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WoW: Wrath of the Lich King Release Date Announced

Mini-Geek and many others tipped news that Blizzard has announced the release date for Wrath of the Lich King , World of Warcraft's second expansion. It will be in stores on November 13th in the US and Europe. They've also released details about the contents of the Collector's Edition. Wrath will be preceded by a large content patch, which will expand the talent trees and include many of the gameplay changes set for the expansion (including the consolidation of spell damage and healing into 'spellpower,' achievements, and a new profession). The patch was installed on the public test realm yesterday, and the current patch notes are available.

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  1. Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the way.. by SilentChris · · Score: 5, Funny

    * "It'll be more of the same."
    * "You can never win an MMORPG. It's a never-ending treadmill."
    * "Thank God I got off that crack a year ago."
    * "It won't be as good as Eve/Warhammer/etc."
    * "Blizzard isn't going to get another one of my dollars after that DMCA bullshit."
    * "I'm waiting for Diablo 3/StarCraft 2."
    * "I hate PC games. Console games rule."

    I think I've covered the major ones. On that note, I have my copy on preorder.

  2. That soon? by MarkovianChained · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a part of the beta right now, as well as a few friends and guildmates. Sure, there are bugs now given that it's beta, and I don't expect it to be bug-free at release, but... given how many fundamental things are broken right now (continents crashing regularly, critical talents for some class builds not working, etc), I wonder how they plan to have this out in less than two months.

    Then again, I'm a sucker, so I'll be buying it anyway.

    1. Re:That soon? by Necroman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been playing WotLK on and off for 4 months now (alpha/beta) and seen it come a long ways in that time. When they first made it "public" only a few classes had new talents and abilities, some of which did not even work. Much of the landscape was unfinished (Dalaran barely even existed in the early patches).

      They need to clean up some talents/abilities, finish some content, but there really isn't a whole lot to finish. At this point it will be a lot of tweaking of all the changes they made. They know they can't get it right the first time so they will try to make it as balanced as possible with 3.0.2. Within a week or 2, 3.0.3 will be out to fix the critical issues. They are close, and I think it will be ready to go.

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    2. Re:That soon? by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      continents crashing regularly

      That's what drives orogeny, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:That soon? by Androclese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So basically...

      You are in the Private Beta right now and once it launches in two months, I'll be part of the 10 million player Open Beta?

      OK! Sign me up!

    4. Re:That soon? by Fozzyuw · · Score: 2, Informative

      They need to clean up some talents/abilities, finish some content, but there really isn't a whole lot to finish. At this point it will be a lot of tweaking of all the changes they made.

      Right, talents, spells, etc. are all things that are not actually part of the expansion, which consists of new content (new zones, factions, items, mobs, and a class). Everything else will be addressed via the Test Server and the patch that will precede the expansion, kind of like The Burning Crusade. Now that the new patch is on the test realm, I'm sure the talents and things will come along nicely.

      Should the talent changes and things like "spellpower" have issues, they'll know and push back the release date until some point after the patch goes out. Speaking of which, we can probably expect the 3.0 patch to go live around the end of Oct. early Nov. all things being equal.

      Either way, the only thing that will be on the CD's in the box will be the content files. The mechanics will all be mostly implemented through the patch. Pretty common practice now-a-days.

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    5. Re:That soon? by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not positive, but from what I've heard you have to do quite a bit of stuff before you're allowed to leave the Deathknight starting area. I've not played it, but most people I've talked to said that you'd generally make it from level 55 to level 58 before you could get out.

      I may be mistaken there though.

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    6. Re:That soon? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You aren't. You have to do the intro quests to get out into good old EPL, much less the wider world. Until you finish the final quest in the chain, for example, all the NPCs in your capital cities are unfriendly to you, and jeer at you, throw things at you, etc.

      Fortunately, given how they implemented the starting area, it shouldn't be that bad. Crowded, but manageable.

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    7. Re:That soon? by vitaflo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was in both the Alpha and Beta of Burning Crusade. Even up to a couple weeks from release I thought they still had work to do, but they pulled it off pretty well. I see no reason why WotLK will be different. I would certainly expect there to be a patch after you install the retail game for obvious reasons.

  3. If you play WoW, it's worth it. by Petersko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Burning Crusade was a great add-on, and I expect that this new one will be just as good. Sure, some people will complain that they have to buy content AND pay a monthly fee, but I only have to buy it once. If they skimped on the content I'd be upset too, but they don't. I'll get far more playing time out of this add-on than I have gotten out of any other recent game purchase.

