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Hands-On With the New MacBooks

Paige Philuer writes "Macworld has a hands-on article examining the new MacBook and MacBook Pro — not a quickie look from Tuesday's event, but a lengthy, in-depth look with laptops they actually have in their offices. Some interesting observations: No FireWire on the MacBook; the TrackPad doesn't feel like you're running your finger across a pane of glass, though that's what it is; and switching between graphics cards in the MacBook Pro requires you to log out." Reader Bourbon contributes three links at CNET related to the new models, too: a positive written review (giving a score of 8/10 to the new MacBook), a video review, and a behind-the-scenes look at how the new models are machined.

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  1. Am I the only one who thinks by dancingmad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a huge Mac fan (I'm typing this on an older MacBook Pro), but man, I really think these new laptops are ugly as sin. I really prefer the look of previous model MacBooks and MacBook Pros, though when the Air came out it was probably inevitable that the other laptops would follow its lead.

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  2. Brightness by victim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great! The displays are bright.
    How about dim? Can they be dim too? My 24" iMac is painfully bright to use in a dark room at its lowest backlight setting. Some people resort to software that puts a neutral gray, transparent window over the whole screen just to keep the pain down at the expense of color resolution. I keep sunglasses by the computer so I can see to work on late night emergency calls while my eyes adapt to the light.

    1. Re:Brightness by von_rick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bright displays might be a necessity, given the glossy screens. Though I'm not quite sure if bright back light can offset reflection of bright objects.

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    2. Re:Brightness by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The LED backlights seem to dim better than the old fluorescent ones did. My not-quite-latest-generation-now MBP with LED backlight works just fine in a dark room and goes nice and bright for a non-dark room.

    3. Re:Brightness by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a real solution but holding control option command and 8 inverts the color making the screen a negative. Works well at night when you want to keep the light level down.

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    4. Re:Brightness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You guys are missing the whole point of getting a Mac. You guys haven't remodeled your room to match the design aesthetic of these babies? The plans should incorporate matching multi-mode "daylight"/"nighttime"/"coffee-shop ambience" lighting schemes. And they should all be controllable via keyboard, because only the keyboard knows how much light you will need at that time when you lift the lid.

    5. Re:Brightness by Anonymous+Slacker · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a neat trick...can't wait till the next time I stop by an Apple store... (wonder how long it'll take the geniuses there to fix it)

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    6. Re:Brightness by kliklik · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a great tool called Nocturne, you should check it out.

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    7. Re:Brightness by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hold down control and scroll up with the mouse. This zooms in. Do it just a little bit, and everything is slighly out of focus (subpixel AA doesn't work right when zoomed) and wobbles when you move the mouse. Really confusing to novice Mac users...

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  3. Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess that's so when the first one de-laminates you have a backup. *Bah-dum-bump*

    Actually it's pretty cool to have both high- and low-power options. Too bad they can't switch on the fly. But since the GeForce 9600M GT can do CUDA, maybe you could use it as a compute accelerator while you use the 9400 for display.

    1. Re:Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm frankly rather surprised at the limitations on switching. Sony has been pushing the dual GPU stuff on their higher end laptops for a while, and if Sony, who basically shoves other people's hardware and software into pretty boxes, can get an Nvidia part to work properly on a Microsoft OS(Vista no less), than I would have expected Apple to have it together on their own OS.

      I assume it'll come sooner or later.

  4. Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Lenovo laptops running Vista with two graphics cards can switch completely on the fly. It's a bit disappointing that Apple, with full control over everything, couldn't manage the same. See http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=154.

    1. Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo by niteice · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple doesn't use X. They probably didn't have time to fix WindowServer before launch, but I'd imagine that it will be fixed for Snow Leopard.

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  5. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The black border isn't that great imho, but it's ok. Same for keys I guess.

    But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

  6. Environmentally Friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Watching the video, the Mac guys talk about all of the innovations that have gone into making the computer friendly to the environment. But the aluminum machining looks like a pretty energy intensive and wasteful process. Does anyone know if this is a true observation, relative to the process used to make other laptops?

