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What To Do With All of My Gadget Chargers?

legoman666 writes "On my desk I have chargers for the following gadgets: Nokia N810, LG Chocolate, Sony Ericcson Z310a, Canon Powershot SD1000, Cowan iAudio X5L, Lenovo Thinkpad, Logitech MX1000 and my Nintendo DS. Not a single pair of them share a similar connector. I have two power strips whose singular purpose is to energize these chargers. My question to Slashdot is: How do you organize all of your different chargers? Please, share your secrets."

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  1. Insomnia by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Funny

    I organize mine alphabetically by manufacturer. It gives me something to do on the nights that I can't sleep.

    But no matter how sleep-deprived I am, I would never submit such drivel to slashdot, nor, were I an editor, would I post it.

    1. Re:Insomnia by b4upoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Organizing those dongles is beyond human efforts. The only real way to deal with those stupid things is to have a tray beneath the rear of the desk to keep their power strips hidden. Then run the wires underneath the desktop and fish the ends up through a hole near where you will plug in the gimmicks that use them.
                Every time I look at mine I feel guilty for not having a smoke alarm hanging above them.

    2. Re:Insomnia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree as well, lame stories such as this shouldn't ever be posted to the front page of Slashdot! On the other hand, whining about which stories and questions are posted, and 'me too' replies to them, keep me fascinated, please tell us more of your expert editing opinions. If at all possible, please continue to do so without any humor, off hand insight, or any other redeemable content, as we all are better knowing that you too, have felt like your time is wasted.

    3. Re:Insomnia by Sj0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That seems like a silly thing to say.

      Just use the USB charger for everything. I know my camera, my phone, my mp3 player, and my Nintendo DS all charge off my USB.

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    4. Re:Insomnia by madmoravian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about something like this gadget station? http://thewoodwhisperer.com/episode-57-gadget-station-pt-1/

    5. Re:Insomnia by maxume · · Score: 4, Funny

      Getting a USB port installed in your body also seems like a drastic step.

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  2. Through them out by rolfc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't need all those gadgets, and you would save your self a lot of money in the future.

    1. Re:Through them out by Xiph · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or as the khalif of baghdad, when it was taken by mongolian forces.

      You should be placed in a tower, with all your gadges, and the the doors should be sealed, and all the windows should be barred, and you would no bread nor water delivered for thirty days, for you are so happy for your gadgets, that i can only conclude you can live on them!

      There, i've made a reference to Marco Polo on slashdot, although sort of half-assed but hey...

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  3. side by side!! by Unclenefeesa · · Score: 3, Funny

    on a longer power strip would be an obvious solution !!

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    1. Re:side by side!! by anss123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've noticed that the power warts get quite hot. I'm not comfortable keeping them plugged in all the time. On off switches on the strip is in this case useless since you need to keep it on almost always (since something is charging). Ahh, luxury problems. Aren't they sweet?

    2. Re:side by side!! by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meh, I modified a drawer in my "back of the couch table" to have a power strip in it, I then tied up all the plugs with tyewraps and made a charging drawer. Open drawer, plug in and charge item/items. Attached to the power strip is a $3.95 light timer that turns the strip on and off. On an hour before I get home and off when I leave for work. This works great and reduces the parasitic load on my electric bill. Plus everything is out of sight.

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    3. Re:side by side!! by MagdJTK · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've noticed that the power warts get quite hot.

      Indeed. And all that heat is wasting a lot of energy. Everyone should turn things they're not using off at the wall (or unplug them of course). It's incredible the amount of energy that's being wasted in this way.

  4. News for nerds? by Kuroji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or stuff that matters? I'm trying to figure out which this falls under, because it doesn't look like it's remotely close to either of them.

    1. Re:News for nerds? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some of use nerds have "wives", and desks messed up with mountains of chargers has a low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor)... Anything with a low WAF will lower the chances of wife-provided entertainment, a.k.a. sex.

      It matters, my friend. It truly matters. ;)

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    2. Re:News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, a newlywed I see.

      chance_of_sex = 1 / (year_of_marriage + number of children - WAF/1000)

      As you can see, prior to marriage, a high WAF can actually be detrimental (she'll think you are gay). But after a few years of marriage and/or children the WAF becomes all but meaningless.

    3. Re:News for nerds? by DoktorTomoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How eerily accurate, even for the Wife Beta-version (aka. "SignificantOther")

    4. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      And some wives have their own "gadgets" that require chargers.

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    5. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, because the government should mandate things like that.

      That's the first insightful comment you have ever made, #1345021.

      That's exactly the kind of thing government should mandate, just like the shape of the plug that goes into the wall and the gauge of wire that should be built into new houses.

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    6. Re:News for nerds? by Random+Walk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, no children I see.

      chance_of_sex = 1 / (year_of_marriage + 5*number of children - WAF/1000)

    7. Re:News for nerds? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, because governments, particularly the Chinese one, have never ever been abused by a dominant company to exclude any competition. Who holds the patents on USB chargers? This admiration of the totalitarian government of China is baffling.

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    8. Re:News for nerds? by Kibblet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have more gadgets than Mr. Kibblet. Two laptops, my cell phone (and the kids have one each, so that's three), my PDA, and two laptops. Oh, a camera, a carpet sweeper and my hand vac. He just has a cell phone. I believe Martha Stewart made a cute little container to deal with this problem. Put the powerstrip inside a box you decorated, and drill holes for the wires to come out of. I've seen stuff like this for sale, too. They are called CHARGING STATIONS. They've been around for ages. (Some fancypants stores call them "Charging Valets".) Next someone will be asking where we can buy stuff to cover our feet when we leave the house or something.

    9. Re:News for nerds? by MartinB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us have "wives"

      You're new here, aren't you? Either she goes, or we revoke your /. login.

