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Toshiba Launches Laptop With Three GPUs

arcticstoat writes to mention that Toshiba's latest line of high-powered laptops has three GPUs included. Both the Qosmio X305-Q706 and Q708 come with an integrated GeForce 9400M for day-to-day processing tasks but have a pair of GeForce 9800Ms in SLI that kick in when you need the extra horsepower. "The [Qosmio] X305-Q706 costs $1,999 US (£1,257) in the US, although we haven't seen any UK pricing on the laptops yet. The system comes with a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo P8400 and 4GB of RAM, while the costlier X305-Q708 comes with a quad-core 2.53GHz Core 2 Extreme QX9300 CPU."

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  1. Portable Furnace by Brain_Recall · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it come with its own fire extinguisher?

    1. Re:Portable Furnace by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does it come with its own fire extinguisher?

      Actually no. But you can get that at the Autozone when you go to pick up the car battery you'll need.

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    2. Re:Portable Furnace by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole point of this is to improve battery life compared to laptops that only have the higher performance GPU: you use the more efficient GPU when you do not need the performance, and the better performance one only when you do.

    3. Re:Portable Furnace by jimbudncl · · Score: 1

      I like the pix... the red really accents its keys. Is it blushing because someone told it that it's "sooo fast", or is it about to blow its three Sony batteries?

    4. Re:Portable Furnace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they all crash like the hundreds of thousands of M cards they sold us?

    5. Re:Portable Furnace by thepotoo · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      But who wants/needs the extra weight and expense and unupgradability of an SLI card you're almost never going to use?

      Who would ever want more than ~32 megs of video memory in a laptop? No one in their right mind uses laptops for games, and you're just going to get burned in another year or two when the next generation of video cards comes out.

      This is a very niche product at best. Now, if this were a laptop that you could somehow upgrade with a full-sized SLI setup (using a dock or something) that might be interesting (RAM and processor last forever, mine are currently 4 years old and doing just fine even on games that recommend duel cores, while video cards need to be upgraded every couple of years to keep playing at max settings).

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    6. Re:Portable Furnace by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      32 megs?

      I take it you don't use Photoshop and don't commute to work on a train or bus which may require you to use said program or that you may want to play games on the way back to blow off a bit of steam and with trains having mains supplies batteries aren't an issue.

    7. Re:Portable Furnace by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Funny

      A three GPU notebook is actually Toshiba's way of making triple damn sure that nerds don't reproduce.

    8. Re:Portable Furnace by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You say nobody uses laptops for games, but you clearly have not been to any college lan parties lately. This is clearly a luggable designed for gaming, not a commuter laptop. The battery life probably sucks and it no doubt weighs a ton, but even so it's a lot easier to carry around than a full tower and the game performance should be more than adequate. Sure it'll be obsolete real fast, but these kinds of laptops aren't meant for the budget minded consumer.

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    9. Re:Portable Furnace by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      My friend works on the mines and recently got himself a laptop to cure boredom. They fly out for 14days at a time and basically all you can do out there is work, sleep, eat and drink (many drink alot of alcohol). His laptop plays NFS Carbon quite nicely.

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    10. Re:Portable Furnace by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "obsolete" is a relative term, too. Some people who buy these realize that brand-new games might need some settings turned down, but they're still playable. Not everyone needs to run Crysis at 2560x1980 or whatever the hell it is as soon as it comes out. Two 9800's in SLI are pretty damn quick, and they'll still be pretty quick in 3 or 4 years, when laptops normally start dying. Game manufacturers make sure that people with older hardware can play their games because very, very few people actually buy new, top-of-the-line hardware to play ANY games.

    11. Re:Portable Furnace by Artuir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "But who wants/needs the extra weight and expense and unupgradability of an SLI card you're almost never going to use?"

      Uh, the people this laptop is obviously targeted to?

      They don't make this kind of thing to sell it to everyone under the sun. That's like saying a Formula 1 race car is for everyone. (Gotta keep it car related for you folks, apparently.) It is very obviously a gamer's laptop and it is quite a smart design if you look at it from that standpoint. If you're using it to do office work all of the time you're obviously "doing it wrong", as the interweb sayeth.

    12. Re:Portable Furnace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But who wants/needs the extra weight and expense and unupgradability of an SLI card you're almost never going to use?

      Who would ever want more than ~32 megs of video memory in a laptop? No one in their right mind uses laptops for games, and you're just going to get burned in another year or two when the next generation of video cards comes out.

      My old laptop had 32mb of ram. Half way through my thesis I had to leave it at home and VNC into my home computer from uni as the software I was using to design circuit boards became too slow to update the screen as the board neared completion.

