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XKCD Invited To New Yorker "Cartoon-Off"

UnknowingFool writes "Farley Katz, who draws for New Yorker magazine, ran into xkcd.com's Randall Munroe in a grocery store. He challenged Munroe to a cartoon-off — each cartoonist to produce drawings about the Internet as envisioned by the elderly, String Theory, 1999, and one's favorite animal eating one's favorite food. In the ensuing short interview, Munroe describes XKCD as 'a webcomic about stick figures who do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical.'"

231 comments

  1. Frosty Piss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I sucked CmdrTaco's 2 inch penis for a nickel last night!

    1. Re:Frosty Piss... by Sebilrazen · · Score: 4, Funny

      I maintain that CmdrTaco overpaid.

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    2. Re:Frosty Piss... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Ha! CmdrTaco sends me $200 every month for reading Slashdot, and I still think that I pay him too much.

    3. Re:Frosty Piss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dzaaaxz

  2. And the winner is... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Funny

    hyperbondage

    1. Re:And the winner is... by ComaVN · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Did anyone else habitually hover over the pic to see the alt text?

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    2. Re:And the winner is... by g0es · · Score: 1

      hyperbondage

      Was funny, Although i did enjoy the Cow taking a bite out of it's own hoof, though I doubt the cow is is favorite animal.

    3. Re:And the winner is... by jchernia · · Score: 1

      Agreed - Munroe wins 2 to 1 with 1 tie. The cow gnawing on itself was pretty funny (that was Katz) and the skateboard was lame. 1999 was pretty dull for both. With the other 2 it wasn't even close.

    4. Re:And the winner is... by Aaron5367 · · Score: 1

      That would imply that I RTFA.

    5. Re:And the winner is... by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Nah.

      Most of us have installed at least one Greasemonkey script for XKCD.

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    6. Re:And the winner is... by rgo · · Score: 4, Informative

      -20 It has nothing, I hate you, I even checked the source code.

    7. Re:And the winner is... by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      I loved the "pulled a Palin" move.

    8. Re:And the winner is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such has been done to death in graph theory. There are dominating sets, domination numbers and bondage numbers and who knows what else. Sometimes I blush just googling for these terms.

    9. Re:And the winner is... by bendodge · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think we all did.

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    10. Re:And the winner is... by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, I right clicked it and selected properties. I run firefox.

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    11. Re:And the winner is... by doti · · Score: 1

      cool.

      does it work within google reader too?

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    12. Re:And the winner is... by u38cg · · Score: 1

      I have good news for ya. Firefox 3 is out. It has crunchy goodness.

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    13. Re:And the winner is... by hitmark · · Score: 1

      there is also a extension to fix the issue for 2.x users...

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    14. Re:And the winner is... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Umm, what year are you in? Modern browsers display the contents of the title element on hover, and the contents of the alt element if the image is unavailable. Since, like, 1999 or so. I think the last browser I used that displayed the alt attribute on hover was Navigator 4.08.

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    15. Re:And the winner is... by minimart · · Score: 1

      yep! I do it all the time!

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    16. Re:And the winner is... by doti · · Score: 1

      No, it does not.

      I just tried it.

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    17. Re:And the winner is... by minimart · · Score: 1

      Mouseover works on my Google Reader.. hmm. Maybe its a browser issue.

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    18. Re:And the winner is... by doti · · Score: 1

      Err.. I was talking about the greasemonkey script, that renders the alt text as real text, below the image.

      The tooltip thing always worked for me.

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    19. Re:And the winner is... by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was the cincher for me... Munroe is brilliant.

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  3. FINISH HIM by netdur · · Score: 1

    I would love to see fatality

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  4. Munroe Wins by bshell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Munroe was the clear winner. 1999 *BC* was just dumb, as were most of Katz's others. The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

    1. Re:Munroe Wins by Daimanta · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Munroe was the clear winner. 1999 *BC* was just dumb, as were most of Katz's others. The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality."

      Katz was the clear winner. favourite food/animal did not deliver, as did most of Munroe's others. The only lame one of Katz was the 1999 BC. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

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    2. Re:Munroe Wins by Feynman · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Katz was the clear winner. favourite food/animal did not deliver, as did most of Munroe's others. The only lame one of Katz was the 1999 BC. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality."

      I agree completely!

      ("Postin' 'me too' like some brain-dead AOLer")

    3. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Munroe was the clear winner. 1999 *BC* was just dumb, as were most of Katz's others. The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

      Speak for your self, I thought the pulled-a-Palin jab was plain hilarious.

    4. Re:Munroe Wins by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      (-1 " as useless as .jpegs to Hellen Keller.")

    5. Re:Munroe Wins by orkybash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Excuse me, please tell me how "Scientist + alchohol = string theory" is funnier than "hyperbondage." Maybe if it had been a pot joke instead...

    6. Re:Munroe Wins by orkybash · · Score: 2, Informative
    7. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like Katz also pulled a Palin.

    8. Re:Munroe Wins by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty simple......show both comics to 10 random people on the street......which do you think will get the most laughs?

      They are both funny, the only difference is the target audience. We happen to be the target audience of xkcd, and that is why Munroe is famous on slashdot and Katz is a cartoonist for the New Yorker.

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    9. Re:Munroe Wins by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

      Speak for your self, I thought the pulled-a-Palin jab was plain hilarious.

      Apparently that one was over most other's heads. I got it too.

      Another drop in replacement for Palin could have been Fred Thompson. He also has the unique gift of assembling a sentence of completely random works. "We are here for fryingpan lymptopizzle starsearch dwiz pan fried. And so my gizzle friends pfffft bleagh."

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    10. Re:Munroe Wins by maxume · · Score: 1

      Ack!

      Thbbbt!

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    11. Re:Munroe Wins by alexhard · · Score: 1

      *woooooooooosh*

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    12. Re:Munroe Wins by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      nuh uhhhh.... Katz wins... Munroe's were stupid.

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    13. Re:Munroe Wins by Manuel+M · · Score: 1

      Katz was the clear winner. favourite food/animal did not deliver, as did most of Munroe's others. The only lame one of Katz was the 1999 BC. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

      The others did deliver. Perhaps you were not at home to get them.

    14. Re:Munroe Wins by jslarve · · Score: 1

      I think xkcd is great. I get probably 25% of his jokes, but have a great appreciation for his talent.

    15. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it obvious that Katz is an old earth creationist? In 1999 BC the dinosaurs would obviously have been present before mankind hunted them to extinction - allowing their fossils to be found nowadays.

    16. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you please provide the links? thank you.

    17. Re:Munroe Wins by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

      I think it's excusable, as the topic was obviously a ringer. Katz "cheated" when he chose that because he clearly already had the cartoon in his head. When you look at the rest of the topics, it's pretty obvious. That's the only one with any shred of humor in it.

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    18. Re:Munroe Wins by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Speak for your self, I thought the pulled-a-Palin jab was plain hilarious.