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    10. Re:News for nerds? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      After being married for 20 years, the gadget my wife needs are powered by 2-stroke gasoline engines. During the summer when we have the windows open, the neighbors sometimes ask why we're running our lawnmower indoors.

      And let me tell you, it's not easy yanking the starter cord when I'm wearing handcuffs.

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  5. organize them according to their risk level by extirpater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Risk of Exploding
    1- nokia
    2- dell
    3- sony
    4...

    1. Re:organize them according to their risk level by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't get it. Any vertical list of positive integers on /. should include ??? and Profit! What gives?

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  6. USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pack them all away and get USB charging cables for them all. Much easier and takes up much less space.

    1. Re:USB by Barny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And will make your USB power fall over and die and blow something up, very creative and "performance art".

      Better:

      500W PSU
      a pair of side cutters
      soldering iron
      a terminal block
      tons of heat-shrink

      Select and solder some heatsinked resistors over the 12v and 5v rails so that you are sinking an amp in each (switchmode PSUs need a constant load).

      Next tap wires for different chargers, 12v and 5v are easy (as almost all are now) 3.3 and 12v will give you around 9v, 5v and 12v will give you 7.

      Then all you need is a nice little cabinet with some ventilation and one power lead and you can dump all your junk in there to charge and GO THE FUCK OUTSIDE AND LEAVE THEM BEHIND!

      A phone, an mp3 player and a camera should do anyone, heck some phones can be your mp3 and camera too now.

      And if you can't follow even a bit of what I said, don't try it :)

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    2. Re:USB by SpooForBrains · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you can get hold of a Blackberry Travel Charger, it serves as a very handy charging plug for all your USB powered devices. Except Sony Ericssons, which, for some reason, will ONLY charge from USB if the USB cable is connected to an actual computer.

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    3. Re:USB by Mike89 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except Sony Ericssons, which, for some reason, will ONLY charge from USB if the USB cable is connected to an actual computer.

      Another reason I regret buying one :(. My Creative Zen Vision M is the same, which is a PITA. Damn gadget designers, get a clue!

    4. Re:USB by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, replace a wasteful solution with an even more wasteful one. Running a 500W power supply to supply maybe 20 W on average, dumping another 20W into resistors plus the internal losses of the power supply. It also won't take up less space than the wall warts you replace, plus it requires active cooling (another component to go wrong in the long term, and drive you crazy with noise in the meantime).

      Also, you hardly ever need to charge all your gadgets at once, making your concerns a bit unlikely. And if you overload the USB on a computer, you get a message and the offending port is cut off, instead of smoking the power supply. If you need more power, get a powered hub.

    5. Re:USB by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My Verizon phone (a RAZR), has a USB charging port on it, but will NOT accept any other USB charger. If I try to use my Blackberry charger the phone says something like "Unauthorized charger detected" and refuses to charge.

      I'm tempted to call their support line and ask how I can 'authorize' a different charger for my phone.

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  7. Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by DJProtoss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes the charge rate is slower, but you need far fewer plugs - I've managed to get usb chargers for all my gadgets ( ds included ) and net result is I only need to manage one plug for the server. ( the number of usb cables is a different question, but they are much easier to manage ).

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    1. Re:Wherever possible, use usb chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Genius! I can charge my thinkpad from my thinkpad's USB port! Could this be the solution to the world's energy problems?

  8. Randomly by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I store all my chargers in a drawer. Each time I need one I sort throught them, untangle the wires and curse about it.

  9. a great post by QX-Mat · · Score: 3, Funny

    forget the nay sayers... I for one want to see what the /. community do. Do they run a DC ring around the house? Strip the wires and fudge some coins together to make a potential divider? replace the transformers with rodent power?

    I have 4 USB hdds that I've not gotten around to putting in a case yet, because I dont have the cash for a mixed sata/ide jbod server, all of which need their own adaptor. I have a headset that needs an adaptor. My phone charger, and mp3 charger. That's some 7 sockets I'm using on 8 socket power strip, with the 8th going to a another 4 socket in serial to power my PC and high-fi (i know you shouldn't have power strips in parallel... but pfft, im not running a kettle off it like at Uni :D)

    it is a problem. step down transformers are notoriously wasteful. There has to be a better way!?

  10. Disassemble them all! by ThomsonsPier · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cut off the plugs from all of the cables and solder all of the wires to the output of one transformer, thus enabling you to simultaneously charge all of your devices and cook your dinner on the monstrosity you now have plugged into the wall.

    You may wish to update your fire insurance.

  11. Serious issue! by Swizec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging? There's no excuse! If all manufacturers could agree on the USB standard then why can't they make a charger standard?

    1. Re:Serious issue! by ex0a · · Score: 5, Funny

      It does raise a serious issue of why the flying fuck in the sky don't gadgets simply have the same bloody connectors for charging? There's no excuse!

      Your question takes two steps to solve. First, hold shift. Second, press 4.

    2. Re:Serious issue! by kmac06 · · Score: 4, Informative

      For one thing, different gadgets require different voltages. If you hook up the wrong voltage, you can fry the gadget. Different size plugs helps to avoid this. Also, different devices require different amperage. There is no reason to make a rectifier that can handle higher amperage that it really needs, since that adds cost.

    3. Re:Serious issue! by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      China has already mandated USB charging for all new mobile phones

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    4. Re:Serious issue! by cheater512 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Boost/Buck converters negate those factors.

      E.g. phones which can charge over USB dont use 5v batteries.

    5. Re:Serious issue! by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      USB spec says half a amp, less means that the device is charged slower.
      Not a big issue.

      And the regulators are mandatory anyway. CPUs dont run on the 3.7v or so of Lithium cells.

    6. Re:Serious issue! by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, AT THE MOMENT.

      There's no reason why gadgets can't be designed around a particular voltage - look at all the stuff you can buy which plugs into car cigarette lighters.