      Even if in your world laptops are never used for games, it's crazy to think that all people ever do on them is edit text files and watch movies during the morning commute.

    13. Re:Portable Furnace by mikael · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every academic and industrial research worker now uses laptops for presenting research papers at conferences, now that digital overhead projectors are now standard (just plug the external video cable into the laptop, set up dual display and everything is exactly the same when the presentation was prepared).

      For those who are in the field of 3D visualisation/animation/rendering research, having a laptop that can do high-performance 3D graphics is a big gain. Instead of just presenting screenshots, pre-rendered movies, it is possible to have the actual application running in real-time.

      You can get upgradeable graphics cards for laptops now (the MXM standard). There are also mini-desktop units (Shuttle XPC) which can be transported as carry-on luggage on an airplane.


      ASUS offered an external PCI-Express card connected using a docking bay

      MSI Luxium also did the same.

      For me, the ideal solution would be to have the docking bays on the underside of the laptop with additional power cables plugging into the main power brick for the laptop. It is a real pain having to go through airport security and take out the entire contents of your laptop bag (cables, PCI cards, DVD's, connectors, and USB dongles, power bricks) just to put them all back in again.

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    14. Re:Portable Furnace by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, neither the ASUS ROG XG Station nor the Luxium have ever been commercially available, which is a shame because I'd love to buy one if the price was reasonable.

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    15. Re:Portable Furnace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What kind of train/bus requires all its passengers to use Photoshop?

    16. Re:Portable Furnace by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Says the person that doesn't do a lot of business travel. Gaming is one way to pass time while doing colo installs, tracking down pimps, or painting laser targets on the side of errant pine trees.

    17. Re:Portable Furnace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, the people this laptop is obviously targeted to?

      Thank you, Generalissimo Obvious. Who is that?

    18. Re:Portable Furnace by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I don't know too much about Windows (Vista) but on OS X, OS will use every kind of 3d acceleration available for Desktop/2D too. If you monitor the GPU and GPU RAM on OS X under normal (non gaming) use, you will see they are used almost in gaming levels.

      I agree with the GPU upgrade but when I check the Desktop scene, it is not like you will breath new life to your 2-3 year old PC by a simple GPU upgrade too. They keep changing standards, mainboards and even RAM.

      The actual SLI card power usage can come from Snow Leopard but sadly Apple is way too conservative when it comes to GPU. They couldn't call NVidia and ATI and ask why the hell they sell same chip for 2x price while they moved to x86 either.

    19. Re:Portable Furnace by Locomorto · · Score: 1

      There is this... I don't think its upgradable though :(.

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    20. Re:Portable Furnace by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      By this you mean the laptop in this article? That's not much of a solution for people who already have a laptop... I've got a fairly portable tablet PC that I would love to be able to run slightly newer games on, but all I can do is hope for these guys to actually deliver their products.

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    21. Re:Portable Furnace by aqk · · Score: 1

      What kind of train/bus requires all its passengers to use Photoshop

      Cold ones! Where the transportation company has told the driver to turn off heat to conserve ($$$) energy.
      I have told all my fellow commuters that this laptop is a steal at the price! And try it with Photoshop! Fantastic!

  2. Cool, but.. by illumastorm · · Score: 1

    Can it run Crysis?

    1. Re:Cool, but.. by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can it run Crysis?

      run crysis?

      With how hot that thing gets it is crysis!!

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    2. Re:Cool, but.. by rugatero · · Score: 0, Troll

      Can it run Crysis?

      No, but I imagine a beowulf cluster of them would...

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    3. Re:Cool, but.. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's a cheap way to heat your house. You get to be green and have fun!

  3. Only two processors? by BrennanM3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Totally unacceptable, I wouldn't even recommend this for checking your email.

    1. Re:Only two processors? by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Sharp knees, too.

    2. Re:Only two processors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's got one processor, with two or four cores, depending on the model

    3. Re:Only two processors? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Two cores == two processors on the same piece of silicon

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    4. Re:Only two processors? by sortius_nod · · Score: 0

      Well, yes and no.

      The whole shared cache thing kind of messes that up.

      Either way, this is a retarded idea. If you want to game you want a gaming notebook, if you want energy efficiency, you get an ULV system.

      Yes, I own 2 laptops (an EEE PC and a more gaming styled notebook), I'd never recommend a notebook with 3 GPUs to anyone. I can only imagine the compatibility issues that are going to arise from this.

    5. Re:Only two processors? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      The whole shared cache thing kind of messes that up.

