Google, Circa 2001
An anonymous reader writes "If you have 10 minutes to spare, take a look at an archive that Google has posted to mark the company's 10th anniversary. The search engine and its results are based on data from 2001, but it's interesting to see what turns up when popular 2008 terms are entered. For instance, iPod generates a reference to Image Proof of Deposit Document Processing System, and the 771 Barack Obama results centered around his duties as an Illinois State Senator."
Try searching for 'sarah palin' or 'conspiracy theory' for a few minutes of fun
Now you'll see why snapshots are good :)
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Your search - "sarah palin" - did not match any documents.
PLEASE TAKE ME BACK TO TEH FUTURE!!!!111
A world without LOLCATS is a world I don't want to live in!
Man is the animal that laughs.
And occasionally whores for Karma.
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Oblig.
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It was so refreshing to search for 9/11 and not have any of the crap from the last seven years show up. A simpler time indeed.
When you have nothing left to burn you must set yourself on fire
Oh, to once again live in a world where a search for "9/11" or "9-11" brings up nothing about terrorist attacks.
Then again, "Ubuntu Linux" doesn't bring up anything at all...
The submitted article contains a subtle dig at Barack Obama, implying that he is unsuitable for the executive office because a primitive version of Google's PageRank algorithm only had 771 results.
I wonder how many results that same algorithm had for Theodore Roosevelt, 7 years before he became President? Few predicted his meteoric rise!
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
search term: (old) now
linux: (18,600,000) 558,000,000
microsoft: (15,700,000) 903,000,000
microsoft problems: (13,200,000) 500,000,000
linux problems: (15,400,000) 300,000,000
ubuntu linux: (20) 8,280,000
vista microsoft: (90,900) 20,800,000
vista microsoft problems: (0) 1,550,000
xp microsoft problems: (9,440) 11,900,000
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
Please stop misusing the word "circa." It should only be used to give approximate dates. It would have been just as easy to write "Google in 2001."
Oh, and while we're at it, that's my lawn you're standing on.
Keep in mind that it's also a world without /b/tards.
I'm just sayin'...
Entering the keywords "porn" into it in 2001 generates 4,490,000 hits vs 236,000,000 hits in
2008
Ahhhh... when my real name and company dominated the first few pages of Google results - without spending any money!
... and then they built the supercollider.
814,000 in 2001
87,000,000 in 2008
Is kind of more interesting than it turned out to be.
great, this mean i actually have to leave my house to meet ladies!
Search for: "fannie mae" "freddie mac" collapse
Hit up the archive of the first link. It's Fred L. Smith, Jr.'s testimony before the House Banking Committee's Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Securities, and Government Sponsored Enterprises.
He warns that the current setup of those two lenders are working to destabilize the marketplace.
From his testimony: "At best, this mixing of private and political incentives creates marketplace confusion; at worst, it leads to a serious misallocation of capital and an increasing risk for American taxpayers."
newfag.
get off my lawn exist in the form they did in 2001...maybe because back in my day kids had respect for their elders and I could search google without those damn kids on my lawn, now get off my lawn!
Monstar L
Your search - "department of homeland security" - did not match any documents.
Oh make it so again magic eight ball!
(me cries)
In 2001 I sumbitted this:
Search Google
teamhasnoi writes "Put some words in the box here and watch how results for your search come up. Awesome!"
In 2001, a search for "Britany Spears" came up with "BRITANY SPEARS NAKED" as the second hit, agruably the desired result.
In today's world, "Britany Spears" comes up with "Did you mean: britney spears?"
I get enough sass IRL, thanks a bunch.
Don't worry, http://www.google.com/search2001/search?hl=en&q=goatse&btnG=Google+Search
Good that apple agreed to share the term: Results 1 - 10 of about 28,600 for iphone. (0.01 seconds)
vocaltec is the number one hit. Wow.
Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
I did that and EVERYTHING was related to the 11th of September!
...you get results like:
"Predatory Mortgage Lending Campaign -- ..."
