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Sarah Palin's Stance On Technology Issues

Revolution Radio writes "BetaNews has a short description of what we might expect from Governor Palin regarding technology issues. She demonstrated her familiarity with the internet by initiating an online education program for state workers, using the web for government transparency, and a supporting the general concept of 'long-distance distribution of services' (similar to net neutrality?)." We've previously discussed Senator Joe Biden's tech voting record and compared the technology platforms of Obama and McCain. In addition to the above story about Palin, Betanews also has analyses of Obama, McCain, and Biden regarding tech policy.

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  1. To be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ... I don't care what her views on tech issues are. I just know she's a MILF!

  2. Hello... Evolution? by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the fact that if it was up to her our schools would be teaching creationism enough for a Slashdot reader? You can call me a troll/off topic, but I think if we have a FAIL in basic science, technology issues are unimportant.

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    1. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, and you will notice that I linked to a mild article with an actual title of "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor". If you read even that mild article you will still easily realize she just hasn't pushed the issue in the past, yet she does not believe in evolution ("believe in evolution"??? I cringe even typing such a phrase about someone) and she would obviously like to see creationism taught. Go ahead, give her the power :)

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    2. Re:Hello... Evolution? by c_forq · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because we all know that the vice-president controls the curriculum for every public school...

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    3. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Cairnarvon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that supposed to be insightful? By the same token it's pointless to discuss her stances on technology-related matters because she doesn't single-handedly write and enforce every single law.

    4. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I think creationism is not even worth being called science, what is worse is the knee jerk reaction to not teach it.

      Teaching biology without evolution is like teaching chemistry without atoms. "Why does this one chemical react with this other chemical? Because God wants them to react."

      The US education system needs to teach critical thinking and you can not teach critical thinking by ignoring or banning things you disagree with.

      So I can't teach biology without teaching that Elvis was abducted by aliens? 'Cause I disagree with that, too.

      Let me add one more thing. Palin seems to claim that there should be "healthy debate" about whether evolution or creationism is correct. In the scientific community there is no debate. There are a few fringe crackpots that have made a career out of throwing some pseudo-scientific bones to certain fringe religions - but that is all.

      Evolution is the foundation of biology. If evolution is wrong then biology is wrong.

    5. Re:Hello... Evolution? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They should teach it, but it should be in a "world religions" class and not taught as science as it's just a bunch of stories made by the ancients to explain things they didn't understand. So teach it in a class about make believe things people in the olden days believed.

      The Bible, like it or not, has had a huge impact on the world and shouldn't be ignored. Really if you're not at least passingly familiar with the bible you're uneducated. So schools shouldn't just skip it altogether, they should teach it as a piece of literature, along with the Koran, the writings of Marx and Lenin, and other shit that has had a huge impact (good or bad) on history.

    6. Re:Hello... Evolution? by zoogies · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Palin sounds so very reasonable when she says those things. Fact is, she believes creationism is an alternative theory on equal grounding with evolution. Psh. "Healthy debate is so important." Hah.

      There's no debate here: evolution is biology, creationism is not.

    7. Re:Hello... Evolution? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Teaching non-science in a science class is not healthy debate.

      The debate belongs in a philosophy class.

    8. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      yet she does not believe in evolution

      I think she may be confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Most people do.

    9. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      She said to teach it all and debate it.

      What is there to teach? What is there to debate? Evolution is the foundation of biology.

      You observe that one organism has similarities to some other organism. You wonder why. The scientific answer is evolution (common ancestry/similar environment).

      Don't forbid any of it.

      OK, so if some student asks about creationism, the instructor has a good laugh asks the student whether he also believes that Michael Jackson gave birth to alien butt-babies in a cheap hotel in Tijuana last week. The student says, no, there's no evidence for that. The instructor say, well, yeah, same deal with creationism and gets on with teaching science.

      On the other hand, if a biology instructor actually implies that there is any scientific validity to creationism whatsoever then the instructor should be fired immediately - just like if the instructor implied there was scientific validity to Michael Jackson's alien butt-babies.

    10. Re:Hello... Evolution? by kanweg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I'm one of those people living outside the US borders not worth counting if we get shot because the US must be defended 8000 miles away, and WE are concerned when a (vice) president chooses to ignore facts just because there is something else he/she'd like to believe. Powerful people starting wars because they think their supreme being would like that or just because they have created an environment in which scare mongering over WMD can flourish scares the shit out of us. Your last regime caused tens of thousands of deaths among inhumans, and over 3000 patriots because of that.

      A tendency not to want to hear facts is NOT something we'd like to see. Thank you.

      Bert

    11. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "She would like to see it taught, but it is not currently politically feasible to push the issue" would be an even more accurate description.

    12. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because we all know that the vice-president controls the curriculum for every public school...

      Let us restrict all discussion about Sarah Palin to her credentials to serve as the presiding officer of the United States Senate.

    13. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And honestly, teaching creationism, evolution or that we all ended up here from the decedents of an alien race, doesn't affect the country much.

      Evolution is to biology is what molecules are to chemistry. You really can't teach biology in any meaningful way without evolution.

      I don't know what's scarier: the possibility that Palin doesn't understand this or the possibility that she does actually understand this but she doesn't care.

      Either way, under Palin, science in the USA is likely to go into steep decline with many US scientists moving to other countries to find jobs.

      Personally, I think it's important for the USA to stay competitive scientifically - but it seems that a lot of Republicans don't agree.

    14. Re:Hello... Evolution? by QuoteMstr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but no. A civilization cannot stand while allowing absolute liberty. We accept certain restrictions so that we may continue to have a society. Murder is illegal. Rape is illegal. You can't shout "fire" in a crowded room. These things are restrictions on freedom, and for everyone's good.

      Another restriction on freedom that's absolutely essential for a free society is mandatory education. Without education, the population does not develop critical thinking skills and falls prey to the first charismatic demagogue that comes along.

