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Unhappy People Watch More TV

Hugh Pickens writes "A new study by sociologists at the University of Maryland concludes that unhappy people watch more TV, while people who describe themselves as 'very happy' spend more time reading and socializing. 'TV doesn't really seem to satisfy people over the long haul the way that social involvement or reading a newspaper does,' says researcher John P. Robinson. 'It's more passive and may provide escape — especially when the news is as depressing as the economy itself. The data suggest to us that the TV habit may offer short-run pleasure at the expense of long-term malaise.' Unhappy people also liked their TV more: 'What viewers seem to be saying is that while TV in general is a waste of time and not particularly enjoyable, "the shows I saw tonight were pretty good."' The researchers analyzed two sets of data spanning nearly 30 years (PDF), gathered from nearly 30,000 adults, and found that unhappy people watch an estimated 20 percent more television than very happy people, after taking into account their education, income, age, and marital status — as well as other demographic predictors of both viewing and happiness. 'TV can become a kind of opiate in a way. It's habitual, and tuning in can be an easy way of tuning out.'"

193 comments

  1. Unhappy? by AndGodSed · · Score: 5, Funny

    And what - happy people hang out on Slashdot??

    1. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah I'm sooo unhappy I must tune in...
      but really - there is really good tv these days...I don't know what those other happy people are doing...but I guess I'm the atypical happy tuner inner...

    2. Re:Unhappy? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 5, Funny

      No sorry, Happy People hang out in video game web sites.

      Unhappy unemployed IT geeks and nerds hang out on Slashdot. Duh! :)

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    3. Re:Unhappy? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what - happy people hang out on Slashdot??

      My guess is they are happier than people who spend the same amount of time watching TV. Slashdot built its popularity on its comments section and hence its utility as a social outlet.

      But, speaking from experience, if one were to rub the worst half hour sitcom from one's daily tv viewing and substitute that for an equivalent amount of time getting aerobic exercise such as riding a bike, rowing, stair stepping, treadmilling, jogging, or using an elliptical trainer, one's happiness would take a quantum leap in the positive direction. If one coupled that with a complete elimination of food coloring and corn syrup and other sweeteners, then one would enjoy yet another boost in happiness. Switching to a diet where one gets 80% of one's calories from fruit, vegetables, and legumes would yield yet another jump. Of course the increase in sex that accompanied a newfound healthy appearance might possibly put one over the top in the happiness category.

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    4. Re:Unhappy? by AndGodSed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah - and then all you happy healthy people will look stupid one day lying there: dying from nothing.

      (on edit: I do not hope you will die soon, of course)

    5. Re:Unhappy? by emilper · · Score: 1

      In other news, people tell consistent lies: if they lie about their TV-viewing habits, they will lie about working out, reading, recycling, voting the Green Party, not bribing their way out of speeding tickets etc.

    6. Re:Unhappy? by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

      What's it say if I went to Hulu after reading this article?

    7. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one coupled that with a complete elimination of food coloring and corn syrup and other sweeteners

      You American's are doomed.

      On the other hand, I have to physically hunt these things out. I still don't know how to get hold of corn syrup based caffienated (Ubuntu Linux doesn't recognise this work, yet recognises the de- version) drinks over here!

      Tonight in a hunt, I ended up socialising. How terrible is that! I missed untold numbers of excellent repeats of generic comedic gameshows :(

    8. Re:Unhappy? by metlin · · Score: 1

      I went to Hulu after reading your comment just to see what it was all about. :-\

    9. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm sure there will be a new studies along the way that reveal, too much health is unhealthy, or too much diet or exercise is somehow detrimental, or too much sex ... well, thats the whole point - if you die from too much sex, you win! As long as it's productive sex and not from a disease contracted through sex, not that this should disqualify you from being a winner.

    10. Re:Unhappy? by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      And what - happy people hang out on Slashdot??

      They're happier if they get "5, Funny" for their comment.

    11. Re:Unhappy? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if one were to rub the worst half hour sitcom from one's daily tv viewing and substitute that for an equivalent amount of time getting aerobic exercise such as riding a bike, rowing, stair stepping, treadmilling, jogging, or using an elliptical trainer, one's happiness would take a quantum leap in the positive direction.

      Skip the jogging, take it easy on the bike and the machines. "Light" aerobic exercise is healthier than "heavy". Better yet, stick to a half hour of moderately brisk walking. If it's not getting your heart rate up, carry some weight on your back. Running is something you reserve for when you're trying to escape tigers. Why resort to a method of getting your cardio up that beats the crap out of your joints when you can get the same exact effect another way?

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    12. Re:Unhappy? by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      My guess is they are happier than people who spend the same amount of time watching TV.

      I would agree but damn near every comment is someone disagreeing with the previous one.

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    13. Re:Unhappy? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      So then why do we do all those "sinful" things again instead of living your Happy Hippy Healthy Lifestyle?

    14. Re:Unhappy? by Starteck81 · · Score: 1

      I'm happily employed, you insensitive clod.

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    15. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, speaking from experience, if one were to rub the worst half hour sitcom from one's daily tv viewing and substitute that for an equivalent amount of time getting aerobic exercise such as riding a bike, rowing, stair stepping, treadmilling, jogging, or using an elliptical trainer, one's happiness would take a quantum leap in the positive direction. If one coupled that with a complete elimination of food coloring and corn syrup and other sweeteners, then one would enjoy yet another boost in happiness. Switching to a diet where one gets 80% of one's calories from fruit, vegetables, and legumes would yield yet another jump. Of course the increase in sex that accompanied a newfound healthy appearance might possibly put one over the top in the happiness category.

      Unfortunately, you're mixing correlation with causation. Just because unhappy people watch more TV than happy people doesn't mean that cutting back will make one happier.

      Whether anyone wants to believe an anon or not, I've tried exactly what you're suggesting. About a year ago, I decided I was done being "unhappy" and a "loner" and wanted to change. I didn't always feel this way; when I was younger, I used to enjoy socializing and meeting new people, but for the last few years, I prefer solitude yet find myself mildly depressed.

      So, I made an effort to exercise 3-4 times a week, stop drinking caffeine, eat healthier, and develop "regular" sleeping habits". One year and a new job later, I feel no different than I did before, with the exception of having a bit more energy from losing a few pounds and being in better shape. I'm not any happier. I still prefer sitting at home on a Friday night and catching up on my DVR recording as opposed to going out with friends.

      Maybe this study says more about how much people are willing to tolerate others. If you don't want to put up with all the dumb asses out there, TV can fill up the space between work and sleep.

    16. Re:Unhappy? by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Switching to a diet where one gets 80% of one's calories from fruit, vegetables, and legumes would yield yet another jump

      Only offset slightly by the distressing smells that would accompany such a diet :-)

    17. Re:Unhappy? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, you're mixing correlation with causation.

      I'm perfectly aware of the 2nd great /. mantra. (The first being something about Hitler and Goodwin.) "Correlationblahblahblah" is even a tag, in case you hadn't noticed. But the statement "A does not necessarily imply B" is not the same as "A necessarily does not imply B". We work to identify correlation to take advantage of it. Forming new habits in the hope of effecting a positive change is predicated on the irrefutable possibility that correlation might reflect causation.

