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How Do Geeks Exercise?

An anonymous reader writes "I have always been thin but all the sitting in front of the PC is taking its toll now that I'm getting older. I have begun to get a little heavier around the waist. I don't eat a lot but the weight seems to stay on these days. Most of the time I don't have the luxury of just getting out of the house/office. And being an introvert, I'm not enamored of the idea of exercising in full view of *shudder* people. I regularly do press-ups (60 per night) and sit-ups (30 per night) and some fetching and carrying, but that is all and these days it isn't enough. I need a solid and effective routine that will tone all my muscle groups efficiently. Do any Slashdotters have a regular workout routine that can be performed in the privacy of the home to stave off those pounds?"

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  1. Bike to work by evw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bike to work. (Make living close enough to bike a priority.)

    1. Re:Bike to work by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed. I bike 30 miles every other day and that was enough, along with a sensible diet, to get me from a peak of 180 pounds down to a more healthy 155. Now I'm steady at 155 but can still eat more than I normally could without the exercise. Plus it's good for the heart.

      Maintaining weight is a matter of how many calories you consume and how many your burn. Weight training will build muscle but doesn't burn a lot of calories. Things like running, swimming, and biking are the kinds of things that burn calories.

      I'm sorry you're an introvert. Make time for your health and enjoy the great outdoors. You can always get a stationary bike but, having one of those that I use in the winter, I can assure you that a real bike out in the real world is MUCH more rewarding and it will help you relax mentally as well as keep you in shape physically.

    2. Re:Bike to work by JakeD409 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bike to work. (Make living close enough to bike a priority.)

      I want to start doing, but I work in an office where they'd care if I came to work sweaty and stinky. What's the solution to this?

    3. Re:Bike to work by pluther · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just bike home from work, instead?

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    4. Re:Bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and makes you better than everyone else.

      I laughed at this, but why do some cyclists have that attitude? I'm talking about the type who scream at motorists to "share the road" because "bikes have the same rights as motor vehicles," and then proceed to run the next four red lights.

      /rant

    5. Re:Bike to work by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A good mix is obviously best. But if he wants to burn calories, I stand by my assertion that traditional exercises such as running, swimming, and cycling are more efficient at burning calories than weight training unless you're doing some ungodly effort on the weight training.

      As an example, this link suggest that at 155 pounds and 60 minutes, I'd burn about 744 calories per hour cycling at 14-15.9mph. Meanwhile, general weightlifting comes in at 223 calories and vigorous weightlifting comes in at 446 calories. And it's a lot more reasonable for most people to do an hour on a bike than a constant productive hour of weight training.

      If he wants to lose weight, he should do these kinds of activities (biking, running, etc.). If he is looking for muscle mass then obviously weight training is an obvious choice. And if he wants both, well, he's going to have to do both.

    6. Re:Bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tell me about it. 1200-1280 calories a day, for almost 8 years, an hour walk every morning and 2 hours cyclic + circuit work 5 nights a week, and I have all the strength in the world underneath this flab. I also have fat rolls hanging off my arms and thighs, my stomach hangs down so much I haven't seen my own crotch in years unless I'm looking in the mirror, and I have two extra chins. 380lbs is the lowest I've been since the 1990s. Some of us keep up a decent amount of muscle and a hell of a lot of fat on minimal energy intake.

    7. Re:Bike to work by Flapjack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's simply not true. Muscle mass burns calories all day long while aerobics only burns while you perform that particular exercise. Metabolic rate is increased around 11hrs post-resistance training & only 1 hr aerobically. You really need to do both to be fit though, as well as the 3rd piece of the puzzle - flexibility.

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    8. Re:Bike to work by u.hertlein · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry you're an introvert.

      Don't be sorry for us (you insensitive clod!)

      It's not like it's a disease, bad in anyway, or meaning that one does not enjoy being outside.
      It's probably different for everyone - for me it means that I don't like being in crowds and
      am more likely to relax being alone or with (a few) close friends.

      But I digress.

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    9. Re:Bike to work by thedullroar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Counter citation: "Body size and composition. To function properly, a bigger body mass requires more energy (more calories) than does a smaller body mass. Also, muscle burns more calories than fat does. So the more muscle you have in relation to fat, the higher your basal metabolic rate." From http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006

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    10. Re:Bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you considered selling your body to science? I mean by studying the way you can spend 3000 to 4000 calories while eating only 1200 calories could lead to a perpetual machine or something!

    11. Re:Bike to work by GeffDE · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unpossible, AC Troll! Your lies are laid bare.

