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Brain Will Be Battlefield of the Future, Warns US

Anti-Globalism sends this except from the Guardian: "In a report commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency, leading scientists were asked to examine how a greater understanding of the brain over the next 20 years is likely to drive the development of new medicines and technologies. They found several areas in which progress could have a profound impact, including behaviour-altering drugs, scanners that can interpret a person's state of mind and devices capable of boosting senses such as hearing and vision. ...The report highlights one electronic technique, called transcranial direct current stimulation, which involves using electrical pulses to interfere with the firing of neurons in the brain and has been shown to delay a person's ability to tell a lie."

257 comments

  1. Brain battle by aedan · · Score: 5, Funny

    So George Bush has lost that one already.

    1. Re:Brain battle by guardiangod · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It seems that you have confused knowledge with intelligence.

    2. Re:Brain battle by alexborges · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, come on, laughing about bushes stupidity is always fun.

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    3. Re:Brain battle by Opportunist · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The only intelligence I could remotely attribute to GW is the military kind.

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    4. Re:Brain battle by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 5, Funny

      it seems neither do you, bitch ass cunt.

      Home alone on a Friday night slamming back several, eh? Either that, you're the first person that types with Tourette's syndrome.

    5. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      you know what's funny? how some jackass can post something bashing bush that's almost certainly going to start a flame war (the very definition of flamebait btw) and get modded "funny" for it just because he's bashing one particular person. but then someone else can post a comment bashing that first stupid poster and gets modded flamebait instead of funny. what a fucking awesome mod system we have.

    6. Re:Brain battle by Duhavid · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are missing the point: W is the perfect soldier of the future.

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    7. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only intelligence I could remotely attribute to GW is the military kind.

      Like invading the wrong country :P

    8. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, he shows up late and never actually fights.

    9. Re:Brain battle by wellingj · · Score: 1

      Are you saying Democracy works?

    10. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like implementing a policy of regime change that was first proposed by Clinton. Of course, since Shrillary had Bill's balls in her purse, Billy never had them to implement the policy himself.

    11. Re:Brain battle by pipingguy · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bush Derangement Syndrome does seem to be a valid affliction though.

    12. Re:Brain battle by zeylisse · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. He is immune.

    13. Re:Brain battle by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      This particular case looks like pretty flaky modding, but lots of people don't like to award flamebait mods for some topics, and that's not just GWB. I know personally, that if the subject is something like an ongoing murder trial (i.e. Hans Reiser), or the War in Georgia, or Abortion or something like that, I almost never award a flamebait. Politics and Religion in particular draw lots of strong comments out.
            I myself am not unbiased, and would probably award flamebaits to one side more than the other on any discussion of some lightning rod issues. I think the people who claim copyright violation = theft are simply wrong, and often feel personally insulted by posters who assume anyone who disagrees has never rationally considered the issue, or is automatically themselves a 'pirate', but I would never use a flamebait mod in a discussion where that claim was on topic.
            I have awarded flamebaits before when the discourse is a little less polarized, and it looked like there was some calm, rational discussion going on and the post actually triggered a flame war that might not have happened otherwise.
            Here, do you really think we can discuss the DoD developing mind altering drugs without half of us entering with a very strong opinion?

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    14. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brains.... brains... do you hear them coming? The future war will be all about fighting zombies!

    15. Re:Brain battle by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      The only intelligence I could remotely attribute to GW is the military kind.

      So the only kind of intelligence you can attribute to GWB is an oxymoron.
      What does that make him, I wonder...

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    16. Re:Brain battle by aedan · · Score: 1

      How about:

      "Brain and brain. What is brain?"

    17. Re:Brain battle by houghi · · Score: 1

      Home alone on a Friday night slamming back several, eh?

      You don't need the brewskies to get brain damage. That movie alone is enough. I don't even dare to think what happens if you watch two or (shrudder) three.

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    18. Re:Brain battle by dodecalogue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yeah but george bush has no brain LOLLOLOLOLOL oh man.. hahahhahaha good one.

    19. Re:Brain battle by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      That's a classic Star Trek reference, in case you youngsters don't get it.

      (And if memory serves me correctly, the line was actually, "Brain and again brain. What is brain?")

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    20. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      [Bush] knows a shitload more than some faggot who has nothing to do all day but toss off and fritter around slashdot.

      It's no problem if you worship Bush and think the holy truth comes out of his ass. Just be careful not to get splattered.

    21. Re:Brain battle by aedan · · Score: 1

      Memory Alpha has it as:

      "Brain and brain! What is brain?"
      - Kara

      Not one of my favourite episodes.

    22. Re:Brain battle by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I also noticed that the remastered versions of classic Trek change a lot of the visuals (booo, hissss) - why not the lines?

      Although, in this particular case, it could be that I'm remembering from the James Blish print adaptations (some of which did improve on the originals, and some of which pissed me off for changing the endings).

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    23. Re:Brain battle by aedan · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen the remastered versions.

      I did notice we are about to get remakes of The Day the Earth Stood Still and Pelham 123. Klaatu barada nikto.

    24. Re:Brain battle by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What does that make him, I wonder..

      Hmm... I wish I could draw, I'd have an idea for a rebus to answer that:

      (picture of a CIA intel officer) + (picture of a DNA) - (picture of an O2 molecule)

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    25. Re:Brain battle by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Home alone on a Friday night slamming back several, eh?

      You don't need the brewskies to get brain damage. That movie alone is enough. I don't even dare to think what happens if you watch two or (shrudder) three.

      Watch The Good Son instead of Home Alone 3.

      (No, I haven't yet watched The Bad Seed, but I plan to.)

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    26. Re:Brain battle by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I also noticed that the remastered versions of classic Trek change a lot of the visuals (booo, hissss)

      The only thing that really bothers me about the remastered visuals is that in the opening credits the Enterprise isn't shown flying in a big figure-8 at warp speed anymore. They change the background star pattern now each time the next credit appears. Originally the background starfield was stable, implying the ship was circling back out of shot and flying by the camera again several times.

      Also, it smears some of the stars behind the ship.

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    27. Re:Brain battle by kesuki · · Score: 1

      "what a fucking awesome mod system we have."

      I had a similar reaction both times bush was awarded the presidency. The big problem with 'democratic' systems is that ultimately, people are by and large complete idiots outside of whatever they've specialized in. if you don't specialize in assimilating data, and rejecting invalid data, it's very hard to keep ahead of disinformation, without trusting the opinion to someone else, who is supposedly doing this for you.

      Note: I was in a swing state, and helped my state swing against bush.

    28. Re:Brain battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All your Brain are belong to us!"

  2. Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet it also puts a hurting on your ability to tell the truth. Or tell anything.

    This stuff promises to get ugly, but any contractors that claim enough info to disriminate between connections firing during lies vs truth is overselling their tech.

    1. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, they've figured out what brainwaves are active during the lying process already, and it's more accurate than a polygraph. I saw it on Myth Busters so it must be true.

    2. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by db32 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The sales demonstrations certainly would be fun. Hook up the sales rep and then start asking questions about the product. :)

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    3. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by espressojim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the product works, then he tells the truth and you think the product works great. If the product doesn't work, then he lies and says the product works great.

      Hooking the salesman up proves nothing.

    4. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do my mod points expire 5 minutes before I read an actually insightful comment?

    5. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In a way, the brain has always been the battlefield. The ancient Chinese military expert Sun Tzu gives an example. On the first night, a general has his troops build 100,000 campfires. On the second night, they build 50,000 campfires. And on the third night, they build 20,000. Watching the fires on the horizon dwindle over three nights, the opposing general believes that the enemy forces are deserting, and so he marches into battle confident that he faces a small, demoralized army. He marches straight into an army 100,000 strong and is soundly defeated.

      Sun Tzu argued that you have to know your enemy in detail, but prevent your enemy from knowing you: pretend that you are weak where you are strong, and pretend that you are strong where you are weak. Information and deception have always been integral to warfare, and always will be. More modern examples include the Allies managing to trick Hitler into believing that they will invade at Calais, rather than Normandy, and Saddam Hussein pretending that his WMD programs are much stronger than they are (a ploy that backfired, in his case). But I'm not sure technology really changes this that much. It changes how we can collect and disseminate information, but at the end of the day, you need to have smart, educated, capable guys sifting through this information with their brains and giving good advice to their Commander-in-Chief... and a Commander-in-Chief with the brains to listen.

    6. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by db32 · · Score: 1

      If you can't tell when a sales guy is lying to you without a machine like this then nothing can help you anyways. The biggest hint is that their lips are moving.

      In all seriousness, I have NEVER dealt with a sales guy that could actually speak very intelligently about the product they are selling. The big difference is that some try to and that pretty much costs them the sale. The good ones will immediately get their technical folks on the phone. Then you know you are dealing with a real tech guy when you start asking sales related questions and they get that special tone of voice and explain that only those sales people know that kind of stuff. The best sales guys can get you anywhere in the company you could need to talk to at the drop of a hat, the sheisty ones try to answer all the questions themselves.

