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How Mobile Phones Work Behind the Scenes

adamengst writes "We seldom think about how our mobile phones actually work, but in this TidBITS article, Rich Mogull pulls back the covers and peels away the jargon to explain why text messages work when voice calls are dropped, why your battery lasts longer in some places than in others, why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes, why you can be notified of a voicemail message when your phone never rang, and more."

220 comments

  1. Already slashdotted! by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should I try it from my mobile phone?

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    1. Re:Already slashdotted! by old7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Their web server must be a cell phone.

    2. Re:Already slashdotted! by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>Or why a text message can get through when a call can't?

      This is no great mystery. A test message can just sit in a buffer until your phone is within broadcast distance, and then it's sent. But a call has to be done in realtime; if reception is poor the caller gets a busy signal (and then send a text instead).

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    3. Re:Already slashdotted! by nwf · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is no great mystery. A test message can just sit in a buffer until your phone is within broadcast distance, and then it's sent. But a call has to be done in realtime; if reception is poor the caller gets a busy signal (and then send a text instead).

      And they require much less bandwidth and don't tie up a phone line out of the cell tower. Just data, which can go over a shared data line asynchronously.

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    4. Re:Already slashdotted! by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet still cost more than an actual call...

    5. Re:Already slashdotted! by Billhead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not at all.
      Normally, you pay for a voice plan, and if you go over you get charged a ridiculous amount per minute.
      There is typically either no text messages included in that plan, or something like 200.
      I use Sprint, and here is their prices:
      Unlimited everything (the only way to get unlimited voice) - $100 per month.
      Adding unlimited text messages to a normal plan - $20 per month.
      If you don't have an unlimited voice plan, you get charged around $.40-$.45 per minute over, twice as much as the $.20 for a text message.

    6. Re:Already slashdotted! by mc900ftjesus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Text (SMS) are sent over paging channels, not data channels. This is why they're still 160 characters. Yes, it's data but it's send in messaging protocols used for voice signaling. They can still get through if there are no voice channel available since they never need to setup a whole call.

      Telecom is old, don't assume things work the way they seem to as lots of legacy protocols are still in use.

    7. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the author compiled Apache for his new Android phone. Should have used thttpd .. tsk tsk

    8. Re:Already slashdotted! by Piranhaa · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot the best part about texting. Assuming it's not at night, you can do it more inconspicuously while driving!

    9. Re:Already slashdotted! by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      Due to the sheer convenience of being more reliable, of course...

    10. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the article, which only specifies this for GSM (and therefore not the non-GSM US providers like Verizon), the reason text messages can get through is because they use the signaling bands instead of the data bands. My phone for sure does not buffer the text message, as I've had sending of them fail when there was no reception at all (inside buildings with thick walls, especially).

    11. Re:Already slashdotted! by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

      Their web server must be a cell phone.

      Or a business card.

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    12. Re:Already slashdotted! by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ratio of signaling channels to voice channels is something around 1:21, hence the signaling channel is a scare resource compared to the voice channels (and therefor more expensive than voice calls).

    13. Re:Already slashdotted! by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Unlimited everything (the only way to get unlimited voice) - $100 per month.

      If only. The big carriers are unlimited VOICE for $100/mo. AT&T, e.g., adds on another $35/mo for unlimited messages/data.

      Sprint does give you unlimited everything for $99/mo. Unfortunately, whether it's my phone or their network (or both), it sucks royally. As soon as one of the other carriers gets closer to comparable, I'm out of there ($175 term fee is only $50 than my one-month bill, after taxes and fees).

    14. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least until you run into a pole.

    15. Re:Already slashdotted! by argiedot · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's resource intensive at the tower? I really don't know. It's just that we get 22000 messages for around 2 USD equivalent here in India.

    16. Re:Already slashdotted! by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

      Or the size of one
      Slashdot

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    17. Re:Already slashdotted! by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually, pure GSM SMS is carried in the status message that the phone and tower trade whenever they talk which is why it is so limited in length. Today most phones will attempt to use the data service if available and fallback to the old method only if the data connection doesn't work.

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    18. Re:Already slashdotted! by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      If you don't have an unlimited voice plan, you get charged around $.40-$.45 per minute over, twice as much as the $.20 for a text message.

      With those numbers voice costs more then text only if you assume one text message is equivalent to 30 seconds worth of conversation. In practice I doubt that's the case.

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    19. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure know I can't say more than 160 characters in a minute. That's what, 27 words or so? Surely a single text message is exactly equivalent to a minute of dialogue...

    20. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you get charged around $.40-$.45 per minute over, twice as much as the $.20 for a text message.

      Great, now compare the ammount of data in both of those, and you'll see that texting is horrible expensive.

    21. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is completely false. Most new phones don't even have a radio that can receive 900mghz.

      I'm posting as AC because I work for the worlds largest international SMS aggregation.

    22. Re:Already slashdotted! by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 1

      Or another train!

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    23. Re:Already slashdotted! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that a text messages takes FAR less than 1/21 of the data that a similarly priced voice call does.

    24. Re:Already slashdotted! by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's resource intensive at the tower? I really don't know.

      It's just that we get 22000 messages for around 2 USD equivalent here in India.

      Dammit, why can't my provider outsource their towers instead of their call center!

    25. Re:Already slashdotted! by cgenman · · Score: 1

      If voice channels are full more often than the signaling channel, the voice channel is the more scarce resource.

      People will charge what the market will bear, pure and simple. The market is willing to pay 10c for a SMS message.

    26. Re:Already slashdotted! by Dravik · · Score: 1

      The 900 spectrum is in use all over the world and nobody who previously allocated it is taking it away from cell providers. The only GSM phones made without 900 capability are for the North American market only. AC, you don't know what your talking about.

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    27. Re:Already slashdotted! by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>>Just data, which can go over a shared data line asynchronously.

      Technically it's ALL data (yes even the voice call). The difference is the voice call must be handled with no delay, whereas the text message can sit in a buffer for several hours before being sent. Text also has the option, if reception is marginal, to stream across at a reduced ~1 kbit/s rate that is slower but more noise-resistant.

      I don't know why texting costs more (VirginMobile - 5 cents for a few words versus 20 cents for a full minute of live conversation). I suppose they are charging you for the "effort" to setup the connection, which would be about equal whether it's text or voice.

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    28. Re:Already slashdotted! by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      Wow. You guys spend a lot of money.

      My Virgin Mobile phone only costs me $5 a month, and any unused money accumulates over time. I now have $70 waiting to be used for emergency, or if I'm on the road. I used to have Cingular, until they raised rates, so I abandoned ship.

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    29. Re:Already slashdotted! by Raiden30 · · Score: 1

      It is not completely false First, yes its all data. However SMS travels over a GSM network which is primarily for voice transmission. While other data transmissions,MMS, wap/html browsing, etc use a GPRS network. And as for new phones not having the 900mghz band..... well that's just ridiculous. IMHO Any quality phone will be quad band (or at least tri band) and be able to pick up signal from anywhere in the world with a GSM network infrastructure and a roaming agreement.

    30. Re:Already slashdotted! by Raiden30 · · Score: 1

      If you and your phone are boxed in a thick slab of concrete an your mobile equipment can not communicate with a BST then of course it wont be sent to a buffer, thats just common sense. I think the article implies that its practical because the recipient doesnt need to be available, the recipient can be box in a thick slab of concrete and when he or she gets out of said box and their mobile equipment can talk with a base station then they will receive the msg. Think of it like email, you dont need to have someone sitting at the other end logged in while you send the msg for them to receive it.

    31. Re:Already slashdotted! by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Wow. You guys spend a lot of money.

      My Virgin Mobile phone only costs me $5 a month, and any unused money accumulates over time. I now have $70 waiting to be used for emergency, or if I'm on the road. I used to have Cingular, until they raised rates, so I abandoned ship.

      It depends on usage. I use anywhere between 6000 and 10000 minutes/month. I have a feeling I'd be paying a lot more than $120/mo on virgin

  2. /.ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was fast...

    1. Re:/.ed by conureman · · Score: 1

      It's been a while now. Did we bork something?

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  3. I'd hate to see his next bill from Verizon. by e03179 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Is he hosting his website on a cellphone?

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  4. How the internet works behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the author should have written an article about how the internet works behind the scenes. If so the webmaster might have been able to keep the site from being /.'d

  5. Mirror by Exstatica · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Mirror by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here's a much better mirror.

    2. Re:Mirror by iamdrscience · · Score: 1

      Mod parent down. (Score: -1, Ugly Mirror).

    3. Re:Mirror by eln · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just what exactly are you trying to pull? That mirror is defective! I can't even see my reflection in it!

    4. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down. (Score: -1, Ugly Mirror).

      That's not the mirror...

    5. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I would mod it (Score: -1, Made Me Expect Lame Animated GIF Gag That Never Happened). It's disappointing when you stare at a picture waiting for a giraffe or something but never get to see it.