    1. Re:If you play WoW, it's worth it. by Yosho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As the other poster commented, $800 is a great deal for 4 years of entertainment. You can go on cruises or trips to resorts that will cost you more than that after only a week or two, and the only things you'll have to show for it when you come back are a sunburn and a t-shirt.

      Or, to compare that price to other video games: let's say that your average single player action game provides a max of 20 hours of entertainment, and your average single player RPG provides a max of 40. If you play a mix of the genres 10 hours a week (perfectly reasonable for a casual gamer, and way under the norm for a "hardcore" gamer), you'll go through an average of 1 game every 3 weeks. With a typical game costing $50, you'll spend over $1700 on games in two years. WoW is way cheaper than playing single player games.

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    2. Re:If you play WoW, it's worth it. by Talderas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All entertainment is based on the assumption that you enjoy the product being sold to the point where you're going to pay for it. Comparing the cost per hour of various forms of entertainment is a completely valid comparison.

      For example, let's say you go to a 2 hour movie for $8. The cost is $4/hr. Likely the enjoyment from one hour of a movie is going to be more than one hour of playing WoW. However at $0.34/hr WoW is hardly a good comparison. Is approximately 24 hours of WoW just as enjoyable as a 2 hour movie? If the 24 hours of WoW are likely to be more enjoyable than a 2 hour movie, then WoW is the better deal since you're getting more satisfaction for the money you're spending.

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    3. Re:If you play WoW, it's worth it. by MeanderingMind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have a good point, but it's muddled in your stereotyping and misinformation. You're also missing the point.

      The good point is that a cruise has worth as it potentially offers you opportunities WoW does not.

      Your problem is that you overlook that the same is true of WoW. What the cruise and WoW offer are separate and address different needs. The comparison used in the GP highlights that.

      WoW is very economical entertainment, and very convenient. It fills the same niche as movies, books and television. For four years worth of entertainment $800 is extremely cheap. It looks a lot bigger because we're summing up the total costs over years.

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    4. Re:If you play WoW, it's worth it. by duckInferno · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather sit in the basement playing games. But then that's my opinion of a good time. YMMV

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  4. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by the_fat_kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    you insensitive clod, now what are we supposed to talk about?

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  5. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by Poltras · · Score: 5, Funny

    * "It won't be as good as Eve/Warhammer/etc."

    Uh, I've been playing etc online for like a week. That game was crap. Eve/WAR maybe, but etc, never.

  6. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by TheNecromancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    * "You can never win an MMORPG. It's a never-ending treadmill."

    Yeah, but my doctor says I need the exercise.

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  7. First Quest! by CorporateSuit · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Zug Zug and Welcome to Northrend! To help with the landing efforts, we're going to need you to kill 12 iceboars, 8 frost basilisks, and 10 snow buzzards!"

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    1. Re:First Quest! by sky289hawk1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the first quest in Borean Tundrea involves you meeting the general in the barrack, and killing 6 crypt fiends. That being said, the Death Knight starting zone is a well crafted masterpiece with a dynamic changing world that helps tells a gruesome and tragic tale of your death knighthood. It was one of the best 6 hours of WoW in a long time.

    2. Re:First Quest! by Daswolfen · · Score: 2, Informative

      unfortunatly, most of that was lag ;)

      but the OP is right, it is FANTASTICALLY well done. the fact that the game changes with you and unlike those lazy carpenters in Lakeshire, you can see the changes happening. Plus the fact you actually feel like a participant in the story rather than the observer. I especially like the reaction you get when you come to Stormwind and have to make your way to the king while being pelted by rotten fruit and eggs, and being threatened with hanging.

      So far, Blizzard have out done themselves with this expansion, despite all the QQing about servers being down and beatings with the nerf hammer.

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  8. Re:patch notes? by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Test Patch Notes Disclaimer: The test realm patch notes only apply to features that exist on the public test realms. We provide these patch notes to players who wish to know what features and changes exist in the test environment in order to more effectively test these features.

    To learn more about the Public Test Realm, visit our Test Realm Page.

