. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't rely on the cost of a companies stock to determine how well they have been doing lately, the whole stock market is unstable at the moment.

    6. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Can they be programmed to keep those damn kids off your lawn? And will this research be passed along to the receiver when GM files for bankruptcy next week?

      1: No.

      2: You mean GM? They're suffering from, at worst, a cash-flow process. If they file for bankruptcy, it'll be a short-term solution, and the company that will own them afterwards will be... GM!

      Wikipedia is thataway --> Go learn.

    7. Re:For An Extra $150 ... by oatworm · · Score: 1

      I'm also suffering from a cash-flow process. My creditors don't see it that way, though. Unlike GM, though, my creditors can't buy me. Then again, since GM is itself a creditor, via GMAC, this could get kind of interesting.

  4. There are even more features by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you approach a street hockey game, the Super Windshield will also highlight the puck with a blue line when it is being passed and a red line when somebody takes a shot on the net.

    1. Re:There are even more features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It made me giggle.

    2. Re:There are even more features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as much as the "Insightful" moderation though.

    3. Re:There are even more features by game+kid · · Score: 1

      I still remember when Fox did that for the All-Star game.

      Back then, me and my lo-def TV welcomed it. These days, hi-def (over-the-air FTW) seals its redundancy forever. :)

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    4. Re:There are even more features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informative, not Insightful. Looks like you use a GM screen of your own.

  5. Why are they allowed to drive in the first place? by urbanriot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why are people that require 'driving enhancements' allowed to drive in the first place?

  6. That is nice.. by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But if no one can afford the gas here soon who is going to care?

    Sure, safety IS important, but id rather see the billions poured into increasing fuel efficiency ( or ditching fossil fuels totally ) first.

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    1. Re:That is nice.. by VoyagerRadio · · Score: 1

      That's *precisely* why they're developing this technology: to retain some value in our automobile investments. Providing us with this type of entertainment allows us to sit in our garage/driveway overdosing on carbon monoxide while "watching the pretty lights" rather than gathering together a class action lawsuit against the automakers for various mileage-related reasons...

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    2. Re:That is nice.. by Xzzy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Transportation isn't going away. It'll get more expensive, and at some point will no longer use fossil fuels, but it won't go away.

      Just because people are acting all freaked out about expensive gas doesn't mean research in other areas has to stop. It wouldn't put us any closer to the mythical "100 mpg engine", and would hurt us in other ways.

    3. Re:That is nice.. by ghjm · · Score: 1

      Rich people are going to care. The same people who can afford $10/gallon gas can also afford $100,000 cars with laser collision avoidance or whatever. And those same people care a lot about personal safety, because their hairy carcasses are a great deal more valuable than yours and mine.

      If the day of the SUV is over, the question is what comes next - and nobody really knows the answer to that. The car companies would be smart to bet both ways. Make 100mpg sub-sub-compacts for the poor people, and make Batmobiles for the rich people. Either way you might get to sell some cars.

      -Graham

    4. Re:That is nice.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are dozens of technologies that are superior to fossil fuels and even the common IC engine, yet where are they available to consumers? There are competitions every year to produce an engine that squeezes the most mpg a car can get yet none of these advances trickles down to the rest of us...

      Big oil doesn't want you driving using alternative technologies in much the same way that MS doesn't want you using that Linux virus.

      And much like people who don't use Windows or MS, people who want to use alternatives pretty much have to do it themselves.

    5. Re:That is nice.. by yog · · Score: 1

      I can give you 38,588 reasons why safety is the most important thing. That's the number of people killed in traffic accidents in 2006 (latest year available). That's about one 9/11 per month. And that's been the case for decades!

      We lose about as many people per year as died in Vietnam over ten years (U.S. military fatalities, that is). We get so worked up about 4000 U.S. fatalities in Iraq, while approximately that many people die every five or six weeks from car accidents--preventable fatalities--and no one seems to be even interested in talking about it.

      If you offered me a free car that gets 50 miles per gallon or a $50,000 car that would save my wife and daughter from being killed--I don't even have to think about that choice. I'll gladly go into debt to protect my loved ones and myself from harm. Gasoline is just a frucking liquid in the ground. My family is priceless.

      Now having said that, I believe the choice you presented is not mutually exclusive. We can definitely ditch fossil fuels eventually, in fact rather soon, if we move to more electric vehicles, solar/wind/nuclear to power them, plus use some handy inventions like sidewalks and bicycles as a supplement to the car. And the added value of walking or biking is that you are less likely to die, assuming you can mostly use bike lanes.

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    6. Re:That is nice.. by nurb432 · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what if its higher elsewhere, that is their problem. If they don't work to reduce their costs, they are fools.

      That sort of analogy/attitude is why people gravitate to socialism.

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    7. Re:That is nice.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Not true. It would put us closer to the goal of an energy efficient vehicle. Instead they waste huge amount on "research" like this. The reason is simple; CEOs can sit back and make easy money, rather than having to put in any effort for a complex project, like that necessary to develop more fuel efficient cars. Congress will not help until it is too late. The rich will not help either, they have no incentive. We have basically gotten ourselves into a trap we cannot get out of. It is going to get worse, until the US economy collapses, taking most of the free world with it (I predict around 2020), and China will cease the opportunity, triggering World War III, and the end of all hopes for humanity. Everything in this line of thought is not only inevitable, but there is no way to stop any of it. Would anybody like to make a bet on this? I could use some money when the world comes to an end. Just make sure it is payed in Yen.

    8. Re:That is nice.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you offered me a free car that gets 50 miles per gallon or a $50,000 car that would save my wife and daughter from being killed--I don't even have to think about that choice.

      I don't have to think about that choice either. I would go with the car that exists in *reality* rather than your *fantasy*. There is *no* car that will save anybody from being killed in high speed collision. There is no technology that exists, that will force teenagers to drive safely, or keep people from driving drunk. In the end, the biggest factor, by far, in determining the safety of people is other people, not technology. Technology is not there to save everybody from their actions, it cannot and does not. And the fact that 38,588 people died in 2006 is a testament to that fact. Technology is neither good nor bad, it is how we use it that determines if lives are saved or not. That number reflects a *moral* issue, rather than a lack of life saving technologies.

      What we desperately need is more energy. That technology, in the end, is most likely going to save many more lives than any other. We need *massive* investment in solar technologies and large scale application of those technologies, and very soon, or 38,588 is going to sound like a small number.

    9. Re:That is nice.. by hplus · · Score: 1

      These systems will work equally well with cars powered by non-petroleum sources, you know.

    10. Re:That is nice.. by xaxa · · Score: 1

      So what if its higher elsewhere, that is their problem. If they don't work to reduce their costs, they are fools.

      Or perhaps they're spending the tax revenue on useful projects.

      (Since the fuel was already artificially expensive in e.g. Europe, the relative increase due to the price of oil is less than in the USA.)

    11. Re:That is nice.. by xaxa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you offered me a free car that gets 50 miles per gallon or a $50,000 car that would save my wife and daughter from being killed--I don't even have to think about that choice. I'll gladly go into debt to protect my loved ones and myself from harm. Gasoline is just a frucking liquid in the ground. My family is priceless.

      For $500,000,000 or something, your city could build a light railway (or subway, tramway, or rapid-bus system, depending on the size of the city). Fatalities are incredibly rare, you get more than 50 mpg, you don't need fossil fuels to run it (but can make the switch gradually, as required), and sidewalks and bicycles are a natural supplement.

      For instance, on the London Underground (admittedly a heavy-rail subway, but it's old and big) "Only five accidents causing passenger deaths have occurred due to train operation in nearly 150 years" (there was also a fire in a station in 1987 which killed 31, as a result smoking in stations was banned). I think they say you're more likely to be killed crossing the road outside a station than once you're in the station.

  7. Uhm yeah... by Izabael_DaJinn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    But will it make them automatically accelerate when they are driving 20 miles under the speed limit?

    Also, windshields are expensive to replace already. I can only imagine how much this super-zowie windshield would cost to replace after a few stray pebbles dings it up on the freeway.

    Also older people aren't really down with new technology--they would be the last people to adopt this.

    However, most likely you could sell it to teenagers who want to watch youtube while they drive.

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    1. Re:Uhm yeah... by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why does it have to be applied to the windshield?
      Why can't the same be applied to a pair of driving glasses?

    2. Re:Uhm yeah... by Deltaspectre · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's just a fancy set of lazer gizmos you hook up on your dashboard that work with any old windshield

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    3. Re:Uhm yeah... by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be applied to the windshield?
      Why can't the same be applied to a pair of driving glasses?

      Because relative to the car, the windshield only looks in one direction. It's a lot easier to program the software to pan its projection to the height and x/y of the driver's head than it is to have motion sensors in a headset that you're wearing, and adjust the view in a 360 degree arc to reflect what you're looking at. And to do it the "easy" way would require having a camera in your glasses, meaning you'd either have to plug in every time you get into the car, or they'd have to be a lot heavier and fatiguing to allow for batteries and wireless transmitter/receiver.

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    4. Re:Uhm yeah... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Because relative to the car, the windshield only looks in one direction.

      But the driver isn't in a fixed spot relative to the windshield. Unless you bolt the driver's head to the headrest, you still have to compensate for where his eyes are relative to the windshield, or you will paint the image on the windshield in the wrong place -- which is worse than nothing.

  8. Here's an idea. by TheOldSchooler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe if you're 65 years or older and you have vision problems you shouldn't be driving?

    1. Re:Here's an idea. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am going to point and laugh at you and say "I told you so!" when you are 65 years old, living alone on a fixed income, and you have vision problems, and need to go to the grocery store.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of people already deal with conditions like that - you don't have to use a car all the time.

    3. Re:Here's an idea. by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

      There used to be a reason people had kids; To take care of the parents in old age.

    4. Re:Here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um remember that thing called a bus? Or better yet affordable grocery delivery services. Just because your old doesn't mean there isn't more than one way to skin a cat.

    5. Re:Here's an idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can't drive safely, you shouldn't be driving. This isn't about fairness, it's about safety. Otherwise why have a driving test at all?

    6. Re:Here's an idea. by joocemann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am going to point and laugh at you and say "I told you so!" when you are 65 years old, living alone on a fixed income, and you have vision problems, and need to go to the grocery store.

      How does that make it ok?

      What if I need money... Can I endanger your life to get money from your wallet? Can I put people at serious risk of injury or death to make the money?

      Tell me... When I've just heard about an old man who accidentally drove through the wall of a preschool and killed like a dozen of the kids... how it is justified.

      Instead, you laugh. So should I laugh when you get robbed by a desperate person? Is it a bad thing for me to be laughing instead of caring about the crime?

  9. Could lead to starvation by stevedmc · · Score: 1, Funny

    This could lead to starvation in some parts of the world. Many people in my area rely on roadkill to feed their family. If this windshield does what it promises to do, there will be a lot less meat on the side of the road.

  10. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by excalibur4life · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. I mean, if someone needs technology like "headlights" to help them seeing at night, I don't want to drive anywhere NEAR them. Give me a dark, manly road any day.

  11. side and rear view mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe automakers can work on expanding the field of vision. I still look back over my shoulder before I make a lane change on the highway to see if there's a car in my "blind spot", and every so often I catch one that I didn't see in the mirror. But the ability or willingness to turn around and look may diminish with age.

    1. Re:side and rear view mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:side and rear view mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a little self-adhesive mirror that sticks on to a side mirror that will allow you to check your blind spot when you look in your mirror normally. (They also come standard on most full-size trucks, since they're the only way to check a blind spot while towing).

    3. Re:side and rear view mirrors by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Uh, no they don't. I still look over my shoulder in both directions and my even older friends do as well. From what I see on the streets, it's the younger drivers that don't bother looking.

  12. What could possibly go ... right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's just no good reason to keep older folks behind the wheel, much as I love 'em. It's better economics to just help them get around by friends and family, public transpo or volunteer efforts.

  13. Robot cars by Heather+D · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When will we get cars that don't need fallible, lazy, often incompetent humans to drive them? Or maybe an efficient mass transit system? You know, like some (backward) parts of the world have had for a century or so.

    If this tech is good enough to be more than just another distraction then maybe we should think seriously about letting people do something useful with all that otherwise wasted time. Give us robot cars already.

    Driving used to be fun. These days it's just a boring, dangerous, annoying, and expensive chore.

    1. Re:Robot cars by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but it's not that simple, robot cars really are limited by their being to many rude and bad human drivers.

      What we need is communicating cars. We could get rid of road signs, signs should appear on the car's HUD. Cars should identify their location to nearby cars, turn signals should inform nearby cars in the HUD and warn you if the lane is not clear (or if a car is approaching to quickly). The speed limit should be printed on the HUD, and automatically adjust to road conditions.

      Once more cars are able to communicate, then it becomes easier to automate cars driving functions.

    2. Re:Robot cars by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      That'd be great, but it'd be tricky to phase in safely. There's not much use in a car which broadcasts its turn signals if no one else has the HUD to see them, and a HUD that shows surrounding vehicles turn signals, but ignoring older models not equipped with the upgraded gear, is worse than useless, because it can lead to a false sense of security right up until you run into that expensive mint-condition classic car in the next lane that your HUD never knew anything about.