      Allowing parents to send their children to schools that refuse to teach the facts is equivalent to allowing them to not educate their children at all. Both are unconscionable for a variety of reasons. Not only should school attendance be required, but private schools should be audited to ensure that their curriculum at least resembles reality. The more people are deluded by things like creationism and homeopathy, the weaker our democracy becomes.

    15. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Evolution is to biology is what molecules are to chemistry. You really can't teach biology in any meaningful way without evolution.

      For non college classes you can. All Biology is today is memorizing where a heart is in a cat, pig, frog, etc. And memorizing muscles, bones, and classifying animals. I would agree with you for college classes, but for high school classes, its really not needed.

      Either way, under Palin, science in the USA is likely to go into steep decline with many US scientists moving to other countries to find jobs.

      You mean that you don't think it already has? And the problem isn't a lack of education, its patent and copyright laws that have managed to screw up researchers because they can't use *insert groundbreaking research here* to come up with *insert even better research here* because of a patent or copyright.

      Personally, I think it's important for the USA to stay competitive scientifically - but it seems that a lot of Republicans don't agree.

      Clean up the patent mess and the US will be successful scientifically, public education doesn't affect how successful the US is scientifically, money does.

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    16. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Jorophose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but where did it come from to "just happen"?

      I'm not denying "evolution". Things change. That means evolution works. Nobody sane can deny that.

      But to go out and outright start insulting people based on their beliefs is where I and countless others take offense. It's my belief. Takes your asshole attitude elsewhere. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it.

      And right now it doesn't look like you have anything nice to say. So shut up and post on topic for once.

      I love how I'm modded flamebait yet the parent's GP was being an asshole to somebody who corrected the OP of the thread, that Sarah Palin isn't opposed to evolution as being the real "origin", but that kids need to be allowed to explore all beliefs, to make their own opinions, and be encouraged to make choices.

      Otherwise you're just being a typical asshole teacher/principal, who just wants their student to give them the answer they expect, not the real answer. Think while you still can.

    17. Re:Hello... Evolution? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And somehow you think the public school system in the U.S. is better? What a delusion. Mandatory indoctrination is what you are talking about. That's not freedom. Education in this country was, in many ways, much better before the public school system.

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    18. Re:Hello... Evolution? by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course it does affect the country! Teaching superstitious beliefs in schools (be it the creationism or the Van Daeniken blithering) makes the country (resp. it's residents) dumber and even more ignorant of science.

      Want to teach your kids religion? Fine, send them to church. But leave it out of schools!

    19. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish everyone else on the planet would understand "separation of church and state" which actually isn't mentioned in the Constitution, yet everyone quotes as part of the Constitution. The term comes from the Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson wrote about the evils of forcing a state religion on the people, often with violence as England had done repeatedly. That doesn't mean morality must be removed from legislation, as most laws actually relate to morals on some level.

      The 1st amendment protects the expression of religion which inherently is tied into free speech. Teaching of creationism as a theory isn't forcing a specific state religion on the people. It is teaching the theory that some people (the majority of the people on the planet according to census results of who claims a religion that believes in a Creator) believe that there was a Creator.

      As a Christian myself, I don't want Judeo-Christian specifics taught in school. I don't want people teaching the 10 Commandments, and I've actually seen that in Millard Public Schools who teach the "history" of Moses. But creationism is fine in my book.

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    20. Re:Hello... Evolution? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although it may garner some lolz from those who agree with you, associating your opponent's stance with straw men does not make your argument any stronger.

      I did nothing of the sort. Flat Earth nutbars and Creationist nutbars have equal weight in the realm of science. Flat Earth Theory and Crationism are nearly identical in their lack of evidence in support of these "theories" and their opposition theories have veritable mountains of evidence on their side, cross-referenced across a multitude of scientific disciplines.

      The only difference between Creationism and Flat Earth is that the most proponents of Flat Earth simply died out, cluctching to their "Truth" until their last breath, leaving a pitiful band of lunatics to carry their mantle. Creationists are still abundant and their bone-headed fight with the rock of the obvious still goes on. But, as such things go, it will be their skulls which crack before the rock gives out, just as it was for the Flat Earthers ...

      The reason I did such a substitution is because Creationists abhor when they are being exposed for what they are, and will do everything in their power to cloak themselves in pretense of "respectability", as if such posturing somehow gave weight to their abject lunacy.

    21. Re:Hello... Evolution? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your argument is invalid even if true because it is position independent(*). Take anything anyone has said about anything and you can make their argument sound silly by replacing the nouns just as you have. This is a form of begging the question (because it relies on an implicit analogy who's validity depends on the conclusion), with a touch of ad-hominem and a dab of snobbery (by assuming that alternative conclusions can only be reached by ignorance).

      No it is not since I did not replace the terms at random. I did replace Creationism with another equally scientifically discredited "theory". Not some random view.

      While it sounds like a witty and compelling recrimination of flat earth believers, it can be used against anyone by inserting "round earth believer", "religious", "atheist" or whatever

      That only applies to random and unwarranted substitutions.

      (*) Positions independence implies truth independence since some positions are true and others false in a non-trivial consistent logic. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the formal name for this fallacy.

      That is because such fallacy does not exist. The validity depends on what you are substituting with what.

    22. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Alsee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess what they really need to teach is reading comprehension... She said to teach it all and debate it.

      Yeah, the scientifically criminal "teach the controversy" bullshit.

      I mean seriously, what woulf you say if some candidate wanted to bring pro-astrology textbooks into astronomy science lessons and pro-alchemy textbooks into chemistry classrooms, in order to have teachers "teach the controversy"?

      There is political controversy over evolution, there is social controversy over evolution, however there is no scientific controversy over evolution. You are suggesting we should bring in flat-earth textbooks into science class and "debate" the issue.