    World of Warcraft PTR Patch 2.4.3

    The latest patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/

    The latest test realm patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html

    General

    * Dispel effects will no longer attempt to remove effects that have 100% dispel resistance.
    * Parry Rating, Defense Rating, and Block Rating: Low-level players will now convert these ratings into their corresponding defensive stats at the same rate as level 34 players.
    * Haris Pilton has launched a new line of bags and jewelry. Check her out in the World's End Tavern!
    * Mounts at 30?! Yes, it's true: Apprentice Riding and mounts are now available at level 30. Training costs 35 gold.
    * Blood Elf flightmasters outside of Silvermoon City and Tranquillien have traded in their bats for glorious fire-breathing dragonhawks.
    * Alcohol cooldowns have been rolled into Drinks: All 10-second cooldowns have been removed and replaced with the 1-second Drink cooldown.
    * Numerous flying non-combat pets have had their flight height modified to no longer skim along the ground: captured firefly, dragonhawk hatchlings, moths, owls, parrots, phoenix hatchling, spirit of summer, sprite darter, and tiny sporebat.
    * Nether Ray Fry (a non-combat pet) is now available from the Skyguard Quartermaster. This requires an Exalted reputation with Sha'tari Skyguard.
    * Equipping an item will now cancel any spell cast currently in progress.
    * Placing an item in your bank will now cancel any spell cast currently in progress if the spell was cast by that item.
    * You can no longer move backwards to stop racing rams.
    * When a stun wears off, the creature that was stunned will prefer the last target with the highest threat, versus the current target.

    Druids

    * Barkskin: The cost of this spell is now reduced by Tree of Life Form.

    Hunters

    * Growl: Pets will no longer generate additional threat from this ability based on attack power buffs cast on them. Attack power buffs on their master will still indirectly increase the threat generated by the pet's Growl.
    * Pet Aggro: Pets will no longer generate threat immediately from being summoned.
    * Scare Beast: This spell will now be limited correctly to one target.

    Mages

    * Frost Armor, Ice Armor, Mage Armor, and Molten Armor are no longer Magic effects and cannot be dispelled.

    Paladins

    * Greater Blessing of Light Rank 1: This spell will no longer overwrite Greater Blessing of Light Rank 2.
    * Summon Warhorse is now available at level 30.

    Priests

    * Mind Vision: This effect will now be cancelled immediately on targets who use an Invisibility Potion or Gnomish Cloaking Device.
    * Spiritual Healing: Ranks 2-5 of this talent will no longer prevent refreshing Prayer of Mending.

    Rogues

    * Cheat Death: This talent has be

  9. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    WoW is like a treadmill that makes you fatter.

  10. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by Petersko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "On that note, I'm a total fucking loser."

    Fixed that for you.

    That "fixed that for you" thing is getting really, really old. I know the best you can do is ape other people's wit, but at least let the old guard die.

    "LOL, loser."

    Anybody who uses LOL in a forum that doesn't limit responses to the length of a cellular text message is most certainly a loser.

  11. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by ParanoiaBOTS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just think of how pathetically sad it would be if there was a insanely long uncut movie of your retarded ass sitting there for day after day after day after day wasting your useless life away in front of the absolute bottom of the barrel/mass market/Brittany Spears of MMORPGs, WoW.

    LOL, loser.

    Versus say...trolling slashdot all day?

  12. Wait... is that man made of straw? by Petersko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "19.99 + 29.99 + 29.99 = 79.97 so that gets you WoW, WoW:BC, WoW:WOTLK November 23, 2004 - November 23, 2008 @14.99 per mon = 719.52 for 4 years $799.49 grand total. Yeah, I mean that's a totally reasonable price for 1 game and 2 expansions.... or not."

    Or you could look at it this way. The add-on will cost you about what... 3.9% of what you've paid so far?

    I said that if you play WoW the add-on is a good deal, and it is. You're arguing that WoW itself isn't a good deal. You might believe that, but that's not what I said.

    For further reference: Straw Man

    1. Re:Wait... is that man made of straw? by onefriedrice · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also calculating the total paid and thinking its expensive is just ridiculous, I mean, will he stop eating because he spent a lot of money on food?

      You're not really comparing WoW with food, are you? Really? I hope I won't have to explain how unrelated that comment is, since food is a necessity and WoW/[insert any MMORPG] is merely what you choose to do with your time...

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  13. Go ahead... roll a deathknight. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then embrace sheer joy in the starting zone with interesting game play, a good storyline and the pleasant experience of phasing.

    Then set foot into Outland, feel your heart sink as you realize that you and thousands of others exactly like you have to do the grind to 70 in same content you've been playing for the last year, while all your friends tell you how great Northrend is.