      Not to mention the whole shared memory thing. For true multiprocessing you need something like NUMA ;)

      The cache is arguably part of the memory subsystem, though for efficiency it's often placed on the same die with the CPUs. A processor is the thing that does processing. Besides, all multi-CPU chips that I know of have dedicated L1 caches for each CPU, and many even have dedicated L2 caches.

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  4. I like this portable-desktop approact to laptops by shinmai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At first the idea sounded idiotic, but I might actually replace my outdated desktop with something like this. I've now used laptop computers pretty much exclusively for about two years now. I do have two desktops at home, but I rarely use them, and they're more for quests who stay long enough to need a computer they can use. I do everything on my laptop, and if I need more uumpf, I use VNC to connect to our bedroom-server-thing or use one of the desktops remotely. I notice that whenever I actually sit down on a desktop computer for more than a few minutes, at some point I feel the need to pick the thing up and move somewhere to do other things while continuing to work with the machine. While there have been more and more powerful laptops in recent years, I've still been waiting for a real powerhouse of a machine to actually toss out my old desktop instead of just replacing my latest laptop. Something like this might be it.

  5. ewww by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My, that's an ugly looking laptop. Here's hoping Toshiba (or someone else) makes something similar in a nicer looking body.

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    1. Re:ewww by ZenShadow · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's called the MacBook Pro.

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    2. Re:ewww by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      Yes, Apple has already done it. Their new notebook, in stores now, has the integrated GPU with the bigger there if require too. Kind of the same thing but on a nicer aluminum uni-body and glass package.

    3. Re:ewww by Draek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, except that a 9400+9600 hybrid SLI setup isn't the same thing as a twin 9800 SLI one, sorry.

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    4. Re:ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! You could pay the same amount for a "prettier" one from Apple, even though its specs are shit compared to this one.

      Viva la cute!

    5. Re:ewww by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

      No shit, why can't anybody but Apple design a good looking computer? It's not rocket science, it requires only some basic understanding of art/design history to avoid the monstrosities that PC makers put out. Only nice thing about it is that my PC laptop is so ugly that I don't care, I spray paint it, duct tape the broken piece on the bottom, whatever. Some of my MacBook friends have actually said that they envy my ability to paint it and not care what it looks like, haha.

    6. Re:ewww by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      People can slag off Apple all they want (because it's true their hardware is way over priced) but PC manufactuers come off retarded when it comes to hardware design. Apple is king and their design is so simple. I can't believe no one in the PC side of things has the balls to rip them off and instead try to make PC look like a shipping container or a whore.

    7. Re:ewww by JJNess · · Score: 1

      I have this laptop (well, the q701 model (9700GTS, 200gb HDD). The flames have kind of grown on me. But as a desktop replacement, I rarely close the thing (the heat comes up through the keyboard (nothing scorching, yet) and closing the lid while it's running will eventually melt or wear out your screen. Plus, the speakers are muffled, and this thing sounds GREAT with 4 harmon-kardon speakers and a subwoofer under it). I rarely see the design as it sits on my desk. A few cons to this particular model: the keyboard feels cheap, glossy, and flexes to the right towards the (not a con: full number pad). The screen is only 1440x900 (but it has HDMI for my (future purchase of a) 42+" 1080p tv). There's little else (so far) to complain about.

    8. Re:ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MBP is prettier, but it's nowhere near this, hardware wise. Its single 9600M GT is underwhelming for gaming eye candy and mediocre in performance. It's slower than the 8800M used in the 17" MBP, about half the speed of the 9800GT used in decent 15" gaming notebooks (which have been available for a while as well.)

      This has two (2) 9800GTs running in SLI and can have a 4 Core CPU. It's a monster. Its more powerful than my current desktop gaming system.

    9. Re:ewww by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      And Sony did it before them, among others, but who's keeping track, right?

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    10. Re:ewww by Narishma · · Score: 1

      The mac isn't even hybrid SLI. You can use either the 9400 or the 9600 but not both at the same time.

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    11. Re:ewww by Molochi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If by the same you mean much slower and not significant as a gaming pc, then sure.

      The 9600M GT is a pretty craptastic videocard for a $2500+ notebook.

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    12. Re:ewww by mikael · · Score: 1

      At least it has a built in networking - a 300 baud modem with drivers.

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    13. Re:ewww by maxume · · Score: 1

      Lenovo does a decent job of turning out bland looking laptops that at least aren't ugly (the design of this Lenovo 3000 N100 brings 'functional' to my mind, no frills, not much shiny, etc.).

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    14. Re:ewww by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Gaming on the MAC !

      Huh ?

