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Pinpointing Creativity In the Brain

The Times Online has a lengthy story about the work being done to solve mysteries regarding the brain and various aspects of neuroscience. They discuss some of the "brain-training" myths and look at the quest to determine when and where creative thought originates. Quoting: "In fact, the whole process seems to be centred on one small part of the brain: the anterior superior temporal gyrus. This seems to be the point at which bits of information stored far apart in the brain are brought together. This may be an important clue as to how the brain organises itself. But it's only the beginning. At Goldsmiths College in London, Dr Joydeep Bhattacharya says the real issue is not the 'Aha!' moment itself, but the way it is produced in the brain and how we recognise it. 'We need to know the brain processes involved, to find how this moment is strong enough to reach consciousness. We know insight does not come from the sky.' This is the problem with all neuroscience. We don't really know what we are seeing."

85 comments

  1. Creativity a gift, or learned? by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember talking to one of my teachers once and saying to him that creativity can't be taught. He disagreed and said creativity comes from pressure and deadlines. Not really anything to do with this article, but I thought it was an interesting point nonetheless...

    1. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by Jrabbit05 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Bug as feature. Deadlines don't have much effect on creativity more so a destroyer of it.

    2. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's different for different people I suppose. Those nuts who are always saying "I love a challenge, I love working under pressure."

    3. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by hardburn · · Score: 1

      Completely wrong. Stress increases focus on a singular task, while creativity needs to look at how many bits fit together.

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    4. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely wrong. Stress increases focus on a singular task, while creativity needs to look at how many bits fit together.

      Cortisol, commonly referred to as the stress hormone. I believe is less about focus and more about creating memory for difficult or life threatening situations. Of course that only works when the stress is short term. Nowadays... well you know...

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    5. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

      I don't think your post is offtopic at all. There's a lot of truth to the old proverb, "Necessity is the mother of invention." And you can certainly have necessity when you're in a deadline situation. There are plenty of people around who create artificial deadlines for themselves by procrastination or other means. Too much stress can stifle creative thought. Occasional stress may help solutions or approaches bubble up into conscious thought. Otherwise, why do we all still enjoy watching "MacGuyver?" (ahem)

      I'd mod you back up if I could.

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    6. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "He disagreed and said creativity comes from pressure and deadlines."

      I disagree, creativity comes from simply spending time on a problem. There are many problems that take years of sitting on before one comes to a conclusion in many fields, where a person has worked on a problem off and on in their spare time. Much 'creativity' is just as much spending time doing combinations in a random/blind search as anything else.

      If we had the ability to take what was imagined in a persons mind and directly translate it into images and sounds, I think we would see a lot more 'creativity' and 'genius'. Right now the bottleneck is getting the creativity out of the head, not the brain itself, but in expressing inward ideas and notions outwardly.

      I'm sure there are many 'genius' creatives out there who have sick genius imaginations but simply never had the inclination nor the means to express it.

    7. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by Hojima · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your comment is nearly spot-on. Creativity comes from obsession. Albert Einstein was quoted attributing his success to his passion rather than his natural talent. And there is no question as to whether Isac Newton was obsessed with his work. No one got their work done in a day, in fact, even though you can learn some of their accomplishments in less than a week (sometimes faster), it took them years to create and perfect. Although there is always a defining moment that they realize something, there is always some gradual progress that it takes to get there. Also, TFA mentions brain training and hints at neuroplasticity, but it has no mention of neurofeedback. The brain is similar to a muscle in that it can be improved, but only with the proper use. Neurofeedback doesn't have to be used for treatment, it can also be used to improve the mind and even to induce a hypnogogic state, which is shown to dramatically increase creativity. Just use wikipedia to read more into the subject, as the links I could post here wouldn't fit.

    8. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably depends on the level of creativity. You may produce a lot of [reasonably creative/innovative] work during your undergrad years, taking loads of courses and having to submit tons of projects, but I do not think anything groundbreaking has ever been done without personal motivation. This not quite orthogonal to the question of whether intelligence/creative thought can be "forced", because you could say that when you are "forced" (by your circumestance in life, e.g grad school) into a situation where you're task is to sit down and think in some domain, you are more likely to be thinking clearly and creatively in general than someone with a routine human lifestyle of resource making and breeding. Of course we are only talking about scientific creativity. Which is funny, considering all kinds of thought are memory-based. The human brain is sick piece of work.

