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42% of Web Users Sneak Onto Others' Online Accounts

An anonymous reader writes "In an online survey, 42 percent of Internet users admitted to logging into other people's email and social networking accounts without their knowledge. The poll doesn't ask if passwords were found, granted, or stolen — which would make for further interesting results. The write-up summarizing the results defines the respondents as part of an "educated tech-readership" and questions the ethics of logging onto someone else's account, and whether those differ depending on the person and relationship."

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  1. (no subject) by woodchip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or "auto-saved" in their web browser.

    1. Re:(no subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am the real woodchip and that dangerous hacker has stolen my password.

      I am going to call the cops.

    2. Re:(no subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait... nevermind.

      I'm not going to call the cops anymore. I'm not entirely sure my livestock porn is legal in this state.

    3. Re:(no subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nor am I sure if I am real or just a figment of someone else's imagination.

    4. Re:(no subject) by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      or "auto-saved" in their web browser.

      Yea, auto-forwarding someone's gmail is easy as pie.
      Gmail should require you to re-enter the account password before allowing an auto-forward address to be saved.

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    5. Re:(no subject) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Anyone consider the method, someone is logged into the internet, yahoo, msn, etc and simply walked away?

      then here i come and am surfing away.....
      responding like everyone else.

    6. Re:(no subject) by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I was thinking more along the lines of West Virginia.

    7. Re:(no subject) by Dan541 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget to look under the keyboard.

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    8. Re:(no subject) by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      leave Frank out of this. he has enough problems.

    9. Re:(no subject) by FLEB · · Score: 1

      Any service should ask you to re-enter a password any time you make any configuration change. Local cookie forgetfulness and the possibility of remote session-stealing, along with the relative infrequency of config changes, makes it almost a forehead-slapper.

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    10. Re:(no subject) by highonv8splash · · Score: 1

      I have a part-time job where my IT coordinator for the building actually instructed me to do this so that she could login both with her account and my generic account. I'm glad the world is so full of smart people.

  2. Stolen AC's password... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    but it did take me some time so this is not Frist Post.

    1. Re:Stolen AC's password... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn it. And I worked so hard building up a solid reputation for honesty and rational thought.

  3. Only 42%? by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    Heck, I'm "sneaking" on this account right now!

    1. Re:Only 42%? by RuBLed · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see, so the true Ultimate Question is "What is the % of web users who sneak onto other online accounts?"

      Ha! take that Vogons..

    2. Re:Only 42%? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not really 42% -- 50% of the ones who answered the survey was actually the same person logging into 21% of the accounts.

  4. And it works, too by Das+Modell · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm actually the one who posted this story.

    1. Re:And it works, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahahaha! Disregard that, I suck cocks.
      -Das Modell

      reference in case people think I'm trolling.

    2. Re:And it works, too by hurgh · · Score: 1

      Google cache of this if any one wants

    3. Re:And it works, too by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You still wear you All Your Base T shirt don't you?

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    4. Re:And it works, too by BillyGee · · Score: 1

      Updated reference

    5. Re:And it works, too by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      This is Cowboy Neal. No you didn't post the story. I did under your name.

  5. That's so true! by wwrmn · · Score: 5, Informative

    wwrmn molests kittens and has been known to punch puppies.

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  6. Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It just seems bizarre to me how many people think it's normal to give out their password to family/friends/partners/whatever. I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will, and my really important ones get changed regularly. Is that really so terribly unusual?

    1. Re:Sharing passwords by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a little kid the first thing I did when I learned to program was write some code to ask for passwords.

      Apparently I've mellowed. I had a girlfriend who used the key I'd given her to invite herself in and look over my e-mail when I wasn't home. She got dumped. But now I'm thinking it's an excellent test. I have a couple of friends who volunteered to send a couple of... interesting messages as plants.

    2. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Stick to dating people who know how to use a packet sniffer. :)

    3. Re:Sharing passwords by HermDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      It just seems bizarre to me how many people think it's normal to give out their password to family/friends/partners/whatever. I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will, and my really important ones get changed regularly. Is that really so terribly unusual?

      What are you? Some kind of mutant?

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    4. Re:Sharing passwords by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      It just seems bizarre to me how many people think it's normal to give out their password to family/friends/partners/whatever. I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will, and my really important ones get changed regularly.

      Well, I have given out my bs password to friends, but I consider the "giving out of password" to be "permission to use it anyplace that I used said password at any time, without having to ask me." I'm not counting on their restraint other than their restraint to not give out passwords to others. If they do, I'll just change the password and not tell them the new one (since it only opens up stuff I don't care about anyway, it wouldn't be that big of a deal). The question is does that study count, "they didn't know I logged on july 15th, 2006, but they knew I logged on to those sites before" as "without permission"?

      Obviously I have never given out my root password / bank password / important emails password / anything I don't want anybody else logging on to passwords to anyone and never will.

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    5. Re:Sharing passwords by gregbot9000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? I give out my passwords to crap like e-bay all the time, to friends who want to sell and to other sites that require membership. It's no big deal.

      Honestly, checking someones email is about as morally wrong as reading their diary. Sure it's incredibly rude if you get caught but hardly in the realm of some evil raping of personal space.

    6. Re:Sharing passwords by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah right. Just try finding one of those. Of the correct sex.

    7. Re:Sharing passwords by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but it leads to insecurity further down the road. For example, you give your girlfriend (yes I know most /.ers probably don't have one) your password to a social networking site either through an auto log-in browser, or by telling her it. Anyways, 3 months down the road you and your girlfriend break up, so, knowing your password she goes onto your social networking site account and vandalizes it with random crap and perhaps changes the password. Your reputation is ruined.

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    8. Re:Sharing passwords by cjb658 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And orientation

    9. Re:Sharing passwords by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      Pff. I'm training mine to.

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    10. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, I suppose I shouldn't be assuming which sex is the correct one for you, but from the implication of scarcity I'll go ahead and assume you're a straight male.

      Anyway, we *do* exist. Including myself, I know of at least two women who know how to use a packet sniffer. Now, we're both gay, so that doesn't help you very much, but I'm sure there have to be straight geeky women out there.

    11. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to have been interested enough to bother replying.

    12. Re:Sharing passwords by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but hardly in the realm of some evil raping of personal space

      According to YOU . I don't give my passwords out to anyone. I catch anyone using one of my accounts I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

      You may not value your privacy, but it is a little bit arrogant and presumptive to assign the same value to everyone else's privacy.

    13. Re:Sharing passwords by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now, we're both gay

      <obligatory>Pics or it didn't happen!</obligatory>

    14. Re:Sharing passwords by ph0rk · · Score: 1

      but hardly in the realm of some evil raping of personal space

      According to YOU . I don't give my passwords out to anyone. I catch anyone using one of my accounts I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

      You may not value your privacy, but it is a little bit arrogant and presumptive to assign the same value to everyone else's privacy.

      I don't know your dating status and don't care, but those sound like the words of someone who has been and will remain alone. Loss of privacy is at the very core of becoming unsingle. Read his/her emails too. big deal.

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    15. Re:Sharing passwords by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

      That part is negotiable. At least partially so.

    16. Re:Sharing passwords by jagdish · · Score: 1

      Hey look, its George Constanza.

    17. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 1

      I would consider breaking into my account to look around worse than just breaking into my appartment to look around.

      Exactly. Same here. Breaking into my account and snooping through my files (including 60M of IM logs, e-mail archives going back almost a decade, and probably one or two naughty pics of an ex-girlfriend) would be *much* worse than snooping around my apartment, and probably only a notch or two better than breaking into my *mind* and snooping around.

    18. Re:Sharing passwords by MarcQuadra · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually caught a previous girlfriend cheating once by using a packet sniffer!

      I was living with her and things went all wonky (no sex, she started crying all the time, etc.). One day she went to visit her 'friend' who was flying in, he'd only be on a six hour layover and she was going to keep him company. This is no big deal to me, since I would be expected to be able to do the same.

      Long story short, I was learning Wireshark at the time, and was already logging all sorts of traffic from common protocols (DHCP, WINS, AIM, etc.) at the gateway just for fun. A week later when I was going over the logs, now with a bit of curiosity since she was acting very -odd- after her return from the airport, I saw that she started an IM session with her best friend as soon as she got back from her visit. The contents included details on some kissing, and a plan to 'stick with this guy until the other guy is heading out again in six months, then leave with him'.

      That relationship ended that night.

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    19. Re:Sharing passwords by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Funny

      BOSCO

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    20. Re:Sharing passwords by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Confucius say "A gay girl with packet sniffer? Hmmm, something fishy here."

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    21. Re:Sharing passwords by strabes · · Score: 1

      It's not unusual. I don't even know my password for most websites because I generate random >20 character passwords using keepass and store them on my flash drive on my keychain.