      Apparently that one was over most other's heads.

      I did experience a brief brainfart when I thought it was a reference to Monty Python...

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    19. Re:Munroe Wins by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty simple......show both comics to 10 random people on the street......which do you think will get the most laughs?

      FAIL! You didn't specify which street. I call Infinite Loop, Cupertino.

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    20. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought 1999 BC was the funniest. Of course, there is a huge class of people that would take offense to it.

      That goes to show that different people react to humor in different ways based on who they are.

    21. Re:Munroe Wins by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's the New Yorker, they expect a certain amount of political commentary. Katz got it in with the Creationism reference in 1999 (hence the underlining) and Munroe was making a Palin reference. Sorry. Not funny now that I've explained it.

      Munroe won in my book, and not bad when he's playing an away-game. I did consider a detailed description of exactly why he wins with references and footnotes and sign it "Summer Glau", but I'm gambling that someone else will go to the effort for a +5 Funny :)

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    22. Re:Munroe Wins by eljo123 · · Score: 1

      "The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Musicians_of_Bremen

    23. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on when you go.

      A month ago, 5/10 would have been members of the local carpenter's union, protesting that Apple had a subcontractor on a construction site with non-union labor.

      If you go by at 5:30 in the evening, I think the cleaning staff might very well go with Katz.

      Other times... yeah, you're probably good.

    24. Re:Munroe Wins by brianez21 · · Score: 1

      It's all about the Pentiums, baby!

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    25. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, every single one of these was LAME, from both Monroe and Katz.

      Which just goes to show, you should NEVER pick the topic *before* drawing the comic. The comic has to come to you as a whole with the joke already fleshed out, in order to be funny!

      And neither one of them can draw worth a liger's ass. :-P

    26. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll go a month ago. Oh wait...

    27. Re:Munroe Wins by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      In 1999 BC the dinosaurs would obviously have been present

      Am I the only one who read that as "dinosaurs would obviously have been president ?

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    28. Re:Munroe Wins by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Well I guess Munroe is a lot more used to a 1 frame cartoon format, whereas Katz usually does 3 frames. Also Katz' humor is about the topic, he doesn't just choose some stupid topic and make it funny.

      Conclusion: Katz couldn't do comics for a magazine, now lets see Munroe write a comic that'll only make a computer science student laugh.

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    29. Re:Munroe Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pervert. :D

    30. Re:Munroe Wins by cultofmetatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      learn or at least become familiar with lisp, game theory and take physics 101 (specifically vector diagrams), program in python and c, look at perl, watch all of starwars, and you will understand 100% of it... or go insane

    31. Re:Munroe Wins by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You also need to understand the social zeitgeist, live on the internet and have experience of good and bad sexual relationships.

      All in all, a fun life ;)

    32. Re:Munroe Wins by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll go a month ago. Oh wait...

      You want "Closed timelike curve" - its about 3 blocks south of "infinite loop."

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    33. Re:Munroe Wins by cultofmetatron · · Score: 1

      You also need to understand the social zeitgeist, live on the internet and have -->experience of good and bad sexual relationships.

      All in all, a fun life ;)

      I think someone's asking a bit much of the /. crowd aren't we :P

    34. Re:Munroe Wins by drsquare · · Score: 1

      They are both funny, the only difference is the target audience. We happen to be the target audience of xkcd, and that is why Munroe is famous on slashdot and Katz is a cartoonist for the New Yorker.

      Personally I think they're both pretty awful and unfunny.

      Same goes for Munroe/Katz.

    35. Re:Munroe Wins by fatphil · · Score: 1

      With ya'. 3-1, IMHO. 1999 was the only Monroe win for me.

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    36. Re:Munroe Wins by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      You've been reading too much Irregular Webcomic again?

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    37. Re:Munroe Wins by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      Which just goes to show, you should NEVER pick the topic *before* drawing the comic.

      So you should pick the topic *after* drawing the comic?

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    38. Re:Munroe Wins by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Huh? Katz were all pathetic primary school-yard jokes except the internet which wasn't funny anyway. Munroe's worst was 1999 - a bit bland.

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    39. Re:Munroe Wins by Limburgher · · Score: 1

      I think the Palin jab was on target, specifically because in making it, he failed to answer the question. ;)

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  5. Three-fourths Autobiographical? by causality · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Munroe describes XKCD as 'a webcomic about stick figures who do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical.'"

    So does that mean Munroe does math, plays with staple guns, and messes around on the Internet?

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    1. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by riceboy50 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thank you Capt. Obvious! It's not as funny if you have to call attention to the joke.

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    2. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by causality · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thank you Capt. Obvious! It's not as funny if you have to call attention to the joke.

      I appreciate that. Being merely Sergeant Obvious was really getting old. Nothing but work, work, work.

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    3. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by skolima · · Score: 1

      mis-moderated, sorry

    4. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Eternauta3k · · Score: 3, Funny

      I understand it's a joke, but it seems out of place. The kind of geekyness portrayed in xkcd and its forums isn't the stereotypical slashdot, basement-dwelling kind.

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    5. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Funny

      AHAHAAHA LOL NOEW I GETTIT!!!!

      I hope you get eaten by a Grue, repeatedly.

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    6. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by ciaohound · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, I'm thinking he's done with the staple guns, now that all the XKCD fangirls are lining up to blow him.

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    7. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Captain Cliche here. Can I have my insult back?

    8. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind if I tag along?

      Much obliged,

      Kommandant Karmabandwagon

    9. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by theeddie55 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it means that Munroe is actually a stick figure!

    10. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      No, it means he is a stick figure, you insensitive clod!

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    11. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of which, I note that-

      Sincerely,

      Admiral Awfukit

    12. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      This is Cory Doctorow. I just want my cape back.

    13. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Lets look at this scientifically for a second.

      1) do math
      2) play with staple guns
      3) mess around on the Internet
      4) have lots of sex

      I think it's safe to say that, given that this is a webcomic, 3 is true. And given the content of some of the strips, 1 can be safely assumed as well. So that just leaves us with 2 and 4.

      Now, while it could be said that, given the fact that staple guns feature prominently in some of the strips (much like math), you don't really need a solid understanding of staple gun mechanics to make those kinds of jokes (unlike the math jokes. In fact, for the staple gun jokes it might help if you didn't ;). And as someone else pointed out, with XKCD's popularity, there have got to be dozens of fangirls lining up around the block to have sex with the dude. So clearly, the item that should be removed is the staple guns.

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    14. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by ari_j · · Score: 1

      One time, I demoted a guy to Latrine Cleaner's Mate Second Class Obvious. He was inept as an officer.

    15. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Captain "1980 called and wants it joke back", ready for action.

    16. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Major Pain in the Ass here, and no you can't have that back.

    17. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice comeback, Lieutenant douche-bag. Now, BACK TO WORK.