      The minimum caloric needs of your 380 lb corpulence are ~2700 calories/day. Any less than that and your body starts raiding your fat rolls like your raid bakery rolls.

      You are full of shit; that may explain your obesity.

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    12. Re:Bike to work by berboot · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you shower at home before biking, you'll be surprised at how little your sweat smells after a ride into work. Apparently the smell people associate with sweat is mostly bacteria being dispersed by the sweat. Then when you get to work, I change in the restroom into my work clothes, and freshen up any sweaty spots with some scentless moist wipes, apply some deodorant, and I'm good to go for the day. I've been petitioning my employer to install a shower, but so far, no luck.

    13. Re:Bike to work by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps he left off a zero... If he spends 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, while only eating 12,000 calories, it would explain a lot.

    14. Re:Bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a myth that's been going around for quite some time...there's absolutely no basis for claiming that a well muscled person burns more calories when sitting on the couch.

      How about the fucking laws of a physics? If that extra muscle isn't decaying, and is being maintained alive, it takes energy to do so.

      The same thing is true for fatter people too. They burn more energy just sitting around. It's one of the reason for the yo-yo dieting. They lower their food intake, lose weight, thus their body requires less energy for maintenance of their thinner body. Now their lower intake of food isn't enough to make them lose weight at the same rate, and eventually they'll stop losing weight altogether. This causes them to becomes disheartened, they quit the diet thinking their new weight is good enough, and start eating at their older levels. Except that their older levels is far more energy than they need and they quickly gain the weight again.

      Advice to everyone who intends to lose weight. This sucks, but until you accept this as the truth, you'll never succeed: you don't go on a diet until you lose the weight and then it's over. You go on a diet, you lose weight. If you stop losing weight, it means you'll have to cut more calories. Eventually you'll reach the weight you want. Then you don't get to eat any more calories. You just found your equilibrium calorie point. That's the maximum you get to eat forever.

      Unless you put on some muscle and do enough cardio to burn more calories. Then you get to eat a bit more.

    15. Re:Bike to work by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Following-up, I found this link which says:

      he estimates that the increased lean body mass associated with exercise can increase total daily energy expenditure by between 8% (143 cals per day) for a moderately active person to 14% (286 cals per day) for a highly active person.

      If this person dos moderate weight training then over time (the increased MBR is not immediate) he might burn an extra 143 calories per day. That pretty much supports my position that if he wants to lose weight, he needs to be on a bike burning 400-740 calories per hour rather than 223 calories per hour of weightlifting. So if he does two hours of weight training to my two hours of biking, he'll burn maybe 223 * 2 + 143 = 589 calories per day in his exercise while I burn close to 1,480 even if I don't get any increased muscle mass from biking (which I do, albeit to a lesser extent than a good weight training program).

      If you want to burn calories: Run or bike, or similar cardio exercises. Of course a balanced workout including weight training is obviously the final goal. But if the immediate goal is weight loss, weight training isn't going to accomplish it nearly as fast as running or biking.

    16. Re:Bike to work by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I have had a similar experience. I do an hour of exercise a night (mostly riding - about 2500 kj) and lived on 4000 kj daily (yes, I worked it out) and my weight never droped below 110 kg.

      I got frustrated and decided to get scientific about it. When I did the maths I was surprised that my daily base intake should be 8000 kj - about twice of what I was getting. I realised that my body was probably in starvation mode and my metabolism was very slow.

      Currently, I'm working on an energy intake of about 6000-8000 kj and letting the exercise I do increase my metabolism and burn it off slowly. Consider upping your intake to 1500 calories a day and see how your metabolism reacts.

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    17. Re:Bike to work by flewp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Buy a huge SUV big enough to fit your bike in. Then drive to work with the bike. Then ride your bike home. Then take a cab to pick up your SUV and drive home. Simple!

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    18. Re:Bike to work by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are some great ideas here as you say but there are also some dangerous ones from my learning experiences. I will quantify/qualify...

      I went through about 13 years as a NON-PROFESSIONAL body builder. Not a weight lifter. (spacing intentional) At my peak I managed to hit 198 pounds with a 3% body fat. (For those interested in the perspective I'm a hair under 5' 10" tall.) At that time I was spending two to four hours a day in a gym and actually striving to get in a couple hours a day of some other heavy physical activity such as running or playing a sport. It was an obsession, prior to this I had been fat.

      I will NOT say that I know what I'm talking about because at 33 years old I suddenly started getting chubby but, by that time, I was already down to 172 pounds, not muscle, but chub. If I'd chopped the chub off (cardio) I'd have been nothing but 152 pounds.