CRC Predatory mortgage lending is a subset of the subprime mortgage industry.
Subprime mortgages are loans that have high interest rates and fees that are made
Too bad no one paid attention.
Use the Firehose to mod down Second Life stories!
I was searching for things like Nintendo Wii and other non-existent concepts... :) Prior art anyone?
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Results 1 - 10 of about 681 for wikipedia. (0.01 seconds).
but plagiarism
Results 1 - 10 of about 35,400 for bit torrent. (0.01 seconds)
and piracy were so much harder back then:
Now: Results 1 - 10 of about 264,000,000 for wikipedia. (0.27 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 67,500,000 for bit torrent. (0.07 seconds)
Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
I forgot all about it..
I'd mod the google engine +1 insightfull, if i had any Google Moderator rights.
I like Google. They like my data. Its a joy world.
Hivemind harvest in progress..
And spam still meant just meat!
The state you are in while your HEAD is detached... - wait, what?
Google Jan 2001:
Results 1 - 10 of about 681 for wikipedia. (0.01 seconds)
Google today:
Results 1 - 10 of about 287,000,000 for wikipedia. (0.07 seconds)
That's a 42143900% increase in results! :)
Need more than just 10 minutes - looking at all the web sites for the now-defunct companies I used to to work for!
Both "toxic asset" and "toxic assets" return no results because they're an invention to scare and dupe the public into supporting the current swindle. "Moral Hazard" was well known then however.
Who knows what kind of pr0n^H^H^H^Hstuff I was searching for 10 years ago!
Seriously though, if they have snapshots of their entire indexes, they most likely have the whole DB snapshots including all search logs as well.
THE MAGIC WORDS ARE SQUEAMISH OSSIFRAGE
"george w. bush" iraq -- 2001: 21,400 results
"george w. bush" iraq -- 2008: 15,400,000 results
interesting find: "Will George W. Bush launch a new US war of aggression against Iraq?" -- January, 2001
wikipedia -- 2001: 681
wikipedia -- 2008: 287,000,000
guantanamo bay -- 2001: 33,500
guantanamo bay -- 2008: 7,200,000
waterboarding -- 2001: 43
waterboarding -- 2008: 1,940,000
al qaeda -- 2001: 1670
al qaeda -- 2008: 20,400,000
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
That doesn't make any sense... the internet has been for porn since at least like 1998.
I think Google has just stopped censoring its search results as overtly.
Looks like things are indeed getting worse. I search in the 2001 index, and find relevant results, uncontaminated by spam!
The Google index of today is full of the results of seven and a half years of gaming the algorithms, making it harder and harder to use :-(
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
for history to look back twenty years to finally pin the blame on the people who really caused this mess.
Unfortunately we aren't being told who interfered because its not newsworthy when it doesn't support your cause. Such is the press in the current election cycle.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
there's stuff about a housing bubble on there too. This thing is awesome!
Strange...
Ubuntu is just an African world (and learning center).
Duke Nukem is as far along in release as now!
-- I really need to bleed off some of this
Google Jan 2001:
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,780,000 for google. (0.01 seconds)
Google today:
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,150,000,000 for google. (0.29 seconds)
Interesting find.
Tutorial, "Google - the BEST search engine (almost always)" from UC Berkeley - Teaching Library Internet Workshops:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011217070421/www.lib.berkeley.edu/TeachingLib/Guides/Internet/Google.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20011130003737/www.m5industries.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20010803003310/www.deadblow.net/Pages/360.html
--Chag
In case you're interested Not much different.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
This is a useful tool, as well as being a bit of fun.
In addition to all the standard "wii gives no results!" posts, what I noticed, and what was nice to see when searching for a few things, was the absolute lack of blog/link spam everywhere. Searching for a couple of terms that I still search for now yielded 300 odd results - but 300 *relevant result*. Searching for the same thing with the 2008 engine gives me tens of thousands - but 90% of them are just pollution results. The 2001 engine actually kicked up a few "new" results for things that, while still technically available on the 2008 engine, are on page 152 of it - and so hence essentially lost and I have never seen them before.