    6. Re:Mirror by hanshotfirst · · Score: 1

      I have mod points, but don't see the option I need (-1, Dammit I fell for it)

      Next time I'll RTFUrl

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    7. Re:Mirror by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      So that's why you're so pale and always staying in your basement, leaving only at night.

      VAMPIRE

  6. /.'d already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    meh

  7. Maybe he's in a gas station by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

    or on an aeroplane, or in a hospital. Whichever, that's the shortest time from an article being posted, to a /.'ing I've seen in an age.

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    1. Re:Maybe he's in a gas station by fprintf · · Score: 1

      Just how long is an 'age'?

      Is that like Libraries of Congress in measuring words or Elephants in measuring weight?

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    2. Re:Maybe he's in a gas station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although totally offtopic, I saw a server advertising produly claming "The performance of a pile of laptops X meters tall"

    3. Re:Maybe he's in a gas station by PenguSven · · Score: 1

      what was their unit of measurement? units of heat generated? cpu cycles per wall/UPS socket required? juggleability? (i know its not a word. you tell me a word that relates to how well something can be juggled)

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  8. Shortlist of answers: by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny
    The real answers:

    why text messages work when voice calls are dropped

    Text messages are magic.

    why your battery lasts longer in some places than in others

    Some places are magic.

    why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes

    Pilots are afraid of magic.

    why you can be notified of a voicemail message when your phone never rang

    Voicemails are magic.

    1. Re:Shortlist of answers: by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes

      Pilots are afraid of magic.

      And so they sould be, since they emit pilot killer rays

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    2. Re:Shortlist of answers: by .sig · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's the magic smoke inside the cell phones that do it, it's ionized such that it can it maintains polarity with the magic cell towers. That's why if you break one, letting the magic smoke out, it won't work anymore.

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    3. Re:Shortlist of answers: by ionix5891 · · Score: 1

      god did it

    4. Re:Shortlist of answers: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why battery lasts or doesn't last, ?
        A cellphones transmitter is not fixed output power ,
        When close to a cell tower or where the received signal is strongest, the phones p RF output power is reduced .
      As the cell tower signal gets weaker or remains weak, the phones RF power is increased in increments and sometimes to full power
      So if your nearby to the cell tower(s) more often , the battery will last much longer because less energy is used from the battery per unit time .

    5. Re:Shortlist of answers: by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

      Palin makes them work

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  9. wrong audience, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why text messages work when voice calls are dropped

    Retries.

    why your battery lasts longer in some places than in others

    Higher signal strength.

    why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes

    One crash in light aircraft ages ago suggested possible connection, unlikely.

    why you can be notified of a voicemail message when your phone never rang

    Blah, this is a site for nerds, not "omg wow that's so cool" teenage girls (or Apple fans who think every tiny incremental step is a breakthrough).

    1. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Kenshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes
      One crash in light aircraft ages ago suggested possible connection, unlikely.

      How about "You're a loud-talking asshole and you're enclosed in a tight, cylindrical object for several hours with a couple of hundred other people who don't want to hear about your stupid business plan."

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    2. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whilst that may be a perfectly valid reason to you, the real reason is that the airlines just haven't figured out how to charge for it yet.

      They will soon:
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/sep/25/ryanair.mobilephones

      which includes a classic quote from Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary:
      "If you want a quiet flight, use another airline."

    3. Re:wrong audience, buddy by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Amen, brother.

      Mod parent up. In fact, crack the site, and push this one to the top.

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    4. Re:wrong audience, buddy by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      No, I fly my own airplane, usually solo. No one to hear me talk except, well, the person I'm talking to.

      Hmmmm...Maybe they complained to the FCC.

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    5. Re:wrong audience, buddy by BLKMGK · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do not think that is true either. However a friend of mine who is a balloonist years ago told me what happened when he used a cell phone in flight - chaos! It would try and talk to many many towers at once and it was a mess. This article supports that theory and I think they have the reason right - multiple cell towers cannot easily handle being contacted by a single phone moving 500miles an hour. Now multiply that by the numbers of people that fly every day and you can see why the cell companies sure as heck don't want this occurring! I've still done it though :-) They explain how in-plane cell calls would work too if you read the article. http://mirrors.mednor.net/slashdot/10072008/TidBITS_Networking%20_Peering_Inside_a_Mobile_Phone_Network.htm

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    6. Re:wrong audience, buddy by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes

      "The Economist" explained a while back that mobile phones interfere with ground networks.

      They went on to say, that if mobile phones where really dangerous for avionics, then we all would be anal-probed for the things before entering the plane, because some dickhead always forgets to turn it off.

      How about "You're a loud-talking asshole and you're enclosed in a tight, cylindrical object for several hours with a couple of hundred other people who don't want to hear about your stupid business plan."

      And "The Economist" also mentioned in another article, that the airlines were really afraid off riots on the plane caused by the asshole that you mentioned.

      Do you work at "The Economist?"

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    7. Re:wrong audience, buddy by repvik · · Score: 1

      why text messages work when voice calls are dropped

      Retries.

      And, if the network is nearing overload, it will refuse calls but still allow textmessages. If the load gets even worse, not even textmessages will go through, possibly to maximize the chances of 911-calls actually working.

    8. Re:wrong audience, buddy by geekoid · · Score: 1

      How about auto pilot drift.

      An actual experienced effect some phones have caused in airplanes.

      Phones that fall out of spec, or are manufactured out of spec can do this.
      I know the person who evaluated confiscated phones when this occurs.
      Granted, it was 10 years ago, so it might not apply anymore.

      Yuor reason is really lame.
      A) People can talk on the cell phone and not yell, just like they can talk to the person next to them on the plane.

      B) People who talk too loud to the person next to them are asked to 'keep it down' by the attendants, this would be the same for cell users.

      C) Flight attendants can have your ass arrested for not obeying.

      They will change course to land sooner to ahve you removed(if you are bad enough), and the airline will sue you for the costs.

      So you argument is pointless.

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    9. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Hikaru79 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's amazing how you can be so smug and condescending while still being wrong on every single one of your throaway answers. I'd think you were trying to make a joke if I could find any sort of humour in your post, but I can't. Try reading the article, because it seems that your knowledge on these issues is less than those teenage girls you look down on.

    10. Re:wrong audience, buddy by shadow349 · · Score: 4, Funny

      However a friend of mine who is a balloonist years ago told me what happened when he used a cell phone in flight - chaos! ... multiple cell towers cannot easily handle being contacted by a single phone moving 500miles an hour.

      Holy shit! What type of balloon was your friend piloting? Was it one of those Led Zeppelins I've heard so much about?

    11. Re:wrong audience, buddy by BobMcD · · Score: 0, Troll

      But they worked SO WELL on the September 11th flights...

    12. Re:wrong audience, buddy by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Lol, balloon was SLOW moving - and caused many issues! Phone lockups and all sorts of network weirdness he said - calls were impossible while aloft or if they got through would misroute. This was the old analog days but the same sorts of issues might still occur with a faster moving plane in a digital world.

      Now imagine a jet liner full of people *all* doing the same thing. Granted at cruise altitude it is probably not so big an issue as most won't have the range but I've been on more than one flight where a phone has rang :-O

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    13. Re:wrong audience, buddy by MetalPhalanx · · Score: 1

      While the reason the GP gave isn't the only reason, your response is lame. His argument is not pointless.

      A) Just because you can talk on a cell phone quietly, doesn't mean others will. Also, many mobile phones lack sidetone and because of this (and other reasons) many mobile phone users tend to speak louder than they would in person.

      B) Sure an attendant can ask someone to keep it down, but do you really think they will? How about two minutes later, or when the person on the other ends says something that excites them? How annoying would it be to have to sit next to the loudmouth while they are repeatedly told to stfu?

      C) Unless they make a real ass of themselves (and people like that probably don't need a cell phone to do it), do you really think the airline is going to go to all the trouble of having someone arrested or changing course over talking loudly on a cellphone?

      While it would be nice to have the ability to make a call, the negatives seem to outweigh the positives, at least to me. Even with no technical barrier, I'd rather they keep cell phones turned off on planes. It's bad enough on the bus.

    14. Re:wrong audience, buddy by BLKMGK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually no they didn't. The plane that crashed after the passengers learned what was up didn't have reliable communication with the cell phones if the stories I recall are correct. They DID manage to get through but I do not believe that the calls were for long or that they weren't suffering from drops. It was enough though to tell folks what was going on though at least.

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    15. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Sounds like this was long enough in the past that he was using an older network, not a modern digital network. My understanding is that modern digital networks have no problems coping with phones which can view many towers at once. As a thought exercise, consider this question: does it cause chaos to use a cell phone from a high mountain peak?

      I have used my cell phone in the air several times with no trouble. I even got to listen in once as my flight instructor had a nice chat with his wife while I flew the plane.

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    16. Re:wrong audience, buddy by piltdownman84 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My experience from flying in private aircraft (both prop and VLJ) is that rarely do you get service above 6000' AGL. You get blips to about 10000' AGL so a text message can come in or out, but a phone call is pretty much out of the question.