    1. Re:Environmentally Friendly? by icegreentea · · Score: 2, Informative

      The flip side is that an aluminum body is completely recyclable. Also, 'waste' aluminum from milling can just get recycled right off the bat. If you look at the carbon footprint for just making one plastic and one metal laptop, the plastic will probably win. But if you look at the carbon footprint of a plastic laptop and its 3 plastic replacements, and a metal laptop and its three metal replacements, the metal ones just might do better.

      Yes, I am aware that the metal from one laptop will not directly go into that next chassis, but hey, if they they're all recycled and made from recycled, it works out the same in the end.

  7. Firewire by bladx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wish the low end still had Firewire, though.
    Even if you get the new display that can fit along with the new MacBooks... it has three USB ports in the back yet no Firewire!

    I wonder if it's a power issue...

  8. Re:They cost more by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Informative

    CAD:USD exchange rate isn't as favorable as it used to be. They priced aggressively before, and with the rate change they have to re-price. Won't be good for ROW sales in a recession...

  9. Re:They cost more by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Our dollar slipped 20% (rather, the US dollar recovered 20%). That makes the difference.

    CIV 4? Should work great on the integrated graphics. I'm pretty sure I've run it on my mini.

    The integrated graphics is only slow compared to a cutting edge dedicated board. CIV 4 is a few years old.

  10. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe they designed it for people who want to cross the US border a lot?

  11. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by catch23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One doesn't only replace the hard drive due to failure. The last time I replaced my laptop hard drive was when I discovered I needed more room and didn't want to carry around another drive. I'm guessing most people upgrade their laptop drives for this reason.

  12. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're not the only one. I personally think these look pretty tacky, especially compared the sleek/slick, classy look of the previous model MBP.

    In two years these will look like even uglier, like that K-car your stuffy old man used to drive. Of course by then all the others notebook manufacturers will have copied the design and nobody will notice that they all look cheesy.

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  13. Low end price by AlpineR · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been checking out the MacBooks to console my sister who I advised to buy a white MacBook two weeks ago (d'oh!). I can't speak for the Canadian dollar, but in USD there's been a branching among MacBook models.

    Before there were two: a $1049 model with 1 GB memory, etc and a $1299 model with 2 GB memory, etc. Both were white plastic. If you go to the store now there are two aluminum versions: a $1299 model with 2 GB memory, etc and a $1599 model also with 2 GB memory plus a 90 GB larger drive and a 2.4 GHz CPU versus 2.0 GHz for the cheaper model. If you look closely, there is also a $999 white plastic version with 1 GB memory, etc like before.

    So the low end model did get cheaper. But it's still plastic, not the unibody aluminum. (So much for that being a cheaper process.) The old high-end model is the same price but with faster graphics. Then there is a new top-end model that is bigger, faster, and more expensive.

    1. Re:Low end price by chebucto · · Score: 2, Informative

      I fracked the price up, but I was right about the increase - at least for the mid and high end ones!

      Before, the Canadian prices were $1149, $1349 and $1549. Now, the prices are $1149, $1399 and $1749. The current lowest-end one is the same as the old lowest-end one, except the former combodrive been upgraded to a superdrive. The mid- and high- end ones are the new models. So, it's not as bad as I said, but the trend is definitely upwards.

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  14. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by Jophiel04 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should take a gander at the user manual for the new MacBooks, as the RAM is user replaceable. http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_13inch_Aluminum_Late2008.pdf As for your rant about the hard drive, this is a great move.

    Do you realize what the most likely component on any given laptop to fail is? Setting aside occasional bad crops of GPUs, logic boards, the most likely component in a laptop to fail is the hard drive. Making replacing that simpler and easier is a great idea. In addition, apple charges ridiculous prices on their upgrades, so making yet another component in the machine readily user replaceable is both technically useful and empowers the consumers to make more relevant choices for themselves.

  15. MacBook Hardware by SLOviper · · Score: 5, Informative

    More information at ifixit.com with complete tear-aparts as usual:
    MacBook: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Unibody
    Pro: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Pro-Unibody

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  16. Just bought the 15" MacBook by mlts · · Score: 3, Informative

    My quick comments while I'm erasing the hard disk and reinstalling it: (I always erase the HDD on all new machines to check for any SMART errors, and to know that the install is clean)

    First, the package it comes in is 20% smaller than the black MacBook's tote box. Styrofoam is a thing of the past, replacing it is plastic. Its easy to pull out the MacBook and peel off the plastic on it, easy to yank out the power adapter, but you have to use a thin piece of cardboard to pull the OS media box out as it is set flush, with no fingertip grips to make it easier. This is a very minor thing, though.

