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China Has Largest On-Line Population
Smivs writes "China now has the
world's largest net-using population,
say official figures.
More than 253 million people in the country are now online, according to statistics from the China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC).
About 95% of those going online connect via high-speed links. Take up of broadband has been boosted by deals offered by China's fixed line phone firms as they fight to win customers away from mobile operators.
Despite having a greater number of people online, China's net economy still has a long way to go to match or exceed that of the US or even that of South Korea.
Figures from Analysis International said China's net firms reported total revenues of $5.9bn (£2.96bn) in 2007. By contrast, net advertising revenue alone for US firms in 2007 stood at $21.2bn (£10.6bn)."
Didn't we just have a story about how advertising on the web is way over-valued?
I wouldn't trust the Chinese government to report on the color of the sky, but I suppose there are ways to validate their claims.
Blar.
It's one thing to say that China has the largest on-line population, and it's an interesting factoid. But I'm not sure it counts as net access, since it is somewhat (as in noticably) restricted as such. With all due respect that's like saying that the USA has the highest proportion of outdoor workers in the western world, because most of the offices have clean windows and sometimes you can see a few trees.
... just an hour after viewing internet prOn, they need to get back online and view more.
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If they're stuck behind that big ass firewall of theirs?
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At least the United States still holds both titles for "Largest Uncensored On-Line Population" and "Largest Monitored On-Line Population."
Take that, People's Republic of What's Left of Chairman Mao!
How about the restrictions they have?
How can you count one "online person" when this person can't visit many of the most popular sites on the net and doesn't generates all the in/out traffic that the rest of us create?
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Even if it sounds impressive because that's almost as many people with internet connections as America has altogether it's still only right around 20% of their total population. I'd find a country with 90% of their population regularly using the internet to be a lot more impressive.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
Largest Uncensored On-Line Population
That's right! I can say whatever I want! I can even say that In Iraq, Bush &*&)&(&)(*&()&)(&(F*&(R*# nikmkam sf,d. f,/. ....
Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Just what we need, more people for the "human flesh search engine", the name given to people who hunt down those who say unpopular or anti-party sentiments. See here.
This has been used to find unpopular people. From selfish idiots commenting about the earthquake, to Chinese students abroad supporting Tibetan independence. They and their family are then subject to harassment until they repent.
Sorry, I just heard about this, and I'm pissed. This is what totalitarian one-party states are about, you're either "one of us" or you're marginalized until you can no longer function in society.
This may be a great leap backward.
Fortunately, we have sites like EastSouthWestNorth to sift through the state party-line bullshit and bring us stories like this.
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Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Strange. I was just trying to find out how many computer users there are worldwide. I can't get a good estimate.
already signing up for their WoW accounts and getting in on the gold farming action.
Tiananmen Square Massacre!
Tiananmen Square Massacre!
Tiananmen Square Massacre!
They're not online enough to read this comment... Does that really count as online?
<retrospect>Was that cruel? I figured it as a way to invoke curiosity when they think they're going to an article about something good, and they end up being blocked by that stupid firewall...</retrospect>
It supports Hanzi characters but not ascii
They have the most users online, but can these users even read slashdot?
With a population of ~1.3 billion, 253 billion people online is just terrible.
I just read Slashdot for the articles.
About 95% of those going online connect to 86% of the Internet via high-speed links.
There are also more English-speaking people in China than there are in the USA. Yawn?
So they have the largest online population. Of course, it would be that 99% of them are members of the Chinese Communist Party [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China].
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I've seen this report about 1 millions times, it isn't news.
Actually, I would be surprised if we were the largest monitored population. I would suspect China takes that award. There's no telling what the Russians are up to today as well.
What good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?
Politicians and Pedophiles: Two groups of exploitive bastards who are most dangerous when they're thinking of children.
mmm Largest online pollution .... after water, air, ground ... they moved to the internet and started to pollute that also ...
It's impressive that 95% of the population has high-speed Internet, but "high-speed" is limited to within the country only. Links to foreign countries are slow - VERY slow. Especially to U.S. sites. It took a very long time to load Slashdot.