      Lets take a concrete look at what we are talking about here, a concrete look at how your proposed education and "debate" would have to go:

      It's science class, we teach what the Second law of thermodynamics says, and we teach what it means. We teach that the 2nd law of thermo says that the average entropy (disorder) of a closed system increases, or at best stays constant. We teach the significance of the word "average" in there - that it means that one party of the system can become more ordered if some other part of the system becomes even more disordered to "pay" for that increase in order. Then we also teach the meaning and importance of "a closed system", we teach that if outside energy comes into the system, that energy can be used to do work and can pay for the work to create an increase in order in the system. We then teach a variety of common examples where nature spontaneously produces order out of chaos. We show how a flowing river will automatically separate, sort, and organize different size pebbles. We cover how chaotic disordered water atoms automatically form into complex highly ordered snowflakes. We cover how the sun provides energy to do work on earth melting and forming snowflakes. We cover how energy from the sun can do work to increase order on earth, and how increases in order are *not* a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

      We then "teach both sides" of the evolution issue.... we bring in a standard science textbook to teach evolution. Then then we bring in an anti-evolution textbook to teach "the other side". And in that anti-evolution textbook they present arguments such as "evolution is impossible because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics". It teaches that evolution involves an increase in order and information, and it teaches that that is impossible according to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

      And then you let the students engage in a "debate" on the evolution issue.

      And during that debate one student remembers the snowflake example, that student points out that the anti-evolution textbook is wrong for claiming that increases in order and complexity is impossible. Points out that the anti-evolution textbook was wrong in it's claimed proof against evolution. That student points out that the anti-evolution textbook did not correctly understand the science of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, points out that the anti-evolution textbook gets the science wrong. That the textbook is filled with errors and misunderstandings and misrepresentations.

      Then a second student stands up to argue the other side. A student who did not understand the lesson on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. That student misunderstands it and makes errors. That student presents an invalid argument filled with errors and misunderstandings.

      You then give the first student an A and you flunk the second student.

      That is how a "scientific debate" on evolution has to go in a legitimate science class. All of the "scientific" arguments against evolution are based on misunderstandings or ignorance errors or misrepresentations or the like.

      A science classroom debate on evolution is no different than such a debate on chemistry. In science class they can only end the exact same way.

      Also, many Christian schools do teach evolution as well. Some call it a the

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    23. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Smeagel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Teaching science appropriately is not indoctrination, it's education about how the world works. Ignoring scientific fact to teach religious belief is indoctrination.

    24. Re:Hello... Evolution? by mpeskett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All Biology is today is memorizing where a heart is in a cat, pig, frog, etc. And memorizing muscles, bones, and classifying animals.

      I think you'll find that this is precisely the problem - education is being replaced with rote learning of stuff you could look up in 5 seconds with access to Google/Wikipedia, and would likely forget the details of within hours of the exam (if you remember it for that long in the first place)

      Sure, it's really useful to know it by heart if you're using it day to day (and would be pretty stupid to not know if you were using it day to day, but it'd be a lot more useful for schools to teach relevant skills and methodology, the scientific method or the important theories in science.

      Like for example... that one called evolution

    25. Re:Hello... Evolution? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every one of the US leaders has said they believed in a Supreme Being...

      There, fixed that for you.

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    26. Re:Hello... Evolution? by glitch23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yet she does not believe in evolution ("believe in evolution"??? I cringe even typing such a phrase about someone)

      Some people like to think that humans are more than mere animals, that they have free will, morals and can realize the difference between right and wrong. When you view mankind in that light evolution just isn't the correct explanation. Those who believe in that cringe when someone else says that they *do* believe in evolution. Evolution relegates mankind to the level of an animal and when we consider ourselves animals there isn't any sin anymore; people can then feel like they can do anything without consequence. That's the chain of logic to explain the non-secularist's view of the world. To not like someone (Palin) because she believes in mankind being capable of ethics and morals and possessing free will is not liking them for the wrong reason.

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    27. Re:Hello... Evolution? by FooGoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does man made global warming as espoused by the hot earthers belong in science class or philosophy class?

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    28. Re:Hello... Evolution? by atriusofbricia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems that insulting is the normal method for such people. Either you agree with them in totality or you are a moron. What were you thinking?!!? Thinking for yourself and not just accepting his/her world view. Moron. :)

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    29. Re:Hello... Evolution? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's why I'm in favor of teaching creationism. Have the student's cross examine it with evolution and see what they come up with!

      I see your point, but I think we have here a confusion as to what these people mean by "teaching". What you are talking about is "presenting" as in detailing the claims and then letting students figure out why the claims are wrong. What they mean is for you to present their "theory" as being of equal (or more) weight as the Theory of Evolution, "supported" by a vast array of pseudo-scientific babble (which they are willing to provide to you at no cost). The end result they hope for is quite different to what you hope to achieve: the plan is to sow enough confusion and smoke-and-mirrors trickery as to baffle the brains of young people and not only discredit science in general but to also make them more malleable for further injections of various bullshit.

      And BTW, go ahead and teach Flat Earth Theory. Have students cross examine it with Spherical Earth Theory and then show them how to prove the latter.

      Very well, now change one thing: imagine that the Flat Earthers have managed to infiltrate mass media, are at every church, some family members of the kids are Flat Earthers, there are TV programs all day long featuring popular celebrities promoting the idea and that your kids in the class were given free, glossy, full-color books featuring famous "scientists" espousing words of "wisdom" as to how all of these cosmic probes were ether fake or a Communist conspiracy, distinguished-looking white bearded men in lab coats providing "scientific" sounding "explanations" for observable astronomical phenomena, while sorrowfully smiling former astronauts confirm that they were a party to a scam and that they repent for their sins...

    30. Re:Hello... Evolution? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think she may be confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Most people do.