      Being forced to use 12V doesn't seem to slow anybody down.

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    7. Re:Serious issue! by rarel · · Score: 5, Funny

      First, hold shift. Second, press 4.

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

    8. Re:Serious issue! by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One would assume that the manufacturer's motivations remain where they "should" be, to insure profit. If you lose or break a charger, or if it just plain fails, you can either order another one from the manufacturer for some unreasonable amount, or you can buy a whole new unit. I've had to buy a whole new unit on several occasions.

      The packs are almost always marked for voltage and polarity, but the hardware rarely is. (the packs are probably required by UL to be marked) So if you lose the pack you have no idea what the requirements are to replace it yourself. Experimenting is very likely to lead to smoking the equipment. (see first point, I'm sure they're very satisfied with this possibility)

      Most larger airports have a shop that sells a variety of fixed packs and universal packs for travelers that have forgotten to pack the cord to their gadget, cordless razors in particular. I'd be interested to see some input from one of those employees.

      USB only supplies 5vDC nominal, and not at terribly high current, so I don't think that would make a good universal standard. Firewire would be a better choice for current and voltage, but it can vary between what, +12 and +24 or something like that, and isn't nearly as popular to begin with so that's probably also out.

      Many of my toys are 12vDC, of the round pin variety. Polarity is totally random, as is size of the center pin, but many are compatible. If they're going to standardize, this is probably where to go.

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    9. Re:Serious issue! by Bucc5062 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Money. Wo$h is ctl-alt-delete

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    10. Re:Serious issue! by InakaBoyJoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Holy ancient links Batman! If China mandated USB charging for all phones in 2006, are all phones in compliance today?

    11. Re:Serious issue! by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a better idea -- First, hold Alt. Second, press F4. Thanks!

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    12. Re:Serious issue! by Dikeman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know a lobbyist who works for a company that makes connectors. He actively lobbies in Brussels against any standard. That's his daywork, he get's paid to do so. His company has thousands of different connectors in production, and standards would make there business les profitable.

    13. Re:Serious issue! by Mooga · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your main problem is having a Zune. Not that there are many good MP3 options out there since apple started screwing the pooch in an endless loop... Seriously, how can you justify a classic iPod's firmware crashing every few days? It's a MP3 player, OS stability should NOT be an issue.

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    14. Re:Serious issue! by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have owned 3 different Motorola phones and all 3 have used mini USB for charging. All 3 have included or provided a wall-wart charger with a mini USB plug on the end that can charge the phone with no computer needed

    15. Re:Serious issue! by asdir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What ex0a means is that vendors can sell replacements once you lose the original charger. They could not do that if you could simply replace the lost charger by one for another gizmo. However: Has anyone ever thought about the transformer that is connected with the charger? Not all devices need the same voltage (or whatever is transformed). I think that is the main reason for the multitude of chargers. However, ex0a's (well hidden) argument still applies to many similar areas.

    16. Re:Serious issue! by lazybeam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've had several mobile phones from Nokia, and they've all used the same connector (even if the voltage ranges from 3.3 to 5.8 at least it can get you out of trouble). My latest Nokia has a much smaller connector which annoys me. It means I have to carry the charger around instead of just leaving them where I use them (in bedroom, in kitchen, at work...)

      In a related rant, I have several devices that run off 12V. Problem is they use the same connector but some have reverse polarity. Someone has already blown a wireless router by switching its power with a modem's. Even two devices from the same manufacturer suffer this problem (I'm looking at you, D-link). Those DC connectors are good, it would be better is they all had the same polarity!

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    17. Re:Serious issue! by aurispector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Many of my toys are 12vDC, of the round pin variety. Polarity is totally random, as is size of the center pin, but many are compatible. If they're going to standardize, this is probably where to go."

      I keep a well-used voltage tester handy for exactly this reason. This, coupled with an ultra-fine point sharpie marker (those marked "fine" are ballpoints, not markers) means I can mark the volt, amps and polarity somewhere on the device and mark the charger with the device is belongs to - it's amazing how few chargers are marked that way by the manufacturer.

      Rounding out the equipment pack is a hard-to-find 12 VDC car lighter multi voltage converter that has a polarity switch. If a compatible plug isn't already on the converter it isn't hard to figure out which wires to splice. I put on a USB plug, but for items with entirely proprietary connectors you have to sacrifice a wall wart.

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    18. Re:Serious issue! by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Informative

      USB would actually be a good charger standard, for that matter. It works for some phones and cameras (though Moto perverted the spec for the RAZR -- this should be avoided as it is deliberate proprietariness and that's bullshit).

      Anyway, how about some answers? Over at the Gawker Media site Lifehacker, there have been a few suggestions.

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    19. Re:Serious issue! by Knightman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One would assume that the manufacturer's motivations remain where they "should" be, to insure profit. If you lose or break a charger, or if it just plain fails, you can either order another one from the manufacturer for some unreasonable amount, or you can buy a whole new unit. I've had to buy a whole new unit on several occasions.

      When a charger I own breaks or get lost I stroll to the nearest hotel and asks if they got one of the model I need. The hotels are very happy to get rid of them since they usually have bins full of chargers that people have left in their rooms and never claimed.

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    20. Re:Serious issue! by DeathElk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The majority of devices that use USB will charge from the current provided - a defacto power standard. For non USB devices and given the low current requirements of most gadgets, designing the charging/regulation circuitry to a defined standard would be almost trivial. In fact, most use commonly available regulation ICs to save mfg cost.

      Given the increasing onus on manufacturers to provide environmentally conscious disposal for their products, most will eventually opt for a standardised power/charging arrangement. It's a consideration when purchasing that I already make.

      Re. the income from extra adaptor sales aftermarket - the cost of maintaining the supply chain for these items barely justifies making them available at all. Hence the ridiculous prices for OEM chargers.