    9. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we generalize? As someone who has 'taught' at the university level for a couple of decades I assert that *nothing* can be taught. The best that a so-called 'teacher' or 'instructor' can do is create a context in which someone who is willing and able can learn. Learning is the only thing that is possible. Teaching is fiction.

      Having said this, yes, it is possible to create contexts in which an individual's innate creativity can be revived (after having been stifled and crushed nearly out of existence by traditional school education). Is everyone creative? Of course! Survival in an unstructured world would be impossible without it. No two situations in real life are identical. Hence, at least a modicum of creativity is necessary in order to survive. In fact, people are capable of exhibiting far more creative behavior than they do routinely. And (paradoxically, to some) there are structured means of systematically eliciting creative behavior from people. That's what we mean when we say 'creativity can be taught'.

    10. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, you need some pressure to create.

      We're not all limitless pools of creativity - it takes pressure to get the best out of some of us.

      It's all down to motivation, I think - those who are motivated to create will do regardless (I remember those days), and the rest of us need a push to get out what's in there.

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    11. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Well, Douglas Adams famously enjoyed deadlines... :-)

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    12. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      That's the necessity as the mother of invention aspect. There are similar thoughts such as: "give a man a good wife and he is happy, give a man a bad wife and he becomes a philosopher."

      In addition to pressure and deadlines, you also need resources and some luxury of time - intelligence, knowledge, and usually materials. Early man had pressure and deadlines to get the next meal all the time, he didn't do a lot of invention.

    13. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Necessity is the mother of all invention....small British expression....take it as you will, although for me it definitely states not that it "can or can not be taught", but more so,
      the conditions are present for it to flourish.

    14. Re:Creativity a gift, or learned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes, however, the longer, detailed grunt work comes from a quick glimpse of realization that something could be discovered following a certain way. The last Fermat theorem demonstration started as an intuition, and then needed more than 10 years of refinement. I don't think that creativity is the refining of existing, there is another word for that. As another example, Kant got to his self/not self separation in a single moment of creativity (mostrly coping from Deschartes) and then refined it further for years.

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  2. This article is a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is some sloppy neuroscience journalism for sure. For example, Phineas Gage *didn't* recover, he was left with an altered and uncontrolled psyche by his tamping rod accident--they missed the entire point of his story.

    The article is a wandering slop of poorly presented and disparate facts.

    1. Re:This article is a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. What's up with Slashdot "science" stories these days?

    2. Re:This article is a mess by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They also picked an unfortunate example here:

      "The discovery of the structure of DNA by Watson and Crick in 1953 was a clear example of convergent thinking â" the one correct answer was a double helix."

      Watson's story of the discovery moment of the double helix is a classic example of just the opposite: he says he was in a dream-like state and he saw the double helix floating in front of him.

    3. Re:This article is a mess by drfireman · · Score: 1

      I didn't think this story was so bad compared to many I've read. Maybe my standards have been beaten down to nothing by the state of science reporting. But we can expect a lot of poorly written and misleading stories about neuroscience this week, due to SfN (the Society for Neuroscience annual meeting, taking place right now in DC).

    4. Re:This article is a mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up -- the article is nowhere near the Times's standards back when Rupert Murdoch didn't own it. It's now little better than a tabloid.

    5. Re:This article is a mess by bjourne · · Score: 1

      This is some sloppy neuroscience journalism for sure. For example, Phineas Gage *didn't* recover, he was left with an altered and uncontrolled psyche by his tamping rod accident--they missed the entire point of his story.

      Wikipedia disagrees with you.

    6. Re:This article is a mess by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... a wandering slop of poorly presented and disparate facts.

      From my observation, this is an accurate description of the field of Neuroscience in general.

  3. Brain Workshop by De+Lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article:

    But don't despair: Susanne Jaeggi, a psychologist at the University of Michigan, may be able to help. She has devised a brain-training game that actually works. It's a strange, complex game involving sequences of squares on a computer screen, and it definitely improves "fluid intelligence" - the part of your mind that deals directly with the raw newness of experience or, as defined by Jaeggi, "the ability to reason and to solve new problems independently of previously acquired knowledge".