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    22. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Heh. I've never caught anyone cheating on *me* that way, but I did once use the ULOG target of iptables to help a former roommate catch her boyfriend in adult chatrooms on Yahoo. He was impersonating a black man with an 18-inch penis, and fantasizing about simultaneous penetrating pregnant woman and her unborn fetus, with lethal results for the fetus.

      I needed to wash my brain out with bleach after that one. Amazingly, she stayed with him two more years.

    23. Re:Sharing passwords by unitron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Especially if you're a cunning linguist.

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    24. Re:Sharing passwords by Giometrix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "That relationship ended that night."

      The look on her face must have been classic. Good for you man!

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    25. Re:Sharing passwords by snoggeramus · · Score: 1

      And Bond did manage to get in to Miss Moneypenny's lap .... oh, nevermind.

    26. Re:Sharing passwords by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Oh noes. Not my social networking sites. People with real friends don't need MySpace and I would never give my password out to a professional site.

    27. Re:Sharing passwords by thepuppydog26 · · Score: 1

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. When I break up with someone who knows my password(s), the FIRST thing I do is change it(them).

    28. Re:Sharing passwords by phulegart · · Score: 1

      Moron. One irate girlfriend with access to your password means no more money earning interest in your paypal account, and no more money in your bank account, because she transferred it all to your paypal before she shifted it somewhere else.

      Click I forgot my password... and it is emailed to your email account, which she has access to. SO now, she has access to any other account you signed up with, that you used the original email to sign up with.

      Sure, in a relationship, there is always a certain amount of trust. And just as in any relationship that goes south, there are bank accounts that get cleaned out. Is that the price to pay for being in a relationship? Why? Why does it have to be? Do you feel like going through the hassle of getting access to all your online accounts again, after your passwords have been changed... or worse yet, facing having all those accounts closed/deleted?

      Just because someone values and understands privacy, doesn't mean they are alone.

      Now.. someone who feels they must give up all privacy and hand over everything they have to a significant other just to keep them, is rather desperate and lacks self worth. Also, no woman will respect a guy like that. No man respects a woman like that either.

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    29. Re:Sharing passwords by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your reputation is dependent on a social networking site, you have bigger problems than a vengeful ex.

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    30. Re:Sharing passwords by black_lbi · · Score: 1

      I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will, and my really important ones get changed regularly. Is that really so terribly unusual?

      Well, you are also reading /.
      I must be new here, because I can't figure out if that's a rhetorical question or not.

    31. Re:Sharing passwords by trentblase · · Score: 1
    32. Re:Sharing passwords by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      Speaking of bleach, this kind of thing is exactly why the gene pool should be chlorinated. There is definitely some funky shit growing in there...

    33. Re:Sharing passwords by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1

      I don't know your dating status and don't care, but those sound like the words of someone who has been and will remain alone. Loss of privacy is at the very core of becoming unsingle. Read his/her emails too.

      I feel sorry for you. I've been married eighteen years as of this month and I've never read my husband's email. I also never read his mail unless he tells me to go ahead and open it over the phone. I expect the same the respect for my privacy from him.

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    34. Re:Sharing passwords by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      The parent poster probably tries to not do date jerks. And anyway, I think that if someone with who you had a relationship wants to hurt you, there are much more effective ways than deleting random photos on your flickr account. Usually, they will end up with the same friends as you, so they can ruin your reputation much more easily that way. Sharing or not your passwords for minor sites seem quite harmless compared to that.

    35. Re:Sharing passwords by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 1

      It's okay, I'm kinda used to the stupid. At least it mostly happens here rather than in my real life.

    36. Re:Sharing passwords by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      If I caught you reading my hypothetical diary, I would inflict considerable bodily harm upon you.

    37. Re:Sharing passwords by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know your dating status and don't care, but those sound like the words of someone who has been and will remain alone. Loss of privacy is at the very core of becoming unsingle. Read his/her emails too.

      I feel sorry for you. I've been married eighteen years as of this month and I've never read my husband's email. I also never read his mail unless he tells me to go ahead and open it over the phone. I expect the same the respect for my privacy from him.

      That's a great policy, but we play it a little differently. If my e-mail's up on screen, I wouldn't at all be bothered if my wife (11 years) read it. If she snooped and logged in, that might be different. One oddity is that we both use my e-mail for our online accounts (I order more). If she orders something that she doesn't want me to know about, she gives me a heads-up. I forward the receipt without ever reading it and delete my copy. Every once in a while, it's a gift for me =). Other times, I never know what it is or how much it cost us.

      No biggie. I love her and I trust her. She trusts me too. She has my passwords and I trust her to use them within the (implied & mutually assumed) limits that we live in. And vice versa.

      It's nice. I can't say I've never been burned, but living with somebody you trust is worth the risk of being burned as long as you make good choices.

      And snooping is almost strictly detrimental. If you feel the need to snoop, you have another concern to address. I tell the truth so that I can trust. I refrain from snooping so that I can trust that others will respect my privacy. I don't steal so that I don't feel the need to protect my property. Sometimes I get burned, but it's definitely worth it.

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    38. Re:Sharing passwords by xangelo · · Score: 1

      No offence, but that sounds like some pretty petty stuff.. and if those are the kinds of people you're dating and giving away your password to.. then you kinda deserve it :P

    39. Re:Sharing passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It could save money on birth control.

    40. Re:Sharing passwords by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Anyway, we *do* exist. Including myself, I know of at least two women who know how to use a packet sniffer. Now, we're both gay

      Ah, so maybe you do exist, but you're not one of them (geek girls with correct sexual orientation). So it's quite possible that they don't exist after all, if you don't actually know any either...

      Oh well, a significant other being able to do the same stuff you are able to do isn't really that nice. Far better if he/she can do different stuff.

    41. Re:Sharing passwords by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      They exist. She's dating me: being the only one, she can be really picky. And believe me, she can do some very, very different stuff.

    42. Re:Sharing passwords by risinganger · · Score: 1
      Unusual? I don't know. Sensible? well you don't need me to answer :-).

      I did know somebody that gave not only the password to their email but even the PIN for their bank card to their current partner. Yeah, I think they're stupid as well.

    43. Re:Sharing passwords by dword · · Score: 1

      Screw this statistic. What I really want to know is how many accounts have been used by someone else without the owners' approval/knowledge. Those 42% could have been using the same 1% (yes, I'm exaggerating) and I think a more important question is how many accounts have been compromised.

    44. Re:Sharing passwords by chubs730 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this happened to my friend once. (Sorry I couldn't be the counterexample slashdot kid with a girlfriend.) He broke up with his girlfriend, but she really wanted to see him, so he agreed to see her one day a week. Then he posted a comment to someone else's facebook about how he "only has to see her once a week but can still bum rides off of her". But she had his password and yelling ensued.I'd really not worry about hurting your own reputation with something that might obviously be fake, but having someone else read something hurtful to them or their friends could be a serious issue.

    45. Re:Sharing passwords by Eivind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's also the possibility that you actually trust someone. My wife knows the passwords for some of my stuff, simply out of convenience. It -does- happen that she needs some stuff (say pictures) from my laptop and I'm out. The home-partition is encrypted, she knows the password.

      I don't see the big deal. I didn't encrypt it to protect it from HER. I encrypted it so that stuff on there stays private even if say a burglar steals the laptop.

      Yeah, this means if she likes she can dig around in my firefox-history or whatever. So what ? I trust her. Certainly, it's possible that she'll betray that trust at some point. That's always a risk when trusting people. If that happens though, the privacy of my emails will be the least of my worries.

      "Lost my wife, and my gmail-password" -- somehow I don't think the gmail-password is going to be the biggest deal in that context.

    46. Re:Sharing passwords by kaos07 · · Score: 1

      I actually found pics of this particular Slashdotter after like 3 seconds of Google.

      But I'm too scared to post in case she hacks my account. Oooooooooooooh, irony.

    47. Re:Sharing passwords by fyoder · · Score: 1

      That's nothing. Through simpler 'he should have changed his password' means, a friend learned that her husband from whom she was separated had taken another wife, without bothering with the inconvenience of first divorcing her.

      Personally, I prefer pop to imap, and never leave mail on the server. Yes, it can be convenient to be able to access your mail from any web connected computer anywhere, but it's just as convenient for anyone who has your login details.

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    48. Re:Sharing passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You might want to read up on Laura Chappell, the Wireshark guru! :)

      http://www.packet-level.com/

    49. Re:Sharing passwords by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It just seems bizarre to me how many people think it's normal to give out their password to family/friends/partners/whatever. I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will, and my really important ones get changed regularly. Is that really so terribly unusual?"

      Yes, most people are ignorant and convenience trumps security.

    50. Re:Sharing passwords by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Sure it's incredibly rude if you get caught but hardly in the realm of some evil raping of personal space.

