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"Anonymous" Hacks Palin's Private Email
netbuzz writes "'Anonymous,' best known for its jousts with Scientology, has apparently hacked Sarah Palin's private Yahoo email account. Contents, including sample emails, an index, and family photos, have been posted by Wikileaks, which calls them evidence that the GOP vice presidential candidate has improperly used private email to shield government business from public scrutiny." Note that there is no easy way to tell if the material on Wikileaks is genuine or a hoax. Update by J : Genuine.
Attacking Scientology is one thing. We all know that it is a crock of crap. However, when somebody hacks a VP candidate, the FBI and Secret Service will react strongly.
Translation: Wikileaks has been down for hours.... Wonder why?
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So far only two emails, some personal photos, a contact list and some inbox screenshots have been posted. Nothing incriminating.
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I'll pardon your ignorance if you pardon my advice to just fucking google it.
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http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/group-posts-e-m.html
It has been confirmed by her campaign and Amy McCorkell, the sender of one of the emails that has been posted.
This might be the first time the Secret Service has encountered the Streisand Effect.
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she's the mother of a famous hockey player.
Note that there is no easy way to tell if the material on Wikileaks is genuine or a hoax.
Wired has confirmed from one sender, Amy McCorkell, that the displayed message from her to Sarah Palin is genuine.
C'mon guys. We all know that e-mail isn't very secure. I personally don't have anything in any of my e-mail accounts that I would be concerned about anyone else reading -but I'd still be offended if someone posted it public.
This is in poor taste.
Since when is it 'hacking' to guess that her email password is her zip code? You can't hack stupidity and ignorance.
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I keep reading from a variety of sources that using personal email means surely she was hiding things from public scrutiny, from possible subpoenas, etc.
Okay, if you see proof of illegal activity in her email, then she was likely hiding it. But the public can't read her work email either. Using personal email does not necessarily prove motive or wrong-doing.
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famed for its exposure of unethical behavior by the Scientology cult
yah, 30+ years after it was known to the general public.
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This wouldn't have even been an issue if she'd used encryption.
Maybe high-profile leaks like this will help convince the public at large that encryption is beneficial, even if you aren't doing anything wrong.
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This is a really good reason why they should NOT be using their private email. Sure, using the government systems opens them up to having their corruption on record, but having it on something like Yahoo mail opens it up to something like this, potentially exposing WAY more information than that. Not that government email is unhackable, but I'd certainly expect it to be at least a little bit more secure.
If this is true, I think it's possible that Anonymous has just painted a gigantic bulls-eye on a free internet.
I am all for ferreting out corruption, but what I worry about is how many will paint this: "Terrorist Rogue Hacker attacks Vice Presidential Candidate."
What limits are there on privacy now? I hope I am wrong.
HEY TOM CRUISE!!!!
If you're reading this, then I tell you that your hokey sci-fi, pseudo-religion CULT is a crock of crap.
And I also think you're a faggot weenie too.
So there.
PS: Your acting sucks too.
I tend to put myself in other people's shoes, and here I definitely feel I would feel miserable if my e-mails and family photos were exposed to the world. Not because I have something terrible to hide, but just because it's such a cruel thing to do.
Slashdot readers and posters are very big on privacy - well, this is one grave (and I think extremely insensitive) breach of a person's privacy.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
As noted by others, its already been confirmed, but what they got into was not the juicy gov.sarah@yahoo.com address that's the potential subject of investigation, just her personal yahoo address. Since then though, both gov.palin and gov.sarah have been removed - pastebin.com/f652c44fb.
I can't believe she gets so little spam at yahoo. My yahoo account is overrun with spam, even years after I've stopped using it. She's definitely paying someone off...
I think you misunderstood him. His private email is private. His work email is also private (as it is a private business). There is no reason anyone should see any of his email.
Palin's personal email is private. As a public servant, her work email is public...at least to some degree. Not that anyone should have immediate access to it, but there are legal procedures in place on how the public can gain access, for example, in the case of a lawsuit. She tried to circumvent that by using a private email address. It's only fitting that everything in that account becomes public. That fact that she was stupid enough to mix private and personal email...well, thats just too bad for her.