      You'd really have to segregate the vehicles by capability, at least at first -- e.g. only "smart" vehicles can travel on interstates, while existing vehicles can take the back roads. You'd also have to make it easy to modify older vehicles to include at least the broadcast capabilities, if not the HUD itself.

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    3. Re:Robot cars by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      When will we get cars that don't need fallible, lazy, often incompetent humans to drive them? When we have software that doesn't need fallible, lazy, often incompetent people to write it.

  14. Prototype display by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can find a prototype of the display at this link. It's also handy for identifying makes of motorcycles and correct sizes of biker clothing.
     

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    1. Re:Prototype display by Heather+D · · Score: 1

      Beware, I've heard that this model has severe bugs that manifest whenever it identifies someone with the last name Connor.

    2. Re:Prototype display by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      You know... it never made sense why a computer (the terminator) would require a HUD to display binary data in ASCII form. Bad programming is reading data directly from RAM to render it as a font on an eye screen, which would be OCR'ed by the terminator's main brain CPU, then processed using AI routines, when it could have run the raw data straight to the AI routines in the first place.

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    3. Re:Prototype display by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Simple, they never switched it from debug to production logging settings, noob.

    4. Re:Prototype display by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      Simple, they never switched it from debug to production logging settings, noob.

      Terminators build terminators and therefore do not require inferior human style debug logging, noob's noob.

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    5. Re:Prototype display by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      silly you, terminators built terminators but the original debug logging was still on, nooby noob noobs.

  15. Really could be helpful for all ages... by RabidMoose · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm not sure if there's a name for it, but I'm sure others of you have experienced the following optical illusion:

    There have been times where I was driving on the interstate just before dawn, on my way home from working all night, and very tired. A mild curve was coming up ahead of me, with simple reflectors on poles to make the curve easier to see. Unfortunately, my depth perception apparently wasn't working (due to fatigue), and I saw the reflectors as a straight line.

    This caused me to slam on my brakes (at 75mph) hard enough that I had to fight from the car spinning out of control. If there'd been anybody close to me, I definately would have caused an accident.

    Assuming this tech works as advertized, it would have prevented this near-accident (and the misaligning of my wheels that it caused). Should also be useful in heavy fog/blizzard conditions.

    1. Re:Really could be helpful for all ages... by mellon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have had experiences like that, yes. However, a system that allows you to avoid them would actually be very dangerous. When you are that sleepy, you aren't far from simply falling asleep at the wheel.

      A friend of mine recently fell asleep while driving and drove off into the desert at 80mph, flipping the car and requiring subsequent hospitalization, although thankfully not a funeral.

      Consider pulling over (someplace safe, of course!) and taking a nap rather than continuing to drive in circumstances like this. It could save your life. Even a short nap will make a big difference.

    2. Re:Really could be helpful for all ages... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Why were you driving at 75mph just before dawn while knowingly very tired? What's wrong with pulling over somewhere for a snooze? (I assume you were heading home (or somewhere else) to sleep anyway)
      If you absolutely MUST be driving in that condition at that time (which I think is doubtful, but I'll accept it might be needed in your circumstances), then slow down to 65 or even less so you're travelling at a speed that your impaired reactions can handle.

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  16. Uhm ... for old drivers why exactly? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously - night driving or fog and it points out where the stuff you can't see is is supposed to be for old people, but speeding bringing up a pink sign is for everyone? Wtf?

    I would love for a kind of thermal imaging sensor that does head up warnings of where almost invisible things are when I'm driving.

    And as for the person above asking why people should be allowed to drive if they NEED this, it's not about needing it (you can always just slow down a lot), it's about it being a good fucking idea! I remember the night driving aid being shown off in "Beyond 2000" back when it was on and thinking "great idea" not "meh, only for old people - they're the only ones in need of knowing what more than 20 yards in front of the car when driving in dense fog at night."

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    1. Re:Uhm ... for old drivers why exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I love when a heads up display leaves the road as it is, and draws attention to the things I shouldn't be driving towards.

      Seriously... it's totally contradictory to everything we know about visual perception

    2. Re:Uhm ... for old drivers why exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that "Beyond 2000" is now called "Beyond Tomorrow". I see it every once and a while on the Science channel.

    3. Re:Uhm ... for old drivers why exactly? by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      So I had a "great idea" about 4 years ago.

      I wanted to put a laser scanner, using a visible red class 1 laser, on the front of my car.
      I'll have it sweep horizontally fast to draw a line. And when the beam hits an object, a bright spot will light up like a laser pointer striking a piece of paper.
      And I'll have that sweep vertically, to cover a 2D area of brightly colored dots.

      Why? So when I drive to Lake Tahoe in thick fog, I want to know if there's any cars in front of me. Or anything else.

      The problem? If I activated it for a quick scan of the area, I'm sure I'd scare the bejeezers out of any other cars in the area because they'll think it's a weapon, or an alien abduction, or something.

  17. libwindshield.so by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Older drivers can be dangerous. I, for one, welcome the new libwindshield.so

  18. pink box by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know about the rest of you, but a "pink box" by the side of the road would cause me to not just slow down, but stop and offer it a ride.

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  19. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by CauseWithoutARebel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because you can be a less than perfect driver and still be good enough that it's not justified to take away your license.

    It's not a substitute for basic competency, it's a way to improve on factors that are already deemed adequate, but could still be better.

  20. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indeed. The average 15 year old has sharper vision and quicker reflexes than anyone who'll need this technology... yet which one of them is allowed to get a driver's license?

    (Hint 1: it's not the one who's statistically likely to cause fewer accidents per mile traveled.)

    (Hint 2: it's the one who's allowed to vote, because politicians wouldn't dare take his driving rights away.)

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  21. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

    Because then noone would be allowed to drive.

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  22. Rehashing older stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cadillac has had projected night vision before, and Pontiac has had a HUD spedometer available on and off for some models since the mid 1980's. If they can polish the two and combine that with a useful GPS minimap that's not too distracting, why not have it as an option for ALL models across ALL brands? (And be more consistent about having it as a feature, instead of pulling it off the market every now and then and falsely touting it as a "new" feature when a car from five years before had it.) Also implement it such that the display or various elements can be toggled on or off, since some people may still find such gadgets more distracting than useful.

    1. Re:Rehashing older stuff? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      If they can polish the two and combine that with a useful GPS minimap that's not too distracting, why not have it as an option for ALL models across ALL brands?

      Hmmm... I've used GPS from time to time, and under ideal conditions it's great. Less than ideal well, they have me crossing over open water. I wouldn't want to depend on GPS to keep me on the road. Call me silly but you rather need some more local feedback on that subject, like reflectors that get computed and displayed on a HUD.

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  23. Sign me up! by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    It blinds speed cameras when i'm speeding right?

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  24. Speeding Traps by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If a driver is speeding, a pink box frames an approaching speed limit sign to draw the driver's attention

    I'd be much more interested if it could point out speed traps to me...

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    1. Re:Speeding Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be much more impressed if the car could detect when you are driving like an asshole (tailgaiting, swerving in and out of lanes, etc.) and pull itself over and not start again.

    2. Re:Speeding Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about CTS (car to speedtrap ) missiles ?
      computer: Target locked. Honk 3x to fire :)

    3. Re:Speeding Traps by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I'd be much more interested if it could point out speed traps to me...

      That's exactly what TomTom GPS devices in this country (UK) do (there's a lot of em over here...). I guess they do in the US too.

    4. Re:Speeding Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we have those here too, but it is a pain-in-the-ass to get complete and recent positions.

  25. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2

    >(Hint 2: it's the one who's allowed to vote, because politicians wouldn't dare take his driving rights away.)

    And yet most 16 year olds can't vote and can get a license.

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  26. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but my grandpa believes almost as much in hist "right" to drive as his right to bear arms... And I will not attempt to take away his keys until someone else has safely taken away his guns.

    Funny how his sight and focus improves when he is looking over the sight of a long arm.

  27. Drive to conditions by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Using technology to compensate for human frailty is asking for trouble. People drive to a perceived level of risk. Hiding the risks make people drive faster and less safely.

    Showing the edge of the road is pointless if the driver is not told about other hazards.

    If you can't see far enough into the fog to brake, then slow down until you can.

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    1. Re:Drive to conditions by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Using technology to compensate for human frailty is asking for trouble

      So we should get rid of the engine then, right?

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    2. Re:Drive to conditions by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly that's why we simply need to have a government mandated "uni-car" that will only go certain speeds on certain roads and will keep a detailed log of all use to be uploaded one a year when you must pay your road use tax since we will have then abolished fuel taxes.

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    3. Re:Drive to conditions by thrillseeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Using technology to compensate for human frailty is asking for trouble.

      Damn those eyeglasses, eh - if you don't have 20/20 vision naturally, you shouldn't be driving ...

      Power steering? Blah - work out in the gym - discard the technology.

      Windscreens? Forget it - only wimps can't carry on a safe comfortable drive with bugs smashing into their teeth all day long at 60 mph.

      Motorcycle helmets and leathers? - only for wusses, of course. And, geez, what about those fighter pilots that wear g-suits - if they can't strain hard enough naturally without having a stroke while pulling 9 Gs for 30 seconds, then they should get out of the cockpit.

      Come to think of it, that's what technology is - compensating for our inability to be from Krypton.

    4. Re:Drive to conditions by FSWKU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if they can't strain hard enough naturally without having a stroke while pulling 9 Gs for 30 seconds, then they should get out of the cockpit.

      Well, it certainly keeps you out of the Blue Angels. Although the main reasoning there is an errant twitch from the air-bladder around your legs could cause you to fly into the ground or a teammate, since the stick is between your knees. Thunderbirds don't have this issue, however, since they use a sidestick (begin USAF vs USN argument now, heh).

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    5. Re:Drive to conditions by radarjd · · Score: 1

      People drive to a perceived level of risk. Hiding the risks make people drive faster and less safely.

      The same argument can be made for car insurance, and to some extent, it's probably true. The alternative, however, is much worse.

    6. Re:Drive to conditions by Koby77 · · Score: 1

      Using technology to compensate for human frailty is asking for trouble.

      The Terminator was frail? I always wanted to have vision and optic targeting mechanisms like him. This brings me one step closer, bwahaha!

    7. Re:Drive to conditions by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      Well, that'd certainly cut down on speeding, and other unsafe driving.

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    8. Re:Drive to conditions by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thunderbirds don't have this issue, however, since they use a sidestick

      I thought the reason that Thunderbirds didn't have that problem was because they were marionettes?

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057790/

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    9. Re:Drive to conditions by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      Good ole blue angels; makes for a great show after some beers and beans.

      I hope the engineers at GM have fun making this expensive car. Might as well enjoy the work you do while you still have a job.

      Domestic manufacturers still haven't figured it out.

    10. Re:Drive to conditions by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      if they can't strain hard enough naturally without having a stroke while pulling 9 Gs for 30 seconds, then they should get out of the cockpit.

      Well, it certainly keeps you out of the Blue Angels.

      No it doesn't. Blue Angels don't wear G suits, but they are limited to no more than 4G's. Really, there's no such thing as being in good enough shape to pull 9G's without a suit and not graying out.

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    11. Re:Drive to conditions by causality · · Score: 1

      Exactly that's why we simply need to have a government mandated "uni-car" that will only go certain speeds on certain roads and will keep a detailed log of all use to be uploaded one a year when you must pay your road use tax since we will have then abolished fuel taxes.

      It would be more like a government to implement your idea while retaining the fuel tax. Not to mention I'm not crazy about the idea about making it easy for the government to collect yet more information.

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    12. Re:Drive to conditions by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I hope the engineers at GM have fun making this expensive car. Might as well enjoy the work you do while you still have a job.

      Assume GM does go bankrupt. Not just a little, but firesale-all-assets-we're-OOB bankrupt.

      The engineering departments WILL be bought. As will their designs. Many of the factories will be closed. HQ will be fired. But the engineers?

      Hardly.

      Domestic manufacturers still haven't figured it out.

      Figured what out? To sell what the market is buying? Or how to make good cars?

      It's not 1980 anymore. Unless you want a hybrid car, you can get as good or better a vehicle from a domestic company as a foreign one. (And that's ignoring that Honda builds in the US now...)

    13. Re:Drive to conditions by oatworm · · Score: 1

      Yep, and take that infernal computing contraption away from him, too! It's masking his frailty in calculating floating point operations!

    14. Re:Drive to conditions by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, that's what technology is - compensating for our inability to be from Krypton.

      Blithe comments like this belie all the nights Superman wakes up in a cold sweat from all the kryptonite he runs into just about everywhere he goes. I know I can't fly, but that could change for him any minute!

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    15. Re:Drive to conditions by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      PP did not put it properly. This is not technology to compensate for frailty; it's technology to compensate for judgement.

      Glasses, windscreens, and headlights all provide the driver with the ability to better process the raw data. This technology seems to pre-select what the driver needs to look out for, which can lead to a dependence on it. What if the technology misses something important?

      As an example, on a road with sidewalks, drivers do not look out for pedestrians (or similar) on the roadway, except at crosswalks. This allows the motorists to go faster, and thus increase risk because they are no longer thinking about pedestrians. The same goes for other traffic signs and signals. However, when you level off the road and strip off signs and pavement markings in urban areas, collisions are reduced significantly, because people are required to act for themselves--the government, through traffic signs and signals, is no longer telling them to behave uniformly (see Shared Space or this news video).