      It is incredibly rude, not to mention unethical, even if you don't get caught. Your comment is rather telling about your own personal sense of ethics though since you seem to think it's not wrong unless someone catches you.

    51. Re:Sharing passwords by jabithew · · Score: 1

      Here's a ker-razy idea;

      How about changing the password before you dump her? Since it's the work of 30s or less.

      I went one step beyond that. I have an ex who still knows the password to my MSN account, but who assumed that I'd change it so thinks she doesn't. Ultimately, I couldn't care less if she hacks the account, it will be pretty painfully obvious.

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    52. Re:Sharing passwords by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Now, we're both gay

      Pics or it didn't happen!

      http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb219/gigi4808/siegfried_roy_tiger_1_r.jpg/

      On topic, I didn't post this and I do not have a tiger on my lap.

    53. Re:Sharing passwords by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      Well , i'm available . But it's hard to find good looking women on slashdot .

    54. Re:Sharing passwords by houghi · · Score: 1

      Amazingly, she stayed with him two more years.

      I know people who go watch movies about people getting killed. So not only have you violated somebodies privacy for absolutely no reason, you also do not understand the word 'fantasy'.

      By your lack of imagination, you might perhaps think that everybody in Hollywood needs to be locked up, because they are sick people. (OK, I would like them locked up, becasue they are sick people as well, but for a completely different reason)

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    55. Re:Sharing passwords by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      You clearly do not use your email for anything important, some of us have especially sensitive information at stake.

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    56. Re:Sharing passwords by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Why is there always someone with the *pics* request....
      I'd love to say that the lack of straight females choosing to pursue the field was some sort of myth but it really isn't. They exist sure but good luck finding them.
      I'm trying an alt approach, find a non techie girl and teach her how to program.
      It starts off well but we get distracted far too much to ever get more than a few minutes into a lesson.... :-D

    57. Re:Sharing passwords by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      One irate girlfriend with access to your password means no more money earning interest in your paypal account,

      forget the Ex
      people are going on the grounds that they will be betrayed by the person they give the password to, that isn't always the case. How do you know that persons computer is secure?

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    58. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Amazingly, she stayed with him two more years.

      I know people who go watch movies about people getting killed. So not only have you violated somebodies privacy for absolutely no reason, you also do not understand the word 'fantasy'.

      Following that same logic, looking a pedophilic and bestiality videos is "ok", because it's just fantasy.

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    59. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      After I broke up with my ex he let it slip that he'd been checking up on me (I passed) but that piece of information destroyed a possible reconciliation. I viewed him as a liar, immature and untrusting - not a good basis for a relationship. I didn't care that he'd been burned in the past, it's NOT a reason, it's an excuse.

      Sure it is. Trust, but verify.

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    60. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      I give out my passwords ... and to other sites that require membership.

      And if they're some-competent, they don't save the password, they save the hash key.

      Honestly, checking someones email is about as morally wrong as reading their diary. Sure it's incredibly rude if you get caught but hardly in the realm of some evil raping of personal space.

      How the hell did this get modded "+5, Insightful"? Sneaking into someones house and rifling thru their stuff is s a bit more than "incredibly rude". Are you in college, or something? Maybe work at McDonalds?

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    61. Re:Sharing passwords by shaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's disgusting. And I'm not speaking of his very private sexual fantasies, but using packet sniffing intending to "catch" your partner in adult chatrooms. I'm glad that your friend seems more sensible than you.

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    62. Re:Sharing passwords by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      There are female packetsniffers? ;)

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    63. Re:Sharing passwords by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the way. Let her think she can see everything, but hide the real meat somewhere else. First thing they taught me at the Evil Genius Accademy.

    64. Re:Sharing passwords by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      [quote]I wouldn't at all be bothered if my wife (11 years) read it.[/quote]

      11 years, that's quite a young wife you got there ;)

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    65. Re:Sharing passwords by naich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "...things went all wonky (no sex, she started crying all the time, etc.)"

      I was sitting here thinking "that's normal, isn't it?" You wait until you have kids.

    66. Re:Sharing passwords by houghi · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As long as there were no kids or animals harmed just like there are no people killed in the movies.

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    67. Re:Sharing passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well played AC. You and she will be married before the year is out.

    68. Re:Sharing passwords by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      As a little kid the first thing I did when I learned to program was write some code to ask for passwords.

      Apparently I've mellowed. I had a girlfriend who used the key I'd given her to invite herself in and look over my e-mail when I wasn't home. She got dumped. But now I'm thinking it's an excellent test. I have a couple of friends who volunteered to send a couple of... interesting messages as plants.

      If I understand you well: an action you undertook yourself in the past, and which is performed by 42% of the population is enough to ditch your GF. Moreover you'll provide a honeypot to see if she bites? How can you even start a relationship with someone you apparently don't trust? Just make sure your passwords are safe. Relationships != cryptographic testcase.

    69. Re:Sharing passwords by vain+gloria · · Score: 1

      It's like Dad warned me when I turned 16: "When you give someone your password you're giving it to them plus everyone they ever slept with."

    70. Re:Sharing passwords by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      There's also the possibility that you actually trust someone. My wife knows the passwords for some of my stuff, simply out of convenience. It -does- happen that she needs some stuff (say pictures) from my laptop and I'm out. The home-partition is encrypted, she knows the password.

      Well, that's the point I tried to make, but failed. If I give my password out to someone, it implies permission for them to use it. So they couldn't possibly use it "without authorization."

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    71. Re:Sharing passwords by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm pretty sure all packet sniffers are female.

    72. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      As long as there were no kids or animals harmed

      But that wasn't your original argument. It was the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

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    73. Re:Sharing passwords by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Noo... you've gotten it backwards. As a kid (before passwords were really common) I used to write programs to password protect things.

      No trust is why she got dumped. She was poking through my e-mail looking for a reason not to trust me, which she did not find. The honeypot idea was (mostly) a joke.

    74. Re:Sharing passwords by caluml · · Score: 1

      But it's hard to find good looking women on slashdot.

      Wait - this isn't a dating site?

    75. Re:Sharing passwords by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      You're on form today, arent you? ;-) Well done, I've enjoyed reading your posts...

    76. Re:Sharing passwords by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      There were several when I was in college. Out of all the CS students I ever saw (a couple hundred) about 25-30 were female. About half of those looked decent. Half again of that group was smokin hot. The majority seemed to be just as competent as the male students (I met a few that were dumber than a brick, but the same was true of the male students and the ratio didn't seem too different).

      Where the hell they went after graduation I'm not sure though. Out in the working world I've only ever encountered male programmers :'(.

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    77. Re:Sharing passwords by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      But that wasn't your original argument. It was the ability to separate fantasy from reality.

      Precisely. The problem with CP or zoo is that they generally depict something that has happened in reality: that real children or animals have been abused in the making. If they're as fictional as a Hollywood movie or a fantasy in IRC somewhere, what's the problem?

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    78. Re:Sharing passwords by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      First thing they taught me at the Evil Genius Accademy.

      So I guess spelling will be a later lesson?

    79. Re:Sharing passwords by Spatial · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then many people have 'bigger problems'.

      Your reputation is dependent on every medium you communicate through. Lots of people have real-life relationships with friends and family mirrored on social networking sites. If someone gets your password and makes fake posts about you coming out as a paedophile, your reputation will be harmed.

    80. Re:Sharing passwords by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      And then educate them into using SSL encryption so you can't follow their movements and live in that holy trinity of love, lust and mistrust that we all seem to enjoy so much ...

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    81. Re:Sharing passwords by Thundermace · · Score: 1

      I am wondering if your new here or maybe new to IT in general?

      In all seriousness, users when not prodded not only dont change their password but generally stick to the default of [ or vice versa] or worst yet pick something pretty easy to guess like pa55w0rd or some such idiocracy. So reading about people's accounts being compromised is not so laughable but more a comment on how we are churning out unlearned retards who know nothing of security, privacy, or rights...

      Just my 2cents...

    82. Re:Sharing passwords by Thundermace · · Score: 1

      Sorry for whatever reason the just kidding with geekgirlandrea was left off my post - so apologies to her..I was just joking with her in that first line..

    83. Re:Sharing passwords by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Or a keystroke logger. That also helps get around things like cryptography.

      It is like a cold war spy story between two lovers!

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    84. Re:Sharing passwords by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was living with her and things went all wonky (no sex, she started crying all the time, etc.)

      Regular boyfriend asks her what's wrong and tries to figure out how she's feeling by talking to her.

      Nerdy boyfriend waits till the situation degrades further and sniffs her IM packets to eavesdrop her conversations with her best friend to find out what was going on once it's already too late.