The site's either been Slashdotted, or the Secret Service has had the people who run it killed. In either case, you can see the article via the Coral Cache if you want.
This seems to spell out why, besides being able to avoid public oversight, someone shouldn't be using private email accounts to conduct government business. Shouldn't the bigger question be, why was she using a private email, accessible from any public network, that more easily exposed the people of Alaska, as well as herself, to hackers?
The "something or other" suggested is conducting public business using private email. For Federal officials, that's illegal, because it amounts to hiding your paper trail. Don't know if Alaska has a similar law for State officials, but even if it doesn't, hiding her actions is not what you'd expect from the reformer Palin claims to be.
Of course, even if proven, Palin will just add these charges to her list of Things That Never Happened, like her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere.
"McCain-Palin 2008 Campaign Manager Rick Davis: 'This is a shocking invasion of the Governor's privacy and a violation of law. The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these emails will destroy them. We will have no further comment'..."
When someone does this sort of hacking/eavesdropping/snooping to a government official, it's called "a shocking invasion of...privacy and a violation of law."
When the government does it to you, it's called the "Patriot Act."
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket." -- Eric Hoffer
I think that I understand the reasoning of anonymous actions, in that s/he thinks Palin is doing wrong, and s/he wants to call attention to it.
This may just backfire, and generate support for Palin, thereby defeating his actions purpose. Indeed, this type of attack could even be used as a method for generating support by Palins camp.
The end is not justified by the means, and these types of attacks should not be pursued, either by the attacker, nor by the readers of such "information".
..........FULL STOP.
I'll pardon your ignorance if you pardon my advice to just fucking google it.
Now that's just rude! The least you could do was provide a link.
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I don't like Palin or the entire McCain campaign in the least... but how is this even remotely acceptable? We cry and bitch and moan about warrantless government wiretapping, yet when some group of a-holes breaks into an elected official's personal email account and posts screenshots on the web, we see it as just some more dirt on a candidate. The best word that describes that is "despicable."
Mark this as flamebait all you want, but people running for public office have constitutional rights too. I've always considered Anonymous a bit shady in their dealings, and this justs seals the deal.
Matt Damon or Lindsey Lohan would do the same to you, if you tell them, Obama is a crock... With Barbara Streisand singing a notch lauder to drown your screams...
Seriously, there is a good reason, Romans considered entertainers to be among the lowest class of citizens — above only prostitutes... They weren't even allowed to serve in the regular army units.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Can't get to the wikileaks site, but if the summary is correct, then this is interesting because in Florida, with the Sunshine Law, this could result in her prosecution. In Florida you cannot conduct, or even discuss, government business in private.
http://www.fsne.org/sunshine2005/news/history/index.shtml
For example, W. D. Childers went to jail for discussing government business in private.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/08/State/Ex_Florida_Senate_pre.shtml
Not sure if Alaska has something similar.
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1) Yahoo e-mail account
2) Password was her zip code
3) Prominent public figure
4) No attempt to disguise her identity in the user name
Are the over 30 year olds really that stupid? This is stuff I'd expect from my grandmother, not a governor/VP candidate.
The sad thing is the media isn't going to note that her behavior was unsafe. Instead it will be the dirty hacker's fault, nevermind that the account has likely been "hacked" several times. Even if it hasn't it sure as hell would be if this info wasn't made public and the account was shut down.
It will really twist my nuts if:
1) Everything in the account becomes a inadmissible when an investigation of the legality of the account is conducted.
2) The issue of the McCain/Palin ticket's technological illiteracy is not brought up. Maintaining the security of your e-mail account is something every user has to be able to do, and that includes using a real password. And, no, I don't think Biden's a competant human either, but the top of that ticket hasn't really given me reason to worry, yet...
Fuck, people are stupid. But nevermind that, it's those damn tricky kids... so crafty these days!
It's entirely likely that some scientologit did this and claimed that "anonymous" was behind it. Google for "operation freakout" for another example of the criminal nut-cult framing an innocent party for a crime.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
He's done action films!
excuse me, but she lost her privacy rights on that account right at the moment she sent the first government related email, or replied to a government related email.
the fact that we weren't in the know in regard to her violation of law, her illegal act before the hacking, doesnt make her any more right about the matter. a crime is being committed, you just dont have proof.
its like someone filming a gang operation and publishing it, and then gang coming up and claiming that their privacy rights were violated.