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    7. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by TechForensics · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Delaying a person's ability to tell a lie is only part of it. My wife, a neuropsychologist and former med school instructor tells me it has been shown that application of a magnetic field to one particular part of the brain makes the subject "aware of the presence of God", or gives him or her the experience of God's presence. Pardon the pun, but this is heady stuff.

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    8. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today that is not of any importance any longer. Most armies are matched, save for Turkey, Russia and USA.

      What matters today is Warfare 4.0, guerilla warfare. A conventional army has to use enormous amounts of resources to fight a 4th generation war. What worked yesterday does not today, you don't have a block of opponents following a demarcated plan from higher up.

    9. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by dword · · Score: 1, Insightful

      pretend that you are strong where you are weak

      This doesn't sound right to me ... If everyone would do it, attacks would be like:
      1)- General, the opposite forces look very strong!
      - Then don't worry, we'll beat their ass!
      or
      2)- General, the opposite forces look very weak!
      - Ok, let's get the hell out of here!
      The best way would be to simply act randomly. The best way to win is to confuse your enemy so that they never know what's going on.

      Saddam Hussein pretending that his WMD programs are much stronger than they are

      That's a good one. *Everyone* pretended that, I doubt Bush called Saddam one evening and Saddam bragged too much about it so Bush decided to take him down.

    10. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by lpq · · Score: 1

      >I bet it also puts a hurting on your ability to tell the truth. Or tell anything.
      >
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              Not exactly. They target the inhibition centers or the imagination system -- which has to maybe create the lie -- more a right brain than left brain activity, maybe? with magnetic waves which blunt that area's activity. Thus if you were to speak, it would be temporarily hard to access your imagination easily. Certainly not an exact science at this point, but results are mostly repeatable (probably more so in males who tend to localize function more than women, allowing for more precise targeting, but I'm not sure how accurate or reliable a tool it would be. I wouldn't bet a court case on it, but it might psyche out a confession.

      > This stuff promises to get ugly, but any contractors that claim enough info to disriminate between connections
      > firing during lies vs truth is overselling their tech.
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                I thought fMRI's could pretty much pinpoint use of recall areas, or creative area -- tending to be different locations of the brain and fairly consistent -- especially within the same brain (allowing calibration)?

      -l

    11. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer. An old wisdom.

      Brains are what makes humans to be humans, and Sun Tzu is still one of the greatest teachers for not only war, but also business and in other areas of life.

      "Brain Will Be Battlefield of the Future, Warns US", sounds more like brain washing, mind control and stuff like that. Just a eye catcher headline, for nothing new.

    12. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at the end of the day, you need to have smart, educated, capable guys sifting through this information with their brains and giving good advice to their Commander-in-Chief... and a Commander-in-Chief with the brains to listen.

      Concerning the competent Commander-in-Chief, how could such an oxymoron (pun intended) possibly evolve?

    13. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way, the brain has always been the battlefield.

      I know a more modern expert who disagrees and gives a better example.

    14. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when they don't know they're lying?

    15. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by vertinox · · Score: 1

      I bet it also puts a hurting on your ability to tell the truth. Or tell anything.

      Most westerners are under the misconception that truth equals immutable facts, but in truth its really what the person believes in. That is why torture doesn't work because the person maybe believe in something that has no factual basis and is willing to change their opinion on that.

      You can create drugs to make people more talkative and trusting, but doesn't mean what they are saying is a fact. Simply that they believe it to be true.

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    16. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Brains which produce honour and integrity is what makes real humans. Blind obedient thugs are just animals. The best soldiers are what they always have been, those with the courage to overcome their fear, those with the discipline to control their emotions and those who really do believe that honour and integrity is what you take with you onto the battlefield and keep with you afterwards, not just a empty motto to hide torture, murder and rape.

      Drugs or other devices will achieve none of these, they will just create a military force they you can no longer trust at home, or with members of the opposite sex, or to interact with innocent citizens of another country. A military force to be ashamed of, ones that spends more time hiding it;s misdeeds than investigating them and prosecuting the offenders.

      Then again compulsory mind control drugs for politicians so that can not tell a lie, might be just the thing, hell, administered the world over and the idiots wont be able to bull shit us into another war and we wont need a military, cool ;).

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    17. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by db32 · · Score: 1

      When you strip away the typical anti-Bush diatribe that goes along with any mention of Iraq it actually makes sense. Iraq had every reason to pretend to have a large WMD program. Iran hated them, Saudis didn't like them, Israel hated them. Posturing about having a WMD program (like Iran is doing now) is how they maintained their security when all of their neighbors wanted to attack them. If Iraq DID have WMDs then attacking them would have been a very high risk thing.

      Bush used Iraqs posturing as justification. Iraq really had precious little choice in the matter. If Iraq opened up and said "see we have nothing" then it would have been Iran or Saudi or Israel taking the first swing at them. In which case there wouldn't be much sympathy or outcry about it (especially if it was Saudi or Iran). However, if they close up and refuse inspections it would only be a matter of time before the crazy cowboy would fire the first shot at them. Now it is big bad America picking on little old Iraq and the world goes crazy. Every dumb ass bleeding heart asshat comes out crying. I don't think we should be in Iraq, not our damned problem, but the idea that they were better off under that psychotic murderous dictator is laughable. I think the pretense for going to Iraq was a load of horseshit, but the UN was corrupt as hell and instead of attempting to resolve it peacefully was fucking the people of Iraq while making lucrative deals with a psychofuck dictator.

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    18. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      No, you ask him which road the other guy would tell you to go.

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    19. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and Saddam Hussein pretending that his WMD programs are much stronger than they are (a ploy that backfired, in his case).

      er, it wasn't that long ago, while Saddam definitely wasn't one of the nicest of guys in the world, he did directly say that there were no WMD's. Everything else was a beat up on our side where they lied so much that they ended out believing their own lies.

      you need to have smart, educated, capable guys sifting through this information with their brains and giving good advice to their Commander-in-Chief... and a Commander-in-Chief with the brains to listen.

      And then we have the CIA which directly lied for political expediency and a commander-in-chief with no brains

      No wonder Iraq is such a mess

    20. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does it also work to detect when people lie about failing to recall or remember something? Congress would love-fear that.

      Yes, I meant a hyphen, not a slash.

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    22. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Information and deception have always been integral to warfare, and always will be. More modern examples include the Allies managing to trick Hitler into believing that they will invade at Calais, rather than Normandy

      And tricking the Shadows and the Vorlons into a confrontation at Coriana 6.

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    23. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by initialE · · Score: 1

      I remember the strong naval presence in the first gulf war diverted alot of iraqi troops. Whereas nobody believes that they were strong enough to fight the allied forces, it is true that it saved at least many iraqi lives, simply by putting them in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    24. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

      Read Pinker's 'Blank Slate'. The chapter on violence has enough evidence to show that 'honour' is one of those human traits that makes some men 'blind, obedient thugs'. So no. Honour won't save you from bad behaviour in war.

    25. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by kesuki · · Score: 1

      let's be real here, even if it were possible to create a safe, effective drug that can block the ability to lie, politicians are going to be the very last people on the planet to be dosed with it, because they have the bulk of the power to make such things illegal. to label people creating these things in bulk as 'terrorists' and with the military and police power to silence the masses should information about this be disseminated.

    26. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ask him about the price

    27. Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those who really do believe that honour and integrity is what you take with you onto the battlefield and keep with you afterwards, not just a empty motto to hide torture, murder and rape.

      Personally, I'd rather the enemy were shooting at our murderers and rapists. Not our intelligent an honorable.

  3. A new tech field just opened up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Time to start working on improving tinfoil hat technology!
    We'll make millions!

    1. Re:A new tech field just opened up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Amusing, but for the fact that the brain has been the "battlefield", at least in the US, for the last few decades.

      Go read the Wikipedia entry on Frank Luskin, the Republican pollster, to see what I mean.

      The people Luskin works for, and the people they work for, and the media that works for them, are the enemy on this battlefield. It's taken a while for us to realize that. And the playing field is anything but even, but when I read about things like TED, I find that we've got a few good minds on our side, too.

      The biggest weapon they're pointing at us right now could be neutralized if we would just pass a fucking Net Neutrality law.

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    2. Re:A new tech field just opened up by alexborges · · Score: 1

      No no no... this is the fu-tu-re:

      We'll make millions of billions!

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    3. Re:A new tech field just opened up by mrgodzilla · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you mean Frank Luntz.

    4. Re:A new tech field just opened up by mikiN · · Score: 1

      The biggest weapon they're pointing at us right now could be neutralized if we would just pass a fucking Net Neutrality law.

      That's not the most dangerous weapon. That weapon can be neutralized (at least temporatily) with a TV-B-Gone, or, failing that, by pulling its power plug.

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    5. Re:A new tech field just opened up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I went to Wikipedia and looked up the entry for Frank Luskin which said ...

      There is no page titled "Frank Luskin".

      Oh, I see what you mean. He is goooood, he is verrrrry good!

    6. Re:A new tech field just opened up by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      jay for scientists without a conscience. I always wonder how big the pile of money or the amount of glory would be for me to change sides.

      I like to think I'd rather die than to help projects such as these along, but that's on the days I have food on the table (which fortunately is most of them).

      News like this is really making me wish for some kind of ethics oversight for science in general, not just for medicine.