  14. QUICK! by fragbait · · Score: 3, Funny

    Every gnome in the game get ready to get your pink mohawk! ...buncha sheep. At least I'm not bitter.

    -fragbait

  15. Re:patch notes? by Fbelch · · Score: 4, Informative

    PTR 3.0.2 Patch Notes
    The latest test realm patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html The latest patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/
    General

    - All players will have their talent points reimbursed and will have access to new talents throughout their trees; this includes the 51-point talents. Several new spells and abilities have been added for all classes. Players will need to visit their class trainer to learn new spells.
    - The Kirin Tor have made their move and so has Dalaran.Please watch your step around the crater that has been left behind!
    - The Barber Shop has been implemented and you can now visit one of the Barber Shops in the major cities to change your appearance. Be sure to get your Shave and a Haircut!
    - The all new Achievement System has been implemented and the Achievement panel can be accessed via the interface. While many achievements are not retroactive, we have done our best to credit as many as possible. Gamemasters will not be able to grant achievements for past accomplishements.
    - Stormwind Harbor is now open for business.
    - New towers have been added outside Of Orgrimmar and in Tirisfal Glades. Crews are currently at work to establish a new Zeppelin route to Northrend for your travel pleasure. Please no /spit off of the towers.
    - A new entrance is now viewable in the Caverns of Time.
    - Hit Rating, Critical Strike Rating, and Haste Rating now modify both melee attacks and spells.
    - Spell casting and spell channeling pushback has been changed to the following:
    - When casting a spell:
    + The first and second hit will add .5 secs each to the cast time.
    + All hits after the second will have no effect.
    - When channeling a spell:
    + The first and second hit reduces current duration by 25% of total duration each.
    + All hits after the second will have no effect.
    - Spellpower:
    + All items and effects which grant bonuses to spell damage and spell healing are being consolidated into a single stat, Spellpower. This stat will appear with the same values found on items which grant âoeincreased spell damage and healingâ such as on typical Mage and Warlock itemization.
    # For classes which do not heal, they should see no change in the character sheet other than new tooltip wording.
    + Healing characters will see their bonus healing numbers on the character sheet decrease, however, all healing spells have been modified to receive more benefit from spellpower than they received fr

  16. Re:patch notes? -- PTR 3.0.2 Patch Notes by Fbelch · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are the Proper 3.0.2 patch notes...

    PTR 3.0.2 Patch Notes
    The latest test realm patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html The latest patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/
    General

    - All players will have their talent points reimbursed and will have access to new talents throughout their trees; this includes the 51-point talents. Several new spells and abilities have been added for all classes. Players will need to visit their class trainer to learn new spells.
    - The Kirin Tor have made their move and so has Dalaran.Please watch your step around the crater that has been left behind!
    - The Barber Shop has been implemented and you can now visit one of the Barber Shops in the major cities to change your appearance. Be sure to get your Shave and a Haircut!
    - The all new Achievement System has been implemented and the Achievement panel can be accessed via the interface. While many achievements are not retroactive, we have done our best to credit as many as possible. Gamemasters will not be able to grant achievements for past accomplishements.
    - Stormwind Harbor is now open for business.
    - New towers have been added outside Of Orgrimmar and in Tirisfal Glades. Crews are currently at work to establish a new Zeppelin route to Northrend for your travel pleasure. Please no /spit off of the towers.
    - A new entrance is now viewable in the Caverns of Time.
    - Hit Rating, Critical Strike Rating, and Haste Rating now modify both melee attacks and spells.
    - Spell casting and spell channeling pushback has been changed to the following:
    - When casting a spell:
    + The first and second hit will add .5 secs each to the cast time.
    + All hits after the second will have no effect.
    - When channeling a spell:
    + The first and second hit reduces current duration by 25% of total duration each.
    + All hits after the second will have no effect.
    - Spellpower:
    + All items and effects which grant bonuses to spell damage and spell healing are being consolidated into a single stat, Spellpower. This stat will appear with the same values found on items which grant âoeincreased spell damage and healingâ such as on typical Mage and Warlock itemization.
    # For classes which do not heal, they should see no change in the character sheet other than new tooltip wording.
    + Healing characters will see their bonus healing numbers on the character sheet decrease, however, all healing spells have been modified to receive mo

  17. It's interesting. by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many of these announcements are being made before, not at, blizzcon, and how they all line up to be made within days of Warhammer Online's release. While it's normal to try and steal the spotlight from a competitor, this does seem awfully reactionary by Blizzard's normal standards of pr.