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    18. Re:Unhappy? by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, Unhappy employs You!

      I do apologize. But it struck me as obligatory. Really.

    19. Re:Unhappy? by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      That's funny. Typically I enjoy the odd game of squash with mates and all, but some of my best socializing and "feeling happy" moments are spent while consuming:

      - Coffee
      - Cigarettes
      - Large quantities of dead animal
      - Large quantities of Liquorice / drop / ice cream
      - Alcohol

      And I've never had issues with sex either. Plenty of that to go around. Well, after I turned 20, but still. :-D Furthermore, my appearance is *very* healthy (no, I'm not particularly overweight) and I'm a gamer.

      So how does that compute?

    20. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So how does that compute?

      I don't know...perhaps you're Dutch or something?

    21. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why resort to a method of getting your cardio up that beats the crap out of your joints when you can get the same exact effect another way?

      Two reasons - firstly, you can't get the same effect another way. If all you're looking for is to keep your heart healthy enough to stay alive, "half an hour of moderately brisk walking" is probably enough. If you want to improve your fitness level, running will expend a heck of a lot more energy, work your cardiovascular system harder and make your body adapt faster. To get real benefit from exercise you want to reach your target heart rate and sustain it - something that you'll find hard with a brisk walk.

      Secondly, "beat[ing] the crap out of your joints" is, in fact, one of the benefits of jogging. As long as you don't overdo it you'll strengthen your joints and your bones. I would also point out that since the number one risk factor for joint problems is being overweight, deliberately increasing the weight your joints are carrying may not be a good solution for those trying to avoid joint pains

      (References: http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-285--12232-0,00.html , http://running.about.com/od/gettingstarted/a/101whyrun_3.htm )

    22. Re:Unhappy? by wigle · · Score: 1

      Why resort to a method of getting your cardio up that beats the crap out of your joints when you can get the same exact effect another way?

      To be exact, you're not getting the same effect. High-impact exercises build bone density. Astronauts who exercise in space lose bone density no matter how much they exercise, and the same is true of people on earth as they get older.

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    23. Re:Unhappy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd go with quoting (and adapting) the line from Hi-Fi:

      Is people watching TV because they are unhappy, or is people unhappy because they are watching too much tv?

    24. Re:Unhappy? by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      \o/
        | /\

      Why yes, I AM happier...

    25. Re:Unhappy? by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

      If the bike is hurting your joints, you're doing it wrong. Get someone to check your posture and adjust the saddle, etc.

      btw, I can blow through 7-800 calories in an hour on the bike and that would take me a lot longer if I just walked places.

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    26. Re:Unhappy? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      So how does that compute?

      I compute your age to be 24.

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    27. Re:Unhappy? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Shhhh!

      We make TV for all those sad lonely people to STOP them going out and having sex! Stop planting ideas in their heads to go take away our wemmin!

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    28. Re:Unhappy? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      I would agree but damn near every comment is someone disagreeing with the previous one.

      No they're not!

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    29. Re:Unhappy? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I salute you, slayer of illusions. (with apologies to Glen Cook) Nice one, rock on!

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    30. Re:Unhappy? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      And very interested in what you are doing I see...

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  2. Computer usage also? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the same holds true for people who spend time idly on the computer?

  3. Video Games? by Cookie3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do video games fall into this continuum of "unhappy" to "happy"? In some respects, video games are like TV, like reading (many RPGs, visual novels), and (particularly with MMOs and live competitive games) socializing, too.

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    1. Re:Video Games? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the over all point is unhappy people want something passive like to just lay there and zone out. So activities that involve doing something (ie video games and even participating in an online community) probably don't count.

      That said you can always find a depressing person any group.

    2. Re:Video Games? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      That said you can always find a depressing person any group.

      It dosen't help any depressed person to say that they're depressing, it only makes them feel worse and want to interact with people even less, continuing the cycle. There'd be much fewer depressives if people would interact with depressed folks in a optimistic, or at least opaque, manner rather than reflect every sigh and downward glance back at them.

      It's kind of like not wanting to be somebody's friend just because they don't have friends! Of course, given that humans are basically dumb beasts who think they're god because they know how to fashion tools, who can blame somebody for not wanting friends? :)

    3. Re:Video Games? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I had a friend that would probably be classified as depressed and I agree with what you said. In most instances there isn't wrong with someone who suffers from depression but I suspect a lot people think it's contagious. What can you expect when there are people that think gay is contagious?

    4. Re:Video Games? by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      Hey! Speak for yourself, buddy!

      I don't think I'm God because as opposed to God I'm relatively sure I exist.

    5. Re:Video Games? by Ghubi · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Video Games? by genner · · Score: 1

      I don't think I'm God because as opposed to God I'm relatively sure I exist.

      but can you prove it.....

  4. What about the internet? by stevejsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weird that they don't include internet usage in here. And when they say "reading newspapers," does reading online count? And is it only newspapers? What about blogs? Aggregating internet use into one category would be kind of silly, considering there are many things you can do online (play games, watch Hulu/YouTube/pirated stuff, read newspapers and blogs, socialize, do chores and get practical information, etc.), but they should have at least tried.

    1. Re:What about the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you think The Internets(tm) are more of a distribution medium, rather than the way we look at information? I mean, people who read a newspaper, a blog online, or a radio news flash, are likely to be the same kind of people. The fact that on-line you can socialize, read the news, watch movies, and play, is the reason I don't like when someone talks about the internet as whole bein something.

      Is like saying life is nothing more than the ultimate sandbox game. It may be true, but is in my oppinion, a little bit more than that.

      -voyager

    2. Re:What about the internet? by e9th · · Score: 5, Funny

      They analyzed 30 years of data. The internet data from 1978 was a little sparse.

  5. What channels? by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What channels do they watch? What shows do they watch? Do they use TiVo or do they just channel surf? There are perfectly productive, informative, and educational reasons to watch TV. There is also good entertainment and derivative formulaic uninspired drivel. Simply saying "More TV = unhappy" is very vague.

    1. Re:What channels? by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      There are perfectly productive, informative, and educational reasons to watch TV.

      Yes.

    2. Re:What channels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you're in denial about being unhappy. It's the only reason you would become so defensive over something as disposable as television.

    3. Re:What channels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a tivo makes you happy? I think the results of the study show that "More TV = unhappy" is in fact true, in general. Yes, it's a generalisation, but that's what they're trying to say.

      No point trying to talk your way out of a statistic :)

    4. Re:What channels? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      I watch cnbc the financial news channel.

      Does watching your 401k melt into nothingness count as unhappiness?

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    5. Re:What channels? by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Questioning the methodology behind an assertion isn't necessarily being defensive about the issue.

    6. Re:What channels? by epine · · Score: 1

      Does watching your 401k melt into nothingness count as unhappiness?

      The flip side question is more interesting. Does your 401K climb into the stratosphere on the basis of money that never existed in the first place count as happiness?

      Most of the recent "performance" of the markets was banks enlarging the money supply with complex financial instruments while risks disappeared under the sofa cushion.