      Good Luck with that...

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    15. Re:ewww by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Well, boot camp is there for gaming. Sad but true, it would be wise to spare a 10-20 GB space for gamers as Windows XP (or Vista, if it is fixed).

      What lacks is the directx. A directx like thing. It already exists (SDL comes to mind) but it needs huge, corporate entity that game developers can call.

      Sad thing for Toshiba is, Snow Leopard could use that massive GPU power for doing tough non gaming things thanks to OpenCL which comes with Snow Leopard. Just imagine you can do insanely faster than realtime h264 compression with your laptop thanks to idling GPU power.

    16. Re:ewww by catch23 · · Score: 1

      I have a hunch that Apple didn't design their laptops for hardcore gamers.

    17. Re:ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Difference is with the Vaio you need to reboot to switch from Stamina to Speed, rather than log off and on again (as I understand the Mac does). That having been said, I have had no complaints with using my SZ4 for playing Stalker while working away during the week from my gaming laptop! Great machine... thinking of getting a new Z-series now...

    18. Re:ewww by toddestan · · Score: 1

      And built-in GPIB! Now that's a strange feature for a portable computer.

    19. Re:ewww by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the macbook pro that has an equilivant 17 inch screen is $2700!

      MY wife wants these Toshiba babies and is looking at my macbook pro as ... you pay $$$$ for what??

    20. Re:ewww by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      There is no directx in bootcamp? I thought it ran natively but had Apple drivers?

      Or do you mean no directx in macosx?

    21. Re:ewww by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Something like DirectX, supported by a big company so big, commercial Developers can trust relying on. I hope it will be Apple adopted (in KHTML sense) SDL in future which relies on open standards.

      There was something like that in pre OS X days named Game Sprockets, http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31236

      Of course bootcamp has good DirectX support (drivers etc) but I also recommend getting the missing (?) parts via http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en

      It requires "Windows Validation", as you know, it is Microsoft, loves to bug their own customers.

  6. Cool, but: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run Linux?

  7. Hot, butt.... by halsver · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes it can run Crysis, but you shouldn't put anything flammable near it while you play.

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    1. Re:Hot, butt.... by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      +1 ROFL

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  8. power by xenolion · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Whats the battery life when all the GPUs kick in 5 minutes???

    1. Re:power by nitsnipe · · Score: 1

      Who in the right mind would turn on SLI while on battery power? You would not even have enough time to save whatever game you're playing.
      But if you need to run a dictionary attack in order to break into some access point it would be great ( if we had NVIDIA CUDA APPs that did that).

  9. I see where this is going... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:I see where this is going... by wjh31 · · Score: 1

      id much rather have 5 blades in a laptop than in a razor

    2. Re:I see where this is going... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe Id makes hardware.

    3. Re:I see where this is going... by llamalicious · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The funny thing about that Onion piece, is the a couple years later Gillette really went and made a five-blade razor.

      Score one for the onion!

    4. Re:I see where this is going... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades

      Why stop there? The latest "Gillette Fusion Power Phenom" razor has SIX.

      5 blades plus a 'precision trimmer' on back side.
      Oh... and don't forget: it vibrates too!

      http://www.gillette.com/en-US/#/products/phenom/en-US/index.shtml/

    5. Re:I see where this is going... by sohp · · Score: 1

      Oddly, at least in the non-vibrating version, the cartridges are cheaper per unit than Gillette's older 3-blade Sensor.

    6. Re:I see where this is going... by Loibisch · · Score: 1

      Score one for the onion!

      ...score 1712863 for the rest of the world.

    7. Re:I see where this is going... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The adage is: Life follows the Onion.

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    8. Re:I see where this is going... by great+om · · Score: 1

      the nonvibrating cartridges work fine in the vibrating razor, as well, even with the vibration turned on

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    9. Re:I see where this is going... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The funny thing about that Onion piece, is the a couple years later Gillette really went and made a five-blade razor.

      Even funnier, they then went on to one-upped themselves and released one with SIX.

    10. Re:I see where this is going... by macshit · · Score: 1

      ... and an aloe strip!

      I'm not really very knowledgeable about every-day shaving (I have a beard, and I'm ashamed to say I've only ever shaved with a single-blade razor...), but are these surreal straight-out-of-the-onion razors actually any good?

      [Gillette's onionesque razors are so damn ugly, that I kind of want to believe they're crap too ... but I suppose they may be onto something...]

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    11. Re:I see where this is going... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... and an aloe strip!