  18. Re:Distributed waste by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Interesting
    First off, not all of us are on unlimited, high-speed broadband. Second, in my experience the official P2P client is abysmal. There are vast numbers of users who never seed at all, making even small patches take an inordinately long time to download.

    The price of pressing and packaging discs is negligible, especially with the economy of scale that they're operating on. They're guaranteed sales to retail chains by the hundreds of thousands; a massive, lump sale like that looks a lot better on the spreadsheets than a steady trickle of downloads, and moves the strain of demand off their servers and network.

  19. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by mopower70 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our friends at ManaPotions.com would beg to differ.

  20. Re:StarCraft by illeism · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yep, and we all have mod points today somehow... but seriously... I'm starting to wonder if the only people getting mod points and zealots and trolls...

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  21. Re:StarCraft by lgw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm, I got modpoints today, I play WoW, *and* I'm a zealot and a troll - yup, it's an evil conspiracy!

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  22. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by kv9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody who uses LOL in a forum that doesn't limit responses to the length of a cellular text message is most certainly a loser.

    LOL

  23. Re:The women! must not forget them by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, most of my friends who play WoW are women, not men.

    Think of all the poor hubbies who will be saying "But sweetness, can't I roll a death knight oo?"

    To which their wives will say "Step away from my pink-haired Gnome Death Knight or you're sleeping on the couch tonight!"

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  24. Sigh... there's just nothing better yet... by CronicBurn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For over a year now we have been grinding reputation, grinding gold, and grinding gear. Tier 4, Tier 5, Tier 6, Sunwell, Endless wipes on Kalecgos... And now, back to square one.

    Now with "improved" talents, more level grinding, more rep grinding, special attention to things like _hair cuts_.

    Completely ignore things that are really important to some people. A self sustaining economy, a trade system that is GOOD or even marginally good... Those who have played Eve KNOW a good trade skill system, and economy...

    Professions that actually make money for the player instead of being an endless pit for us to wastefully throw gold at to the the 2-3 really good items that get replaced in a couple months when we clear Naxx...

    I digress... I will buy the expansion, and I will play, and grind, etc. I will not be happy about it. I just cannot leave because there is nothing better yet. When there is, I and may others will just go elsewhere. Why? Because Blizzard is tuning the game to people who only play an hour a day.

    Remember when "Epic" meant something? When they didn't just drop from the last boss in a 5 man?

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    1. Re:Sigh... there's just nothing better yet... by skrolle2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I will buy the expansion, and I will play, and grind, etc. I will not be happy about it.

      If you pay for something you don't enjoy, that's pretty close to the definition of stupidity.

    2. Re:Sigh... there's just nothing better yet... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Professions that actually make money for the player...

      Alchemy. Inscription. Enchanting. Jewelcrafting. Gathering professions. All of these can make you money.

      Remember when "Epic" meant something? When they didn't just drop from the last boss in a 5 man?

      I raid. I enjoy it. I have raided since original WoW. That said:

      If you get your enjoyment from other people not having nice gear, bye. There's the door. We won't miss you.

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    3. Re:Sigh... there's just nothing better yet... by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless you really have friends in the game, or it continues to be fun, just quit.

      I used to be guild leader of a guild in almost exactly the same spot (we had killed Kalecgos), and I realized sometime after the Sunwell patch came out that I was just waiting for an opportunity to quit.

      WoW is one of the best games of its kind ever, but you can't play it forever unless you have the right people there with you and you really enjoy it. Otherwise, you will spend too much time for too little return.

      I'm going to try and get a beta key, so I can at least get a look at the new art and the DKs and then I'm going to call it quits permanently. WoW may be better than most of the competition out there, but only until you have played it out.

      There are other games out there, perhaps not as good, or of a different sort, but honestly, they don't have to be Game of the Year to be entertaining, they just need to be different.

      Don't stay just because you think there is nothing else. There's always an option.

  25. Less time by Glass+Lizard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My response to the upcoming expansion has been to greatly reduce my time spent playing. It just seems like the current game has lost some of it's charm now that a chunk of new content is on the way. I'm sure that when the expansion hits I'll spend a huge amount of time playing it, but until then I'll focus my spare time on other entertainment options.

  26. Re:Itll keep the northrend clearer. by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is good for everybody, for those who want to roll a DK right away, they can hang out in plague lands and the outland for a couple of weeks while everybody else hits the northrend, less competition for quests and resources.