      There are reasons at both ends of the spectrum for me.

      The first is diet and exercise. I ate well, I ate a lot. I ate healthy. During build cycles I'd consume 10k calories a day and think nothing of it. (I still love me some peanut butter.)

      The second, latter days, is due to lack of diet and lack of exercise.

      Today I've gotten to a healthy weight of 165.5 pounds (went to the doctor's this week) and pretty much sit there. I'd estimate that I engage in some sort of low impact exercise two to three times per week.

      However, I only eat two meals a day and only have two snacks per day. My caloric intake from beer is enough to maintain the weight and my limited activity keeps me from sagging.

      I would say that diet, nothing else, is more important than any other aspect of weight control. For each person it WILL be different. The idea that we, as geeks, can apply metrics is patently absurd because the human body ranges in scope from person to person to such wildly different degrees that we simply can't.

      This being said, I'm not a doctor and a doctor is the best choice to start with. Look to see what you're healthy enough to do and to find the best methods to achieve your weight control goals. To put it into geek terms there is no right choice nor a better choice for an OS/app but the one that works best for you. In my case it has always been diet constraints/allowances as the single most important factor.

      For anyone else it may be different.

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    19. Re:Bike to work by xalorous · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you are trying to say that one should strive for balance between weight/resistance training and aerobic excercise?

      I'm male, approaching 40. At 30 I joined the armed forces and had an ongoing battle with weight and fitness for 4 years until I left. I learned (in no particular order after the first one):
      1. To lose weight requires that you burn more calories than you consume.
      2. After 30, men need to lift weights to maintain muscle mass.
      3. Don't run two days in a row.
      4. Muscle burns more calories than fat.
      5. If you dramatically increase your exercise, your appetite will increase.
      6. Change gradually and consult a physician.
      7. Running shoes are not one size fits all.
      8. "Fat burns in a fire fueled by carbs" (don't go on 0 carb diets, you'll burn muscle mass before you burn fat.)

      Sensible portions at meals, avoid sugary foods and highly processed flour, eat balanced meals, err towards more fruit and green leafy vegetables, exercise for stress relief and burning calories.

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    20. Re:Bike to work by GeffDE · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the caloric content of food is measured by a bomb calorimeter, which simply burns the food until it is completely oxidized. To extract the maximum amount of energy, the body must do the same thing, which is what occurs through the metabolic pathway of glycolysis -> krebs cycle -> electron transport chain for sugars; beta-oxidation -> krebs cycle -> ETC for fats; and protease digestion -> reduction to pyruvate/acetyl CoA -> krebs cycle -> ETC for proteins. These pathways result in the food being broken down into water and carbon dioxide, the same end-products from the bomb calorimeter. In chemistry, the total energy derived from a chemical reaction (or set of chemical reactions) is given by the equation: Delta_Energy = Energy(in bonds of reactants) - Energy(in bonds of products). The body cannot extract more energy than this, and that is exactly what the bomb calorimeter is measuring. The caloric content of foods is based on the total amount of energy that can be derived from a food product.*

      Now, if our AC troll friend can derive more energy from food than the bomb calorimeter can, he is, quite literally, Mr. Fusion.



      * As such, it follows that people do not actually require 2000 kCal (on average) per day; however, that is how much energy needs to be in the food so that the ~35% efficient catabolic pathways can derive enough useful energy from the food to power the body. 35% efficiency is extremely high (the most efficient internal combustion engines get ~25-30%); it is the result of literally billions of years of evolution because deriving energy from a substrate is a requirement of life, so the whole complicated mess has been around from the beginning. Therefore, Nature has optimized the crap out of it. Unless Mr. Fusion up there has different catabolic pathways than the rest of life on earth there is no way that he could be that more efficient than everyone else.

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  2. Sex by sir_eccles · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's even more fun when you have an exercise partner.

    1. Re:Sex by kwabbles · · Score: 5, Funny

      The question was:

      "Do any Slashdotters have a regular workout routine that can be performed in the privacy of the home to stave off those pounds?"

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  3. Kayaking by Moray_Reef · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have to get out of the house, but to suit the introvert, you can go where most people can't. You also get to wear PFD as well as and a baggy dry suit to cover up the unsightlyness if you need it in your area.

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  4. Aerobics Necessary by MarkvW · · Score: 5, Informative

    You very much need aerobic exercise to supplement your muscular-oriented exercise. Aerobic exercise works the heart, lungs, and circulatory system--very critical subsystems.