    21. Re:Serious issue! by gnud · · Score: 5, Funny

      "les Profitable" sounds like a boring musical.

    22. Re:Serious issue! by txoof · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's probably a warranty-security issue here too. Manufactures of higher end devices spec out a third party plug, or have one designed specifically for their product to reduce any problems further down the line. They know exactly what voltage range, quality of full wave rectification, and total amperage their gizmo needs. Since you just paid $400 for your new toy, it sure would suck for both you and the company if your El Cheapomatic Universal Dongleizer provided one of those resources just outside of spec and fried your brand new Thingiee. It's a warranty headache for you and for the company.

      I think companies would be thrilled to stop shipping wall-warts. The cost that is passed on to the consumer could be pocketed and they could also save on packaging, shipping and materials overall. I think it's just too much of a wild-card, in their eyes, to hope that every Universal Wall-Wart is made within spec.

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    23. Re:Serious issue! by stewbee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But this could be a problem if not done properly. Unless you use something like a buck boost converter to step from 12V to 5V or even 3.3V (all common small electronics voltages) you could end up with problems. Suppose the current to this device draws 500 mA and needs the 5V supply and uses a simple LDO regulator to step the voltage down. The power dissipated by the device would then be (12V-5V)*0.5A = 3.5W just in the voltage regulator in addition to the 5V*0.5A = 2.5W load of the device. This LDO is dissipating more power than the actual electronics you want powered!

      Now using a buck-boost regulator (sometimes known as a DC-DC converter) has its own issues. These supplies have some sort of AC source (usually a PWM square wave) to charge reactive components as well as large inductors inductors to store the energy. Both of these have their own issues which are a problem. Square waves are 'noisy' and generate plenty of harmonics. Any consumer electronics device must pass FCC rules for radiated emissions. PWM waves don't help you here. Inductors are frowned on since the can be quite large. They may even have some sort of iron (or similar ferrous material) which will add to the weight so they can increase the inductance. These reasons right here is why most electronics have external regulators; they can do all the hard stuff outside the device they really want to build.

      All of this is just a long winded answer to say that 12V may not be a one size fits all solution. Twelve volts will blow up most integrated circuits requiring the voltage to be stepped down in some fashion.

    24. Re:Serious issue! by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, in some ways many HAVE agreed on a charger standard - and it's USB!

      Manufacturers are starting to realize that charging from standard USB ports is less likely to sell "add-ons" like chargers, but FAR more likely to sell the devices themselves due to issues such as this.

      Even my new Motorola Talkabout FRS radios have Mini-USB ports for the sole purpose of charging.

      Unfortunately manufacturers haven't quite standardized on how to handle "dumb" chargers without violating the USB specification. USB devices are not permitted to draw more than 100 mA without negotiating with a PC for more current. So a manufacturer has three choices:
      1) Violate the USB specification (can't put the USB logo on your packaging)
      2) Figure out some way to signal the presence of a "dumb" charger to the device, allowing it to draw more than 100 mA (sometimes even more than 500) when connected to such a charger. There's a de facto standard for Mini-USB plugs - There's a pin that is not connected in normal USB operation that "dumb charger" plugs will usually ground. If a device sees that this pin is grounded it will draw as much current as it can. I know these cables can be used with, at the least, Holux GPS receivers, HTC PDAs, and I believe most new Motorola phones and FRS radios. Unfortunately you cannot have a single cable that will both communicate and "dumb charge" from one of those wallwarts that has a USB Type A jack.
      3) Limit current to 100 mA (this is unsatisfactory for many devices)
      4) Wait for USB 3.0 - Supposedly USB 3.0 has taken this whole issue into consideration.

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    25. Re:Serious issue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It applies to all new models approved after June 2007 (to legally sell phones in China, each new model has to have something called a Network Access Certificate issued by the government). So most of the new ones support USB charging, but there are still quite a lot of older designs still for sale that don't. And the rules don't apply to "grey market" phones imported from abroad.

    26. Re:Serious issue! by jcgf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, powering lower voltages off of 12VDC is easy. For my DIY projects I usually just throw in a LM317 or LM350 regulator set to the voltage I want (unless it's 5VDC needed, then I just go with the (slightly cheaper) 7805).

      I don't usually bother, but you can also wire the LM317 as a current regulator. So if you wanted a USB device to run off 12, you can limit the voltage to 5VDC and the current to 500mA etc.

      Anyways, I guess I'm trying to agree with you in my long winded way.

    27. Re:Serious issue! by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that less than 1% of the population actually owns a multimeter, let alone being able to tell which is the positive lead of a polarized capacitor. In North America, things aren't made to be fixable. They are made to be replaced. So, in answer to your bigger question, Americans (The entire first world, in fact) are losing their ability to fix things. You'd be surprised how many appliances get tossed in the garbage because a five cent piece of plastic broke. Heck. I have a VCR on my desk that is destined for the rubbish heap because the plastic bit that is supposed to connect play button to the microswitch broke.

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    28. Re:Serious issue! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The nice thing about USB is that it is first and foremost a communication protocol. It would be very nice if when you plugged your device in, it got it's standard 500mA, and then requested from the charger the amount of power it actually needed to charge the quickest. The chargers could actually become smart, and do things like shut off power to ports when not in use, or turn the power way down when the device is charged.

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    29. Re:Serious issue! by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're saying that introducing competition into a market which was otherwise a monopoly and reducing the cost to produce a product will not lead to reduced prices? I find that hard to believe.

    30. Re:Serious issue! by Fishead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Future Shop and Breast Buy sell standard USB device cables for $30. Then the salesman tells you that if you buy a cheap one, it will suffer from signal loss and lower speed. If the world standardized small electronics on one power port, manufacturers can ship their products entirely without chargers. Then the "Pop-up add" style salesman can sell you a USB-mini charger for $50 and tell you that your warranty will be void if your "un-certified" charger ruins your device. He can then sell you a product protection plan on your charger for an extra $10. Or you can go with the "Monster Cable" charger that has extra line filtering... bla bla bla.