    17. Re:wrong audience, buddy by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I too have used my phone while in my GA aircraft. The difference is that most GA aircraft fly between 5,0000 and 15,000ft AGL (above ground level). That's only 2.5 miles up max. A commercial airliner travels around FL350-FL450 (35,000 to 45,000ft above mean sea level). You can see so many more towers 7 miles up than you can at 2.5 miles up.

    18. Re:wrong audience, buddy by pablo_max · · Score: 1

      Unless you are over the ocean, this point is moot. Manual cell selection is a mandatory feature in GSM/UMTS. Thus, with a limit technical limit of a bit more than 30 miles, as long as you are over a populated area you can connect to a ground based station.

    19. Re:wrong audience, buddy by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes

      One crash in light aircraft ages ago suggested possible connection, unlikely.

      My understanding is that the prohibition on cell phones is actually a FCC requirement, not a FAA requirement. It has more to do with the cell phone infrastructure than potential interference with aircraft systems.

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    20. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Yes, but he was talking about his friend the balloonist, and unless his friend's last name was Fossett he was probably not at airliner altitudes.

      With the old networks, even GA planes could cause havoc. I heard one story about a guy who was approaching Chicago and called his family to tell them he would be home soon. When his bill showed up that one call had been billed to him six separate times, because he hit so many different towers that were too far apart to communicate with each other and coordinate billing. Of course airliners are far worse simply because of their speed, but at 10,000ft over flat terrain the horizon describes a circle over 250 miles in diameter, way bigger than a phone cell.

      My understanding is that the older networks got really messed up by any aircraft use, and newer ones don't get messed up by any aircraft use. As evidence, I submit this article which claims:

      The researchers found that on average one to four cell phone calls are typically made from every commercial flight in the northeast United States. Some of these calls are made during critical flight stages such as climb-out, or on final approach. This could cause accidents, the investigators report.

      In my opinion that last sentence is crap, but there's no reason to doubt their data. If that kind of call volume is already taking place I'd think the mobile phone network would already be in shambles if it couldn't withstand phones on airliners, although it's certainly possible that it can cope with this much but not with more.

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    21. Re:wrong audience, buddy by afidel · · Score: 1

      Cruising altitude isn't a problem at all, that's only a max of ~8 miles, I talk to a tower further away than that most of the time at home with 2 bars and an EDGE data connection. In fact we know that phones will work on a plane at full speed due to 9/11, many people called their loved ones from the plane to say their farewells.

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    22. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia the phone calls you!!

      Sorry, i had to :p

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    23. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sssh, no one tell Dylan Avery that - remember we're supposed to believe that there's just no phone signals up in the sky, so those people on United 93 couldn't have possibly made any calls.

    24. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Huh...I know some airline pilots, jets like the CRJs, they make calls all the time from the cockpit when over areas with alot of towers. One guy I knew made international calls constantly because it would make the connection but not connect the billing to his call, he has done this for 7 years now.

    25. Re:wrong audience, buddy by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe there us is why the plane crashed~

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    26. Re:wrong audience, buddy by geekoid · · Score: 1

      They will change course and land if you disobey the attendant enough. Yes, it needs to be a big deal, most of the time they will ahve the police remove them at their next stop whether or not that was the passengers final destination.

      The bus doesn't have someone that can get the people in a lot of trouble.

      The attendant can confiscate the device. If you dis obey that, you can bet your ass you will change to the closest safe landing area and land.

      If that was the reason, why do the have phones on the plane?

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    27. Re:wrong audience, buddy by blueskies · · Score: 1

      Instead we hear both sides of those loud-talking assholes talking on the flight. Only now you hear both sides of it...

    28. Re:wrong audience, buddy by blueskies · · Score: 1

      explained a while back that mobile phones interfere with ground networks.

      Not my problem. Why is it the airline's problem?

    29. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Average · · Score: 1

      30,000 feet gives you a lot of horizon and unobstructed path.

      I have a friend who launches amateur weather balloons that get up to over 100,000 feet. We track them by a GPS and a 300mW ham radio data transmitter. At 300mW and 100,000 feet, we're regularly lighting up every repeater within 400 to 500 miles. A cell phone can run at 1 or 2 watts, depending on the band.

      Obviously, it does work, to a fashion (9/11), but the system will not handle very many of those calls at all.

    30. Re:wrong audience, buddy by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      All that white noise from the engines, aircon, and wind is plenty enough to isolate me from passengers further than three seats away. The only thing I can hear from the other end of the plane is the urgent cries of infants with stuffed up sinuses.

      Seriously, you should have to apply for a special permit to bring an infant on an airplane. Unless it's an emergency, it's basically child abuse.

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    31. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this the response of a butthurt teenage girl? Hey, I'm a Spaniard, and when someone uses a funny stereotype about me (and I do happen to be greasy, though I'm not lazy), I laugh, I don't get all bawwwwy.

      First, the pro-tip: Don't use a layman's online Mac mag to get your technical explanations of the mobile phone system and a commentary on telephony in flight. Worse, you told someone to "try reading the article" as if it were more authoritative than a monkey reading Wikipedia.

      Now, the detail, or "where the article is right or why I disagreed with it".

      1. If you get a text message but can't get calls, it's almost always because of inadequate signal rather than overloaded network. And, contrary to the article, delivery confirmation certainly is possible and implemented. I spend a lot of time in the Scottish Highlands, where reception is patchy. When I or others are driving around we expect a delay of a few minutes before that delivery confirmation, at which time we know the recipient has his message. On-network reliable store-and-forward is far from the impression the article was giving of SMS.

      2. Why battery lasts longer - we are agreed.

      3. Why not on airplanes - summary of UK aviation authority CAA's opinion: was considered unsafe, but OfCom has approved except at takeoff/landing, to which CAA has offered conditional approval. The FCC may give reasons related to cell tower fuckups, but this is irrelevant as the overriding factor is safety concerns by various countries' aviation authorities. See response to LX498.

      You seem like the kind of person who would be angry at someone who performs a summary dismissal of an attempt at a scientific justification of creationism, using the word "wrong" to indicate disagreement with the article as if argument by authority was back in vogue. (Oh, maybe it is...)

    32. Re:wrong audience, buddy by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      In my opinion that last sentence is crap,

      Not if it was the pilot making the call.

      If that kind of call volume is already taking place I'd think the mobile phone network would already be in shambles if it couldn't withstand phones on airliners, although it's certainly possible that it can cope with this much but not with more.

      Yes, I think people often forget that, if the phone ban was lifted, it wouldn't be one or two phone calls being made. Every single commercial airliner would have hundreds of phones on it constantly connecting and reconnecting to mobile phone base stations.

      Personally, I don't understand the constant obsession with having to be connected to the outside World 24 hours a day. I have to travel by air a lot and it never ceases to amaze me how many people have to switch their phones on the second the aircraft has come to a halt on the stand. Perhaps it helps them maintain the delusion that they are not totally insignificant in the World.

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    33. Re:wrong audience, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was an REO Speedwagon.

    34. Re:wrong audience, buddy by mismetti · · Score: 0

      Business plan? You're being optimistic.

    35. Re:wrong audience, buddy by smithmc · · Score: 1

      why you're not allowed to use phones on airplanes
      One crash in light aircraft ages ago suggested possible connection, unlikely.

      How about "You're a loud-talking asshole and you're enclosed in a tight, cylindrical object for several hours with a couple of hundred other people who don't want to hear about your stupid business plan."

      You mean, as opposed to the sound of big loud roaring jet engines? That would probably mask most of the sound of people talking on cellphones anyway?

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  10. Re:website for nerds, not norms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the majority here i might think the understanding is natural.

    Really? You can tell me off the top of your head exactly why you can get a voicemail without it ringing? I honestly don't think that's common knowledge, even for nerds.

  11. Re:One thing didn't get explained at this moment.. by Kjuib · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The hosting server is a mobile phone.

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  12. Why does morse code work? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Anyone that has an amateur radio license doesn't need to know this info. They already know that if voice communications fails, 99% of the time, you can send Morse code. 73's KB0GNK

    1. Re:Why does morse code work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, except that 73 doesn't come with apostrophe and an "s". One of the first things my elmer taught me once I got on the air.

    2. Re:Why does morse code work? by JDHawg · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why I finally got my amateur license. Two weeks with little communication to the outside world (cell phones worked for about 15 minutes each night) following Hurricane Katrina to let family know we were OK was unacceptable. Now my father and I have a scheduled frequency and time to make contact during hurricanes. 73's W5KDH

  13. Short summary isn't always good by bendodge · · Score: 5, Informative

    And here we see illustrated why a reading the article isn't always a good thing. This summary is obviously designed to drive people to the site hosting this article (and lots of ads I'm sure), but by forcing people to read the article you've taken down your site and most of us will now leave this page. Nice.

    On a side note, what we do have in the way of a summary suggests that there's very little for us to learn here.
    1. Text messages work when voice calls are dropped for the same reason Morse can get through when SSB voice can't.
    2. Your battery lasts longer in some places than in others because the phone automatically adjusts its transmit strength based on the distance from the tower.
    3. You're not allowed to use phones on airplanes because of paranoid ignoramuses and the insightful people who realize how bad it could get when people in a flying bomb know what's going on (and how annoying cell phones are).
    4. You can be notified of a voicemail message when your phone never rang because the network was too busy to initiate the connection, your phone was on vibrate or it didn't have a connection at the moment.

