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Thirst For Coltan Fueling African Conflict

MetaPhyzx writes "According to an article put forth by the Toward Freedom website, the metallic ore known as columbite-tantalite or coltan for short is fueling conflict in central Africa. The relevance to us who read news for geeks: Coltan is in quite a few consumer electronics; the article references the Sony Playstation series." As reader fahrvergnugen points out in the comments below, there's reason to more than doubt the currency of the claims in the above-linked article, as outlined in a post at Joystiq.

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  1. Sorry to say but... by religious+freak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything and everything fuels conflict in Africa. At most, this is throwing a match into a raging fire.

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    1. Re:Sorry to say but... by the4thdimension · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The movie "Blood Diamond" had it right when they showed the G8 conference and one of the reps said something like:

      "Anytime a material of value is found in Africa, the locals die in pain and in great number."

      Unfortunately for Africans, this is one of those movie parts we wish was just in a movie. It's much too bad that its actually true.

    2. Re:Sorry to say but... by Daimanta · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      How dare you say this! Apologize now to those good and heroic leaders of Africa lie Mugabe for things like slavery. Because all white people are guilty of slavery untill the end of times.

      (This is not a troll, this is polically correct)

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    3. Re:Sorry to say but... by dbrutus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Congo sourced coltan is less than 1% of the world market which is currently dominated by Australian production. How much better control do you want than sourcing 99% elsewhere?

    4. Re:Sorry to say but... by gnick · · Score: 1

      We need a new stamp for phones, computers, PlayStations, etc.

      That way I'll know that I'm not talking on a Conflict Phone.

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    5. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Really, who gives a shit anymore? If it's not this, it would be diamonds, gold, oil, or something else. Hell, if it wasn't somethign else they would just kill each other for the hell of it. Africa is one big hell hole and noting is going to change that in the next 200 years.

      Nothing to see here.

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    6. Re:Sorry to say but... by abstract+daddy · · Score: 0

      If you had phrased your post in a non-sarcastic way you would have gotten +insightful instead.

    7. Re:Sorry to say but... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's not the consumers of the world's fault that the Africans have absolutely no respect for the concept of rule of law or privet property, and are driven by greed to covet whatever they can sell.

      The correct saying should be "anytime a material of value is found in Africa, the locals will murder each other to steal it and sell it." this is true of minerals on the international market, as well as their neighbors corn on the domestic market. People in other nations shouldn't feel bad for profiting from bad government on the part of Africans.

    8. Re:Sorry to say but... by krgallagher · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Anything and everything fuels conflict in Africa. At most, this is throwing a match into a raging fire."

      But what can we, as a world community, do about it? We can't just barge in a la Iraq and impose our own order. This is something the African people have to do for themselves.

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    9. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lord Apathy (584315):

      Really, who gives a shit anymore?

      Surprising.

    10. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As with most generalizations, yours is too general. A great many regular Africans would be happy to get by not much above subsistence, if they could do it in relative freedom.

      The problem happens to be that while 'a great many' think a world of peace, love, and understanding would be a great place to live, there are a few who think it sounds like a great place to pillage.

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    11. Re:Sorry to say but... by digitrev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real problem is that the few who think it'd be a great place to pillage also have the means to do so.

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    12. Re:Sorry to say but... by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      The word for this is "desperate". The people see something that they think might get them a better situation, and they'll stop at nothing to jump on it.

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    13. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      That would be something I agree on. The way I see it there is only two ways the world could solve Africa's problems, with force or ignore it.

      The first solution requires an all out land invasion. Going in and tearing out all the old structures, beliefs, and basically bringing peace to Africa at the barrel of a gun. How well do you think this would work?

      Next solution would be to basically wall off Africa, noting and nobody goes in or out. Cut them off from the rest of the world. Famine, war, and plague will pretty much take care of the rest.

      Yes, it's heartless and pretty fucking sick but its the best I can think of. We've poured hundreds of billions of dollars of aid in to Africa over the last 60 years and all it has done is make it worse. They can't feed themselves but yet they continue to breed like flies forcing use to bring in more aid. AIDS is running ramped in Africa but yet they continue ignore all attempts to control it. And when they are not starving or dying of a disease they are shooting each other and fighting countless land wars over really nothing.

      If we cut them off now from any outside sources they would be forced to figure out their own problems. And that is a main part of the problem. They don't have to deal with it because the west always comes to the rescue.

      Millions will die if we cut them off, that is true. But what happens in 10 or 30 years when we can no longer afford to send aid to Africa. How many millions more will die that shouldn't have ever been born?

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    14. Re:Sorry to say but... by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real problem is that peace, love, and understanding don't defend you from guns, knives, and rocks.

      The parent is saying, essentially, that Africans, like the rest of us, live in the real world, and not fantasy hippy fairy land.

    15. Re:Sorry to say but... by JonTurner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The means, yes, and the will. Either alone is not enough.
      If history teaches us anything it is that the world is, and always shall be, ruled by force. Those who are willing and able to use it shall have their way with those who cannot or will not.

    16. Re:Sorry to say but... by azav · · Score: 1

      Sorry to say that it's just not whites who are guilty of slavery. And there are parts of Africa that are working. I have seen one of them.

      And in these parts that are working, good things can be done. See for yourself.

      http://web.mac.com/zav/iWeb/Zav-O-Matic/Namibia%202008/D3A0AB87-8276-4741-8F1B-9225C7F23CF7.html

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    17. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with most generalizations, yours is too general.

      That's a generalization.

      A great many regular Africans would be happy to get by not much above subsistence, if they could do it in relative freedom.

      So is that.

      The problem happens to be that while 'a great many' think a world of peace, love, and understanding would be a great place to live, there are a few who think it sounds like a great place to pillage.

      And another. How the hell do you call someone out on a generalization and then drop nothing but? You, sir, blow my little mind.

    18. Re:Sorry to say but... by thermian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Africa is a pretty big place, and many parts of it are quite stable. The problem is that a lot of countries on the continent have an extremely unstable governmental situation.

      The trend is definitely towards stability, but the effects of of colonialism continue to be felt. It was the restructuring after the largely unplanned collapse of colonialism that caused most of the present problems. The UK was, sad to say, responsible for a lot of the bad handling.

      But, its easy to blame everything on Europe and its previous occupation of the troubled states, but the fact is we've been gone for quite some time, it's not all our fault.

      The former colonial masters haven't got away scot free anyway, in the case of the UK we find ourselves still very much obliged to provide financial and military assistance to any country that used to be part of our empire.

      The time will come when it will be possible to travel from one end of Africa to the other without fear of molestation, and the issues of war and mass starvation will be a distant memory, but we need to accept that such star-trek-esque idealism is a long way off right now.

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    19. Re:Sorry to say but... by thatwouldbeme · · Score: 1

      It's not the consumers of the world's fault that the Africans have absolutely no respect for the concept of rule of law or privet property, and are driven by greed to covet whatever they can sell. The correct saying should be "anytime a material of value is found in Africa, the locals will murder each other to steal it and sell it." this is true of minerals on the international market, as well as their neighbors corn on the domestic market. People in other nations shouldn't feel bad for profiting from bad government on the part of Africans.

      I strongly suggest that you reexamine your statement with an eye to detect lurking ethnocentrism. Here's a tip: begin by presuming "the Africans" to be exactly the same as you or I, and ask what underlying complexities may be in play that you are missing.

    20. Re:Sorry to say but... by eln · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It might have something to do with the fact that throughout its history Africa has been repeatedly exploited by various foreign powers that considered its native inhabitants to be lower forms of life.

      I'm not saying Africa was a peaceful utopia before the Europeans got there, but centuries of exploitation certainly didn't do them any favors.

    21. Re:Sorry to say but... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry but I am working with project in Nigeria right now. To say that things can not change is just wrong.
      My family is from Northern Ireland. I visited there during the worst of the troubles and I learned some important facts that I wish everybody would learn.
      1. Most people just want a future for themselves and their children.
      2. Most the problems in the world are caused by a few heavily armed idiots.
      3. It is a lot easier to be a hard core supporter outside of the war zone.

      Things in Northern Ireland have improved a lot. People have jobs and a future so they are not killing each other and they are not putting up with people killing each other.

      Oh the other lesson I learned was. When the IRA blows up a police station and you are a young man. RUN. The the British Army will not ask you for your passport before they knock you to the ground.

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    22. Re:Sorry to say but... by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Aussies have 99% of the world's supply of a war-fuelling substance, and it's not a lager?

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    23. Re:Sorry to say but... by thatwouldbeme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really, who gives a shit anymore?

      I do. Statements like

      Hell, if it wasn't somethign else they would just kill each other for the hell of it

      are the entire problem, and voice the very perspective that could successfully keep Africa in its current state for the next 200 years. Have we really not yet learned?

    24. Re:Sorry to say but... by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      And you base this on what, exactly?

      I am sorry to say but CNN and BBC is not the most reliable sources on the psyche of Africans. It is also not productive to form assumptions without taking into account the behind the scenes dealing (and warmongering - notice the Chinese arms ship that was turned away from delivering arms to Zimbabwe by South Africa) that takes place.

      Africans are not as bad as you make them out to be.

    25. Re:Sorry to say but... by gnick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep - That's all it takes. That's why, as soon as word got out about the horrors and hardships that blood diamonds were encouraging, the Congo immediately shut down all of its diamond mining capabilities. Just let the world know how ugly the situation is and they'll gladly give up their luxuries or pay a little bit extra to get them from somewhere a little more stable.

      What?

      They wont? The DRC is still exporting 8% of the world's diamonds and refusing to tell the UN where they're coming from and how they're attaining them? Well that's just sick...

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    26. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would have to say that I agree with you but there is nothing we can do about that now. We tried to make up for that and it's pretty much made things worse. Africa will have to come to grips with it's own problems. That will involve a lot of fucking blood shed too.

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    27. Re:Sorry to say but... by eln · · Score: 1

      A lot of the problems with Africa resulted from European powers trying both of your solutions, in order. First, they conquered them by force and set up their own governments under which the natives were subjugated and treated as inferior beings. Second, they took off and left the Africans to fend for themselves, with mostly disastrous results.

      I don't know what the solution for Africa is, but invading doesn't work and ignoring them doesn't work either. No one seems to be willing to spend the time, effort, or money on figuring out any other ways to deal with it, so I guess they're just screwed.

    28. Re:Sorry to say but... by Tano · · Score: 1

      Well yes, that is a part of the problem - the part that you aren't mentioning though is that most of the conflict there is caused by the western influence.

      I really think cutting Africa off from external contact politically and economically might actually help things a lot.
      Not having the west as a buyer of diamonds, gold and who knows what other resources, might possibly see those resources used in Africa, instead of here.

      Yes, there is aid poured into Africa, money, medicine, food, and everything - but put on a scale, all that aid is nothing compared to all the harm we do by buying everything, and in a lot of cases getting involved in various degrees in the politics of African countries just to ensure our supply of resources never ends.