It links in to what I have argued previously - fork search engines. A bleeding edge "just spidered" version for those who want to chase up-to-the-minute things - and a "stable" time-lag version that would defeat the point of spam (if a blog/link spamming campaign has to wait for a couple of years to get their search results in to the stable engine results then they are less likely to bother).
It finds my old web page hosted on delphi.com. I wrote that HTML on an Apple IIgs in 1996 or so.
That is cool.
Of course the link doesn't work and the archive no longer contains the page. But it was in Google's index.
It wasn't, it just happened on FTP servers and USENET.
I'd tell you more but I have to to change my dentures.
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
My site was on the second page of sites for "commodore" and my name, Larry Anderson, was 5th among all the other Larry Andersons. Not bad. :-)
Today, my site is on the fifth page and I'm near the top of page two. Still pretty good. :-)
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
Your search - "2 girls 1 cup" - did not match any documents.
Oh, how I long to yesteryear...
Digg: Yapima Digg (the poem)
Youtube: No results
Myspace: http://freediskspace.com/ also in 2nd is Myspace.com.au, a home improvement site.
Facebook: Environmental Science and Public Policy "facebook" on Harvard's website.
Twitter: A nature site? Even viewing the "archived" version takes me to the 2006 social networking site, so I'm just going by the title.
del.icio.us: No results
PS3: A news story discussing the PS3 circa the PS2 launch. Also, apparently Sony owned the domain name 'ps3.net'
Xbox 360: A site called "360Net," with people anticipating the original Xbox. Now defunct, apparently.
Wii: Williamette Industries, they make forest products supposedly. The other results are equally irrelevant.
Nice slice of pre-web 2.0 life.
From another directory type thing at Harvard: http://www.google.com/search2001/search?q=facebook&hl=en&btnG=Search
Yeah, interesting that. Especially given that 'sarah palin alaska' does give results.
Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
returns some hotel in France.
I'm finding snippets of conversations I've had, but which are no longer hosted anywhere.
What was I talking about? Who was I talking to?
I guess it's only the stuff you're extremely embarrassed about which will stay around forever.
Duke Nukem Forever to appear shortly
http://web.archive.org/web/20010609195453/www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/e398/dukef.html
Retrogoogle: chrome browser
Punch in Freddie Mac and read the alternating glowing reports of how it's a great investment, and how there's bias/shady dealings/need to regulate... Lone voices in the wilderness...
Maxim: People cannot follow directions.
Increases in truth directly with the length of time spent explaining them
Our chocolate cell phone is solid chocolate and is presented in a box with a clear see-thru lid. Click on "Cart" to order or hop on back to Molded ...
"windows vista"
As with Link for Windows, Vista allows you to send and receive email using the
EDI address we assign you. However, Vista takes it one step further: Not only ...
I could have some fun with this. :)
That's from the summary of the sixth result - how times have changed :)
Also... "Your search - mudkips - did not match any documents." Mudkips had not been invented yet D:
Give Kashyyyk back to the Wookies
Just out of curiosity, I searched for the infamous "failure" to see if George W. Bush was still at the top back then.. holy crap I wasn't expecting what I found.. please for the love of God, don't search for that if you don't want to see something incredibly horrific.... I'M WARNING YOU!!!
*plays the Apogee theme song music*
pretty neat... toshiba makes some predictions on availability of future technology in 2008 - page is still live!
http://www.toshiba-europe.com/computers/sna/tnt/visions98/spec07.htm/
writable "blue-laser" media was dead on, but dna computing and 3d displays still haven't made it. *sigh*
Google's only put up the January 2001 index because it happens to be the oldest one they have.
web.archive.org does have a result for Slashdot as it was in late 1998 though, so you don't have to stick to Slashdot in 2001!
Some pretty amazing stuff:
The first comment:
12/13/98 17:34:57 PST
To: vitolins
Don't believe everything this administration puts out. Right now more than ever, they need to scare people. Let's just pray they don't stoop so low as to blow up something themselves.