      And, she's confusing the bible with science.

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    31. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Miseph · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if they don't, their political opponents will, and they will use this difference oif position as leverage.

      US churches are, despite laws and tradition supposedly preventing this, highly political organizations which wield a great deal of clout at both the local and federal level. The Evangelical movement, in particular, has become perhaps the single largest and most influential voting bloc in US history, and has aligned itself very strongly with the Republican Party and neo-conservative politics.

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    32. Re:Hello... Evolution? by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Evolution relegates mankind to the level of an animal and when we consider ourselves animals there isn't any sin anymore; people can then feel like they can do anything without consequence.

      "Sin" is a relative term, depending on the religion [or lack of] that you believe in. What's "moral" or "right" by the lights of one religion may very well be heresy in another.

      As for taking actions "without consequence", there's almost invariably a consequence, whether it's immediately evident or not. Have a look at Kohlberg's stages of moral development for details. Note there's no mention of religion in that article.

      Just try to consider that being a Christian does NOT necessarily mean "blind belief".

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    33. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This post is very ironic to me. By saying that there is no "other way", you imply that we know for certain that these processes are set in stone. They aren't. I thought a large part of science was understanding that we don't know everything and that nothing is set in stone.

    34. Re:Hello... Evolution? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoever modded it Troll has an understanding that there have been noteworthy scientists who were religious. You, apparently, do not, given your blanket (and wrong) statement that teaching religion makes people dumber and ignorant of science.

      Furthermore, the whole thing is a big fucking waste of time. We are here, it doesn't matter how we got here. Use the time to teach the kids something that actually matters, and let them investigate our origins on their own time if they want, not as part of their basic education.

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    35. Re:Hello... Evolution? by TheRealJFM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly! It seems like so many of the problems in political and media debate about science are caused by a total lack of understanding about what a good method is, and what isn't a good method.

      I've just finished reading the excellent Bad Science by Ben Goldacre, a book which really hammers down where all the misconceptions about science and medicine come from in a few specific British examples.

      Basically, politicians and journalists want there to be two sides to every story, a "for" and an "against". Therefore the people promoting creationism, or the belief that homeopathy works, or whatever other example are printed in the same standing as people who are just talking basic sense.

      Science is complicated to understand, and ordinary people (and doctors!) have to rely upon other people to collate and conclude on all available data. Our newspapers and governments should be providing a sensible properly worked-out conclusion on science stories, not taking the lazy option of equally weighted "he said, she said" stories that treat people who believe Vitamin C can cure HIV, or that special water cures cancer as legitimate.

      All this just makes science seem confusing and casts doubt upon scientific method. While individual theories can be argued, doubted, tested, or whatever (that's the point) - the basic idea of "evidence based" science is undoubtedly the best way to do things. Seems sad we're still arguing about this after more than a hundred years of Darwinism, doesn't it?

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    36. Re:Hello... Evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Both origin theories require pure, blind faith. Either there is a god who one day popped into existence (or always existed), or there is a universe that one day popped into existence (or always existed).

      Evolution doesn't claim to explain why or how the universe appeared, it only claims to explain how we got from Organism X to Organism Y. This is why the Pope can say with a straight face that God created the universe then let evolution do everything else.

    37. Re:Hello... Evolution? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I learned about creationism in school in the UK. I also learned about the luminiferous aether and the geocentric model of celestial mechanics. All of these things are important for understanding how science works - simple explanations are proposed, and when they contradicted observations they were disregarded in favour of others. They are case studies in the application of the scientific method.

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    38. Re:Hello... Evolution? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Frex, I remember how we learned that the sun doesn't go around the earth. Our sci. teacher set up an earthnocentric model, and let us break it down into "why it doesn't work".

      Again, I sympathize with that way of teaching but evolution is much, much harder to demonstrate in the classroom as it is a process which occurs over very extended periods of time. Some enterprising schools apparently attempted to demonstrate evolution in fruit-flies and bacteria but even then this covers only a small section of the whole comprehensive theory and the wackos are ready with plausibly sounding (until you spend a lot of time dissecting them) "explanations". That is why Flat Earthers went relatively extinct, their particular stupidity was too easily demonstrable. Anti-evolution crowd is safer because their lunacy is not as straightforward to demonstrate and they of course do everything in their power to convolute, obfuscate and obscure whatever they can, making the process even more atrocious. This, while not effective against dedicated scientists, is unfortunately quite effective against laymen, especially when coupled with and reinforced by the other scourge of humanity: religion.

  3. Does it matter? by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember responses on Slashdot to Biden's poor tech record being rebutted with "well, he's just vice president." Couldn't you argue the same thing for Palin as well?

    1. Re:Does it matter? by martinw89 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      McCain is 72 and has had cancerous growths. Obama is 47 with a good health record.

  4. Having books removed from libraries... by nog_lorp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    McCain/Palin 08
    For a future without books.

    1. Re:Having books removed from libraries... by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Riiight - and the list of books supposedly banned includes books that *hadn't been published* at the time of the alleged incident (1996).

      A) If that is so, why didn't you go on Kos to point it out, specifically which ones? They are not like a typical right-wing site, they do not insta-ban people just for voicing dissent. If you are not obnoxious or insulting, you have nothing to fear.

      B) They were quoting the Mayor and the Time Magazine. These are the original sources of the information, not Kos.

      C) It is quite possible, very common in fact, that unprinted yet books can be on order for a library and that their contents can be widely anticipated a priori.

  5. Avoiding the media by ericspinder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    She has declined access to all media, and I doubt if we'll even see her speak with anything but the rabid right pundits who'll fawn over her. I'm guessing that they only tough questions she'll face on any subject will be the vp debate.

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  6. Hello - Libertarian? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't the fact that if it was up to her our schools would be teaching creationism enough for a Slashdot reader?