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    85. Re:Sharing passwords by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      A close friend is a DJ. He uses the social networking sites, among other things, to promote his acts. He's not the only one doing it in the industry. He does get thousands of hits a day on his profile. A former GF was a bit of a wacko. Everyone that visited the site, knew of her reputation. Many months after they broke up, she was still posting I love You's on his social networking site. Now what if you don't have a crazy.

      What if, and this does happen, you get a woman you slept with that claims you got her pregnant. She wants money. You want to take it to court or get testing done. You know it wasn't you. She goes on your profile and starts posting, don't go out with this guy. Gets you pregnant than leaves you. Even if its false, reputation ruined. Could claim in court but if you're running promotions for 3 or 4 gigs a week, your income is screwed until this gets fixed. There's bound to be a lot of people that believe you, that know you, but this is bad stuff.

    86. Re:Sharing passwords by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Don't understimate the real-life issues that may carry over from networking sites... Depending on how well crafted the false info was, you may have a hard time fixing things, especially if that networking site was read by, say, 15 people you knew in real life. Maybe things will get better, but problems that may arise from this is in no way related to how "geeky" you are, at least.

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    87. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      The problem with CP or zoo is that they generally depict something that has happened in reality: that real children or animals have been abused in the making. If they're as fictional as a Hollywood movie or a fantasy in IRC somewhere, what's the problem?

      You need to have it explained to you why fantasy pedophilia is a Bad Thing?

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    88. Re:Sharing passwords by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      You need to have it explained to you why fantasy pedophilia is a Bad Thing?

      Speaking as someone who regularly commits fantasy genocide for fun: yes.

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    89. Re:Sharing passwords by lpevey · · Score: 1

      I know that we're very much in the minority, but I think there are more women on Slashdot than most people generally assume. I would guess that most of us just don't post comments that identify ourselves as female. Gender is usually not relevant to Slashdot discussions, and the few times it actually is germane I tend to want to just stay out of the fray.

    90. Re:Sharing passwords by stry_cat · · Score: 1

      What are you going to do when you're in the hospital (or jail) and your family needs to access your accounts?

    91. Re:Sharing passwords by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      What nationality were theese girls? (or at least what nationality did they appear to be)

      I'm studying electronic systems engineering at manchester in the uk and there are plenty of girls studying in the department but very very few of them appear to be european. Most of them seem to be either chineese, indian, muslim or african. I presume they go back to thier home countries when they finish studying (many of them are probablly under contracts with thier governemtn obliging them to go back home for a set number of years after graduation)

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    92. Re:Sharing passwords by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I can't recall distinct numbers - we had at least one Chinese girl, and several Indians (though one of the Indian girls spoke with a valley-girl sounding accent so I'm guessing back home for her isn't India - she was definitely among that upper echelon of hot CS girls I mentioned :)). Besides those though the majority seemed to be mostly from America.

      It might have something to do with my area though. I live on the coast of SC which isn't exactly a booming technology center (it's getting better though). I stay because my family is here and I couldn't imagine moving too far from them, and I suspect that other IT workers in this area are here for similar reasons. So in general there's just not a whole heck of a lot of IT jobs/workers here anyways, and with the ratio low enough it's no wonder that I've encountered so few females in the workforce.

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    93. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Speaking as someone who regularly commits fantasy genocide for fun: yes.

      No one on this list is that big an idiot. You must be a troll.

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    94. Re:Sharing passwords by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      My thinking is the same as the thread starter's - giving out passwords seems like such alien behavior to me that I think I just couldn't do it. I'd feel sick to the stomach if I did.

      For things that don't matter much to me ('throwaway' accounts) I have a common 'throwaway' password but this still doesn't mean I would intentionally and voluntarily give that password up to anyone. (Paranoid? Maybe, but I can rest easily).

      I have had people ask if they can borrow my laptop to check their email or read the NY Times Online or whatever and I never have my passwords remembered by the computer for that reason. I most definitely wouldn't allow someone else to use my credentials - even if I consider it a 'throwaway' login. They supply their own or not at all.

      The problems arise when people don't assign a good password (my Mom's cell phone pass really was 1234!) and/or don't assign enough importance to their information. (If I had a Myface or Spacebook or whatever-it's-called account, would I really want people potentially messing around with the details? Probably not).

      I recall fellow students at university would often leave their machines logged in and unattended, often also leaving online accounts logged in[0]. Other non-scrupulous students would always descend and make lots of changes and leave their machine with lots of IE windows open with gay porn sites open. The user would return and have the non-envious job of closing all those windows (popups OnClose were very frequent back then) AND then have to meticulously check the details in their various profiles for any errant changes. Even after this many just didn't learn and it was all treated as a 'bit of a joke'.

      [0] Due to the rush to get a computer from the limited stock they would often go to class and forget to lock it. Others didn't lock it anyway because a uni BOFH would often do his reboot-the-locked-machines rounds[1] so it was in their interest (or so they thought) to make the computer look like it was in use and that they had just gone out for a brief moment.

      [1] Even if the evil uni dude missed it other students would have no qualms about simply unplugging the thing.

      Oh and hey great apartment by the way! Loving the decor.

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    95. Re:Sharing passwords by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      That's why you unplug the monitor (or any number of other creative solutions). It looks like it's turned off, and even if somebody wants to mess with the computer, it seems broken, and there's a perfectly good one next to it.

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    96. Re:Sharing passwords by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      One guy did try that but that will only hold off a geek who enjoys fixing things for so long :)

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    97. Re:Sharing passwords by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it never gave me serious problems. Just lock the pc before you unplug the monitor and anyone helpful enough to try fixing it hopefully won't be cruel enough to unplug it after they figure out what you did. The lab monitors either think it's off or don't care to try fixing it... the college has other people for that.

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    98. Re:Sharing passwords by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      "And snooping is almost strictly detrimental. If you feel the need to snoop, you have another concern to address."

      So true.

      i had a gf a few years ago who was fidelity challenged (manic-depressive or bi-polar) and from time to time i'd snoop. Every time i did, i found something bad. What i should have done is thought... if i'm about to do this, it's either because i smell smoke or because i want to. Either way, it bodes poorly.

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    99. Re:Sharing passwords by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      You obviously never went to the same university as I did ;)

      Seriously though, true enough that could work but sadly due to the quite serious (and shocking) shortfall in computers in the labs (and library as it happens), you would be very unlikely to find groups of spare machines unless you got in very early in the morning. (This changed when the labs went 24 hours). This in turn would make people - and the lob monitors - much less forgiving when they found someone intentionally bucking the system.

      I always had my laptop with me so it was never a problem for me and - being of a slightly evil disposition - there was a certain amusement to be had in observing this unceasing battle for machines from afar.

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    100. Re:Sharing passwords by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      Where the hell they went after graduation I'm not sure though. Out in the working world I've only ever encountered male programmers :'(.

      Several lady programmers here at my work. Some are cute, some not so much.

      Dunno if any of the straight ones are single though....

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    101. Re:Sharing passwords by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      But it's hard to find good looking women on slashdot.

      Wait - this isn't a dating site?

      I think that comes under "Stuff that matters"...

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    102. Re:Sharing passwords by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      You clearly do not use your email for anything important, some of us have especially sensitive information at stake.

      and you send it through EMAIL???

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    103. Re:Sharing passwords by gsmraxe · · Score: 1

      Maybe you need a "HowTo" on picking better girlfriends.

    104. Re:Sharing passwords by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I was fortunate to have access to the computer science/engineering labs, which generally weren't full. =)

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    105. Re:Sharing passwords by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Not at all, I'm perfectly serious. I commit fantasy genocide for fun: there's nothing quite as satisfying as loading up needlejets with nerve gas and sending them to target densely populated bases. At my command millions perish and entire continents are sterilised for later resettlement by the Human Hive. Muhahahahaha!

      And if you think fantasy paedophilia should be forbidden, I assume you intend to lock up everyone involved in the popular 'School Disco' club nights. Or is the 'dirty schoolgirl' scenario not 'fantasy paedophilia'? I think someone here's struggling with the distinction between 'fantasy' and 'reality'.

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    106. Re:Sharing passwords by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Why not, how would you do it?
      by post?

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    107. Re:Sharing passwords by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "A gay girl with packet sniffer? "

      Isn't that redundant~

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    108. Re:Sharing passwords by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Thanks for sharing that~

      Jerk.

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    109. Re:Sharing passwords by HalWasRight · · Score: 1

      Maybe we need personals.slashdot.org?

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    110. Re:Sharing passwords by Domo-Sun · · Score: 1

      It just seems bizarre to me how many people think it's normal to give out their password... I've never revealed a password to anyone in my life and never will... Is that really so terribly unusual?

      You were always one of those "special" kids, but we still love you.

    111. Re:Sharing passwords by Domo-Sun · · Score: 1

      many of them are probably under contracts with their governemtn obliging them to go back home for a set number of years after graduation

      Which they no doubt comply with, Because obviously if they don't go back, their family gets tortured.