      This new technology is another example of something that reduces the driver's perceived requirement to judge his or her surroundings, which will only make our roads more dangerous.

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    16. Re:Drive to conditions by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      Yeah - to sell what the market is buying. They need to predict these things years in advance, and after seeing several plants closing shop or doing massive layoffs, they did a rather poor job of it. They are only recently producing vehicles such as hybrids. Toyota is making a killing right now, and it's because they predicted correctly that demand for larger vehicles will go down. I thought it was obvious even 10 years ago just from the simple observation that gas prices continually climb.

      And sure, Japanese auto companies are manufacturing in North America, but they are still a foreign corporation, and seem to have a much better financial position in comparison to GM and Ford.

      I don't think you can deny that Ford and GM fucked up.

    17. Re:Drive to conditions by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      It's not HIS fault that half the friggin' earth seems to have the stuff.

      Seriously, how big WAS the planet krypton? If you go with the distribution of kryptonite on earth as a guide, taking into account that the planet is supposedly light years away from earth, the planet must've been bigger than most solar systems, and must've formed a small sun after it exploded!

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    18. Re:Drive to conditions by phorm · · Score: 1

      What the author probably intended was something along the lines of either:

      Using unproven technology in an attempt to compensate for human frailty is asking for trouble

      or

      Using technology in to partially compensate for deficiencies is asking for trouble

      Now, if this is a new wonder-tech that works excellently and reliably, great. However, it seems to me that there are too many variables to account for in this situation, which may lead to either missing important details, or false positives (or the thing might just be a distraction overall). Glasses, helmets, protective clother and windscreens are fairly simplistic in their function. Power steering is perhaps a bit more complicated, but not nearly so much as a system which would have to account for unexpected situations such as this. Hell, if this thing worked perfectly 99% of the time, then GM should license it out, and *everyone* should have it, but frankly even it was functionally capable I've seen plenty of GM vehicles where the power windows and locks and other such systems break down regularly, nevermind something like this.

      Now to add another point:

      if they can't strain hard enough naturally without having a stroke

      It's funny that you mention the stroke and whatnot. Failing bodies in general - not just eyesight - are another reason that age can be a dangerous thing for those behind the wheel. Concentration lapses, medical issues, and other such things all tend to become more prominent with age. I know people with major epileptic conditions that are not allowed to drive, but have seem plenty of elderly people with medical conditions that can strike just as suddenly and dangerously who still drive.

      For myself, I'd love it if all these human frailties could be fixed or compensated for in a manner that was reliable and efficient by the time I am getting too old to drive, but otherwise hopefully I'll be man enough to hang up the keys and take the next bus on my flight to the grocery store.

      OK, the flying bus is still rather unlikely, but we can dream, right?

  28. All this fancy tech by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    And STILL nothing to turn off the damn blinkers. UGH!

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  29. Wow There's a useful product... by neuromancer23 · · Score: 0

    With ideas like this, it hard to understand why GM is going under and becoming the laughing stock of the entire world economy. No seriously, this isn't a sign of bat shit insanity on the part of GM executives, its really a brilliant idea. At least, they will have something completely worthless to offer GM long timers when GM refuses to pay their health benefits and pensions.

  30. Cop cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sure would be nice if this sucker could highlight cop cars as well.

  31. Progress towards automated driving by Jimmy_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is an important first step in making self-driving cars. An automated car needs to recognize hazards and road signs, and it can't afford to have bugs or make mistakes. A driver-assisting windshield does the same thing, but with less severe consequences when it screws up. Once all the bugs are fixed and the limitations are known, it can be used as part of a self-driving car.

    We really, really need computers to handle our driving. A computer would be a safer driver than most of the idiots on the road. It would put a stop to all the drunk driving. But most of all, staring at the road for hours on end is a waste of time. I'd rather spend my commute talking, working or watching a movie, rather than worrying about what my car is doing.

    1. Re:Progress towards automated driving by Drakonik · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. My little sister (sixteen) doesn't understand why my parents and I HATE taking her places. Ignoring the fact that she makes plans without consulting us and expecting us to drop everything WE are doing to do her bidding, driving is a chore. Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun! :D' has never been the driver in bumper-to-bumper rush-hour traffic, where everyone assumes that THEIR destination is more important than the rules of the road or common courtesy or even basic safety.

      Whoopdie-doo, there's cows by the side of the road and beautiful scenery. Too bad I can't watch it, I have to make sure an asshole doesn't cut me off and send me spiralling into a ditch.

      Automated cars that could talk to each other could prevent the ass-hattery that is all too prevalent these days.

    2. Re:Progress towards automated driving by svnt · · Score: 1

      But most of all, staring at the road for hours on end is a waste of time. I'd rather spend my commute talking, working or watching a movie, rather than worrying about what my car is doing.

      But wait friend, a solution exists!

      Get over yourself and ride mass transit today!

    3. Re:Progress towards automated driving by Jimmy_B · · Score: 1

      You have obviously never lived in the suburbs. Here, "mass transit" means driving to the nearest bus or train station. You can't use public transport to get from your home to anywhere, from anywhere to your home, or even from one side of the the commercial district to the other. No one uses mass transit because it simply doesn't exist.

  32. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've had lots of driving enhancements over the years, for safety and ease of use. Power steering, power brakes, automatic transmission, cruise control, directional signals, fog lights, air bags, anti-lock brakes. Just because someone uses them doesn't mean they depend on having them, but these things can make driving safer and more comfortable.

    And the population of seniors will jump in the US over the next couple decades. These people still need to get to work, shop, play golf, visit their kids, etc.

  33. farmers' markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so what kind of outline does it give for farmers' markets? maybe some arrows pointing in the direction? ;)

  34. Oh Mr. Magoo ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... you've done it again!

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  35. EPIC FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get used to it.

  36. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by urbanriot · · Score: 0, Troll

    Odd, I don't know why I'm marked as Troll. I thought that was a valid question. Seriously, people that can't drive without enhancements should be off the road, making it safer for everyone else. Mandatory testing after a certain age should be a requirement.

  37. What about mass casualties? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    The windshield is useless unless it can stop a senior from mowing down civilians in a farmer's market. Let George Russell Weller try it out.

    1. Re:What about mass casualties? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      This is funny to me. Sadly, its also insightful.

  38. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by urbanriot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And they shouldn't be allowed to do any of those things if they're a danger on the road!

  39. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Wo1ke · · Score: 1

    Odd,Seriously, people that can't drive without enhancements should be off the road, making it safer for everyone else.

    My license states that I require glasses to aid my vision when driving. Should I be off the road?

  40. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wear glasses to drive. How is that any different? Or maybe ban us four eyes while you are at it.

  41. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because you can be a less than perfect driver and still be good enough that it's not justified to take away your license.

    Try telling that to the judge next time you're caught driving drunk.

    I know, drinking is optional, growing old is not. But if there's a danger to people on the street, there should be a limit on how old you can be and drive, just as there's a limit on how drunk you can be and drive.

  42. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by maskedbishounen · · Score: 1

    The driving skills and written tests should be required every 5-10 years for all persons. It may not solve the problem, but it would keep those who really needs to be off the road, off of the road. Hopefully.

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  43. Tests for cars... and drivers. by geogob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In some regions (mostly In the EU I think), cars need to be inspected by official instances periodically. On "old" car (like 10 years or so), the period and intensity of those inspections increases... because, obviously, cars tend to have more problems when they get older.

    That's very nice, but on the other hand, the approach for drivers is totally different. You pass your permit once and then you have it for life. Looking at the way people drive here, a periodic reevaluation of law and safety knowledge, driving skills, awareness and visual acuity of the drivers should be done on a periodic basis (like every 5 years or so) and on a more regular basis after a certain age.

    Using these tests, special limitations could be imposed to drivers having problems, like being allowed to drive during the day only. Eventually, full permit revocation could occur.

    That may sound a harsh thing to do for us used to a "lifetime" privilege, but I've witness so many accidents cause by older drivers. Some where so unaware of their situation, they didn't even realize they were implicated in an accident. Few years back, one drove over a 7 year old kit and its bike... thinking he had it a bump on the road. That was 50 meters away from an elementary school, on the hours where kids get out of the school.

    As much as I respect our elders and all they can contribute to us and our society, they do not contribute a lot of good things by driving while not having the health to do so. When you are at the point you require artificial means to cope with your loss of sight and awareness (other than normal glasses or contacts), you shouldn't drive. Period. You are only putting the lives of others (and your own) at risk.

    1. Re:Tests for cars... and drivers. by Leuf · · Score: 1

      Beyond the extreme unlikely hood of any politician deciding to end their career by taking on the AARP on this, why is our response to make the government decide when our parents shouldn't be driving anymore. The loss of our abilities is gradual and therefore hard to see ourselves, easy to be in denial about, and it means the loss of independence and having to rely on those who once relied on us. A delicate situation which we would like to pass off to the DMV?

      How about if an older driver is found to cause an accident because of their reduced abilities you make their children responsible for 50 percent of the damages.

    2. Re:Tests for cars... and drivers. by geogob · · Score: 1

      In a world where you can't expect half the population to take care in a sane, responsible and decent way of their children, how can you expect to take care of their parents.

      In many, if not all cases, the children are not objective in their evaluation. You can't revoke someone's driving privileges on subjective assessment nor you can expect people to follow "moral driving guidelines" and stop driving when they did it their whole life. An official permit removal and license removal has a real and immediate effect, unlike good will.

      And, obviously, in most cases, having independent and objective instances assessing the situation should make this question much less delicate and difficult in the families when the situation arises.

  44. How to eliminate your blind spot. by CecilPL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can eliminate that blind spot by adjusting your driver-side side view mirror so that you can just see the side of your car when your head is against the window. See http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~gdguo/driving/BlindSpot.htm for images.

    1. Re:How to eliminate your blind spot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done this since the first car I bought, the first day. It's intuitive now. It's not always "perfect" with my head straight, as there still might be a little gap, but rather than turn my head and look, I just have to tilt my head to the side a little and fill the gap in.

    2. Re:How to eliminate your blind spot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been turning my mirror out for awhile now. Seemed like the right think to do as the rear view and side view mirrors "overlapped" too much. I still look over my shoulder though - habit.

    3. Re:How to eliminate your blind spot. by istartedi · · Score: 1

      I learned to do this very quickly when I was a delivery driver in the late 80s. It caused me to put a lot more thought into driving since it was an all-day affair. At some point after that, my sister asked "do you actually use your mirrors?". In retrospect, I think she must have misunderstood why the side view mirrors were turned so far out.

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    4. Re:How to eliminate your blind spot. by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      I first learned about this here. Shortly afterward, I drove down to see my future mother-in-law in my fiancee's new car. My fiancee let her mother drive and I promptly was scolded for not having the mirrors the "correct" way. I tried to explain to her why it's better, but she wouldn't hear any of it.

      My fiancee also complains about that method because if she has people in the back seat it leaves a blind spot behind the rear passenger's heads.

      I think this method is wonderful. I just wonder why driver's education instructors don't teach it.

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  45. Cars Are More Common Than Deer by reallocate · · Score: 1

    The chances of a deer being in front of you are miniscule compared with the chances of a car being front of you.

    Your logic would have us avoid dealing with the commonplace to prepare for the rare.

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    1. Re:Cars Are More Common Than Deer by gb506 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You don't live in rural Wisconsin, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Cars Are More Common Than Deer by stuff+and+such · · Score: 1

      nor do you live in southern Ohio, the road from home to college has more deer than cars at night.

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    3. Re:Cars Are More Common Than Deer by Gregb05 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Furthermore, Cars tend not to jump unexpectedly out from the bushes.

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    4. Re:Cars Are More Common Than Deer by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      The relative frequency of cars and deer depends entirely on the areas in which you drive.

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    5. Re:Cars Are More Common Than Deer by reallocate · · Score: 1

      And...?

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  46. Awesome by drmofe · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how long will it take for someone to invent an extension to this that identified b00bies, highlights them, measures them, photographs them, rates them and uploads them to the Internet?

    1. Re:Awesome by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

      An extension? This windshield runs Firefox?

      "Good evening, officer."
      "License and headers, please."

  47. For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My father was an excellent driver, even though he was blind in one eye and thus had no depth perception. He'd learned over the years how to compensate and judge distances without it. He was still driving, safely, until his health failed in his mid-80s. However, this was in part because of a class he'd been to: Alive at 55. The idea behind the class was that elderly drivers, with slower reflexes and dimming vision should limit themselves to 55 mph on the freeway and stay in the right-hand lane whenever possible. He didn't need any fancy, expensive technology to keep him safe, he just drove at a speed that was safer for him. I've always kept that in mind, and when I get old enough to worry about such things, I'll be doing exactly the same thing.

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    1. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the speed limit is 60, 65, or 70, and that person can't drive (at least) the speed limit, then they really shouldn't be on the road, regardless of the lane.

      People are absolutely obsessed with speed as if it is the ultimate safety no-no. The amount of speed is rarely the cause of an accident (it can make an accident worse, though). It is the DIFFERENCE in speed that is much more important. If the regular flow of traffic is 75 and there is someone insisting on driving 55, then it is a great safety hazard. Now everyone has to pass, if they can. If they can't, then they get annoyed and start doing stupid things, like not leaving proper following distance, swerving, passing on the shoulder, aggressive acceleration when passing, etc.