    Nope. Because even though I disagree with her on that issue, her strong libertarian views means she would leave it up to states and local regions to decide what they teach. And THAT should be enough to convince the typical Slashdot reader to vote for her.

    I vote for McCain this fall as a libertarian, hoping that Palin will be at the top of the ticket in four years.

    Anyone who says they will not vote for a candidate because of a single issue is simply not looking at the big picture.

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    1. Re:Hello - Libertarian? by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She is not libertarian. If your definition of libertarian is "good for business, and lower government spending", then you are woefully ignorent about true libertarianism.

      Republicans talk up the Economic issues (which are not the only ones libertarianism hold to) and totally ignore the most important governance portion.

      It ain't libertarian if you support the Republican governance platform. It is mild fascism.

    2. Re:Hello - Libertarian? by Eohl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      her strong libertarian views means she would leave it up to states and local regions to decide what they teach.

      I wonder which libertarian views led her to support the Bridge to Nowhere, right up until it became a national disgrace, but still take the money from the Federal Government anyway.

    3. Re:Hello - Libertarian? by mbeans · · Score: 2, Insightful

      her strong libertarian views

      Strong libertarian views like trying to get books taken out of the library and opposing civil unions for gays? I'd say that if your libertarianism is limited to money and guns, you're not a libertarian at all. You're a conservative.

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    4. Re:Hello - Libertarian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How can you be a libertarian and support the Republicans? This is the party that has been spying on US citizens, wants to control women's bodies. They only support state's rights when it furthers their agenda. Now they have a religious zealot as VP? Can someone please describe to me what POLICIES they like of the Republicans. Please be specific, because I am otherwise baffled.

    5. Re:Hello - Libertarian? by toadlife · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It ain't libertarian if you support the Republican governance platform. It is mild fascism.

      The vibe I get from the current RNC platform is that of nationalism.

      "Country First" was heir big theme at the convention and it was creepy to me.

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  7. Re:Sarah Palin is a creationist by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you vote based on one issue.

    So you understand the anti-abortion crowd not considering Obama (or even listening to what he has to say) solely based on that issue?

  8. Condoms and Birth Control Pills are Technology by Jonathan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Pity she doesn't support *those*, favoring abstinence instead. That really worked out well for her daughter...

    1. Re:Condoms and Birth Control Pills are Technology by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if it does say a lot about her integrity, beliefs, etc.,

      Isn't this what the presidential race is all about?

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  9. Re:Hello... Books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pretty twisted series of leaps and assumptions all leading to a totally unsupportable conclusion.

  10. NO by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A vote for a creationist or someone who thinks both is okay is a vote for the U.S. as a backwater religious theocracy. The fact that you seem to think that teaching both in the classroom is "okay" means YOU don't understand the difference between the separation between church and state, or that you don't understand that creationism or intelligent design is NOT science, it it religious dogma masquerading as science. It has no testable hypotheses, it does not teach critical thinking, and it has no place in the science classroom! It does not deserve to be taught both as Palin states and the fact that you think she is "being reasonable" means you fell for the religious propaganda.

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    1. Re:NO by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A vote for a creationist or someone who thinks both is okay is a vote for the U.S. as a backwater religious theocracy. The fact that you seem to think that teaching both in the classroom is "okay" means YOU don't understand the difference between the separation between church and state, or that you don't understand that creationism or intelligent design is NOT science, it it religious dogma masquerading as science. It has no testable hypotheses, it does not teach critical thinking, and it has no place in the science classroom! It does not deserve to be taught both as Palin states and the fact that you think she is "being reasonable" means you fell for the religious propaganda.

      And if you allow discussion in the classroom, you can teach all those things you mentioned. We learn as much from mistakes as correct actions. (More in some cases) Do you know how few people can tell the difference between a theory and faith? Seriously, you can teach the difference without saying "Your wrong and have no business being here."

  11. The elephant in the room, again. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Again this so called tech source ignores the DMCA completely.

    This is the equivalent of talking about global warming and failing to mention the US addiction to the open road.

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  12. Re:Obama/Biden 08 - live on hope, government chees by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wow are you deluded.

    Palin is a creationist and you need to read other posts in this thread about her sneaking about trying to ban books.

    libertarian indeed.

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  13. Bleh by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sarah Palin knows probably as much about the Internet as any other politician of her age does who did not work in tech. Which is to say, its unlikely that she'll be able to always avoid looking like an idiot to people who know tech, but she probably has a much better grounding than McCain or Biden and people of about that age.

    In the end, the censorship aspects don't really bother me, because it tends to be a very local issue. You don't censor anything without some sort of agitation behind it, and she's much more likely to find a high percentage of similarly minded people in East Nowhere, AK than in national office.

    And yes, I have to say that while her stance on certain things is not where I'd like it to be, the fact is that all indications are that she'll keep her nose out of the worst of it.

    Ultimately, though, I don't know many people who will for for or against her based on her tech stance. Its going to be the Economy, the War, and then the various wedge issues like abortion, in some order.

  14. Re:Hello... Books? by exley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, if you know small towns with drug problems, you know the patrons of the bars are also the patrons of the meth labs.

    Citation needed. Sure, that sounds good, and might even be true, but if you're gonna generalize like that you've gotta back it up.

    So for the Net under Palin, bottom line: less porn, more drugs.

    What? More drugs? Are you serious, or am I having a "whoosh" moment?

  15. Where does the article say that? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article basically has no proof, only speculation, and a record that ZERO books were actually banned. Obviously we do not know the whole story and just as obviously people are desperately trying to dig up anything negative on Palin they can find. So we should be very skeptical of stories like this until real concrete proof can be found of anything.

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    1. Re:Where does the article say that? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Zero books were banned because we the people revolted, not because she decided censorship is bad. The end result does nothing to refute her wide pro-censorship stance.