    112. Re:Sharing passwords by zajal · · Score: 1

      A "4"? That's it? That is the geek reward for a truly committed relationship? Wow. This is so basic to a marriage -- or any such long-term bond -- that I find it extraordinary that it got only a "4" for "Insightful". OMG, /. people: do you realize what this says about you? It says you don't trust anyone with the essential truth of your life. That is so sad. My mate and I have living wills. We can choose when to "pull the plug" (or not) for each other. What kind of superficial relationship can you have that are less trusting than that? I watch porn. (She doesn't.) I have close, sometimes emotionally intimate email correspondence with other women. She could at any moment choose to eavesdrop on those. So what? She is my best friend and I am hers. We don't have secrets, except the birthday-surprise kind, and as "gnick" says, that's easy: just say "It's secret, don't look." The biggest reason we don't usually have sex with other people is that it isn't something we could share easily. That doesn't mean we are joined at the hip, it just means never having to worry about being truthful. (And by the way, we haven't always been totally monogamous, just very out front, so that sexual straying isn't a secret, and doesn't mean betrayal.) Being vulnerable to one another is a kind of freedom, and mutual trust is essential to such vulnerability. And that score of "4" is a sign of someone living so tightly inside their shell that no one else can ever get in. By those standards, this post should get a "1".

    113. Re:Sharing passwords by Nutria · · Score: 1

      popular 'School Disco' club nights.

      It's been a long time since I've been in the club scene.

      Or is the 'dirty schoolgirl' scenario not 'fantasy paedophilia'?

      No, it's not. "As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children".

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    114. Re:Sharing passwords by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Even better; get a wife who is loves the -actual- you. So you don't actually need to hide anything or be ashamed of being who you are. It's not a if there ain't porn on my laptop. She's welcome to have a look if she's in that kinda mood.

      I pity all the guys (A lot !) who are in a relationship, but still feel they need to hide parts of themselves. I'm not ashamed of being me. I don't think you should marry a woman who doesn't like you as YOU.

    115. Re:Sharing passwords by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      absolutely the girls who choose to enter the field are just as capable/incapable as the males, it's just that so few enter.

    116. Re:Sharing passwords by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      Actualy that's the second cours. You can't be evil if you follow the rules of spelling, grammar en proper punctuation, can you?

    117. Re:Sharing passwords by ohmpossum · · Score: 1

      Yeah right. Just try finding one of those. Of the correct sex.

      This summer I met a blonde Unix system administrator in a bar. Well at a meetup.com group in a bar. I was completely speachless for a few seconds. She does exist! I also met a woman who hates Google. But then I also met a woman who sold a $3000+ mac pro for $300 who didn't know what she had. It has been a busy summer. Now my daughter is home for the school year. Game over man! GAME OVER!

      Single Dad and pres of PWP TCN chapter. http://www.pwptcn.com/

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    118. Re:Sharing passwords by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      You are obviously not part of the Borg...

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    119. Re:Sharing passwords by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      "I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law."

      Why limit yourself like this?

    120. Re:Sharing passwords by QuoteMstr · · Score: 1

      Ah, Alpha Centauri: still the best Civ game ever made.

  7. "Without their knowledge..." by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is significantly different than "without their permission." One might be given account/password info for good cause, but the account holder may not be aware of every access. That would constitute "without their knowledge," but implies no impropriety.

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    1. Re:"Without their knowledge..." by srjh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may not even be intentional. If I want to check my account on someone else's computer and get auto-logged in to their account, I'll just log them out first and not bother wasting their time by telling them (after changing their status to something mildly embarrassing, of course).

    2. Re:"Without their knowledge..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have to disagree with your interpretation. If they grant you permission to access it, then they have general knowledge that you're accessing it even if they're unaware of exactly when. I think that's still sufficient enough to be considered "with knowledge".

  8. Spouses/partners by Haoie · · Score: 1

    I guarantee that a good percent of those are the partners of the account owner. Poking around online in their account for whatever reason or another, like keeping tab of their exes.

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  9. Coming from an "Educated Tech Readership" by bitrex · · Score: 1

    Did the folks conducting the survey really believe beforehand that "Educated Tech Readership" and "Band of Merry Thieves" were somehow mutually exclusive? "How could these people be capable of such things?! They use the Internet and read blogs, for goodness sake!"

  10. Insane girlfriends by Butisol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I knew this chick who got her boyfriend's password by looking over his shoulder. She used it well after their relationship ended, out of some mix of jealousy, spite, and hope that they'd be together again. She would make letters from other girls disappear, know when to make inconvenient calls/appearances, and whatever else it is that a manipulative, batshit insane, ex-girlfriend does. It was pretty funny. Point is, I suspect most breaches of passwords are of this sort of nature rather than really sensitive commercial stuff, so it's all lulz and it's all good.

    1. Re:Insane girlfriends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'I knew this chick' = I DID THIS!

    2. Re:Insane girlfriends by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1

      'I knew this chick' = I DID THIS!

      Get real, this is /., no female posts here. Except, um, me. And the woman earlier who claimed to be a lesbian. But other than us, everyone knows that there are no women on /.!

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    3. Re:Insane girlfriends by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I knew this chick who got her boyfriend's password by looking over his shoulder. She used it well after their relationship ended, out of some mix of jealousy, spite, and hope that they'd be together again. She would make letters from other girls disappear, know when to make inconvenient calls/appearances, and whatever else it is that a manipulative, batshit insane, ex-girlfriend does. It was pretty funny. Point is, I suspect most breaches of passwords are of this sort of nature rather than really sensitive commercial stuff, so it's all lulz and it's all good.

      She virtualised his life? That is so cool! Dude, do you have her phone number?

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  11. Just did this with family members' GMail accounts by tdelaney · · Score: 1

    I'm the family support guy, and already had them all with shortcuts specifying https, but I just logged into each of their accounts and configured them to always use https (now the option is available).

  12. girlfriends by edalytical · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My ex used to get mad because I absolutely refused to give her any of my passwords besides my WPA password. She didn't understand security at all. Later I found out she had been reading her boss' private email -- I"m glad I don't trust anyone. Always log out of public computers, never allow them to store private information. It's a good idea to clear private data or reset the browser on public computers as well. If you live with other people or have guest over you should password protect your computer.

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    1. Re:girlfriends by zonky · · Score: 1

      surely if they live with you, they can gain physical access. So passwording is useless?

    2. Re:girlfriends by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      Always log out of public computers, never allow them to store private information.

      Um, lots of public computers are likely storing information about your access whether you "allow" it or not. No?

    3. Re:girlfriends by edalytical · · Score: 1

      Physical access your local files, yes without a doubt. But your account passwords should be stored in some kind of encrypted file. So even if they remove your drive they'd still need a password to get your saved passwords.

      The computer password is really for not allowing someone to use your computer without your permission. Like sitting down at your computer and navigating to Facebook. Not for protecting physical access.

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    4. Re:girlfriends by edalytical · · Score: 1

      That's likely. I think the computers at my university will not store information across sessions. However, some public computers are not set up properly and will ask if you want to store your password or turn on autofill, etc. If you don't trust a computer don't use it, no amount of precautions or rules of thumb will help.

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    5. Re:girlfriends by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So put /home on an encrypted partition and pay attention to your system logs so you know if the machine got shut down while you were away. I think if you're living with a partner who is willing to physically mess with your machines just to read your e-mail, you have bigger problems than keeping your passwords safe anyway.

    6. Re:girlfriends by mxs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My ex used to get mad because I absolutely refused to give her any of my passwords besides my WPA password.

      Those people annoy. A lot.

      She didn't understand security at all. Later I found out she had been reading her boss' private email

      That kind of thing lands people in actual jail with actual bars.

      I"m glad I don't trust anyone.

      I have people I'd trust with every bit of credentials I have, yet I don't give it up to them either. There is simply no need. If it arises, I can reconsider -- or SIMPLY give them their own login.

      Always log out of public computers, never allow them to store private information. It's a good idea to clear private data or reset the browser on public computers as well.

      I don't consider public computers safe, at all. You have no idea what their security policies are, you have no idea who has been tampering with it, you have no idea whether there is a physical keylogger attached somewhere, you have no idea whether the box has a rootkit, etc.
      It's fine for browsing, but only if you don't care that anybody finds out what you are browsing for.

      If you live with other people or have guest over you should password protect your computer.

      100% agreed. Especially on occasions like parties. If your computer provides the entertainment (music), make sure you have it in your sight always -- or make a user account specifically for that, with all other access blocked. Yes, your friends will snoop on you, think it's "funny" to read your mail, mail something from your mail, put something on your website, chat on IRC under your name, snoop around in your cache, look for porn on your computer, etc. I don't know why that is, but even friends I'd call upstanding, usually responsible people can sometimes give in to this.