      "Alive at 55" is a good idea, but only if it is about SAFER driving- being more alert, using signals, stopping distractions, proper following distances, planning in advance, checking blind spots, understanding the capabilities/limitations of your vehicle, etc. And these are things that apply to everyone, no matter what their age is.

    2. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Informative
      It is the DIFFERENCE in speed that is much more important. If the regular flow of traffic is 75 and there is someone insisting on driving 55, then it is a great safety hazard.

      And that's why Alive at 55 specifies keeping over to the right, with the rest of the slow traffic. You drive at a speed that's safer for you and keep out of the way of the younger, faster drivers so as not to cause a hazard or obstruct traffic.

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    3. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post.

      As a physicist, I am acutely aware of the dangers of driving. As such I have found that sticking to the speed limit and not treating the road as my personal racetrack gives me ample time to react and compensate for any trouble I see looming..

    4. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by evilviper · · Score: 1, Informative

      If the speed limit is 60, 65, or 70, and that person can't drive (at least) the speed limit, then they really shouldn't be on the road, regardless of the lane.

      Either you don't drive, or you're absolutely oblivious to the world around you when you do... The speed limit is the maximum, not the minimum.

      In CA, the speed limit for trucks is 55 MPH, and often, they don't all get up to even that speed. Elsewhere, load weight, terrain, and aerodynamic drag naturally limit loaded trucks to speeds not much faster than that. Staying in the far right lane, with the slower trucks will indeed allow you to keep-up with the flow of traffic going just 55MPH.

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    5. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My father was an excellent driver, even though he was blind in one eye and thus had no depth perception. He'd learned over the years how to compensate and judge distances without it. He was still driving, safely, until his health failed in his mid-80s. However, this was in part because of a class he'd been to: Alive at 55. The idea behind the class was that elderly drivers, with slower reflexes and dimming vision should limit themselves to 55 mph on the freeway and stay in the right-hand lane whenever possible. He didn't need any fancy, expensive technology to keep him safe, he just drove at a speed that was safer for him. I've always kept that in mind, and when I get old enough to worry about such things, I'll be doing exactly the same thing.

      Interesting... but I wouldn't wait until you're in your old age. Not because you aren't capable of driving at speed, mind you (I wouldn't presume to say, because I haven't seen you drive. For all I know, you could be good enough for F1), and not even because it's safer (lower speed = lower kinetic energy in a crash).... because it's better on gas.

      I used to be the kind of driver who'd quite happily cruise the highway at speeds approaching 150-180kph (call it 95-120mph). I consider myself to have the skill and reflexes to drive at that speed. But I don't. When I hit the highway, or any road where there isn't a lot of stop and go, I use cruise control, and stick to the speed limit and the far right lane. Still pay attention, can still step on the gas or brake as needed (and I have a manual transmission, so tapping the clutch or brake immediately cancels the cruise), can still react either defensively or aggressively as the situation warrants -and that's my biggest gripe with "defensive" driving... there are situations where you need to accelerate hard or be otherwise aggressive to get out of a danger- but I get significantly better gas mileage out of staying in the slow lanes and using cruise control.

      End result? I fill up my car about once every 3 weeks where I used to fill up every 2 weeks (and I haven't changed how often or how far I drive). At $60/tank it makes a difference. And it hasn't significantly increased the duration of my commute to/from work... maybe 1-2 minutes on a 25-minute commute each way, or about 10-20 minutes longer in the car per week.

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    6. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot and I hate you. In good road and weather conditions drive the speed limit, no more, no less. If you can't, then you shouldn't be on that road.

      Either you don't drive, or you're absolutely oblivious to the world around you when you do... trucks in New York state have no trouble driving 65mph with load weight, terrain and aerodynamic drag.

    7. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by jamesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People are absolutely obsessed with speed as if it is the ultimate safety no-no.

      I've found it's almost the opposite. People are absolutely obsessed with speed as if the posted speed limit is a mandatory minimum. People get so pissed if someone is doing 80kph in a 100kph zone. It's as if they feel that their rights are being violated by being 'forced' to drive 20kph below the limit. Driving at 80kph instead of 100kph for 20km until you have a safe spot to pass isn't going to kill you, in fact it's almost certainly going to do the opposite.

      20km is probably an extreme in terms of the amount of time you'd be stuck behind someone, and if the roads are such that you'd go 20km without finding a safe place to overtake then maybe driving at the posted speed limit isn't such a hot idea anyway.

      Anyway, at 100kph, it will take you about 12 minutes to travel 20km. At 80kph, it will take you about 15 minutes, 3 minutes more. Even if you were stuck behind that someone for 100km, it'll only take you an extra 15 minutes.

      My examples are probably a little bit extreme though, the people I would normally get 'stuck' behind are usually traveling less than 5kph under the posted limit, and it's normally for much less than 20km.

      Everyone just needs to calm down and stop behaving like a bunch of idiots who think their lives will come to an end if they can't do the speed they want to do.

    8. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by plover · · Score: 1

      Everyone just needs to calm down and stop behaving like a bunch of idiots who think their lives will come to an end if they can't do the speed they want to do.

      Nice thought. Useless, but nice.

      People ARE a bunch of idiots. 50% of them are below average. 90% of the adult population has driver's licenses. It doesn't take a math genius to know that a very large number of people on the road are really too stupid to drive.

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    9. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly who should be taken off the road when grandpa is going at 60 in a 65, and an idiot drives past at 90, while the rest of the traffic averages 75?

      We need to do either or both of the following:

      (1) arrest anyone/everyone going over the speed limit
      (2) increase the speed limit

    10. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hate this logic because it's not actually the law.

      Speed limits are just that. A limit. It's not illegal to drive under it (and in fact, in bad weather you're supposed to anyways!).

      That being said, if I'm doing 65 in a 65 and you're tailgating me, you're sadly mistaken that I'll speed up for you. And *I'm* not the danger, it's the prick who is two feet behind my car tailgating that is the danger.

      I don't get where people get this idea that they simply must be driving 20mph over the limit on any and all trips. Most of the time it buys you nothing [re: traffic/red lights] and just wastes fuel.

      While I'm at it, I don't get why people bitch about fuel prices. Most people don't drive efficiently anyways, up and down on the gas, accelerating hard, speeding, driving oversized land yachts, etc... If and only if you drive properly in a right-sized car, then you can bitch about the cost of gas. Until then you're just wasting fuel anyways so obviously you don't care what it costs.

      Finally, calm the fuck down. If I'm doing 65 in the left while the right is doing 60, wait till there is an opening to pass. I'm not gonna do 75 or 80 in the left while passing people just so you can feel better about yourself. And no amount of rushing, tailgating, flashing, swerving or other gestures is gonna make me speed up. I'm responsible for my vehicle and I take it seriously.

    11. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by jamesh · · Score: 1

      People ARE a bunch of idiots. 50% of them are below average. 90% of the adult population has driver's licenses. It doesn't take a math genius to know that a very large number of people on the road are really too stupid to drive.

      Below average does not necessarily mean bad though, provided the average is high enough.

      It'll never happen, but it would be cool to make it a driving license requirement to pass a stress test. Something like a simulator with a wife next to you who's birthday you forgot (or husband that you ticked off somehow), 3 kids in the back that you've just given a cola drink to, and a driver in front who slows down to 80kph around bends but speeds up to 105kph every time there is a good spot to overtake (assuming speed limit = 100kph). The passing criteria would be to endure that for 30 minutes and then not punch the test administrator afterwards when he asks how you feel :)

    12. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by markdavis · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that people need to calm down.
      I also agree with you that tailgating is not a good idea.
      I even agree with you that people drive wasteful cars for no good reason.

      But there are, indeed, laws about driving too slowly, in most places.

      Another problem with speed limits is that they are often simply too low. I have noticed that it seems to vary by state and locality, though. In some places, the posted speed limits are sensible, and in others, they are far too low (and everyone seems to know it).

      Don't misread what I originally said, though. I said that speed DIFFERENCE is more of a safety concern than actual speed. If the flow is 10 MPH over the speed limit and people are driving with correct following distance, etc, then there is zero concern. But if there is a 10 or 15 MPH difference in the apparent flow, trouble starts. This is just as true the other way too- if the posted limit is 70 and the current flow is 50, a few people trying to drive 75 is trouble.

      Regarding travel in the left lane... It doesn't matter what the posted limit is- if you are in the left lane and someone overtakes you, you are ALWAYS supposed to move over to the right lane, if possible, and prior to them reaching you. If you are going the limit and can't move over because there is no opening, you shouldn't have to accelerate, although sometimes it is prudent. But again, this further reinforces what I have been saying- if the flow were more consistent (regardless of the "limit"), then situations like you describe would happen far less often and people wouldn't be tailgating, flashing, swerving, etc.

    13. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      In addition to trucks, other cases include:

      * small motor vehicles, like old subcompacts or new electric-only subcompacts, which can't go that fast

      * bicycles, which are legally considered vehicles across North America

      * in poor weather, poor visibility, or construction zones, speed should be reduced.

      - RG>

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    14. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO.

      The speed limit is the MINIMUM speed you should be going, assuming optimum visibility and road conditions.

      And if you're going that speed, stay the fuck in the right lane. Nobody else on the road will be going that slow.

      And most places, trucks don't have an alternate speed limit, and they do a very good job of keeping up with the rest of the traffic at 80 or 85.

    15. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are absolutely obsessed with speed as if it is the ultimate safety no-no. The amount of speed is rarely the cause of an accident (it can make an accident worse, though). It is the DIFFERENCE in speed that is much more important. If the regular flow of traffic is 75 and there is someone insisting on driving 55, then it is a great safety hazard. Now everyone has to pass, if they can. If they can't, then they get annoyed and start doing stupid things, like not leaving proper following distance, swerving, passing on the shoulder, aggressive acceleration when passing, etc.

      How many times do people need to be told this? the posted speed limit is the MAXIMUM safe speed, not the required speed. Paying attention that you are not overtaking the car doing 55 in front of you, and that there is sufficient braking distance is YOUR responsibility. Passing when unsafe to do so, or losing your temper means YOU are driving unsafely, not the person in front of you.

    16. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by plover · · Score: 1

      The passing criteria would be to endure that for 30 minutes and then not punch the test administrator afterwards when he asks how you feel :)

      Heh. The guy who passes that test is going to be mighty busy, since he'll be the only licensed driver on the planet.

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    17. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      My father was an excellent driver, even though he was blind in one eye and thus had no depth perception.

      Binocular vision isn't the only thing that allows depth perception. There are actually more monocular cues to depth than binocular. However, binocular depth perception is superior, losing an eye doesn't eliminate the ability do judge depth. Your father had impaired depth perception.

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    18. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I am an excellent driver, and I have great depth perception... but I drive a vehicle that is slow on the draw and has a couple major blind spots. So I do pretty much the same thing -- I cruise along at the lower end of the traffic flow speed (giving myself and others more time to react, without going so slow as to inhibit the flow of traffic) and I try to avoid changing lanes into my truck's biggest blind spot, which happens to be on the right. (Those truck bypasses, that let trucks always merge *away* from their righthand blind area, are a wonderful thing.)

      Which is how I discovered that you can drive all the way from Santa Clarita to Anaheim with only ONE lane change (just south of downtown).

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    19. Re:For older drivers, this is the wrong solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This depends on the car. Odd but true, a 1994 Cadillac gets about 25MPG at 55 but 30MPG at 90MPH. My parent's current Caddy gets better milage at 65 than 55 too (but, does drop off above 70).

  48. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

    It's not a substitute for basic competency, it's a way to improve on factors that are already deemed adequate

    But knowing and respecting your limitations is basic competency. Including knowing if you shouldn't be driving at night or in the fog. Bad night vision might not be a reason to take away someone's license, but driving at night with bad night vision is a reason to take away that license.

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  49. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are states that allow 14 and 15 year olds to drive. If you want to know why, it's because Tractors and certain off road vehicles require a license, and these states have people that live in the boonies.

    http://golocalnet.com/drivingage/

  50. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, jack ass, there's a difference between "needs some help" and "a danger on the road."

    Let's stop allowing people who don't have 20-20 vision from driving, because they might forget their contacts or glasses!

    Most old people I see driving drive better than most young people. They drive slower, yeah, and that's a real pain sometimes, but they drive CAREFUL. Very, very few are the types you're worried about.

    I say this as a 25 year old.

    hah, captcha: follies.

  51. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone who drives is a danger on the road, just as everyone who owns a gun is at some risk of accidentally harming themselves or their own family. The level of danger is relative. The question is, what is an acceptable level of danger, given the needs and legally established rights of the individual? It's not black and white. In most parts of America, having a car is important for people's lifestyles and ability to get to work. If they're living in a nursing or retirement home, things might be different, but most people over age 65 have much more active lifestyles, and many still have careers.

    The insurance companies tell us that people under age 25 are substantially more likely than older drivers to make a claim. The 16-19 age group is particularly bad. Does that mean that people shouldn't get licensed to drive until they're 20 or 25? Some would say yes, but tradition in this country is that youngsters should know how to drive by the time they graduate from high school. Otherwise their parents might spend a lot of time shuttling their kids around, or paying big bucks for someone else to do so. Similarly, it would be quite burdensome for many still-active seniors not to be able to drive.

  52. It has a heads up display that flashes by alfredo · · Score: 1

    "Turn off your turn signal asshole!"