    18. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      FYI thats funny because we've seen the fan girls.

    19. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You'd think so, but the odd one out is actually the staple guns. If you look at frames 2 and 3 of the staple gun comic, you can clearly see that the character's technique is all wrong. In frame 2 the staple would not penetrate through the debian disc into the screen, and he doesn't have the leverage in frame 3 to use the staple gun at all. Munroe is obviously making it up with no real experience.

    20. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than VP Palin in the ass. Or is it?

    21. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you might want to look up the minimal mathematical requirements for being able to define a line...

    22. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Captain Hammer here, hair blowing in the breeze.

  6. xkcd wins by FlashBuster3000 · · Score: 0

    Munroe wins hands down, his comics have humour, are original and many of them even contain some strange deeper meaning.
    Katz' comics are.. well.. not even funny.

    1. Re:xkcd wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, you know what it's like living with someone who just loves New Yorker cartoons. It's just constantly, "Hey honey! Look at this one."

      Me: *scratching my head* "I don't get it."

      My wife then has to explain to me why it's funny. I will find them humorous at best, but not funny. It works both ways, though. She can't understand why Mike Meyers movies are funny.

    2. Re:xkcd wins by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 1

      True, but none of the new yorker's comments are *ever* funny. Katz gets some credit for knowing his audience. That in mind, I thought Munroe's last comic (without the text blurb) belonged in the New Yorker more than any of the other submissions. I call a draw. (Though I'd rather, and do read XKCD 99.99999% more than TNY).

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    3. Re:xkcd wins by maxume · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of XKCD, even if you only accidentally looked at part of one letter on a cover of some edition of the New Yorker. Maybe somebody sent you a single pixel from a comic that ran in the New Yorker?

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    4. Re:xkcd wins by Skye16 · · Score: 1

      And I've rued that day ever since.

    5. Re:xkcd wins by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      ...She can't understand why Mike Meyers movies are funny.

      I know, I mean what's not hilarious about a masked man that escapes from a sanitarium killing a bunch of hapless teenagers?

      Oh, that Mike Meyers... I agree with her.

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    6. Re:xkcd wins by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      Katz would do better if he didn't have to explain his jokes in captions or devote so much setup time to an obvious statement.

      Breakdown:

      1. He flat out loses on the Venn diagram of the Internet. It's far too simple and straightforward. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Munroe's wit and attention to detail, but I don't think I'd find Katz's drawing funny before I started reading xkcd either.

      Munroe gets bonus points on this one for referring to the New Yorker in his answer.

      2. No comment.

      3. First of all, it would have been more acceptable to leave the "B.C." unemphasized and thus more interesting, despite the fact that it still raises the question of whether he's a young-Earth creationist. Second, it would have actually been somewhat creative if he left it assumed to be A.D., so it could at least pretend to be a commentary of sorts on our view of the recent past.

      4. This was actually funny. All it needs is a way of introducing the favorite animal/food idea into the comic without actually making it suck. But that would be difficult, so it'd probably be better to leave it as is with the criteria/topic introduced ahead of time. Katz is one-for-four against Munroe.

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  7. Meh... by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    Meh, neither one of them really made me laugh, though the hyperbondage one made me giggle a little.

    It's hard to spontaneously be funny about something specific at any given time. Well, unless you're Robin Williams, in which case it's easy. But you get my point. I don't think that improvisation is either one of their strong suit, but given some time to let something come to them, and the freedom to draw about whatever neurons happen to be firing in their brain at the time... That's when the funny happens. (As witnessed by the copies of xkcd hanging on my cube wall, to the delightful reaction of people walking by, staring for a few seconds, and saying, "huh?")

    Improvisational comedy can be hilarious. Improvisational comic-drawing, not so much, at least by these artists.

    1. Re:Meh... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I would say that Robin Williams is spontaneously odd, but I wouldn't say he is funny.

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    2. Re:Meh... by vistic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Agreed. I actually really like Robin Williams a lot... but only when he's acting in dramatic roles. He was great in One Hour Photo, for example. He really is able to make me feel depressed or sad quite well.

      Whenever he tries to be funny, I really think he's trying too hard, and I actually feel sorry for him. ...!

      Come to think of it... he's really good at making me feel depressed or sad no matter what he's trying to do.

    3. Re:Meh... by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 1

      agreed, he's the best in world relating to garp and good will hunting for instance.

  8. One was good... by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

    The one drawing showing the internet as envisioned by the elderly was hilarious.

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    1. Re:One was good... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      There were two drawings showing the internet as envisioned by the elderly.

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    2. Re:One was good... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. That's the one. It was hilarious!

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    3. Re:One was good... by genik76 · · Score: 1

      This conversation does not sound real. I think each of you is just making this stuff up just to get some mod points, like in some kind of choreographed dance.

    4. Re:One was good... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Careful what you call thinking.

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  9. Slashdot Reference by kingbilly · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Check out today's comic on xkcd. There is a slashdot reference on the mouseover.

    1. Re:Slashdot Reference by the-amazing-blob · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not a Slashdot reference, it's a South Park reference.

    2. Re:Slashdot Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you actually think that referred to Slashdot? You don't get out much, do you?

    3. Re:Slashdot Reference by vsage3 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it was a South Park reference before it was a /. reference.

    4. Re:Slashdot Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like an Underpants Gnomes reference :P

    5. Re:Slashdot Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... no... it's a South Park reference. Never hear of the Underpants Gnomes?

    6. Re:Slashdot Reference by lrbays · · Score: 1

      Not only that, it's yesterday's comic, not today's.
      GP, this is for you.

    7. Re:Slashdot Reference by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      You mean yesterday's comic.

    8. Re:Slashdot Reference by rk · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. Yes the list with "???, Profit!" certainly originated with South Park, but Slashdot is (one of) the first place(s) where it developed into an internet meme with any sort of list.

      I'd say it's both, but more directly a /. reference.

    9. Re:Slashdot Reference by maxume · · Score: 1

      Much in the same way, a young Natalie Portman first gained notoriety on /.

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    10. Re:Slashdot Reference by dotancohen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's not a Slashdot reference, it's a South Park reference.

      It's not a South Park reference, it's a Mozilla reference:
      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434180

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    11. Re:Slashdot Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    12. Re:Slashdot Reference by shermo · · Score: 1

      I always thought it was a Terry Pratchet reference

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    13. Re:Slashdot Reference by Somegeek · · Score: 1

      Parent post was just a day early...

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  10. O__O by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know what's scarier, that Katz's cow drawing has too many nipples - or that I noticed the discrepancy...

    1. Re:O__O by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 4, Funny

      All cows have too many nipples, based on my assumption that two nipples is the ideal number. :)

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    2. Re:O__O by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Funny

      His cow is part sow (BTW they are teats).

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    3. Re:O__O by maxume · · Score: 1

      Giving deep consideration to the aesthetics of cow nipples is not the ideal number.