      The flipside is that I know user credentials for, probably, dozens of people -- or knew them at some point. People do give up their login info, their "standard" password, etc. easily if you help them fix their computer, fix their problem, or show them stuff. I make a point of forgetting them (and never using them outside that incident), but in some cases that's just not possible (you probably know "that guy" who uses a simple password for everything from his user account password to his homebanking PIN ...). I suspect many people in support positions are in the same position. That's a lot of trust and responsibility which is easily (and often untracably) abused.

      Then think of system administrators -- do you know who has root on all the mailservers your mail may be passing through ? System- and Network-administrators can untracably read pretty much everything that is going on on their network. Often, people do not even realize that this is the case. I suspec this is why end-to-end cryptography is just not a hot topic with many, many people -- they simply do not realize who all has access to their (private) stuff. And if they do, they might still use the same password for their GPG passphrase as their POP3 account as their various forum passwords. Whoops.

    7. Re:girlfriends by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OTOH if you live with a partner and you do not trust them in so far as that you have to do all those steps, you also have bigger problems.

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    8. Re:girlfriends by DeadManCoding · · Score: 1

      Quite frankly, I'm the same way. I have FF delete all personal data on close, and run PasswordSafe. I keep the master password different from the rest, and keep most of the other passwords the same, with some slight variation. Sorry, but I don't trust anyone. I've been burned enough times to know better.

      I had a really psychotic ex get into my email and posted all of my personal stuff on her blog. Needless to say, don't trust anyone until you really know them.

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    9. Re:girlfriends by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      I have people I'd trust with every bit of credentials I have, yet I don't give it up to them either.

      I'd say that's almost tautological. The people I'm likely to trust with my passwords are, almost by definition, those who don't need them. :)

    10. Re:girlfriends by geekoid · · Score: 1

      She may not have understood security, but you don't understand relationships.
      Your post hoc rational changes nothing.

      Why would you be in a relationship with someone you can't trust on your computer...and trust is what security is about.

      My wife knows all my passwords, and this is good.

      You trust someone enough to sleep in a bed with them, but not enough to give them a password?

      Man, your priorities are odd.

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    11. Re:girlfriends by chris.evans · · Score: 1

      I used to have my computer run a telecom script that would page me when it was rebooted.

  13. Complete nonsense by e2d2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm calling bullshit on this one. 42%? yeah right. Maybe parents checking up on their kid's habits but even then I can't see almost _half_ of the world's internet users using another person's account.

    But that's the thing, the poll doesn't infer that it's all web users, just people that visit that website. The write up is incorrect.

    This is so lame I'm having a hard time not laughing. Is this the best we can get? How does this tripe pass the test to be posted on slashdot, and not in the idle section?

    1. Re:Complete nonsense by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      +1 Agree. 42% sounds like bullshit.

    2. Re:Complete nonsense by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "How does this tripe pass the test to be posted on slashdot"

      Slashdot have a test?

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    3. Re:Complete nonsense by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How does this tripe pass the test to be posted on slashdot, and not in the idle section?

      But, but, but, Slashdot is one big idle section! People have been wasting their time here for ten years!

    4. Re:Complete nonsense by LunarCrisis · · Score: 1

      Slashdot have a test?

      Ugh. . . apparently not.

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    5. Re:Complete nonsense by unitron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe he are British.

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    6. Re:Complete nonsense by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      I would say only if those 42% use easy to guess passwords or are stupid enough to save the passwords in their web browsers and email programs. Then again if a majority of computer users aren't smart enough to use a hard to guess password and aren't paranoid enough to avoid saving passwords in web browsers and email programs, they deserve to have their significant others snooping around their web and email accounts.

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    7. Re:Complete nonsense by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      He are but was raised in Oz.

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    8. Re:Complete nonsense by FornaxChemica · · Score: 1

      Must have been only one guy using 42% of the respondents' accounts.

    9. Re:Complete nonsense by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I'm calling bullshit on this one. 42%? yeah right. Maybe parents checking up on their kid's habits but even then I can't see almost _half_ of the world's internet users using another person's account.

      But that's the thing, the poll doesn't infer that it's all web users, just people that visit that website. The write up is incorrect.

      You are very correct there - most people don't understand statistics; let alone what constitutes a statistically valid sample.

      The again, the press, in general, never let that stand in the way of an interesting headline.

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    10. Re:Complete nonsense by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it is surprising that half of the internet users don't protect their password, as well as that half of them read other's email. A while ago a friend asked to back up her e-mail (exactly because it contained sensitive information). This involved copying it to my HD. If I didn't delete it yet, it is probably still there. Never considered to take a look at it, even if it is easily accessible with no-one ever finding out.

    11. Re:Complete nonsense by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      You do realize, of course, that 88.3% of all statistics are made up?

    12. Re:Complete nonsense by zobier · · Score: 1

      Do you mean he were raised in Oz?

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  14. Good payback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Had a girlfriend who turned out to be promiscuous. She used the same password for everything, or a very small variation. (1-2 characters)
    I helped her out with her bills from time to time, and upon returning to Afghanistan (after a horrible R&R due to her promiscuity) I mass-messaged everyone on her Yahoo Messenger with a message that accurately portrayed her character resulting in some fun phone calls for her.
    I believe that this was very ethical and appropriate for the relationship. The other option of over-drafting her checking account by paying her credit card would have been extreme.

    1. Re:Good payback by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Had a girlfriend who turned out to be promiscuous. She used the same password for everything, or a very small variation.

      That's not all she used for everything....

    2. Re:Good payback by sking · · Score: 1

      aw jeez!

      that's my mom you're talkin' about, you insensitive clod!

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  15. Bugmenot by gringer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    does bugmenot count?

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    1. Re:Bugmenot by palndrumm · · Score: 1

      Posting to undo accidental moderation (hit 'Overrated' instead of 'Underrated').

    2. Re:Bugmenot by chubs730 · · Score: 1

      If it's a really low level. Most of the sites on bugmenot with passwords are for sites that really don't need user accounts, that's the point of it. Sites like Facebook are mostly blocked out of the system, and I'd imagine that if there's any site that could do more damage (real damage, such as financially) there would be a better security system in place than name and password.

    3. Re:Bugmenot by zobier · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine that if there's any site that could do more damage (real damage, such as financially) there would be a better security system in place than name and password.

      I LOLed

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  16. Statistically speaking... by actionbastard · · Score: 1

    Four out of five /. users know the passwords for eighty percent of their friends or family and probably could hack the rest if the other twenty percent didn't use a master password to protect their other passwords.

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    1. Re:Statistically speaking... by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, they also say that 75% of all statistics are made up...

      Joking aside, there's something to be said for ethics. Sure, I know tons of passwords. But I would never use them without permission or for a reason other than what they were given to me for.

    2. Re:Statistically speaking... by actionbastard · · Score: 1

      Four out of five /. users would recognize this post as sarcasm. You must be new around here. Oh, and BTW, not all of us around here with high IDs are n00bs.

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    3. Re:Statistically speaking... by Xuranova · · Score: 1

      4 out of 5 /. ers with high IDs are though.

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    4. Re:Statistically speaking... by againjj · · Score: 1

      The question "Have you ever logged into someone's email or social networking account without his or her knowledge?" does not imply "use [passwords] without permission or for a reason other than what they were given". My wife and I have both logged into the other's email account without knowledge, but we have given each other permission to do so.

  17. What were the survey questions? by Dan+B. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Like all surveys that want to portray a 'shocking' result, it all comes down to the wording of the questions. It is very easy to get a respondent to tick yes on a question that asks "do you log in to other people's accounts" by first baiting them with a whole bunch of rubbish like "do you help others with their IT issues" and so on.

    Without the actual survey, the results are, in my opinion, just as good as made up.

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    1. Re:What were the survey questions? by narcberry · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I love that they surveyed the readers of an IT website, and present the results implying all internet users, and go further to highlight social networking accounts.

      Should read, "42% of IT professionals have accessed someone else's e-mail account without their knowledge."

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    2. Re:What were the survey questions? by permaculture · · Score: 1

      Here's a lighthearted example of questions squewing poll results. From 'Yes Minister'.

      ___________________________
      Sir Humphrey: "You know what happens: nice young lady comes up to you. Obviously you want to create a good impression, you don't want to look a fool, do you? So she starts asking you some questions: Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the number of young people without jobs?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a lack of discipline in our Comprehensive schools?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership in their lives?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Do you think they respond to a challenge?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Would you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Oh...well, I suppose I might be."

      Sir Humphrey: "Yes or no?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Of course you would, Bernard. After all you told you can't say no to that. So they don't mention the first five questions and they publish the last one."

      Bernard Woolley: "Is that really what they do?"