      The excuse that there will always be somebody to do the work and that's why you might as well do it doesn't really cut it for me.

    7. Re:A new tech field just opened up by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      no tv in this house. But it seems like more and more of the tv crap is making its way in through my net connection.

    8. Re:A new tech field just opened up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he meant Snake Plissken.

    9. Re:A new tech field just opened up by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh please. The media is patriotic, sensationalistic, and irresponsible, but it's not some secret cabal trying to keep the poor proles in line.

      It's no surprise, then, then you would totally get Frank Luntz' name wrong, and even less of a surprise that you somehow managed to segue into net neutrality (which has almost nothing to do with the media being crap, no matter what you want to think).

    10. Re:A new tech field just opened up by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Yeah principles are expensive, but why do you think that people who don't agree with you don't have a conscience? - Have you ever thought their concience may be based on different principles?

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    11. Re:A new tech field just opened up by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      Thats certainly possible. But I've been witness several times of people in my surroudings that seem to be totally fascinated by technology and they would do anything to be allowed to 'play', not giving a seconds thought to the consequences of their actions.

    12. Re:A new tech field just opened up by 32771 · · Score: 1

      This is nothing new I guess, but thanks alerting me to it:

      http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/djg7/index.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Language

      It is a refinement though. Actually what makes me not so much afraid about this kind of linguistical manipulation is the possibility that I can make a conscious effort against falling for it.

      The problem is the people who don't make the extra effort shovelling out the bullshit. Frankly said, if you are living in the upper/middle class you are dependent on the people who support your specialized lifestyle so please make sure they don't mistake the latrine propaganda for anything but.

      Regarding that other thing involving technology, where would you draw the line?

      All those fancy new technologies will -according to the article- yield painless results. ... "The concept of torture could also be altered by products in this market. It is possible that some day there could be a technique developed to extract information from a prisoner that does not have any lasting side effects," the report states. ...

      So torture was only a bad thing because to be effective you had to actually hurt someone?

      To remember A.C.Clarke, would you wear a scull cap or subject your fellow citizens to it? I mean face it, would you allow anyone without one to use your nuclear powered flying car or other high powered/highly potent house hold appliances like that selfreplicating swarm of nanites for weed control? Apart from those examples just imagine what we could achieve.

      Scientists seem already hell bent on getting rid of this concept of free will anyway, so why bother. I mean I mentioned this responsibility/dependency for/on your fellow citizens before, so why not do the ultimate thing and become part of some sort of hive?

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    13. Re:A new tech field just opened up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I shouldn't try to talk on the phone and post at the same time.

      Especially when I'm trying to get down a bet on a 5-event Olympics parlay.

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to get the over-under on a table tennis match?

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    14. Re:A new tech field just opened up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But it seems like more and more of the tv crap is making its way in through my net connection.

      God bless your insight.

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    15. Re:A new tech field just opened up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      but it's not some secret cabal trying to keep the poor proles in line.

      By "in line" do you mean "working and buying"?

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  4. The system is mine! by Red+Samurai · · Score: 3, Funny

    *Said in my best Revolver Ocelot impersonation*

    AC-tivate it!!

    1. Re:The system is mine! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      The Metal Gear Solid 4 synopsis is the most accurate prediction of what that kind of crap will lead to, though they were all controlled by nanomachines.

    2. Re:The system is mine! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Man, I hope not. Bush-Blair is one thing, but if their successors spend 90 minutes out of every 5 hours talking about how the war economy leads to a proxy battle between nanonmachines for green collars to the E-I-E-I-O, I'm going to kill myself.

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    3. Re:The system is mine! by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1

      *places finger to head*

      "BANG!"

  5. Semper Psi by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The Corps is mother, the Corps is father."

    Hey, we've already got our own homegrown versions of the Nightwatch, so why not go the rest of the way?

    1. Re:Semper Psi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm this reminds me of Manchurian Candidate

    2. Re:Semper Psi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      In many ways, the political events in JMS's Babylon 5 mirror those in the real world. It took about four years between an initial terror attack on EarthGov to the endgame of a nearly-omnipotent President Clark, complete with a Nightwatch "see something, say something" community police force modeled after the German Gauletiers of WW2.

      The interrogation of Sheridan in the episode Intersections in Real Time was based on practices documented in real-world Western intel manuals. The practices shown in that were illegal for Americans to perform in the late 90s, but were legal when performed by non-Americans, so long as any Americans involved had plausible deniability. That little bit of dancing around the rules has since been rendered moot; all of the practices in the episode have since been legalized and defined down to "aggressive interrogation", because they fall short of the post-9/11 era's legal redefintion of the word "torture".

      A modern-day Psi Corps, as a group of elite mind warriors, comparable to the elite physical warriors of the Marine Corps, is merely one more hole in the puzzle that needs to be filled.

      Problem with the Psi Corps is... once you've instituted one, how sure are you that you can control it? The Marine Corps has 200+ years of tradition behind it; its job is to execute policy, not make policy, regardless of an individual Marine's opinion of a policy, he can be depended on to carry it out.

      A Psi Corps... being in the persuasion business, would face very strong temptatio---never mind. I was wrong. Relax. Fund the Corps. Trust the Corps. The Corps is your friend.

    3. Re:Semper Psi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Corps is mother, the Corps is father."

      Hey, we've already got our own homegrown versions of the Nightwatch, so why not go the rest of the way?

      hahaha, babylon 5 forever! *high five*

    4. Re:Semper Psi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Corps is mother, the Corps is father."

      ...and the corpse is just a kid.

  6. electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Funny

    "called transcranial direct current stimulation, which involves using electrical pulses to interfere with the firing of neurons in the brain and has been shown to delay a person's ability to tell a lie"

    Why yes, if I'm being electrocuted, I 'm pretty sure it will delay the ability to think coherently, let alone lie.

    Sheesh, why don't they just call it electrocution and call it a day here? I'm sure it was just accidental that they only tested the lie part.

    1. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It uses very small currents compared to what most people would consider to be electrocution. It may find theraputic uses, but like so many other technologies apparantly we're going to use it for evil as well.

    2. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Question 1:

      Transcranial direct current stimulation is to electrocution as enhanced interrogation is to:

      a. massage therapy
      b. breakfast
      c. job interview
      d. toture

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    3. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by snowraver1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Obvoiusly d. is supposted to be torture...

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    4. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by sgage · · Score: 1

      Like all other technologies.

    5. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by whong09 · · Score: 1

      e. Waterboarding

    6. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you sure that's not a sport? ;-)

    7. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by joocemann · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I can't believe this has a score of 3, and 'interesting'.

      Surely it is a bit more complex and different than the regular 'electrocution' that Poetmatt suggests. This is more of an ignorant response than any valid observation of what is being discussed.

      mod it down. the post is 'funny' at best.

    8. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn it! I picked (c) Job Interview because I didn't know what "toture" was.

      You ass, now I'm not going to get into Harvard because of your typo!

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    9. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by poetmatt · · Score: 0

      Well then, Mr. "this is ignorant", do you have any technical information based off what is being done here?

      If you look at the wording, direct current (DC) would indeed mean electrocution. Any form of electricity whether temporary or constant that is applied to someone, is electrocution. Remember, even a 3 volt Direct Current can be fatal. If this isn't potentially fatal, tell that to the people who make tasers. Clearly they don't make things fatal either, eh?
      Is reading comprehension difficult for you?

      Mod yourself down. Your post is pointless, at best.

    10. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by theralfinator · · Score: 1

      Why are you going on about a 3V current? Isn't the fatality of electricity related to the Amperage?

    11. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      I may or may not be using the proper terminology, as it has been a while. From reading up here, yeah, I am.

      http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html might be a good reference though. Basically as it says and I had meant to say, its the low powered shocks that are potentially more dangerous than the higher powered.

    12. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Malevolyn · · Score: 1

      Mod yourself down. Your post is pointless, at best.

      You should know he can't do that!

      Unless it's a plan within a plan and you know him modding himself down will waste a mod point AND delete his post... But then again you can't mod yourself, so just mod me down for offtopic, instead. =(

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    13. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is completely incorrect. You know nothing of the procedure.

    14. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Why yes, if I'm being electrocuted, I 'm pretty sure it will delay the ability to think coherently, let alone lie.

      Sheesh, why don't they just call it electrocution and call it a day here? I'm sure it was just accidental that they only tested the lie part.

      Actually, in many tDCS experiments a subject can't even tell that the device is turned on. It uses currents which are quite low, typically 1-2 milliamps. For comparison, electroshock therapy typically uses 800 milliamps.

    15. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transcranial direct current stimulation is to electrocution as enhanced interrogation is to:

      d. toture

      Obviously, the answer is "d", because it's not "torture".

      No, Senator, I did not torture the man. I was never ordered to torture the man. To the best of my knowledge, at no time have Americans in the Psi Corps ever tortured anyone.