    31. Re:Serious issue! by Fishead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All devices should have over-voltage protection by default. Even if the device you are manufacturing comes with a super-wahzoo psu that is absolutely limited to 5Vdc output, your device should be able to handle 30Vdc and not have a problem. Simple electronics design, not complicated rocket science. Varistors are cheap. Resetable surface mount fuses are cheap. Voltage regulators are cheap.

    32. Re:Serious issue! by electricbern · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet he's an art critic.

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    33. Re:Serious issue! by kitgerrits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Awww... I use 7805's to power lots of interesting tidbits in my car ;-)

      (Then again, I use a hig-power 12V power supply for my subwoofer amp in my living room )

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    34. Re:Serious issue! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Put the positive test lead in the center contact and the negative test lead on the outer contact. A positive voltage indicates a "tip positive" plug and a negative voltage indicates a "tip negative" plug.

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    35. Re:Serious issue! by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a French keyboard, you insensitive clod!

      I am a clod, you insensitive Frenchman!

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  12. Re:Plug them out by Bazman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Use a power strip with switches on each output, then only switch on the ones you want.

  13. Callpod by aluxe · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://callpod.com/ I think they're a bit pricey, but definitely worth it if you've got a ton of gadgets. Two cellphones qualifies... :)

  14. A few practical tips by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I try to hide whatever chargers and wiring in general I don't have to unplug. That way I can wrap it all up with cable ties and keep it managed somehow. Fastening power strips to the bottom of the desk can be a good option. (The double sided tape thing never works... Use something more permanent.)

    Also non-brand chargers can make sense when space is a premium. TinyPlugs are excellent for Nokia phones, for instance.

    Having an off switch on the power strip with all the chargers can be a good idea too, if you aren't charging anything you can turn the whole thing off and save power. (No leeching.)

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    1. Re:A few practical tips by mahohmei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A quick trip to Home Depot solved my problem, though slightly ugly. Two 4" square electrical boxes and quad-outlet cover plates, four duplex outlets, a 9' 14 AWG power cord, a few feet of 14/2 NM, an NM clamp, a 1/2" rigid conduit nipple, and some nuts, washers, and bolts. A bit of electrical know-how and drilling, and I wind up with 8 outlets mounted to the side of my desk. It's better than a power strip because it won't flop around/fall behind the desk. And its better than a mounted power strip because it's not a cheap piece of plastic. It is, however, plugged into a power strip/surge protector under the desk... And it's on the side of my desk facing away from the office door, so the Wife Acceptance Factor is quite high.

  15. Name Them! by argee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its easy to mix the chargers up. First thing I do is stick on a piece of duct tape, and with a Magic Marker or Sharpie, write the name of the device it fits, such as "WRTG54GL" or "MOT V235". Avoids sticking 18 volts into a 5 volt device!

  16. Luxury problem by TheP4st · · Score: 3, Funny

    A classic case of luxury problem.
    Why three mobile phones, are you waiting for the not so ineviteble question "Is that 3 mobiles in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

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  17. Three Mobile Phones? by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I neglected to ask this in my previous post: why the f-ck have you got three mobile phones?

    1. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by unix+guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's only got 2 mobile phones - the Nokia N810 is an Internet Tablet. I'm never seen anywhere without mine. It's a geek thing...

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    2. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      One for business
      One for friends
      One for women

      Doesn't everyone have three phones?

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    3. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by muffen · · Score: 2, Informative

      One for business One for friends One for women Doesn't everyone have three phones?

      You can talk to women AND post on slashdot?

    4. Re:Three Mobile Phones? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...why the f-ck have you got three mobile phones?

      1. Wife
      2. Girlfriend
      3. Boyfriend

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  18. Welll by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What sort of answer are you expecting?

    - I chop off all the connectors from my expensive, official chargers and solder them to cheap multi-level adaptors?
    - I bought X, a thing which includes connectors for everything and lets you charge Watts of equipment simultaneously?
    - I run DC electric around my house in multi-voltage and have purchased specific connectors for every piece of equipment I own and hope I don't plug my phone into the wrong voltage?

    I don't think that there is a sensible solution at the moment. I tend to have a charging area - where I keep all the chargers on a power strip which is plugged in whenever I need to charge anything. My wife and I often want to charge two similar items at the same time - for those cases I purchase an extra charger (usually from eBay or a boot sale) or use one mains charger and plug the supplied car-charger into a 220-12v adaptor I bought that has a "cigarette lighter" socket on it.

    The other options don't really bear thinking about. Running DC electric around a house is an absolute nightmare so you're basically going to want to lump all the things needing charge near a suitable DC output - which could be the official chargers on a powerstrip, or a multi-voltage thing, like a PC PSU or similar multi-out DC supply if you have THAT many but I'd check the efficiency of using such a thing when a single mobile phone is plugged into it.

    So you have to have all your charging equipment in one place, and you can either rig up some Heath Robinson solution to charge any peripheral with any connector via any voltage or you could just plug the mains adaptors that you already have into a £2.99 power strip. You can neaten it up by hiding the actual blocks out of site and rigging up a bit of polished wood that can hold all the various gadgets with the right connectors already in place through holes on it. But that's just poncing about.

    You don't save much by doing anything different - in fact, the exact opposite when something goes wrong or doesn't work first time. Forget the whiners moaning about the power used by extra PSU's on the strips - plug in an energy monitor while they are all idle if you are that worried, but the easiest solution is "plug them all in when something is charging, take them all out when nothing is", which is facilitated by an amazing invention called the main switch on a power strip.