    There. Now you can get on with your day.

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    1. Re:Short summary isn't always good by mmontour · · Score: 3, Insightful

      3. You're not allowed to use phones on airplanes because of paranoid ignoramuses and the insightful people who realize how bad it could get when people in a flying bomb know what's going on (and how annoying cell phones are).

      Or, just possibly it's because:
      1. GSM phones are known to emit strong pulses of RF that interfere with nearby electronics (audio amplifiers, televisions, speakerphones, etc).
      2. Airplanes contain quite a few important electronic systems for navigation, communication, flight control, etc.
      3. Considering the number of passengers who are carried by airplanes each year, even something with a one-in-a-million chance of causing a problem would be a very bad thing.

    2. Re:Short summary isn't always good by bws111 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, at least your number 3 is wrong. Cell phones are not allowed on planes because a few hundred phones simultaneously hopping from tower to tower at several hundred MPH wreaks havoc on the phone system. It is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule.

    3. Re:Short summary isn't always good by ethanms · · Score: 1

      1. Text messages work when voice calls are dropped for the same reason Morse can get through when SSB voice can't.

      At this point it's all data... so why would TXT get thru and not voice? only explanation might be that more data doesn't get thru, or that re-tries make it happen...

      but I don't buy the tone-signaling vs. voice argument... it's just bits...

    4. Re:Short summary isn't always good by CyrusOmega · · Score: 1

      Actually the site came up fine and I didn't notice any ads. Furthermore the content was non-trivially interesting

      For example (2) isn't just distance but also signaling competition with other phones in the area.

      The writer expands (3) to the include technical issues as well.

    5. Re:Short summary isn't always good by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Well you managed to get one right pulling ideas out of your ass!

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    6. Re:Short summary isn't always good by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lets say a cell tower has 64 voice channels available. Lets say there are sixty-four people on that cell tower holding conversations. Lets say somebody calls your cell. Ooops, no available voice channel; they get your voice mail. You get a 'new voicemail' notification through the dedicated signalling channel.

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    7. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad someone read the article!

    8. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Text messages work when voice calls are dropped for the same reason Morse can get through when SSB voice can't.

      not according to the article, according to the article it's all digital (voice is digitized), just a separate transmitter for data than voice, in a different portion of the spectrum. So SMS cannot be saturated by too many voice calls (but voice calls can't be placed if this data channel is saturated, so voice will never work when SMS doesn't.)

    9. Re:Short summary isn't always good by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      Yet I bet every day, 1,000's of phones are left on in the air unintentially, without consequence.

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    10. Re:Short summary isn't always good by AlejoHausner · · Score: 1

      Actually, maybe airlines don't allow phones on planes because they are being considerate to other passengers who don't want to spend 6 hours sandwiched next to a blabbermouth. Then again, why would the companies who fly sardine cans with wings care about the comfort of their prisoners? Alejo

    11. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not a limitation on CDMA network. In fact, you are often connected to more than one tower with CDMA and it helps improve the signal quality.

      GSM really should be abandoned for CDMA, but there is so much invested in it that no one is willing to dump it and buy all new equipment.

    12. Re:Short summary isn't always good by debrain · · Score: 1

      3. You're not allowed to use phones on airplanes because of paranoid ignoramuses and the insightful people who realize how bad it could get when people in a flying bomb know what's going on (and how annoying cell phones are).

      Airplane Instrument Landing Systems use radio frequencies that I understand mobile phones interfere with. This is particularly a problem when the plane is far from a cell-phone tower (as mobile phones will increase their signal strength to reach distant towers).

      This has become less of a problem as GPS has augmented existing ILS localizers. However, I don't think GPS replaces the glidescope, and it is less reliable in inclement weather than localizers.

      Caveat: Everything I know about what I just said comes from trying to land 767's in X-Plane.

    13. Re:Short summary isn't always good by ethanms · · Score: 1

      Oops, I should have been more clear in what I wrote...

      I have issue w/ the analogy between morse code vs. voice for sms vs. voice... the idea being that morse code is more easily transmittable with questionable signal so it's intelligible when voice would not be, therefore sms would be better able to get through vs. a voice call.

      I understand the idea that a voice channel may not be available to place/receive a call on because of congestion. In fact I'd take it one step further to say that I'd probably have an easier time sorting out overlapping voice conversations vs. overlapping morse code... so in that regard voice might be better? :)

    14. Re:Short summary isn't always good by bws111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That may well be, but even 1000s of phones spread out over a day is not much compared to 100s of phones on every plane.

    15. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      1. Text messages work when voice calls are dropped for the same reason Morse can get through when SSB voice can't.

      That's a bad analogy, and infers that the fundamental radio carrier / modulation is different for SMS than voice. Both are exactly the same thing fundamentally - data that are sent using the exact same mechanism. The difference is SMS is small, discreet and not real-time, whereas voice requires long-duration, continuous connectivity. Morse code has greater range because it is just a carrier wave that is not modulated with data. It is the modulation of the carrier wave that is so difficult to decode on a receiver unless you have a strong, clean signal.

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    16. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 3, Informative

      Considering the number of passengers who are carried by airplanes each year, even something with a one-in-a-million chance of causing a problem would be a very bad thing.

      This is blatantly false. Airliners are chock full of things with much higher odds of failure than one in a million. Airliners achieve their extremely good safety record through redundancy and robustness, not through avoiding failure at all costs. Airliners have things fail all the time, it's just that the vast majority of the time the inherent redundancy and robustness of the aircraft make it such a minor event that the passengers don't even know it happened.

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    17. Re:Short summary isn't always good by tsa · · Score: 1

      Another thing is that in the case of a crash, you don't want all those mobile phones flying through the plane and injuring people. That's why you are not allowed to use electronic equipment during takeoff and landing.

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    18. Re:Short summary isn't always good by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Another thing is that in the case of a crash, you don't want all those mobile phones flying through the plane and injuring people.

      You must be kidding me...

      I think it'd be somewhat fatuous to worry about a flying game boy than, you know, the whole "deceleration trauma" thing as the ground decides to shove itself up my posterior at terminal velocity.

    19. Re:Short summary isn't always good by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      GPS with WAAS will replace the glidescope. It's computed on the fly.

    20. Re:Short summary isn't always good by tsa · · Score: 1

      So you'd rather survive the crash with a bleeding headwound from a gameboy and no further injuries than just be able to normally use the emergency exit?

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    21. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      You are correct, sir. Under GSM, a text message takes up exactly one frame. Voice is 50 frames per second. All the phone has to do is catch one frame (that the cell tower is going to keep on repeating if it thinks that your phone is on.).

    22. Re:Short summary isn't always good by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      1. That's not the only reason. SMS works on the signaling channels, which are never "used" except for a very short period of time. Voice calls work over the... wait for it... voice channels! Sometimes those channels fill up, but you can still get through on the signaling channels.

      2. RTFA... not purely based on the distance from the tower. It's also based on the number of phones in the vicinity that use the same bands and are fighting for signals, meaning they need to transmit a "I'm here!" type message much more often, even at the same distance from a tower.

      3. No, it'll cause havoc with the cell system in GENERAL having them going on in the plane. The "paranoid ignoramuses" obviously are much less ignorant than you are.

      4. See #1. Voicemail notifications works over the same notification channels as SMS (it was actually for voicemail notification first), and thus has the same benefits and pitfalls. You were right, but you didn't grasp the connection between the two, something you'd know if you read the fine article.

      Being vociferous about things you "know" can often end up in you looking like a fool. Even if the mods give you points on your patently wrong information.

    23. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? You think they would let you on the plane if it were dangerous for you to have that? And you think that planes don't encounter signals one hell of a lot stronger than your cell phone?

      If it were that dangerous, they wouldn't let you have it, because people would use them anyway. They would "sneak" in a call or a text, which I think most would agree has to have happened by now.

    24. Re:Short summary isn't always good by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Uh... if I survive a plane crash at all, I'm not about to be picky about minutiae like bleeding wounds, broken limbs, or a ruptured spleen.

    25. Re:Short summary isn't always good by maric · · Score: 1

      UM, sorry but you are wrong on that one. From www.FAA.gov: * The FCC and FAA ban cell phones for airborne use because its signals could interfere with critical aircraft instruments. Radios and televisions are also prohibited. * Laptops and other personal electronic devices (PEDs) such as hand-held computer games and tape or CD players are also restricted to use above 10,000 feet owing to concerns they could interfere with aircraft instrumentation (from http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_safe/information/)

    26. Re:Short summary isn't always good by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      It is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule.

      Actually, it's both:

      The FCC rule says you can't use a cell phone while airborne.

      The FAA rule says that the operator must prohibit the use of electronic devices in flight, unless the OPERATOR is sure that they will not interfere with the aircraft systems.