      That changes color over time so you know when its time to replace, with a microchip that modifies its performance based on the age of the blades... don't get me started.

      m not really very knowledgeable about every-day shaving (I have a beard, and I'm ashamed to say I've only ever shaved with a single-blade razor...), but are these surreal straight-out-of-the-onion razors actually any good?

      The single blade bic razors that come in a bag and cost 50 cents each or something are utter and complete garbage. Gillete razors ARE infinitely superior...but it could be just the quality of the the blade, rather than the quantity. In any case I honestly don't think the new 5 blade system is any better than mach3. (I don't know if i ever tried the 2-blade.) And I recall that even with the mach3 it was a pain shaving around things like beards because of all the blades... so the new razors 6th blade, the single 'precision' blade on the back is actually a welcome addition.

      I haven't bothered with the vibrating systems myself, yet.

  10. I actually hadn't thought of it before.. by shinmai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..but Toshiba often seems to launch new and previously unheard of things in their computers. Still they're not very popular (at least with anyone I know) when compared to the more "mundane" manufacturers.

    1. Re:I actually hadn't thought of it before.. by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Still they're not very popular (at least with anyone I know) when compared to the more "mundane" manufacturers.

      Ask the folks you know if their laptop price was far more important to them than a robust feature-set...

      Toshiba is the brand I usually recommend here at the shop if just FOR those "extras"...with Panasonic Toughbooks for hard-core field use as a second.

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    2. Re:I actually hadn't thought of it before.. by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I use Mac for years but if I am forced to buy a x86/Windows laptop, it would be either Toshiba or Lenovo (if they didn't kill IBM way of doing it).

      Toshiba has something nobody else has. It does Laptop only and high quality laptops for personal purchase. IBM became Lenovo and if they didn't kill the culture, that would be my first choice for business laptop.

      For harsh environments, choice is clear too. Panasonic Toughbook. Of course don't expect gaming performance from it.

  11. Why? by taupin · · Score: 0

    Why is this a laptop?

    1. Re:Why? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      The same technology is available in newer desktops. It's a new feature in nVidia hardware so that you don't have to use your machine as a space heater when you're just surfing the web. They're actually also supposed to be doing some kind of SLI using the onboard GPU and any additional GPU you've got plugged in. (not on this laptop obviously because they've already got two separate GPUs, but in the case when you've got just one video card and onboard video you're supposed to be able to do it.)

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    2. Re:Why? by nitsnipe · · Score: 1

      It's called a luggable.

    3. Re:Why? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Informative

      LAN Parties. It's not so much a laptop as a portable computer.

    4. Re:Why? by dltaylor · · Score: 1

      You don't need that much power to play StarCraft.

      What else can you play at a "LAN" party (no external servers) that needs the oomph?

    5. Re:Why? by dal20402 · · Score: 1

      Because laptops under ten pounds are for chicks and homosexuals.

      Real men can carry the weight in their Ford F-450s.

      </sarcasm>

    6. Re:Why? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      You could play Red Alert 3. It would have to be less painful than trying to get it to work over the internet. Stupid Westwood still using network code from 1998...

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  12. The problem with desktop replacements by Piata · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone that is using a laptop as desktop replacement, I have to say it's great to be able to have so much portable power but it does have it's downsides:

    1. They tend to weigh a lot, making travel with it a bit of a pain and an annoyance for daily use in multiple locations.
    2. They tend to run extremely hot.
    3. They cost a lot more for the equivalent desktop hardware.
    4. Less upgradable.
    5. Nvidia doesn't update their mobile chipset drivers.

    My next computer will definitely be a desktop.

    1. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by shinmai · · Score: 1

      My plan was to have one desktop-laptop, and a whole other more portable laptop for daily carrying-around and to be used in my actual lap.

    2. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was a netbook with a larger display, like the macbook pro's 17inch display, then remote desktop/vnc would be the perfect setup

    3. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by Sancho · · Score: 1

      I like sitting on my couch and using my laptop. It's way more comfortable than sitting at a desk, and I can interact with other people in the room, watch TV, etc, so when I want to get a powerful computer, I always look at laptops first. To this end, things like weight, size, and battery life are less of a concern. You do tend to pay for the convenience, as you note, both in the fact that you can't upgrade cheaply and in a high up-front cost.

    4. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by scandalon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I highly recommend checking out LaptopVideo2Go. You can install the desktop drivers on your laptop with a simple swap of an .inf file.

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    5. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      To be fair I use my laptop as my main computer with my desktop as a server. Yes it runs hotter when I do gaming and yes it's heavier than I'd like when I walk a mile to work every day but it's worth it.