    I'd recommend a treadmill or a bike with a trainer hooked up to it. Have a TV in front of you. After reading a couple books about it, use a heart rate monitor to keep from pushing too hard or too easy.

    Try to build up to one hour per day. Don't discontinue your calisthenics. Read about exercise.

  5. Left foot braking by mobby_6kl · · Score: 5, Funny

    This way my left leg/foot gets more exercise when driving an automatic, otherwise a heavy clutch does the trick.

  6. Re:Martial arts by Paradigm_Complex · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're cool enough to do in front of other people, no matter how bad you are, and you have something to show off to your friends.

    You've never been beatten up by a twelve year old girl, have you? Say, while testing for my yellow belt. Err, your yellow belt.

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  7. All Muscle Groups by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you've got the luxury of a huge amount of space, the only way you're going to come close to exercising all groups is via free weights.

    Multi exercise machines don't even come close (more on that later). Treadmills/stationary bikes are great for burning calories which'll do most of your weight loss goals but you're asking about all muscle groups. BOSU balls, steps, jump ropes are all more limited in application. The other great full body exercise, swimming, isn't really an option in the privacy of your own home unless you're rich enough to have a good sized pool.

    The problem with free weights, and this comes from being married to a physical therapist who's also an ACE certified personal trainer, is: You're doing it wrong.

    Don't feel bad. Just about everyone does. From the Navy guys I've watched prepping for their PRTs by holding a dumbell in one position and flapping their elbows like chickens to those who swing weights and let the momentum carry them through the weak spots to those who only really focus on a few core groups.

    This is what a good personal trainer will do for you (and, yes, I hate the idea of paying the meathead ones too). A good one will slow you down and perfect your form: meaning you're actually building the weak points not just swinging past them. A good one will start you on machines (really good for isolating the exact form you need but lousy at exercising all of the supporting groups) and then slowly move you over to free weights (really good at exercising a lot of supporting groups, lousy at teaching you good form). A good one will also teach you a whole range of exercises so you're not just bulking your biceps with no work on your triceps, strengthening abs without matching your lats, working on your upper body with no attention to your chicken legs (yes, you, 95% of guys in gyms).

    Look at it this way...

    How good of a coder would you be if you never learned from other people's code and never had anyone review yours? Sure, you might be a prodigy and do some cool trick most people have never thought of. More likely, you'll write messy, inefficient code that seems like it works while leaving memory leaks everywhere.

    In the same way, you might manage to learn everything about lifting from message boards and videos. More likely, you'll get a fair amount right but still be doing a few gastly things that it never occurs to you they're wrong.

    This is why we suck it up, venture in to a gym, find a good trainer (being willing to fire the bad ones until we get that one we vibe with), and learn the technique first... so we can then get it right in our splendid isolation.

  8. Re:Tai Chi by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tai Chi is essentially a form of Kung Fu slowed down to maximize the exercise potential and lessen the strain on your body.

    Once you have learned the essential 108 movements (its all one long cycle that puts you back where you are started, but is learned as 108 or so individual moves), you have a routine that will exercise pretty much every muscle in your body, looks cool, and requires no equipment to perform in, any stretch of ground/grass/parkinglot with a roughly 15x15 ft area free would probably do.

    Its been very popular in China for centuries and obviously works quite well, given the number of old people you see doing it in droves there.

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  9. Re:Well not quite, BUT... by spir0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    #3 - Find a local swimming pool, strap on a pair of rollerblades, get a bicycle.

    I actually tried this and found I worked up a sweat very quickly. But a word of warning -- when cycling with rollerblades in a swimming pool, stay in the shallow end. The deep can be treacherous and the bike will weigh you down like you wouldn't believe.

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  10. Exercise in front of people anyway by rickward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you're an introvert. Big deal! Exercise in front of people anyway.

    Look, no one's going to make fun of you for going to the gym; in fact, they are more likely to make fun of someone who needs exercise and doesn't go to the gym.

    The gym isn't Counter-Strike. No one cares if you're an exercise n00b. In fact, in my experience if you screw up at the gym, someone who knows what they're doing will show you the proper way to exercise so you don't injure yourself.

    If you can afford it, and if you really care about your fitness and attractiveness, there is no reason not to go to the gym.

  11. Hacker Diet? by bdcrazy · · Score: 5, Informative

    How come nobody has mentioned this one yet? I mean, come on! It has fitness tips as well as diet since you really need both to get the pounds off.