    29. Re:Sorry to say but... by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Peace, love and understanding has nothing to do with defending yourself. The martial arts are primarily a means of defense, not attack, and are said to be quite handy against guns, knives and indeed rocks. You can love your fellow man and wear body armour, to much the same effect. Peace does not require intimidating everyone else into cowardice. It is quite sufficient to make hostile intent completely ineffective.

      (Hell, most geeks already know this. Which is a more effective way to stop someone reading your e-mail? Threatening them or encrypting it?)

      Violence is the last resort of the incompetent, a wise man once said. I beg to differ. It is usually the first. It is the competent who defer it until all other options have failed, and even then the most competent would seek to find ways to not have to resort to it.

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    30. Re:Sorry to say but... by thatwouldbeme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Anything and everything fuels conflict in Africa. At most, this is throwing a match into a raging fire."

      But what can we, as a world community, do about it? We can't just barge in a la Iraq and impose our own order. This is something the African people have to do for themselves.

      There are real and practical ways for "we as a world community" (=powerful first worlders) to make a difference, but we may not like the answers: they invariably involve giving up our artifical hegemony in world trade to actually allow economic participation by third world countries as true peers. Sit down some time with an expert 3rd world economist(yes, there are lots of them). He or she will tell you plainly that the problem is not ignorance as to what to do. It is powers that be having the will to implement what needs to happen. And until we make that requirement for change an ultimatum to our leaders, any other actions will be impotent and ineffectual.

    31. Re:Sorry to say but... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Lord Apathy (584315):

      Really, who gives a shit anymore?

      Surprising.

      No... wait... the other thing: tedious.

    32. Re:Sorry to say but... by Ares · · Score: 5, Insightful

      every so often i see a quote in someone's sig around here saying something along the lines of "a man with a gun is a citizen. a man without a gun is a subject." sad, but very applicable here.

    33. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And I would have to say that you are part of the problem then. What is it exactly that you are doing in Nigeria? You may think that you are helping them but in reality you are not. All you are doing is teaching them that if something is wrong someone from the outside will come in and fix it.

      That applies to the people and the governments of Africa. They know that if they get hungry enough there will be boat load of gain in unending supplies coming from everywhere. The people know this and, worse, their leaders know this. Their leaders know they don't have to have any responsibility to their people because someone like you will do it for them. So that they can continue their little wars and actions to keep them in power.

      You may think you are helping these people but you are not. You are just teaching them to be dependent on someone else. When an African child falls people like you rush in, pick it up, sooth it's tears, and tell it that it's going to be all right. When what you need to do is stand aside and let that child pick it's own self up or let other African pick it up.

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    34. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      I didn't mention western influence because I didn't think it was required. That is why I say cut it all off. Nothing going in or out then the western influence ends. Africa would be free to steer is own course.

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    35. Re:Sorry to say but... by Groggnrath · · Score: 0

      It is with deepest regret that the Congo/Kenya/Nigeria has no oil reserves. If they did, perhaps G.W. Bush would intervene and stop the ethnic cleansing. Maybe they should invest in some WMD.

      /sarcasm off

    36. Re:Sorry to say but... by jd · · Score: 1

      One of the most scarce resources in Africa is water, mostly as a result of deforestation though also as a result of severe damage to infrastructure. Nothing much can be done about infrastructure and reforesting Africa is tough when the level of deforestation is continuing at such a high pace. However, one of the key effects of forests is to reduce reflected radiation. That can be mimicked in ways that would be hard to disrupt, although it wouldn't be easy or cheap. Alternatively, there are ways of artificially inducing thunderstorms. Again, not easy or cheap.

      In both of these cases, the west would merely be an initial catalyst. The resource itself (the water) would be under nobody's control. That would solve a key issue. Not the only issue, but certainly one that has blocked the solving of many others.

      The blocking of trade would be a disaster for Africa, with two exceptions - any and all wood, and minerals where companies are suspected (or known) to have violated human rights accords or wantonly destroyed the environment. These would be tough to enforce - smuggling is hard enough to stop when the substances involved are always illegal, nevermind when it's selectively illegal. However, the former is needed to prevent the environment decaying past the point of no return (and it's damn close already) and the latter is about the only pressure you can bring without crippling honest trade in the process.

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    37. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Force is not really a realistic option in Africa. The amount of man power and the destruction required would be staggering. Might as well nuke the place down to the bedrock and be done with it. No, invasion was never really an option at all. Trying to subdue that a diverse place like Africa would be a fools quest.

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    38. Re:Sorry to say but... by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      The Aussies have 99% of the world's oil?!? Why does every American over the age of two not know this?

    39. Re:Sorry to say but... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can love your fellow man and wear body armour, to much the same effect. Peace does not require intimidating everyone else into cowardice. It is quite sufficient to make hostile intent completely ineffective.

      Unfortunately, your analogy doesn't work; its very premise is invalid. If you have body armor but no weapon, and someone who wishes you dead has a gun, you will shortly be dead. No body armor made confers invulnerability to bullets.

    40. Re:Sorry to say but... by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I am teaching Nigerian teachers. You are right that way to often that Nigerians look for the guy from the UK or the US. Really a shame because there are a lot of very bright people there. And yes I have seen some people involved with projects over there that sound like something from Kipling. To me it is no different than when I train people from Ohio, the UK, Canada, or Ireland.

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    41. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn Skippy!

      Did i mention that i too am work in Nigeria? As matter of fact i has 10 million dollars worth of coltan that my uncle left me, and fortunate for me I sold it to wealthy european business man. But he pay in american cashiers check and I no can cash.

      My friend, this where you come in, I willing to give you 10% of money for you to cash check. All you need do is send me the 90% in cash then you cash check and make $100,000!

      What think you?

    42. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dont think any country that actually OWNS their OWN land would have to shut down anything that does not damage other countries.

      Now, i know im oversiplifying (or however that is written): the gvmnt. of that country is a bunch of ugly killing thugs and have their people working in slavery.

      Now if THAT worries you, the solution is not "shutting down mining capabilities". The solution is to go in guns blazing and killing the torturing assholes that are hurting their own people, show them a better way to go and let them elect their own government.

      Now that sounds pretty (doesn't it mr. prez?), but it doesnt work either (does it mr. prez?), especially if you do it just cause you wanna get the diamonds for yourself.

      BUT, if occident would return to the values it once was known for, if occident could recover the credibility and decency that the illustration built for us, then it could work.

      Im just in my pipe dream. Ignore me.

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    43. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought get a coll-tan won't be a problem in Africa. Perhaps I was wrong...

    44. Re:Sorry to say but... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      The Aussies have 99% of the world's supply of a war-fuelling substance, and it's not a lager?

      Yikes - don't let Bush hear that, or Australia will be our next target, right after Iran.

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    45. Re:Sorry to say but... by steve_bryan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you kidding? It appears your "/sarcasm off" is about WMD. Nigeria has huge oil reserves and they are a major producer. Is it customary for your comments to be so ill informed?

    46. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Furthermore.... the word "Africans" means "leaves or was born in a HUGE piece of land home to billions of people of thousends of tribes and ethnicall traits and hundreds of different religions".

      Anything you say grouping your targets under the umbrella "Africans", other than: oh, they live from capetown all the way up to the mediterranian", will be a stupid generalization.

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    47. Re:Sorry to say but... by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. And may I also say, I look forward to a day (hopefully in my lifetime - but probably not likely) that I can take a car from the Lisbon and drive it to Beijing, or from Anchorage to Santiago.

      Yeah... definitely not going to happen in my lifetime. But what trips those would be!

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    48. Re:Sorry to say but... by lee1026 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The martial arts is not effective against guns - there is a reason why the army issues its soldiers guns instead of martial arts training.

    49. Re:Sorry to say but... by meatspray · · Score: 1

      It would be so easy, I assume they're talking about the use of tantalum (refined coltan) capacitors. They put out better punch in a smaller package, but when it comes to something the size of a ps3, real estate isn't all that important.

    50. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Assholes are guilty of slavery, from all times: the aztecs, the incans, the chinesse, the japaneese, all of europe, plenty african countries, all of arabia... hell, EVERYWHERE, have, at one time or the other, been guilty of enslaving other people.

      Now... talking about america, since the conquest, the main assholes have been the brits up there, and the spaniards and portuguesse down south: mainly white people.

      But thats just because its a chosen timeframe and geography. Before the conquest, the main assholes were the aztecs and then before that the mayan and the incan.

      In asia the main assholes have been the chinnesse, then for a while the japanesse and now its the chinnesse all over again.

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    51. Re:Sorry to say but... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with African tribes is they have too much freedom. They have the freedom to violate the rights of others without any consequence. This lack of law creates a rule by force in which the incentives favor violent force over non-violent competition. This means any new resource found will lead to bloodshed as the means of competing for them instead of market competition. I don't see that as being to general, since the entirety of history until constitutional monarchy was implemented is filled with the same pattern.

      I got assaulted with negative mods when I said the Burma junta was going to seize the aid as being ethnocentric and making over generalizations, a week latter they did. I was no more wrong about that than this because it is human nature to follow self interest, and the incentives as they exist in Africa now make the competition by force and the war of all against all it brings the most rational.

      The problem is Human nature is that it is very rational even in irrational situations. Africans may know that if they support co-operation today they might eat better tomorrow but they also Know that if they don't kill the other town they will probably not live to see tomorrow and will eat better today if they do. the option of furthering the system of violence in this case is the more rational. this is played out in movies, no one is going to be the first to drop the gun when they know the other will shoot them if they do.

      Africa has a great many regular Africans who WOULD be happy to get by not much above subsistence, if they COULD do it in relative freedom, but they opt instead to do it through organized violence.

    52. Re:Sorry to say but... by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your wise man was wise. Violence is sometimes appropriate, and a smart person would know when to use it. An idiot would say "it's the last resort", and try to reason with an aggressor rather than defend himself.

      You live in a peaceful society because we have chosen to apply violence when necessary to stop those that deviate from our generally agreed upon rules of conduct. If we instead chose not to use violence until the last resort, we would find ourselves constantly fighting for our lives against those who chose to exploit us; or more likely, we'd be dead.

    53. Re:Sorry to say but... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "The martial arts are primarily a means of defense, not attack, and are said to be quite handy against guns, knives and indeed rocks."

      Are you seriously going to go with this? Really?

    54. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dearest Mr. Slashdot,

      Might ours all-mighty lord the God blessed you and yours family!
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      I must contacted you because you are the only surviving relative of Mr. Wiillian Wordston, whose brutally died when he was hitten by 2 (Twou) tons of columbine-tantalized, the rare ore Mr. Wordston was exploiting from our country, with the blessings of our lord the God.
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    55. Re:Sorry to say but... by jgoemat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Violence is the last resort of the incompetent, a wise man once said. I beg to differ. It is usually the first.

      Wasn't that in the Foundation books? I think it was meant to signify that violence is such a worthless option that only the incompetent would use it at all, and even then it would be their last resort.

    56. Re:Sorry to say but... by kabocox · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Hell, most geeks already know this. Which is a more effective way to stop someone reading your e-mail? Threatening them or encrypting it?)

      Um, I thought it was either boring them or annoying them with the content of said e-mail.