    27. Re:Short summary isn't always good by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      GPS with WAAS will replace the glidescope. It's computed on the fly.

      With enough satellites in view, GPS provides altitude. That can be (and has been) used to generate a glideslope indicator that is indistinguishable from one generated by an ILS (instrument landing system).

      However, GPS doesn't always provide sufficient accuracy for an approach to a 200-foot decision height (the minimum for a Category 1 approach). And it doesn't quickly (and clearly) indicate when the GPS signal is insufficient, either because of satellites in view, satellite geometry, atmospheric distortion, or a sudden malfunction.

      WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation Service) addresses this problem. A network of 25 monitoring reference stations across the US measure the received signals, and generate a GPS correction signal which is broadcast from a pair of geosynchronous satellites over the US.

    28. Re:Short summary isn't always good by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      WAAS will be sufficient for Class I ILS landings. LAAS (loacal area augmentation system), where they put a GPS correction station at the airport to provide local error correction over VHF. LAAS will permit Class III ILD landings.

    29. Re:Short summary isn't always good by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1

      And if phones were really so dangerous, why are they not scanned for and collected like every other spork and butterknife that TSA employees wet their pants over?

    30. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a question of "can we get bits through," it's a question of "how many bits can we get through?" A worse signal means a smaller signal-to-noise ratio, which reduces the bandwidth of the channel. Reduced bandwidth means fewer bits-per-second. Voice data requires significantly higher BPS than text messages, and thus at a certain degradation of signal your phone will be able to accurately send enough BPS to deliver a text message but not sustain a voice call.

    31. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An actual problem is that the pilots can hear the annoying sounds of a gsm looking for a network in their headsets, just like you hear it when your phone is too close to your speakers.

    32. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      This is the closest thing to reality I have read on the subject for a long time.

      When landing and taking off (the absolute worst time for Something Bad to happen to the airplane instruments), shutting down all the random RF emitters near the instruments makes lots of sense.

      Even more so, when you understand how the glideslope, localiser and marker beacons are transmitted and displayed. These are (unless you have very new equipment, and even if you do, the old analog stuff is still your backup if the computer fails) amplitude-modulated analog signals that use tones and their relative phases to move meters in the cockpit. They don't respond well to random bursts of (relatively) high power RF. Just imagine what that catchy little "tickety-tick" that shows up on your car radio just before your cellphone rings...would do to a display trying to show you the phase or amplitude difference between two audio tones.

      I, for one, don't want *anything* interfering with the stuff that's helping my pilot find the exact right patch of ground underneath all those clouds, rain and fog. I'm guessing most of you are with me on this one.

      Cellphones off for takeoff and landing, please folks. It makes much less difference at 10,000 feet and above. The cell phone towers may get confused, but the have the same problem when you're at the top of a 16,000 ft mountain, and they're not prohibited there, so I think that's a phony reason for the prohibition.

      There have been documented cases where pilots have had bogus navigational instrument readings which have gone away when passenger cellphones have been located and turned off. Pilots aren't RFI troubleshooters, but they are pretty bright and have good basic technical knowledge, so when I read reports like that, I believe them. That's not to say that the cellphone might have been out of the ordinary in some way, but then again, maybe it wasn't. I prefer not to take the chance. Does it matter? Maybe not, but do you want to bet your life and the lives of everyone else on board? Personally, I'll wait until we land to make that phone call.

    33. Re:Short summary isn't always good by quenda · · Score: 1

      Then why can't we use mobiles when flying across Australia or western Canada? You're lucky to be in range of even one tower outside of takeoff and landing.

    34. Re:Short summary isn't always good by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      1. Text messages work when voice calls are dropped for the same reason Morse can get through when SSB voice can't.

      At this point it's all data... so why would TXT get thru and not voice? only explanation might be that more data doesn't get thru, or that re-tries make it happen...

      but I don't buy the tone-signaling vs. voice argument... it's just bits...

      For a few different reasons. One is that text messages use a different channel than voice calls (they are transmitted in the control channel), also text messages use far less bandwidth than a voice call, and finally text messages can be re-transmitted whereas a voice call is basically now or never.

      For an illustration of the last two reasons think of shipping a container with something large inside it (say a car), you may only be able to fit two or maybe three cars in a container, and it's very difficult to get another one in once it is full. If you wanted to add a small package, though, that is easy, even if the container is already filled to capacity with cars. To illustrate the last point, it's as if the car has to go out on this container or it won't be shipped at all, but the small package can wait for the next container, or the one after that.

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    35. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's paranoid ignoramuses. You don't suppose, for instance, that all the cell towers, radar sites, communications equipment, TV transmitters, and other crap that planes fly over might possibly cause more signals than your sub-watt cell phone, do you? How about a lightning bolt? Those cause all kinds of fun with electronic signals, and yet the average commercial airliner is hit by lightning twice a year. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002844619_boeing05.html/ Understanding how airplane navigation really works wouldn't hurt either, prior to coming up with soccer mom reasoning as to why we should ban anything that might possibly lead to some unspecified harm at an unspecified time for unknown reasons.

    36. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Tidbits is in fact older than www (It is 18 years old) and it doesn't need to have "lots of ads". Tidbits is a very prestigious Apple focused mailing list and doesn't need the tricks you suggest. I am not even sure they track "impressions" of couple of gifs there.

    37. Re:Short summary isn't always good by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      It is also "human rule'. Do we really want to hear 3-4 idiots personal lives while we fly? I really don't especially after 14 hours Japan and HK flight. The overpriced and strange plane phone was attached to all seats on my flight and nobody was using it since you have to use your credit card and pass couple of strange menus. It was like IQ test and nobody dared to use them.

      Bus companies are also using "climate control system" and "ABS" as excuse for years. ABS excuse is also a death threat so it works. Everyone who is a bit technical knows especially Setra (Mercedes high end) and Neoplan (MAN high end) won't get effected but we stay silent. Better than that old lady calling his friend at 4 AM.

    38. Re:Short summary isn't always good by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. Mobile phones on planes are seriously dangerous. If they ever lift the mobile phone ban on aircraft, there will certainly a massive upturn in hospital admissions of people whose phones have been shoved so far up their own arses that they can still talk on them.

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    39. Re:Short summary isn't always good by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      Specifically the phone/tower have a hard time determining which tower is closest since your distance to each tower is smaller in relation to the distance to the next tower. So you end up with several towers each getting basically the same signal strength, and all of them trying to take the signal at the same time.

      A few unintentionally left on doing this is one thing. Every one left on with people talking on them (where tower routing is done more aggressively) is something completely different.

      As GP said, this is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule - the airplanes are shielded against this sort of interference. The turning off of electronic devices during takeoff is an FAA rule, again, not because of interference, but because they need people to be alert to instructions particularly if there is an emergency.

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  15. Re:website for nerds, not norms by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

    not RTFA yet, but id guess its because as soon as you make the connection to the tower you are connected to your service proider and they send you the data.

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  16. I don't understand this about mobile networks .. by instinct71 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do mobile-phone servers distinguish between a switched off mobile phone and a one that is 'out of reach' of the mobile towers ? I never understood how I get those two different messages. What mechanism is used to differentiate between a switched off phone and a one that is out of reach ?

  17. Phones on airplanes by dj245 · · Score: 4, Informative

    3. You're not allowed to use phones on airplanes because of paranoid ignoramuses and the insightful people who realize how bad it could get when people in a flying bomb know what's going on (and how annoying cell phones are).

    This only half the story. There are a couple technical limitations also.

    1. Airplanes are metal tubes. Ever try to make a call in an elevator? A singlewide trailer? It's difficult or impossible.
    2. Even if you could get a signal in a plane, you're several tens of thousand feet up. You can see dozens of cell towers but go into and out of their range very quickly at 600mph. Cell tower networks aren't designed for this.

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    1. Re:Phones on airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then why were people able to make cell phone calls on the 9/11 planes with no problem. The couple I've heard were long and clear.

    2. Re:Phones on airplanes by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      So you want to say that you are not _allowed_ to use phones on the ariplanes because you _can't_ use them?

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    3. Re:Phones on airplanes by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      While you are correct about #2, #1 is demonstrably false.

      As far as the GPP goes, the reason cell phones were banned on airplanes was concern about possible interference with avionics and instrumentation. The ban goes back to when cell phones were first popularized.

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    4. Re:Phones on airplanes by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I read that the calls made from the 9/11 planes were made using the satellite phones (the ones where you swipe your card in the handset integrated into the seat and get charged $20). BICBW.

    5. Re:Phones on airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other issue is.. there's no signal!!! Seriuosly turn on your phone and see.

    6. Re:Phones on airplanes by Jedimstr397 · · Score: 1

      It's a basic Faraday Cage. Look it up.

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    7. Re:Phones on airplanes by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Wow, my $30 Nokia must really be something special then. I can make calls and SMSs just fine when in such a Faraday Cage sitting on a runway waiting for clearance.

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    8. Re:Phones on airplanes by thetartanavenger · · Score: 1

      People CAN potentially make phonecalls from a plane. That doesn't mean they should..