      (Man, it's a good thing this Senator's only talking about torture, and that he doesn't know enough to ask me about toture, nor does he care to read between the lines and ask me about about the activities of non-Americans in the Psi Corps, or about the activities Americans not-in-the-Psi-Corps, but hey, if he doesn't know enough to ask the right questions about toture, but is instead going to ramble on about torture, well then, I don't have to talk about toture, and I can deny torture all day and still be true to my oath! Man, even Alberto "the programme you are asking me about didn't wiretap anyone illegally. I am not authorized to discuss other programmes." Gonzalez must be absolutely green with envy at this testimony! :)

    16. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I should also add that tDCS has been experimentally shown to boost working memory, memory consolidation during sleep, and verbal fluency. Is that what you would expect from outright electrocution?

    17. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually less funny than you think. Educational Testing Services (ETS) is the company that holds and grades all of those standardized tests. They are 100% a monopoly, "non-profit" but a monopoly no less. It gets very interesting if you look a little closer at the company and who runs it.

    18. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [X] e) All of the above.

      It is like having a massage therapy before breakfast before going to a job interview for toture whatever that is. (spelling from parent)

    19. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      6 milliamps to stop the heart or whatever. If you haven't got enough resistance and enough amps to supply then your toast. (Far as i can tell anyway)

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    20. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Because that would be wrong. Electrocution does make it very hard to speak, because electrocution, by definition, results in death. "Usage may vary" indeed.

    21. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Actually you are completely trolling. The technique uses currents in the order of 1-2 mA.

    22. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c. job interview
      d. toture

      (Ignoring the type) Why'd you list the same item twice?

      *ducks*

    23. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I typoed typo -.-;;

    24. Re:electricuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvoiusly d. is supposted to be torture...

      supposted, v. Supposed in a post, esp. on /.

  7. Hasn't it already been the battlefield? by Puffy+Director+Pants · · Score: 1

    Why else did They Save Hitler's Brain???

    1. Re:Hasn't it already been the battlefield? by philspear · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know about that, but it seems to me that it has already been on the battlefield. You shoot the enemy in the head, you've effectively "interfered with the firing of neurons in the brain."

    2. Re:Hasn't it already been the battlefield? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And as to fancy drugs, just tranq 'em senseless. They'll be just as out of it, and no need to develop fancy drugs that can be used against your own civilians...

      Oh. Wait.....

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    3. Re:Hasn't it already been the battlefield? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, you intersect the neurons with neutrons.

  8. The Big Brain am winning again! I am the greetest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I am leaving Earth for no raisin!

  9. Ah by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    So this is what they meant by "hearts and minds".

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    1. Re:Ah by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Once we've gotten their minds, it's their sweet, delicious human hearts that we'll be after.

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  10. You hear that Samus? by narcberry · · Score: 0

    We've been saying it for years. Heck, just type Justin Bailey to confirm it. (Don't forget the dashes you noob)

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  11. Some battlefields ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... appear as though both sides have gone to tactical nukes early in the war.

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  12. Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" control by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The temptation will be too great. Crowd control? Voter control? Don't like the price of fuel? Easy. A way will be found to change your mind.

    At what price? Chemical weapons developed in the 1950s-1980s cost billions to destroy. Are mind-control weapons going to be equally as horrible? Historical trends would say so.

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  13. Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Thiez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    > On the battlefield, bullets may be replaced with "pharmacological land mines" that release drugs to incapacitate soldiers on contact

    How likely is that? Someone will invent a drug to make you immune to incapacitating drugs, and we'll go back to bullets and explosions.

    > "The concept of torture could also be altered by products in this market. It is possible that some day there could be a technique developed to extract information from a prisoner that does not have any lasting side effects," the report states.

    I hope not. I imagine the police could give you the stuff and ask you if you ever commited any crimes. It'll be a routine thing, just like taking your fingerprint and DNA and firstborn, when you are arrested.

    > "In the intelligence community, there is an extremely small number of people who understand the science and without that it's going to be impossible to predict surprises. This is a black hole that needs to be filled with light," Green told the Guardian.

    There's a dumb analogy if I ever saw one. Let's shine light on the black hole!

    > The technologies will one day have applications in counter-terrorism and crime-fighting. The report says brain imaging will not improve sufficiently in the next 20 years to read peoples' intentions from afar and spot criminals before they act, but it might be good enough to help identify people at a checkpoint or counter who are afraid or anxious.

    Do we really need a brainscan for that, though? People who are afraid or anxious are easy to spot, and being afraid or anxious hardly makes you a criminal.

    > "We're not going to be reading minds at a distance, but that doesn't mean we can't detect gross changes in anxiety or fear, and then subsequently talk to those individuals to see what's upsetting them," Green said.

    Will that talk involve one of those lie-detector brainscan-things?

    > The development of advanced surveillance techniques, such as cameras that can spot fearful expressions on people's faces, could lead to some inventive ways to fool them, the report adds, such as Botox injections to relax facial muscles.

    Dude, enough about anxious people alright. People are afraid and nervous all the time about all sorts of things, and the thought that some asshole security guy is going to detect that with some sort of remote brainscan and invite them to have a chat will only make that worse. How many of these people will turn out to be innocent? Many.

    1. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Silly optimist. I assure you that we'll take all necessary care to make sure that nobody "turns out to be innocent".

    2. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who are afraid or anxious are easy to spot, and being afraid or anxious hardly makes you a criminal.

      Exactly. It is the cool, collected ones you have to worry about.

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    3. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by geeknado · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, exactly. A well coached individual isn't going to be anxious when they're executing a plan. "Stage Fright" happens /before/ you go on-stage. Once you're there, especially if things are going smoothly, you aren't nervy, you're just executing. I'd imagine that the same is true of a professional operative of any kind-- nervous until go time, cool once you're moving, maybe /after/ you're done. IMO, therefore, you're going to catch the amateurs, not the ones that you really care about.

    4. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by cryptoluddite · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How likely is that? Someone will invent a drug to make you immune to incapacitating drugs, and we'll go back to bullets and explosions.

      It'll be like Syndicate where some guy at a computer jacks up your squad's adrenaline levels and compels you to run around in leather trenchcoats killing people and blowing up vehicles, not even feeling the machine gun fire and flamethrower blasts the rival squads are hitting you with. And a cyberpunk background track pounds in your head to set the mood.

      In other words... freakin' awesome.

    5. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that they're getting folks stoned to make them into suicide bombers. Score one for hamas, for that not being published

    6. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [quote]How likely is that? Someone will invent a drug to make you immune to incapacitating drugs, and we'll go back to bullets and explosions.[/quote]

      The people who we go to war with wouldn't be able to afford such drugs. And if they could, we'd just embargo them until they couldn't, then invade.

    7. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Caraig · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, Operation: Mindcrime.

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    8. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      I think your post is discriminatory against truly cool, non-brainwashed good guys like myself.

    9. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they had a drug called pcp that did that years ago...

    10. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by sdpuppy · · Score: 1

      I hope not. I imagine the police could give you the stuff and ask you if you ever commited any crimes. It'll be a routine thing, just like taking your fingerprint and DNA and firstborn, when you are arrested.

      ...I think many people who commit crimes would answer honestly (in their mind) that they did not. I think the thing will show that you're lying only if you think that you're lying. Many criminals have some rational for what they do .

    11. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Zirnike · · Score: 1

      "I hope not. I imagine the police could give you the stuff and ask you if you ever committed any crimes. It'll be a routine thing, just like taking your fingerprint and DNA and firstborn, when you are arrested."

      You'd have to be REAL careful with that. For example, if someone asked me that, I could say no, I haven't committed any crimes. Because I don't consider speeding to keep up with traffic, not coming to a COMPLETE stop at a stop sign at 3:00 in the morning on a weekday, etc. to be crimes. Even if I did do something 'serious' (heh) like smoke pot, I'd still be able to say, without lying, that I committed no crime. After all, I didn't commit anything I consider a crime.

      On the other hand, suppose a person goes to a prostitute in Nevada, where it's legal, but is guilty about it. She could say she never committed a crime, truthfully... And still get 'caught'. A lot of people consider adultery a crime, but in most states, it's not. Same thing.

      And it gets even worse when you look at the way I sometimes answer questions (I don't lie, except to people who won't take 'I'm not telling you that' for an answer)... Example: Suppose I had a terminal disease. Someone asks, "How are you doing?" - response: "Nothing you should be worrying about." That's directly true... Nothing they can do, so they shouldn't be worrying. Would they worry? Probably, but that is NOT what I said. English is way too mutable for someone like me, who has to translate visual thinking into 'normal' speech before saying anything, anyway. And anyone could train themselves to do it given the motivation and some practice. It's really the same principle as the first bit of the comment, just more generalized. Don't lie, just answer the question they asked instead of the one they meant. Or vice versa. Whichever is more in your favor.

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    12. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      People who are afraid or anxious are easy to spot, and being afraid or anxious hardly makes you a criminal.
      Exactly. It is the cool, collected ones you have to worry about.

      Oh, great. So if next time I get suspected of FSM-knows-what just because I don't get excited while I travel (I generally take a book or two to read and don't tend to fret much), I'll know who to thank.

      Then again, I'm not exactly collected... aloof would describe me better.
      Maybe the terrorists will learn that aloofness can get them farther than cool; just like nobody stops a man with a clipboard, nobody bothers a traveler reading a book.
      Though a towel is still recommended.