    57. Re:Sorry to say but... by bigplrbear · · Score: 1

      As with most generalizations, yours is too general.

      no no no, I think his generalization is actually very specific

    58. Re:Sorry to say but... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Northern Ireland during the Troubles was still a safer place to live in than pretty much any Central African country in any period.

    59. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3rd world countries can earn their way to being 'true peers'. It's not a gift that is granted. What *could* help is if 1st world nations would stop exploiting them, then let nature take it's course.

    60. Re:Sorry to say but... by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 2, Funny

      No body armor made confers invulnerability to bullets.

      It appears that small arms fire has been negated with
      this guys "Halo Suit" it takes repeated impacts to the
      same area.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqa08UGZGtk

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    61. Re:Sorry to say but... by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      It's not only real estate but the feature of tantalum capacitors that make them desirable. We might be at the threshold of nanotech capacitors that will replace them but I've not seen anything marketable yet.
       

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    62. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your source for that 1%/99% split? I tried finding sources for that kind of information and only found old articles from 2001. This BBC News article, for example claims "80% of production in Australia, 80% of reserves in DRC":

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1468772.stm

    63. Re:Sorry to say but... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Then I need to take a step back, maybe you are not part of the problem. There are several loop holes that I've thought about in any African quarantine. One of those would have been teachers going in to teach other teachers. Not to run classes for the Africans but to teach them to teach themselves.

      Another would have been students coming out to learn but with the express implication that they would be returning to Africa once they are done. I say this because if the best and the brightest are allowed to learn in other countries then decide to stay, it helps no one.

      Some of the lesser things I have though of would be to forgive all African debits since they are almost impossible to collect anyway. I see no reason to keep trying. I could be for a limited trade of food, medicine, and some cultural artifacts. Anything else is off limits. This trade would be African companies trading with foreign companies. At no time would foreign companies be allowed to set up shop in Africa like they do now.

      Everything would be "cash on the barrel head" so to say. No credit or hand outs. That is part of the current problem now. I don't think they really have a grasp of what credit really is and hand outs just teach them to reply on others again.

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    64. Re:Sorry to say but... by BoChen456 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your wise man was wise. Violence is sometimes appropriate, and a smart person would know when to use it.

      What happens when every idiot in the world quotes that, and uses violence to solve every problem?

    65. Re:Sorry to say but... by atari2600 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Martial arts can counter small arms fire only when you have enough chi/energy/filled white bottle with filling at lower right hand corner of screen and you press B for bullet-time before the bullet pierces you.

      In all other cases as evidenced by Indiana Jones' handgun, guns win against martials arts.

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

    66. Re:Sorry to say but... by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Violence is an option best avoided, because violence almost always costs both parties. There is no economic value in producing a weapon. It does not enrich anyone's lives. It does not improve living conditions. There is no return on investment. It's merely a tool to destroy something. It certainly has it's place, and there is a need to be able to defend ourselves from other people's weapons. But it is not an ideal way to spend our money.

      Likewise, you don't have to negotiate with a man when his swing is mid flight to your face. But it's important to negotiate before things reach that point. You are a fool if you think that there is any absolute procedure to handle all situations - politics is an art, not a science. But there are still many important concepts to understand and apply.

      One other thought:

      Ultimately, even the smallest infraction (a speeding ticket?) is backed up by deadly force.

      - If I get a ticket, I can choose to ignore it, and to continue speeding. The state will suspend my license, and issue a warrant for my arrest.
      - If an officer tries to arrest me, I can run. The state will eventually setup trans, and a roadblock.
      - If I'm pulled over, I can refuse to submit. The state will use physical force to subdue me.
      - If I fight, I can be shot.

      All for a speeding ticket.

    67. Re:Sorry to say but... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      "leaves or was born in a HUGE piece of land home to billions of people of thousends of tribes and ethnicall traits and hundreds of different religions"

      Well, it would mean that if Africa were home to billions. Sadly, Africa has only reached ONE billion within the last couple years, if they've reached it at all.

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    68. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know there is this huge "imperialism is the evils" mentality out there but honestly I think it would Africa and the Middle East some good. Yes I know quite a bit of their current state can be historically traced back to imperial actions by western powers but I would argue two couter points.

      Firstly, if you take a longer view of history most peoples have gained grealty by being part of some empire or kindom of some kind at some point. Its only this last round in modernity, USSR, tail end of the British Empire, some United States Actions, that has not worked so good for the subgigated peoples its the exception not the rule. Certainly Western Europe is better off for being part of Rome, the United State would not exist but for being a British colony. Lots of the far East was first organized under the Kahn. Huge areas of the world developed under the Pax Islamica. Eventaully these Empires wane and groups of people generally larger then when they were conquored emerge again as free, still as an identifiable group haveing never shed certain aspects of their culture. Still the often do take on unifing cultural elements such as language, societal stuctures, and economic systems from their captures and tend to retain these even as free peoples.

      Secondly, I would argue that while there was no shortage of injustice and suffering un the rule of the British, Spanish, Soviet and United states in the much of the Middle East and African regions things were by and large not as terrible as they seem to get from time to time today. Perhaps bad all the time is better then ok most of the time and really really horrible some of the time?

      Africa has to many small states and tribes with to many languagues, which is in may ways true of the Middle east as well. If we in the West were to "try again" it might really be good for the locals as well as our own wealth. We have to do it the way it was done in the ancient world though. We have to move in and passifiy with irresistable force. Then we have govern harshly at first until an organized economically vialbe system to exploit the local resources is in place. This is where that cultural unification takes place, once that is done there is lots less to fight about. The small languagues are eliminated, the small religions are largely eliminated, after years of being merly "tolorated" while the bigger ones are encouraged. The local leaders who wont "get with the program " are elimintaed. Next we back off and promise to garantee stability general saftey in the region with backing by our force as need be in exchange for tribute (that way we get paided, rather then sending them aide).

      Eventually all these little states and tribes in the region are gone, and we are left with s few large African states that are little less "African". They will be big enough stop paying tribute and big enough but still not so valuble that we in the West are going to put up much of a war to keep getting our tribute.

    69. Re:Sorry to say but... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      We would have to be litteral willing to blockade it though, its not like, China, Korea, and the Mid East powers are going to stop buy just because we do.

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    70. Re:Sorry to say but... by aurispector · · Score: 1

      There's still slavery in the US and Europe. AFAIK it's mostly prostitution & porn. If you see porn vids from eastern Europe there's a good chance you're watching a slave being raped. It's pretty common all over the so-called developed world.

      In developing areas it's all over the place, too. Slavery in the US prior to the civil war in part took advantage of existing indigenous slave markets. Everybody's guilty and it's disgusting.

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    71. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most martial schools put that out there just so they can stay in business. Every defensive martial art works just as well for offense. Same with weapons. Your tools and teachings can be used for good or evil. When you start denying them to people such things because they might be used for offense, you begin your path to darkness.

      AND SOON YOUR JOURNEY TO THE DARK SIDE WILL BE COMPLETE! BWUAHAHAAHAHA!

      A wise man also said: "An armed society is a polite society."

      Also, encryption is a munition.

    72. Re:Sorry to say but... by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      Your comment only mentioned oil which is remarkably ignorant in reference to Nigeria if no reverse spin is put on it (e.g. "I meant just the opposite and you should have known that intuitively"). That is a problem when one intends to be sarcastic or ironic. Sometimes when you write something that is dumb, it just sounds dumb. No, I don't customarily troll on /. as my karma score indicates. I'll also put Caltech and Stanford up against wherever you attained your smarter than a chimp status.

    73. Re:Sorry to say but... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      The martial arts is not effective against guns - there is a reason why the army issues its soldiers guns instead of martial arts training.

      Ah but the military does train you in martial arts, at least I went through it. They call it hand to hand combat but it's simplified martial arts. And those who wanted it could get more training, one person in my united trained in what he called Chinese kick boxing. You could also learn karate, tai kon do, and others.

      Simply, in close quarters combat knowing a martial art can mean the difference between living and dying.

      Falcon

    74. Re:Sorry to say but... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      The martial arts is not effective against guns - there is a reason why the army issues its soldiers guns instead of martial arts training.

      Ah but the military does train you in martial arts, at least I went through it. They call it hand to hand combat but it's simplified martial arts. And those who wanted it could get more training, one person in my united trained in what he called Chinese kick boxing. You could also learn karate, tai kon do, and others.

      Simply, in close quarters combat knowing a martial art can mean the difference between living and dying.

      Yeah, there's a marginal case where knowing those three judo throws could save you, but it comes after you run out of small arms ammo, and after you fix bayonets and lose your rifle. Martial arts are not an appropriate first option in a conflict involving firearms. The Imperial Japanese Army trained its soldiers in martial arts, but they issued every infantryman a Type 99 bolt action rifle just the same.

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    75. Re:Sorry to say but... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Martial arts are not an appropriate first option in a conflict involving firearms.

      Now who said anything about martial arts being a first option? Your statement is the FIRST statement saying anything about martial arts being a first option.

      The Imperial Japanese Army trained its soldiers in martial arts, but they issued every infantryman a Type 99 bolt action rifle just the same.

      Besides being trained in hand to hand combat, I was trained to use my M16, which didn't take much because I grew up hunting. As part of my Military Occupational Speciality or MOS which was infantry, Small Arms Specialist, or grunt we went through shooting qualification at least once yearly and I consistently had high scores. Now my first CO, Commanding Officer, frequently put me in for special training as well. I went through EOD, Explosive Ordinance Disposal, training for instance.

      Falcon

    76. Re:Sorry to say but... by arstchnca · · Score: 1

      All for defying authority.

      Fixed. Good citizens submit, everyone knows.

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    77. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The martial arts are primarily a means of defense, not attack, and are said to be quite handy against guns, knives and indeed rocks.

      You have obvioulsy never trained in an effective martial-art. Martial arts are like guns, they can be used in any way the artist deems appropriate.

      Get out of your mothers basement before it is too late, altho it may provide a secure location from attack.

    78. Re:Sorry to say but... by arstchnca · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. I think we all know why.

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    79. Re:Sorry to say but... by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      (Hell, most geeks already know this. Which is a more effective way to stop someone reading your e-mail? Threatening them or encrypting it?)

      I knew I was going about this the wrong way!

    80. Re:Sorry to say but... by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      Since I will apparently never see mod points again, I will simply congratulate you on so beautifully explaining the problem.

      Please will someone mod parent up?

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    81. Re:Sorry to say but... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      "Anything and everything fuels conflict in Africa. At most, this is throwing a match into a raging fire."

      But what can we, as a world community, do about it? We can't just barge in a la Iraq and impose our own order. This is something the African people have to do for themselves.

      Sure, Africans need to work it out on their own but the First World doesn't need to support bad actors whether it's in the Congo, Niger Delta, or Angola.

      Falcon

    82. Re:Sorry to say but... by arstchnca · · Score: 1

      [...] its the best I can think of [...]

      You really aren't trying very hard. You would wall off say, Morocco? What? I mean, it's one thing to talk about "violence" if you live in say, Zimbabwe, and are a supporter of, say, the MDC. But "wall off Africa"...?