      What's more, many of these fund managers were collecting advance fees, and massing their excessive compensation in offshore bank accounts (we can only presume).

      So what is the relationship between gullibility and happiness, after all?

    7. Re:What channels? by alexxander_i · · Score: 1

      That question is irrelevant. There are too many explanations and angles to look at this from, but there is a correlation between the amount of television watched and the level of happiness. That is it. The validity and randomness of the data is what effects the facts; the statistics are really saying "of people who participate in the surveys who watch 20% more t.v. are more unhappy."

  6. On the flip side of that coin.... by 3seas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Watching TV makes one unhappy....as they fail to realize the addictive nature of advertising of things they really don't need, the BS of the news media and oh my.....the re-runs....

    Watching TV is so very non-interactive.....

    Slashdot makes for the frustrated TV watchers to release their frustrations.... which explains the generally negative attitude on the internet.

    Solution.... do not get a digital TV converter box is a first step. We might just get a better internet because of it. ... sure buddy.....

    1. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I read a good article in new scientist (IIRC), that studied the addictive nature of TV.

      It was the sudden transitions that you get with advertising and music TV that caused people to get hooked and also feel drained and zombified after long sittings. So yeah, it's not really the medium but what you choose to watch.

      Have you looked at the faces of people "watching" MTV? Creepy.

    2. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by msromike · · Score: 0

      I don't agree. I say get the DTV converter and cancel your cable or sattelite TV feed. That would improve the quality and reduce the quantity of what you watch. It would also you leave you a nice monthly surplus to save for retirement or pay down your debt. End result, happier!

    3. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      "Have you looked at the faces of people "watching" MTV? Creepy."

      I had the very first such experience with my 8 year-old daughter the other day.

      Only thing was, she wasn't watching TV. She was doing stuff on her Facebook account. I asked her something and the expression on her face and tone of her voice was reminiscent of a heroin addict. It freaked me out.

    4. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does your eight year old daughter have a Facebook account?

    5. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      It was the sudden transitions that you get with advertising and music TV that caused people to get hooked

      You seem to forget that we are talking about data spanning 30 years. Music tv and advertising were not quite the same back then. And I think the main point they are making is not that "TV is bad for you", but that lack of social and other activity is. Why is reading a newspaper better than watching tv? Because when you read a newspaper, you are actively pursuing information and you are more likely to talk to your colleagues about it; but if you spent the evening watching MTV, you are not really likely to talk to people about it next day, because it is just more of the same tedious humdrum as always. Apart from that, monotony is one thing that can really get a depression going.

    6. Re:On the flip side of that coin.... by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      So that she can keep in touch and play online games with her relatives. We monitor it and don't allow her to post anything personal (pictures, full name etc.)

  7. What I want to know is... by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do you get one of these grants?

    I would like to research, for example, whether the Pope is Catholic, or whether bears shit in the woods. Does anyone at the University of Maryland know where I can get funding, since they have so much success with similar quests.

    Anyway, if you weren't unhappy to start with, watching 90% of the 2008 fall schedule on TV will make you that way pretty quickly. Writer's strike aside, this is one of the worst new seasons in the history of TV. Kath and Kim? Knightrider? Worst Week? Heroes? Are you kidding, Network Execs? You can pretty much cancel every show that debuted in 2008, on every network. You all fucked up.

    1. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BRING BACK BUFFY. ^_^

    2. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like an unhappy person who watched most of those programs and is suprised and disapointed they are crap

    3. Re:What I want to know is... by Manchot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I'd love nothing more than to blame the network execs, the dearth of quality new shows this year is a direct result of the writer's strike. There were far fewer pilots produced last year than usual.

    4. Re:What I want to know is... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      So what explains the dearth of quality new shows for the last 25 years or so?

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    5. Re:What I want to know is... by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Most of the commercial TV today is pretty pathetic, but if you look around online you can find some pretty good stuff.

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    6. Re:What I want to know is... by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 1

      But sometimes the execs are so stupid that they don't know what's going on in front of their faces. Watch "My Own Worst Enemy". Then really watch it for subtext and the meta-critical statements which expose what the writers are getting at. On the surface it's a flashy James Bond meets Desperate Housewives mash-up. Look a little deeper and you'll find wonderful material. Sure, it's the exception that proves the rule, but it's a great exception.

    7. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a jaded yuppie who thinks they're "above" everyone else because they dont like anything on tv?

    8. Re:What I want to know is... by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      What dearth in the past 25 years? We've had The Simpsons, the Daily Show, the Colbert Report, South Park, Firefly, Doctor Who, Scrubs... and that's just the stuff I watch sometimes.

    9. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 years? What? Twin Peaks? Full House? X Files? Simpsons? Futurama? Southpark? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Beavis & Butthead? ALF? Powerpuff Girls? Samurai Jack? Seinfeld? Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Roswell? Six Feet Under? Pretender? Frasier? Cheers? Boy Meets World? NYPD Blue? Homicide, life on the streets? Buffy? Freaks and Geeks? Farscape? Babylon 5? Nip Tuck? BH 90210? Party of Five? Law and Order? Murphy Brown? Quantum Leap? 3rd Rock from the Sun? 24? Absolutely Fabulous? Coupling? The Office? Ally McBeal? Band of Brothers? Sex and the City? Desperate Housewives? Alias? Lost? Scrubs? Spongebob? Arrested Development? Ali G? Grey's Anatomy? Friends? King of Queens? SOPRANOS?!?! Daily Show? Colbert Report? Bones? Stargate? Dexter? Dexter's Lab? Knight Rider? MacGyver? The Shield? Californication? Millenium? The Unit? Weeds? Boston Legal? these are just some i recall off the top of my head.

    10. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said "quality shows"

    11. Re:What I want to know is... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      No, I'm just aware enough to realize that there were a lot more good shows in the 60s and 70s than now. Sure, there are some good shows now, but nowhere near as many as there used to be.

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  8. I don't have a tv.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but that doesn't stop me from being sad when people talk about the latest heroes episodes :(

    1. Re:I don't have a tv.. by jstoner · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't have one either. I like more control of my media experience than TV provides. I watch very occasionally at a neighbor's place.

      It's interesting, though: my experience of TV is different when I do watch it. I get angrier at villains, more repulsed by violence. Part of that is obviously just not exposing myself to it as much. I wonder, though: how much it is about my general immersion in more interactive media? Usually when something happens in the spaces I spend my time in (mailing lists, facebook) I can say something about it, and change the action.

      Which does change my response to things like TV, too, but in a way that's hard to sort out.