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    13. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Besides, that method would excuse people who do not know the law, and discriminate against people that do.
      If you do not know the law, you can with all honesty say that you committed no crime. If you do, the very knowledge that something is illegal will affect your results on such tests.

      All in all, this is yet another attack on intelligent and educated people.
      It pays so much more to be a stupid, uneducated slob. Maybe the only defense is a lobotomy. Please sign me up for two, just in case the first one doesn't work.

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    14. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by geeknado · · Score: 1

      Welcome to /. :)

    15. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

      People who are afraid or anxious are easy to spot, and being afraid or anxious hardly makes you a criminal.
      Exactly. It is the cool, collected ones you have to worry about.


      Then I need you all to know that I'm anxious right now... so anxious I jumped when my wife just handed me a Caramello Koala, so anxious that I in fact ATE the Caramello Koala OK!!??!

      There are plenty of other reasons people are anxious you know! Like, is my tinfoil hat working, are the Nargals going to steal my Caramello Koala... oh, I forgot, I already ate that. One more thing: stop looking at me like that!

    16. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Okay. You need to calm down. Shhh... calm... peace...

      Now I need you to send me a crate of those Caramello Koalas, because we don't have them up here in the Great White North, and they sound absolutely delicious.

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    17. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

      You just justified my whole day of browsing /., thank you.

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    18. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an anxiety disorder. Does this make me a criminal or a threat? On the other hand, a person with a mental disorder who feels no fear or has no morals would pass the test with flying colors.

    19. Re:Kit Green is afraid of anxious people. by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged."

      - Cardinal Richelieu

  14. Makes sense by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone recently diagnosed with a neurological condition, given drugs to treat it, given drugs to deal with the side effects, and now am on drugs to treat my psychological reaction to it, I've seen first hand how certain drugs can alter your mood and even change your perspective.

    One drug they have me on makes it impossible for me to get upset about anything. If we could isolate what it is that makes the brain do that, put it into an airborne form and spray it over an enemy, then we could simply march in and say "We are taking your land, your government and your freedom", and their response would be (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it".

    All without firing a shot.

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    1. Re:Makes sense by Shados · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, I knew about drugs being able to totally flip over someone's personality, but I wasn't aware of that one. How is it called? Seriously messed up though... Once you stop taking the drug, can you then get upset about things that happened while you were on it?

    2. Re:Makes sense by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One drug they have me on makes it impossible for me to get upset about anything. If we could isolate what it is that makes the brain do that, put it into an airborne form and spray it over an enemy, then we could simply march in and say "We are taking your land, your government and your freedom", and their response would be (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it".

      All without firing a shot.


      But we already have that. It's called television.

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    3. Re:Makes sense by noidentity · · Score: 1

      If we could isolate what it is that makes the brain do that, put it into an airborne form and spray it over an enemy, then we could simply march in and say "We are taking your land, your government and your freedom", and their response would be (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it".

      Welcome to the U.S, and please enjoy your stay.

    4. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Miranda.

    5. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now think about this. What if you could orchestrate a massive assault on human senses globally? Via poor diet, polluted air, polluted water, constant exposure to toxic chemicals, and depleted food so that the body never gets proper nutrition, endless distractions, toys and stage shows beamed at them in a global media web. Constantly assaulted with fear and negative messages. And then when the sick people go to the experts for help they feed them more toxic chemicals to make them even sicker and weaker all the while telling them that it's for their own benefit and it will make the feel better.

      After a while people might become dull and apathetic. And if someone wanted to take over or do unethical things, steal all your money, hey while were imagining things, maybe even take over the planet... the people might be so sick and exhausted that they may do something similar (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it"

    6. Re:Makes sense by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      Sounds a bit like marijuana or just like when you're really drunk. In both states it's fairly hard to get upset about something (or well, to get upset about the right things).

      Having the "upset blockade" without the other side-effects of the aforementioned drugs does indeed sound scary, though. Although I wonder a bit how you even know what things you "should have been upset" about. Do you realize it after the drug fades?

    7. Re:Makes sense by Dreadneck · · Score: 1

      One drug they have me on makes it impossible for me to get upset about anything. If we could isolate what it is that makes the brain do that, put it into an airborne form and spray it over an enemy, then we could simply march in and say "We are taking your land, your government and your freedom", and their response would be (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it".

      All without firing a shot.

      Just because you're lucky enough to have an Rx for sweet mary jane doesn't mean you have to rub it in our faces... sheesh ~

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    8. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we could isolate what it is that makes the brain do that, put it into an airborne form and spray it over an enemy, then we could simply march in and say "We are taking your land, your government and your freedom", and their response would be (in a semi-zombie state) "Oh. Okay. I hope you enjoy it".

      All without firing a shot.

      Is that worse than killing them, or killing their families, or destroying their homes and livelihoods? Maybe it is, but I imagine there are more than a few people in the world who would accept that if they could have their children back.

  15. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by plutoXL · · Score: 5, Funny

    They will not be horrible. You will learn to like them.

  16. d00m! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the love of god and all that is holy, we are d00med

  17. 20 Years? by taustin · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, in 20 years, we'll have various forms of mind control, so we can force immortal (available in 20 years) enemy soldiers to steal the (available in 20 years) fusion powered (available in 20 years) flying cars (available in 20 years) and attack the space elevator (available in 20 years) that supplies our permanent colonies on the moon (available in 20 years)?

    The future's looking bright!

    1. Re:20 Years? by dn15 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not just that -- 2028 will be the year of the Linux desktop too!

    2. Re:20 Years? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      don't worry, mind control got hit with the new 10 second cap several patches ago.

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    3. Re:20 Years? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Who ever knew that 1960s sci-fi would get it so right?

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    4. Re:20 Years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in 20 years, we'll have various forms of mind control, so we can force immortal (available in 20 years) enemy soldiers to steal the (available in 20 years) fusion powered (available in 20 years) flying cars (available in 20 years) and attack the space elevator (available in 20 years) that supplies our permanent colonies on the moon (available in 20 years)?

      Hey. Just because you've got a time machine and dropped back to visit us in 2008 doesn't mean you get a free pass. If you're gonna post Duke Nukem Forver spoilers, you still owe us a spoiler warning.

    5. Re:20 Years? by dword · · Score: 1

      Who the hell modded you funny? Sarcasm sometimes makes interesting/insightful point in a funny way, people! The P made an excellent point: if you read all the /. articles you'll find that everything that can be invented will be invented and used within the next 20 years.

    6. Re:20 Years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then we will celebrate our progress by playing Duke Nukem Forever on our quantum computers.

  18. Transmet Reference by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I haven't worked without insurance since that time the Red Catholics dropped the auto-cannibalism meme on Karel Square..."

  19. Training by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    From TFA:

    On the battlefield, bullets may be replaced with "pharmacological land mines" that release drugs to incapacitate soldiers on contact, ....

    Fortunately, our youth appear to have gotten a head start at familiarizing themselves with the effects of such drugs and the training necessary to deal with such tactics.

    Imagine the dismay of an enemy that, when interrogating a prisoner using extreme methods is answered every time with,

    "Dave's not here."

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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude where's my car?

    2. Re:Training by wisty · · Score: 1

      Vaporized LSD would work for that, in a large number of the soldiers it hits. There might be a few who have 'adverse reactions' though....

  20. Innocent? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > How many of these people will turn out to be innocent? Many.

    What do you mean by "innocent"? I'm pretty sure you'll find that everyone subjected to police scrutiny with devices like that will be found guilty of something.

  21. Some am I the only one... by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

    That had this: Veteran of the Psychic Wars - Blue Oyster Cult http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dnrd2xf5DIlU run through their head when they read the headline?

    --
    The U.S. really needs an English to Wisdom dictionary.
    1. Re:Some am I the only one... by darkstar949 · · Score: 1

      I was actually thinking of Ghost in the Shell myself.

  22. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What bothers me most is that the figure of speach, "changing your mind", will become quite literally.

    Freedom of speech? Our problem will be freedom of will.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  23. in ur ur brain by jaguth · · Score: 0

    i'm in ur brain
    haxoring ur megahurtz

  24. Yay, another orwellian "candidate screening" prog. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    scanners that can interpret a person's state of mind

    yay, now as soon as you walk in the door: "i'm sorry, but you don't meet our requirements for cookie-cutter-state-of-mind-x, good luck getting hired elsewhere, but it's now a 'standard practice' in the industry, and we make money selling data about this scan"

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  25. State Secrets by QuantumFlux · · Score: 1

    Oh man, CIA is gonna be so pissed that DIA is givin' away all their mind-control secrets!

  26. Re:Yay, another orwellian "candidate screening" pr by maxume · · Score: 1

    If the majority of a society joins in, who the fuck cares about being part of that society, and if the majority doesn't join in, then it isn't so much of a problem.

    --
    Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
  27. So. The US is conducting Brain experiments? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    Just who are they conducting them on?

    Is this even legal?

    What is to stop them from controlling us all?

    --
    They're using their grammar skills there.
  28. Phillip K. Dick saw this by thermian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Go buy yourself a copy of 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'.

    You'll find that control of the mind, and thus the population through mood adjustment on demand, and communal broadcast 'hallucination', play a big part.