      Sir Humphrey: "Well, not the reputable ones no, but there aren't many of those. So alternatively the young lady can get the opposite result."

      Bernard Woolley: "How?"

      Sir Humphrey: "Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the growth of armaments?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Do you think it is wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"

      Bernard Woolley: "Yes"

      Sir Humphrey: "There you are, you see Bernard. The perfect balanced sample."

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    3. Re:What were the survey questions? by Dan+B. · · Score: 1

      I remember that episode; pure gold. That was exactly what prompted my original reply.

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  18. The statistics are baseless... by themoneyish · · Score: 1

    because the story doesn't really tell how many of 42% of users were granted the passwords earlier. I mean if husbands and wives go into each others accounts or if someone has given her password earlier to someone and this person logs into her account later on without her knowledge, this action can't really be constituted as invasion of privacy, because the password was granted. IMHO anyways...

  19. Did it to nuke a MySpace account by AaronW · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once had to do this. Some idiot on MySpace set their account to use one of my email addresses. Repeated requests to Myspace went unanswered, so I just used the password recovery tool to change it and promptly deleted his account. Problem solved.

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    1. Re:Did it to nuke a MySpace account by joeava · · Score: 1

      next time, lock that account and sell back to him/her.

    2. Re:Did it to nuke a MySpace account by Shag · · Score: 1

      I had to do it repeatedly on Friendster, since a group of friends (no doubt drawn together by their shared interest in being clueless) decided to repeatedly set up accounts using made-up local-parts in a domain I owned... and I had a catch-all on email.

      Being given the chance to modify someone's profile on a social networking site, and send any kind of messages to their friends, certainly is good exercise for the ol' creativity.

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    3. Re:Did it to nuke a MySpace account by thermian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A student I failed on a course did that to me once, using my email address to set up a sale on ebay that they then screwed buyers over with, to try and cause me trouble.

      I didn't think to use password recovery, but I did send ebay an email detailing the account, and the fraud.

      No idea what happened after that, but the emails from 'customers' stopped.

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    4. Re:Did it to nuke a MySpace account by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Ive gotten into people's myspace accounts because they have used "temporary" email accounts that dont need a password.

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  20. Recursive statistics by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    How many of survey respondents were logged into someone else's account and answering that way to make them look bad?

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  21. I don't even know my own passwords by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    Seriously, besides by local logins (and keepass password), all my other passwords are random hashes stored in keepass.

    Of course, I'm tied to keepass, but I figure since it's ported to all my systems up to and including my cell phone, I'm not too worried.

    1. Re:I don't even know my own passwords by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Backup your database. Often.

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    2. Re:I don't even know my own passwords by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Well that goes without saying. DB is on RAID 10, backed up to phone whenever docked, USB stick nightly and external HDD weekly.

  22. How many percent? by Haxx · · Score: 1

      42%?

      Please. Delete this right away. did you mean 4.2%?

    1. Re:How many percent? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Nah. It was just one guy who had the passwords of 42% of the Internet's users. He logged on to each of their accounts and answered this survey in the affirmative.

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  23. Ummmm Accuracy? by JWman · · Score: 1

    Online surveys should NEVER be taken seriously. At BEST they can only be taken as an interesting side note. Drawing conclusions from an entirely self-selecting group is one of the worst statistical methods possible.

  24. Ok, fess up. by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which one of you got hold of CmdrTaco's password and posted all these lame stories?

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    1. Re:Ok, fess up. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      More like:

      who stole Taco's password and posted that one awesome story back in 2002?
      And why the hell haven't they done it since?

      I keed, I keed. Taco's a very good eidtor.

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  25. Hey please check my email for me by ilovesymbian · · Score: 1

    Hey please check my email for me. If I have any new mail, please copy/paste the contents here. My password is 'iamalazybum'. Thank you very much kind sirs.

    1. Re:Hey please check my email for me by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Hey please check my email for me. If I have any new mail, please copy/paste the contents here. My password is 'iamalazybum'. Thank you very much kind sirs.

      You had only one:

      WINNING NOTIFICATION.

      We are pleased to inform you of the final announcement of the UK ONLINE PROMO
      AWARDS, held on the 17TH AUGUST, 2008. You have be awarded the sum of £500,000GBP(Five
      Hundred thousand Pounds Sterling).

      All participants for the online version were selected randomly from the World
      Wide Web through a computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000
      unions, associations, and corporate bodies that are listed online. This
      promotion takes place weekly.

      Please note that your lucky winning number falls within our European booklet
      representative office in the United Kingdom as indicated in your play coupon.
      In view of this, your £500,000GBP(Five Hundred thousand Pounds Sterling),
      would be released to you by any of our payment offices in the United Kingdom.

      Please you are advice to complete the form and send it immediately to our
      Promotion manager through email for prompt collection of your fund.

      To process for your claim, you are advise to fill the form below and send to
      our fiduciary agent for your Claims verification:

      1. Full Names:
      2. Address:
      3. Age:
      4. Sex:
      5. Marital Status:
      6. Occupation:
      7. Phone numbers:
      8. Country:

      Mr ROBENCOLE.
      Email: robencole@hotmail.com

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  26. AC by Samah · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wish people would stop using Anonymous Coward's account. He doesn't even have a password!

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  27. and... by b1gb1rd · · Score: 1

    I have sex with two new women every day.

    1. Re:and... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      So, you have allot of Brothels in your neighbourhood.

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    2. Re:and... by b1gb1rd · · Score: 1

      It's a lie. That's why I love hearing surveys based on nothing other than a pencil mark.

  28. I cry "BS!" by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe this. They say that 42% of the people that they asked had used another person's password or account. And the people asked are all internet users.

        It is a logical fault to assume from these two statements that 42% of all internet users have used another person's password or account for unethical purposes.

        What was the sample audience? Were they all students simply using each other's common passwords to peek into each other's love notes? The article gives that impression and then posts a headline that implies that 42% of ALL INTERNET USERS are dangerous highly-advanced techno-crackers who can and would empty your bank account at any time that they would choose.

        Another example of deliberate media exaggeration and fear-mongering over an activity that, when examined, turns out to be a whole lot of nothing. Is Fox News behind this? Or just some schmuck desperate for a story to file?

        Crying wolf destroys the perception of journalistic integrity for everyone.

    1. Re:I cry "BS!" by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Crying wolf destroys the perception of journalistic integrity for everyone.

      There's a site for that.

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    2. Re:I cry "BS!" by houghi · · Score: 1

      journalistic integrity

      Sounds like "military intelligence".

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    3. Re:I cry "BS!" by h4xor+ch1x · · Score: 1

      The one thing nobody's suggested yet is other people who simply leave themselves logged on to public or shared computers - I've been on my sister's Facebook and IM, my dad's email and IM, and my roommate's facebook, IM, Google, Yahoo, email, and Youtube accounts from when her computer was broken and she asked to borrow mine, then left herself logged in (Of course, I only let them on the guest account, as my personal account has a password on it). Short of an April Fool's joke involving my sister's buddy icon, though, I didn't actually do anything, just looked around a bit...

  29. The Law by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

    Of those 42%, how many are aware that technically they could be prosecuted under various laws regarding hacking and system intrusion? They could go to jail. It's highly unlikely, of course, but if they get caught in the wrong situation by the wrong prosecutor, it could happen.

    1. Re:The Law by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      You don't go to jail for fucking with people's accounts.

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  30. sharing passwords by pxc · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine and I have shared passwords for years (we used to just log in to each other's email to read sets of messages (stupid, I know)). The thing is just that we never record the passwords and mine have become really complex over the years so he never bothers to remember them. The end result is that I know all of his passwords and he knows none of mine. :-D

  31. Makes sense to me... by Perf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything, wouldn't it also follow that 42% is the universal statistic?

  32. I think ... by SlashDev · · Score: 1

    .. many people in the polls are simply show offs, hoping to be labelled as hackers, not that hacking is a good thing, but you know... "Have you ever access someone else's email without their knowledge?" "(with a proud smirk) sure!!"

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  33. I have a question then by rpillala · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At my job, we have a secure database where each person has their own credentials to get in. As a troubleshooter for my work site, I have an administrative set of credentials that allows me to access everyone's records in case they run into problems that they want me to fix. The system logs changes to the records, so if they change something it tracks to them, and if I change something in their records it tracks to me.

    My administrative credentials are not under my control, i.e. I can't set my own password. The people at the next level up can do this, but I cannot.

    This seems wrong to me, but when I try and explain this to people they don't see the same issue that I do. Namely, a password is pointless if someone else knows it. Whatever my superiors can do with my login, they can just as well do with theirs. I've known them for a while and have no reason to suspect any malfeasance, but that's not how you design security.