      That said, I would never even talk to someone if I knew they had a third nipple.

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    4. Re:O__O by Javarrito · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know what's scarier, that Katz's cow drawing has too many nipples - or that I noticed the discrepancy...

      How about the fact that that mistake could ruin his political career (in Vermont, at least).

      During the televised debate, Tuttle asked a series of humorous local knowledge questions rather than political questions. McMullen was unable to correctly pronounce the names of several Vermont towns, or correctly answer Fred's question "How many teats a Holstein got?," answering "Six", instead of the correct "Four". In the primary, Tuttle defeated McMullen by ten percentage points. Winning the primary with 55 percent of the vote, Tuttle promptly endorsed the incumbent Democrat, Patrick Leahy.

    5. Re:O__O by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In his defense, I have seen cows with 6 teats before. They were small and non functioning, but it had them.

      But that's what comes from working on a dairy farm. You're bound to end up seeing freak teats eventually.

    6. Re:O__O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say the same thing about having sex with lots of prostitutes.

    7. Re:O__O by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why not? Or do you just never talk to anyone anyway?

    8. Re:O__O by maxume · · Score: 1

      It was self referential. Giving deep consideration to the aesthetics of human nipples is also pretty superficial.

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    9. Re:O__O by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Freak Teats" is a phrase I think I can go a long time without encountering again...

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  11. This is sad.... by zappepcs · · Score: 0

    Growing popularity and infamy... xkcd has been my secret... when I need a laugh, all I have to do is push that 'random' button and life is transformed to the surreal for a few seconds. It's been like a personal 'hyperspace' button. Now, just another meme. sigh

    1. Re:This is sad.... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you factor something's popularity into its worth, you're doing it wrong.

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    2. Re:This is sad.... by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bury a turd somewhere. Never tell anyone. The memory will always be yours alone.

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    3. Re:This is sad.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, you were a fan before XKCD was cool?

    4. Re:This is sad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a unique snowflake!

    5. Re:This is sad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you factor something's popularity into its worth, you're doing it wrong.

      Unless you're measuring the worth of a social networking site, of course.

    6. Re:This is sad.... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Bury a turd somewhere. Never tell anyone. The memory will always be yours alone.

      That sounds too much like a variant of the infamous "library restroom" copy-paste troll...

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    7. Re:This is sad.... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I made sure to put something in about never telling anyone.

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    8. Re:This is sad.... by orkybash · · Score: 1

      You mean, when it was still underground?

    9. Re:This is sad.... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      No, they're always annoying regardless of their user base.

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    10. Re:This is sad.... by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      If you factor something's popularity into its worth, you're doing it wrong.

      XKCD is reaching the point where I can call the reference before it's made on slashdot. The jokes are original and funny and worth reading a few time, as the OP pointed out. However, once it hits the point where XKCD is right now, where there's a reference on nearly every comment page, the jokes get old really fast. I can't read that Summer Glau comic without thinking about how many people have used it in obviously bad ways.

      Basically, being popular isn't bad per se, but the consequences of that popularity are.

  12. Oh I do hope... by ahoehn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I sincerely hope the expression "Pulled a Palin" becomes part of the vernacular.

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    1. Re:Oh I do hope... by Slacksoft · · Score: 1

      I hope not. I already hear people saying they 'baracked it' when hacking something together, and I have an overwhelming suspicion they're racists.

    2. Re:Oh I do hope... by Slacksoft · · Score: 1

      Hey now. I'm not a racist, and my post was a joke. I personally choose to hate people for who they are, not what color they are. Also someone should have told the black hole guy about super-massive black holes. That'd have been pretty funny, and we did learn a great lesson from that whole ordeal is that there is in fact a white-hole. Anyway, step back, I voted republican. We cool now?

    3. Re:Oh I do hope... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyway, step back, I voted republican. We cool now?

      Wait a second. I'm confused. So are you saying that you are racist?!?




      (relax, it's a joke)

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    4. Re:Oh I do hope... by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I personally choose to hate people for who they are, not what color they are.

      How noble of you....

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    5. Re:Oh I do hope... by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Hey now. I'm not a racist,

      That's what's so insane about this.

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    6. Re:Oh I do hope... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Anyway, step back, I voted republican.

      I don't know this "Republican" guy. Does he run for some minor party?

      I'm from Europe, I don't really know that much about the finer points of American politics.

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    7. Re:Oh I do hope... by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

      That'd have been pretty funny, and we did learn a great lesson from that whole ordeal is that there is in fact a white-hole.

      I don't get why they're called white holes. They're usually pink.

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    8. Re:Oh I do hope... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      I might potentially be tempted to vote for Palin, if she weren't running on the same ticket as John McCain...

      I *would* have voted for Quayle, *despite* the fact that he was running on the same ticket with George Bush, but I wasn't of legal voting age yet at the time. I wanted to vote for Quayle, though. I still would, if there were any possibility he could get a major-party nomination. Anybody whose enemies can't come up with any worse dirt than "he misspelled potato once and therefore must be stupid" is someone I wouldn't mind having in office, seriously.

      I've got issues with McCain, though. There's something very much not right about a man who claims to be a conservative and a Republican but has McCain's voting record. That's, in a word, dishonest. Smells like rotten politics.

      Then again, the other choice is Obama, who is pretty obviously dedicated to telling people whatever he thinks they want to hear, and that too is a strong sign of politics gone wrong.

      *sigh*. The best hope is that the House and Senate will wind up with opposite-party majorities (i.e., one party controls the House majority and the other party gets the Senate majority). Then at least they won't do too much harm for the next couple of years.

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    9. Re:Oh I do hope... by DrinkDr.Pepper · · Score: 1

      Anyway, step back, I voted republican. We cool now? Wait a second. I'm confused. So are you saying that you are racist?!? (relax, it's a joke)

      He's not racist. There are Christians of all colors.

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  13. Katz vs Munroe? by fishinatree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While XKCD is my favorite webcomic that I've been following for quite a long time, I have to admit that Munroe's humor lies more in his ability to crack inside jokes with the nerd in all of us. Katz tries to appeal to the more general public (it's his job at the New Yorker). I think Munroe is funnier, especially here, but his esoteric humor might lose some votes.

    1. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Humor needs to be esoteric. There needs to be a pause between seeing the joke and getting the joke.

      Katz's work is painfully obvious and looks like something out of a "cartooning 101" workshop. A drunk scientist? A cow biting itself? Those are hackneyed jokes!

      My understanding is that the new yorker has this reputation for cartoons so bad that the audience has learned to love their badness. Well, theyre still terrible to me.

    2. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Inside jokes are still funnier, IMHO. The best jokes are those that have the most surprising punchlines, or engage the maximum of brain activity (while still being decipherable). Personally, I think an unfamiliar academic context goes a long way toward supporting both of those concepts. Actually, a lot of my esoteric science knowledge originally came from researching jokes at the infamous http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/index.html and I remember a lot of those being hilarious well before I had proper context for wholly understanding them. And nowadays I find Dinosaur Comics brilliant, seemingly component to my utter unfamiliarity with the field of linguistics, which Ryan North frequently refers to.