    There is no magic solution. Even "wireless charging" is bound to be the same in 100 years - every bloody manufacturer will use a different field strength, frequency, polarisation etc. so that you have to buy their charger. Until someone (ISO, I'm looking at you) actually standardises on a DC supply to a house and countries enforce its use in law, you're stuck with it. The only DC standard I'm aware of is in cars and that actually WORKS to a degree - a car charger is a car charger and will work in basically every car in the world (24v supplies on lorries not included, but they do usually come with rather large warnings on the dash and you can get 24-12v convertors for just such an occasion).

  19. Keep-A-Cable by lapse · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've found this to be very helpful: keepacable.com.

  20. Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you are more than happy to buy one locking you to a specific manufacturer for $19.99. Same reason the headsets are all different.

    The manufacturers are simply giving you what you ask for. YOU are the problem.

     

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    1. Re:Because chargers cost $0.99 to make by Stewie241 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ahhh... but say you want the car charger? That'll be an extra $25. They find ways to make money on sales of these things. If all devices used USB, you wouldn't have these charges.

  21. Green Plug is already trying to do this by wyoung76 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.greenplug.us/ Green Plug has been mentioned before on /. and has been adopted by Westinghouse (http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/15/0136223) If it is adopted widely, the problem of multiple chargers will largely disappear.

  22. Re: step down transformers by neonsignal · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not the step down transformers, it's the linear regulators on the output that are wasteful. Anyway, most power packs are switch mode these days.

    The switch mode supplies are less like bricks, but as a colleague of mine says, with a switcher on the mains, you are only 20ms away from disaster.

  23. Re:Three step process... by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I said keep the laptop, did I not? Reading for comprehension: FAIL

    Besides, I ALWAYS have my iPhone with me. And it can, to some extent, and in most cases to the extent necessary, stand in for all of those other things.

    You on the other hand, may or may not, depending on whether or not you loaded up your Batman utility belt that morning, be carrying the LG, the Nokia, the Ericcson, the Canon, the Cowan, or the Nintendo. Nor, given the subject of the post, will you be totally certain that any or all of them are charged up and ready to go. (BTW, you forgot to mention the book reader/Kindle, GPS/Magellen, ...., ah, never mind.)

    From my perspective, having the perfect dedicated device for each and every function does me no good whatsoever when it's sitting on the shelf at home because I didn't feel like being an electronic pack mule that day.

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  24. Re:easy by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

    but that would drain the charge in my gadget thrower. Then what?

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  25. Re:use computer PSU.. by Enleth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, in the recent years most of the 'bricks' turned into SMPSes. It's no more expensive to produce and less so to ship in cargo containers from China - smaller, lighter = more units in a container = lower shipping fee per unit. That makes a difference when sending out several tons of this junk a day.

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  26. Dongly Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those who haven't read Douglas Adams's "The Salmon of Doubt" and the excellent essay on power supplies (a.k.a. little dongly things) here's a link: http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html

  27. Labels by sherriw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a bunch of sheets of blank white label (sticker) stock. Each time I get a new charger thingy or other non-standard wire, I just cut out a little piece of sticker, stick it on the charger and write what device it's for. That's also good for going through your drawer of chargers and seeing- oh! I haven't had that XYZ for years! So this charger can get tossed.

  28. USB is the answer by d3ac0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simple.

    Chuck all the stupid crap toys you have that use proprietary connectors.

    I have made a decision: In the small electronics area, I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors. I flatly refuse to buy anything that cannot be charged or connected via USB to my PC, or a USB base station.

    Yes, this does mean that I will miss out on some "hot" tech items. For example, I do not have an iPhone. Why? Not because I think it's a bad device or because I cannot afford it. I think iPhones are very nice and I can certainly afford to buy one. I don't have an iPhone because it uses a 30 pin proprietary dock connector. The means that I would have to buy all sorts of expensive connecting devices from Apple that I have no intention of spending money on like a moron.

    The same goes with most other phones. I selected my Motorazr cell phone because I can charge it with a USB connector. I selected my Creative Zen MP3 player because I can charge it with a USB connector (the same one I charge my phone with) Should the need for any other small devices come along, I will select the one I can recharge with a USB connector. If no devices have that option, I will forgo the device altogether. NO device is so important that I should have to clutter my life with useless connectors and chargers, when a simple mini usb 2.0 connector will do everything these idiotic proprietary connectors will do AND MORE.

    It's time we as consumers put our feet down. Manufacturers need to stop trying to follow the "give away the razor handle and sell the blades at a 500% markup" model and start selling their devices, unlocked, with a standard unified connector at a reasonable price.

    It starts with each one of us deciding to change this one thing in our lives by only buying devices with USB connectors. I have made the change, who will join me?

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    1. Re:USB is the answer by argux · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bought a Motorola phone, the cheapest I could find, and while the power connector is a mini-USB, and it has the little USB symbol, it only charges when it's connected with the Motorola-branded charger it came with. I once left it at my girlfriend's house (5-7 hours away), and tried charging it with my mp3 player's USB cable. It did nothing but turn the backlight on from time to time and say "Please wait...", then turn back off. I was left without phone for about a month, until my gf visited me and brought the original charger.

      I suppose the carrier did some disabling on the port to keep people from actually using their cheap phones. That way they would buy expensive ones the next time. Well it worked. I'm never using that carrier again.

    2. Re:USB is the answer by norminator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sometimes I think you have to have the right driver for the phone installed... which I don't think Motorola likes to give out without having you buy their Phone Tools software.

    3. Re:USB is the answer by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I will and I have. The benefit is that I now have NO wall warts or AC chargers, and I can travel with all my devices using either a USB to USB-MiniA or USB to USB-MiniB connector.

      That's a phone, camera, MP3 player, GPS tracking token and wireless mouse all sharing two very small and light cables, whereas previously I'd need a whole nuther bag for the charging silliness.

      We, as consumers, need to get more people behind this.