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  53. Artificial Intelligence by kylegordon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Will it come with AI too? It'll need it in the UK.

    a pink box frames an approaching speed limit sign to draw the driver's attention - presumably it has inbuilt magic to detect signs that are important or not.

    Over here, it'll need to figure out the difference between speed limit signs, weather warning signs, stop signs, signs telling us there's speed bumps 250 yards up on the side street to the left, signs to warn us of pedestrians at, uuurm pedestrian crossings, and last but not least, signs to warn us of traffic lights coming up.

    My grandpa used to complain of information overload on the roads - 10 years ago. I'm 28 now, and am complaining about it. I just hope these 'smart systems' can filter out the crap from the useful stuff and make lives easier.

  54. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by barzok · · Score: 1

    If you're caught operating a car without corrective lenses, yes.

  55. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by barzok · · Score: 1

    Exactly. If they can't handle driving without the assistance of gadgets on their car, what will happen when the gadgets break?

    Also, this doesn't solve more dangerous problems. Just today in my area, an elderly woman "got confused" and hit the accelerator and not the brake, slamming head-on into a house at a high speed. All the "vision enhancement" gadgets in the world wouldn't have prevented that.

  56. Farmers Markets by virtigex · · Score: 1

    What we really need is cross-hairs for identifying and eliminating farmers markets for these old folks.

  57. Gee. What I'd like to see is... by buss_error · · Score: 1

    Less of a blindspot due to roof supports on Chevy's (I drive an Impala LT), less haze caused by scratches in the windshield, about 10 MPG better milage, and directional spotlights tied in to the blinkers so I can see where I WANT to go. It's nice to hit the remote start system, but it would be better to be able to choose between remote start and "roll down all the windows". I live where it's VERY hot. Rolling down the windows would work much better than to run the A/C for a few minutes before I enter the car.

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  58. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by blincoln · · Score: 1

    And yet most 16 year olds can't vote and can get a license.

    Over the last decade or so, that ability has been continuously chipped away at and crippled, at least in some parts of the US. E.g. if you are 16 or 17, you can get a "license", but you can't have passengers in your car unless one of them is over 25, that kind of thing.

    So I would say that the GP is correct - politicians *would* dare to restrict the driving abilities of those who can't vote.

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  59. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by JanneM · · Score: 1

    "Why are people that require 'driving enhancements' allowed to drive in the first place?"

    Enhancements like eyeglasses? Or automatic gearboxes? Or hand-actuated accellerator? Seems we allow devices to correct for impairments already.

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  60. Already done in Texas by SloWave · · Score: 1

    GM should do what they already do for old rich oilmen in Texas. Grind the windshields to prescription so they don't have to wear their eyeglasses.

  61. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know, drinking is optional, growing old is not. But if there's a danger to people on the street, there should be a limit on how old you can be and drive, just as there's a limit on how drunk you can be and drive.

    Where do you put the limit?

    I have one friend in his 30's who lost his license due to too many moving violations. Another in his 90's with a nearfect record. (Though the law where he lives requires him to get a driving exam every two years - actual driving, not just the written exam. He has always scored very high.)

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  62. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because you can be a less than perfect driver and still be good enough that it's not justified to take away your license.

    The US should make its requirements more stringent and have a more gradual driver license.

    So if you start losing some of your faculties, you're no longer allowed to drive your old Plymouth tank -- but still can drive a compact car. And if you lose more of your faculties, then you're no longer allowed to drive your compact car, and only allowed to drive an electrical golf cart car. You could make the system more gradual still. You'd basically base the system on the overall poundage of the car, and the maximum speed of the vehicle (should you lose consciousness and press on the gas pedal continuously).

    By making the system more gradual, you'd make the system easier and less dreadful to implement. Plus, this would encourage car manufacturers to develop cars that are even smaller and safer for older drivers to operate.

  63. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by westlake · · Score: 1
    Why are people that require 'driving enhancements' allowed to drive in the first place?
    .

    I suggest a taste of what passes for rural metro bus service in your area.

    In the western third of our county there is one morning run and one afternoon run.

    Your daily commute is at 2 1/2 hours out and 2 1/2 hours back.

    Its primary purpose is transportation for the physically fit but mentally retarded adult - linking group homes, clinics, hospitals, sheltered work programs and so on.

    It is to be blunt a drearily institutional run - rather more cheering and sociable than the sheriff's prison van.

    But planned and executed in much the same spirit.

    Some passengers will need to be coaxed onto the bus. Some passengers will need to be coaxed off the bus. Some cannot be trusted to cross a road alone.

    The service is theoretically open to anyone. You can schedule a pick-up anywhere on the route. But there are no wheelchair lifts. No shelters.

    In the winter you might find some relief in the shadow of the neighborhood mini-mart - still closed at 7 AM. The driver may roar past your stop without thinking.

    The steps will be Alpine for anyone needing a cane.

  64. This article misses a much bigger trend ... by timholman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...i.e. that in 20 years, automobiles will be driving themselves. I give a lecture on the consequences of Moore's Law to a freshmen class every year. Some of the things I tell students: "You are the last generation that will need to learn to drive. To your children it will be an option. To your grandchildren it will be as quaint a concept as learning to saddle and ride a horse. Best of all, you will never have to face the decision that your parents must face with your grandparents - when to take away the car keys. You and your parents will always have the independence of personal transportation, because you'll simply climb into a car and tell it where you want to go."

    Vision enhancement for older drivers will be moot when they don't have to drive in the first place.

    1. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because a technology is economically feasible and provides undeniable advantages over the status quo doesn't it will be widely accepted and deployed. For some, like videophones and perhaps Blu-Ray, public enthusiasm is less than anticipated. Others, like Sony Betamax and IBM's MicroChannel bus architecture in the '80s, were done in by political factors, business mistakes, and the like.

      In the case of autopiloted cars, I suspect that people will find the experience similar to riding the subway or a bus. People do not get the same temporary increase in satisfaction riding the subway or bus that they do from driving their own vehicles.

    2. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by timholman · · Score: 1

      In the case of autopiloted cars, I suspect that people will find the experience similar to riding the subway or a bus. People do not get the same temporary increase in satisfaction riding the subway or bus that they do from driving their own vehicles.

      You're comparing apples to oranges. An autopiloted car is not like a bus or subway (crowded, inconvenient, and operating on its own schedule, not yours), but instead like a personal chauffeur (always on call, takes you wherever you want, whenever you want). In an autopiloted car you can nap, you can read the paper, you can watch TV, you can work ... and all in personal comfort and safety.

      Your attitude is very much like that of some students when they hear my lecture. They are young, and to them driving represents maturity and independence. They haven't yet had the "pleasure" of commuting an hour through rush hour traffic 5 days a week for twenty years. When I tell them "I would give up driving tomorrow if I could buy an autonomous vehicle", every person over the age of 35 who may be in the audience nods his or her head in agreement.

      On top of that, once autonomous vehicles become a reality, and we no longer have 40,000 deaths, hundreds of thousands of maimings, and hundreds of billions of medical costs every year in the U.S. alone, the insurance companies and the politicians will put an end to human driving quickly enough. Personal transportation is a necessity in America; having a human behind the wheel will not be.

    3. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're missing one of the chief sources of satisfaction people get from driving. It is a feeling of *direct* control over their movements, on a scale that is not feasible with walking or bicycling. Having a chauffeur (human or robotic) taking them places does not provide the same satisfaction. That's something that people will loathe to give up, in spite of the advantages of increased safety that an automated system would have.

      As for napping or reading the paper, no thanks, I'd rather drive. I don't especially enjoy being a passenger in a taxi or limo even when I'm able to do those other things.

    4. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by Scannerman · · Score: 1

      In the case of autopiloted cars, I suspect that people will find the experience similar to riding the subway or a bus. People do not get the same temporary increase in satisfaction riding the subway or bus that they do from driving their own vehicles.

      I drive around 30,000 miles a year - in the UK so a lot of that is very slow in traffic.

      Its damn tiring.

      I cant wait for the 'full auto' button so that i can switch off for a while and still make progress.

    5. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I think the biggest problem with the self-driving car is the lawyers. It's inevitable that someone will get seriously hurt or killed by one, and ambulance chasers are going to see the auto manufacturer as someone with deep pockets and the lawsuits will start flying. For that reason alone I don't see the self-driving car anytime in the future, save for things like the self-parking car where speeds are so slow that someone is unlikely to be seriously hurt.

    6. Re:This article misses a much bigger trend ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh Yes! The autodrive car! I will park it next to my flying car and personal jet-pack in the garage.

  65. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Because then noone would be allowed to drive.

    By god, you've figured it out!

    No traffic jams, no traffic - cut's down on road wear and maintenance, cuts down on taxes.
    Less fuel costs - less pressure on oil prices, less dependence on weird foreigners.
    Fewer accidents - lowers you insurance costs, keeps medical bills down.
    Less car upkeep - money right in your pocket.

    Let's go for it!

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  66. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

    And yet most 16 year olds can't vote and can get a license.

    Increasingly fewer 16 yr olds are getting licenses. In some cases, the minimum age has been increased, in other cases, the restrictions on the licenses no longer allow the 16 (or 17) year old to chaulfer her/his younger sibs so the parents do not have to (so the parents no longer see a reason to pay for driving lessons or higher insurance premiums).

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  67. Something else by deepgrey · · Score: 1

    that I don't need which will break.

  68. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by aztektum · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to the "your rights end where mine start" thing? If someone can't drive w/o enhancements, that's a public safety risk. Second, technology fails, especially when it's developed by corporations motivated by profit margins.

    It's situations like this I think of the line in Armageddon, about the rocket full of fuel containing a nuclear warhead and thousands of moving parts being built by the lowest bidder.

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  69. So you're a communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a central decision-making authority chooses the area of greatest social benefit and directs investment there, that's a command economy, like communism.

    If simultaneous investments are made in all areas that look like they might turn a profit, and further investment in the successful ones is provided by success in the market, that's capitalism.

    Which do you prefer?

  70. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Although your "telling that to the judge" is insightful, your comment about "should be a limit on how old you can be" is absolutely, 100% wrong.

    Your age, be it 50, 60, 70, 80, or 90, is totally irrelevant as a determination for your ability to drive. Your *PERFORMANCE* is a reasonable indicator. So I would very much support comprehensive TESTING of [all] drivers to make sure they can still see, compute, and react in a reasonable manner. Defining what is "reasonable" could be complicated, but it is certainly a hell of a lot more fair than revoking a license from a perfectly capable driver simply because they hit some magic age.

    And while we are on the topic of driving, and drinking.... having some magic alcohol percent present in your blood is just as stupid an indicator as some arbitrary age. I have never consumed alcohol, plus I am a small-framed, non-overweight person, so just one drink would totally incapacitate me. Someone who is large and drinks regularly could have the same blood level and be fine. Again, is it "easy" to test people for performance? No, it is harder. But it is fair. One could be just as incapacitated from lack of sleep, cold medication, low blood sugar, etc, none of which have a defined "blood level" for driving.

  71. It never rains in southern California by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think they would benefit more by learning to adjust the speed and how their vehicles actually handle in inclement weather.
    .

    It interests me when the geek argues that less information - less situational awareness is better.

    I have been caught in rush hour traffic in Buffalo New York when visibility has shrunk to nothing in fog and snow and ice ---sandwiched between drivers who had their own notion of what was safe.

    1. Re:It never rains in southern California by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It interests me when the geek argues that less information - less situational awareness is better.

      I have been caught in rush hour traffic in Buffalo New York when visibility has shrunk to nothing in fog and snow and ice ---sandwiched between drivers who had their own notion of what was safe.

      Depends entirely on the situation. There have been experiments in a number of European city centres where all the warning signs, traffic lights etc. were removed.

      The result was that drivers suddenly found themselves forced to pay attention to the road. Vehicles started moving more slowly and there were fewer accidents. There was also a lot less of the stop-start traffic you get with traffic lights, with the result that on average vehicles were able to reach their destination much quicker.

      FWIW, driving in thick fog is hard. Just because the sales rep with his wankermobile has the fancy windscreen which increases contrast so much that he hardly even knows it's foggy doesn't mean everyone else on the road does. I can easily see this kind of situation leading to accidents - and ironically they'd be caused by the person who can see better, taking risks that nobody else would.

    2. Re:It never rains in southern California by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

      I live in Buffalo and I can say this guy is %100 right, it is a bad idea to drive like we do in the weather that we do. However people adjust if you experiance it year after year you get used to it and even find it easy. Older drivers are even MORE of a hazard though they seem to speed up in the snow and slow down when everything is clear making for some very interesting winter drives, I guess they figure they have less time left so they need to get places sooner.

    3. Re:It never rains in southern California by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I live in Buffalo and I can say this guy is %100 right, it is a bad idea to drive like we do in the weather that we do. However people adjust if you experiance it year after year you get used to it and even find it easy.

      I live across the border in Ontario, and probably get about the same crap weather you do in winter.

      However, our drivers are never prepared for the first couple of snows in winter.

      It's either that they're seemingly completely ignoring the fact that it's snowed at all, and they're blasting along at the same speed they do on dry pavement, or they think they're driving on black ice with a trunk full of nitroglycerin, and do 10 MPH.