      I can run apache, tomcat, mysql, netbeans, Firefox, Windows media player amongst other things and it doesn't break a sweat. As far as the weight, it's probably making me healthier by lugging it around and the battery life lasts my bus journey so I can't really complain.

    6. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by JJNess · · Score: 1

      This has a 17" screen (only 1440x900) with HDMI outputs. The gateway p-7811fx has a 17" screen that is WUXGA+ (or something, correct me if I'm wrong on that name) that is full HD.

    7. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had problems with the Toshiba and they were NO help, what will make this different? Any help to recover what I have lost would be GREAT! Even in a law suit that went no where....arggg

      Any insight please e-mail me: tsdfitz@yahoo.com

    8. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by mikael · · Score: 1

      #2 Seems to be caused by lint buildup in the heatsink fan enclosure. It's not just lint on the outside grill but right inside the cavity space as well. For my old laptop, cleaning that out make the fans quieter, reduced the highest temperature down to 65C and extended the battery life.

      The only things that cook my laptop now are 'npviewer.bin' and 'acroread', both of which seem to be sucking up virtual memory before eventually forcing the system into a permanently memory swapping state.

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    9. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding #5:
      http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/

    10. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by TheLink · · Score: 1

      How much would it cost to make a portable wireless low latency screen+keyboard+mouse?

      So most of the compute power is at a desktop...

      60fps * 1680 * 1050 * 24 bit is 300MByte/sec though, and it'll be tricky to keep the latency low.

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    11. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by remmelt · · Score: 1

      ... wait, is what you describe not called a laptop?

      Seriously, an eeePC or whatever they're called with decent resolution and VNC should be perfect for this.

    12. Re:The problem with desktop replacements by F'Nok · · Score: 1

      Let me know when VNC is even remotely fast enough for real-time gaming.
      Given the 60fps stipulation in the gp, I'd assume that was the intention.

  13. Battery Life by aardwolf64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Battery life is an amazing 2.4 seconds, but you can buy an extended battery and extend the life to 1 minute 15 seconds. Or, almost long enough for it to boot up.

  14. Better hardware then the mac book pro at the same by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1, Informative

    Better hardware then the mac book pro at the same price. why can't apple have at least one 9800m in the mac book pro? at $2000 9600m is a poor gpu for the price.

  15. Next Week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, we could go to four GPUs next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, three worked out pretty well, and four is the next number after three. So let's play it safe. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why!

    You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the multi-GPU game. Are they the best a man can get? Fuck, no. Apple is the best a man can get.

  16. Pricing? by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

    The [Qosmio] X305-Q706 costs $1,999 US (£1,257) in the US, although we haven't seen any UK pricing on the laptops yet.

    I think I saw UK pricing on that somewhere... oh yeah:

    The [Qosmio] X305-Q706 costs $1,999 US (£1,257) in the US, although we haven't seen any UK pricing on the laptops yet.

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    1. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not the UK price, it's the US price converted to GBP. It's entirely conceivable - and, in fact, likely - that the laptop will retail for a different, higher price in the UK.

      At least, that's the way it always goes.

    2. Re:Pricing? by should_be_linear · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Its more like:

      The [Qosmio] X305-Q706 costs $1,999 US (£1,257) in the US, although we haven't seen any UK pricing on the laptops yet.

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    3. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That's not a serious comment, it's a joke converted to a Slashdot post. It's entirely conceivable - and, in fact, likely - that the parent poster will need to obtain a different, better sense of humor.

      I had to make a few substitutions but I fixed it.

    4. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the equivalent of the US price in GBP, the actual price here will be MUCH higher, even taking into account Value Added Tax (sales tax).

    5. Re:Pricing? by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      That's not the UK price, it's the US price converted to GBP at the current exchange rate. It's entirely conceivable - and, in fact, likely - that the laptop will retail for an identical figure but with a pound sign instead of a dollar sign, because the US gets its tech really cheap.

      There, fixed that for you.

    6. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. yes... we know, we know, we know.

      I'm pretty sure the parent to your post and the original post were jokes. Congrats on killing the humor and being completely redundant to the AC who originally killed the humor.

    7. Re:Pricing? by galanom · · Score: 1

      That's ok. I guess in my country it will be:

      The [Qosmio] X305-Q706 costs ($1,999 + US £1,257) in the US, although we haven't seen any UK pricing on the laptops yet.

  17. Implementation is key to this by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After having fought with the Lenovo T400 (with the ATI graphics and the built in Intel graphics) in "switchable" mode, I can only hope that Toshiba was able to implement theirs in a way that works well even across the edge cases of configuration and usage.

