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Hands-On With the New MacBooks

Paige Philuer writes "Macworld has a hands-on article examining the new MacBook and MacBook Pro — not a quickie look from Tuesday's event, but a lengthy, in-depth look with laptops they actually have in their offices. Some interesting observations: No FireWire on the MacBook; the TrackPad doesn't feel like you're running your finger across a pane of glass, though that's what it is; and switching between graphics cards in the MacBook Pro requires you to log out." Reader Bourbon contributes three links at CNET related to the new models, too: a positive written review (giving a score of 8/10 to the new MacBook), a video review, and a behind-the-scenes look at how the new models are machined.

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  1. Am I the only one who thinks by dancingmad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a huge Mac fan (I'm typing this on an older MacBook Pro), but man, I really think these new laptops are ugly as sin. I really prefer the look of previous model MacBooks and MacBook Pros, though when the Air came out it was probably inevitable that the other laptops would follow its lead.

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  2. Brightness by victim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great! The displays are bright.
    How about dim? Can they be dim too? My 24" iMac is painfully bright to use in a dark room at its lowest backlight setting. Some people resort to software that puts a neutral gray, transparent window over the whole screen just to keep the pain down at the expense of color resolution. I keep sunglasses by the computer so I can see to work on late night emergency calls while my eyes adapt to the light.

    1. Re:Brightness by von_rick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bright displays might be a necessity, given the glossy screens. Though I'm not quite sure if bright back light can offset reflection of bright objects.

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    2. Re:Brightness by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The LED backlights seem to dim better than the old fluorescent ones did. My not-quite-latest-generation-now MBP with LED backlight works just fine in a dark room and goes nice and bright for a non-dark room.

    3. Re:Brightness by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a real solution but holding control option command and 8 inverts the color making the screen a negative. Works well at night when you want to keep the light level down.

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  3. Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Lenovo laptops running Vista with two graphics cards can switch completely on the fly. It's a bit disappointing that Apple, with full control over everything, couldn't manage the same. See http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=154.

    1. Re:Graphics switching disappointing beside Lenovo by niteice · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple doesn't use X. They probably didn't have time to fix WindowServer before launch, but I'd imagine that it will be fixed for Snow Leopard.

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  4. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by aliquis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The black border isn't that great imho, but it's ok. Same for keys I guess.

    But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

  5. Firewire by bladx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wish the low end still had Firewire, though.
    Even if you get the new display that can fit along with the new MacBooks... it has three USB ports in the back yet no Firewire!

    I wonder if it's a power issue...

  6. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe they designed it for people who want to cross the US border a lot?

  7. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by catch23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One doesn't only replace the hard drive due to failure. The last time I replaced my laptop hard drive was when I discovered I needed more room and didn't want to carry around another drive. I'm guessing most people upgrade their laptop drives for this reason.

  8. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're not the only one. I personally think these look pretty tacky, especially compared the sleek/slick, classy look of the previous model MBP.

    In two years these will look like even uglier, like that K-car your stuffy old man used to drive. Of course by then all the others notebook manufacturers will have copied the design and nobody will notice that they all look cheesy.

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  9. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by Jophiel04 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should take a gander at the user manual for the new MacBooks, as the RAM is user replaceable. http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_13inch_Aluminum_Late2008.pdf As for your rant about the hard drive, this is a great move.

    Do you realize what the most likely component on any given laptop to fail is? Setting aside occasional bad crops of GPUs, logic boards, the most likely component in a laptop to fail is the hard drive. Making replacing that simpler and easier is a great idea. In addition, apple charges ridiculous prices on their upgrades, so making yet another component in the machine readily user replaceable is both technically useful and empowers the consumers to make more relevant choices for themselves.