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    4. Re:USB is the answer by ari_j · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a breathalyzer that turns out to have a mini-USB connector. It's not for charging, as far as I can tell, but I haven't tried since I use alkaline batteries in it. I also haven't tried hooking it up to a computer, for fear of what it may say.

      What I really want is to hook it up to my phone in such a way that it will lock me out of my address book if I am over 0.15%.

    5. Re:USB is the answer by timbck2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yes, I know my name is stupid. I wish I could change it, at least once. I hate my l33t name. :(

      This is the Slashdot equivalent of tattoo regret. Maybe there's money in it ...

      1. Slashdot l33t name regret
      2. ???
      3. PROFIT!

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    6. Re:USB is the answer by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      USB is good but it's not perfect.

      I just bought a Seagate 250 GB external USB HDD. It came with a Y-shaped USB connector which you're supposed to plug into TWO USB ports and the drive. I figured that was for low-power (USB 1.0?) computers* so I took a chance and just used a regular mini-USB cable I had from a camera and it's been working fine with just one USB (2.0) port. Except on my MacBook Pro--I can plug it into the USB port on the right and it works but if I use the port on the left the drive just makes a funny noise and won't mount.

      * or crazy things like the way you can plug a device into a Mac and it's fine but if you plug it into the USB port on the keyboard you get a "not enough power" warning. WTF?!?

      In other news, I was pleasantly surprised with my GPS--a Garmin Nuvi 200. It doesn't come with an AC adapter (only a car charger) but the charging jack is actually a mini-USB port. I can use a USB->mini-USB cable to charge it from my computer. But wait! There's more! I went to Garmin's site to see if they sold an AC adapter. They do--it's a thing that plugs into your wall and then gives you a cigarette-lighter thingie that you then plug your car charger into. How stupid is that?!? A) That's bulky, kludgy, clumpy, ugly, and B) it means I can't just LEAVE MY CAR CHARGER IN MY CAR!!! Luckily I made another happy discovery--I can use the tiny AC->USB adapter that came with (you guessed it) my iPhone along with the mini-USB cable and charge it that way. SUCCESS!

      Of course, FireWire was designed from the beginning to have enough power to drive USEFUL devices, and it was much, much, much faster than USB for years, and I've never had any trouble with my FireWire devices. Oh well.

      A couple more random bits: I've got a 60 GB iPod and an iPhone. Both use the same connector so one stays at home (plugged into the AC brick) and the other travels with me in my ever-present backpack. (If I only had one job I'd just leave it at work.) For my cameras, I use a card reader--I've always thought it was the dumbest thing in the world to have a camera with a removable card and get pictures from it by turning on the camera (draining the batteries) and connecting it directly to a computer. (Plus, my first digital camera had a SERIAL port and took FOREVER to transfer pictures.) Other than the aforementioned hard drive (which travels with its USB cable wrapped around it) those are the only devices I have. So an overabundance of chargers is not a problem for me.

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    7. Re:USB is the answer by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      I shaved my beard off four years ago.

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    8. Re:USB is the answer by kitgerrits · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not the carrier that does that, it's Motorola themselves (I also have a RAZR V3).
      I have come accross several devices that will only charge (or charge at a decent rate) when connected to their own dedicated charger or when connected to a real, live computer. sometimes even requiring a special driver (I'm looking at you, blackberry!)
      Maybe it will charge if you plug it into a powered USB hub?

      I have noticed, though, that I can use the same 5V, 2A plug for my PSP, my Creative Zen and my iPaq (with a tiny conversion plug).
      USB harddisks also seem to standardize on a similar plug at 12V, 2A (I have 6 different ones, 4 are compatible).

      The only thorn in my eye is my new Nokia, which uses a new, tiny charger plug.
      They make matters worse by charging a fortune for a conversion plug.

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    9. Re:USB is the answer by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      USB 2 theoretically supplies up to 500mA at 5V at the controller. It gets less as you start adding hubs (which is why many hubs are powered). The USB ports that don't work with the drive probably don't supply enough current to run the drive. The Y adapter isn't to speed up USB 1.0 connections, but just to give the drive enough power to spin up. If you look closely, one of the cables in the Y is thicker than the other. The thicker one is the data cable, the thinner one is supplementary power.

    10. Re:USB is the answer by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Informative

      USB 2 theoretically supplies up to 500mA at 5V at the controller.

      In addition, devices are only supposed to pull that much power after negotiating with the controller for it. Otherwise, the most you're supposed to pull from USB is only 100 mA. When plugged in, the GP's hard drive negotiates with the hub in the keyboard for the extra power it needs. When the keyboard says it can't supply it, the hard drive refuses to fire up and an error message pops up. Odds are pretty good that the keyboard will only supply 100 mA (less the small amount of current it needs for itself) and won't support bus-powered devices that need more. That's OK for mice and flashsticks, but not so good for bus-powered hard drives, scanners, etc.

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    11. Re:USB is the answer by dmstevens · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I found the USB drivers without having to pay for Phone Tools. The Motorola Developer site has them here:
      http://developer.motorola.com/docstools/USB_Drivers/

      Works fine for charging my KRZR K1m from a generic USB cable.

    12. Re:USB is the answer by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simple.

      Chuck all the stupid crap toys you have that use proprietary connectors.

      I have made a decision: In the small electronics area, I will ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors.

      Here's something interesting. I bought an MP3 player from SansDisk. I specifically bought it because (besides some pretty much Windows only access tool) the player can simply be accessed as an MSD - and either way it connects via USB through a supplied cable (mini-USB to USB).

      The odd thing is, though I thought the cable nothing more than a regular cable with a toriod on it, the thing only seems to work with that cable.... maybe the other cables were defective, or it was more than just a toriod inside the little shell around part of the cable.