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How do we even really know if that was anonymous? Oh wait..
account recognizes
b-day 2/11/64
ZIP code 99687
for password change.
The zip code is of course that of Wasilla, Alaska.
It would seem that the republican VP candidate is at least twice as security aware as Paris Hilton. Paris' had just one security question, the name of her dog (Tinkerbell), while Palin had two extremely obvious security questions.
Of course, two times "nothing much" is not a lot at all..
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2. Your an idiot.
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Most of the world would say you're an idiot.
Normally on slashdot we prefer the much more formal: you, sir, are an idiot.
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It's not like Scientology is above framing somone for a crime:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
They had nominated Michael Palin instead!
Why?
Simply because the next President and Vice President will be chosen for perhaps 50% on the strength of their respective programmes, and for the other 50% on the strength of their personality. As in "Do we feel that we can trust that person to take the helm for 4 years?".
That's why trying to dig up dirt on candidates is part of the procedure. If they can stand that test, they're either clean or adequately adept at covering up. I personally see little difference between snooping in someone's private life using private detectives and hacking into his (or her) email account.
Now whatever their political color, I think that most Americans would be Ok with McCain as a person. Nevermind his age, his health, his policies, or his party. McCain comes across as someone who won't panic in a tight corner, who won't flip and start pushing the nuclear button, who won't let his personal feelings get in the way of necessary politics, and who won't stick his head in the sand when there's bad news. You may or may not agree with his policies and his ideas, but at least he's reliably and predictably biased in certain directions.
When it comes to Governor Palin, I'm not convinced. Being a relative outsider she hasn't really had so much time in the limelight as the other candidates, so her past and personal quirks haven't been looked at in as much detail.
Personally I'm scared of having someone as VP who doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is, who doesn't know why we went into Iraq, who felt that "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't." (see http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/). That level of ignorance coupled with that level of contempt for rules (in my view) creates a level of unpredictability which is very uncomfortable in someone who might become president on medical grounds. Such ignorance is Ok for Joe Sixpack, but not Ok for a candidate VP. If I had to choose between Palin and Cheney, Cheney would get my vote. I find his political ideas abhorrent, but at least I can trust him to have thought them through. By the same token, I find Hillary no more likeable than Palin, but at least I trust Hillary to know what she's doing.
What I can discern of Palin's political ideas doesn't appeal to me either, and I have grave doubts about her intellectual abilities.
In this respect I find the following disturbing:
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Outside of the US, there is a non-zero possibility that the issue will be handled by a stealth plane dropping a bomb on a house.
Sure, I'm happy to leave her alone -- so long as she promises to leave all of us alone. Her socially reactionary politics scare the bejebus out of me, and apparently quite a few other people too. With McCain 72 and quite possibly cancerous, a McCain win would put Palin a hop, skip, and cardiac jump from being in the driver's seat. If we're supposed to leave her alone, we need some guarantee that she's not going to do everything in her power to mold the country's society into her own warped ideal.
And so far, nothing she's said has been anything but highly alarming.
(If you were trying to be funny, sorry for missing your point -- your link just went to a generic E! list of videos, and I saw nothing specific about Palin.)
Cheers,
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And thus, by conducting state business on an outside, cheapo email account instead of the state-provided one she was supposed to use, Sarah Palin has exposed state business data to hacking, public exposure in potentially inappropriate ways, and corruption of data.
Shame on her!
I call BS, if ANY candidate's email was hacked, there will be sirens sounded and those persons hunted down. Don't make it a partisan issue. Each candidate should be checked for scrutiny. Digging up dirt is needed sometimes because if we took everything at face value, we will end up with another president like we have now.
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Don't give the word more power than it already has. Anonymous doesn't exist. Anonymous is many individuals that act on a whim. Or in other words, everybody IS part of anonymous if you refuse to show your identity.
Also, no, anonymous is not only /b/. It's everybody.
Evidence? I thought this was all about mudslinging...