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    2. Re:I don't have a tv.. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 0, Troll

      but that doesn't stop me from being sad when people talk about the latest heroes episodes :(

      Sad about what? Nothing ever happens on that show. Or really, lots of things happen, they just don't seem to be going anywhere. It's an idiotic show that (unfortunately) entertainment hungry people watch anyway. The writers clearly have no series bible* to go by, because "powers" are useful/usable only when the story immediately requires it, and the very nature of the powers vacillates irrationally between genetic/biological and out-and-out magic, e.g. Dr Suresh is turning into The Fly (borderline plagiarism there) from some sort of mutation, but Pops Petrelli somehow has the ability to "steal" people's super powers from them? WTF? It's written by idiots who repeatedly paint themselves into corners and have to bullshit their way out in the most ridiculous ways. Hiro can control time and teleport, so any time this power would be too useful, they have him knocked unconscious by a blow to the head. Seriously, the guy should have brain damage by now, or at least have wised up and started wearing a motorcycle helmet everywhere. Peter Petrelli was basically immortal fucking Jesus walking the earth, so they had to first bring in "evil peter" from the alternate future to trap him in Frank Capra's body (using a power we never fucking heard of before) and then later they resort to a "reset" by having his father "steal" his powers somehow. Don't even get me started with Sylar. Figuring out how to fix a particular fucking watch makes you want to cut open heads and poke at brains? Then there's the whole time travel angle, which is the worst cop out there is in sci-fi writing. Painted into a corner? Time travel and change history! The whole show is just a confused patchwork of nonsense. What really pisses me off is that it could have been good.

      At least it's not as bad as Fringe.

      * a show's "bible" is a basic guide to the show's universe. It says who's who, what they did, what they do, what they don't do, etc. It keeps the stories and characters coherent and recognizable.

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    3. Re:I don't have a tv.. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Hey, hey, time travel didn't ruin "Heroes". Shit writing ruined "Heroes". Time travel has given us the greatness of "Doctor Who".

    4. Re:I don't have a tv.. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Hey, heroes fanboi mods, don't get your cocksucking tongues in a knot, mmmkay? Definetly not troll, please mod parent back up.

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  9. Fox News of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's an easy one! Recently Fox News viewers are a VERY unhappy lot.

  10. Related Studies by Savione · · Score: 4, Informative

    The data suggest to us that the TV habit may offer short-run pleasure at the expense of long-term malaise.

    Even those who aren't actively watching television tend to show negative side-effects if a TV is on in the same room. I recall this one study about background TV causing abnormal development in attention spans.

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    1. Re:Related Studies by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
      Of course. Your attention span is the first thing to go when you watch too much TV. Your brain is overwhelmed with signal, but it can't realize that it is all noise. It is absolutely no surprise that a majority of TV watchers are brain dead, clueless, and believe that Faux noise is informative.

      Just wait until early 2009 when HDTV really fucks with your head.

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    2. Re:Related Studies by Lijemo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even those who aren't actively watching television tend to show negative side-effects if a TV is on in the same room. I recall this one study about background TV causing abnormal development in attention spans.

      This doesn't surprise me. I grew up constantly bombarded by TV and I hated it.

      I also found it mesmerizing and addictive. Which only made me hate it more. And even if it was a show I hated, I often couldn't get away from it, because I could hear it from my bedroom-- or, when visiting my dad's house, my "bedroom" was the livingroom with the TV in it, so there was nowhere I could go to escape when the damn thing was on. And I couldn't even go to bed until everyone else in the house was done watching TV for the night.

      Yes, I know there are a lot of good shows that I miss out on by not having a TV. But having finally, finally escaped it's tyranny, I have never in my adult life been able to bring myself to set one up in my house.

      I wasted enough hours in front of the TV growing up-- sometimes willingly, sometimes not-- to last a lifetime. I'm DONE.

    3. Re:Related Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It is absolutely no surprise that a majority of TV watchers are brain dead, clueless, and believe that Faux noise is informative."

      Did you say Fox News?

  11. Can understand by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I watch TV I usually become unhappy. There's almost never anything of interest on.

  12. Opiate? by PearsSoap · · Score: 1

    TV can become a kind of opiate in a way.

    What does that make Slashdot?

    1. Re:Opiate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hey, so long as it is open source and every hit is free.....

    2. Re:Opiate? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      LSD?

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  13. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watching people fail first post makes me sad :(

  14. Cause and effect reversed? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    All the study found is correlation, and we all know that correlation is not causation. May be people who don't socialize much and waste their time watching the idiots box are unhappy.

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    1. Re:Cause and effect reversed? by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That was my first thought when I read the summary. I'm happy, and I watch a good amount of TV right now... But it's all shows I actively want to see, and I watch them when I want to. (And without commercials.) In fact, I generally end up fitting TV in around everything else in my life. If there came a time when TV was what I had to fit things around, I just wouldn't watch TV. (I know, because I was there a few years ago... I actually didn't watch TV for about a year, and then I got cable with a DVR and things suddenly worked again.)

      I wouldn't necessarily say 'socialization' has anything to do with it, though.

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    2. Re:Cause and effect reversed? by rm999 · · Score: 1

      "May be people who don't socialize much and waste their time watching the idiots box are unhappy."

      My guess is the correlation arises in several ways. People who don't have much to do tend to both watch more TV and be more depressed. Watching a lot of TV can leave one in a "blah" mood. When someone is not feeling in a great mood, he may distract himself with TV.

    3. Re:Cause and effect reversed? by dosius · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I'd almost guarantee it's that they're unhappy because they watch TV instead of getting a life, rather than they watch TV instead of getting a life because they're unhappy.

      -uso.

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    4. Re:Cause and effect reversed? by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm quite happy to accept the statistical data, but it does not in and of itself support the conclusions made by the sociologists, who are (unsurprisingly to anyone who knows some sociologists) spouting a load of rubbish that the statistical data in and of itself doesn't support. Here are some other possible explanations for the data:

      1) Loneliness is a factor in how much TV a person watches, and lonely people are less happy than non-lonely ones. This is not a function of marital status, income, or any other definable factors, because a bored housewife who watches daytime TV while the kids are at school can feel just as lonely, isolated, and bored once the daily household chores are finished as an aged widow or widower with little in the way of a social life does.

      2) People who don't go out much tend to buy less magazines, books, and newspapers. They also tend to be less happy than those who go out more.

      3) There was no attempt to define happiness levels in an objective way, so what's being measured is how happy each respondent said they were, which is not the same as measuring how happy they actually were. It's therefore quite possible for a significant proportion of respondents to have given TV watching an artificially low happiness rating because they didn't want to admit to themselves or those gathering the data that they really were happiest when being lazy, passive couch potatoes.

      4) Those who live with one or more other people and share a TV often end up being stuck watching stuff they don't like much, which makes them less happy than they would be if allowed to watch what they wanted. This can be a factor even in homes with several TVs in the case of cable and satellite broadcasts, which are usually only available on one set per household.

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  15. Factors to Consider by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stoned people also watch a lot of TV.
    The stoned people I know seem pretty happy.

    The important thing is to balance the TV time with video games.

    1. Re:Factors to Consider by kwikrick · · Score: 1

      Then again, maybe stoned people aren't really happy. Just stoned. Maybe watching TV and being stoned are symptoms of the same affliction, being unhappy.
      Nothing wrong with either activity though, just if you do it too much, you should start thinking why?

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    2. Re:Factors to Consider by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      "The important thing is to balance the TV time with video games."

      C'mon, /., no "funny" modifier? /jokes aside

      People do all kind of escapist stuff because of their unhappiness and I would not put "reading books" as a healthy alternative to watching TV. HealtiER, may be, granted that books are not pulp fiction.