      You're right. It's clearly the only way.

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    83. Re:Sorry to say but... by xappax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, no. You have little to no knowledge of the conflicts over diamonds, and should learn some more before making such proclamations. The "gvmnt. of that country" is not the only party responsible for most resource conflicts in Africa. In many cases it's not even a significant player.

      We're not talking about Iraq here, a country which had a stable government until the US showed up. We're talking about a situation where various militant factions and warlords ally themselves with transnational export companies in order to fund their weapons and equipment, and in this case use forced labor to supply the export companies with what they want.

      So in short, it doesn't matter worth a damn whether you show them a better way and have them elect their own government, because their neighbors are members of an armed militia which operates completely independently of the government, and may someday decide to enslave them.

    84. Re:Sorry to say but... by xappax · · Score: 1

      It's funny that you have a fairly extensive post explaining "the trouble with Africa", and the only people you mention are the Africans themselves.

      What about the ex-soviets and westerners selling military-grade weaponry to militia organizations and known human-rights abusing regimes? What about the chinese and western corporations actively encouraging conflicts and backing certain players in order to create more favorable commodity prices? What about those companies buying resources that are known to have been the product of slave labor, from groups that are known to use the profits to buy the aforementioned weaponry? Where's the grim realpolitik analysis of /their/ human nature?

      I mean sure, Africans are definitely a part of the problem. But it takes two to tango. And to be perfectly frank, we're one of the two.

    85. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great answer.

    86. Re:Sorry to say but... by xappax · · Score: 1

      There are no more "African people" than there are "European people". That's a George W. Bush mistake. Now, there are "black people", but I'm sure you didn't mean to generalize about an entire race as though they all share the same situation and problems.

    87. Re:Sorry to say but... by ozphx · · Score: 1

      Depends if everyone else is being a hippy and preaching peace and love. If I'm the only one with a weapon, then I'll be getting a damn good ROI.

      "If an officer tries to arrest me, I can run"

      In Soviet America, this is about where you get shot by trigger happy police.

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    88. Re:Sorry to say but... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      It might have something to do with the fact that throughout its history Africa has been repeatedly exploited by various foreign powers that considered its native inhabitants to be lower forms of life.

      Are you kidding? I know it's popular to blame all the world's ills on western civilization, but in sub-Saharan Africa, it's simply not the case. The problems in Africa stem from the fact that there's no such thing as an "African". They may all look the same to us, but there are scores of ethnic groups, an almost equal number of languages, and dozens-to-hundreds of tribal groups within each ethnicity. For various reasons (climate and geography among them) the vast majority of African tribes never advanced beyond the hunter-gatherer and simple migratory agriculture stage. This encouraged the various tribal groups to remain small, rather than banding together. Small roaming bands inevitably engender conflict with one another. It's like the Hatfields and the McCoys, only with two hundred families instead of just two. Europeans arrived on the scene only recently, and had little hand in subjugating various groups--- they just allied with whomever seemed to have the upper hand and shared the spoils. The slave trade (for example) was entirely run by Africans taking other Africans and selling them off to white traders. The problem persists today. Nothing has changed in Africa to cause any of those small tribal groups to cooperate and join together. Instead they do what they always have: use whatever means are at their disposal to get the upper hand over whatever faction see as opponents. The fact that they do it with AK-47s and sometimes wear uniforms and claim to be the government of a country is largely irrelevant.

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    89. Re:Sorry to say but... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Statements like

      Hell, if it wasn't somethign else they would just kill each other for the hell of it

      are the entire problem, and voice the very perspective that could successfully keep Africa in its current state for the next 200 years. Have we really not yet learned?

      I would think the problem is that the rampant tribalism encourages murderous free-for-alls, not that someone pointed the fact out. Not talking about it doesn't make it not true.

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    90. Re:Sorry to say but... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If violence ISN'T your last resort, you failed to use enough of it.

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    91. Re:Sorry to say but... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Should the bartender or store clerk be blamed for selling the alcoholic more liquor? Should the pawn shop be blamed for buying his valuables at discount when he hawks them for more drink?
      You may think so, and here I will disagree. I hold the individual to their actions, be it a man, woman, corporation, or state.
      I didn't include the "other" factors because there really aren't any. Those weapons are available to anyone who wants them, even if it were groups in more developed nations. I have read many of the accounts of nations fermenting unrest in African nations such as Sudan and Darfur, and I am not convinced.

    92. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloodshed for sure. A fundamental problem is that the Europeans left Africa with a crayon exercise of border-drawing. Same thing in the Middle East. But, yeah, the worst thing Africans can do is to whine about how they've been stepped on.

    93. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hugonz · · Score: 1
      The martial arts are primarily a means of defense, not attack, and are said to be quite handy against guns, knives and indeed rocks.

      "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"

    94. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The relevance to us who read news for geeks"
      You forget that there are geeks in Africa. I just love the way our continent is ignored and insulted even on slashdot.

    95. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was, in Foundatation. IIRC the character was the first mayor of Terminus.

    96. Re:Sorry to say but... by tenco · · Score: 1
      The correct saying should be:

      "anytime a material of value is found in Africa, the locals will murder each other to steal and sell it. And companies based in 1st world countries will happily buy because of it's low price and thus feeding the conflict."

    97. Re:Sorry to say but... by nickname29 · · Score: 1

      The movie Blood Diamond is extreme bullshit. It places an attack on Van Der Kaap, which is a veiled attack on De Beers. But to put things into perspective - most of De Beersâ(TM) operations is owned by African country governments (Debswana, Namdeb, etcâ¦). So this is utter bullshit.

      "Anytime a material of value is found in Africa, the locals die in pain and in great number."

      Bear in mind that it is usually Africans who fight over natural resources. Take for example the Zimbabwean armiesâ(TM) fun trip in the DRC.

      To be honest, most multinational mining companies would like to see stability in any country they operate. Setting up a large mining operation takes significant amounts of capital â" and it can be years before a company turns a profit.

      Mining is one of the industries that are vital for Africaâ(TM)s development â" since it can earn a significant amount of foreign exchange. But unfortunately it seems that Africans would rather fight about mines than develop it.

    98. Re:Sorry to say but... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's not like everyone buy fairtrade chocolate, coffee and tea either.

    99. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hubbell · · Score: 1

      In lieu of your fellow man having the same 'non violence lets talk about it' mentality, intimidation is the means most effective for keeping the peace when they have the 'im gonna kill you and take your nikes' mentality.

    100. Re:Sorry to say but... by xappax · · Score: 1

      Your analogy is flawed, because obviously any individual has the right to abuse themselves with alcohol as much as they like.

      More appropriately, should the pawn shop be blamed for doing business with known gang members who want to exchange carloads of (pretty obviously stolen) TVs and watches for firearms?

      You may say no, because you're a personal responsibility fetishist. And here I will disagree. I also hold individuals and insitutions to their actions, and there's a line between "innocent business partner", and "accomplice to crime". In US law, that line is generally drawn over the question of whether the person/institution knew its actions would facilitate crime.

      We have documents from Shell proving they knew that Nigerians were being killed in order to enable Shell operations in sensitive areas. Shell supported and enabled these killings. That's not an unusual case. When it comes to African conflicts, many, many businesses cross that line between business partner and criminal, and at that point they share the blame for the crimes. To claim otherwise would be to fail to "hold them to their actions", as you do so strictly when it comes to African people themselves.

      Oh, and it's "fomenting unrest", not "fermenting". Unless they were trying to make some kind of unrest liquor, which would be badass.

    101. Re:Sorry to say but... by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

      Yep. Salvor Hardin had that as a plaque in his office if I remember correctly.

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    102. Re:Sorry to say but... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      If it were true, then Somalia would be a paragon of democracy.

      Actually, they have a neat system over there. At a checkpoint there is usually 5 guys with AK47s. Anyone (even armed with guns) pay them a toll without a fuss.

      However, if a pickup truck with 10 guys with AK47s come through, the 5 guys wave them through without asking for money.

      Simply owning a gun doesn't work in anarchy. Having more than the other guy does.

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    103. Re:Sorry to say but... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      It is not entirely accurate to say that martial arts are ineffective against fire arms. It is entirely accurate to say that they are ineffective against fire arms at a range of greater than, say, 10-15 ft; assuming the person holding the firearm is both competent and serious about using it.

      Closer than 10-15 ft, a skilled martial artist has a chance against a person with a firearm, and the closer the range the better the chance. Had the guy in the Indy movie simply charged rather than displaying his awesome sword spinning prowess, the result would have been a shorter movie most likely (Which, since it was a movie, is why he didn't)

      Of course, the odds might be in favor of the martial artist at 5 ft, but a smart man is not going to risk his life on a 75-25 chance if he can avoid it. I think I could take anyone with a gun pointed at me at 5 ft or less, but there are enough variables that unless I really believe you are going to shoot me, I probably wouldn't try. If I win, you get maybe a broken arm and an fist in the face or knee in the gut... If you win I'm either dead or completely incapacitated and likely to be dead post haste.

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    104. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Then we partially agree: the solution is to go in and kill the fuckers, not to "shut down" mining capabilities.

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    105. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      meh.... hundreds of millions is two long.

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    106. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he means small rocks, dull knives, and guns being used as blunt weapons.

    107. Re:Sorry to say but... by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you should mention that the neighbours might someday decide to enslave them.

      While the despicable trans-Atlantic slave trade was made so large and profitable by Europeans, it was very very rare that the actual original enslavement was performed by Europeans. My understanding of it was that the slaves would generally be purchased by Europeans at port cities on the African coast; the actual enslavement of free peoples was generally performed by one African tribe or society going out and capturing members of another, and then selling them off to "whitey". Obviously the gold and silver of the Spanish, English and so on was a major inducement... but they still participated very willingly.

      That's something that never gets mentioned by those who want to maintain a black-vs-white racial divide...

    108. Re:Sorry to say but... by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 1

      We're also one of the world's major uranium suppliers.

      Of course, the citizenry here is way too NIMBY to actually use any of it here. We happily export uranium to lots of people, but for our own power? Coal & gas, baby.

    109. Re:Sorry to say but... by RockDoctor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then we partially agree: the solution is to go in and kill the fuckers, not to "shut down" mining capabilities.

      Which begs the question, how are you going to identify who are the fuckers that you're going to kill, and who are the fuckees that you're not going to kill?
      The little work that I've done in Africa (2 months, with the expectation of further employment there in decades to come) leaves me in full and certain doubt of my ability to distinguish between fuckers and fuckees there. At least, not without spending months getting to know the specifics of a particular area.

      This is not the answer that you want to hear. Tough.

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    110. Re:Sorry to say but... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Ultimately, even the smallest infraction (a speeding ticket?) is backed up by deadly force.

      If that's truly the state of affairs in your country, I think you'd have perfectly good grounds for claiming political asylum when you escape to somewhere in the civilized world.
      Get out now, your life is obviously in immediate danger.

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    111. Re:Sorry to say but... by RockDoctor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Violence is the last resort of the incompetent, a wise man once said. I beg to differ. It is usually the first.