  16. Re:Creationism == dumb God by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually Creationism is an affront to God as it teaches us that God, who is supposedly all powerful and all knowing, was not smart enough to develop a dynamic system but had to settle for a static one.

  17. its more about the reality of modern politics by thermian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The simple fact is, if she came out and said creationism was bullshit, she'd lose tens of thousands of votes. Actually, likely a lot more if she said it during the presidential election.

    You *can't* be all out against it and get anywhere in the extreme conservatism of modern US politics.

    It doesn't matter that pushing a version of how life arose which was discredited two centuries ago is insane for the US as a country.

    Its all about the fact that if you say such things as 'Evolution is a proven fact, creationism is a philosophy with no basis in fact', you won't get anywhere in politics, at least not to a high level.

    In reality this is all about pandering to the right wing christian voters.

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  18. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    with basically one kind of business, oil.

    That is completely untrue... Alaska's primary business sources may almost exclusively be exploitation of natural resources, but there's a lot more to it than oil.

    If oil were to shut down tomorrow, Alaska would be hurting, but it wouldn't become like a 3rd world nation or anything - it would continue to have a steady source of revenue.

    That statement shows such a simple-minded understanding of things that it would be the equivalent of saying that California only has the Movie industry.

  19. No you don't. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We learn as much from mistakes as correct actions. (More in some cases)

    Really? So how does a student see a "mistake" after learning Creationism? What does said student "learn" from that "mistake"?

    Seriously, you can teach the difference without saying "Your wrong and have no business being here."

    No, you cannot. Not in a high school science class.

    If you want to teach Creationism, then you do it a class on comparative religions.

    NOT in a science class.

    Do you know how few people can tell the difference between a theory and faith?

    And when you want to teach BOTH in a science class you will only confuse the issue MORE.

    SCIENCE is taught in a science class. Not religion.

    Why do you have a problem with that?

  20. Think about who supported eminent domain by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Her other views -- and more importantly, McCain's other views -- make it highly likely that they'll be appointing more judges to the bench whose readings of the law allow *increasing* amount of power vesting in the federal executive and congress.

    How so? The model for judges McCain and Palin would put forward are those who voted down the DC gun ban, and also voted against the horrific eminent domain decision the court barley passed.

    Because of their libertarian nature, Roe Vs. Wade is not under attack in any way.

    Hamdan vs Rumsfeld is far less significant in the long run than the issues I outlined and I'm not convinced that judges they might appoint would necessarily go one way or the other on that. Scalias descent was in large part based on the fact that he thought the matter should not have been before the coiurt, period - based on laws that were passed. The job of the court is not to choose which laws to ignore and which to support, it is to interpret the laws passed.

    I think moving power more locally is a great idea, but I don't think handing the Presidency to Palin is really going to do the job.

    Then who are you voting for, because Obama is trying to do things like take very effective high school volunteering programs and bring them up to control at the federal level. That's a huge concern to me, not to mention that speaking of judges the models Obama would use would leave eminent domain is the same shape it is now, and uphold things like the DC gun ban.

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  21. That itself shows a weak understanding of science by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When someone believes the earth is flat when we know different and can easily prove it.

    She isn't saying the earth is flat though, is she? She's saying she doesn't oppose the teaching of ID.

    Now I personally do not believe in ID. But it seems obvious to me it's not harmful to teach, for it can also serve as an introduction to the scientific method and explanations about why it's not a theory in the scientific sense.

    Which leads me to the thing that really bothers me about your post. Precisely because ID cannot be proven, it also cannot be disproven - yet you claim in fact that it's easily proven. Where then sir is your grasp of the scientific method?

    The simple fact is that Palin as VP, or President, would be fine even she she believes some things on faith that you do not. There has been a great tradition of scientists that also held strong religious views and I do not see that holding her back from making good choices in science policy.

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  22. Teach challenges to the Theory of Evolution by weston · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Teaching non-science in a science class is not healthy debate.

    Actually, I'm coming to believe a section in science class called "Challenges to the Theory of Evolution" could be extremely productive. You could take common problematic arguments like "If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?" and address some of the reasons why they're poor challenges.

    And there's nothing wrong with exploring any legitimate challenges there may be. Some people will choose to stick God or some other intelligent actor in those gaps, but many might even choose to refine existing theory or explore other alternatives.

    Either way, I think we'd end up with a more informed population less likely to be susceptible to fallacious arguments in the discussion on the topic.

  23. Your libertarian ideal frightens me. by j1mmy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mostly because it does not appear to be libertarian. How can you seriously support McCain and Palin and still consider yourself any sort of libertarian? While the Democrats are pushing the welfare state, the Republicans are pushing the warfare state. They're both pushing the extreme-debt state, too.

    Take this election seriously. Our economy is near, if not at, a disastrous tipping point. Neither major party has any plans to do anything about it.

  24. It should be clear that Obama is .... by 3seas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....throwing the race with bad technical choices in his campaign.

  25. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by idiotnot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    is like that of a small city, 683,478, with basically one kind of business, oil.

    Considering that's more people than live in such "small cit[ies]" such as Baltimore, Boston, Seattle, Denver, DC, Atlanta, etc., I'm curious as to whether you're living in Mexico City or Sao Paulo....

  26. Why is that creepy? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Country First" was heir big theme at the convention and it was creepy to me.

    Far better than "Party First".

    Nationalism combined with Libertarianism means strong states rights. You are combining nationalism with a philosophy of tight federal control, neither of which Palin or McCain share, and which would indeed be "creepy". That's why Obama's national volunteerism program freaks me out, a whole new federal department to do something that high schools across the nation are ALREADY DOING quite well.