      And why people are unhappy? People are unhappy because they are ungrateful for the good things they have. Most likely the subjects of the study came from the so called "golden billion". Very typical.

      People seek happiness in material world. That never worked as a long term solution. Every toy you buy, every game you play, every book your read, every show you watch, work only for a while.

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    3. Re:Factors to Consider by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unhappy people are more likely to watch TV but that doesn't mean all TV watchers are unhappy.

    4. Re:Factors to Consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Stoned people also watch a lot of TV.
      The stoned people I know seem pretty happy.

      The important thing is to balance the TV time with smoking pot.

    5. Re:Factors to Consider by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The important thing is to balance the TV time with video gamespot.

      There. Fixed that for you.

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    6. Re:Factors to Consider by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      The stoned people I know seem pretty happy.

      They're not happy, they're just stoned. Get them straight for a few weeks and see how happy they are!

    7. Re:Factors to Consider by alexxander_i · · Score: 1

      Weed pacifies your mind, making you content with your current situation. The mind on the drug is happy, not the mind.

    8. Re:Factors to Consider by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      The other day I smoked myself some good Dutch Skunk, and it knocked me flat on my ass because I'm not used to it.

      I wanted to get laid but couldn't because of the drug's effect, and I can tell you that my mind was:

      - Fully aware of it
      - Hardly pacified
      - Scarcely happy

      Luckily I got my own back after zoning out for a couple of hours.

      Point is that your theory is not necessarily correct.

    9. Re:Factors to Consider by alexxander_i · · Score: 1

      There is always exceptions, but this does not disprove my statement. You are trying to use a "deny the consequent," and this only shows it is not correct 100% of the time, and not 100% incorrect. Marijuana is a sedative, you are relaxed and pacified, and majority of Americans, or of those who even smoke marijuana, are not extreme type A personalities where their "relaxed" state is level with a sober non-intoxicated type B. Case-in-point, q.e.d.

    10. Re:Factors to Consider by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      'cept for weed, MDMA (ecstasy), nicotine and LSD.

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  16. Lolcat! by AndGodSed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    2. Re:Lolcat! by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      haha.

  17. Re:obligatory by flynt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    obligatory correlation is not causation post.

    Many studies, such as this one, are well aware of the 'defect'. The point isn't to show causation always, proving correlation can be a very valuable result in a study, it helps us understand structure of data and generates hypotheses for future studies. And for the record, there has never been a randomized, blinded, clinical trial that shows smoking causes cancer.

  18. 20 percent difference? That's it? by cptnapalm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "unhappy people watch an estimated 20 percent more television than very happy people"

    Uh, if it is only a 20% difference, perhaps unhappy people do not have anyone to socialize with during that non-television time of the very happy people. And maybe that's why they are unhappy.

  19. To Paraphrase Nick Hornby by fan+of+lem · · Score: 1

    Do people watch TV because they are unhappy, or are they unhappy because they watch TV?

    1. Re:To Paraphrase Nick Hornby by styrotech · · Score: 1

      Probably both.

    2. Re:To Paraphrase Nick Hornby by piltdownman84 · · Score: 1

      The quote was actually about pop music.
      "Do people listen to pop music because they are unhappy, or are they unhappy because they listen to pop music"

  20. The TV is habit forming and is like a drug by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    so of course unhappy people watch more TV. They are trying to become happy by enjoying TV programs and movies. But it does not always work, and some shows actually make people unhappy, so they change the channel and try to watch different shows.

    This is basically common sense.

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  21. Look. We don't *want* to watch, but... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    Perhaps wathing TV give us unhappy people some perspective. Do you think I *want* to watch "Armageddon" at 15:00 today? No, I have to. Damn. If only "Gigli" were on, I could really be happy and thankful - that I'm not Ben Affleck.

    Seriously though; I do watch CSI (Las Vegas) to remind me what could happen if I *ever* watched MTV (of VH1) again. Now those were suicidal times:

    "Well, the next video probably won't suck... (hours later) Come ON! The *next* one can't possibly suck too... (still more hours later) I am NOT leaving this sofa until I see a video that doesn't SUUUCCCKK!"

    Oh! It's 3pm, gotta go. There's an asteriod coming.

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  22. Nothing new here... by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

    Find a copy of the 70s classic: "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by ex-Mad Ave Exec Jerry Mander. Classic.

  23. Well - by mothore · · Score: 0

    All my friends live in the T.V.

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  24. Correlation, not causality by BlendieOfIndie · · Score: 1, Redundant

    This may be true for you, but the study is not saying that watching TV makes people unhappy, nor is it saying that being unhappy drives people to watch TV. It is merely stating there is a correlation between watching TV and being unhappy. Causality cannot be derived from correlation research.

    1. Re:Correlation, not causality by kwikrick · · Score: 1, Troll

      Of course, doing a study like this, the researchers must have had one or the other causality in mind. Who funded them could be a factor in that. In any case, the media is going to spice it up, and people will hear what they want to hear. It going to be used with political intentions, etc. That's the problem with correlation studies.

      By the way, correlation is a good way to show causality (fundamentally the only way to show causality) but only if a very high correlation is found and deviations from 100% can be explained from impure data.

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    2. Re:Correlation, not causality by hajus · · Score: 1

      Maybe you mean that correlation is a necessary condition for causation. However, "correlation is a good way to show causality" would mean just the opposite.

    3. Re:Correlation, not causality by kwikrick · · Score: 1

      But how can we ever show anything to be true other than by experimenting and doing statistics? We can apply logic to prove things, but not the assumptions about how nature works.

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  25. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go watch TV if you are so sad!

  26. And what about those of us who ... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    ... watch our friends on TV using the tiny cameras we've planted in their houses? I think we're very happy.

  27. Damn you World of Goo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, everything on my screen seems to be wobbly and unstable.

  28. I've replaced TV with Internet by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    I'll admit that I don't watch TV but I have substituted it with the Internet. I'm a happy guy, I have a good sense of humor and personality. I'm not anti-social so much as I am using the Internet, as an excuse to not socialize. I should add that I exercise a lot, eat right, don't smoke etc -so that I'm more fit than average Joe my age and younger. I'm not unhappy, just that I wish that I know I should socialize more - but - past life experience hasn't helped.

    1. Re:I've replaced TV with Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Television isn't interactive.
      The internet is very interactive.
      Depressed people will choose staying home and watching 70's reruns rather than going out with friends which will make them happy.
      Internet supercedes anything that television has to offer.

  29. Re:obligatory by tenco · · Score: 1

    To build hypotheses, true. But am I the only one who thinks that an "estimated(sic!) 20%" isn't much of a difference for the uncertainties involved in this study?