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  72. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by KGIII · · Score: 1
    • Anti-lock breaking
    • Power assisted breaking
    • Electronic traction control
    • All-wheel drive
    • Limited-slip diferentials
    • Automatic transmissions
    • Hand controls for the handicapped

    All of those are just a few of the examples of the methods used to empower people who are unable to drive to do so more safely. Many of those are things you rely on daily unless you're driving a Flintstone vehicle or a tractor. Why? Really, I think too many people drive who can not but I suspect it is because people believe that they have a right to move around freely and this is a compromise (and always has been) and not all of us can be qualified professional drivers.

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  73. Damn it GM! I'm a driver, not a weapons expert! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ...high-tech windshield that users lasers and infra-red sensors...

    LASERS do not belong in cars.
    They belong on sharks - get with the program.

    Warning sticker: Do not look at windsheild with remaining good eye...

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  74. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    So I would say that the GP is correct - politicians *would* dare to restrict the driving abilities of those who can't vote.

    Or won't vote.

  75. Here's a better idea: Soylent Green by turing_m · · Score: 1

    And in Soviet Russia when you are 65, grocery store needs to go get YOU!

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  76. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    Well, your glasses can compensate for the vision degradation. Do we have something that can compensate for the degradation in people's reflexes?

    Testing should be mandatory every few years, not just for the elderly. What if your vision starts to go at a much earlier age? Stupid you, you think you see just fine and then you run over some equally stupid kid.

  77. Fun! by Webs+101 · · Score: 3, Funny
    How long until somebody hacks it to draw targeting reticles on pedestrians and other vehicles?

    I've been waiting for something like that for 20 years.

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    1. Re:Fun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dictionary.com can't find a definition for 'recticle'. WTF?

  78. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by mh1997 · · Score: 1

    there should be a limit on how old you can be and drive, just as there's a limit on how drunk you can be and drive.

    Actually, the minimum age to drive should be raised to around 44. That is the first time that the percentage of drivers that age equals the percentage of accidents they are in. For example, 16 - 19 years old is 4.7% of the driving population, but have 13.5% of the accidents.

    20 -24 are 8.4% but have 14.3% of accidents.

  79. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A better use of GM's time would be to detect when a driver is old, then disable the engine and lock the brakes.

    1. Re:Subject by Scannerman · · Score: 1

      can we check back with you on this in say 50 years?

    2. Re:Subject by scaryjohn · · Score: 1

      A better use of GM's time would be to detect when a driver is old, then disable the engine and lock the brakes.

      Oh, ambiguous word choice. Imagine that happening once the car is on the highway. The car would redline as it goes into neutral and skid all over as the ABS starts to do the opposite of what it was originally intended to do.

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    3. Re:Subject by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      How about detecting alcohol levels, or detecting excessive driver frustration and then doing the same things? You know, stuff that would affect you too.

    4. Re:Subject by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I think the vehicle should detect whenever someone installs tacky rims or one of those ridiculous fart cans on it, then wait for the owner to get into it and strangle them to death with the automatic seatbelts. We'd all be better off that way.

    5. Re:Subject by jamesh · · Score: 1

      A better use of GM's time would be to detect when a driver is old, then disable the engine and lock the brakes.

      Oh, ambiguous word choice. Imagine that happening once the car is on the highway. The car would redline as it goes into neutral and skid all over as the ABS starts to do the opposite of what it was originally intended to do.

      Now that would be fun. You'd be driving along and as soon as the clock ticks over to your 65th birthday the engine would stop and the brakes would lock. Everyone driving past would yell out 'happy birthday grandpa!', and then the age police would take you away a la Logans Run.

    6. Re:Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Sure, although if I'm still reading Slashdot at 86 you might as well just put a bullet in me anyway.

    7. Re:Subject by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      A better use of GM's time would be to detect when a driver is old, then disable the engine and lock the brakes.

      There goes McCain's campaign.
             

    8. Re:Subject by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      A better use of GM's time would be to detect when a driver is old, then disable the engine and lock the brakes.

      But Buick and Cadillac sales would plummet! GM's on tough times already. They need to play up to their main demographic.

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  80. The minimum driving age by westlake · · Score: 1
    There are states that allow 14 and 15 year olds to drive.
    .

    With apologies to the A.C. who first posted this link:

    State-by-state Driving Rules for Teenage Drivers

  81. Shows How Out-of-Touch GM. At Toyota We... by littlewink · · Score: 1

    working on seat with disposable diaper for "accidents" while driving. Keep you dry while driving!

    Also most terrific GPS that obey commands "take me home", "home, boy!" and "Wherethef***amI?" with most sincere and honorable retort.

  82. Apples and oranges by dj245 · · Score: 1

    None of these objects are particularly prone to failure, and when they do fail, it isn't particularly hazardous. I have never had a pair of glasses spontaneously break. You can drive safely without power steering. If your windshield shatters you probably have other problems. If you need your helmet you also have other problems.

    Now suppose this windshield fails. Maybe the power dies, or the sensor is dirty, or the shape recogniton software misses something, or it misjudges the velocity or trajectory of an object. If the person relies on this device at the time of failure, splat. The other devices can fail, but they generally won't lie to you.

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  83. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by westlake · · Score: 1
    The average 15 year old has sharper vision and quicker reflexes than anyone who'll need this technology... yet which one of them is allowed to get a driver's license?
    .

    Vision and reflexes are fine. Experience, judgment and self-control can count for more. Each spring we bury a few more kids who didn't make it past their high school graduation.

  84. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. The average 15 year old has sharper vision and quicker reflexes than anyone who'll need this technology... yet which one of them is allowed to get a driver's license?

    (Hint 1: it's not the one who's statistically likely to cause fewer accidents per mile traveled.)

    What color is the sky in the world where you live?

    On my planet, which we call Earth, young drivers are involved in a disproportionately high number of traffic accidents. It's why their insurance rates are higher than the rates assigned to older people - they tend to be crappier drivers due to inexperience and a tendency to make stupid mistakes like driving way too fast, driving while drunk, driving while staring at their girlfriend's breasts, etc.

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  85. Testosterone Poisoning by Detritus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Where I live, old people are rarely the cause of accidents. It's mostly young men, aggressive drivers, drunk drivers, inexperienced drivers, and people who are not paying attention to their driving.

    There's a reason that my insurance rates are much lower than those who think that speed limits are a plot by "The Man" to take their money, and that they are NASCAR material.

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  86. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by mangu · · Score: 1

    having some magic alcohol percent present in your blood is just as stupid an indicator as some arbitrary age.

    Yes, that was exactly the point I was trying to make. Drinking has been declared *the* villain in traffic accidents, but is this realistic? Judging from my experience, it seems that rain is a big offender, too. Perhaps we should save more lives if driving in rain was prohibited, like some car races are stopped when it starts raining? Well, driving in the rain cannot be avoided sometimes, but driving in the dark can. Why not have a driving curfew during the night?

    And so on, as you mention, there are many factors that influence one's ability to drive, why pick on alcohol exclusively.

  87. Forget it. by tabidachi · · Score: 1

    Wait... so if the windshield is constructed in a way that it fluoresces, wouldn't skylight, mercury vapor lamps, and other UV abundant light sources affect the windshield? And we'll need brighter headlights to balance out the HUD display. (darn headlights are bright enough today) Besides, if people have poor enough vision that they rely on a HUD, they really shouldn't be driving.

  88. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly what I was asking.
    Now, on a more darwinistic approach, what you'd want is to give the aids to the younger drivers, and take them off for older drivers!

    Call me evil, but we need evolution to continue. Take the aids off from anyone about 75 who insists on driving, and we'll have a solution to the baby-boomer retirement issue! Old people, take a bus, don't annoy the rest of the world when you're on the road, dammit!!

  89. Brian Regan predicted it. by jamesbarlow · · Score: 1

    I took a ride with a friend, and he put on a pair of glasses. I said, "I didn't know you wore glasses." He said, "Oh, I only need them when I drive."

    "Huh. Then why not just get a prescription windshield?"

    -Brian Regan

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  90. pff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great, good, grand. still waiting for more efficient motors.

  91. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    driving is not a right...

    it is a privilege.

  92. Nevermind deer - ducks! by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Today, we stopped 4 lanes of traffic to let a mama duck and her 10 chicks cross. I noticed a puff of smoke from the tires of the car in front and stopped next to him. A guy in the opposite lane noticed the commotion and stopped as well and flagged the other lane to a stop. The only problem is that this was a good 10km and many roads from the river.

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    1. Re:Nevermind deer - ducks! by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Congratulations on surviving that exceedingly dangerous maneuver. A local woman was killed when she swerved on the freeway to avoid a duck crossing -- the truck she swerved beneath did not.

      Sure, baby ducks are cute. But ducks crossing a four lane road are really not exhibiting survival skills anyway -- the rule is "your safety, and the safety of other drivers, comes before theirs." And unless you're authorized to control traffic, flagging cars to a stop without an emergency situation is likely a traffic violation.

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  93. Why accomodate for the unsafe? by tecknoh · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I know this tends to be a touchy subject. And it is one that I am personally involved in. I was one of the few the ultimately led to my 78 year old grandpas revocation of driving privileges.

    All of the electronic gadgets in the world would not compensate for the fact that when he looked left, he turned left. Sometimes he would be seen driving down the road with his drivers door flailing wide open. I followed him one day only to seem him driving in the edges of yards, and slightly in the oncoming traffic lane.

    Knowing that one day, when I am elderly, what i am about to say will ultimately turn around to bite me in the rear, here it is:

    Instead of trying to find ways that will ultimately prove to be non-affective in helping elderly folks with poor vision, hearing, and reflexes attempt to drive safely, we should be issuing yearly examinations and skills assessments after a given age. I am no expert on how the body ages, and at what age you would be most likely to be incapable of driving. But I would guess that at about 65 would be a fair time frame to start such testing.

    If you cannot safely operate the vehicle and safely maneuver in situations we all face daily while driving like pedistrians, animals, traffic, and complex intersections, the the license should simply be revoked.

    I know it sounds harsh, however, I have given this alot of thought over the years. At some point, we have to stop worrying about accomodating an unsafe driver and hoping it works, and start worrying about the innocents like the kids playing kickball or riding their bicycles.

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    1. Re:Why accomodate for the unsafe? by plover · · Score: 1

      While I totally agree with you that periodic exams are the best answer, one of the biggest problems will be cost and organization. We don't have enough driver testing stations or driver license examiners right now, so kids have to schedule their exams months in advance. Throw the burden of re-testing the entire driving geriatric populace at today's system and I promise you it will collapse in a smoking heap.

      Anyway, why stop at age 65? I'd rather have every driver retested every four years. If you're 25 and you suck at driving, get off the road. If you're 48 and you suck at driving, get off the road. If you're 85 and drive fine, that's cool -- but prove it anyway.

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  94. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

    If they run over a pedestrian with anything it's still going to cause a lot of damage. You seem to be only thinking of the driver.

  95. Let's Hope They Make This Spam-Proof by camperslo · · Score: 1

    If a driver is speeding, a pink box frames an approaching speed limit sign to draw the driver's attention.

    I can just see it now, highlighting some billboards and signs, maybe throwing in a few text ads too.

    But windshield displays could have some strange uses too.

    A way to add subtitles at the drive-in theater?

    Maybe the windshield would make a good big screen HDTV. With the high price of gas and the current mortgage crisis, this seems like a good time for a remake of the 1979 movie Americanthon, where people were living their (parked) cars.
    A video windield whould make them feel so much more like home...

  96. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Artuir · · Score: 1

    When you're so old you can't stay between the proper lines without weaving noticeably, that is where it needs to stop. However I don't know that being drunk off your ass is an adequate comparison to an older person - but I would not know because I'm not there yet. Growing old is going to happen to all of us - so anything that we can do to empower old people to do things they need to do safely is a very good thing for all of us. The younger folk nowadays need to start thinking about others than themselves, frankly. Could you imagine how much it would suck to have to live life completely unable to do things for yourself? When you're drunk you wait until the next day and it's all better. You don't get that luxury when you're aged. Everything you used to do might be impossible.

    But that's not the kind of people that this technology would help. It will help older (and even young) people drive safely for longer in their life, but there of course would be a point where it's just not a good idea to continue driving. That is why they're not taking the license exams away.

    Besides, who says the technology is just for old people? I think being able to see where the road is at in the fog better (or on a pitch black night with no street lights, even) would be awesome. It'd be one of those things in the future that people will wonder how we ever did without it.

  97. My suggestion: by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 1

    Couple a GPS-device with a loudspeaker in the car which goes "Booo..." when the speed drops 10 mph under the allowed speedlimit.

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  98. Knee jerk condemnation of anything new by jnork · · Score: 1

    Looooove how many people are rejecting the very idea of this unseen and untried.

    Buncha damn reactionaries.

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  99. This will be extremely popular... by nfk · · Score: 1

    ... until someone finds a way to exploit the technology to drive old people into the river, like the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

  100. This doesn't sound like a good idea at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I was wondering how long it would be before someone pointed out that making it easy for the visually impaired to drive a car might not be the hottest idea. Where's the car that can drive itself with some kind of autopilot? That'd be the way to deal with this problem. Your disability is fine and good and any reasonable means to accommodate it should be used, right up until you want to do something that threatens others and relies so heavily on the very function that is impaired. Given a choice I'd feel safer near a drunk driver with great vision than an old sober one who can hardly see, nifty windshield or not. This device isn't going to help them check their mirrors, it won't help them do a shoulder check before changing lanes. Driving a car safely involves more than staring ahead in a straight line. Flame on.