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  27. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Considering that's more people than live in such "small cit[ies]" such as Baltimore, Boston, Seattle, Denver, DC, Atlanta, etc.,"

    That is deceiving. Seattle's city limits, for example, is approx 8 miles wide (2 miles at its narrowest) by ~15 miles long. That is extremely small. But the houses, businesses and people don't stop at those boarders. How about we say the metropolitan area for each of those respective cities.

  28. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by pallmall1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah. In the form of welfare from the federal government.

    The $346 million dollars that Alaska received is about three times what Arizona (the lowest earmark beneficiary) got. Alaska is over 5 times as large as Arizona -- Alaska has a land area of 570,380 square miles, Arizona has 113,634 square miles.

    When you consider the sheer size of Alaska, along with the remote setting, and that the federal government has prevented Alaska's economic development due to environmentalist protests, I'd say that implying that Alaska is a welfare state is unfair.

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  29. Bullshit. by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not "Sarah Palin's Stance On Technology Issues". This is "What BetaNews thinks Sarah Palin's Stance on Technology Issues are".

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  30. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...fish, lumber or gold. These are also things that will eventually disappear...

    Well, you got one out of three.

  31. USA Today Bullshit-o-meter offscale by pallmall1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't usually reply to my own posts, but while looking around further, I found this chart showing the actual federal dollars spent among the states. It also includes spending for the District of Columbia (58.6 BILLION DOLLARS). Alaska received such a small amount that there isn't enough room on the graphic to even write the state's name. The USA Today article referenced in the grandparent post doesn't mention total federal spending per state.

    This kind of bullshit -- trying to show that Alaska is a boondoggle dollar sponge by listing per capita breakdown of a portion of federal spending per state instead of actual totals -- is why people think that the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama.

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    1. Re:USA Today Bullshit-o-meter offscale by RicoX9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your numbers are generic. There is no split of Federal funding on a per-capita basis from what is spent ON the Federal facilities and historic landmarks, defense, etc in the District of Columbia. It isn't a fair comparison when your source number is just a "X$ spent" globule.

      As other posters have noted, the fact that they get more per capita than any other STATE (DC not being a state), and are rolling in so much cash that they send citizens a check every year, is a criminal waste of our money.

  32. McCain is hiding from the media, too... by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not just Palin, McCain himself is avoiding the media these days.

    McCain is my senator. He used to hate phonies. He used to shoot the breeze with reporters all the time and he'd almost never dodge a question.

    To win this election, he has become one of the phonies he once hated.

  33. Re:Not equal at all by Snaller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey nutbar, you can observe there is no proof of any god, therefore there should be no teaching in how things have been created by the unprovable supernatural invention.

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  34. Re:feels silly by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Sorry, but she helped write that speech with the aid of a speechwriter. She;s very much her own person which you'd realize if you studied her past - especially in relation to the Republican party which she had to fight VERY hard to become governor.

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  35. Re:feels silly by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If one feels that Palin is unqualified to be VP, then certainly Obama is unqualified to be President. And, by your same reasoning, Obama is being told exactly what to say and how to say it.

    I know who is pulling Palin's strings - who's pulling Obama's?

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  36. Re:Iraq war 'a task that is from God' - Palin by shmlco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone thinks that "god" is talking directly to them, then we need to find them a nice little padded room so they can do no harm to themselves nor to others.

    And if "god" wants a pipeline then He can damn well snap His fingers and whip it up Himself. Should be no problem whatsoever for someone who can create an entire universe in a mere six days...

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  37. Re:Internet in Alaska by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, FUD to you too. The jet was draining the budget, jets require on-going maintenance, even if parked. Getting rid of it saved money. It depreciated, hence the 600K drop from purchase. Where did you find the market value and did you consider transportation? Good spin, though.

  38. Re:feels silly by dcroxton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should feel silly, for making such a joke of a comment. You pre-emptively call anyone who disagrees with you a troll, yet your post is full of completely unsupported assertions about Palin's supposed inability to make independent decisions. If her background says anything, it is that she does not just do what she is told.

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  39. Re:Iraq war 'a task that is from God' - Palin by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a solid atheist, as can be seen by reading my posts here and elsewhere. Have been since age thirteen. "God's will" is neither scary nor odd. It's a common phrase uttered by religious people.

  40. Re:Which is worse then by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you say that every one claims to believe in God, but some do not. Would not the worst people then be those that claim to do so only for political expediency?

    Yes.

    Should we not seek to elect those that generally tell us what they are actually thinking?

    Can't remember when was the last time I saw one of those.

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  41. Re:feels silly by mrseth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's one measure of "readiness" to be president: The ability to face the press. Where is Palin on the Sunday talk shows? She is missing (we do not see Obama hiding from the press). This is highly unusual for a VP candidate. If that Kilkenny letter has any truth in it (and it appears to be legit at first blush), she has a lot to answer for on her record, and our country is in great danger if this person ever gets put into power. I think we have had enough of authoritarians already. I get the impression that she is a female Cheney or Nixon.

  42. Re:feels silly by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, but she helped write that speech with the aid of a speechwriter. She;s very much her own person which you'd realize if you studied her past - especially in relation to the Republican party which she had to fight VERY hard to become governor.

    Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    Evidence, please.

    If you've heard her speak on her own, or seen things she writes, you know that she can barely put together a grammatically sensical sentence. Sometimes "with the aid of a speechwriter" means polish, and sometimes it means that the candidate stood there and had maybe a little input.

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  43. Re:Iraq war 'a task that is from God' - Palin by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies

    I think that one quote sums if in a single sentence everything that's wrong with the Republican party's current ideals.

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  44. Re:feels silly by nahdude812 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think Obama has far out-proven his qualifications for being president over McCain. Although I don't agree with all of his policies, his policies make sense and he has good and well-supported reasons for them. He has a good clear vision for the long-term and near-term future.