    Second, the MacOS CDs are not 10.5.0 as with the black MacBook. You get 10.5.5, and a DVD with the applications.

    Third, like every article says, if you need FireWire for mLAN or other music tasks, go for a Pro, or hit Apple Refurb for a previous model. FireWire is a thing of the past with this model. For what I'm using it for, the two USB ports are good.

    Fourth, its noticably thinner than the MacBook it replaced. Its not thin enough to slide into an envelope, but its definitely able to be slipped in a briefcase. Its definitely a nice student notebook for sling through classes.

    Fifth, I personally have not noticed any significant changes to the screen between the previous generation, but I'm glad Apple went this route, because LEDs supposedly have a much longer life than the CCFL backlights.

    Those are my first impressions for now, while I blank the disk on it. Overall, for what I need it for (slinging it around campus) it should do the job well.

  17. Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard by p0tat03 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't buy it either. Has Apple seen an HDMI port? It's downright tiny AND carries audio data (would work great if you want to put a movie on your TV!)... DisplayPort might be the new hotness, but HDMI is well-established, with lots of hardware and software support, and is small enough that Apple really wouldn't miss the room.

  18. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by MojoStan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

    Way better than the white plastic MacBook, which looks like a tacky toy IMO. OTOH, I think the black plastic looks pretty good.

    I must be the only one who thinks Apple's white plastic products (iBook, iPod, iMac, MacBook) look lame. I like Apple's current move away from white plastic and toward uncolored (MacBook, iMac) and colored (iPod nano) aluminum.

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  19. Re:Pre-loaded with iMovie, but no DV camera interf by pizzach · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope. Steve figures if you can afford a camera with a firewire port you will spring for the MBP. You might piss and moan but in the end you will pull out the credit card. It's all about the money.

    I think it's a general sign of Firewire disappearing from general consumer products. The first major sign that I noticed was the lack of easy backwards compatibility between Firewire 800 and Firewire 400. Now the port is disappearing from Apple computers too.

    I wonder if Target Disk mode and such will be implemented for USB in Mac OS X? External hard drives were nice with Firewire because of how it in didn't burden the cpu like USB. But as with SCSI/ATA, chips are invented that offload the work from the CPU (sometimes diverging from the technology's spec to do so).

    Meh.

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  20. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by MojoStan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The latch is locked when the kensington cable is in. I don't remember where I read this, but I'm 100% positive.

    Just to make other readers 100% HIV positive, here's one place I read this: "Hands on with the Macbook/Pro's removable hard drive".

    From TA:

    • "First, the battery cover is now removed with a latch instead of the old rotational lock that required a coin to turn. Secondly, the Kensington lock port, when activated, will also lock this latch and keep anyone from stealing your battery, and more importantly your removable hard drive."

    I'm surprised anyone would complain about an easy-to-replace hard drive on a Mac. Some current and previous model Macs make it a pain in the arse to replace the hard drive.

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  21. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by quadrox · · Score: 2

    You are NOT alone. I have hated these white plastic toy things they produced forever. Nobody ever agreed with me before though.

    Personally I think the new look is an improvement, at the very least over the white ones, as you said.

  22. Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    HDMI only supports resolutions up to 1920x1200. Apple's 30" displays use greater than this.

  23. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by NateTech · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, you're sane. Glad to see there's another REAL Conservative still hiding out there, getting more and more frustrated at the ass-hats who are spending billions on credit cards to buy shit they can't afford... ruining the country.

    Enjoy the fruits of your labor -- with your new MacBooks. I'm working on saving up for something else myself, but have the budget to buy if the wife's old iBook or my Black MacBook (original model) croak... they're not showing any signs of doing so, but it's almost "time" for a new MacBook for one of us...

    Keep up the good fight telling people that no... they DO NOT *DESERVE* loans. They *DESERVE* to learn to save for things and buy them WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD THEM. Great job, sir.

    All the best (that you can afford...!)...

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