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    9. Re:Phones on airplanes by Trogre · · Score: 1

      1. I'm sorry that is just not true. What you're describing is a Faraday Cage, which needs to be built rather carefully, and then is usually tuned to cancel only certain frequency ranges. A plane just doesn't block cell phone signals. Unless the ones I've been on have had repeaters somewhere in them.

      2. Agreed, if you're near a metropolitan area. Between cities you might see three or four, but that's just a guess.

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    10. Re:Phones on airplanes by Punto · · Score: 0

      For the same reason you can make a phone call from inside a tall building.. the 9/11 planes were roughly at the same height (and position).

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    11. Re:Phones on airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why were people able to make cell phone calls on the 9/11 planes with no problem. The couple I've heard were long and clear.

      Because the GP doesn't know what he's talking about. You can make cell phone calls on airplanes. The calls will sound as good as they do on the ground and unless you get way out in the boonies the reception will be fine. It's not a question of whether or not it is technically possible.

      The problem is that planes move really fast, and that the phones and the underlying infrastructure isn't built to be able to handle moving at those speeds. On an airplane your phone will be swapping to a different tower at a drastically higher rate than what's expected. If there's a lot of people doing this, it would be very easy to overload the system, as changing cells is one of the most resource-draining things that system does. The other problem is that switching cells so fast will drain your cellphone's battery very quickly.

      There will come a day when the infrastructure is in place to allow cellphones on airplanes. The demand is already there, the technology is already there, it's just a question of when the money is going to be spent to build the infrastructure. And on that day, flying will become that much more irritating.

    12. Re:Phones on airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pretty good question that we're probably never going to see a real solid answer for. You're left to your own research to find the answers, to be sure.

    13. Re:Phones on airplanes by DiegoBravo · · Score: 1

      I really don't know the true to this issue (It seems nobody agree here) but form the article:

      "As a side note, the real reason airlines make you turn all your electronics off during takeoff and landing is so you aren't distracted and can hear and follow directions if something goes wrong."

    14. Re:Phones on airplanes by InakaBoyJoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sigh, mythbusting time...

      1) The "metal tube" myth: Get in an elevator, and compare the performance of a 2G (GSM, CDMA) phone and a 3G (UMTS) phone -- you might be surprised. In the 2100MHz band at least, most 3G phones work just fine.

      2) The "hundreds of MPH" myth: Nope. Phones are not banned on high speed trains in Europe or Asia, which also travel at hundreds of MPH. The story I heard was that it's not the speed of the handoffs that's the problem, it's the fact that a phone in an airplane at cruising altitude can see too many base stations at once, hence it becomes difficult to route the call properly.

    15. Re:Phones on airplanes by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      1. Airplanes are metal tubes. Ever try to make a call in an elevator? A singlewide trailer? It's difficult or impossible.

      Calls have been known to work from airplanes just fine. Even though you are so far away the fact that you have a clear line of site to the cell tower (not counting a very thin metal wall) makes the call go through just fine.

      2. Even if you could get a signal in a plane, you're several tens of thousand feet up. You can see dozens of cell towers but go into and out of their range very quickly at 600mph. Cell tower networks aren't designed for this.

      Close but not quite. You can maintain a connection to a single cell for quite a while (again, think line of site) and the ground-based cellular networks have been known to maintain and switch a call from an airplane just fine. The problem is that the bandwidth you are using for that call gets tied up on all the cells you are in range of which can be in the hundreds from an airplane so you are using up huge amounts of the cellular providers resources just to place your phone call. Basically put, even though you are only communicating to a single selected cell all the other cells within range have to relinquish bandwidth to you or your call will end up stomping all over other calls being made from the ground on the same frequency.

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    16. Re:Phones on airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh, mythbusting time...

      1) The "metal tube" myth: Get in an elevator, and compare the performance of a 2G (GSM, CDMA) phone and a 3G (UMTS) phone -- you might be surprised. In the 2100MHz band at least, most 3G phones work just fine.

      2) The "hundreds of MPH" myth: Nope. Phones are not banned on high speed trains in Europe or Asia, which also travel at hundreds of MPH. The story I heard was that it's not the speed of the handoffs that's the problem, it's the fact that a phone in an airplane at cruising altitude can see too many base stations at once, hence it becomes difficult to route the call properly.

      2) Not quite true. There is a speed limit defined in the GSM specifications that is around 300 km/h (roughly the speed of a high speed train)in an environment that has little interference from multipath signals (ie countryside)

      The more multipath interference, the lower the speed a phone can travel while being able to make a call.

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    17. Re:Phones on airplanes by dhavleak · · Score: 1

      Actually both these technical limitations aren't true. At a cruising altitude of say 25,000 feet you are a mere 5 miles away from the ground -- with nothing absorbing/obstructing the signal. As a reference, a typical cellphone tower services and area of 10 square miles (so lets say up to a radius of 3.1 miles) -- but is easily capable of going going up to 5 miles. The reason you wouldn't normally be connected to a tower beyond 3 miles in a city -- well, by that point you're probably closer to another tower (i.e. you're in another cell site) -- plus on the ground the signal needs to get through all the buildings, foliage, etc. between you and the tower. In an aircraft, you've got nothing but thin air between you and the site.

      Interestingly, the actual technical limitation is that (in a sense) you'll be able to get too strong a signal. i.e. your phone will be able to simultaneously communicate with several cell sites. This causes problems with the channel reuse -- on the ground channel reuse works by dividing the spectrum into chunks and making adjacent cell sites use different chunks of the spectrum. In the air, if you might be able to hit two different cell sites that use the same chunk (not to mention the adjacent ones between them). That condition, or the rapid switching (thrashing) between these two cell sites could even cause a crash in the switch (in the base station).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft

  18. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A phone sends a message to unregister itself right before powering of.

  19. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by instinct71 · · Score: 1

    All right. So my phone goes out of reach if my battery falls off the phone suddenly ?

  20. Re:why the redundant "story" in all the tags?? by KookyMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    New tag system apparently. Mouse over the various tags and you'll see there are three tag types--Top, System, and Type. I'm presuming that since there are more stories submitted than anything, the Story tag will be on almost every entry.

  21. How it Works for Me by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Dial number, tower recieves signal and discards number.
    2. Dial again, tower connects and routes call around the world before connecting to the called number.
    3. Tower waits for conversation to begin and injects random noise, removes every third word, and then disconnects.

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  22. served by a Mac (the Emperor is ill) by operator_error · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.tidbits.com/about/in-use.html Emperor The machine emperor.tidbits.com, also known as www.tidbits.com and just tidbits.com, is our main server. It does basically everything for us now.

    Dual 1.33 GHz Xserve G4 - [Our server, sic]Emperor runs on a normal dual 1.33 GHz Xserve G4 (2 GB of RAM). Emperor is still running Mac OS X Server 10.2.8, which came with it and handles the load just fine, so we haven't had any reason to upgrade.

    Web Crossing - The server software that powers all of our Internet services is Web Crossing, from the company of the same name. Web Crossing can do just about anything, since it backs up its built-in Web, FTP, email, and NNTP service with plug-ins that add mailing lists (also accessible via the Web and NNTP), RSS support, weblogs, wikis, and much more. A lot of this is possible becuase at its heart, Web Crossing includes a high-performance object-oriented database and not one but two programming languages for creating dynamic sites. Web Crossing is the software that Apple uses to host their discussions.

    1. Re:served by a Mac (the Emperor is ill) by adamengst · · Score: 1

      Actually, the server in question was an Intel-based Xserve running Apache 2, MySQL, and a bunch of custom stuff. We believe the problem may have been drive failure. :-(

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  23. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by GeorgeMonroy · · Score: 0

    What if you power off when you are out of reach?

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  24. Could the article... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Have possibly managed to mention the iPhone more? Considering the market penetration, genericizing 'iPhone' to practically mean 'any old cell phone' is a tad premature...

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    1. Re:Could the article... by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      "TidBITS is an award-winning electronic newsletter and web site dealing primarily with Apple Computer and Macintosh-related topics."

      Maybe you should find out a little bit about the web sites you criticize before you shoot off your mouth.

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  25. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by Isvara · · Score: 5, Informative

    Disclaimer: this is for GSM -- other network types may be similar, though.

    When a handset is turned on, it sends an IMSI* Attach message to the cellular network. When you turn it off, instead of immediately powering down it sends an IMSI Detach message to let the network know that it is no longer available.

    If you lose signal, or just take the battery out, the network doesn't know that the handset is unavailable. It sends out a paging message to the last cell it was known to be in, and eventually to the whole network before giving up and returning an 'unavailable' message.

    * Or TMSI if it has already been assigned a temporary ID to use instead of its IMSI.

  26. Re:Next up, by legoman666 · · Score: 0, Troll

    The same reason your asshole bleeds when you stick a large object in it.