      Wasn't that in the Foundation books? I think it was meant to signify that violence is such a worthless option that only the incompetent would use it at all, and even then it would be their last resort.

      Yes, that line is in the Foundations. The Good Doctor was tipping his literary hat to another Good Doctor, Samuel Johnson, the harmless drudge : "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

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    112. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Ah but the military does train you in martial arts, at least I went through it.

      Were you listening when they told you that was for the situation where your gun jams, is lost or runs out of ammo?

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    113. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How the hell do you call someone out on a generalization and then drop nothing but? You, sir, blow my little mind.

      Are you an American? They just never get irony.

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    114. Re:Sorry to say but... by Phantom+Gremlin · · Score: 1

      I think you need help with your math skills. 10% of $10 million is $1 million. But let's say you just give me $950,000 and hire yourself a math tutor with the extra $50,000.

    115. Re:Sorry to say but... by atari2600 · · Score: 1

      Well mate, I would like to believe the same but even at 6feet, once a weapon's fired, I'd like to see a human move faster than the muzzle velocity of a 50caliber bullet moving at 1400-1500feet per second. Which means at 6 feet, the time it takes is about 0.004 seconds. If you were talking about disarming an armed person prior to the shot, that's a different story. But at your 10-15ft my friend, it's not like in the movies - no Remo or Neo dodging bullets when the reaction time needs to be faster than frick.

      It's all situational but once the shot's fired and the bullet is gonna hit some part of the human body, it's pretty "Esc" "Load Game" "Enter"

    116. Re:Sorry to say but... by qwan · · Score: 1

      Is that really true?????????? I really never heard of this but it makes sense. I heard that Indians(not columbus christened ones) were taken to africa decades ago as Slaves!!!!!!. I am still trying to figure out who took them. But you never saw anything happening in India even though the british ruled India for so long. I want to hear more how about some references to historical material. Thanks

    117. Re:Sorry to say but... by qwan · · Score: 1

      The martial arts is not effective against guns - there is a reason why the army issues its soldiers guns instead of martial arts training.

      They do that because to train a person in the kind of martial arts that IS effective against a gun takes years of hard work and dedication(which only a person is born with), that is why guns are a better option.

    118. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt that the lack of a pithy quote is what's holding them back.

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    119. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      No, it aint. It sounds real though. I buy your view.

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    120. Re:Sorry to say but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The martial arts are "quite handy" against guns => You've watched the Matrix a few too many times.

      Puhlease.

      Body Armor isn't impenetrable either.

      This is classic "hippy dippy."

    121. Re:Sorry to say but... by azav · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you've studied slavery from an African/American perspective, it's a, well informative education. Tribes in western Africa who had disputes with each other would battle and in some cases when members of the opposing tribe were caught, after the battle, they would be marched for days to remove them from the area. A "remove your enemy from the area so he can not fight you again easily" approach.

      Where whites or European slave traders came in was that they offered to take these prisoners off the hands of the winning tribe, thereby making it easier to get rid of the enemy and not take too much effort to do it. I wonder if they would have used this "service" if they had known what would have happened to their opponents.

      It's hard to view this topic without some serious hatred but if you do, you become able to understand the motivating factors behind the whole thing, who was responsible for what and why.

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    122. Re:Sorry to say but... by azav · · Score: 1

      I don't understand you - are you supporting Mugabe or supporting other more honest and competent leaders like Pohamba or Nujoma?

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    123. Re:Sorry to say but... by alexborges · · Score: 1

      Well... money does it.

      Labor is the most valuable resource still, and it has been that way for some time now.

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    124. Re:Sorry to say but... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I was not referring to outrunning the bullet. Disarming is possible at 10-15 ft, but much easier within 5-6. The trick to a disarm at 10-15 feet is to move at angles. Most moderately trained gun wielders cannot track close range target very well. They're taught to hit stationary things or to hunt, in other words to hit something they're tracking at a distance. A person with a pistol pointed at you and trying to prevent you from hurting them will fire their first shot at where you were (it's not the bullet you're out racing, it's the person's reflexes). If you move straight to them you'll still be in their line of fire and you'll be hit, if you move obliquely you might make it out of the bullet's trajectory and get to them before they can reacquire and fire again.

      Note I said "may". Much depends on the skill of the martial artist, the skill of the gun holder, and sheer blind luck. The trick to disarming an opponent is not outrun bullets (clearly impossible), it's not being where the person thinks you will be when they pull the trigger. Believe it or not, it takes most people a significant fraction of a second to realize that a) you're moving, b) that movement is threatening, and c) they need to shoot you now. This is helped by the fact that many people feel overconfident when they've got a gun on you. A friend and I did a test with this when he didn't believe me. We used a water gun. He knew more or less exactly what I was going to do, and of course got better over time at stopping me doing it, but I still managed to disarm him as often as not at close range. Add to that complete surprise, and I'd bet a decent or better martial artist can disarm a decent or better gunmen 70 or 80% of the time (I still don't like those odds to be honest though).

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    125. Re:Sorry to say but... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      An all-over body suit might. But then you have to take a leak sometime...

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    126. Re:Sorry to say but... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      An all-over body suit might. But then you have to take a leak sometime...

      A body suit that was truly bulletproof at all points would be so heavy you could barely move and so stifling that you would probably have a heat stroke within a hour. The helmets in current military use aren't proof against a direct hit because it's not practical to make them so.

    127. Re:Sorry to say but... by dbrutus · · Score: 1

      I got the % out of my memory but your figures support the general statement. Even though the DRC has the majority of reserves, it is not the major producer of coltan, that's Australia. The world is behaving appropriately by turning away from the DRC for current production. Hopefully the DRC will get its act together and then make a mint off their mineral riches minus the blood.

    128. Re:Sorry to say but... by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 1

      There's some references to it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade

      I'd suggest looking at the bottom of that page and following up the references to some decent history books, rather than relying on Wikipedia itself, however.

  2. All hail by spydum · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Coltan!

  3. what? by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

    Coltrane was a good musician, but I could never see myself killing over him.

  4. Misnomer by peipas · · Score: 1

    When I first read "tantalite" I was thinking, woooOOOOoooo! But then after I looked it up I found it is anything but. Ugh.

    1. Re:Misnomer by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      I was thinking "Zoltan"...

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  5. Good news.. by daveatneowindotnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For petty despots in Africa...it's actually MY bad.

  6. Something tells me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...That John Connor has something to do with this.

    1. Re:Something tells me... by gnick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually... From here...

      In season 1, episode 4, "Heavy Metal", of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles , it is stated that the endoskeleton of the Terminator machines is made using alloys derived from coltan to make them hardened to heat.

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    2. Re:Something tells me... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      And it's a funny thingâ"until I saw it mentioned elsewhere (or maybe linked in Wikipedia) I had just assumed that "Coltan" was some weird fictitious metal that the SCC writers had made up, like Adamantium. Then I saw a link in wikipedia and learned it was real.

      Who says TV isn't educational?

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    3. Re:Something tells me... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who says TV isn't educational?

      No kidding! I've learned the important lesson "Don't fuck with Summer Glau" from TV twice now!

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    4. Re:Something tells me... by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Mmmmmm.

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  7. Don't Do it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't support Conflict Consoles! Poor Africans are being exploited daily as they toil away unearthing PlayStation 3's. How many more children need to die before the PS3 is finally put to rest? Sony is merely stockpiling these conflict consoles in an effort drive up demand!!!!!!!!!! Stop the Madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Re:Don't Do it! by tb()ne · · Score: 1

      Don't support Conflict Consoles!

      I believe the correct term is "Blood Console."

  8. First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would just like to take this opportuntiy on a really slow Friday to let you know I am first.

    Or, I failed it. :(

    We'll see...

  9. Terminators! by grantls · · Score: 0

    I knew it! It's the Terminators! I... I'm sorry... I've distracted myself by thinking of Summer Glau.

    1. Re:Terminators! by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      So how do we send Summer Glau back to the past to aid Mr Conners in defeating the Terminators before they start?

      oooh, a lovely hybrid spinoff! We can call it "Terminator Summer" or maybe "Summer T-zero"! It would have a high viewing, but only run between seasons (May through August).

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  10. Spread the blame by theelectron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tantalum capacitors are used in a lot of electronics. While they are used in Playstations, that doesn't mean Sony (as much as I dislike them) are at the majority of fault. And now Sony doesn't use coltan from that region, so as not to support conflict. They just threw the playstation name around for publicity, I think they could have done better.

    1. Re:Spread the blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      {{fact}}

    2. Re:Spread the blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We use a lot of tantalum capacitors in defense applications. There are many places where the trapped air pocket in a standard aluminum can capacitor is a show-stopping liability.

      Also, there are a lot of power conversion chips used in portable electronics that depend on the ESR of a tantalum capacitor, and a ceramic capacitor won't work since it has next to no ESR. Yep, a more efficient part makes the power supply unstable.

      But yeah, it's unfortunately typical of modern "journalists" to single out the manufacturer of a popular product for demonization, when an entire industry is "guilty."

    3. Re:Spread the blame by SYSS+Mouse · · Score: 1

      You mean:
      [ citation needed ]?

    4. Re:Spread the blame by SlashWombat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tantalum capacitors are expensive, and tantalum is said to be a poison.

      There are now better, and cheaper alternatives using ceramic capacitors. Ceramic capacitors in the 1 uF to 470 uF range are now MUCH smaller than their tantalum equivalents, have far superior characteristics (almost ideal) and are cheaper. In fact, these newish ceramic caps are so good, that in some applications a resistor is required in series with the device if they are being used to replace a tantalum capacitor. So, in the end, it doesn't matter if the source dries up.(From an electronics viewpoint)

      (In fact, tantalum caps have increasingly become more expensive for many years now, to the point where most designers tend to avoid using them as there are many other options that have become available due to the shear cost of tantalum capacitors.)

      Ceramic caps also avoid the deterioration over time that electrolytic capacitors "enjoy", so your equipment should last longer. (Without leaking their contents all over the other electronics on the board!)

    5. Re:Spread the blame by homer_ca · · Score: 3, Informative

      It wasn't Sony forcing coltan prices up, it was total industry demand for tantalum capacitors. I know Sony sold a lot of PS2's, but how many tantalum caps go into a PS2 anyway compared to a mobile phone? Spread the blame around to Nokia and Motorola too.

    6. Re:Spread the blame by JustKidding · · Score: 1

      The Toward Freedom article that both TFA and wikipedia link to as a source, is unavailable.

      I find it hard to believe that Sony is using so many of these capacitors in the PS2 that the production would cause a world-wide shortage. So the demand went up around the time Sony started mass-producing the PS2. That is, at most, a correlation, but certainly not a causation with any further information.

      Around the same time, Nintendo and Microsoft were mass-producing their consoles, and about a million other companies were producing other electronics using the same kind of capacitors.

      I fail to see why Sony is being singled out for the blame. Sure they may have contributed, but so have many other companies. Producing anything requires resources.

    7. Re:Spread the blame by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      (Without leaking their contents all over the other electronics on the board!)

      I call FUD.

      I've not really come across electrolytics that have leaked. The only time I've heard of them being a problem was with some cap manufacturer using a stolen but flawed recipe.