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The amount of paranoia, hypocrisy, cynicism and lack of critical thought here (both the action and the majority of posts) is astounding and somewhat depressing. She is just a person. It is possible to show some respect at that level? Happens to be on a bit of a Forest Gump ride. Could happen to anyone. She is either incompetent, in which case all the "evil secrecy paraonia" crap is unjustified, or she is quite competent and all this muck racking is just a cheezy way of not truly challenging the beliefs you are clearly so afraid of. How much are you a participant or even active agent in this circus? Hacking like this is an invasion of privacy. Hyperbole aside about the Patriot act. Get a clue about ends and means, think harder about what you really believe in.
you have 2 choices : obama. or mccain.
What's your next guess? I can count five candidates without even looking them up, not to mention write-ins.
any sane individual chooses the better of available choices when offered.
Any sane individual realizes that expecting different results by doing the same thing over and over is ridiculous.
But hey, if you're content with being part of the problem, go right ahead and vote for McCain or Obama. The empire is going to end either way, because it's broke.
-jcr
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you are aware as well as i that no other candidate has ANY chance of winning this election than those 2 major party candidates.
stop living in dream world.
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I can count five candidates without even looking them up, not to mention write-ins.
The US electoral system, with winner-takes-all contests and single votes, is designed as a two-party system. Any third party that does not drop out and endorse one of the existing candidates (generally in exchange for concessions on their favorite issues) takes votes away from the candidate that most closely represents their views. Thus, third party candidates generally end up hurting their causes in exchange for personal gratification.
So the parent poster was mostly right: you have 3 choices. 1. Obama, 2. McCain, 3. don't vote/vote for third party/otherwise throw vote away (all equivalent).
E pluribus unum
Evidence obtained in violation of the law may not be used against someone, even if the person violating the law is not acting on behalf of law enforcement.
It might prompt a lawful subpoena of said evidence.
Just callin' it like I see it.
Am I the only one who thinks this stinks of a Scientology setup? They've been known pose as their enemies and send fake threats to government officials before. They might not be above hacking Palin's email account and trying to pin it on 4chan and Wikileaks.
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There's a posting here from someone that observed the entire episode:
The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking
Pre-emptive warning: it's a partisan blog, but the explanation is quoted in full.
Short version:
The original cracker attributed his /b/ posting to another yahoo.com address. He claims to have done all this through a single proxy, but admits that he is a bit scared of the FBI at the moment.
I guess I should mention that Randy Ruaro is Sarah Palin's deputy chief of staff.
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>> 4) No attempt to disguise her identity in the user name
Are you new to the internet? You've never seen firstname.lastname@randommail.com used before?
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As a Canadian I have almost zero interest in this but I do need to ask: "Has anyone looked at the domain affixed to the the supposed Sean Parnell email?" The domain is not owned by the state of Alaska but by a media outlet in California. Emails that come from government sources usually have the core state domain: in this case "ak.us" I dunno about anyone else here but it just doesn't seem to add up. In this case I would have to call foul. There really isn't enough evidence. IF Palin was actually using this email address for business there would be a lot more traffic in the account. Funny enough almost all of the email subjects say "Hello". Unless somebody is sending me spam I can't remember the last time I received an email with the subject line "Hello"
The whole point of Anonymous is that anyone could say that they are Anonymous. There's no real group/code/leader, so anyone who says they are Anonymous IS.
Exactly.
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I want the person with their finger on the button to think that they're going to murder billions, not send them all to happy fluffy fucking cloud world.
POTUS is no job for someone with a world view that's more conservative than the one espoused by the Catholic church.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
you dolt.
what you said basically means 'richard nixon had the right to withhold the tapes he was recording from watergate scandal investigators - because they were a private affair'.
its stupidity at its best.
this woman purposefully used a private email in order to avoid investigation of her conduct while doing government business - PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. constituents.
apparently she doesnt recognize constituent rights or anything - her rights are what matters, not theirs. she thinks she can wantonly ignore laws if it suits her.
there can be no privacy or rights in doing this.