  27. /.ed by ray13eezy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    damn you slashdot. look what you're doing to these poor web pages. they may never be able to recover from this kind of shock. and i really wanted to know how cell phones work! (although i probably wouldn't have if i hadn't read it on here first)

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  28. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

    When a handset switches off and you are within coverage, it will signal to the cellular network that it is turning off. Similarly, if you receive a call and press the End key to reject the call, it will send a "busy" signal to the network, which can be handled differently to the usual "not available/did not answer", depending on how your network profile is set up.

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  29. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by ipb · · Score: 1

    Your phone doesn't stay on until the battery dies, it stays on until the software determines the battery is getting too low, unregisters itself, then shuts down.

  30. Next on Slashdot. by SeNtM · · Score: 5, Funny


    Stay tuned to Slashdot for our next featured article, "The Mysterious Wheel."

    When we will discover:
    1. What is a wheel?
    2. Why does a wheel roll?
    3. What magic has created such a device?

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    1. Re:Next on Slashdot. by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

      Let me quench your thirst for knowledge:

      1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel
      2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force
      3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens

      Satisfied? If not, frame your response as a question, and google it.

  31. Re:Next up, by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    You mean an asshole has only one-way traffic? Because some of the Taco bell stuff i ate produced some of the largest and longest stuff i had ever seen coming out of mine.

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  32. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The network would send a request to your phone when a call is placed to it which under normal circumstances would send a response back to the network. If your battery fell off then obviously your phone doesn't respond and the call is considered "not available".

    There is no communication from your phone to the network, whereas for hitting "end" or ignoring the call information is passed back and forth.

  33. Working link by againjj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://db.tidbits.com/article/9796?print_version=1

    Odd that the print version on the same site works.

    1. Re:Working link by Nerdposeur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not anymore!

    2. Re:Working link by tylerni7 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Not anymore

  34. Re:but it's all digital (well binary states) by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

    Actually the article explains, that their is a different transmitter for the SMS/message/misc data (not clear if it is on a separate carrier frequency, or just a lower data rate that travels better.) So the reason is this data is not sharing bandwidth with voice data. Basically if the data bandwidth gets saturated the voice path will fall apart, but if the voice path gets saturated the data part can still work.
    Since cell phone voice traffic is digitized and sent as digital signal. message/sms is sent as a digital. Morse code travels well because it's a digital (granted all sent as a analog). So actually the reason voice travels poorly on amateur radio is unrelated. I assumed the same as you, that I knew, according to the article we didn't.

  35. signal strength? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Your GPS looks for special signals from satellites, and then compares the strength of those signals to triangulate your position."

    No, GPS doesn't use the signal strength to calculate your position, it uses the relative arrival time of time signals from the GPS signals.

    So can I trust the author to get anything else right?

  36. GPS explanation is total BS by harrkev · · Score: 4, Informative

    In TFA, the explanation of GPS is total BS. The person writing the article does not even have the faintest idea how real GPS works.

    Here is the real story:

    Unlike in the article, determining the GPS position does not use strength of the signal, but the timing of the signals along with a knowledge of exactly where the GPS satellites are.

    There are two types of data needed by a GPS: almanac and ephemeris. Almanac just gives the satellite's orbit. This stuff does not change, unless a satellite dies or the government changes the orbits for some reason. Given a rough location and time, the GPS can use the almanac data to know which satellites it should be looking for. This is why an older GPS may ask for the time, date, and state you are in when first turning it on. The GPS can figure out this stuff by itself, but it will take a few extra minutes.

    Ephemeris data, on the other hand, needs to be refreshed every hour or two, and pins the satellite's location down fine enough to be useful. This data is encoded on the GPS signal, and may take a couple of minutes to get (very slow data rate). This is why getting a lock can take some time when first turning on a GPS. If you turn off a GPS and then turn it on 30 minutes later (even if you traveled 100 miles in that time), then the GPS will get a fix in under a minute.

    The reason that phones can get a GPS lock almost instantly is that they can get the ephemeris data from the cell tower. It is true the cellular network can have a pretty good idea where the phone is even without the GPS, but that extra information does not help the phone's GPS at all.

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    1. Re:GPS explanation is total BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need more than the ephemeris data to get a quick fix, you also need to know the approximate time and position, which are provided by the cell network. The more accurate the initial information is, the faster the fix.

    2. Re:GPS explanation is total BS by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      That's funny... I know Google Maps on my Blackberry (T-Mobile) will find me by the tower I'm connected to first (and give an accuracy of about 1500 meters) before it starts tracking in on the GPS signal, if I get the GPS signal at all. Phones most definitely get more than ephemeris data from the cell towers, and the author's description had at least as many facts right as your post does.

    3. Re:GPS explanation is total BS by harrkev · · Score: 1

      The cell network *CAN* get a rough idea of where you are without the GPS. I am just saying that it does not help the GPS much, other than providing current ephemeris data.

      For google maps, the cell phone location is apparently used as a fail-over when the GPS fails (or while waiting for it to start up).

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  37. GPS uses signal strength? by stevenm86 · · Score: 1

    Naaaah I don't think so. GPS does not rely on signal strength to find your location at all. In fact, it uses time difference of arrival (TDOA) information of a set of PRN sequences to trilaterate your position. And the reason cold-start takes so long is that GPS has to potentially download new alamanc and ephemeris data for every satellite, which is sent down at a whopping 50baud. And if you miss a bit, you have to wait 90 seconds, since this is how often the data is repeated. Of course, since there are usually numerous satellites in view, chances are you will be able to get complete data for 4 of them in approximately 45 seconds.

    1. Re:GPS uses signal strength? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Except modern receivers CAN use signal strength to account for phase shift due to atmospheric conditions.

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    2. Re:GPS uses signal strength? by stevenm86 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That doesn't quite constitute using (overall) signal strength, and neither is it the primary location method. Yes, it is possible to use the carrier phase information as well as the L2 carrier phase (and L1/L2 discrepancy) to get a more accurate fix, but this information is only used to adjust the TDOAs of the PRN signals and compensate for varying ionospheric delays. Signal strength of each satellite is much more affected by random low clouds and even the receiver's immediate environment, than by distance from the satellite. In fact, if your receiver provides an SNR readout for each satellite, you can get an idea about just how dramatically these values are affected by, say, a tree that partially obscures a portion of the sky.

  38. Re:Next up, by not+already+in+use · · Score: 1

    Mod Parent -1, TMI

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  39. Only applies to GSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    This is only a problem in GSM networks. CDMA networks regular have users connected to multiple towers and it actually improves the signal quality.

    GSM should have been dumped in favor of CDMA 10 years ago!

  40. The same way... by thewils · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    as they work in front of the scenes I should imagine.

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  41. Re:I don't understand this about mobile networks . by repvik · · Score: 1

    Then you are... out of reach. *rimshot*

  42. /.'s ignorance on the plane subject is staggering by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    A) Cell Phones are only licensed for ground mobile. Using them in the air is actually a crime.

    B) They can interfere with the navigational systems.

    C) It's not just cell phones.

    Here is some real world reports:
    http://www.airnig.co.uk/emi.htm

    Studies have been conducted on confiscated equipment. While there are a lot of variables, it can and has happened and has happened in repeatable tests.

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  43. Total waste by areusche · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The article is an incredible waste of time. If you really want (fairly) accurate basic information on how a cellular network operates go to Wikipedia or head over to www.howardforums.com . The fine people there are incredibly educated and can give you a basic understanding of what hibby jibby stuff goes on.

  44. Re:One thing didn't get explained at this moment.. by ScreamingCactus · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do articles keep getting slashdotted when no one ever reads them? (On that note, here is a shortened version of the article.)

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  45. Re:website for nerds, not norms by Foolicious · · Score: 1

    he [adamengst] may not understand how they work. but for the majority here i might think the understanding is natural.

    Oh yeah - natural.

    At its simplest, the MSC is just two big databases and a connection to the regular phone system. One database, called your Home Location Registry (HLR) is the master database for your account, with your IMSI, phone number, and current location. The second database is called the Visitor Location Registry (VLR) and it keeps track of people that have wandered into that area (a VLR serves only a single base station). Here's how it works - your phone registers your unique IMSI with the nearest base station, and that base station tells its VLR that you are connected. The VLR then contacts your HLR and, using your IMSI, registers your location.

    I'm sure you, in your ultimate smugness, knew all this and more before reading the article (you did read it, right?). But I actually learned something from RTFA. Maybe I'm just not in the majority here...

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  46. Everyone loves PA by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    That was perfectly on topic!

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  47. It has been /. by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 0, Redundant

    TidBITS appears to be overloaded with traffic since you put this on /. I had no problems earlier today.

    I got the error message now:
    Network Timeout

    The server at db.tidbits.com is taking too long to respond.

    The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply.

            * Could the server be experiencing high demand or a temporary outage? Try again later.
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  48. Easy to explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cell phone network is like a series of tubes...

  49. Re:/.'s ignorance on the plane subject is staggeri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the plane's navigational systems are in any way, shape, or form 'vulnerable' to the radio frequency emissions of a cell phone (or any other consumer device) then we need to immediately ground all commercial air travel.

    If it really was an issue, the airlines would either have planes falling out of the sky, or they would already have retro-fitted the passenger compartments with faraday cages.