    I haven't described it perfectly, don't want to ruin the book. Suffice it to say none of this made it into the film. Not that I don't think the film is awesome, its just different in ultimate message.

    --
    A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
    1. Re:Phillip K. Dick saw this by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Read the book before I ever saw BladeRunner. Well done.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    2. Re:Phillip K. Dick saw this by McNihil · · Score: 1

      Not wanting to diminish PKD and his outstanding work BUT Isaac Asimov's R Giskard Reventlov and R Daneel Oliwav were able to do this brain stuff too (telepathy.)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Giskard_Reventlov

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw

  29. Tim Schafer - The Prophet by Brickwalljon · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The human mind: 600 miles of synaptic fiber, 5 and half ounces of cranial fluid, 1500 grams of complex neural matter. A three pound pile of dreams. But I'll tell you what it really is! It is the ultimate battlefield and the ultimate weapon.

    The wars of this modern age, the Psychic Age, are all fought somewhere between these damp, curvaceous, undulations.

    From this day forward, you are all psychic soldiers, paranormal paratroopers, mental marines who are about to ship out on the adventure of their lives. THIS is our beachhead! And THIS is your landing craft! You shall engage the enemy in his own mentality! You shall chase his dreams! You shall fight his demons! You shall live his nightmares!

    And those of you fight well, you will find yourselves on the path to be international secret agents. In other words:
    PSYCHONAUTS!"

    -Morceau Oleander

    1. Re:Tim Schafer - The Prophet by FeepingCreature · · Score: 1

      "The human mind: 600 miles of synaptic fiber, 5 and half ounces of cranial fluid, 1500 grams of complex neural matter. A three pound pile of dreams. But I'll tell you what it really is! It is the ultimate battlefield and the ultimate weapon.

      The wars of this modern age, the Psychic Age, are all fought somewhere between these damp, curvaceous, undulations.

      From this day forward, you are all psychic soldiers, paranormal paratroopers, mental marines who are about to ship out on the adventure of their lives. THIS is our beachhead! And THIS is your landing craft! You shall engage the enemy in his own mentality! You shall chase his dreams! You shall fight his demons! You shall live his nightmares!

      And those of you fight well, you will find yourselves on the path to be international secret agents. In other words: PSYCHONAUTS!"

      -Morceau Oleander

      I don't care that I'm male - I want your children.

      I came here to post that. If I had mod points, I'd give them to you.

  30. Re:electrocuted = hard to speak, let alone lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about SPORT, but it sure is FUN if you're doing it to them right!!

  31. Survival of the Sickest by Virtualetters · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In this book, Sharon Moalem writes about the scary ways diseases, parasites and bacteria alter human behavior. Genital herpes, for example, might just influence people to be more promiscuous (but not TOO promiscuous). There was also a discussion of some parasites, like a wasp that stings a spider to embed its eggs in the spider. The larvae then alters the spider's brain activity to reroute its web-making routine such that it creates a cocoon for the larvae. Similarly, parasites that thrive in sheep cause ants to become focused on running to the top of grass strands to be easy targets. This allows the parasites' eggs to be excreted in the sheep feces and still end up back in the sheep. The number of hypothetical cases of bacteria, parasites or viruses altering human mental activity is frightening at first. That said, I don't know how well-backed any of these hypotheses are.

    1. Re:Survival of the Sickest by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The number of hypothetical cases of bacteria, parasites or viruses altering human mental activity is frightening at first. That said, I don't know how well-backed any of these hypotheses are.

      We...I can tell you that nothing like this exists for humans, definitely not ones that can influence a human's postings to Slashdot.

  32. Basilisk Attacks... by GenP · · Score: 1

    Maybe they'll come up with a viable basilisk attack?

  33. Aim for politicians, not soldiers by ancientt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TFA focuses on war, but lets talk about the causes, not just the effects of war.

    On the battlefield, bullets may be replaced with "pharmacological land mines" that release drugs to incapacitate soldiers on contact, while scanners and other electronic devices could be developed to identify suspects from their brain activity and even disrupt their ability to tell lies when questioned, the report says.

    What if instead of "disrupting their ability to tell lies when questions" were applied to political candidates instead of to soldiers? I believe there is a time and a place to wage war, but I'd be more supportive if the motives of our leaders were "filled with light" before they were elected and before we went to war. I'd like to see each political candidate for federal office asked to undergo a standard screen before they were allowed to accept any party nomination. I can even throw out a list of questions that I'd love to see the voters of the US get honest answers to:

    • Do you intend to protect the interests of the people of the United States?
    • What is your primary goal if you are elected to office?
    • Would you lie to the people you represent in order to achieve that goal?
    • Have you ever accepted bribes for political favors?
    • Do you really agree with your party's platform?
    • Do you really agree with all of the Constitution?
    • Is freedom or safety for the American people more important to you?
    • Have you lied during your campaign?
    • What is worth going to war over?

    It might be assumed from these questions that I'm against the wars and the policies of current elected officials, but the truth is that I agree with some of the policies and actions we've seen from our representatives in the house, senate and president, I'm even proud of them from time to time. At the same time I'm terribly disappointed in their lack of consistency and the feeling I always get that there are reasons and motivations that they hide from the people they are supposed to represent. I'd love to get honest answers about their motivations.

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    1. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by sisina · · Score: 1

      Do you really agree with all of the Constitution?

      Or even "Have you ever read all of the Constitution?"

    2. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by sedmonds · · Score: 1

      I don't think that most of the douchebags that run for public office actually believe that they're lying to achieve goals, making impossible promises (lies) during a campaign, or taking bribes (or future career options) for political favors. And they seem to really believe that creating a nanny/police state is the SAME as freedom. If their brains don't think there's any lying going on, will any truth serum or truth-zapping make a difference?

    3. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get "honest" answers from the Bush administration if you reverse whatever they say. For evidence of this, here's an excerpt from the Daily Show where they discuss the Russia-Georgia conflict.

      Seriously.. WTF.

    4. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I think you're right. Some of 'em are downright pathological. In their minds, they are correct and everyone else is either a tool or an impediment. They tell no lies, at least not by their lights.

      However, if one puts the questions carefully, this attitude could still be found out.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    5. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three words for you, ancientt: Google for "Zeitgeist"
      It's an interesting documentary and you can also find it as a free torrent. Watch it all the way through the end, then try to be proud of any political leaders you might have.

    6. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by houghi · · Score: 1

      The bad part is when you get a politician who actually believes that he is honest. Mostly because he also believes he is choosen by God. And those are the scary ones.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    7. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of the "interests of the people of the United States", how about people of the world in general?
      Political candidates are the most lying kind of people, only to serve their own agenda and do not giving a damn about everything else, economic power excluded.

      But it is a fearsome thought that the ability to do crowdcontrol and mindbending is possible in a few years, even more when a good thing turns evil in the hands of a (not even strong) leader and wil be abused.

    8. Re:Aim for politicians, not soldiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of those questions may not mean what you think they do. In those cases, the politician can answer truthfully and _still_ be lying under your interpretation of the same questions. Here's a few likely rewrite rules:

      s/the interests of the people of the United States/the interests of the American corporations in which you have the largest investments/g

      s/the people you represent/your closest friends and family/g

      s/(agree with all of the Constitution)/\1, but consider most of it to be open to arbitrary interpretation/g

      With these rewrite rules deeply ingrained into the politician's thought habits, the politician can answer the question absolutely truthfully ("I wouldn't lie to the people I represent"), while giving away nothing ("You are not one of the people I represent.") To get good answers you'd have to make sure that your questions are totally unambiguous, in no way open to interpretation, and phrased in literal terms.

  34. Shock Value: by jkiller · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can't call it electrocution when they're not dying from electrical shock.

  35. Pharmacological land mines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > On the battlefield, bullets may be replaced with "pharmacological land mines" that release drugs to incapacitate soldiers on contact

    So, they're going to try "Agent Orange" again?

    Next: Scientists finds that the molecules in the gun barrow when in contact with your throat may delay your desire to rape a giraffe.

  36. I for one by malkir · · Score: 1

    I for one do not welcome our new brain-controlling overlords.

  37. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by mrraven · · Score: 1

    An old joke used to be, "just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you," now it doesn't seem so funny. :(

    --
    Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
  38. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by thanatos_x · · Score: 1

    I doubt that they'll cost billions to destroy; atomic and chemical weapons created something that was toxic.

    Mind control weapons shouldn't be any more costly to dispose of than a tank or gun. If it's electronic, it'll likely be things already found in today's electronics. Not exactly great for the environment, but not immediately toxic.

    Now if it's a drug in gaseous form, it may be a bit worse, but even then something that is mostly safe for human consumption probably won't hurt the environment too much.

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    I am not an expert. If I am misled in something, please correct me.
  39. total BS by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I love how military innovation is so "innovative."

    Behavior altering drugs? What drug could possibly top what suicide bombers do now.

    Drug land mines? What mine could top blowing the guy up.

    If murder is the goal, murder is easily done already.

    And there are plenty of drugs and torture methods that help people say truthy things.

    1. Re:total BS by Bane1998 · · Score: 1

      The goal is figuring out who to blow up. You see, we don't know who our enemy is anymore. They don't wear uniforms, so everyone is a potential enemy. So we need to read their minds to identify whether to blow them up or not. That's the goal.