  101. Do they mean by germansausage · · Score: 1

    Bifocal Windshield?

  102. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by KillerBob · · Score: 1

    Now, on a more darwinistic approach, what you'd want is to give the aids to the younger drivers, and take them off for older drivers!

    No you don't. The last thing you want is to give the drivers who don't have the skill or the judgement the illusion that they can drive better than they can. Somebody who's older will usually know their own limits and capabilities much better than somebody who's younger. While this story is about cars, there's a saying in the motorcycle world that's apt: there's old riders, and bold riders, but you never see any who are bold *and* old.

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  103. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On my planet, which we call Earth, young drivers are involved in a disproportionately high number of traffic accidents.

    Note: I said "accidents per mile traveled".

    Elderly drivers are also involved in a disproportionately high number of traffic accidents, relative to the amount of driving they do. They just don't spend as much time on the road as younger drivers. (Similarly, people who live farther from work pay more for insurance, because more time on the road means more opportunities for a wreck.)

    they tend to be crappier drivers due to inexperience and a tendency to make stupid mistakes like driving way too fast, driving while drunk, driving while staring at their girlfriend's breasts, etc.

    Well, inexperience is the big one, but of course inexperience can be remedied with more driving. Elderly drivers tend to be crappier due to physical and mental deterioration, and that doesn't go away.

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  104. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by hplus · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, experience (and to a lesser extent, judgment) is hard to get without actually driving.

  105. Oh, say can you see? by bohicarico · · Score: 1

    A better use of GM's time would be to avoid Chapter 11 bankruptcy. They need to stay in business long enough for me to buy the next-gen Cadillac! As for the older driver, I have no illusions when the time comes for me. You see, I had a neighbor who was still driving into his mid-80's. We all came to notice when he backed down his long driveway into the public street he never looked back, nor glanced in any mirror. When pressed about his unorthodox driving style, he had this to say. "I'm an old man, can't move my neck anymore. Can't see a damn thing in those silly mirrors, got no use for them. You 'kids' think you're so fast? Then you better get the hell out of MY way." Afterwards, he offered me a cigar, some Scotch and we talked about 'broads' man!

    1. Re:Oh, say can you see? by TheSlashaway · · Score: 1

      I was just about to post the same comment when I came across yours. GM should focus on quality and price vs. nonsense and gimmicks.

    2. Re:Oh, say can you see? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      His kind of attitude will ultimately seal his fate when he backs out in front of a large truck....

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    3. Re:Oh, say can you see? by bohicarico · · Score: 1

      The old coot is now 90. He smokes cigars, drinks Scotch daily, eats a huge breakfast of eggs, butter,coffee and probably a ton of other things one is advised to avoid. He continues to drive like Mr.McGoo in reverse. Going forward doesn't seem to be an issue for him. Who knows, maybe he's on to something.

  106. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    If they run over a pedestrian with anything it's still going to cause a lot of damage. You seem to be only thinking of the driver.

    I'm thinking of the higher profiles incidents I've seen in the media. For instance, one case I'm thinking of, the old guy killed sixteen people. I think he was driving one of those old Suburban SUVs, and he broke through barriers before actually hitting anyone. The street he was going down had been closed because of some street fair or some market. And when he first hit the barrier, he panicked and kept on pressing on the accelerator pedal thinking it was the brake pedal. This is a case where his kids had already taken the keys away from him, because they didn't want to him to drive anymore, but apparently the wife had given them back to him.

    Also, you have to keep in mind that now some cars are being manufactured to decrease the amount of damage it will inflict on a pedestrian it hits. But of course, very old people are not known to drive newer cars anyway, so any technological gain made in that area may take years to be used by them.

    In the US, you have to realize this issue of driver licenses for older people is a political third rail. Old people vote. Old people are organized. Old people are our most powerful Senators, Judges, and Congressmen. And for many old people, because of the way our Suburban landscape is organized, losing a driver license is tantamount to the end of the World.

    You may not like it. And I may not like it. But the more stringent a solution is, the less likely it's ever going to pass. That's why I am proposing a solution that is both more stringent, and also much more gradual -- to make it less seem like the end of the World. By the way, I live in California, and because of my mother who still has her driver license -- I've seen the new requirements for older drivers -- but I do not think they go far enough.

  107. anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what ever happened to the idea of polarizing the windshield one direction and headlights the opposite direction to totally neutralize oncoming glare both from late afternoon sun, ice glare, and nighttime headlight glare?

  108. More idiocy from do-gooders. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    For starters - color coded nonsense? Wake up people. 1 in 4 males are at LEAST a LITTLE BIT color blind. Pink boxes? Lovely, some politically correct twit with a feminist side wants pink boxes, among other things, displayed on their windshields. No problem here - IÂll simply never see that lovely gay box at all. Stick some lavender, some violet, purple, beige, and all the other colors that make women feel good up there. At BEST, they will merely cloud my vision of the highway. Oh yeah. Old folks. Uhhh, has anyone looked at statistics for fatal accidents for the differening age groups? IÂm not very worried about aging drivers. They tend to slow down anyway, with or without technological assistance. I am more worried about younger drivers, but drivers of ALL ages tend to drive to fast in vehicles that are quiet, comfortable, smoother riding, and ÂsafeÂ. When people are insulated from the outside world, and they have faith in the Âsafety of their vehicle, they WILL drive faster. Instead, strip the vehicles down, make sure people experience the ride, and they will tend to slow down. Take away some of the existing Âsafety features, eliminate all the computerized nonsense, and work to decrease peopleÂs comfort. They will slow down, and pay more attention to the road. Most of all, remove distractions, such as on screen GPS navigation, cell phones, laptops, etc etc etc. Gotta love the do-gooders, though. They are really concerned about my safety. I just wish they would stay home and think about my safety. They have no business making corporate or government decisions that involve my safety.

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  109. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by yndrd1984 · · Score: 1

    20 -24 are 8.4% but have 14.3% of accidents.

    But does that take into account the distance they drive, the time of day or conditions they drive in, or the quality of their vehicles?

    I mean if they drive twice as often as most people, then they're doing pretty good.

  110. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by joocemann · · Score: 1

    Because you can be a less than perfect driver and still be good enough that it's not justified to take away your license.

    It's not a substitute for basic competency, it's a way to improve on factors that are already deemed adequate, but could still be better.

    We need a more strict definition of adequacy then. What we have right now are a lot of accidents waiting to happen (pun intended).

  111. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by joocemann · · Score: 1

    And the population of seniors will jump in the US over the next couple decades. These people still need to get to work, shop, play golf, visit their kids, etc.

    Sounds like they should be good to their younger family members or start saving for cab rides. Those necessities don't validate an unfit driver, they merely give them reasons to lie themselves into endangering others.

  112. Windshields? BAAAH! by jberryman · · Score: 1

    When I was a young'un we didn't have "WIND SHIELDS" in our motor cars, NO! We got wind to the face, for sure, and by golly WE LIKED IT. And when you'd get a mouthful of bugs, why, you were downright THANKFUL to get some meat in ya, what with the rationing 'n the quotas... NOW GET OFF MY LAWN.

  113. Reliable, Efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think GM's money would be better spent figuring out how to make more reliable, more efficient vehicles rather than this high tech crap. If the over 65 population is going to boom like everyone says it is, won't that segment need efficient/inexpensive (because of fixed incomes), reliable (because who at 65 wants to get out of the car on the highway to change a belt), transportation?

  114. mmm, a douchebag comment by bigmaddog · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't they be researching their company out of chaos, mayhem and collapse? Researching something for a target demographic that'll ripen in 20 years sure is ballsy when you just posted a $40 billion loss last year and are hemorrhaging something like a billion a month...

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  115. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Stickerboy · · Score: 1

    >...Drinking has been declared *the* villain in traffic accidents, but is this realistic?...

    >And so on, as you mention, there are many factors that influence one's ability to drive, why pick on alcohol exclusively.

    Are you fucking kidding me??? Alcohol is a factor in 41% of all traffic-related deaths> . Most studies cite a ~50% involvement of alcohol in all fatal car wrecks. You're right, we should concentrate on cell-phone usage before picking on alcohol.

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  116. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    And why would anybody admit even in an ashamed whisper to their physician (not to mention proudly in television ads that reach millions) that they require "male enhancement"?

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  117. A few more mandatory training courses... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    A few more mandatory training courses and driver assessments might be better, and not just for older drivers.

    If you don't pass the tests you have a limit on the size of engine in the cars you're allowed to drive. You need a special license to drive a truck, why should a two ton five liter V8 be any different?

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  118. Learn to adjust your friggin' mirror.... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    If you have a major blind spot you could try fiddling with mirror adjustment. Works wonders.

    I adjust mine so I can just see the handle of the rear door.

    If that's not enough you can buy one of those little stick-on curved mirrors. ...but yeah, I still look over my shoulder anyway. It's the only way to be sure.

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  119. Repair/Replacement cost? by BLWedge09 · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to see the bill for the repair/replacement of one of these when it gets hit by a rock while doing 80mph down the interstate....

  120. Agree 100% by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The BBC showed a documentary a few weeks ago where they took a bunch of average drivers and made them re-take their driving test. They all failed.

    The answer to road safety is retaking tests, advanced driving courses, limits on what you can drive unless you pass them, etc.

    The standard driving test should limit you to something the size of a Ford Fiesta, nothing more. For anything bigger you should need night-driving training, skidpan training, etc.

    If people can afford the cars, they can afford the tests.

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  121. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    Do you really think so?

    You see a police car up ahead of you. Most people will slowdown, get of the cell phone, stop undertaking, stop tailgating, make clear signals, put on seat belts and generally behave like model drivers... until they get out of the view of the police, then its back to business as usual.

    Back to the subject of the article, essentially in situations with poor visibility we slow down, and thats a good thing since often it also means poor traction, snow, ice, driving rain.

    Overcoming the poor visibility doesn't make the road conditions safer, also glasses wearers do you think perhaps driving with steamed up glasses is safe, or not wearing glasses to impress that date you finally got?

    Older drivers can have problems , slower reactions poorer vision, a mind not as clear as it once was, and they compensate, they take ages at a junction since they are not as good at judging if there is enough of a gap to safely pull out for example, they get tired, we all get tired, and slow down.

    There is no right to drive till you die, from 70 in the uk you renew your license every 3 years and if your medically unfit you don't get it renewed.
    simple as that. HGV drivers get regular medicals way younger than that for obvious reasons. It's good that a lot of people do accept that they shouldn't be driving but try telling your dad grandfather , yourself even, that it is time to quit, it's just as well the law does it for us.

    What really needs to be enhanced is the ability to live a reasonable quality of life without driving everywhere.

  122. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by atraintocry · · Score: 1

    We're simply not that strict about DUIs here in the US relative to European countries. I remember that in Germany, even though the minimum drinking age was lower, if you got caught drinking and driving, you were looking at paying a huge fine and not being able to drive for a long time. It seems like over here drinking is more taboo, but driving after a couple is not taboo enough.

    Obviously there shouldn't be breathalyzers built into cards. But I wish that as a society we placed more of a stigma on bad drivers of all sorts. We treat a 16-year-old drinking like it's the end of the world, but that same 16-year-old, who apparently is five years away from being responsible enough to buy a beer, is allowed to control two tons of metal going the speed of a pitched baseball.

  123. What do WWII, NASCAR, and insurance have in common by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

    Baby-boomers are not only the first generation to become dependent on cars for transportation at an early age, but also the first generation to have access to fast cars at an early age. WWII produced more than just the baby boom, it produced a generation with an unprecedented advancement in engineering capability as a result of training either from the military directly or from support efforts.

    Let's look at some of the influences on baby boomers as they grew up:
    - NASCAR was founded in 1947, right on the heels of WWII
    - car design and marketing focused on performance during the 1950's moreso than ever before
    - this leads to unprecedented technical advancements in cars, i.e. fuel injection, turbo-charging, supercharging, hemispherical combustion chambers, all of which were developed for military applications, and the market understood and demanded the benefits of advanced technology more than ever before
    - the US became the world leader in gross national product during the 1950's, which led to unprecedented car production and sales, which led to unprecedented access to cars by younger drivers

    There are 75 million baby boomers on US roads today, all of whom turned 16 shortly after muscle cars became the primary focus of the production and marketing of cars. You cannot apply today's elderly driver model to the elderly drivers of the next decade. Today's drivers over 65 did not drag race as kids or idolize James Dean. Tomorrow's did.

    The only corporations that would possibly be taking this into consideration are insurance companies, who are responsible for billions in liability and survive by predicting driver behavior. Are any car manufacturers consulting them on the matter?

    And let's not ignore the notion of turning an elderly person's car windshield into what must seem like a Star Trek helm console to them. I'm immediately reminded of an age-old proverb about teaching old dogs new tricks.

    It might be a fitting omen that James Dean died in a car accident.

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  124. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your pamphlet

  125. Darn! Here we like them to turn them ON!! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Here we are hoping these guys, including police, would USE their blinkers!

    I can't yell out enough it's dangerous to NOT use your blinkers in some situations,
    or waiting for a row cars ahead of you because that one driver was too lazy to use his left hand.

    Even police seems to forget them...