Mutant proto-truthers rule freerebublic.com.
Before LOLCATS...
When no one yet knew NOM NOM NOM...
It was the first golden age of internet memes.
Repton.
They say that only an experienced wizard can do the tengu shuffle.
Nice.
Creationist Textbook Stickers Declared Unconstitutional by CowboyNeal
The Impossibility of a Soft-Landing
June 30, 2000
This acute supply and demand imbalance led to year over year price increases
of 29% in "wine country" and 34% in the Santa Clara region. Elsewhere, prices
surged 17% in Orange Country, 19% in Northern California, 21% in the San
Diego region, and 34% in Monterey. Clearly, this has developed into a
precarious statewide housing bubble. Amazingly, we hear not a word of
concern about what is a major systemic risk to the U.S. financial
system. And, importantly, the Fed's decision to let the party continue
allows the great California real estate bubble to run to even more
devastating extremes. Who is minding the store? Most unfortunately, this
is a replay of the 80's real estate fiasco but at a much grander scale -
actually the proverbial "mountain versus a molehill" applies. Yet,
amazingly, no one dare say "enough is enough," and instead the
dysfunctional marketplace continues to fund the boom despite the
obviousness of the unsound bubble. Massive credit excess feed asset
inflation and a major misallocation of resources, as the Fed tinkers
with rates. What a fiasco.'
Sub-Prime Industry Up in Arms Over Fannie Mae Announcement
December, 2002
Fannie Mae has a new program out for borrowers with lower credit
ratings and the sub-prime industry is taking exception.
The Executive Director of our industry association, NHEMA (link found
in our Resources section) was quoted in today's American Bankers as
saying "Fannie Mae is expanding its mission into areas where it has
virtually no experience, and taxpayers should be prepared for a
bailout that could rival our savings and loan experience," and that
the association predicts that the program will cost Fannie its biggest
losses ever, he said. The outcome, he said, will be that consumers
with credit problems will "be back where they were 25 years ago -- no
access to mortgages or loans at all, other than loan sharks."'
YouTube came around some 4 years after this archive. How sad: http://www.google.com/search2001/search?q=youtube&hl=en&btnG=Search And eerie!
Really?
As a Debian user I enjoyed the time trek back to when Ubuntu had nothing to do with linux.
http://www.google.com/search2001/search?q=ubuntu&hl=en&btnG=Search
In the currently charged political climate, I could care less about the troll or flamebait mods anymore so I might as well as fun.
LOL I thought I was the only one that searched for icanhascheezburger and lolcats first. :(
I know it's not completely accurate because Clete2 returns no results and I know that I was on Google in 2001. What's up with the search?
And the third link has the following text:
Investigators in Yemen yesterday uncovered evidence suggesting the bomb attack on the warship USS Cole had been a meticulously organised conspiracy, which a leading US terrorism expert said may have been the first joint operation between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
My what a difference 10 years make...
No Facebook, MySpace, or 4chan. What a wonderful world. But there was a lot of the 90's MIDI-playing pages and flashing colors.
How did anyone live back then without their lulz? And only 2 results for "Epic fail".
But there was a lot of the 90's MIDI-playing pages and flashing colors.
You obviously haven't accidentally clicked on a myspace page recently...
Absolutely nostalgic. Myspace turned out www.freediskspace.com. Friendster had four results. Spore turned out Spatially Oriented Research in Ecology. Hmmm. I'd give anything for a temporal search engine that can search the future.
And spam still meant just meat!
That is definitely a matter of opinion.
One of the first things I searched for was "Warlords", a series of games that I used to play. I found a fansite that had recently died.
The administrator of that site had a list of the reasons he decided to close it down.
At times, I wish that were still the case. Personal websites of that time still had ways to be annoying, though... Embedded music and blink tags.
That's exactly where I found it (as well as a lot of other old gems like Seven Kingdoms). I remember being amazed at the detail the creators had put into the map... Every ruin and city had a human-written story, even the ones in scenarios that weren't part of the main game! I don't think I've seen that in any game I've played since...