  40. AAHH! by GottliebPins · · Score: 1

    Of course it's hard for anyone to get good answers over all the screaming...

  41. Mod parent up! by mrraven · · Score: 1

    If the Nazis had, had color television and Gobbel's version of Fox news, we'd probably all be giving the Hitler salute, those of us alive that is. :(

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    Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
  42. Not "Brain battle", P.R. battle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weapons and oil investors like Cheney and Bush and their friends and families and associates want to see everything in terms of aggression.

    "In a report commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency..." means "We want to sell our ideas of aggression to taxpayers. You pay, we play". It's P.R., only that.

  43. Not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Re:Delay a person's ability to tell a lie

    > The sales demonstrations certainly would be fun. Hook up the sales rep and then start asking questions about the product. :)

    It wouldn't be as interesting as you're imagining. It would just make the demonstration take a lot longer...

  44. Biological weapon by Tsagadai · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked the brain had a lot to do with biology. Would developing weapons to manipulate multiple brains constitute developing biological weapons of mass destruction.

  45. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by philspear · · Score: 1

    Well, there's always tinfoil hats. And the fact that someone modded you up for "insightful" is proof that my tinfoil hat buisness should start advertising on /.

    Or maybe it's just proof that some people confuse "insightful" with "paranoia parading as wisdom."

  46. A Very Small Battlefield by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Funny

    Judging by the people I deal with on a daily basis, I think that this battle of the minds could take place on the head of a pin.

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    This ain't rocket surgery.
  47. Lies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychological warfare. We already have effective (*cough* inhumane) methods to combat minds.

  48. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    It's the potential superfluity of them, as they're probably short range devices. In the wrong hands, we'll all be buying crunchy peanut butter.

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    ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  49. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    Tin, lead, mu metal, something.

    A friend relays that HD radio has a subcarrier... ;)

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    ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  50. I have heard this before... by mbone · · Score: 1

    ... and in that iteration the weapon of choice was LSD. (Both the US and the CSR worked on developing it as a weapon, and IIRC Ken Keasey was first exposed to it as an Air Force volunteer. I wonder from time to time what happened to the tons of it the Czechs synthesized for the Warsaw pact.)

    You would think people would be able to learn from the past. I would suggest that Barefoot in the Head by Brian Aldiss be required reading at the DIA.

  51. Psychonauts by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

    Coach Morceau Oleander: The Human Mind: 600 miles of synaptic fiber, five and a half ounces of cranial fluid, 1500 grams of complex neural matter...a three-pound pile of dreams. But I'll tell you what it really is. It is the ultimate battlefield--and, the ultimate weapon. The wars of this modern age--The Psychic Age--are fought somewhere between these damp, curvaceous undulations. From this day forward, you are all psychic soldiers. Paranormal paratroopers! Mental marines who are about to ship out on the adventure of their lives! This [points to the brain diagram] is our beachhead! And this [points to his own head] is your landing craft. You shall engage the enemy in his own mentality--you shall chase his dreams, you shall fight his demons, you shall live his nightmares! And those of you who fight well, you will find yourselves on the path to becoming international secret agents-- in other words...Psychonauts!! The rest of you...will die!

  52. Brain Will be Battlefield of the Future? by morari · · Score: 1

    There goes the likelihood of ever seeing another recruit again.

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    "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
  53. 1984 by ghostunit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the novel 1984, one of the ultimate goals of a dictatorship is devising a way to read people's minds. In the novel, this translates to entire scientific research sections dedicated to such projects, as well as the constant use of psychological techniques (illustrated in the book) for the surveillance and interrogation of the general populace.

    This is not surprising. It derives from becoming paranoid and losing trust on your fellow human beings: "what if someone is secretly thinking of killing us? we ought to have a way to tell!". I hope no one ever gains such understanding, as it would be a serious threat to freedom.

    1. Re:1984 by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      don't worry if it comes to that i think we will ALL be thinking about killing the government anyway. they won't be able to tell who it is for all the noise.

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    2. Re:1984 by knutkracker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google does this already. All the things you thought about all day long, recorded for posterity.

    3. Re:1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially since it will inevitably be flawed, but no one will be able to explain it's flaws without the mind reading machines giving incriminating results about them.

  54. WMD's by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    If this is the case then i think MTV, all michael moore movies and hanna montana music should be classed as WMD's.

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  55. In layman's terms: by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    We are all screwed.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  56. Chemical Warfare? by carlzum · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    On the battlefield, bullets may be replaced with "pharmacological land mines" that release drugs to incapacitate soldiers on contact

    This sounds like chemical warfare to me. Wikipedia defines chemical warfare as "using the toxic properties of chemical substances to kill, injure or incapacitate an enemy." While they're not poisonous by design, it does put us on a slippery slope in that direction.

  57. Oblig Vernor Vinge by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    YGBM: You Gotta Believe Me weapon.

  58. Rule of Thumb. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the military or a collective of enough industry voices declare where we're going to be in twenty years, you can safely bet that those advancements are already here in some dark lab someplace.

    My reasoning is this: When you have developed a super-advanced technology in secret, then when it is out-moded and no longer useful because it is being replaced by an even more super-advanced secret technology, what do you do with it? Why you sell the heck out of it. Profit, profit, profit. The bad guys understand and live in the frequency of all things one can be fearful of. A big one is the Fear of Want. --Will I be safe from being homeless on the streets? Better make enough money to get a house. Will I be safe from a mortgage collapse? Better own a house and lots of extra money on top of that to see me through the hard times. Ooh, but the natives are growing restless. I better make sure my house is gated with armed guards on the walls. How much does that cost? Oh, and what if the economy collapses altogether? I'd better have enough resources saved up to be REALLY safe.

    It never ends, and so greed never ends. You need more to protect what you have, which in turn needs protecting. Fear, fear, fear.

    And so. . , you find schemes to make lots and lots of money. Keeping the economy running on new tech advancements; keep the people chasing after new and better stuff to replace old and outmoded stuff. So when your secret technologies which multiple agencies sworn to secrecy have been working on in compartmentalized areas with talk-and-die non-disclosure agreements signed and filed. . , when those technologies no longer serve to protect you directly because of newer and better items, you sell them! Yay!

    But hold on. You can't just dump a super-advanced technology on the market just like that. People will ask, "But where did it come from? Hey! Are you making secret technologies? With tax money? Well we want some of that!"

    So you need a narrative. You need to establish a logical development path for a new technology to sprout from for people to see. It doesn't have to be true, but just true enough. Think of all those poor busy-work developers re-inventing stuff in a guided manner so that their 'new' stuff lines up with the prescribed flow of stuff which you want to drop on the market in ten or twenty years time. Stuff, stuff, stuff!

    A silly game. Enjoy your iPods.

    -FL

    1. Re:Rule of Thumb. . . by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Brings new meaning to the phrase "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", doesn't it?

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    2. Re:Rule of Thumb. . . by LuxMaker · · Score: 1

      I'd mod parent up if I could because this is so true.

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    3. Re:Rule of Thumb. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded it up originally... I'm waiting for my anti-gravity flying car. :)

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      like your sig. :)

  59. Not the Future. Now... by Perf · · Score: 1

    No!

    This article is propaganda designed to give you a false sense of security.

    They already have the technology. They developed it at Area 52 in New York. (Area 51 is just a decoy.)

    Always wear your tinfoil.

    If possible, wear lead foil shields for extra protection. Or better yet, scour old battlefields for depleted uranium. (I found mine at old test sites in Nevada.)

    Build a radiation monitor from a shopping cart. (If people ask, claim it is an RF data detector/monitor for subways.)

    Never go to sleep. Be ever vigilant against attack. Sleep deprivation makes the mind more creative and insightful. It gives you more time to think. More time to understand the conspiracy and take preventive measures. (The wee hours are the best time to share insights on Coast To Coast AM.)

  60. The dark art of counter-intelligence by jamrock · · Score: 1

    ...you're going to catch the amateurs, not the ones that you really care about.

    Absolutely correct, and depending on the sophistication of the operation, they'll throw some sacrificial amateurs to the authorities as a distraction while the professionals go on about their business. If they feed the sacrificial lambs disinformation about the true objective (but just enough info to be credible), it will tie up investigative resources.

  61. Then we're ahead! by ThousandStars · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, a steady diet of US Weekly, People, and OK! will make us the world leaders in this "brain" battlefield of the future.

  62. The government has tried this before by LM741N · · Score: 1

    and the result was a guy on LSD jumping out of a building through plate glass. Sounds like a boondoggle for big Pharma though. More worthless, tested for 3 weeks, $20 pills.

  63. Mentalis Über Alles by secolactico · · Score: 1

    Now where was that brochure for the Psychonauts training camp...

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    No sig
    1. Re:Mentalis Über Alles by Atiniir · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the transcranial direct current stimulation works if you've made it through basic braining.

  64. better drugs! by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Given what happened with LSD I'm getting pretty stoked to see how we can un-weaponize these new pharmaceuticals and tech.

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  65. The untapped market by zazenation · · Score: 2, Interesting


    The secondary market for this has to be HUGE.