  30. Correlation does not imply causation by br00tus · · Score: 1, Redundant
    I think this may be a case where correlation does not imply causation. I think it's rather obvious that a person who is spending his evenings hanging out with girls who look like Leighton Meester or Kristin Kreuk is going to be happier than those who go home and just watch people like that on their television. I think it's also obvious that reading good books is usually more enriching than watching some reality show of people competitively chasing the American dream, and who swallow a bottle of sleeping pills when they don't win. Recently I've been interviewing, so I have been reading books like Andrew Tanenbaum's Operating Systems and the like, which I already know will help me as it has answers to questions I've missed on some interviews (such as an indepth look into how pipes work in UNIX in terms of how file descriptors are handled etc.) Or I read some books on (pre)revolutionary China which expand my knowledge of the world, and which I sometimes refer to in conversations with people. Or I've read books by Sigmund Freud or Marvin Minsky on the brain, which not only are things which are interesting to discuss, but you could say have had a more significant impact on my life than some TV show would. I hear from too many people how some lame-o, poorly written book like the Fountainhead "changed their life"; but things like Freud's idea that unexpressed aggression can only be turned inward causing anxiety and depression, or Minsky's ideas on how rationality is not counterposed to being emotional in the brain, but that (to simplify it, perhaps too much) that rationality is just one of our emotions, or is parsed out in pieces among our emotions (considering all possibilities to a problem is euphoric, being very critical of each solution in turn is depressing), has probably changed my behavior somewhat.

    Thinking of my own life, I usually sat down and vegetated in front of the tube when I was "beat" after coming home from work. If work was stressful, with too many hours, too little time spent on planning and too little money spent on resources, so that keeping all plates spinning fell more and more on the people working there, I come home tired and don't feel the energy to do anything else, work has sucked all my energy via too many hours and too much asked for in those hours - with the too much not being critical thinking but rushing from crisis to crisis. On the other hand, I've worked at places where hours are more reasonable and work is more enjoyable, so I have more time and energy at night to socialize or do other constructive things. Watching too much television might be a sign of unhappiness, but what are the causes of that unhappiness?

    While I think the main cause of unhappiness leads to the correlation of watching too much television, I also think television has an anesthesizing and depressing effect of its own. Aside from watching the US electoral debates recently, I have very rarely watched any television. Almost all of it garbage. The only channels that are any good are the Independent Film Channel, which has good stuff sometimes, or sometimes C-SPAN or PBS has someone interesting on. The only things I used to watch regularly were the Daily Show and Colbert Report, but now I'm usually doing something else at that time.

    1. Re:Correlation does not imply causation by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I think this may be a case where correlation does not imply causation. [...] Watching too much television might be a sign of unhappiness, but what are the causes of that unhappiness?

      While I think the main cause of unhappiness leads to the correlation of watching too much television, I also think television has an anesthesizing and depressing effect of its own.

      Huh. Funny how you start off this entire post about how "correlation does not imply causation," and yet you provide good arguments for causation flowing in both directions:

      1) That people who are depressed are more likely to seek out television.
      2) That television itself causes a depressive state.

      So... What was the point in hauling out the beaten-to-death line about causation and correlation again?

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  31. Re:obligatory by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, there's also never been a randomized, blinded clinical trial that shows gunshot wounds to the head cause death.

    If you put a bunch of babies in a room together and don't interact with them in any way except to provide food, will they develop their own language?

    There are countless studies that for ethical reasons cannot be completed.

  32. TV makes people unhappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this were about computer games, the headline would have been "TV makes people unhappy", or have you ever seen "Murderous teenagers play counterstrike" ?

  33. I "watch" a lot of TV... by i+love+pineapples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm single and have no roommate. I find it soothing to have the TV or a movie on when I am home, even if I am reading or doing chores. I don't get the same effect with music. My theory is that just having some kind of conversation in the background helps me to feel less lonely when I'm by myself.

    Do I consider myself "unhappy?" I suppose a little lonely at times, but who isn't?

    1. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For what it's worth, yours does not sound like the description of a happy person; just because you've projected your state as being "normal" doesn't mean it is. Good luck.

      ~Single, roommateless individual who doesn't feel "lonely at times".

    2. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by metlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess the opposite is also true.

      I live with my girlfriend, and have a rather active social life - and I have no TV. Never found the need for one, either.

      I do travel a lot, and when I travel, there is almost no time between work and socializing with the clients and the team. When I'm home, all I want to do is either spend time with the woman, read, go climbing or work on something personal (e.g. my portfolio).

      I consider myself neither lonely nor unhappy in any sense. If anything, I am extremely satisfied and very, very happy. Sometimes, I wish for the opposite - a moment of quiet when I'm away from it all.

    3. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by i+love+pineapples · · Score: 1

      So you mean you've never, ever had an evening where you're in the mood to hang out with people, but circumstances (a bad cold, on call at work, really shitty weather,) prohibit you from doing otherwise? Right.

    4. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Tomfrh · · Score: 1

      "..Girlfriend..", "...active social life...", "..climbing..."

      Err, are you sure you're supposed to be here?

    5. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly not often enough that I need to keep the television on in the background so that I get the feeling that "someone else is there with me".

      In actuality, I have never had a time where I wanted to hang out with people and was not able to. I would suggest that you get more friends, or find ones who care enough about you that they will make time for you whenever possible. I guess I am just lucky.

        -- Also single with no roommate

    6. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      See, that stuff is called "a healthy separation between one's personal and professional life". As in: telling the boss you're not working 60 hour weeks more than once every 2 months gives you enough time in each day to develop some people skills, find a hobby, and use those two factors to find a girlfriend.

      Guy might have the nerdiest profession on Earth, but if he keeps it in the office he doesn't need to develop the Stigmata of the Slashdotter.

    7. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by metlin · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, when I do work, I do 80-100 hours a week. However, there are also weeks when I get off (and weeks when I do 10 hours). And when I do get off, I make sure that I do things that I enjoy. Balance and all that.

    8. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find a woman to spend the rest of your life with and have some kids; you'll have an infinite amount of background noise and an abundance of happiness as you watch them grow up.

    9. Re:I "watch" a lot of TV... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Aside from the content itself TV has a normalizing influence. It's a representation of our culture and the way people normally interact, if you know anyone with Autism you realize that there are many ways we could interact and that the definition of "normal" used for societal interaction is very limited (for more information on this see "dating").

      It's constantly in flux like fashion and there are only so many ways to stay "current."

      TV is also something of a "dream medium" in that you might not always know who you are but what you want can be quite clear, what you choose to watch on TV is a combination of what you wish you were doing coupled with the kind of people you'd like to be interacting with (generation, income, lifestyle, [I'll leave the implications of porn as an exercise for the reader] whatever)...

      It's unfortunate that SO much of TV is filled with jerks, assholes, and boring people. What you see is what you get it seems.

  34. Worked for me! by Beve+Jates · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, I don't watch a lot of TV normally but a few years ago I hit a very bad time where my anxiety disorder took over my life. There were a few times where I spent more than a week laying on my couch watching Seinfeld. I have all the episodes on my MythTV box and I would start at the beginning and watch as many episodes would fit in a day. It was an escape and got me through it.

    Let me tell you, mental disorders suck. I used to think people should just get over it but I now realize it's not that simple. It's really hard to put yourself in the same position as someone else with a serious problem like this. I can't even put myself back in the place I was when I had the most severe anxiety problems. Now I can't imagine sitting on the couch watching TV day after day like that... In other words I can't even put myself back into what I was feeling back then even though I went through it!