It's been that many years already? Wow!
Life was hell, then I discovered Linux...
Results 1 - 10 of about 226,000 for john mccain. (0.01 seconds)
You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. - Winston Churchill
Google wasn't "Feeling Lucky" at the time.
Searching for "DJIA" is interesting. 7 years ago, the average was just a bit under 200 points less than what it is now.
It's interesting what "Web 2.0" was considered then as well (some sort of 3D virtual reality thing?), compared to what it has become.
Searching for "Y2K Bug" is interesting, as you still have remnants of the doomsayers' sites in the search results.
It wasn't just porn, in ye olden days Google didn't index overly commercial sites.
For example, if you search for "HP printer", there's almost no shopping or ink sales results.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011125183116/www.thebee.com/bweb/iinfo149.htm
A link describing an upcoming, clean & smart search engine... called Google.
2001 or GTFO
I have to return some videotapes...
This is really cute. A story about a "hempmobile" that is driven to Wasilla to convince Sarah Palin not to knock down a proposition legalizing pot. While Sarah is unimpressed, the article suggests she did admit to "inhaling" at some point in her youth. Who didn't? http://web.archive.org/web/20010208164916/www.adn.com/elex/story/0,3109,207133,00.html
In the currently charged political climate, I could care less about the troll or flamebait mods anymore so I might as well as fun.
YES COMRADE I AGREE. GO YANKEES A NUMBER 1 BASE BALLS.
On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
No, I haven't. Ever since I deleted my MySpace account (that I only had for ~1 month) a few years back, I have 100% refused to visit MySpace for any reason.
A search for "iPhone" turned this up: http://web.archive.org/web/20010207002902/www.uioa.com/productcatalog/
Here's the description:
"The revolutionary iPhone is a fully integrated telephone and Internet device with a built-in touch screen to bring the world of the Internet into your home or office with the touch of your finger. It includes exclusive services and all the most popular telephone features like caller ID and call blocking, along with an Internet dial-up using PPP and e-mail access with multi-user mailboxes.
What can you do with an iPhone?
And all of this can be accessed with the touch of your finger, while talking on the iPhone."
Sound familiar? Apparently this was the 2001 iPhone.
If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree
Try searching for meowchat instead.
And the first few links: McCain: Terrorists bypass laws by using gun shows
His McCain for President in 2000 and the legislation following 9/11 he introduced seems to be largely forgotten by now, but he was using the same stories Bush was using for similar purposes.
The world was better when MySpace was just a free (or paid) online storage and FaceBook was about having an address book with pictures.
Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
Then
Results 1 - 10 of about 7,700 for sex robots from Japan.
Now
Results 1 - 10 of about 221,000 for sex robots from Japan.
Me lost me cookie at the disco.
Hah! Try copying little assembler programs to 8-inch floppies and mailing them out to friends!
Youngins, I tell you.
And now I shall walk on the snow, barefoot. Uphill. Both ways...
The twitter monologues. Click on my homepage and be amazed.
Is that the top hit for Gordon Brown was a general and senator of Georgia
The top link for David Cameron was a professor in Boston.
Osama Bin Laden was on a few news sites as wanted for making threats against Americans
Ah, those were the days...
They say "their earliest available index". I bet the ones before that are on some obsolete tape format that they can no longer read.
didnt return slashdot!
Oh, and don't forget IRC. Usenet sucked back in the day, considering modem speeds and the overhead from UUencoding. Most transfers happened via IRC bots and FTP servers. Many an unsuspecting corporate site had their /incoming directories become very popular overnight. Spring break would hit and the EDU's would start popping up on the FTP lists traded on efnet.
One of the more interesting things to do to an admin was create a directory under their /incoming using vt100 codes, where it wasn't immediately visible. They'd see heavy traffic and disk space filling up, yet not be able to figure out the how and why. It also had the added benefit of keeping Windows FTP clients from accessing the site.
Searching... september 11
It's like a snapshot of what it was like before the insanity.