    You wish. The Chinese leveling service will be taking care of my 4 characters I need to get from 70-80 on my 2 other accounts while I play with my new DK on the third one.

    Northrend isn't going to be less crowded, its just going to be a lot less social. When most of the conversations are going to be: "You make me food/waterrr?" and "Ni hao?", you aren't going to have much witty banter. And that's assuming that there aren't whole guilds who have turned on Glider.

    Luckily, there's always the Barrens.

  27. Re:KHAAAAAANNNNN!!! by duckInferno · · Score: 2, Funny

    Roll a druid. Use the following macro.

    /cast Wrath
    /y KHAAAAAN

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  28. Sounds like a porno... by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, really... "Wrath of the licking"? ...Yeah, I'd like to see that one.

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  29. WoW treadmill by OglinTatas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I rigged up a "desk" such that I can use my computer while I pedal my stationary bike. (the bike doesn't fit anywhere near my regular desk.) Works pretty well. 300 kcal/day easy just playing WoW. It would even be a decent CV workout if I actually cranked it, instead of the leisurely rate I do.

    I'm sure you can do something similar with a treadmill, but first you have to take the boxes off of it and get it out of the basement. Probably wouldn't work with a rowing machine, weight bench or bowflex (but taking the boxes off of those and the drying clothes off the bowflex would be a good start though.)

  30. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by DeadBugs · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait for the Misc. expansion.

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  31. Re:Game news by MeanderingMind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's probably an emergent property of the nature of the game.

    WoW has three advantages that make it uniquely poised to flood slashdot with news. 1) It's monstrously huge. 2) It's online. 3) It's social.

    For the first point, it's fairly obvious that having a large player base inherently means you have a lot of people interested in news about the game.

    Second, we can assume that everyone who plays the game has a basic modicum of internet skills. All WoW players are potential readers, while the same can not be said of everyone who plays Mario Galaxy.

    Third, the social nature of the game further pushes the demographic toward sites such as Slashdot. The people who play WoW don't just want to read about it, they want to talk about it even if it's with people who don't play WoW.

    The only other game bearing those three attributes is Spore. Incidentally, the only other game with as much Slashdot coverage is also Spore.

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  32. Scalping by Major Store? by Databass · · Score: 2, Informative

    In a seemingly sleazy move, GameStop has added a $15 "Handling Fee" to the WotLK Collector's Edition. Not a SHIPPING and Handling fee mind you, shipping is extra. This is just straight grafting in the style of:

    "Oh HO, it seems some of you WANT this product do you? And we're the only one with the Collector's Edition right now! Weeellp, the box is all the way over there on the shelf and I'm kinda tired... maybe an extra $15 could motivate me to lean over there and get it for you. If you don't, I'm sure someone else will pay extra for the LIMITED SUPPLY of these! You've made the right choice."

    http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72700

  33. Re:StarCraft by Rebelgecko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yep, and we all have mod points today somehow... but seriously... I'm starting to wonder if the only people getting mod points and zealots and trolls...

    Don't forget the zerglings!

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  34. Re:Here, I'll get the basic comments out of the wa by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer to play "e.g." myself (for example).

    "Etc" just goes on, and on...

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  35. Re:No drama, sorry to burst your bubble by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fourth point, with 10 million subs do think Blizzard cares what Mythic does?

    Why do people keep saying this? What planet do you live on where company executives and shareholders do not care about their revenues?

    Complacency is not a laudable attribute for a company. If they do in fact think "we have 10 million subscribers, what do we care?" then they are setting themselves up for failure. They have other projects in the works that require funding, infrastructure costs, payroll costs, and shareholder expectations to uphold (regardless of them being publicly traded or not). If their revenues go down, they have to answer questions and run the risk of not having the funding to uphold their budget. Do you really think Blizzard doesn't care about that?

    Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that 1 million people leave wow for warhammer and cancel their accounts (numbers completely made up). $10/month for each customer, that's $10 million/month gone, $120 million/year. Do you really think they're not going to notice or care about that? I can tell you anyone who's invested with an expectation of return upon that investment is going to care and ask a lot of uncomfortable questions. Wall street has destroyed companies for failing to meet projected earnings by $120 million over a year. I don't see how blizzard is magically immune to that because they make WoW and have 10 million subscribers currently.

    Or to make a bad analogy: imagine telling your spouse you got docked 10% of your paycheck for the next year.