    Here is a link to the abstract of her study. And the project Brain Workshop has released an open source version of the game used in the study.

    1. Re:Brain Workshop by negRo_slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      âoeThereâ(TM)s no empirical evidence that these games produce improvements,â says Nancy Andreasen

      That may very well be the case but are they forgetting about the Placebo effect a game like Brain Age might induce? Or for that matter, isn't using your brain in any active matter preferable to just letting it sit idle and passive in front of say, a tv?

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    2. Re:Brain Workshop by Dr_Banzai · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm the author of Brain Workshop, an implementation of Suzanne Jaeggi's Dual N-Back task. The scientific basis of the dual n-back task differentiates it from regular Brain Age-type games. I highly encourage everyone to try it out. There is currently more research underway to confirm the positive effects on short term memory and fluid intelligence.

      Brain Workshop works on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux and is completely free.

      Join the Dual N-Back, Brain Training & Intelligence forum & mailing list for some interesting discussions.

    3. Re:Brain Workshop by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You're right - there's plenty of evidence that using your brain in ANY way helps to avoid deterioration. I think they're talking about specific claims: the that game will help prevent Alzheimer's, or the game will improve your brain function more than something else, like reading a book. That doesn't come across in the article very well though. Of course, the whole article is a bit incoherent. Or perhaps I just wasn't in the right altered mental state while reading it.

    4. Re:Brain Workshop by noidentity · · Score: 1

      There's also a Javascipt version that's much more light-weight. I found a Java version as well, but it requires that the user compile the sources before it can even be used.

  4. AHA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they are not looking for the 'Aha! moment', but for the 'Aha!, an Aha! moment'... I feel some sort of recursive problem arising.

    wait...

    AHA!

    1. Re:AHA! by wootest · · Score: 1

      Pipe Wrench Fight!

    2. Re:AHA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The only AHA i can think of is A-HA

      Now i have that literal version of "take on me" stuck in my head.

  5. Dr. Joydeep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I've found my new porn star name!

    1. Re:Dr. Joydeep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What was your old one?

    2. Re:Dr. Joydeep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you like that then there are few of other indian names you might like: ramdeep, sukhdeep, hardik . PS: I'm indian ,so its ok if I make fun of my own culture..right?

  6. FTFA: the the Mann Gulch fire of 1949 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FTFA:

    At 6pm on August 5, 1949, a fireman named Wag Dodge and his crew found themselves cut off by a wildfire in Mann Gulch River Valley, Montana. A wall of flame was coming towards them at 30mph. Dodge took a match out of his pocket and set fire to the grass immediately in front of him, stepped into the cleared space, covered his face and pressed himself into the ground so that he could breathe the thin layer of air beneath the smoke cloud. The fire rushed over him and he survived. The other 13 members of the crew hadn't heard his order to do the same. They all died.

    The song Cold Missouri Waters is based on that event.

    (Note: There are a lot of bands that covered that song, but I like the cover by Cry Cry Cry the best, so that's the one I linked to. They also do a really good cover of REM's Fall on Me.)

  7. Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by davecrusoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without having read the study, my contribution is that it's still early to concede that any particular part of the brain is the center of creativity, or that psychology actually has a specific definition for creativity.

    My own work focused on a different squiggly piece of cortex, called the Prefrontal Cortex, that is implicated in a range of abstract thinking processes, including those that don't seem to emerge until later adolescence.

    The good Doctor does seem to have an important insight in his work, which is that the locus of creativity (probably) starts much earlier than a thought present in our conscious mind.

    One possible idea is that our brain is constantly combining and recombining disparate data stored in memories; the presence of a creative thought is a novel combination that, when applied to a specific problem, results in a novel and perhaps workable solution.

    And, in finishing, I would agree that short-term training is unlikely to produce creativity, unless a) the training is extremely specific and b) the test is extremely specific, in which case I would wonder whether we're measuring creativity.

    Overall, however, scientific processes (MRI, etc) are so rough that it will be quite some time before we're able to actually "explore" and "find" the center of whatever creativity really is, and identify how it differs from other, more pedestrian thought processes.