      Admittedly, maybe that isn't true for everyone. But for me, anyway, the least funny humorists are always those that condescend or use humorous tropes that have already been done to death. I'd always rather have someone joking way over my head than at the level where I can figure out the punchline before I even hear it.

    3. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by fishinatree · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's just that esoteric humor can lose some people, which I think is why XKCD hasn't reached the level of popularity as, say Cyanide and Happiness. "New Yorker" humor isn't really humor at all. They're just comfort-cartoons, pictures that people expect to see in the New Yorker because they "belong" there, not because they're funny. I miss James Thurber...

    4. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the one single best joke Katz has made was the internet one - and that one happened to be a Venn diagram, a kind of joke I'd rather expect from Munroe.

      xkcd appeals to geeks because it's geeky. For the same reason hardcore gamers will probably find Penny Arcade more interesting than Dilbert - they have never worked in cubicle space but they do know that Megaman 9 is immensely nostalgic or that some Diablo fans are apparently color-allergic. It's all about the target demographics - and if your intended demograpic is "everyone" you can't really do better than "somewhat mildly amusing to most readers most of the time".

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    5. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say the cartoons are so bad people have learned to love their badness, it's just that each cartoon artist in the New Yorker has a "schtick", and over the artist's career that schtick becomes a genre in and of itself, and finally collapses on ironic post-modern self-parody.

      You can usually count on one or two cartoons per week to be actually funny (putting it at about the same level as another weekly NYC standard, SNL), and it's no coincidence that these tend to be the least like all of the other New Yorker cartoons.

    6. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so wrong about the New Yorker.

      This one is funny as is this one and even this one. And those are just the ones I remember in spite of seeing several that are funny each week.

    7. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by SmarkWoW · · Score: 1

      I agree. I've been reading xkcd for quite some time (since its comics were in the low 200s). About two weeks ago I went back and decided to read all 460+. This semester at my university I'm taking an astronomy class. The morning we went over Kepler's laws, I read all xkcd again. I found THIS comic and busted out laughing. I'd prolly read the comic a few times before, but never understood it.

    8. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately people that buy crap based on advertisements in the New Yorker need painfully obvious jokes to keep their interest.

    9. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      general public? Its the fucking New Yorker. the general public doesn't read the Fucking New Yorker.

    10. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by skeeto · · Score: 1

      Katz tries to appeal to the more general public

      Unfortunately, appealing to the general public is a lowest common denominator thing, and, in the end, it tends to create boring, worthless garbage like Garfield and Family Circus.

  14. Three-fourths? by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Funny

    do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical.

    I take it Monroe doesn't like staple guns.

  15. So in real life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in real life they just do math, play with staple guns and mess around on the Internet.

  16. MOAR LIKE by whiskey6 · · Score: 1

    hyperownage

  17. One New Yorker comic I didn't get by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the deal with the pig at the complaint department saying "I wish I were taller"?

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    1. Re:One New Yorker comic I didn't get by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      That was a Ziggy.

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    2. Re:One New Yorker comic I didn't get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Read this:

      http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.01.99/comics-9926.html

  18. Elderly comic by ed.mps · · Score: 1

    My first thought after seeing the Katz's comic about elderly and the internet was: "oh, did I click at Indexed bookmark accidentally?"

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    1. Re:Elderly comic by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I think that is exactly what he was going for, either that or GraphJam. I think he was trying to reach out to the XKCD-type audience.

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  19. Re:That's cartooning? by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize that xkcd has never been about the art, and its author has never claimed it was?

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  20. -1 Redundant by charlie763 · · Score: 1

    Not news. We already know xkcd is funny and the New Yorker isn't. Dinosaurs in 1999 B.C.? Is this guy some kind of unfunny creationist?

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    1. Re:-1 Redundant by nacturation · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not news. We already know xkcd is funny and the New Yorker isn't. Dinosaurs in 1999 B.C.? Is this guy some kind of unfunny creationist?

      What you completely missed is that it's a political jab at Palin. See this if you don't get it.

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  21. XKCD by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a huge XKCD fan, but out of these 8 strips, it might be a reach to call 2 funny. I think they both failed.

    What I'd have preferred instead of arbitrary subjects that intrinsically aren't funny, is for them to play off each other. One writes a comic of their choosing that fits within their comic idiom. The next plays directly off that comic trying to top if, within their idiom.

    The back and forth would likely be much better.

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  22. It's a tie. by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    The Internet, as envisioned by the elderly. KATZ
    String Theory. MUNROE
    1999. MUNROE
    Your favorite animal eating your favorite food. KATZ

    Katz cheated on 1999 and Munroe cheated on animal eating.

    Munroe's elderly comic makes no sense. Katz actually pulls an XKCD-like description with the Venn Diagrams.

    Finally, both string theory entries were funny (Katz more understandably so) but Munroe's entry was more original.

    Thus, a tie.

    Anyone who thinks different can suck my cock.

    1. Re:It's a tie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you entirely, but can I still suck your cock?

    2. Re:It's a tie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who thinks different can suck my cock.

      Well, that's one way to finally get someone to suck your cock. The other may be to move out of your parents basement.

    3. Re:It's a tie. by m.ducharme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Munroe's elderly comic makes GREAT sense, but you have to get the in-joke. Have you seen the comic captioned "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"? And if so, what magazine do you think it first appeared in? I thought it was the best one of all of them, with so many delicious levels of irony and meta-references.

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    4. Re:It's a tie. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Katz cheated on 1999 and Munroe cheated on animal eating.

      Are you kidding? Katz cheated on both of them. He clearly chose the "animal eating" topic to fit fit a cartoon he already had in his head. Really, the topic only lends itself to one marginally funny joke, and it's the one Katz had in mind.

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    5. Re:It's a tie. by __aailob1448 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nonsense. Why would anyone's favorite animal be a cow?

      In any case, how do you know who proposed each topic and where do you get off calling Katz a cheat? Where is your proof?

    6. Re:It's a tie. by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      Ok, you're right about this one. I guess Munroe wins after all.

      Suck it Katz!

    7. Re:It's a tie. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Katz used a GameShark to change which comics to draw. The fourth comic originally was supposed to be on animals and the early years of Bauhaus. Matz waited until Munroe had drawn his thing and than manipulated the address so the topic now was favourite foods. Clearly cheating.

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    8. Re:It's a tie. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Why would anyone's favorite animal be a cow?

      Exactly. He chose the topic to fit a joke he already had in his head. That's kinda like cheating.

      and where do you get off calling Katz a cheat? Where is your proof?

      "He [Katz] challenged Munroe to a cartoon-off â" each cartoonist to produce drawings about the Internet as envisioned by the elderly, String Theory, 1999, and one's favorite animal eating one's favorite food."