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  126. Driving in left hand lane.... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

    Interesting technology....I wonder if it will tell older drivers to get the f*ck out of the left hand lane if they are not passing a car on the right? :/

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  127. I want it now by tatermonkey · · Score: 1

    This is the stuff that was completely sci-fi when I was a kid (im 30). As soon as it can display thermal and infrared overlays on the windowshield it will be time to trade im my trusty truck. btw, for those euros that dont understand why Americans drive our big gas hogs. They are built tough and last (unless you got a lemon). My 2000 GMC full size truck has 154,000 miles and it still runs and drives like it did 8 years ago. Gas sippers are falling apart at that point.

  128. This will be a hit in Korea by Werrismys · · Score: 1

    lame. I know.

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  129. 'blind spot' = bad driver, get off my road by dogugotw · · Score: 1

    As others point out, there is NO reason for anyone to even have a blind spot. If you're so incompetent that you have one, then you should loose your license...

    In fairness, I didn't learn this trick until about 10 years ago and it was when my senior father completed an AARP driving course.

    FWIW, I still do a head check before changing lanes, especially when I'm on my Ninja.

  130. Re:Cars unexpected... by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    That's what the current administration would like you to think.

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  131. Re:Keeping Damn Kids off Lawns by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Yes.

    See the new Dark Knight movie for a demonstration. Just change modes from "Loiter" to "Intimidate".

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  132. Re: Creditors & Prey by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    GM Ouroboros or a Moebius Corporation?

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  133. Re:Driving enhancements by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Is this the next item from the makers of Viagra?

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  134. Separate Judgement vs. Experience by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    The theme behind these age limits is about judgement. Theyu recognize the "experience" paradox. However, they are hoping that each additional year of age = year of conceptual growth. Thus, They are hoping that the 18 year old is less likely than the 16 year old to imitate his heroes in CannonBall Run.

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  135. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the overall poundage of the car

    Nice word. I think you meant mass (or weight).

  136. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by xaxa · · Score: 1

    Also, you have to keep in mind that now some cars are being manufactured to decrease the amount of damage it will inflict on a pedestrian it hits.

    Hopefully the Euro NCAP rating system is encouraging this (it rates adult passenger safety, child passenger safety, and pedestrian safety). I've never bought a car, but I hope the people that do pay attention to this kind of thing.

    In the US, you have to realize this issue of driver licenses for older people is a political third rail. Old people vote. Old people are organized. Old people are our most powerful Senators, Judges, and Congressmen. And for many old people, because of the way our Suburban landscape is organized, losing a driver license is tantamount to the end of the World.

    I like your suggestion -- it could also be extended to drivers of all age, just as someone who wants to drive a truck has to take an extra test, someone wanting to drive a Ferrari should also take a test.

    I live in the UK, and being too old to drive is the end of the world in some areas (or at least, very annoying -- there might be one bus a day, essentially intended for old people). But, in many places it's not: anyone over the age of 60 can get a free, nationwide bus pass. In places that have large railway networks it also gives free off-peak railway/subway travel. No politician would consider reducing the free bus pass!

  137. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by cherokee158 · · Score: 1

    I don't believe in age limits, but I think medical limits are a good idea. Simples tests demonstrating good vision, health and competence are a given in the aviation world...why not among ground pounders? (Better yet, why not among politicians?)

    I often wish that the barriers to entry to driving were a little higher, too. It is distressingly easy to put a large moving vehicle in the hands of a person that you would ordinarily not trust to mow your lawn.

  138. At GM... by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

    only old people use windshields.

  139. Narrow focus by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    Why is this inherently an aid to people on the fringes of driving fitness? Ever try to drive in a real fog? Ever try to drive with the sun in your face? This could be a safety enhancement to everybody.

    rj

  140. CORRELATION IS *NOT* CAUSATION by mangu · · Score: 1

    Alcohol is a factor in 41% of all traffic-related deaths

    Giving the Wiki quote the benefit of doubt and assuming it's correct, let's see what it reads:

    "NHTSA defines fatal collisions as "alcohol-related" if they believe the driver, a passenger, or a nonoccupant of the vehicle (such as a pedestrian or pedalcyclist) had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of 0.01 or greater"

    And, if you keep reading, you'll see that

    "On average, about 60 percent of the BAC values are missing or unknown. To analyze what they believe is the complete data, statisticians simulate BAC information."

    Wow! So they have to simulate 60% of the data to find a correlation, and then assume a causation from that? I think you made my point for me, alcohol *has* been picked at random as *the* villain.

  141. Better idea by Oswald · · Score: 1
    Here's what we do. Everybody over the age of 60 has to ride a motorcycle or a scooter or a moped. No giant Buicks-of-death. If they can stand the risk to themselves, I can stand the risk to me. If the trip is important enough for them to suit up and climb on, I say God Bless.

    Disclaimers:

    • This is a joke.
    • I'm 48, so I'm targeting myself more than most with this "humor," which is fair game.
  142. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An old guy I know gave up driving after he got new glasses. Suddenly there were cars coming at him from everywhere and he couldn't handle it.

  143. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by TheLink · · Score: 1

    How about this: if you have been involved in more than one road accident a year (even if it wasn't your fault), you will need to go for another driving test within X weeks. If you don't pass, you lose your license, and you need to start over again.

    And the driving test needs to be good enough - must know how to merge at proper speeds, brake in wet conditions etc.

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  144. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by moortak · · Score: 1

    Live closer to where you feel the need to go. Our society need to get over this positive view of sprawl.

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  145. GM "Research" a FARCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please no more stories about GM "research" - they've already demonstrated exactly what their intentions are regarding research by the manner in which they disposed of their electric cars after California passed laws easing emission requirements.

    GM, loves to put on a big show about their "research" as did AT&T in the past with their "picture" phone that never was.

    The distractions about "research" serve to focus attention away from the gargantuan corporate mismanagement, contemptuous attitudes towards their "human" resources (i.e. their workers)
    and the most appalling reliance on lobbyists and connections with the Bush white house instead of on design, innovation and building a better car for less money.

    GM is symptomatic of all that is wrong with corporatist America and the sooner they either
    go bankrupt or else get a clean new slate of upper management, the better.

    There is ONE response to talk of GM "research"...
    LAUGHTER.

  146. Old timers by DerangedAlchemist · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, they took away your license if you couldn't see the damn road or drive.

  147. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO.

    Driving in the US is a right, not a privilege.

    Don't buy into the myth. The right to free association guarantees the right to travel. The right to travel includes the right to drive. And the right to drive CANNOT be taken away without due process of law.

    Driving license programs are unconstitutional.

  148. Parallax Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would this have to use eye or head tracking to make sure the marks appeared in the correct location on the windshield, as viewed by the driver? And wouldn't this look absolutely awful to the passengers, who didn't happen to be sitting in the "sweet spot"?

  149. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intentionally making yourself an incompetent driver is in now way, shape, or form the same thing as being a less than perfect driver.

  150. More technology! More! I Need More! by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

    How about they make an electric car I can fucking plug in to a wall outlet?

    Seriously though, I thought the DMV for most states decided who can see good enough to drive. You fail the fucking test and reply, "But I have a "Buick Riviera Golden Years Edition"!"? And suddenly your on the road again?

    To be honest, with old folks, I am more concerned that they should not be on the road, less because of vision issues, but for all the OTHER ailments associated with advanced aging.

    My wife, daughters and myself were all nearly run over by some 70-something that had a heart attack behind the wheel of a 1-ton Dodge truck. The guy had to be dragged out of the wreckage of his truck carefully so as not to dislodge his oxygen supply. The guy can't even fucking BREATHE on his own and he is driving around as if he had all the right in the world to endanger everyone else on the road.

    I can already hear the lawyers trying to figure out how to sue GM for all the fatalities this false-impression of safety causes.

  151. Cushield by gacl · · Score: 1
    "Don't you just hate it when grandpa plows through a park where families gather for picnics?

    How about when grandma storms the local flea market with her 5 ton Buick Electra?

    Well, worry no more! With GM's new Cushield (TM) brand of windshields you can rest assured that the bloodbaths that we all have grown accustomed to will be a thing of the past. And, as a bonus, grandpa's skull will be safe and sound when he flies towards the windshield after hitting a parked car.

    Call now and we will include our special ShieldRag (TM), specifically engineered to wipe out hard to remove vascular tissue and cerebral cortex."

    Not available outside the United States. Legal defense not included.

  152. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by CauseWithoutARebel · · Score: 1

    I don't disagree with the notion that our standards are too low, but framing the discussion within the confines of our current system, I think that this is a reasonable avenue of inquiry.

  153. Uh, a HUD (Head's Up Display) is just a sheet of by crovira · · Score: 1

    glass reflecting an image shown on the dash of the vehicle.

    Jet fighters have had this for years.

    And speaking as an older person, FUCK YOU!

    Ya snotty kids; wanting to keep all the kewl shit for yourself and thinking "Yhe old man wouldn't understand it anyway.'

    We're still pissed off at never getting our flying cars.

    And the best part is; projecting porn on a HUD can make flying alone, keeping the sky safe for you lot, in a damn tight cockpit for hours on end, a little less boring.

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  154. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

    Your general point is right, but remember: headlights are so THEY can see YOU, not so YOU can see THEM.

    That's part of why they design cars so that if you can't see your instrumentation with sunlight, you'll have to turn on the headlights to see them (which are then coupled to the instrumentation lights). Thus, whenever others need your headlights on, you need them too. Incentives are aligned.

    Or least, that's how it used to be. I got a new car recently, and somehow they threw out that principle out the window, and the instrumentation lights are always on (though not the radio lights...), which, during the break-in period led me to forget to turn on the headlights ~4 times.

    Nissan Sentra, in case anyone's wondering.

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  155. Two words. by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

    Bifocal windshields.

  156. Driving is a privilege, not a right. by Dan+B. · · Score: 1

    I came to post this exact same viewpoint. Not everyone can drive a car safely. It's a privilege, not a right, hence the ability of the State to suspend or cancel your licence if you fail at being a good road citizen.

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  157. If I were GM... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    I'd worry a lot more about things like fuel efficiency and alternative energy sources for their cars. That'd keep a lot more drivers on the road (of all ages).

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  158. I'll have to disagree by phorm · · Score: 1

    Ever drive the highway in a big city? If you happen to be going around the limit and/or giving a safe following distance, I almost guarantee that at some point you'll encounter the asshat who will zoom past and then cut in front of you, cutting your SFD in half, then realize the cars in front are suddenly slowed/stopped and slam on the brakes.

    I try to drop back as much as possible when somebody does that, but sometimes it's not so easy to do so promptly without cutting the SFD of the guy behind you down.

    1. Re:I'll have to disagree by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I ignore the guy behind me. I find that by simply slowing the pace down a bit, I can be at the back of the pack, and from there I can keep whatever zones of control I want.

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  159. Spot on by phorm · · Score: 1

    Auto-revocation of a driver's license due to age would be discriminatory and wrong. Assessment and retesting of various factors (especially vision) past a certain age wouldn't be any stupid or discriminatory that having a minimum driving age.

    If grandpa passes his tests, that's great. If they find his vision is not so hot anymore, but with glasses he sees fine, then make glasses a requirement for driving (around here you can do that, don't know about the US). If he can't pass with or without the specs on, or his reaction speed is just too slow these days, then it's time to hand in the keys. If that's still to harsh for everyone, how about a when/where restriction similar to what young drivers often get. No driving past dark and/or on roadways with a limit over 60.

  160. Senior's lane? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Maybe with all the baby boomers come into old age, we'll start seeing a "seniors' lane" or "seniors' highway" emerge. Maximum limit 55, minimum age 55, lane required for all those whom the DMV has found acceptable to drive at lower limits but not on the regular roads.

  161. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    Nice word. I think you meant mass (or weight).

    Thanks. I like making up new words. If you like it, start using it. If you don't, that's ok too.

  162. all the HUD does ... by hwsb · · Score: 1

    ... is give directions to Country Kitchen Buffet also, it has options for choosing either the shortest path, or the quickest path to Country Kitchen Buffet. and also an alarm clock to wake you up if, say, you fell asleep behind the wheel and Country Kitchen Buffet is about to open.

  163. I need to get out more... by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who thought - WTF?, what does in-kernel code have to do with windshields? NEED SLEEP!!1oneoneone!11!!!$@$#@#$%#@^&*

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  164. Seen it before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually saw a commercial for something quite like this many years ago, meant to help during low visibility conditions.

    "A dark foggy night?" Says the announcer, "The perfect time for a drive!"
    The driver gets in his car, and the windshield is illuminated with green lines outlining the road, and red boxes around other cars.

    It really didn't look like a fake, it seemed to be an actual commercial for an actual vehicle.

    Unfortunately all I remember about the commercial is that it usually aired during episodes of the British series "Secret life of machines", and I don't think that is enough for even Google to go off of.
    Ever since then, I've wondered why that technology didn't catch on. I assume there was some horrible defect. That's the only reason I can think of for such a system to disappear from the public eye for so long.

    Anyone have a clue what I'm talking about?

  165. Re:Why are they allowed to drive in the first plac by Wo1ke · · Score: 1

    Well, your glasses can compensate for the vision degradation. Do we have something that can compensate for the degradation in people's reflexes?

    Isn't that the point of the windshield? The parrent post said that anyone who requires physical aids to drive shouldn't be driving, which I find grossly offensive.