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anonymous is not even remotely associated with obama.
and karl rove isn't running McCain's campaign. you are ignorant.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Palin is trusting, which based on where she lives, is plausible. I heard most people in Canada don't bother to ever lock their doors. Using your zip code when the e-mail is self identifying is kinda stupid though.
People justifying this is bullcrap though, if someone walked into your house and started snooping around while you were taking out the trash, you'd want them arrested. Think of an web e-mail account as a free apartment. You don't own the property itself but what is inside is still yours (at least until you move out).
People sometimes forget the correct government e-mail account but remember the personal account. They send it to your personal account. There's no "undo" for sending e-mails unless you are under a MS exchange server. You tell them to stop doing that next time you see them in the hallway. This isn't her sending stuff out from the account, this is her receiving e-mail.
http://cryptome.org/palin-email.zip
Someone went through the password recovery dialog and was able to guess answer "Where did you meet your spouse?".
Can someone give me the rationale for those password recovery mechanism that are usually far weaker than the passwords themselves? They seem like such a blatantly bad idea, that I must be missing something in failing to understand why they exist at all
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Color me shocked. I had thought all potential candidates for high public office were vetted for having ever used a PC attached to a network directly. Plausible deniability is what aides are for. That's why aides filter your email, and "interpret" it over an encrypted voip line for trivial stuff, and important stuff is conveyed in person directly without witnesses.
That's why they know nothing about tech issues. Getting plugged in is just too dangerous to your public career.
And while I'm at it, why isn't "Special Prosecutor" a permanent position? Do we have to go through the farce of pretending we're not going to investigate phantom coverups of every President, Vice President, the candidates for same, and supreme court nominee from now until the end of time? We could save the bucks on the turnover and we'd get faster amusement process just by keeping a pair of teams on permanent staff.
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I'm a "fundamentalist" Christian (watch my karma go down :-) ), however, I don't believe I am a nutjob. I believe that many people who claim to be Christian today don't act like it, and thus, our country has a bad impression of Christians.
While there are a few issues I believe being a Creationist would have an effect on, for the most part, I'm not sure what would be entirely different. Some issues are not entirely Christianity-related, but opinion-related.
There a host of other issues out there, but that's where I revert into state's rights :-). That is because I believe the Founding Fathers intended a system based on the rights of states, and the citizens.
RTFA
She had a weak 'insecurity question'.
The attacker guessed where she met her husband, reset the password, and did his thing.
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It wasn't the password, it was one of several questions on Yahoo's password recovery questionnaire.
ob. Schneier:
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OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
now Anonymous made Palin look like a victim of vicious liberal hacker attacks and this has swung more Liberal voters over to McCain as they think Obama put them up to it.
When Matt Damon did that "Dinosaurs lived 4000 years ago as creatures of Satan" smear attack on Palin it made more Blue Dog Democrats support McCain in the polls because they thought Obama put him up to it.
Obama is not behind these smears, it is the Ultra-left Wing of the Democratic Party on The Daily Kos, Kuro5hin, IWETHEY, Moveon.org, /b/, and other liberal web sites and blogs as well as Hollywood actors and actresses. If they really wanted Obama to win they would just STFU and let Obama cover the issues and how he will fix them and McCain won't fix them. All the Ultra-Left Wingers are doing is scoring "own goals" in this politcal soccer game.
Like when they faked that Palin in a bikini holding a rifle, it made Palin more popular with the male population because she had an 18 year old body with her 35 year old face Photoshopped on it.
These smear tactics and smear web sites only sabotage Obama's campaign, because he promised he isn't a politician and does not do smears. So either Anonymous doesn't know what they are doing, or they are really McCain supporters and want to torpedo Obama's campaign and get four more years of Neocons in the White House?
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
I love it! A whole post, consisting of nothing but a long Python quote, gets modded "5, Insightful". I love it!!!!
And all these years people thought I was just trying to be funny!
Lemon curry???
Then nothing has been violated. We just got the transparency!
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Palin is the candidate of the Republican party. The party that has been in power for the last 8 years and is responsible for MASSIVE, illegal surveillance. So we might be reading her mail now, but they've been reading all of ours.