    My sister is in a similar situation at her work where the IT department determines everyone's passwords. I was trying to convince her that this was less than ideal, and she just boggled at me. She works in politics and there's a lot of potential for spying from a rival party. If IT sets and can retrieve anyone's password (which they can in this instance), they could easily frame someone else for this kind of espionage by impersonating them. That's not to mention that if passwords are stored someplace on the system in an easily readable format, that's certainly a flaw in the security design.

    Maybe I'm alarmed over nothing, but I don't think so.

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    1. Re:I have a question then by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You do need more then one person to know administrators password, or any critical persons passwords.

      Even if two people know it, and it's locked in a safe.

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    2. Re:I have a question then by rpillala · · Score: 1

      I see your point about passwords for people who have access that no one else has. If something were to happen (and things do happen) it's important for someone to be able to gain access to certain systems.

      My "admin" credentials don't rise to that level and certainly not my sister who is a user like all the other users at her work. It's not as though we are able to apply encryption to our records. We access a frontend for data entry and report generation.

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  34. Re:I do this all the time... by Icarium · · Score: 1

    Oh and for those that think it's naughty for me to login via their account details - it's in my terms of membership - if you're a scammer/spammer, then you permit me to login and do the stuff I do...

    Good luck getting that to stand up in court.

  35. It's times like this... by Handlarn · · Score: 1

    It's times like this when I'm glad I don't have any friends.

  36. 42 = the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Am I the only one who has noticed the 42. 42 is the meaning of life. The meaning of life is identity fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything

  37. girlfirends watchnig by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    was this done to watch what the girlfriend is doing in their room while not there???

  38. sudo by andi75 · · Score: 1

    We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
    Administrator. It usually boils down to these two things:

            #1) Respect the privacy of others.
            #2) Think before you type.

  39. relationship issues? by sckeener · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think those numbers are high, but I can understand it if they aren't. They mirror the divorce rate numbers.

    Here's my tale of woe:

    I feel horrible. I broke my own morals during my divorce. My ex threatened to have a PI follow me and just having that possibility hanging over my head ate away at me. I can justify it, but it still wasn't right...I gained access to her emails just to see if she was spying on me...it sucked.

    All it did for me was make me feel worse about myself.

    To anyone thinking about doing the same, I strongly recommend not doing it. Even if it wasn't against the law, nothing good is going to come from it. It won't make breaking up easier.

    Over the years I've had many people come up to me and ask me how to do such things, I've always told them not to try....for one thing it isn't admissible in court and another it won't make you feel any better.

    I know...I've been there and done it...I regret it and wish I could undo it. Now I'll have to live with it for the rest of my life. A divorce is a major life event and emotions run high.

    My one advice for anyone going through a divorce is to not do anything that you will feel bad about years later and by that I mean don't break any moral codes that you would have had during the good years.

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    1. Re:relationship issues? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I gained access to her emails just to see if she was spying on me...it sucked.

      All it did for me was make me feel worse about myself.

      To anyone thinking about doing the same, I strongly recommend not doing it.

      While not quite the same thing, I suspected my ex-wife of shennanigans so I turned on the AOL Instant Messenger feature that keeps a record of chats. I found out all the details of how she was cheating on me. I didn't feel one bit of remorse for doing so. Maybe if I had to hack into her email or something like that I might have felt worse about it.

    2. Re:relationship issues? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "for one thing it isn't admissible in court .."

      that's not always true. During a divorce is can be used to show character or intent.

      It can also be used if you had permission, implied or otherwise.

      So, someone said the were spying on you and you wanted to find out. Seems to me you did the right thing.
      I just don't know why you would feel bad about that. Maybe for the same reason most men in a divorces basically let themselves become whipped dogs.

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    3. Re:relationship issues? by sckeener · · Score: 1

      "for one thing it isn't admissible in court .."

      that's not always true. During a divorce is can be used to show character or intent.

      It can also be used if you had permission, implied or otherwise.

      So, someone said the were spying on you and you wanted to find out. Seems to me you did the right thing.
      I just don't know why you would feel bad about that. Maybe for the same reason most men in a divorces basically let themselves become whipped dogs.

      Maybe...but you'd have to get over this:
      http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002701----000-.html

      TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 121 > Â 2701
      Prev | Next
      Â 2701. Unlawful access to stored communications
      How Current is This?
      (a) Offense.â" Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoeverâ"
      (1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or
      (2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;
      and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
      (b) Punishment.â" The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section isâ"
      (1) if the offense is committed for purposes of commercial advantage, malicious destruction or damage, or private commercial gain, or in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or any Stateâ"
      (A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of a first offense under this subparagraph; and
      (B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense under this subparagraph; and
      (2) in any other caseâ"
      (A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 1 year or both, in the case of a first offense under this paragraph; and
      (B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of an offense under this subparagraph that occurs after a conviction of another offense under this section.
      (c) Exceptions.â" Subsection (a) of this section does not apply with respect to conduct authorizedâ"
      (1) by the person or entity providing a wire or electronic communications service;
      (2) by a user of that service with respect to a communication of or intended for that user; or
      (3) in section 2703, 2704 or 2518 of this title.

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  40. Yeah .. and .. by mordred99 · · Score: 1

    I do it for my kids. I am the one that can fix settings for them in their web mail accounts from school. I can manage their school lunch money better than they can. I can manage their bank accounts online. I do it for my parents. They live with me a few months out of the year but I pay their bills when they are away the other 10 months a year. I log on to their bank account and pay their bills. I think it is all in the context. My parents don't know I logged into their bank account (and my son's for that matter) and paid bills and transferred funds around. So technically I did it without their knowledge but not without their permission. The question was asked, without their knowledge. I know a lot of spouses that check their hubby's or wifey's email for them.

  41. is stupidity being measured in this as well? by pryoplasm · · Score: 1

    username: username
    password: password

    how many websites can be gotten into with this simple combination is astounding....

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  42. Not really suprising. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    I know most of my family members' passwords. I've also logged into someone's facebook account because the browser remembered their password and poked all 300~ of their friends. It was kind of funny... next time they logged in they had a few hundred return pokes, IIRC. Fun harmless stuff for the most part, but yeah, I'm part of that 42%.

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  43. Browser passwords by Net_fiend · · Score: 1

    are saved quiet often. It reminds me of my sister who being the bright one she is left her facebook open at the Apple store. For several days people kept changing her status, some of them quiet humerous I have to add. Eventually someone kind enough changed her status to state that she shouldn't leave facebook open at the Apple store. Apparently she merely closed the browser thinking somehow that would fix the issue. I had to explain to here she needed to clear the cookies and temp files is she was doing this on a public machine. Then I scolded her for even logging into an app like that on a public machine. Yeesh.

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    1. Re:Browser passwords by ilovesymbian · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised people were so nice that they only changed her status.

      My friend wasn't so lucky - they put p0rn pics in her profile and spammed her profile to the point of her having to shut down her account in disgust.

      Well, its her fault anyway. She knows what to do now - use a LiveCD. :)

  44. Re: not exactly sneaking by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    and was enjoying pleasuring herself naked in chatrooms.

    My only question is why weren't you enjoying it as well?

  45. Context by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

    Agreed that this is bullshit, but the wording and context were not misleading. FWIW, here's the original poll in its entirety.
    Of course, this is some shitty little website doing a poll of it's own readership, with less than 400 total replies. Given the sample size, I'd say these results are even more useless than a Slashdot Poll... which I suppose would require some negative amount of usefulness.

    1. Re:Context by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      Whoops, lemme narrow down that range: "less than 300 total replies".
      How does crap like this get onto the front page? Do the results of Slashdot's own completely useless polls become front page stories? It really seems to me that any idiot who creates some crappy little website and submits some bullshit, sensationalist story has a pretty good chance of making it onto the front page. I've given up on the idea that Slashdot's editors are capable of discerning a quality story from diarrhea, but I'm even losing faith in the ability of the firehose to screen the crap out. Seriously, what kind of idiots do we have monitoring the firehose? A bunch of Zonk's alts? (Sorry about the cheap shot but it had to be said)

  46. It happened to me with /. by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Some Jackhole was using my account to make some pretty vile remarks. The odd thing is, I don't know who, or how they got my password.

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  47. Of course this happens... by Schmyz · · Score: 1

    ...they are called WIVES!!!

  48. better summary by vldmr_krn · · Score: 1

    "42% of nearly 300 readers of Internet Evolution who weighed in readily admit to it -- and this is coming from an educated tech-readership, not a band of merry thieves (or so we thought...)"

    This story clearly wasn't posted because an intelligent person decided other intelligent people would find it worthwhile. I like how "An anonymous reader writes" it. If samzenpus is trying to bone Nicole Ferraro, he's a snake, and I hope Nicole Ferraro finds out how inappropriately he acted. Is it hard to find good slashdot editors? They are the foundation of the site. They keep the worthwhile members around.