    Way more significantly he has demonstrated decades more maturity than nearly anyone in the GOP. He has refused to reciprocate the meaningless character attacks and outright lies that the GOP and John McCain has leveraged against him. He has so far held true to his word. He has so far in his life proven that he's willing to put the needs of average citizens above his own greed.

    The GOP has the audacity to MOCK his time as a public servant and community organizer in Chicago. Here's a guy who, with his Harvard law degree, and the ability to make hundreds of thousands of dollars, instead put aside his own greed and got his hands dirty on the streets.

    This isn't a guy who's running for self gain. His pre-political career proves it unless you want to call those years merely a political tactic.

    Here's a guy who sees something wrong with the system. Here's a guy who has the intelligence, charisma, and wherewithal to unite this country and make us feel good about ourselves again. He's got the necessary skills to make the world once again love the USA, or at least not despise us.

    George Bush has spent the last 8 years using international good will toward the USA as form of currency to purchase the ability to misbehave in the world. International good will toward America has risen merely on the prospect that we'll be wise enough to elect this man president.

    It's time the USA became a force for good in this world again. McCain won't lead us there, he's too busy slinging mud to even spend time forming a cogent policy on how to run this country. Obama can take us there.

  45. Re:Governor for 2 years. Before: Mayor of a town. by ravenshrike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that the vast majority of American(possibly all, but I'm not certain) logging companies specifically plant their own supply to avoid deforestation and much of Alaskan salmon(Not all by any means, but a quite sizable portion) is grown in fisheries, you're barking up the wrong tree on those. Yes gold is limited, but I'm pretty sure they know that and they also know it's completely non-renewable.

  46. Rote Learning by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I think you'll find that this is precisely the problem - education is being replaced with rote learning of stuff "

    One, you're wrong. Two, I wish you were right.

    Rote learning used to be part and parcel of US education, especially at the middle and high school level. It was absolutely essential. And we chucked it aside starting in the late 1960's in favor of more "organic" learning methods.

    And that's precisely why students can't recall important dates, names, places, and events. This is one reason why we're worse at math. This is why we can't recite lines of important poetry anymore.

    Rote learning is painful, boring, and hard work. It's also a necessary ingredient in a good, well rounded education, and I'm a bit tired of this faux-hippyish ranting against it. Learning... real learning... isn't all fun and games and personal fulfillment. Like anything else in this world worth achieving, it takes work, and not just the kinds of work we like

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  47. Re:feels silly by thestuckmud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone (possibly Thom Hartmann during his radio show) talked about a conversation he had with disenfranchised Ron Paul supporters. Unhappy with both McCain and Obama, they would have supported Dennis Kucinich! Paul and Kucinich seem in many ways polar opposites, but they share honesty and the willingness to speak truth to power.

    I don't blame them. Bringing back accountability, ethics, and good old fashioned non-felonious conduct is a top priority in my book. For what its worth, I don't trust Palin to move us in that direction.

  48. Re:feels silly by ravenshrike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obama could fuck a squirrel in Millennium Park on live TV and the press would be gushing over his presence.

  49. Re:feels silly by electrosoccertux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Huh, kinda like Obama won't go to a debate with McCain until just recently? Or how he wouldn't take Hillary up on her debate proposition?

    Sure is ready.

  50. Re:feels silly by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    because she is pro-life, pro-creationist, and anti-gay

    If that were true, the GOP would have had McCain pick Kay Baily Hutchison, Mitt Romney, or Mike Huckabee. McCain himself wanted to pick Lieberman, but was pursuaded at the last minute to pick Palin by Rove, etc. There were several more qualified, longer serving Governors, Senators, and Congressmen that would have been more qualified than Palin.

    Palin got picked b/c she would take orders and appeal to this fictitious demographic of disgruntled Hillary supporters that the MSM invented.

    All Palin will do in the end is energize Democrats and level headed independents. Only Neo-Con stalwart Repub's will support McCain now. Sure there was a (significantly smaller than the Dem's) convention full of GOP'ers cheering their heads off for Palin. That happens at EVERY convention these days. Delegates are the most committed party workers. They would cheer for a cardboard cut-out of Ronald Reagan in a cowboy hat if the GOP nominated it.

    Fact is, the MSM got nervous b/c they didn't want to be accused of being 'sexist' (btw, all of the sudden people have forgotten what that word means) by the GOP. But slowly and surely they will start demanding of Palin what they demanded of Obama, and Palin will come up severely wanting.

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  51. Lincoln by Irvu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lincoln made a point as president to fill his cabinet with his political rivals. Every one of them from the VP on down had campaigned against him and, at the start, did not wish him well. By and large his enemies (except for Jefferson Davis) were closer than his friends.

    It's a testament to his skill and personal charm that he managed not only to win their backing but to earn their respect, a respect that, whatever you say about his politics, did make them an effective team.

    "If you're dumb surround yourself with smart people, and if you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you."

  52. Re:feels silly by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would the press be Liberal-biased when it is mostly Republican-owned?

  53. Re:Presidential belief in God by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who votes for candidates because they say they have 'faith' is a moron.

    1. Belief in God has nothing to with whether a person has the attributes for leadership.

    2. True people of faith don't wear their faith on their sleeves and brag about it; they walk humbly, respect and honor other human beings, and never assume that their 'faith' makes them better than someone else or that their faith is right while someone else's is wrong.

    No I am not a 'psychic'. But I am an intelligent consumer. And I don't buy bull.

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  54. Re:feels silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let me get this straight. You wonder why Palin has not appeared on the Sunday political talk shows. She accepted the nomination as Vice-Presidential candidate a few days ago. There has only been one Sunday since then (actually, only a fraction of a Sunday). Sounds like you may be parroting statements made on left-wing blogs. If you all will be a little bit patient, I'm sure you will see her on Sunday political talk shows in the near future. Then you can judge her based on her statements and not on speculation and misinformation obtained from blog sites.