    For example on the T400, it switches (by default) to the Intel integrated when you go to battery. If you use the machine on a port replicator with dual monitors (like is common for us) you get the two screens identified as number 3 and 4 instead of 1 and 2. AND - when you redock, they switch back and forth (primary screen switches from one side to the other). It works so poorly in a docking scenario that we just disabled it in the BIOS (so it is always on the ATI or 'discrete' graphics).

    This is one of those ideas that sounds great, but if implemented poorly leaves me scratching my head and wondering why someone designed something so stupid.

    Here's hoping that Lenovo works this out and that this implementation from Toshiba works right out of the gate.

    1. Re:Implementation is key to this by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      I think one of the problems with the early versions like yours is that they used Intel and ATI, with two nVidia the driver should be able to handle it much more neatly since it's a universal driver. I haven't used one of these systems myself but I hear it's a lot better with the newer versions. I think ATI is doing something similar but they might not have actually gotten products to market yet. I would love to have something like this in my desktop too, although now that I run folding@home GPU on mine it wouldn't make much difference anyway.

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    2. Re:Implementation is key to this by brucmack · · Score: 1

      I've had this problem on several previous Lenovo laptops as well, where I've ultimately had to install hacked drivers directly from the graphics card manufacturer and play around with different version of the Presentation Director to get it to work properly.

      Ultimately, I think the problem is that Lenovo doesn't do proper QA on dual-monitor setups. It probably doesn't help that they seem to switch between different combinations of Intel, ATI, and nVidia technologies every generation.

  18. Does this mean death of The BOX? by nitsnipe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think there's quite a market for these types of laptops. While the the disadvantages are that they are huge, weight a ton and toast your lap, they pack quite a bit of portable power. But the battery life should be pretty good when you're running with just the integrated graphics.
    First they would be ideal for people who go to LAN parties.
    Second, if you are a serious designer working in 3D animation this may be the only PC you need.
    Thirdly, NVIDIA CUDA has shown a lot of promise so far, with time we will have more applications that make heavy use of the GPU (hopefully a lot of cryptography applications).

    And that quad-core cpu should also be really good for running several virtual machines in VMWare (or virtual box or qemu). This laptop can fulfill the heavy computer needs of most users. The only problem is whether you are ready to pay 3 times the price for a bit more portability.

    1. Re:Does this mean death of The BOX? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      The dell precision line might be better for making 3D animation since they come with the quadro line of video cards. I am hoping this makes dell drop the price on their orange or M6400 one since when spec'd out it cost like $5000. For an all around kick butt portable desktop either of those look good on paper. I'd like to see how they hold up after 3-9 months of use. The dell interested me with the quad core cpu, up to 16GB of RAM, and the 1GB video card. It is not an extreme gamer machine, but it should do most things well. Now if I could only get it with 8GB of ram for $2300....

  19. You could take the green option too... by CaptainPatent · · Score: 1

    In fairness it looks like they're on the way to developing a solar panel that can power this laptop

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  20. Who needs battery life... by Wiarumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who needs battery life when you can play Fallout3 on the crapper!

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    1. Re:Who needs battery life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Using the Qosmio X305-Q706 on the crapper? You do know what that means right?

      Hot shit.

  21. This laptop is hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I mean literally hot!

    1. Re:This laptop is hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who let paris hilton in here?

  22. Re:Better hardware then the mac book pro at the sa by CannonballHead · · Score: 1, Informative

    IMO... because you are paying for two things - the Apple name and the lack of competition for Apple, since they have closed OS X to only Mac hardware.

  23. Another meme... by repvik · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Slightly paraphrased: Won't anyone think of the environment?!

  24. bois not linux or vm friendly by sgt+scrub · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every Toshiba I have looked at, after finding out mine had this issue, has hvm disabled. Not "they use a bios that is not "Intel Virtualization Technology-enabled". Flat out disabled with no way of turning it on. Add to this the fact that every bios update for my laptop has made it more and more difficult to get Linux running properly. No sound? hack bios rebuild kernel and init. No fan for GPU? hack bios - rebuild kernel and init... I'm waiting for the bios that looks to see if I have nothing vista'ish on the drive and disables me turning it on.

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    1. Re:bois not linux or vm friendly by pdxp · · Score: 1

      I think bois have a lot less experience than men, they will learn over time though and be more friendly to those technologies.

    2. Re:bois not linux or vm friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention every Toshiba laptop I have seen overheats badly. Either it will start slowing down or just shut itself off.

      Toshiba isn't exactly known for their quality. In fact every Toshiba component I have ever bought has failed long before its expected lifespan.