    Possible Spin-off:

    Can you imagine the female "Does He Really Love Me" market segment? Half the people on the planet. I'm serious. Can you imagine the first person that marketed shoes? Rolling in the big Fortuna now. All those aspiring brides-to-be who need to know the truth.

  66. nubness revealed by ramul · · Score: 1

    i tried to tag this p.k.dick but the interface:1 me:0

  67. Cyberbrain.. by xubz · · Score: 1

    ..from Ghost in the Shell (Anime) will be the ultimate battleground!

  68. Re:Yay, another orwellian "candidate screening" pr by Reziac · · Score: 1

    Sell enough scans, and you'll never need to hire anyone -- except to make more scans!

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  69. Who Did They Ask? by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obviously they asked a panel of, at least primarily, neuroscientists. TFA doesn't mention that the report wasn't an all-around technology assessment, but rather is from the outset a futurism projection of neuroscience: http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12177&page=R1
    They didn't come to the conclusion, as implied by the tone of TFA, rather it was their starting point and working boundary.

    Had they asked a panel of archeologists, the battlefield of the future would probably be inside the Great Pyramid, but The Guardian would fail to note the profession of the report writers, instead simply calling them "leading scientists".

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  70. Clearly you never played XCOM by Leuf · · Score: 1

    Why shoot the alien in the head when you can mind control him, have him walk around and expose all his buddies, maybe take a shot at one, then prime a grenade for 0 and drop it at his feet?

    But really it's the next logical step. First you remove as many of your own guys from having any chance of getting killed themselves, not because you care about them but so that the people won't get outraged at your losses. Then you don't kill the people on the other side either and the people will let you do just about anything.

    1. Re:Clearly you never played XCOM by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

      Right. But the imaginary scenario you talk of is nothing like what the article talks about.

      As for killing, I am all for the non-killing you talk of, but I don't really think that is what the weapon designers and soldiers on the field and the commander in chief have in mind.

      If not killing is the goal, then why not be diplomatic. It isn't like we are fighting aliens. We are all alike, learning what is being taught to us, and doing what we think is best. We'd like to think they are wrong, but from where they stand, it is us.

  71. The military mind by jandersen · · Score: 1

    ... including behaviour-altering drugs, scanners that can interpret a person's state of mind and devices capable of boosting senses such as hearing and vision. ...The report highlights one electronic technique, called transcranial direct current stimulation, which involves using electrical pulses to interfere with the firing of neurons in the brain and has been shown to delay a person's ability to tell a lie

    Several of these techniques are already covered under international law, I think: You are not allowed to force prisoners of war to take drugs or undergo drastic treatments, like transcranial stimulation; and of course spreading behaviour-altering drugs in the environment is chemical warfare.

    I don't see that there is anything new in these things - it is just some general's wet dream of absolute power. We have known about mind-altering drugs for millennia: Magic mushrooms, peyote etc. Boosting senses: telescopes and microphones. And forcing people to tell the truth: that has always been the purpose and definition of torture; whether you beat seven kinds of shit out of a person or use electricity in various strengths is immaterial.

    In recent years we have become more refined in some areas; we understand better how the brain works, but there is still a very long way to go before we can read a person's state of mind in any detail. The problem is that our brain is incredibly adaptable. Even if we lose large areas of brain tissue, other areas can take over and compensate. This plasticity means that there is a limit to how fine a resolution we can achieve with a brain scanner. Add to this the fact that scanning the brain also influences it - like in quantum mechanics, the harder you look, the more you disturb what you look at.

    These techniques will provide valuable scientific insight and will help doctors cure difficult diseases, but it is doubtful that they will ever become useful as weapons, even if one cares nothing about the ethical side of things.

  72. Psychonauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I'd better finish going through Psychonauts to get a head start on this whole Brain Battlefield thing.

  73. Live in Canada - no brain war here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank goodness I live in Canada.

    The US just declared war on people's brains.

    1. Re:Live in Canada - no brain war here by Target+Practice · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, there won't be much of a fight from the US citizens!

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  74. Obvious way to win by Lazyrust · · Score: 1

    is to just release a whole batallion of zombies. Eaten brains = no war = we win!

  75. Oh, yeah, that will help.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Several of these techniques are already covered under international law, I think: You are not allowed to force prisoners of war to take drugs or undergo drastic treatments, like transcranial stimulation; and of course spreading behaviour-altering drugs in the environment is chemical warfare.

    Given that the alleged enlightnened democracy of the US of A has seen it fit to bypass their own laws by creating "waterboarding is A-OK" Guantanamo Bay I think we now have a world leading example of saying one thing and doing another.. And that's a "democracy". Try voting against Robert Mugabe, for instance, just as a fun exercise.

    However, transcranial stimulation is medically a very interesting technique. It is also used (in limited fashion) in neurofeedback and appears to speed up the impact of some neurofeedback treatments.

    Personally, I don't like "input" other than via my normal sensory array, thanks..

  76. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by houghi · · Score: 1

    They already influence the mind during peacetime. It is called Fox News. (After writing it I am not even sure if I go after funny or insightfull mods)

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  77. Devices capable of boosting senses ... by CruelKnave · · Score: 1

    ... such as hearing and vision. Apparently, they will be called parabolic microphones and binoculars.

  78. Woah. I feel sorry for this Brian guy. by ancient_kings · · Score: 1

    To have so many wars fought with/near you is quite tiring....

  79. I declare by Gearoid_Murphy · · Score: 1

    War on brain. For too long the brain has mocked us with its pithy comments and wry observations. No longer will we be held to the whims of that pickled organ that hides so smugly in its bony skull-like fortress using us like mindless slaves, forcing us to read endless articles on slashdot, trawling through comment after comment, doing battle with other brains whose ruthless control of their outer extremities is awesome to behold, kablahh!!!!

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  80. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, you are just willfully ignorant. Considering the alternative is just too much for you to accept, so you would rather live in denial. Good night little sheeple.

  81. Eye am teh Winner!!! by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    Eye Isth sooo smartie pants that ppl will knot want 2 fight me. Eye have already 1 the batle. I have best brain on teh planet blessed by the Gods to unweild unhold amounts of destruction with a single thought. Mental acts of war, I will be winner. I sea all teh battlefields and can win in second. I could take over planet. But I won't. ;)

    1. Re:Eye am teh Winner!!! by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      We are already doomed. I think there's enough people playing Counterstrike and text messaging that write and think precisely in the tone and style I've written. To some, that is textbook quality material.

      If we use are brains appropriately, we can solve a lot of of conflict before it occurs. Diplomacy helps if its backed by sanctions that work. And, education of the world's poor and underprivileged is a start. If we can divert some children from attending the Madrassas which teach hatred, low self-esteem and self-worth, low literacy and vital knowledge for future advancement (math, science, etc.), then we might be able to avoid war altogether.

      Note: I wanted to make the point before being modded as delusional (instead of funny) and losing all my Karma for my last post! I wanted to make a point. Which I've noted above.

  82. Politics nowadays is more complex than that by Britz · · Score: 1

    Take something as simple as bribes. For example if a candidate already had a platform that a certain industry likes they are going to sponsor that. Now do some evolution (only two parties, lots of pre-elections until someone rises to the top) and finally the politician with the most support has risen to the top. And it is the politician with the platform best suited to all the people that give money to them.

    But they aren't bribed now. They are just supported by the people that benefit from his platform.

    This is an oversimplification of the complex processes in politics. Also the issues are very complex as well. And politicians can't lie anymore anyways (risk of exposure) so they don't even say anything anymore. Sure they talk, but do they say anything?

    The most honest politician is probabely the one you completely disagree with. Unfortunately it is usually the lunatic on the sidelines.

  83. article summary by GregNorc · · Score: 1

    The future will be more futuristic than previously imagined.

  84. Re:Used for war, they'll be used for "peace" contr by philspear · · Score: 1

    Alternative? What alternative? You mean the hypothetical scenario of "The US, in the future, will use as-of-yet undeveloped brain control schemes for nefarious purposes?"

    Yeah, I considered it. Four reasons why it's stupid to worry about it:

    1. Pre-emptive: you're worrying about things which haven't yet been made. Not a good reason by itself but...

    2. More pressing concerns: Propaganda is real and is working. Why develop mind control in a pill? The oil companies are convincing gullible people that oil is infinite, no global warming, no security concerns, we don't need alternatives using the second oldest profession: advertising. Voter control? What do you call political campaigns?

    You're worrying about little green men abducting you as you are being kidnapped by real humans.

    3. Lack of evidence: related to the first two. Proof that this is going on? As nonexistent as a mind control pill.

    4. Government incompetence: Pols can't manage to keep their illegal fundraising activities secret, and the US government can't defeat illiterate, ignorant islamic radicals You really believe they're inexplicably competent at developing effective mind control drugs, producing them, deploying them, and KEEPING IT ALL A SECRET?

    So let me reivse your statement:

    "Considering the hypothetical scenario is just too ridiculous and stupid for you to even consider so you would rather not focus on delusions."

    Yes, it's true when you put it like that.

  85. Just Ask Pat Benatar by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    According to Pat Benatar love is already a battlefield, baby!

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