    Your link is crap as well, the info is speculation and FUD nearly 10 years old. A simple scan of the Weak-apedia yields these items of interest:

    * Boeing performed extensive tests as reported in AeroMagazine's Interference from Electronic Devices in response to reports by flight crews of anomalies that they believed to be caused by electronic devices. The flight crews had apparently confirmed the effect by switching the "suspect" device on and off and watching the effects. Despite this, and despite the fact that Boeing in many cases was able to purchase the actual offending device from the passenger and use it in extensive testing, Boeing was never able to reproduce any of the anomalies. The report concludes:

    and

    As of mid April 2007 Qantas have teamed up with Panasonic Avionics Corporation and AeroMobile to commence a three month trial that will "enable customers to send and receive e-mails, access the Internet and send and receive text messages from their own mobile phone"

    On 18 October 2007 Ofcom published proposals for the technical and authorisation approach that would be adopted to allow this for European GSM users on the 1800Mz band on UK registered aircraft.

    On 26 March 2008 Ofcom approved the use of mobile phone-supporting picocells aboard aircraft in the United Kingdom. Airline companies will have to equip the aircraft with picocells and apply for licences.

    Which includes quite a bit from non-USA sources.

    Don't believe all the FUD. Despite your claim that it 'can and does happen' you fail to provide a link to a citation, and all the evidence I have found contradicts yours. Not a single report EVER of a cell phone causing any dangerous interference, or leading to a crash, etc.

  50. Sigh by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I saw the error and still click submit.

    Maybe that is why the plane crashed~

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  51. How about ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ....TidBits doing an article on how web servers work and what happens when their URL appears on Slashdot?

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  52. Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock smoking twitter!

  53. Providers Will Sometimes Kill Your Battery Life by FrankDrebin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I heard this second-hand, so take with a grain of salt.

    When a CDMA phone is idle, and the network supports it, the phone enters "slotted mode". Slotted mode is where the phone sleeps for a period of time (potentially quite long time -- several seconds), then wakes up to determine if anyone is calling it, then goes back to sleep until the next slot. Obviously, this feature is a key to very long battery life.

    Apparently a certain CDMA carrier with quite sparse network capacity in the rural areas, switches off slotted mode on long weekends. They found out that when everyone goes out of town, their network can't handle it. So they force all the cell phones to drain their batteries by switching off slotted mode. They found their customers are very upset when calls do not go through, but not upset if they have a dead battery.

    Sneaky if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Providers Will Sometimes Kill Your Battery Life by everslick · · Score: 1

      This slotted mode does not make sense to me. The gsm receiver chip just has to stay powered and will wake up the main cpu when it receives a call. So most of the phone can be sleeping all the time without constantly waking up every now and then. exept maybe the gsm chip itself will be powered down too to save even more battery, what i find hard to believe.

    2. Re:Providers Will Sometimes Kill Your Battery Life by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      So most of the phone can be sleeping all the time without constantly waking up every now and then. exept maybe the gsm chip itself will be powered down too to save even more battery, what i find hard to believe.

      Believe it. That's exactly what the parent was saying: the radio receiver consumes power just to listen, so "slotted mode" actually turns off the receiver while waiting for the next slot to come around.

      But he was talking about CDMA, not GSM.

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  54. Why do I need to read an article, I know how ... by dogdick · · Score: 0

    Why do I need to read an article, I know how cell phones work. Dial twice, get through say 'hi' about four times, figure out whose turn it is to talk through all the break ups then once a month grease up my sphincter for a 150$ ass raping.

  55. Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peering Inside a Mobile Phone Network

    by Rich Mogull

    Have you ever wondered why your mobile phone can alert you to new voicemail without having ever rung? Or why a text message can get through when a call can't? Maybe you've traveled across continents and been amazed at how calls still manage to follow you? Or perhaps you've noticed that sometimes your battery only seems to last a fraction of its normal life? And why can the iPhone 3G figure out your location in 3 seconds when it takes takes your car GPS 3 minutes?

    Although we normally take the ubiquitous mobile phone for granted; assuming it should work anywhere at any time, there's quite a bit of complex technology involved in sending a call to a device in your pocket. While we've all screamed in frustration over dropped calls and other annoyances, the truth is these are impressive devices, packed with amazing technology, that still hold a few tricks up their sleeves. And after you learn a little more about the inside of the system, maybe, just maybe, you'll be a little less irritated the next time you battle to make a simple call.

    How Your Calls Follow You -- One of the most fascinating aspects of mobile phones is how calls manage to find us in the first place. If you think about it, you are basically wandering the planet with a tiny radio in your pocket, but by calling a single number anyone can track you down in seconds. Although there are a few different types of mobile phone networks, they all follow the same basic, yet elegant, architecture. For this article I'll be using terms for the GSM (Global System for Mobile communications) network; the one used by AT&T and other international iPhone providers. I've also simplified things a bit, and Wikipedia is a great source if you'd like to dig in deeper.

    It all starts with the phone in your pocket. Every phone in the world has a unique identifier called an IMSI - your International Mobile Subscriber Identity. In most phones, this is encoded on a small smart card (yes, the same technology used by some banks and ID cards) called a SIM - Subscriber Identity Module. When you turn your phone on it tries to find the nearest base station, which is a collection of switching equipment tied to that (likely ugly) cellular antenna on the side of the highway. Your phone connects to the nearest base station, based on signal strength, and that's where the interesting stuff starts to happen.

    The IMSI truly is a unique number tied to you and your mobile phone provider, and is the key to the entire system. The base station is a relatively dumb system that just passes on your information to the main brains of the system - the Mobile Switching Center (MSC). The MSC can be located pretty much anywhere, which is why in the very early days of cell phones 911 calls might have been routed to a confused emergency dispatcher in a different city or state (don't worry, that's all fixed now). While each system is a little different, a large cell phone provider will generally have a bunch of MSCs to support different phone numbers for different local areas.

    At its simplest, the MSC is just two big databases and a connection to the regular phone system. One database, called your Home Location Registry (HLR) is the master database for your account, with your IMSI, phone number, and current location. The second database is called the Visitor Location Registry (VLR) and it keeps track of people that have wandered into that area (a VLR serves only a single base station). Here's how it works - your phone registers your unique IMSI with the nearest base station, and that base station tells its VLR that you are connected. The VLR then contacts your HLR and, using your IMSI, registers your location.

    When someone calls you, the call is routed from the regular phone system through your MSC all the way out to the highway you're driving on, since the system always knows where you are. If you happen to be on a GSM system like AT&T (and unlike Verizon), your call can even follow you to any other GSM system

  56. Not with GSM by andyh3930 · · Score: 1

    If a GSM phone has good reception signal, and doesn't move, then it only polls the tower every hour to 90 minutes. To prove this just leave you phone next to something that's susceptible to GSM interference

    1. Re:Not with GSM by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      That's not what he was referring to.

      The noise you hear when you leave your phone next to speakers is the phone transmitting. Every so often, the phone transmits a signal just to remind the tower that it's still there. If the tower doesn't get this signal, it assumes you've left the coverage area or your battery has died.

      But the parent was talking about receiving. The "slotted mode" he mentioned allows the phone to turn off its receiver, so instead of listening constantly to know if it's receiving a call, it only has to wake up and listen every X milliseconds. The tower knows when each phone will be listening and saves its pages until then. This saves battery life, at the cost of potentially delaying your incoming messages and calls by a couple seconds.

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  57. I'd like a protocol that doesn't ping the network by dara · · Score: 1

    I only skimmed the article, but one thing I looked for that I'm hoping to understand someday is why a different protocol wouldn't have worked just as well and gotten rid of the problem of interference with mp3 players in your pocket and other devices (until you actually get a call or message). My idea is simple: All towers have unique id sequences that are broadcast on some type of beacon. Phones can be on some type of schedule where they wake up every few seconds to few minutes, demodulate and decode the beacon and determine if the id sequence has changed. Only if it has changed, does the phone need to contact the network to let it know it has moved to a different cell. I'm sick and tired of sitting at my desk and having my phone cause interference every 10-20 minutes. This is a waste of power and it annoys me.

    Am I missing something?

    Dara

  58. Re:I'd like a protocol that doesn't ping the netwo by mediocubano · · Score: 1

    That transmission every 10-20 minutes is called a "registration" and is basically a keep-alive timer for your phone. In order to not waste resources paging a user that has left the area or has turned off their phone the system will automatically deactivate the user (and send straight to voicemail) if the phone hasn't checked in for so many registrations (usually an hour or two.) Granted it was mentioned in another post of the "registration" and explicit "de-registration" when you power off, but de-registration messages don't need an ack so they sometimes fail to go through completely.

    You'll have an opposite problem if you are on the border between two systems (two cities) or two regions. Your phone will scan, pick up one network and immediately register. After a few seconds it might pick up the other network and then register there. That constant ping-ponging will drain your battery in no time. But it has to be done, because the network has to know where to send your call notification. The amount of time between when you are on the new network and have not updated your location database in the network means that you will miss calls in that short amount of time.