That said, the links within the country are insanely fast - and cheap. People over there don't even use Bittorrent: they host all their movies on public HTTP servers. Bandwidth is so cheap that they don't even need Bittorrent. There is even some kind of urban myth over there which says that Bittorrent will wear off your hard drive because of excessive hard drive activity.
I'm guessing that doesn't include the gold miners, etc, in World of Warcraft et al.!
please tell the US that Nazi rightist pages should be censored. And a few Sex pages do not make your youth become murders, but violent games and websites do! At least China and the US both censor Sex-related pages! And the US killed many to in the last few years - just not in front of the White house, but in the Twin Towers. I would love to see the number of occurences of severe violence exchanged with the number of sex-scenes and vice versa. Make love not war!
And this means what to the price of tea in London?
We better make a china.slashdot.org or the chinese /. equivalent will be able to DoS us!
1/7th of the world's population, it would make sense that you have the most participants, right?
Blacker than my baby girl's stare. Black like the veil that the muslimina wear. Black like the planet that they fear...
Unexpectedly, Tuvalu (official population of around 11,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu) is the second largest online population. Go figure.
There's no telling what the Russians are up to today as well
I'd be all for a Great Firewall of Russia if said firewall would cut down on the spam and the ssh hacking attempts that always seem to come from Russian IP addresses.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
My net is about as evolving as an alzheimers victim.The repeats are phenomonal.My searches are for anything but reality in return, or someone cramming the lies (attempting to) of products in my face. I mean to the point where a psychosis would emerge if I were a bit crazy as a dailiy internet user, must be over 100k hours since 99 (I mean nearly every freaking day for 9 years). As computers go, strongest energy wins, even when commanded otherwise.So its chinas fault. All thier fault. So now that china has taken over everything...with about as much solid state as a plastic gi figure...I'll just shut off my pc and go back to welding the manliest little car that ever came from japan. The only one. Ever.Optimism right? yes optimism. I'll talk to myself,and no one else until I go postal.
Waco is a dumb comparison. Kent State is better (protesters being shot by troops) but even still..... situation that gets out of hand resulting in four deaths compared to a situation where the Government sent in the troops with the specific mission of cracking down on the protesters and which ended in hundreds of deaths.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
How do they get away with saying "even that of South Korea" when South Korea is light years ahead of the US and plenty of other western countries.
The article fails to mention whether they are connecting from home or from internet cafes, and I'd venture to guess that since computers cost the same in China as in the U.S. while the average person's salary is a fraction of that in the U.S., the majority of "net-connected" Chinese are actually using internet cafes (or possibly school computers) for internet access. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but keep in mind that 95% broadband market share is easy to do if most of the market is internet cafes. Also, although China has a vast landmass like the U.S., its population centers are incredibly dense, making broadband a much more feasible in the first place.
You do realize that if you'd lived in China and tried that little joke of yours about Mao, you'd be someplace like the local Super Happy Peace and Harmony facility, crouching on the concrete floor trying to put your teeth back in.
In absolute terms, people have lots more personal freedoms in the US of A compared to China. Now if we look at the trends, that's another story...
Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
What a coincidence, I just checked Wikipedia and it seems that China also has the world's largest overall population. How strange.
If you don't know what you're doing, you can't make mistakes.
I wonder how many of these lines are used for business oriented links with webfarms as long as the eye can see, botting on hundreds of diff. games to make an economy worth while for some chinese population trying to make a small living.
The chinese gov. has admitted that gaming is a big economy for them right now.
I wonder if used only legit traffic, and remove gaming traffic, if it would be as high
Actually, from what I heard from friends in China or were in China, people just don't really care about jokes about that guy these days except some communist officals in more offical events. I've seen soft jokes (in the form of pics and text) about the communist leaders passing everywhere online amoung Chinese communities even on forums in mainland China. I just don't think those people cares at all.
and who's filter that? are they not on google or yahoo?