    1. Re:Worked for me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes you don't get over it at all. I've been there for nearly 4 years now.

    2. Re:Worked for me! by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Heh, I know what you mean... ADHD here, I just can't seem to get at things without wasting at least a quarter of the time thinking obsessively about unrelated stuff. I was a tv maniac in my earlier years, but school was orders of magnitude easier, and watching reruns doesn't put you in the sharpest state of mind. Along with the depressive spells I get, it severely limits my working capacity, and I can frankly feel myself falling behind life itself, but there's nothing I can do about it. Thankfully, I'm smart, and school isn't that hard. Sorry for the OT post, but I needed to share this, and it seemed as good a time as ever. Cheers!

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  35. Too Unhappy to Watch TV by turgid · · Score: 1

    So I hang out here where I can vent my spleen :-)

  36. Television essential to mental well-being by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Funny

    New findings printed today in all papers and broadcast on ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 reveal that television is "virtually a mental vitamin" for intelligence and emotional well-being. In addition, it helps treat arrhythmia, psoriasis, tooth decay, distemper, dropsy, haemorrhoids and impotence, and lets you see through clothes.

    The findings were revealed today by the study's funders, a consortium of commercial television broadcasters and newspaper proprietors. They have recommended that television and printed newspapers be made mandatory as a public health measure, and that the Internet be renamed "The Paedophile Channel" as a warning to possible users.

    "The quick-fix nature of televisual gratification accumulates and quickly becomes permanent," said Dr Desmond Murdoch. "The artistic brilliance of thirty-second messages provides the viewer's necessary daily dose of thoughtful mental stimulation and wit.

    "I met a scientist once," said Dr Murdoch. "Well, he said he was a scientist. He handed me a remarkably large cheque."

    Further results from the research group are expected to include revelations that jaffa cakes, crisps and Coca-Cola are "fruit" for the purposes of achieving one's government-mandated five portions a day, and that snake oil liniment does all it is claimed to.

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  37. Re:obligatory by mochan_s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unhappy people watch move TV

    This is a correlation statement.

    A causation statement would be:

    TV makes people unhappy

    or

    Unhappiness causes people to watch more TV

  38. works exactly the other way around for me by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    the more unhappy and sad i am, the more i tend to read books, trying to escape from the reality. on particularly bad weeks i can read up to 10 standard sized 300 pages paperbacks. i use all of my spare time for reading then.

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    1. Re:works exactly the other way around for me by i+love+pineapples · · Score: 1

      I tend to drown myself in books when I'm depressed. I find TV more of a passive activity (watching other people do stuff) and books more engaging (I tend to put myself into the action of the book I am reading.) TV actually pisses me off when I'm in a bad mood, especially sitcoms, as my life problems don't typically resolve themselves in 30 minutes. :P

    2. Re:works exactly the other way around for me by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      So, I'm not alone... Cheers!

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  39. Up next... by purpleraison · · Score: 1

    A new scientific study demonstrates that bored people watch more TV, AND they eat more junk food.

    In a related study Sexaholics have sex more often, and Alcoholics like to drink!!

    More at 11pm on Fox News!!

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  40. Maybe.... by Terrorwrist · · Score: 1

    Is it watching porn on tv making them feeling happy?

  41. I wish to draw your attention to a further study by Motley+Phule · · Score: 1
    Over 25 years of observation of a large sample group has shown me that depressed people take more anti-depression medication than people who are not depressed. Plainly we can solve the problem of depression by banning prozac.

    I like the fact that the tag is the most incisive comment possible about this article.

  42. amazing...this must mean by nimbius · · Score: 2, Funny

    our children are hopelessly depressed.

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    1. Re:amazing...this must mean by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      > methdealergrin I can fix that. /methdealergrin

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  43. TV vs books in long term by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    Why would a good movie, or a very interesting documentary, not be as long-term lasting as reading a good book? The things learned and seen from a good documentary can stay with you a whole lifetime!

  44. Music to My Ears by mfh · · Score: 1

    I haven't watched any TV with WotLK being released only this past week, but what I will say that I typically don't watch TV anymore now that I have found World of Warcraft. :P

    I have shows I enjoy and I buy the whole season on DVD because commercials are for morons.

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    1. Re:Music to My Ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. I've recently picked up World of Warcraft again and I think it's because I'm pretty unhappy with my life and Warcraft is a good distraction from doing something about it.

  45. Re:I wish to draw your attention to a further stud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plainly we can solve the problem of depression by banning prozac.

    Banning it and lots of other similar drugs would certainly cut down on the violence and suicide they cause. If you do some research you will find they have lost many lawsuits already over their involvement in deaths and general violence.

  46. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or "something which causes unhappiness also causes people to watch more TV"

  47. Racing Away by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    TV is enough,
    It's providing artificial friends and relatives to lonely people,
    What it is are recurrent families,
    Same friends and relatives come back
    Week after week after week after week,
    And they're wittier and they're better looking
    And much more interesting and they are richer
    Than your real friends and relatives

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  48. Re:obligatory by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Yeah, there's also never been a randomized, blinded clinical trial that shows gunshot wounds to the head cause death.

    Never say never. A surprising amount of our current medical knowledge about how the human body reacts to specific circumstances is derived from nazi human experimentation. While I can't point at a specific gunshot experiment by the nazis, I am not familiar with the complete scope of their trials either.

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  49. If television rules the nation... by woddfellow2 · · Score: 0

    If television rules the nation, then this must be an unhappy nation.

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  50. Seriously, does this guy seem happy? by Torodung · · Score: 4, Funny
  51. Re:20 percent difference? That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention, time. If they have somebody to socialize with, then that cuts into the time they can spend watching TV.

    Geek introverts like me, just own a computer with a TV tuner.
    Having a well balanced diet of entertainment and interactive gaming is the key to a successful non-life.

  52. how do they define happy? by Punto · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the measure of happiness comes from the subjects themselves. Maybe they're just as happy as everyone else, but they think they're not as happy as "the happy people you see on TV" (not that I've read the article or anything).

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  53. by this rationale by CHRONOSS2008 · · Score: 0

    i must be so depressed that i killed myself already

    did anyone in this study mention that a disabled person might watch a MASSIVE amount a tv versus a person that can get off his but and go out side?

    Stupid study

  54. Duh? by Kether83 · · Score: 1

    I've been single for three years and I have the ultimate digital cable package; you do the math.

  55. Re:obligatory by swamp_ig · · Score: 1

    And for the record, there has never been a randomized, blinded, clinical trial that shows smoking causes cancer.

    Yes, but it's hard to believe that cancer causes smoking...

  56. It's a marketing strategy by WillKemp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Making people unhappy is fundamental to the business strategy of the television companies.

    They pump out depressing boring shit non-stop to make people watching feel as miserable and discontented as possible. Then they show you ads for crap that promises to make you happy - and you rush out and buy it out of desperation.

    The television companies would never make a cent if they made their audience feel happy and contented.