  11. Terminators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch out! Skynet must have set its sights on Africa! Coltan is a primary component of terminators!

  12. In other news.... by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thirst for oil is fueling middle east conflict. News at 11.

    1. Re:In other news.... by Bombula · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True enough. Interesting how being willing to pay for something without asking any questions about where it came from hasn a way of creating problems, isn't it? Clothes sold everywhere from Wal-Mart and the Disney Store to Oscar De Larente boutiques are made in sweatshops by 'sub-contractors' so the buyers can retain plausible deniability. Same goes for electronics parts - like the iPod and the iPhone. More personally, say your child needed a kidney, for example. It'd be easy to not ask where a donor organ came from.

      So the question is, who draws the line - and where - when it comes to the supply of goods or services whose origins are mired in strife? We regulate the donor organ market pretty heavily. We consumer products like apparel and electronics moderately. And we don't regulate diamonds or oil at all.

      I don't have any answers, mind you. (Well, maybe I do - but the cat will stay snug in the bag until after I'm published). For now, I'm just saying there are important questions here that have gone unasked and unanswered for too long.

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    2. Re:In other news.... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we all know about the vast quantities of oil in Israel. Wait...

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    3. Re:In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh this oil-rich Israel...

    4. Re:In other news.... by matria · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do you focus on Israel? Take a look at the news one of these days, and compare how many Muslims are killed by other Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan to how many Jews or Palestinians are killed. Christians who behave badly can say "the Devil made me do it"; Muslims can say "Israel made me do it".

  13. Ouppps! by GerardAtJob · · Score: 1

    Their webserver is gone! Another one killed by slashdot!

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  14. LeCarre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The exploitation of coltan was one of the main plot points for John LeCarre's excellent book "The Mission Song". The book is at least a couple of years old, so this has obviously been known for a while.

    I'm a huge LeCarre fan and he always manages to stay relevant and current, while it seems like the majority of spy novelists floundered after the end of the cold war until the "war on terror" gave them another easy boogeyman.

  15. Not quite so much by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tantalum is used in small quantities to make high-performance and compact electrolytic capacitors.

    Typically a tantalum cap will have lower leakage current and be about 1/4 the size of a aluminum electrolytic, at about twice the cost.

    As an electronics repair guy, I just *love* tantalum caps, as they quite often short out given an opportunity. Most repair places won't even try to do component-level repairs anymore, so that leaves lots of nice equipments for me to fix.

    1. Re:Not quite so much by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Informative

      Although not as dense, newer conventional electrolytics, as well as higher capacity multilayer ceramics, seem to be increasingly preferred to tantalums in new designs due to their improving density and decreasing cost. Eg you can now get X7R ceramic 22uF in 1206 packages - once exclusively the realm of tantalums, and with better ESR and temperature stability. So are tantalum's days numbered anyway?

    2. Re:Not quite so much by kipman725 · · Score: 1

      I second this, I have never designed any circuit using tantalum capcitors as I prefer to use expensive high value multilayer ceramics or just change the circuit so I don't need such a large capacitor.

    3. Re:Not quite so much by pz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tantalums have a bad reputation for unreliability. They are less forgiving to overvoltage than electrolytics. My father, who designs some of the most reliable instrumentation I've seen anywhere (he estimates a 30-year lifetime for his devices, and that's with 100% duty cycle, continuous use), derates tantalum capacitors by a factor of 2 and has no problems with them failing. (Eg, if you have a max expected voltage of 5 V, use a tantalum that's rated at for at least 10 V.) Electrolytics, on the other hand, have well-known lifetime issues, even when run conservatively, because the electrolytic chemistry is inherently corrosive.

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    4. Re:Not quite so much by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Wow, you're doing electronics repair in this day and age? Just curious: how's business?

    5. Re:Not quite so much by labnet · · Score: 1

      I agree tants days are numbered, although they are trying to make a comeback in Niobium oxide. The last time I used a tantalum (many years ago), was for a nat semi voltage regulator output that had a specific ESR requirement.
      That said, they work OK if you de rate them and never ever allow them directly on the input of a power supply (esp battery), as the di/dt will kill them.

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    6. Re:Not quite so much by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      >because the electrolytic chemistry is inherently corrosive.

      Yes and no. The whole point is to have a layer of aluminum oxide, so yes that's literally corrosion.

      But aluminum oxide is such an inert coating, the corrosion stops after a few microns.

      I have 1940 radios with the original electrolytics in them and they work just fine.

      Now if you want to talk corrosion, there used to be "wet slug" tantalum capacitors that had sulfuric acid in them! When those leaked, they made a huge mess.

    7. Re:Not quite so much by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      Bizness is fine-- there are a lot of good oscilloscopes and such from 1965 to 1980 vintage that nowdays need a few new electrolytics and that's about all. Anything made after that is too miniaturized and digitized to be repaired.

    8. Re:Not quite so much by pz · · Score: 1

      I have 1940 radios with the original electrolytics in them and they work just fine.

      I do as well! I get a big kick out of them. But I have many more radios with electrolytics that have failed with messy results. We all should recall the recent motherboard debacle where inferior-grade electrolytics were used that affected even IBM's desktop computers.

      But I've also known (or, ahem, have caused) tantalums to fail. When I've been able to discern what went wrong, it's never been the case that my father's rule of thumb was used. My saying this is anecdotal, but my father's designs have been manufactured to thousands of instruments and while there have been failures in the field, to the best of my knowledge, none of them have been due to tantalum caps dying.

      (Another plug for my dad's engineering: the instruments he designed are used for EPA-mandated monitoring of atmospheric pollution -- any Slashdot readers in places like Los Angeles who get daily reports of air quality predictions on their local news are getting data that originated in his designs. But here's the plug: I once met an EPA inspector at a party. Her job was to go around to the trailers around the metropolitan area where these instruments are installed and verify that they were working correctly. She said, "[company name]'s instruments are great! They're always working!" She didn't, yet, know that my dad had designed them, and it was cool to get unbiased feedback like that.)

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  16. So what you're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony is responsible for all of the troubles in Africa. Should've known.

    Boycott Sony!

  17. Overblown handwringing based on outdated data. by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Joystiq has posted an excellent refutation of this tempest in a tea-pot.

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  18. Text from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    In the rugged volcanic mountains of the Congo the conflict known as Africa's World War continues to smolder after ten grueling years. The conflict earned its name because at the height of the war eight African nations and over 25 militias were in the combatant mix. But more recently the conflict was given another name: The PlayStation War. The name came about because of a black metallic ore called coltan. Extensive evidence shows that during the war hundreds of millions of dollars worth of coltan was stolen from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). The UN and several NGOs claim some of the most active thieves were the Rwandan military, several militias supported by the Rwandan government, and also a number of western-based mining companies, metal brokers, and metal processors that had allegedly partnered with these Rwandan factions. After it is refined, coltan becomes a bluish-gray powder called tantalum, which is defined as a transition metal. For the most part, tantalum has one significant use: to satisfy the West's insatiable appetite for personal technology. Tantalum is used to make cell phones, laptops and other electronics made, for example, by SONY, a multi-billion dollar multinational based in Japan that manufactures the iconic PlayStation, a video game console. And while allegations of plundering coltan from a nation in desperate need of revenue seem bad enough, the UN also discovered that Rwandan troops and rebels were using prisoners-of-war and children to mine for the "black gold." "Kids in Congo were being sent down mines to die so that kids in Europe and America could kill imaginary aliens in their living rooms," said British politician Oona King, who was a Member of Parliament from 1997 to 2005. Most of the fighting from Africa's World War ended in 2003 following a peace accord. But reports of troop tension, instability and rampant sexual violence against women continue to emerge from where the war was at its most intense: the eastern portion of the DRC, near the city of Goma and in the DRC province of North Kivu. This is a region where millions of Congolese live among active volcanoes and endangered Mountain Gorillas. But even if many have put down their guns, a London-based non-government office called Rights and Accountability in Development (RAID) continues to fight its own battle against scores of Western-based mining companies that continued to work in the DRC, or purchase minerals and metals allegedly stolen from the DRC, as the war raged on. These companies, such as Eagle Wings Resources International of Ohio, Cabot Corporation of Boston, Mass., and Chemie Pharmacie Holland of the Netherlands, were charged with having stolen millions of dollars worth of resources out of the DRC, or made millions processing stolen resources from the DRC, namely coltan. When the war started in 1998, the UN and others believed that one area of the conflict was the product of tribal and ethnic rivalries. The Rwandan government, for instance, told the world they invaded the DRC, their neighbor to the West, to go after those who committed atrocities during the 1994 genocide that killed over 800,000 people. Yet, according to the UN, the Rwandans were shedding blood for something far cheaper; they were shooting it out for the mines that pockmarked the volcanic mountains of DRC's eastern regions. These mines contained deposits of cobalt, uranium, gold and, of course, coltan. A UN Panel of Experts investigation would expose the resource war in 2001, releasing several reports entitled "The Illegal Exploitation of Natural Resources and Other Forms of Wealth of the DRC". The reports made disturbing charges against scores of multinational mining companies, like Eagle Wings Resources International and Chemie Pharmacie Holland. The UN alleged the mining companies directly and indirectly fueled the war, paralyzing the DRC government, and using the conflict to keep the coltan flowing cheaply out of the Congo. Some companies were also accused by the UN of aligning with elements of the warring parties. Fast forward to 2008,

    1. Re:Text from TFA by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is there a <br /> shortage?

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    2. Re:Text from TFA by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't you hear? More than 70% of the world's supply of /> tags are mined in Africa. The GP is trying to prevent further bloodshed by boycotting their use.

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  19. Doh. by Neodudeman · · Score: 1

    I submitted this article too, but apparently I need l2/. cause I suck at it.

  20. 2001 called... by Diego_27182818 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  21. Consumer Electronics? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Consumer electronics my ass - it's being stockpiled for Terminator endoskeletons

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    1. Re:Consumer Electronics? by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Speak for yourself. I think a Terminator version of Summer Glau (programmable, of course) would be one hell of a big seller at Best Buy. I know I'd buy one.

      If they had a Kristanna Loken on sale I'd probably pick up one of those too. Depends on what type of rebates they were offering.

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    2. Re:Consumer Electronics? by v1 · · Score: 1

      the url in your sig is forbidden (403)

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    3. Re:Consumer Electronics? by Chas · · Score: 1

      Some people buy construction equipment, cars, and guns to mangle themselves to death and spray their blood all over the place.

      You want to buy a Terminator for that purpose. Yeah, modeled after a pretty girl. You can die with a stiffy.

      Okay.

      NO THANK YOU!

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    4. Re:Consumer Electronics? by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      Off-topic perhaps, but wouldn't that be Terminator exoskeletons? I know they have a flesh covering when they are sent to infiltrate human strongholds, or sent back in time, but they don't always have the covering. In Terminator 2, when they flash to the future, we often see terminators walking around without the flesh covering. We can theorize that the flesh covering is used only on the infiltrator and time travel models, but is not standard issue - similar to a sniper's ghilly suit.