    Hacker Diet

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  12. Re:Well not quite, BUT... by Bwana+Geek · · Score: 5, Funny

    #5 - Once you take care of the "introverted" problem... get a girlfriend and do a lot of the world's #1 calorie-burning exercise.

    Your girlfriend makes you take her shopping too, eh? I don't care what she says -- the only thing getting thinner is my wallet.

  13. Thougths from an ex-overweight guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Until the start of 2008 I was about 90 lbs overweight and morbidly obese. Throughout the year I have lost 70 lbs, and I am on my way to having a healthy BMI.

    Here are my thoughts:

    You don't have to go to a gym, but it really helps to have access to nice array of equipment. Get over your fear of going to the gym. No one gives a crap about you --except for when you may be using equipment they want to use. If you want to avoid socializing, wear headphones or go during off hours. If you are afraid of the locker room (that's normal it takes sometime to get used to), then don't use it.

    Now on to to the technical stuff: You need to do a moderate to strenuous aerobic activity at least ~30 minutes a day 3 days a week (5 is better) for the rest of your life. I like to run, row, hike up mountains and occasionally use the elliptical machine. This is necessary for good cardiovascular health, and will help you in your later years. It will also as a side effect help you loose weight.

    You need to do some basic weight training. You seem to favor body weight exercises, keep doing push ups, try increasing the reps, or difficulty by doing them on an incline. Learn to do pullups/dips also. Finally buy a few dumbbells, going up to 35-40 lbs in weight. Learn to do basic curls, and some presses. Later on read some fitness books, or go to a couple of fitness blogs to learn how to do lifts and presses that work your big muscle groups --think squats, and dead lifts. Doing this won't make you a huge muscle guy (believe me the gains are not that great) but you'll be happy with your increased strength. It will also help to keep you from looking flabby.

    One more thing. The key to loosing weight is your diet. Good weight loss is slow, and steady. Cut 500-1000 calories from your diet, and you'll loose 2 lbs a week. However, you need to combine it with exercise or you'll have to keep "dieting" for the rest of your life to maintain your weight. That won't happen, so creating a nice caloric deficit through working out 3-5 times a day will help you maintain a healthy weight once you've reached it.

  14. Re:Well not quite, BUT... by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you're in it for the calories, you might as well jog(which burns 286 calories per half hour) as opposed to sex(which burns 173 per half hour).

    That's not very impressive sex.

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  16. Re:Well not quite, BUT... by kklein · · Score: 5, Funny

    #3 - Find a local swimming pool, strap on a pair of rollerblades, get a bicycle.

    I don't know what sport you're describing there, but it sounds pretty sweet.

  17. Let me translate that for us true nerds by infernalC · · Score: 5, Funny

    cosin() is more fun than sin()...

  18. Zen and the Art of Self-Resistence by nukey56 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Self-resistence isometric and isotonic training. Costs nothing, builds muscle efficiently, surprises your friends and balances your life. Also, you can do it while posting to /. from your basement ;)

  19. Re:Technical explanation; didn't rtfa. by fearofcarpet · · Score: 5, Informative

    To specifically address the question posed (what do we, the Slashdot readers, do to stay in shape):

    I eat vegetarian; low dairy, lots of beans, tempeh, and seasonal fruits/veggies. I bring my lunch to work every day which is cheaper and more nutritious than buying it.

    I lift weights three times a week for an hour emphasizing multi-join and body-weight-resistance exercises like pull-ups, push-ups, dips, incline and hanging crunches, etc.

    I bike to work whenever the weather permits.

    I run 5 km at least once a week (though bad knees sometimes demand that I go for a long walk instead).

    All of this combined yields a weekly time commitment of about 3.5 hours of exercise plus 90 minutes of biking to and from work (2 mi each way). I'm 185 lbs, 6'1", and I fill out my nerdy T-shirts in the shoulders, not the belly. I don't have six-pack, but I certainly don't have a gut. All around I feel very health even though the vast, vast, majority of my time is spent sitting on my ass in front of a computer at work.

    I don't care whose biology teacher told them what about which calories are burned by how many muscles, but my whopping 3.5 hours a week of exercise entitles me to all the beer I can drink and stuffing my face with burritos to my heart's content without gaining a fraction of an inch around my waste line (which hasn't changed in 15 years). And no, I'm not one of those skinny nerds than can eat Taco Bell every day and still look like a bent coat hanger.

    I think that the big trick to staying healthy is sticking with your routine, whatever it is. Don't just go on a diet and start running in response to feeling fat and out of shape. Biking to work is a great way to start and, depending on where you live, has the added benefit of being faster than driving.

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