Check out the iPhone, scheduled for release in 2050 http://web.archive.org/web/20010207002902/www.uioa.com/productcatalog/ Among its features: 56K modem! w00t!
Fuel prices then were out of control with California being forced to pay $1.13/gal.
In 2001, Napster was probably where most file sharing was going on.
"Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
Given that the 9/11 attack hadn't happened yet, and knowing now that within 1 year 2,999 people would be killed in what would be the single deadliest terrorist attack in the history of the United States, causing over $1.4 TRILLION of economic damage within 7 days, do you believe that their may have been real, credible, terrorist threats at that time? Further, given that the al-Qaeda terrorist network, led by Osama Bin Laden, whose overall mission statement begins by quoting the Koran as saying, "slay the pagans wherever ye find them" and concludes that it is the "duty of every Muslim" to "kill Americans anywhere" was growing increasingly active, with the US Embassy Bombings and the attack of the USS Cole, would then have been an appropriate time to take a stand against terrorism?
Attacking a candidate for being anti-terrorism BEFORE the largest terrorist attack in history seems pretty stupid to me. Even if you could go back in time, and wish a little harder that it wouldn't happen, it would still happen. I'd rather have someone in office that has the foresight to see the writing on the wall and do something about it ahead of time.
You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. - Winston Churchill
This looks nifty!
See, back then I was famous(ish) for a duct tape art gallery. It's still around, but it's soooo 1990s now. But in 2001 Google had me in the #4 spot. Also note: none of the top 10 results for duct tape point to an actual vendor of the stuff.
The Quirkz Handbook of Self-Improvement for People Who Are Already Pretty Okay
Haven't had any luck finding info, but I've run across a few "missing caches" in the Wayback Machine. Anyone have more luck than me?
They say "their earliest available index". I bet the ones before that are on some obsolete tape format that they can no longer read.
Or their engine has changed so significantly that they can't use the older data without building a retrofitted server farm...
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Large Hadron Collider has some interesting results, I didn't realize plans for it's construction went back so far.
Dude, the LHC was not built in a day.
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It finds my old web page hosted on delphi.com. I wrote that HTML on an Apple IIgs in 1996 or so.
I found copies of my old code I had lost! C/C++! OpenGL! Hurray! Good gravy... my old site was ugly.
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Nah, FTP was so 1998. In 2001, we were using Napster, AIMster, and WinMX
"Google" anno 2001 - 3,780,000 "Google" anno 2008 - 2 860 000 000 Think of that number.
Yeah, but you couldn't share anything that wasn't an MP3 on Napster. IIRC the client just wouldn't let you.
I'm not 100% sure about that, I never used Napster much.
Kazaa though... that's another story.
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Ahmadinejad
2001: 35 [ http://www.google.com/search2001/search?q=Ahmadinejad ]
2008: 9,680,000 [ http://www.google.com/search?q=Ahmadinejad ]
Persian Project Management Software as a Service
So I take it you won't be voting for Bob Barr?
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
the guy is a tool.
No, I'm still uncertain on the election. I'm certain that neither of the two options handed to me as possibilities are worth a crap; McCain is just more of the same, and Obama is a liar, claiming to support the constitution but the only constitutional issue he has ever showed true commitment on is killing the 2nd amendment.
I've been thinking of voting for Obama for prez, and for congress, strict libertarian if the candidate has a chance, republican if they don't.
Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
It is stated in the FAQ that this awesome service will only be available for one month. Considering the immense wealth of information obtainable from 2001's Google and its use for historians and the like (not to mention the fun of it) this limitation is really a shame in my opinion.
There is no sig.
1st Result 2001: Do the Bartman 2008: Steve Bartman
"How long will this service be available?
One month. It's kind of lame to be celebrating a mid-September birthday in late October, don't you think?"
Why not keep it here for ever? It will be the search counterpart of web-archive!. If it's not too much trouble, they could bring up newer versions of their index... perhaps let's say one for each year? Think of the possibilities! We could broaden our searches in a historical way!