      This indicates that Katz issued the challenge and named the categories. Do you have evidence otherwise?

      "Cheating" is perhaps an exaggeration. I just don't think he chose such a bizarre topic as that completely at random.

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    9. Re:It's a tie. by rgo · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the Venn Diagrams comic, which could also work with christian fanatics and Fox News reporters.

      PS: Your sig made me spit my drink.

    10. Re:It's a tie. by laejoh · · Score: 0

      Yeah, don't have a cow, man!

    11. Re:It's a tie. by Kijori · · Score: 1

      Anyone who thinks different can suck my cock.

      Big mistake. This is Slashdot - everyone will disagree with you, but it'll be a lot worse for you than for them...

  23. Re:3/4th Autobiographical is about right by rk · · Score: 2, Funny

    We sincerely appreciate you translating that joke for us. None of us here, I'm certain, would've gotten it if it were not for your blinding insight.

    On behalf of the Slashdot community, thank you for sharing your wisdom and erudition with us.

  24. Re:That's cartooning? by hitchhacker · · Score: 1
    Out of curiosity, I just checked out 'Girl Genius Online'. Here's a transcript from yesterday's:

    NOW YOU'LL - UH...
    HA!
    AND HERE... I THOUGHT... YOU'D KEEP IT...
    HEY!
    INTERESTING?
    OH I CAN DO THAT.
    SMAK!

    I'm not sure that makes any more sense with all the fancy graphics and shaded colors. Maybe it makes more sense to 14 year olds... and yes, I know the Nagle Algorithm.

    -metric

  25. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It's disturbing that all you have to do to turn me on is draw a stick figure and put long hair on it.

    I wonder what the minimum figure is that could still accomplish this.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by maxume · · Score: 1

      OO?

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by MeanSquare · · Score: 2, Funny



      LOL! Oh come now maxune. You don't think XKCD's nerdy stick figure girls are sexy?

    3. Re:Hmmm... by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      It's disturbing that all you have to do to turn me on is draw a stick figure and put long hair on it.

      I wonder what the minimum figure is that could still accomplish this.

      I draw you one for $5. Anybody lower?

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hang on, did I just offer to make some guy on the internet horny for $5? I feel so... dirty.

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    5. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... considering I'd probably have a better chance with those nerdy stick figure girls than I'd have with real live girls with their own personality and brain.....

    6. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (|)?

    7. Re:Hmmm... by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the minimum figure is that could still accomplish this.

      20k / year?

  26. Uh, math? by PatDev · · Score: 5, Informative

    Umm, you are aware that "99.99999% more" roughly means "slightly less than twice as much", right? As in, he reads 199.99999% as much XKCD as he does NYT.

  27. New tag... by Akardam · · Score: 1

    !hyberbondage

    or

    knot hyberbondage

    as the case may be...

  28. Re:That's cartooning? by geekboy642 · · Score: 1

    Hey now, Girl Genius is AWESOME. But...it's storyline-based. At the moment, they're having a fake fight to stir up a mob so they can storm the castle properly. A fake fight with intelligent-sounding dialogue would just be ... odd.

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  29. Now it makes sense by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is actually redundant but it was rewarded with "Funny" because it implies that Monroe has lots of sex. You guys like Monroe and heaven forbid if you could separate the moderation guidelines from your personal feelings. Therefore, this is complimentary of Monroe and gets modded up. I made a very similar post that, while intended to be humorous, could have been taken as derogatory of Monroe since it suggested that the three-fourths part did not include sex, so I get modded down into oblivion. That's alright; to be honest, in hindsight, I don't think my own post was any good and it probably deserves the moderation it received. However, this post is a carbon copy of mine and was modded up. I contend that either they are both funny or they are both redundant.

    The reason why I complain about the mods from time to time is because the moderation guidelines are well-written and easy to understand, yet I never see any consistency. It seems like there's always a matter of fanboy-ism that reduces moderation to a matter of popularity (in this case, Monroe's popularity). For an unrelated example, did you know that if someone does a good deal of research, shares his findings, and explains why he came to the conclusion that he did, that he deserves an Informative mod even if you hate his fucking guts and can't stand any of his opinions? That if you want to tell him how much you hate and disagree with him, the way to do it is by posting a response and not by abusing the moderation system? I'm just not seeing that kind of maturity and that's a shame, as Slashdot is one of the few places where it could be possible.

    Do I give a shit about a few points when I have more than enough karma to burn? Not really. Do I give a shit about the rampant, childish, nothing-exists-beyond-my-personal-feelings knee-jerk type of attitude that I am seeing more and more often? Yes, that one does bother me, for it tells me that the culture (be it a Web site or a nation) is heading in the wrong direction.

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    1. Re:Now it makes sense by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I contend that either they are both funny or they are both redundant.

      I will agree with you on people using moderation for "I like this person". I can't say for sure why it was modded such, but I might say that it's because your punchline is the exact same as the one Monroe made. Thus, you restated the original joke in a slightly different and more drawn-out manner, hence "redundant". You may be correct, and it may well be because of the /. Love Complex, but it could also be that first thing.

      I would say that people modded mine funny because they find it funny. Perhaps you don't share the same humor as them, or are biased because you attempted a joke with the same material. I approached it in a different way than both yours and what Monroe originally implied, which is likely what others found funny. Yourself and Monroe imply that he lacks epic sex. I imply that he doesn't like staple guns. Different. But, obviously, I'm biased.

      Therefore, while they both use the same source material, they arrive at different punchlines, and so do not have to share the same rating. And now that I've explained the joke, it's no longer funny. Tish-tosh.

      (Please note that I'm not trying to be condescending, just merely explain why your conclusion is wrong.)

    2. Re:Now it makes sense by Starayo · · Score: 1

      You have too much time on your hands. :)

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    3. Re:Now it makes sense by maxume · · Score: 1

      I have time on my legs and feet, and a little on the small of my back.

      It itches.

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    4. Re:Now it makes sense by Zarel · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is actually redundant but it was rewarded with "Funny" because it implies that Monroe has lots of sex. You guys like Monroe and heaven forbid if you could separate the moderation guidelines from your personal feelings. Therefore, this is complimentary of Monroe and gets modded up. I made a very similar post that, while intended to be humorous, could have been taken as derogatory of Monroe since it suggested that the three-fourths part did not include sex, so I get modded down into oblivion. That's alright; to be honest, in hindsight, I don't think my own post was any good and it probably deserves the moderation it received. However, this post is a carbon copy of mine and was modded up. I contend that either they are both funny or they are both redundant.

      No, the difference is that Munroe's original intention in saying "do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical" was to imply that he does not "have lots of sex". Thus, pointing this out is redundant (because Munroe is already attempting to point it out), while misinterpreting it to mean he doesn't play with staple guns is humorous. Understand the difference?