    3. Re:bois not linux or vm friendly by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      I thought that Linux didn't use bios, hence why coreboot shaves 3 seconds off your bootup time. I suppose for laptops the acpi features are used (which generally arnt supported in linux very well) but no sound?

      *note all this "knowedge" comes from tring to figure out how to do a bios update without windows and getting distracted for several hours

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  25. Weight by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    It also weighs in at a svelt 11 kilos. Definitely the road warrior's first choice.

  26. What's funny is by areusche · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I never see people actually use the batteries in their laptops. They're always tethered to some wall outlet. That's half the reason I own a laptop! I never carry my magsafe adapter and run all around town with my macbook pro and still can get home with enough charge to plop down on my sofa!

  27. Impressive Battery Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...of one half of 10 minutes.

  28. No worry about sterilization! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With Toshiba's new laptop, now I'll know FOR SURE that I can't have children. Time to line my pants with those space shuttle tiles...

  29. I read the name as "Quasimoto" by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because that's who you're gonna look like after carrying this thing around for a couple of weeks.

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    1. Re:I read the name as "Quasimoto" by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      ? Bueno, la idea es eso

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  30. Does it run OS X? by argent · · Score: 1

    This would make a great Macbook Pro!

  31. oblig. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean I can finally run vista?

  32. That's because... by argent · · Score: 1

    I never carry my magsafe adapter

    I think about that, since unless I'm working somewhere I can plop the laptop down on the cable to hold it in place it invariably gets unplugged when a flea sneezes near the adapter and I end up running the battery down anyway.

    They should call it "worksafe", because it keeps you safe from having to actually work.

  33. Processors are like notarty. More the better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    One processor to receive the mail and read it. One processor to compose the mail and confide it. One processor to bind them all down as it plays that goddamn embedded Adobe Flash applet.

  34. TOSHIBA Qosmio - Identity crisis comes standard by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A battery-conscious, 10 pound laptop that is over 2" thick.

    Dimensions: 16.2" x 12.0" x 1.7-2.5"
    Weight: Starting at 9.04 lbs.
    Additional specs

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  35. Re:Better hardware then the mac book pro at the sa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Plus, as other posters have pointed out, you're paying for something not to look hideously ugly. Go look at the pictures of the Toshiba - you might as well wear a neon "Beer Me!" sign and a wardrobe covered in "2 Fast 2 Furious" logos, too, since you're already going to be laughed at if seen in public with this thing. This thing isn't just ugly, it's garish.

    I'm guessing here, but I suspect the MacBook Pro also weighs less.

  36. Wow that's evolution by Nodamnnicknamesavial · · Score: 0

    The refined the laptop so much, they made it a desktop! Sweet.

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  37. Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's going to lower a lot of guys sperm count.

  38. That's no PC.... by thanatos_x · · Score: 1

    it's a laptop.

    It's got too many GPUs to be a laptop!

    Oh wait...actually you're right. It can't be a laptop unless it comes with asbestos pants or its own carbonite chamber... sorry, my bad. Yea, it'd be completely ridiculous to build a 'laptop' like that.

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  39. Not even that. by Molochi · · Score: 1

    There's no hybrid SLI on the MBP.

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  40. This is a joke! by EncryptedSoldier · · Score: 0

    Honestly, I think it's a waste of money, and space to have 3 GPUs. I'm not sure if it's possible, but wouldn't it make more sense to just use 1 GPU for everyday ops and have the other one kick in SLI when you need it? That would be a more efficient way of pulling off the trick.

  41. GPUs ?? I want *CPUs* !!! by mmu_man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't care if it draws more polygons per second! I'd rather have 4 cpus I can independantly switch on and off at will when needed, as BeOS could!
    This would help with battery probably more than speedstep.
    I've been dreaming about this for a decade. (Why didn't I patent this btw ?)

    1. Re:GPUs ?? I want *CPUs* !!! by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      The chip will still be powered up unless you have 4 seperate chips, and the powersavings marginal.

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    2. Re:GPUs ?? I want *CPUs* !!! by jsoderba · · Score: 1

      The upcoming Intel Core i7 automatically powers down unneeded cores. i7 laptop processors will become available next year. I believe AMD has a similar feature in their upcoming CPUs as well.

    3. Re:GPUs ?? I want *CPUs* !!! by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      That's why I said *cpu* not core :D Oh, and BeOS and Haiku have always been tickless, which helps on battery as well, though it wasn't a concern back then.

  42. Re:Better hardware then the mac book pro at the sa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, at least it doesn have a giant illuminated Toshiba logo on the back of the screen!