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Interplanetary Internet Tested In Space
Anonymous Coward writes "After Vint Cerf planned the Interplanetary Internet, there's a press release saying that the Interplanetary Internet is now being tested in space, using the Bundle Protocol developed by the Delay-Tolerant Networking Research Group. There's a conference paper with details on the testing too. These guys were previously the first to test IPv6 in space. Now they've found something with even fewer users than IPv6 to play with!"
This is impossible. How the hell is are interplanetary tubes supposed to work?
Does VoIP work when there's no sound in space?
Cue packet-sending spacedwelling overlord jokes in 0101, 0011, 0001, ...
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
But not as we know it.
Think of the strings as wires and tubes as insulation.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
can now get harassed to make savings on his long distance calls to his home planet
-- Sex is the antonym of pringles. Once you pop it's time to stop.
Give me subspace communication please...
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Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Wait till you try to play World of Warcraft from MARS!
can't wait for the space pr0n sites to pop up
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
/ping Mars
More people should be using IPv6, and it's really easy. I have miredo on all of my computers (teredo for Linux) and scripts that update a dynamic DNS name when the miredo interface's IP changes.
Imagine being able to get remote access to any of your machines, anywhere, without ever setting up port forwarding or creating another username and password for a tunneling service.
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Interplanetary Internet Tested In Space.
Uhh, where else would they test it?
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Bruce Perens.
I can move to Mars without regrets.
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Vint Cerf may have worked on the development, but the idea was covered by Vernor Vinge in 1992 ("A Fire Upon The Deep"). Yes, it was fiction, but Vinge drew on his knowledge as a computer scientist. He also betrayed himself as having more than a passing familiarity with the pitfalls and pratfalls of usenet message threads. "Hexapodia As The Key Insight" (Thanks, Jack.)
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Which country is leading this?
I looked on their website for a bit, and couldn't find the answer.
TFA says transmission between the earth and satellites. So, Ok, the earth is a planet (yeah, like whatever), where is the ohter planet? Did those astronmy clowns change the planet definition again?
And yet in some parts of the country calls are still dropped everywhere. Fascinating.
I wonder how fast you can download a porno in space. wouldn't want any lonely astronauts.
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V 1.0 IPV4, world coverage, good speeds, Information Superhighway
V 2.0 IPV6, much faster, light speed is the limit
V 3.0 SSWW aka Solar System Wide Web, why run in a superhighway if you can crawl in the space?
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So those limited robotic probes can communicate of course. Not having to invent a whole new protocol and being able to re-use existing sattelites for retransmission is a big win for future missions.
http://notanumber.net/
The point is that the robotic probes will be accessible through the internet if you catch my drift ;)
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So now the Mars rover's tracks will spell "PWN'D" if you look at them from high enough altitude?
I use IPv6 at home as any of the "few millions" in France that have access to it thanks to their provider, for instance Free (#2 on ISP market). Orange (#1) has made some tests and are ready for the service. The problem with IPv6 is the chicken/egg scenario. Which on has to be the first for the other to exist : IPv6 address or IPv6 available services ;-)
IPv6 is a mather of choice, you don't have it, you don't have access to the IPv6 base services. For instance Free got a service calle TeleSites. You can define your own "TV web sites", but it mandates IPv6. If you don't have a website working with IPv6, it can not be shown on your TV, end of story.
Then, guess what are users choice when they want to have TeleSites published ?
"You mean from a different planet, which I would count as "in space"."
It is a matter of perspective, Earthling. :)
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Actually, Delay-tolerant Networking has applications that go beyond just space. One prime example is acoustic networks for oceanic monitoring - http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/4302188/4302189/04302341.pdf has a nice paper about the application. Also, battlefield communications where there may be intermittent connectivity benefits from DTN.
Anyway, the reason for getting direct IP connectivity to space probes is to reduce the overhead: If you can just say wget http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mars/opportunity/todayspic.jpg to access Oppy's camera instead of having to go through various hoops it makes everyones work easier. Combine this with dynamic and automatic routing (for example, for solar oppositions)..So yes, mostly the benefits are for scientists and engineers in space projects.
I'd like to see a ring of comsats around every planet, and in other strategic locations, so we were never again on the dark side for any robotic probe, manned mission, etc. They can't be that expensive, though I haven't a clue how many you'd need to deploy around a planet to guarantee 24 hour connectivity.
Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice not to have to wait 8 months for DSL when you move into that condo in shadow of Olympos Mons?
If you don't know what you're doing, you can't make mistakes.
Arthur C. Clarke envisaged this problem years ago for 2001.
America, Home of the Brave.
Wonder if the larger planets will charge higher for the wifi like hotels do. Stay at a 1st class hotel/space station, charge exuberant wifi prices. Stay at a Motel 6 / Planet 6 and get free wifi
You're talking like working on a way of networking things excludes *also* working on a way to get people to Mars.
It seems unlikely to me that the people working on this are the same set of people designing propulsion systems, and ways of sustaining life on other planets.