      Anyway, as it isn't always possible to get something that charges via USB, there are alternatives. One, which isnt the best, is at least better than the original scenario...

      - Get a "smart charger" with a tip for each device (I then attach the tips to the device using a short piece of rope or thick hair tie cut in half (so it's a rope than a circle), and use some cloth tape (hockey/sports tape) to tape one end to the tip, the other to the charger's cable near it's tip receptacle. That allows one charger for everything, and all tips on hand and out of the way.

      - Look for USB to (XXXXXXX) adapters for the chargers for your device. Many many devices can be charged via USB with a usually inexpensive adapter. This method at least allows charging more than one device at a time (similar to d3ac0n's suggestion to using all USB ones)... but means, at the very least, again, a bunch of tips.

      - Get a power strip and/or outlet extender, and a cable management system and then simply label the ends of each cord to make them easy to determine at a glance which is which. By "cable management system" I mean get something similar to those retractable phone cords they sell in the "dollar store" - failing being able to find one of those, get one of those retractable phone cords from the dollar store, open it up, remove the phone line, and insert the charger's cable. This will at the very least minimize the clutter. In my office, we mount the power strip, place a few hooks right above it, and hang the things right from there so, even retracted, they are organized (and then we label each with a label machine... a piece of tape and a permanent marker does the job just as well - or color coding each).

      .

      Yeah, none of these are as elegant as finding devices that call can be charged via USB, but, as I said above, oft times, it's not possible to get what one wants by choosing that scenario... so, these suggestions are for those who cant... and for those who can, d3ac0n's suggestion is a great one.

      As for me, I hate having a bunch of cables (at least till I organize them), but they do come in handy as I dont always have something with USB to charge them from. My preference are the chargers that will use either DC or AC (without the need for a separate charger),so I can charge them at home or on the road.

    13. Re:USB is the answer by againjj · · Score: 2, Informative

      * or crazy things like the way you can plug a device into a Mac and it's fine but if you plug it into the USB port on the keyboard you get a "not enough power" warning. WTF?!?

      The keyboard on a Mac is a hub. Hubs generally do not provide as much power on the line as an on-board port does (the hub itself uses power, and must share power with everything plugged into it), unless the hub is powered. This is why a number of peripherals specifically state that they must be plugged into an on-board USB port.

  29. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by RoverDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The iPhone comes with a cable to connect its 30 pin proprietary dock with USB. It charges over USB. True, it charges faster by plugging its USB connector into the charger that's also supplied with the phone. Did I mention that that charger is tiny at roughly one cubic inch (16.39 cc)? At least Apple tried to minimize the clutter. The charger can sit on a power strip without blocking access to either adjacent socket.

    Of course, if you want to be a purist, just throw the charger away and forget you ever had it.

    BTW, I don't own any 'expensive connecting devices' for the 30-pin dock connector and I'm not likely to buy any either.

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  30. I'm having the same kind of problem by chord.wav · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know what you mean, I have a Ferarri F350, a hybrid Toyota, a Hummer and a Smart. Oh I forgot the Tesla prototype. The thing is, I want all of them to perform at their 100% but I want to use the same fuel. What do you slashdotters do to avoid this kind of problem?

    Answer: Stop whining about trivial problems you already know the answer for.

  31. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by UnrealisticWhample · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone comes with a cable to connect its 30 pin proprietary dock with USB. It charges over USB.

    While there may have been some fuzzy statements in there, if you reread the beginning of the post you were replying to you'll notice that he said that he'll "ONLY buy devices that use the mini-USB style connectors," and that he selected his ZEN mp3 player because of the fact that it will charge with the same style cable as his phone.

    I don't believe that a cable that simply plugs into a USB jack but still takes a proprietary adapter to enable it to do so would conform to his quite narrow standards.

  32. Re:shouldn't ever be posted by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but we should make the best of this question, because it is a good one.

    Only recently have manufacturers jumped on a bandwagon. Many cell manufacturers are providing mini-usb connectors for charging and sync. With the recent addition of the new USB (3?) offering higher output voltages, we may see more manufacturers moving to a common charging system.

    There are, of course, several manufacturers that require proprietary connectors or needle barrel plugs who should be encouraged to change to a standardized connector.

    With the possibility of a common connector on the horizon, we may see the exact opposite of this post in the future. "I can't plug all of my devices in because I don't have enough USB ports" or "I can't find additional USB cables because they're so popular that the stores are sold out"

    OK, so the latter will probably never happen, but I frequently run out of USB ports and have to make a decision about what gets unplugged.

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  33. A little know engineering fact: by drpt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Use microwaves,, just place face up in a microwave safe dish for 48 seconds 4.5v, 81 seconds 12v (microwave ovens vary you may need to tweak the times) after it cools off try it, if it isn't charged simply repeat the process.

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  34. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by amilo100 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are going to wait quite a while for your plug-in hybrid.

  35. Re:USB is the answer - Uh, about that... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is NO EXCUSE for phone, PDA, and MP3 makers to NOT use the USB standard.

    How about other types of connectivity you might want on a device? In addition to USB, my iPod photo also provides S-video out (maybe composite as well; I know composite video is available through the headphone jack), audio in/out, control (for things like car stereo connectivity), and FireWire. My Treo puts RS-232, audio in/out, and some other signals on its connector. On a larger device, you might get away with including all of the appropriate connectors somewhere on the device. For something like an iPod or a phone (at least one that's not just a phone)? Not so much.

    FWIW, I tend to charge most of my stuff by plugging into a USB port on a computer, a USB hub, or a cigarette-lighter-to-USB adapter. Standardizing one end of the connection on something that's small and ubiquitous isn't a bad idea. Insisting on doing the same with the other end of the connection, though, is unnecessarily limiting in terms of what you can do with it. I'd like to see you try driving a projector with the mini-USB port on your Zen for a slideshow. I've run several from my iPod.

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