      So, the flesh is not an integral part of a terminator, but a useful "add on", and it would seem that since all of the terminators vital parts are housed within the skeleton, this would make it more of an exoskeleton instead of an endoskeleton.

      Just a thought and not meant as a troll.

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    5. Re:Consumer Electronics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm...Jewel Staite covered in hot grits...

      Ehm, I have to go now.

  22. Wait, what did that say? by techpawn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thirst for Coltrane Fueling African Conflict?
    See there is a place for Jazz in the world... But liked him before he got clean man... No junk... No soul...

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    1. Re:Wait, what did that say? by argent · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, no, it's Coulton they're after. Jonthan Coulton. They need a new theme song, and thought "Still Alive" is a great idea. Wouldn't you?

  23. Required by Wiarumas · · Score: 1
    In A.D. 2008, war was beginning.

    Somebody set up us the ./

    All your Coltan are belong to us.

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  24. Africa is broken :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that just about any natural resource available in Africa lends way to some terrible conflict. (You only need to watch "Shake Hands with the Devil" to realize just how unstable things are over there.)

  25. Why the Sony hate? by Oh+no,+it's+Dixie · · Score: 0

    This article makes it seem as if Sony is fueling African conflict in a similar fashion to the less reputable diamond dealers. However, coltan is used in so many electronic products that you can't really nail it down to one company like TFA appears to be trying to do. But then again: SONY IS EVIL AND IS KILLING INNOCENT AFRICANS

  26. It's SKYNET by QuebecNerd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Don't you get it, SKYNET has begun building it's Terminator army.

    Let me get naked and go back in time to fix that for you...

    1. Re:It's SKYNET by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Let me get naked and go back in time to fix that for you...

      Based on the usual description of the male population of ./, I'd prefer you didn't.

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    2. Re:It's SKYNET by QuebecNerd · · Score: 1

      Can't we make a little joke!

      We all know that the endoskeleton of the Terminators is made of a derivative of Coltan. According to an episode of 'The Sarah Conner Chronicles' I saw on TV.

      A heavy demand for Coltan can only mean one thing...

  27. I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shade grown, hand-picked 'fair trade' and 'ethical' electronics components for sale.

    Don't buy blood-silicon!

  28. brawndo by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

    Playstation 2, its got what Congolians crave!

  29. Don't Hate The Game, Hate The Playa by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    Whouldn't our attention and opprobrium be better focused on the incredibly evil and greedy men who are driving those poor Africans out at gunpoint to mine Coltan (or diamonds or chocolate or whatever the cause of the day might be), instead of the consumer electronics where the stuff allegedly ends up?

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    1. Re:Don't Hate The Game, Hate The Playa by argent · · Score: 1

      They mine chocolate in Africa? I thought that kind of thing only happened in Warcraft.

    2. Re:Don't Hate The Game, Hate The Playa by strelitsa · · Score: 1

      What do you think it takes to build a chocolate city, neh?

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  30. No Sh%t Sherlock: And The Thirst For Oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is fueling the ____________ and ___________ conflicts.

    Have a weekend,
    K. Trout

  31. Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't news. The NYTimes Magazine had a piece on this over FIVE years ago.

  32. The Mission Song mentions the Playstation by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    They just threw the playstation name around for publicity, I think they could have done better.

    I have a feeling it's because a character in The Mission Song by John le Carre mentioned it as a use of Coltan.

    The book is fiction, and concerns (peripherally) mining of Coltan and other ores.

  33. Are you kidding me? by DirtySouthAfrican · · Score: 1

    On sale? Those are some pretty high standards. You clearly don't belong here =p

  34. Disappointed to see this story here by Pheidias · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was already ancient news when a nearly identical story came my way nine months ago.

    Here is Nokia's statement from 2006 (one of many companies to establish a policy regarding tantalum sourcing as a result of the Congo conflict), sitting in plain sight on their website:

    http://www.nokia.com/A4230065

    "Our position: Tantalum / Coltan

    "Nokia is not buying tantalum or other raw materials but processed components and assemblies from suppliers around the world. Suppliers' activities account for a substantial part of the life-cycle environmental impact of Nokia products. Nokia has a comprehensive set of global Nokia Supplier Requirements. These requirements also include environmental requirements. It is an integral part of Nokia's supply chain management to ensure that the suppliers comply with the requirements. To ensure compliance, trained Nokia personnel conduct regular assessments as part of normal supplier assessment.

    "Nokia does not use any endangered species for any business purpose and furthermore requests that its suppliers avoid raw material procurement from an origin where there are clear human or animal rights abuse, or the method of procurement or distribution is illegal. In marketing and other company activities, Nokia will depict animals in a dignified manner.

    "Nokia has sent a notification of the Congo situation to its suppliers using Tantalum asking them to follow the situation, and to avoid purchasing tantalum from Congo. Nokia is also reducing the use of tantalum in its products."

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    1. Re:Disappointed to see this story here by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Their statement basically says nothing. They are "requesting" that their suppliers "follow the situation" with regards to tantalum from the Congo. Not much of a commitment there. If they were so concerned, wouldn't they state that they do not, and will not use any components containing tantalum sourced from the Congo?

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    2. Re:Disappointed to see this story here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nice.

      It has nothing to do with SONY inciting the war in the first place and SONY driving up the price.

      Or that SONY has done absolutely NOTHING to stop the practice of inciting violence in the Congo.

      But it's nice to know that Nokia, a company that wasn't even named in the article, actually does care about Africa. It would be nice if SONY did too. But, not surprisingly, they don't.

  35. Hmmm by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's one way to do it.

    Stop selling weapons to Africa. Join the ICC to put those in jail who do sell weapons to Africa. Help them become self sufficient instead of just sending them cash. The US Economy alone could cut it's war budget by 10% and feed the whole continent. (I factor in nuclear research, the Dept of Homeland Security, and all other actually war related expenses for a total of one trillion dollars per year.)

    The reality is that we don't want to help Africans because we don't care about Africans. Rwanda? Darfur? Give our leaders a call when you can find some better natural resources to exploit, and then our march of freedom will spread southward. Otherwise we'll keep people like Nelson Mandela on our terrorist watch lists along with anyone else who dares to oppose pro-American governments.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Rayonic · · Score: 1

      The US Economy alone could cut it's war budget by 10% and feed the whole continent.

      How naive can you be? What about hostile and/or corrupt governments that would interfere? Well we could just force our way in to distribute food... oops, that's military action.

      Starvation in Africa is purely a political problem.

    2. Re:Hmmm by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      What Afria needs is not more free rice, but less bullets. Someone should make website, and for every silly word game you guess right, they pay a ninja to sneak into an african country and steal a bullet.

    3. Re:Hmmm by chill · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, that won't help.

      The #1 WMD in Africa has been by far the machete, with over 1,000,000 hacked to death just in the central African region during the Rwandan Genocides, Angolan and Ugandan civil wars. More people are killed by machetes in Africa than bullets. Just Google "machete deaths africa" for pages upon pages of depression.

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    4. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop selling weapons to Africa. Join the ICC to put those in jail who do sell weapons to Africa. Help them become self sufficient instead of just sending them cash. The US Economy alone could cut it's war budget by 10% and feed the whole continent. (I factor in nuclear research, the Dept of Homeland Security, and all other actually war related expenses for a total of one trillion dollars per year.)

      On which continent does the humble machete account for a large amount of the killing done in a genocide? The correct answer is of course Africa. I say give them more weapons and I'm completely serious about this. At least it's more realistic than thinking it's even possible to stop selling them weapons and that existing weapons would disappear by themselves.

    5. Re:Hmmm by SupremoMan · · Score: 1
      How is feeding Africans going to solve anything? I feed 1 today, they grow up healthy and have 10 kids. 10 kids that will be starving also. Should my kids then feed their 10 kids?

      I believe Africa's troubles stem from technology which their society was ill prepared to deal with. Even stuff like vaccines that will drastically increase the population growth does more harm than good in the long run if the society does not curb it's breeding habits.

  36. Economic pressure by TheAxeMaster · · Score: 1

    Aka stop buying the things they're fighting over. If no one cared about their oil, their diamonds, their minerals or whatever there'd be nothing to kill each other over except food, water and liberty. If they don't have money from us to buy guns they'll have significantly less problems. But Western nations aren't willing to stop buying these things (yet).

  37. Is there any substitute for tantalum on the by alizard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    horizon? I was thinking carbon nanotube ultracaps given that the response time and storage capacity in similar packaging should be at least comparable.

    1. Re:Is there any substitute for tantalum on the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aluminum Organic aren't half bad for the larger values. I wish they'd get the cost down a bit more though.

      There's at least one company (AVX) doing Niobium capacitors - the material is close to tantalum, but single sourcing a part that has slightly inferior specs... Especially since the tantalum shortage a couple years back cleared up pretty quickly.

  38. JoCo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love me some Jonathan Colton

  39. Not to be a jerk but.... by bigplrbear · · Score: 0, Redundant

    honestly, anything and EVERYTHING starts a war in Africa. This is really nothing new.

  40. What is a consumer supposed to do about this? by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

    The article is unreachable, so I can't see what it says.

    Should we be boycotting niobium products now (niobium == columbium, which got its name from being the key element in columbite)? I see it's used in prosthetics, jet engines and superconducting wires [so it's probably used in MRI imaging]). Expecting people to avoid all these products looks impossible.

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  41. I wonder how they feel about drugs and FARC? by unassimilatible · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These left wing, anti-capitalist groups claim some tenuous link between a metal and African violence, or oil and terrorism. But a much more direct link is between the violent terror group FARC and the illegal drug trade.

    But any reference to there being a moral imperative to obey drug laws sees to be missing from the Toward Freedom Website.

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    1. Re:I wonder how they feel about drugs and FARC? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      leagalise 'em and lets grow the drugs here then. That would solve the problem, if only it was that simple to source diamonds and coltan and oil in our own countries.

      Grow your own! or synthesise some LSD!

    2. Re:I wonder how they feel about drugs and FARC? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      But a much more direct link is between the violent terror group FARC and the illegal drug trade.

      The paramilitaries have more to do with drugs than FARC does. Drug kingpin Pablo Escobar started the AUC paramilitary. And while Uribe gave the paramilitaries a free pass, he won't even negotiate with FARC or ELN.

      But any reference to there being a moral imperative to obey drug laws sees to be missing from the Toward Freedom Website.

      Narco News does better there, that is pointing out the damage the Drug War inflicts.

      Falcon

  42. So, Israel is the sole source of conflict? by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

    Is that what you are saying? Never mind the huge amount of arms in the region, purchased with oil revenues. Yeah, it is all on Israel, they are the only ones causing the conflict. And we invaded Iraq because Israel told us to. Right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of Israel, but they didn't invade Iraq. And all that Saudi oil money has nothing to do with conflict in the region.

    1. Re:So, Israel is the sole source of conflict? by treeves · · Score: 1

      No. Israel is not the sole or even primary cause of the conflict but they are a great focus of the conflict. Israel is the best armed, and not from oil revenues, btw. And they need to be, being surrounded by nations who want them gone.

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  43. Oh come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This made it to here?
    Seriously?