Surely the most serious issue here is not whether a private email account was hacked or whether Sarah Palin tried to hide things from scrutiny, but the fact that she is putting government information - potentially sensitive and confidential - on a server outside government control. If this was a private company, she would probably be dismissed. It isn't much different from taking your work laptop computer home and leaving it in your car, something that usually has serious repercussions if it gets stolen.
This is something that should worry most American citizens - that and the fact that she seems to be even more ignorant about and less interested in international affairs than Bush. I really don't understand why it is that America keept electing politial leaders based on whether they appear to be good parents, "likeable" or good enough liars to look sincere when they talk about God. shouldn't they be elected for being good leaders, who have the knowledge and wisdom to handle the task? Who have the best interest of their people in mind? Who, in short, are aware that they are public servants and not divinely appointed kings?
Anyway, this is democracy, and America will get the leader they need; if you elect the McCain/Palin team, apparently you didn't learn the lesson with Bush and need another lesson.
I know who's "Anonymous"! It's Ted Danson!
Lighten up, "have you ever heard of Skara Brae on the Orkney Islands? Occupied from 3100 BC and with advanced sewer system." No, I haven't and doubt many others have either, and as much as that information will help me sleep better at night knowing all those people could crap hygienically I think next time you watch a film you should maybe not analyse every detail to extremes. Next you will be telling us that Brian wasn't the messiah just a very naughty boy.
Never mind his acting ability or lack thereof, he is a member of a pseudo criminal pyramid selling cult and legitimizes its existence by his membership.
Now if he switched to supporting the Freezone I might have more time for him but he is a figurehead for a vile cult and should be called out as a nasty piece of work.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
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The consumer is right, but the problem is that we've screwed up our educational system K-12, among other things, by arguing over ideological lines rather than practical ones. Extreme liberals want to fill classrooms with a bunch of white guilt stuff about slavery, the indians and the holocaust, and extreme conservatives, want to teach about Jesus. Well, here's the problem. Jesus and the Holocaust are all well and good, but they don't help kids learn how to do anything useful.
The biggest shortfall in our engineering right now is that kids actually aren't learning how to make things and be comfortable doing so from an early age. Every classroom needs to have legos and blocks for the younger ones, and in high school, you need to have CNC machines, CAD systems, chemistry labs and in the very least, every school district should have an electron microscope. People only believe in all of this earth is flat gobbledygook because all the tools that science has may as well be on another planet too, but if you put all of this stuff in kids hands, and from an early age... many can learn to think like engineers and scientists because they will be engineers and scientists. I know this sounds expensive, but, I am all for capping federal spending on entitlements for the elderly so that we can, instead, really just load up on our schools. I have no problem with a redistribution of wealth in education because it is in the best interests of the money'd classes to have smart people to someday become stewards of their corporations, rather than the retards that we have to day.
I mean, just imagine a classroom where you integrated engineering with algebra and then calculus so that, people can grasp and visualize things. You could easily show multiplication as an area and a volume problem with legos and show how calculating lets you know much material you need before you make it. You can use smaller and smaller blocks to plant the seeds of understanding limits and then calculus and then work in building shapes out of various curves and using the calculus to know how many blocks you need. Kids can learn about atoms and molecules by actually looking at them in an STM, and could have real chemistry sets and real motors and real generators and yes, lets cap lawsuits against public schools because some kids are going to get hurt playing with this stuff, but, such occasional injury is the risk that we have to accept to become a society of learning how to do things. But, at the end of the day, a young man or woman coming out of high school should have built their own electric motor, their own internal and external combustion engine, their own simple logical gate, their own computer, and synthesized a couple of different kinds of complex chemicals. I mean, I think teflon is something you could make.
None of this is even really out of the ordinary from what Americans had a century ago. Kids back then worked on farms and so got a good sense of how to fix things and make things because well, there wasn't like a Best Buy you would just return something too and things were so valuable that you just couldn't throw them away to get a new one. We need to put the positive aspects of that environment in place too.
Also, we really need to stop it with this first amendment crap taken to an extreme and get all of the junk off of the media. Parental responsbility is all well and good, but just about everyone is a parent, and you know there is a larger societal responsibility to not be programming ourselves with a steady diet of bad human behavior, violence, and smut.
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