/. is supposed to be a place for the innovative (or so we like to pretend). Show us something new. Shock from generic offensiveness is boring. It's old hat. Might as well try to impress us with your Pentium III. If you're going to be one of the FP obsessives, prepare something better to cut and paste in.
How about personal revelations? "I'm having sex with my brother" would do. "I buy all of my software at Target and I buy whatever they suggest" would do even better.
Or rude haiku about, say, Cowboy Neal. That might propagate.
Or blasts from the past. "I"M TYPING THIS IN MY NEW ACCOUNT ON AOL. HI THERE."
Ya see, some of us still have this silly idea THAT THREADS SHOULD BE ABOUT DISCUSSING THE FUCKING ISSUE BROUGHT UP IN THE GODDAMN INITIAL POST.
So if you insist on engaging in your adolescent crap, at least try to make it amusing.
Thank you.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
Ya know, ROFL is damn near literal in this case. Sweet. Evil but sweet.
"Contact lens code". Very nice.
It's all about the information. And what we do with it.
> ping zaphod.betelgeuse.net PING zaphod.betelgeuse.net (42.42.42.42): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 42.42.42.42: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=26931744000042.0 ms
im in ur shuttle eatin all ur potata chips
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Oh, sure, the practical uses. I hear 'Delay-Tolerant Networking', and I think 'carrier pidgeon'.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Nothing new here. FidoNet has been providing latency tolerant networking since the 1980s. Just ask our friends in Cuba, they're still using something similar, but thumb drives and USB key fobs means the packet size can be well over a Gigabyte. Put that in your pipe I mean 'series of tubes', and smoke it!
How about testing it on carrier pigeons?
Just to clear up what seems to be a common confusion, DTN is *not* IP for space. It is a new networking stack that can work *over* IP, but fundamentally uses a store and forward architecture, and can uses other physical or transport layers. It will work with minibuses driving around rural africa, and it will allow "bundles" to be eventually delivered to probes that are in the shadow of a planet. See dtnrg.org
We could connect and control the aim of the camera. And the images would get sent back to Earth, etc, etc, etc.
Then we place one one Mars...
Fun, and we get to test this "interplanetary internet" thing...
Doesn't seem all that hard to do...
can now get harassed to make savings on his long distance calls to his home planet
And also receive e-mails about pills that make his finger longer.
Do we really need error correction in space?
Can we get confirmation on this? I'm pretty sure nothing has fewer users than IPv6.
Game... blouses.
But how else am I going to configure my Web enabled deep-space probe?
Right said Fred. It has been used for quite a few sensornet applications where eventual delivery of data is essential. Another example could be for connectivity on highways. For example, an email app running over a DTN bundle layer could schedule bundles for future delivery while you were using your laptop in a car. You could then have geographically dispersed access points which provide intermittent connectivity to the Internet. Whenever you cross one of these access points the DTN protocol stack on your laptop could transfer as many bundles (including partial bundles) as it could during that short period. Whenever you reach another access point, your machine could start transmitting from exactly where it left off (the convergence layers running below the bundle layer would help in figuring out the right point) without having to start the data transfer from the beginning as you would have to without DTN. This is only possible because DTN allows for in-network storage and custody transfers (where one or more intermediate node in the network accepts responsibility for the delivery of bundles to the destination). DTN has some very useful applications although it was originally conceived for the Interplanetary Internet.
Also, if you host your own web-server from space, you can host any kind of content you like without having to worry about the specific regulations associated with the country your server is in.
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In case you were wondering, BitTorrent has an average download rate of 1kb/decade here also.
[MESSAGE ENDS]
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Will Craigslist be subdivided by Planetary locale? I'm thinking the M4A (Man-4-Alien) and W4A (Women-4-Alien) sections will be quite large unless they're subdivided.
"After Vint Cerf planned the Interplanetary Internet"
I thought Al Gore planned the Interplanetary Internet...
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I attended a talk given by Vint Cerf at the local Google office (in Tempe, AZ, though it's referred to as "Google Phoenix"), and he discussed another application: text messaging between soldiers, and between soldiers and commanding officers, in battlefield conditions. The devices might not have exposure to a network all the time, so they relay messages to the next node when it becomes visible/available.
Vint Cerf said this was already being used in the field.
Of course, sending cheaper robotic probes out into the solar system becomes easier if you have a network of nodes spread throughout the solar system -- and of course, each new probe sent becomes yet another node for relaying traffic through, so none of the probes ever cease to be useful/functional. This is the proper way to leverage our past and present space efforts as infrastructure for the future! This has already helped us realize cost reductions for the most recent Mars landers we sent -- they were using satellites already in orbit around Mars to relay messages back to Earth, which reduces the size, weight, and power requirements of any radios built into the lander.
Give the little pigeons space suits and use IPoAC
Interplanetary spacecraft could deploy routers along the way. They needn't stay on defined orbits as long as most of them don't stray too far from the sun. Without propulsion the only energy they'd need would be for transmitting, so they could be pretty small. It would prolongate the lifespan of space probes as they'd need less energy to reach us (less distance, less solar noise, no atmosphere for all but the last hop).