  10. MacBook Hardware by SLOviper · · Score: 5, Informative

    More information at ifixit.com with complete tear-aparts as usual:
    MacBook: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Unibody
    Pro: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac/MacBook-Pro-Unibody

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  11. Re:Two separate NVIDIA GPUs? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm frankly rather surprised at the limitations on switching. Sony has been pushing the dual GPU stuff on their higher end laptops for a while, and if Sony, who basically shoves other people's hardware and software into pretty boxes, can get an Nvidia part to work properly on a Microsoft OS(Vista no less), than I would have expected Apple to have it together on their own OS.

    I assume it'll come sooner or later.

  12. Just bought the 15" MacBook by mlts · · Score: 3, Informative

    My quick comments while I'm erasing the hard disk and reinstalling it: (I always erase the HDD on all new machines to check for any SMART errors, and to know that the install is clean)

    First, the package it comes in is 20% smaller than the black MacBook's tote box. Styrofoam is a thing of the past, replacing it is plastic. Its easy to pull out the MacBook and peel off the plastic on it, easy to yank out the power adapter, but you have to use a thin piece of cardboard to pull the OS media box out as it is set flush, with no fingertip grips to make it easier. This is a very minor thing, though.

    Second, the MacOS CDs are not 10.5.0 as with the black MacBook. You get 10.5.5, and a DVD with the applications.

    Third, like every article says, if you need FireWire for mLAN or other music tasks, go for a Pro, or hit Apple Refurb for a previous model. FireWire is a thing of the past with this model. For what I'm using it for, the two USB ports are good.

    Fourth, its noticably thinner than the MacBook it replaced. Its not thin enough to slide into an envelope, but its definitely able to be slipped in a briefcase. Its definitely a nice student notebook for sling through classes.

    Fifth, I personally have not noticed any significant changes to the screen between the previous generation, but I'm glad Apple went this route, because LEDs supposedly have a much longer life than the CCFL backlights.

    Those are my first impressions for now, while I blank the disk on it. Overall, for what I need it for (slinging it around campus) it should do the job well.

  13. Re:Mini DisplayPort is not a standard by p0tat03 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't buy it either. Has Apple seen an HDMI port? It's downright tiny AND carries audio data (would work great if you want to put a movie on your TV!)... DisplayPort might be the new hotness, but HDMI is well-established, with lots of hardware and software support, and is small enough that Apple really wouldn't miss the room.

  14. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by MojoStan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But new macbook vs old one? Definitly. Way better than plastic.

    Way better than the white plastic MacBook, which looks like a tacky toy IMO. OTOH, I think the black plastic looks pretty good.

    I must be the only one who thinks Apple's white plastic products (iBook, iPod, iMac, MacBook) look lame. I like Apple's current move away from white plastic and toward uncolored (MacBook, iMac) and colored (iPod nano) aluminum.

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  15. Re:Who cares about the hard drive by MojoStan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The latch is locked when the kensington cable is in. I don't remember where I read this, but I'm 100% positive.

    Just to make other readers 100% HIV positive, here's one place I read this: "Hands on with the Macbook/Pro's removable hard drive".

    From TA:

    • "First, the battery cover is now removed with a latch instead of the old rotational lock that required a coin to turn. Secondly, the Kensington lock port, when activated, will also lock this latch and keep anyone from stealing your battery, and more importantly your removable hard drive."

    I'm surprised anyone would complain about an easy-to-replace hard drive on a Mac. Some current and previous model Macs make it a pain in the arse to replace the hard drive.

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  16. Re:Am I the only one who thinks by NateTech · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, you're sane. Glad to see there's another REAL Conservative still hiding out there, getting more and more frustrated at the ass-hats who are spending billions on credit cards to buy shit they can't afford... ruining the country.

    Enjoy the fruits of your labor -- with your new MacBooks. I'm working on saving up for something else myself, but have the budget to buy if the wife's old iBook or my Black MacBook (original model) croak... they're not showing any signs of doing so, but it's almost "time" for a new MacBook for one of us...

    Keep up the good fight telling people that no... they DO NOT *DESERVE* loans. They *DESERVE* to learn to save for things and buy them WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD THEM. Great job, sir.

    All the best (that you can afford...!)...

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