      Believe me, your post would have been funny if you weren't just pointing out what Munroe was trying to say.

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    5. Re:Now it makes sense by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      The way you told it was also much more cumbersome, though.

      Jon Stewart and John Kerry could both tell the same joke, but only one of them would have a chance at making it funny.

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    6. Re:Now it makes sense by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Undoubtedly there is abuse of moderation, but this is not an example of it. I'll be charitable and assume you thought you were highlighting an amusing and unintended interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the original was intended to be interpreted that way - it was a deliberate joke, but perhaps subtle enough that you thought you were making the joke. Perhaps you though you were posting an amusing interpretation, but to those who got the joke you were just posting an explanation. Explanations of jokes aren't funny.

      The GP's post on the other hand is not the same joke, it subverts the original joke and it's funny.

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    7. Re:Now it makes sense by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      I hate your fucking guts and can't stand any of your opinions, but you are absolutely correct about moderation reflecting content, so I modded your post insightful before writing this reply.

      =)

    8. Re:Now it makes sense by west.to.east · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you're a blast at parties.

    9. Re:Now it makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's the same exact joke. What gives, Leo?"
      -Superintendent Chalmers

    10. Re:Now it makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^
      This.

      That is why saying "HAR HAR HE DOESNT HAVE SEX" is redundant. That's what Monroe already said in the quote.

      You have no sense of humor and fail at the internets. Even moreso for whining about it. Of *course* you couldn't possibly wrong, it's gotta be the moderators are all stupid (5+ of them), m i right?

    11. Re:Now it makes sense by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      "For an unrelated example, did you know that if someone does a good deal of research, shares his findings, and explains why he came to the conclusion that he did, that he deserves an Informative mod even if you hate his fucking guts and can't stand any of his opinions? "

      Bull. Opinions are NOT "Informative", everyone has them. False "information" is not informative and does not deserve the tag unless the point of the post is to illustrate or correct false information.

      Just as stating something obvious or a truism or perception shared by many is not, by definition, insightful; stating an opinion is not informative. If stating an opinion counts as informative almost very post qualifies. Regardless of how thought out or explained it is, stating an opinion is at best insightful or interesting.

      "That if you want to tell him how much you hate and disagree with him, the way to do it is by posting a response and not by abusing the moderation system? I'm just not seeing that kind of maturity and that's a shame, as Slashdot is one of the few places where it could be possible. "

      Sure, posting how much you hate and disagree with someone is the height of maturity. Slashdot is generally the home of a lot of nerds that grew up with the abuse of the popular kids and/or athletic ones - or at the least growing up in a place they couldn't voice their opinion due to fear (mocking, beating, whatever) from such kids. To expect "maturity" on a site where you can post pretty anonymously is a bit wishful, IMHO.

      To me the mature response is to just shrug off and move on. Without abusing the moderation system or the posting system. You won't "see" that maturity however because by definition the rabid posts don't show up.

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    12. Re:Now it makes sense by causality · · Score: 1

      Bull. Opinions are NOT "Informative", everyone has them. False "information" is not informative and does not deserve the tag unless the point of the post is to illustrate or correct false information.

      Just as stating something obvious or a truism or perception shared by many is not, by definition, insightful; stating an opinion is not informative. If stating an opinion counts as informative almost very post qualifies. Regardless of how thought out or explained it is, stating an opinion is at best insightful or interesting.

      This is why when I gave a hypothetical example of what I consider to be abuse of moderation in order to make my point, I was careful to describe a process of doing research, sharing findings, and explaining conclusions. Perhaps you interpret this differently than I do, but to me this does not include "false information" (more of a good-faith effort to get it right) and does not include "stating something obvious or a truism". Opinions can be very informative if they are educated opinions with solid foundations. If i tell you that in my opinion, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, that's not so informative. If your doctor evaluates your symptoms and gives you a medical opinion about how to treat them, that is quite informative even though it is within the realm of possibility that another doctor might give a different one.

      Sure, posting how much you hate and disagree with someone is the height of maturity.

      If you are going to do it, I consider it far more mature to post it and own up to it than to abuse the moderation system in order to express it. Most of the time such abuse is not deliberate and intentional; it's due to an inability to separate your personal feelings about a thing from the objective facts (if you don't understand that, just look at how common ad hominem attacks are, veiled or otherwise).

      I do not believe that getting this right (or a lot closer to "right") is some lofty unattainable standard. I believe that almost everyone who cares to do so can do so, just as you could have given me some benefit of doubt instead of assuming that when I talk about things like "careful research" that I must really mean "false information " and "obvious truisms" or that when I say that treating personal feelings as personal feelings and not as moderation criteria (i.e. using discretion) that I must really mean that making venomous posts is the height of maturity. When you interpret what someone says in the most unfavorable possible way, you can believe that you are shooting fish in a barrel when you proceed to argue against that person; it does not mean that this is actually the case. I say with zero ill will towards you that you are actually helping to make my point for me.

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    13. Re:Now it makes sense by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      "to me this does not include "false information" (more of a good-faith effort to get it right) and does not include "stating something obvious or a truism"."

      You are missing the point and assuming assertions not made, The point is that merely supporting your opinion does not make your opinion informative. Doing research and explaining research does not validate an opinion made. Ypu can provide all teh reasons and research that supports your (hypothetical) opinion that the Spaghetti Monster is real, yet that does not make your opinion any more informative. An argument may be entirely logical - it can be logically correct and correctly logical, and still be wrong. If you do not understand that I would recommend some good courses and/or books on logic.

      Furtere I did not say stating a truism was what you said. I made an analogy. You have clearly misread that into something it was not. You have then proceeded to raise it as a strawman and then beat your strawman. You then proceeded to make veiled ad hominems based on your strawman. Congratulations are in order for thoroughly trashing your strawman. However, despite providng several reasons supporting your argument against your strawman, your conclusion was in fact incorrect as it was based on false assumptions and interpretations.

      Interesting how you are unable to demonstrate the position you argue from. You assume the negative side. Your original argument contained no qualifiers, and therefore does in fact include people who do "careful research" and still get it wrong. For example, One may state "as long as someone does A,B, and C they are entitled to D, without regard to E". Yet this can be wrong, even if logically accurate via supported assertions. Your stated conditions for deserving an Informative tag had several qualifiers yet omitted a very crucial one: veracity of the "information" thus presented.