...in the world today, you'd better learn to love them, that's what I say. http://www.mwscomp.com/sounds/mp3/chinese.mp3
China also has the worlds largest in-line and out of line population. Whats the big story here?
Figures from Analysis International said China's net firms reported total revenues of $5.9bn (£2.96bn) in 2007. By contrast net advertising revenue alone for US firms in 2007 stood at $21.2bn (£10.6bn)."
Not as much profit to be made when you're in China, buying products made in China.
-- If we don't stand up for our rights, now, there will be no right to stand up for them later.
So how do we know what people are measuring when they claim that country C has some number U of internet users? I can't tell from this or any other article I've seen on the topic how they define a user. As far as I can tell, they don't distinguish a person who has used the Internet once from a person who works full time on the Internet.
Is there any actual meaning to such supposed measurements? Or should we just consider them as meaningless PR?
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
If you actually talk to people from and in China, they don't really understand why we think that they have it that bad, especially since its not much better here.
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The real question is: How many of them are farming gold on WoW?
China + population is never news.
We had big dreams for the internet back in the 80s and 90s, we haven't really won the war for freedom of information if almost a quarter of the worlds 'internet' users are behind a highly censored firewall. I'd go with the above implications here that it's hard to say china's net users are really net users considering the narrow pipe with which they can talk to the rest of the real internets. A friend of mine in china was speculating the internet at the media village costs so much because they have to pay for the truely deep inspection of traffic and special equipment has been set up to monitor and capture data. Just speculation of course, but believable.
After logging in slashdot still does not take you back to the page you were on. It's been that way for 20 years.
For those of you familar...Homer is asking Flanders "I thought you had cable?". Flanders replies, yep, 493 channels....blocked out. The only channels he had were religious and the weather channel. Kind of reminds me what China's internet is probably like. Yep, unlimited access! You only get to the web sites WE want you to see. So, given China's population, I bet they have more internet users, but, they don't have the FREEDOM to see the TRUE internet.
Yes. I need proxy and google reader for Slahdot's rss and I don't think 512k or 2M is a "high speed" connection. but most of these 253 Million have no idea what is IP address?, how to use email client, there is a censorship?, and they don't visit non-chinese web site. they only knows how to use QQ(ICQ like IM) to track girls. and play MMORPG.
What fucking good would it do if they did know about Tiananmen?
The great and holy USA with their unfettered (until recently?) net access still continues to SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE AND ENABLE the most significant genocide in modern times, one that overshadows all others in terms of the longevity of the poisons left for the new generations.
I sadly think there are as many ignorant, lazy, uneducated, unthinking selfish fucks in China as there are in the USA (hard to believe sometimes) or anywhere else, and showing them a little movie about Tiananmen wouldn't be the panacea so many seem to imply.
The famous great firewall of China is something we love to rant about, and conveniently ignore the plank of wood in our own eyes of how we willingly ignore our own complicity and exacerbate destruction and exploitation of our own making.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw so many stones...
It is strange to see - although not at all surprising - how a group of people make a heroic effort to explain away facts now on /.: "A person is not online unless (s)he can access the same crap everybody else can". Wow, you guys really have found "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Last time I looked 'online' simply meant 'connected to the internet'; but then I am not the guy who has got it all sussed, of course.
Funny how some seem to think - or perhaps it is not so much thinking as knee-jerk reaction. First the general tone was that all the Chinese were oppressed and really hated their Communist government; then it came out that in fact they were quite happy, the ungrateful bastards. But then, fortunately there is the censure and the Great, Big Firewall - which it turns out isn't all that effective, and probably not needed at all, since most Chinese aren't interested in Good, American Family and Freedom Values, such as internet porn and SPAM; because, can you believe it, they don't read English. I mean, sometimes you despair - it is as if they don't even make the effort to do as they are bloody well told and reach for Freedom(TM). So, obviously, they aren't really online at all.
Or could the truth be that the continuously repeated mantras about China are simply false? If you are moderately interested in the truth, at least you should entertain the possibility that what you hear repeated over and over by people who don't really know anything could actually be wrong.