    Do the people even read what they post on here anymore?

    Yet another website desperate for attention by blaming X for a war, nothing to see here.

  44. Totally wasn't thinking ores. by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    Phew, I'm glad Coltan is Still Alive!

  45. Reference? by slyborg · · Score: 1

    Eh? I'm a little out of date on the hardware side now, but my recollection was that the reason for using tantalums was their lower ESR than other capacitor types at higher capacitance values. This made them superior in high frequency applications.

    So, assuming the laws of physics haven't been revoked, I'd be curious what makes these "newish ceramic caps" so delicious.

    1. Re:Reference? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I am not sure what he was talking about either.

      Large valued ceramic capacitors while nice are rather expensive and are not as volumetrically efficient as tantalum electrolytics. Even worse, Z5U and similar dielectrics have a rather large capacitance to voltage and temperature coefficient. Maybe he was thinking of the newer OSCON type electrolytic capacitors? They have been around for at least ten years and are only now starting to show up in PC motherboards but they are neither ceramic nor tantalum based.

      Tantalum capacitors have an odd failure mode associated with large inrush surge currents which can cause a rather spectacular crowbar like short circuit. They either have to be characterized for that type of service or appropriately derated.

  46. violence by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no economic value in producing a weapon.

    Sure there is, it makes defense contractors lots of money. But it is a drain on the economy, there's the opportunity cost, money that could have been used more wisely.

    Falcon

    1. Re:violence by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      There are also hidden costs in not producing enough/capable enough weapons: being ruled by those who did. Those who beat their swords into plowshares plow for those who kept their swords. The trick is finding balance. Being strong enough that evil people won't mess with you and not dumping so much into combat ability that you can't take care of your own. As long as fear and want are so strong it will be very difficult to achieve that balance.

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    2. Re:violence by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Thank you. You make an important point, and clarify my writing a little. A drain on the economy is exactly what I was looking to say.

    3. Re:violence by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      That's very true. But there is a difference between producing weapons to defend ourselves, and producing weapons to conquer other nations. For example: there is no valid argument that the most recent Iraq war was a defensive action.

      I would go so far to argue that conquering an independent nation is ultimately a drain on the economy. Is the benefit gained really worth the costs of occupying the country and putting down an insurgency? England certainly wasn't able to hold together it's empire.

    4. Re:violence by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      There are also hidden costs in not producing enough/capable enough weapons: being ruled by those who did.

      And who's got the weapons to rule? Militarily the USA only has China as a potential threat how China has about as much to loose as the US in any serious confrontation. The US could have cut defense spending without causing harm to the country. Heck, if the defense budget had been cut to 10% of it was at the end of the Cold War then a citizen's army was formed much of the cut in spending could have been used to help the poor in the Third World. Terrorism may be the grated threat the US will face, and a lot of the foot soldiers come from the poor, some feel their life as so little meaning a suicide bomber's death will give them that. By improving everyone's lives it takes away how terrorists, some at least, breed.

      As long as fear and want are so strong it will be very difficult to achieve that balance.

      One of my favorite quotes about this was said by Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Like the USA's Founding Fathers my greatest fear isn't terrorists but government.

      Falcon

  47. Someboy Has Got to Say It! by epluribusunum · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    First off, the jag-off who wrote this story is an unabashed NIMBY liberal, who in order to make an argument, abandons all semblance of common sense. Second, this story takes place in Africa. In the Congo. They are Black people who live there. This species of hominid is incapable of reason, civility, social grace, cognitive recognition, abstract thought, independent governance, among numerous other shortcomings as a race of people. Please do not assume that these people are capable of establishing and maintaining and Western norms of Jurisprudence. They are not Homo sapiens Caucasus but homo Negroid that are as far away from whites as chimpanzees are from baboons. Now before all you slashdotters get your panties in a bunch, you need to illustrate an example in the world where blacks have met or exceeded western white social ideals. Stop holding them up to ideals to which they are incapable of meeting.

  48. Actually by arstchnca · · Score: 1

    i'm pretty sure the guns are for shooting people.

    Now if you had said police officers, the "defensive-gun" concept could stand up a little better. A little.

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  49. Aww by arstchnca · · Score: 1

    It's a shame you got modded flamebait! I thought your hilarious post was definitely +funny!

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    1. Re:Aww by xappax · · Score: 1

      If you thought that was funny, wait 'till you hear this: Last week, cops in my city shot a black guy in the back and killed him! You know, 'cause he was black!

      Get it? People of African descent are subhuman! Now that's +funny!

  50. Would wholeheartedly mod up if I could. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that so long as our country is going to be going on militadventures under the banner of "improving conditions," people could at least adopt some sympathy.

  51. doing something by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    That would be something I agree on. The way I see it there is only two ways the world could solve Africa's problems, with force or ignore it.

    A third way is to stop supporting bad actors.

    Next solution would be to basically wall off Africa, noting and nobody goes in or out. Cut them off from the rest of the world. Famine, war, and plague will pretty much take care of the rest.

    Yea right. Not much can be done about the Sudan, the Chinese supports them because of the oil.

    Yes, it's heartless and pretty fucking sick but its the best I can think of. We've poured hundreds of billions of dollars of aid in to Africa over the last 60 years and all it has done is make it worse.

    That's because the aid was the wrong type of aid. Much of the aid was based on the Washington Consensus, it's predecessors, and followers like neoliberalism. One part of this was to get most of the population to move into cities then let large scale farms grow food, when the west didn't export food. So, many small hold farmers were basically driven off farms, the same thing happened in Central America. The "Wilson Quarterly" had a pretty good article on how small farms are increasing in numbers and are producing more food than large operations, "The Coming Revolution in Africa". Though not the same, Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of southern Africa. They used to produce enough food to feed everyone yet still had plenty of food left to export, food was Zimbabwe's major export earner. But now it's a basketcase and needs food aid.

    Falcon

    1. Re:doing something by Hubbell · · Score: 1

      The reason Zimbabwe is failing is the same reason South Africa went from being a peaceful place to being a shithole of rape and murder that it is now. Mugabe took all the farm land owned by white farmers, told them to GTFO of his country, and handed it all over to uneducated blacks. Within a single year the country went from being the breadbasket to starving.

  52. That's why I support the USA! by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

    That's the United States of Africa! Only when certain basic democratic institutions and infrastructure are taken continent wide will real prosperity and the means of prosperity have a chance to take hold. It's a vicious cycle. How do we encourage prosperity and investment in areas that are not secure? How do we secure a continent that does not really have the wealth to pay for proper security and peace-keeping missions?
    Sadly, while I hope and pray that the USA will eventually form, it seems that we might be forced to wait until multinationals 'buy' African countries and become the meta-nationals of Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars" trilogy.
    Unless of course America decides to 'bring peace and democracy' to Africa? ;-) (Please, let's have NOOOOOOO more 'bringing democracy' to countries -- for pity's sake!)

  53. Mod parent up by TheLink · · Score: 1

    They hack each other to death. And one machete can kill and keep killing for quite a long time.

    I'm not sure what really can be done.

    The main thing is the rich countries have other priorities.

    1) The rich countries with farmers, subsidize their farmers (go confirm it yourself). So guess what happens to farmers in countries too poor to subsidize their farmers - they can't compete. Any farming will be just for growing food for themselves - farming won't drag them out of poverty. Or giving up and getting food from "foreign aid". Think about it - how can a farmer get significant $$$ if almost everyone around them is a subsistence farmer, and if you're not a farmer why buy food from a local farmer who can't sell you food cheaper than "foreign aid" or cheaper food from subsidized farmers in other countries? Yes I know this is a simplification.

    2) The hypocritical rich countries keep making the poor countries play by different rules (don't subsidize your farmers, open your markets), or encourage them to do stupid stuff like sell their reserves to pay back loans. Read between the lines here: http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/malawi.htm and note this is a PR release by the IMF, go look for a less charitable view on what happened). Yeah maybe the IMF didn't tell them to sell everything, but with "help" like this guess why Africa is having such big problems. It's like telling some farmer you _know_ has had a track record for being _stupid_ and who owes you money: "pay back now!", then when he sells all his grain to pay you back, and his family is starving, you say "Oh it's not my fault, nobody told him to sell all his grain". Right, they're such a great help to Africa aren't they?

    Sometimes I wonder if China is really doing such a bad thing by "colonizing" Africa (that's what the Westerners like to call it anyway). The Europeans have had their turn, the Africans themselves have also had their turn (some have done the "kick all the whiteys out" thing and it didn't work that well eh?) and neither have done a good job.

    As far as I see the Chinese want the raw materials fast, plentiful and cheap. Wars and riots don't help with that. So maybe they might figure something out. Some parts of Africa may start looking like some parts of China - practically no government involvement - just factories/mines with a few independent entrepreneurs selling phones, snacks etc. There'll probably be a fair bit of killing of people who "aren't good for business" by the military (sponsored by the Chinese). BUT, hopefully not as much random killing, or as many mobs slashing each other with machetes.

    It's not good, but is there anyone else willing and able to do something better?

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    1. Re:Mod parent up by chill · · Score: 1

      I'm not disputing really any of that. Sometimes I think we need to stop all cash aid to these (all) countries. Any aid should be in infrastructure built -- roads, sewer systems, clean water systems, a power grid, telecom -- and educating them with a goal of them educating themselves. Teach a man to fish, etc.

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  54. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill, you would like us to buy MS's box instead?

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  57. Mugabe and Zimbabwe by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The reason Zimbabwe is failing is the same reason South Africa went from being a peaceful place to being a shithole of rape and murder that it is now. Mugabe took all the farm land owned by white farmers, told them to GTFO of his country, and handed it all over to uneducated blacks. Within a single year the country went from being the breadbasket to starving.

    That's part of it, while Mugabe forced white farmers off the farms, he gave those farms to his cronies who knew nothing about farming. Zimbabwe had blacks who could have farmed almost if not as well as the white farmers. If nothing else Mugabe could have tried to keep those able to farm on the farms and had them train new farmers. Perhaps they could have been made the general manager of the farm, which was then incorporated with all the working hands receiving stocks in the corporation.

    Mugabe liberated Zimbabwe then became a tyrant himself.

    Falcon

    1. Re:Mugabe and Zimbabwe by Hubbell · · Score: 1

      Africa was fucked the minute europeans started trading/ruling them. You cannot go from stoneage tech to gunpowder and other technology without the hundreds of years of cultural development that came between them. Africa will *always* be fucked because of that unless whites/europeans are ruling it with an iron fist as the africans themselves are simply incapable of doing so without being monsters.

  58. martial arts by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Were you listening when they told you that was for the situation where your gun jams, is lost or runs out of ammo?

    Martial arts or hand to hand combat isn't just for what you listed here. We were also trained to use it it urban combat and other instances where small arms isn't practical. While a person could use a .45 APC in close combat trying to use an M16 is not practical when you can feel your opponent's breath. However the only grunts, infantry, that are issued .45s other than maybe officers were mortar men, those who fired mortars. Though I was trained to clean .45s I never fired one, and most guys in the companies I was in didn't train to clean them even.

    Falcon