    1. Re:It's a marketing strategy by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To paraphrase Scott Adams, happy people don't need to buy stuff. The advertiser's first job is to make you unhappy with at least some aspect of your life.

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  57. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unhappy people watch move TV

    This is a correlation statement.

    Ah, very true.

    'TV doesn't really seem to satisfy people over the long haul the way that social involvement or reading a newspaper does,' says researcher John P. Robinson.

    But the implication from the article and summary is that the people are unhappy because they are watching TV. Hence the correlation-vs-causation comment initially.

  58. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, there's also never been a randomized, blinded clinical trial that shows gunshot wounds to the head cause death.

    Well, thankfully, we can always perform animal trials instead.

  59. Get me some Zoloft... by bytethese · · Score: 1

    I watch WAY too much TV.

  60. First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Post! Now that I'm caught up on my Tivo.

  61. You think 20% is small? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Informative

    The average American watches an average of 4.5 hours of television every day, according to Nielsen. I don't know what percentage of viewers break down into the "happy" v. "unhappy" camps, but 20% of that is close to another hour of TV -- every day.

    To put that in perspective, consider two things:

    1) Most people spend 8 hrs/weekday at work and 8 hrs/day asleep. That's over half of the rest of one's day used for meals, grooming, chores, travel time, etc. For many people, TV is how they spend all of their free time during the week.

    2) 4.5 hrs/day = 31.5 hrs/week. 20% of that is over 6 hours. That's not a trivial time investment.

    Lastly, note that the above 4:35 quote is for adult men. Women watch about 40 minutes more TV per day. (The good news is that teens and children watch less.)

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  62. Unproductive sex for me, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last thing I need right now is a bunch of little products running around.

  63. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, I'm saying we can glean useful information from trials that only show correlation.

  64. why is television singled out? by sapientmonkey · · Score: 1

    i watch tv for entertainment, and the more selective i am in what i watch, i increase the quality of entertainment i receive. this increases the chance for me to receive a side-effect of entertainment...happiness.

    to me entertainment does not equal happiness; it's just a causeway that sometimes leads there. social or solitary. it does not matter. most people like to read in a room vacant of human annoyances, so they can be fully immersed or entertained with whatever book.

    tv, music, movies, sports, eating, exercising, and beating prostitutes with bats are all forms of entertainment, and an extrapolated purpose for them all is a level of escapism.

    maybe if shit never oozed out of this planet, leaving us all eternally happy, we would never be in need of stupid things, like the Arts.

  65. 1 person's experience is not a valid dataset. by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I should let this go, but there are so many things wrong with this post that I can't.

    First, you are one person. Your experiences are interesting but are in no way disproof of the aggregate, average behavior of a population at large. It's nice that your life hasn't turned out the way the study predicts, but against the greater number of people looked at, your anecdotal story is not more valid than the entire study.

    Second, the study does not predict a linear, mechanical mechanism by which one cannot watch X hours of TV without being Y levels of depressed. There is a correlation here. There may be an underlying cause, but nothing implies that that cause is universally true of the human population nor that all people are affected the same nor that people don't get lucky.

    For example, driving while intoxicated clearly raises the likelihood you will be in an accident. However, people drive drunk without getting in accidents all the time (thanks to being lucky). If you drive home in one piece while plastered and do so regularly, that does not negate the overall truth that driving while intoxicated is risky.

    Third, to follow up more on the linear relationship issue, there's nothing the study that says that if you watch too much TV you'll commit suicide.

    Fourth, it might be worth pointing out that disabled people have a higher rate of depression that the population at large. Your objection about disabled people having to watch massive amounts of TV would only reinforce the numbers, assuming that the survey actually included disabled people.

    I'm sorry for ranting, but this whole mindset of, "It hasn't happened to me, so these scientists are just plain wrong and stupid!" drives me absolutely bonkers. You are not the center of the universe. The rules by which it works do not center around your experiences. The plural of anecdote is not data.

    Grah.

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  66. Deaf people by cryptodan · · Score: 0

    So I guess people who cannot hear and watch TV while reading the closed captions would be considered bi-polar?

  67. happy people still watch tv kinda by luther349 · · Score: 0

    i dont watch over the air tv mutch anymore. i do still catch the shows i like over the internet and many company's now provide there shows for viewing for free on there websites abc cbs fox etc.

  68. Re:obligatory by daisybelle · · Score: 1

    um, Nicaraguan sign language? It's taken 30 odd years, but there's a language that arose from nothing. (Some unethical trials do get carried out, although maybe not completely randomised, granted.)

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  69. I'm unhappy, and I don't really like TV by astralan · · Score: 1

    Of course, I'm not social; I only have a presence on every chat channel and irc in the known innernet and read lots of news on the innernet and watch lots of movies on the innernet and... and... and...

  70. "Cause and effect" are usually misnomers by timeOday · · Score: 1

    It is usually foolish to look for pure causation in the real world. Many things that go together in life are mutually reinforcing. Depressed people lack the motivation to undertake more ambitious activities, so depression causes TV watching. But TV watching is not as satisfying as learning something or being with people, so TV watching also causes depression. Second example: Israelis and Palestinians arguing about who is to blame for (i.e. who "caused") middle-east strife, when obviously it is an endless cycle of retaliation and escalation.

  71. Coincidence, not correlation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not a correlation, it's a coincidence.

    1. Re:Coincidence, not correlation by alexxander_i · · Score: 1

      I would not say so. It might not be the truth but after that many years, a correlation would be consistent with your data, regardless if the correlation is between another factor or error you have not identified. It might be a coincidence that this correlation is true in real life, but there is a correlation.

  72. Re:obligatory by CTachyon · · Score: 1

    NSL didn't arise from nothing, because each child involved had communicated with their parents via home sign systems, knew written Spanish, and were being trained in lipreading of spoken Spanish. NSL first developed as a pidgin of their individual home signs, and then developed into a full creole language. Without the home signs, the pidgin never would've formed in the first place, and influence from written Spanish might have shaped the language in very significant ways.

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  73. Re:obligatory by daisybelle · · Score: 1
    but... 'home signs' are more or less invented and used within the family, or at least by very few people. And home signs aren't 'language', as you say, they're 'pre-pidgin'. Yeah, I admit it's not a perfect 'put babies together and see how they eventually communicate', but it shows that a complex system has arisen far more quickly than most non-linguists seem to think it has ever happened.

    And I was under the impression that most of these deaf people had been quite poor at written Spanish, which supporters of the critical age theory were waving about as 'proof' that humans have to learn a first language very early on, in order to have any hope at acquiring native/near-native proficiency in subsequent ones. But, this is only something I've *taught* for a few lectures, I haven't *studied* it, so I admit I don't know too much about it :p

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  74. Messed up causal relationship inference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't is possible that people who watch more TV tend to be unhappy compared to others? i.e. the correlation may exist, but the causal relationship may have been "misinterpreted".

  75. Happiness is relative... by Wizard052 · · Score: 1

    ...you're as happy, TV watching or not, as you affirm yourself to be. Or is it joy you are talking about?

  76. Re:obligatory by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    Says you! *dons lab coat*

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  77. credit your quote, plagiarist by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    Bill Hicks.

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