      Consider an argument such as this:

      "I have examined the possibility that the Spaghetti Monster exists. In order to to this I have found that at sites A, B, and E Spaghetti Monsters are defines as being bald, shorter than 5'2", and have a propensity to post on slashdot. I fit these criteria as am a spaghetti monster myself. Therefore, I assert the Spaghetti Monsters are real". Let us further assume that the poster also includes many references to sites that describe the mythical monster, and that to keep this form being long I've omitted them from the description. Careful research was done, the assertions were supported. Yet, this does not make the post claiming such things informative. Funny, perhaps, but not informative. By not excluding such (all too common) types posts from your criteria your

      At no point did I say your assertions included posting obvious information. Sure, the analogy did not fit the "A is like B' form, but "Just as A -is not B, C is not D" is also an analogy, and this is what I did. For you to misread or twist (your choice) this into "you assumed I meant this" is a mistake on your part and as such no matter how well reasoned your argument against that may be, it does not make your opinion that I did so accurate, informative, or insightful. You prattle on about conflating personal opinion or feelings with the moderation system, and I posted a similar issue with regards to the use of "Insightful". You then proceed to fail to separate your personal feelings on the Informative subject and attack me for making the analogy to the same process for Insightful.

      In my opinion posting a "hate filled" post is not "more mature". As you stated yourself, the abuse of the moderation system in your example is most often not intentional. As such it is not a matter of maturity as it is not a conscious choice. Making a conscious choice to post a "hate filled" response is hardly being more mature than simply moderating a post based on personal feelings when you are not conscious of the detail of your actions. Maturity is a matter of opinion, and here we clearly have a differing opinion. That makes neither of our opinions informa

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    14. Re:Now it makes sense by causality · · Score: 1

      My point is that I understand and did take into consideration the things you feel a need to point out, and this could have been known to you by reading my post and yet you still feel a need to point them out. To see me make what amounts to a lesser-of-two-evils comparison, in the sense of "if you really MUST do one or the other, this one is a superior choice" (the "maturity" topic), and then to continue to pretend that by clearly indicating "lesser of two evils" I must really mean that one of them is actually the best possible choice among all choices ... well, there's just not much I can do with that. I am no longer dealing with someone who is listening. I feel the same way about your take on useful opinions vs. useless opinions; you talk about this as though there is no possible way to determine which is which and that just isn't the case (if it were the case, you'd have never been able to give an example!). I did not say that "all opinions which are explained are equally valid", so even if I give you 20 reasons why I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster I agree that it does not become an informative, useful opinion. But so what? Did you think you were telling me something I did not know? I know the difference, you know the difference, you know that I know the difference (now that this has been explained to you, twice), so what's the point?

      There are people who just want to feel right at all costs. I believe that you are one of them. I have told you (strictly speaking only of your interpretation of what I said) why you are going down the wrong path, and you respond by going farther down that path. I admire your persistence and not being easily dissuaded is a good thing overall, but it is a shame when somebody fails to understand that a good sword is kept in its sheath.

      Unless you are the world's greatest telepath, then I am the world's foremost expert on the subject of what I was thinking or what I intended to say or what I meant by it. It kinda comes with being me. You are effectively arguing that I did not really mean what I have told you that I meant on multiple occasions now, and you don't seem to understand why this is useless. You are more than smart enough to understand that, you just don't want to because it would interfere with feeling that I must be wrong and you must be right (like what I mentioned before, I don't think this is a conscious choice -- I think it's a choice about which you can become conscious). I really can't work with that, because I am no longer dealing with someone who is being reasonable. I am now dealing with someone who can use logic and reasoning but does not understand that they are useless if the premises are faulty, and you are hell-bent on the premise that I don't state truly obvious things because I need you to point them out to me. So, I am done with this thread. If that makes you feel that you have won a victory, then by all means please celebrate and enjoy yourself. Life is short and a reason to celebrate is a happy occasion.

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  30. Re:That's cartooning? by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

    Tintin is a 10? Are you insane?

    That said: Girl Genius Online is a 9? Megatokyo is an 8? Are you insane?

    Now, I actually like Girl Genius's art, but the fact is that Phil Foglio's grasp of anatomy is shaky at best. He tends to lose sight of proportions, his heads don't act like heads actually do, and speaking of heads, 9/10 of his characters are microcephalic gorillas. It's *pretty*, but it's not a 9. It's nowhere near a 9.

    Megatokyo has fantastic architecture. Meanwhile, every single character apparently suffers from Down's Syndrome. I'm serious. Look at the eyes. You don't have eyes that widely spread without an extra chromosome. Also, despite N billion years on the internet, he still doesn't have the concept of "backgrounds" down, and he doesn't even understand what "lighting" is (unless it's on a building, he gets buildings just fine.)

    Penny Arcade is cartoony, but it's competent.

    XKCD does a surprisingly good job of expression emotion in stick figures, but, I mean, it's stick figures.

    I'd call PA a 7, GGO a 5, and Megatokyo and XKCD both 3's (because XKCD tries for very little and succeeds with flying colors, and Megatokyo tries for a lot and faceplants in the mud.) Tintin . . . man, I don't know. Can you even get less imaginative?

    I guess I'll call it a 5. At least he has anatomy down.

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  31. Cool? Only if.... by weston · · Score: 1

    Anyway, step back, I voted republican. We cool now?

    Sure. As long as that's past tense, previous to 2000, or doesn't apply to the office of the Presidency.

    Otherwise... no.

  32. Alt-text by brucmack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the things that makes xkcd funny is the alt-text... I missed having that here.

  33. Re:That's cartooning? by glwtta · · Score: 1

    Sort of like National Lampoon without the funny.

    So, it's exactly like National Lampoon?

    Anyway, you do realize that you are complaining about the artistic merits of a comic done in stick-figures?

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  34. eye vs brain by Somegeek · · Score: 1

    You're judging on eye-candy. XKCD is brain-candy.

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  35. esoteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found the cow one funny but not any of the other entries. I guess I just don't enjoy jokes about S&M or indignant nerds.

  36. Re:That's cartooning? by mollymoo · · Score: 1

    On a scale of 10 for drawing, Tintin is a 10, Girl Genius Online is a 9, Megatokyo is an 8, Penny Arcade is a 6, and these cartoons are around 1.5.

    I don't know why people like Shakespeare, he used awful fonts.

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  37. Stupid & Silly by steelcaress · · Score: 1

    Did anyone go to the New Yorker's Cartoon Lounge and read the interview? The interviewer's questions read like he was on crack and was desperately trying to be funny. He failed. I guess it reminded me why I don't read the New Yorker.

  38. Re:That's cartooning? by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    You do realize that xkcd has never been about the art, and its author has never claimed it was?

    Er... apart from some of the earlier ones on xkcd.com which (unless I'm missing some really subtle joke) are just art.

    Anyway, methinks there's a lot more skill in those "crude" stick figures than some people realise. Look at the poses of the figures in the "1999" one, for example: as far as getting the picture to tell the story he's nailed it. Those stick people have personality.

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  39. Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All cows have too many nipples, based on my assumption that two nipples is the ideal number. :)

    I guess you haven't seen the bordello scene in "Total Recall".

  40. Re:That's cartooning? by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

    In Megatokyo everyone has the same lackluster expression. It's creepy.

  41. begging to difference engine by Eco-Mono · · Score: 1

    IN THIS THREAD: More proof that humor is subjective!

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