    Cheers,
    --Dave

    1. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have a "specific definition for creativity", how can you judge what counts as a "pedestrian thought process"?

      Lets say I'm siting in a calculus class, looking at the clock, bored and daydreaming. Sound familiar?

    2. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Without having read the study, my contribution is that it's still early to concede that any particular part of the brain is the center of creativity, or that psychology actually has a specific definition for creativity.

      Ditto on not reading the article. I do however read a lot of Scientific American in it's various flavors. And I encourage you all to read SciAm: Mind Volume 19, Number 5, Oct/Nov 2008: Page 67. It's an article on how "colorful scans have lulled us into an oversimplified conception of the brain as a modular machine". Quite simply to try and suggest there is a creativity center when so many processes in the brain can be involved, and with as little as we really know, is as absurd to me as announcing they found a copy of the "Windows Task Manager" in the brain.

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    3. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One possible idea is that our brain is constantly combining and recombining disparate data stored in memories

      Sounds a lot like dreams to me!

    4. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Hmmm....*hooks up brain-USB interface*


      $ cd /brain
      $ ls -al TASKMAN.EXE
      -rwxrw-rw- 1 morgan users 15360 2001-08-23 08:00 TASKMAN.EXE

      Hmmmm...very curious. This one appears to be from Windows XP...

      Explains a lot I suppose...

    5. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by davecrusoe · · Score: 1

      Oh, definitely -- there are some tremendous articles on this same subject. See: "Education and the Brain: A Bridge Too Far" for another example ( http://www.jsmf.org/about/j/education_and_brain.htm ) that's fantastic. Cheers, --Dave

    6. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing you have to remember is that those colourful scans are basically showing p-values. The coloured bits are the parts that are statistically associated with some stimulus to some significance threshold.

      fMRI can't even image anything except change, and even then, if you look at the raw data you get something MUCH more complex than the neat little statistical blobs.

    7. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Dr.+Winston+O'Boogie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The most important part pointed out here: how can you look for "creativity" until you first define it?

      The simplest thought could be creative for a given person given their experiences and the exact same thought for someone else would not be deemed creative due to a different set of experiences. How then can anyone judge the "creativeness" of a thought without having a complete knowledge of the entire past experiences of a person?

    8. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1

      Overall, however, scientific processes (MRI, etc) are so rough that it will be quite some time before we're able to actually "explore" and "find" the center of whatever creativity really is, and identify how it differs from other, more pedestrian thought processes.

      I find the entire subject rather dehumanizing. We are constantly being further reduced to mere chemicals. Due to certain institutions and a desperate society, drugs now replace life experience and the freedom to choose anything for ourselves. The Borg is a vision of future human beings.

      Some people actually want that. Nerds and government both strive for it.

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    9. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overall, however, scientific processes (MRI, etc) are so rough that it will be quite some time before we're able to actually "explore" and "find" the center of whatever creativity really is, and identify how it differs from other, more pedestrian thought processes.

      Creativity is a big ugly word, as much as words like that have very poor definitions. So, I imagine gathering descriptions of creativity might be helpful to someone.

      The types of creativity that get the most glory, like art or music, are abstract. No problem is being solved, just random things arranged in a pattern that is perceived as having meaning to the observers. I have a vague notion that art leads the observer to find a difference or similarity between things. The experiences and knowledge of the observer are projected onto the thing they observe. It's those, and more. But, to make a blunt analogy, I think art is like a contagious piece of the artist's thoughts, that a susceptible audience can catch.

      For me though, I mostly have experience solving software and engineering problems. There's always a solution (the elegant ones, and the "bad" ones: none/waiting, or making the problem worse). In reality problems change, solutions are the force that steers them to their destination. Practical creativity is knowing a good path or pattern, before arriving at an outcome. I'm sure somebody would argue this isn't creative (those "real" artists), but creativity has many purposes and how it's applied becomes its definition, imho.

      As a side note, I was disappointed by the Brain Workshop testing software. A sharp memory is not a requirement for being creative. My memory's a bottomless cesspit of incoherent junk, because I've learned so many types of things in no particular order over the span of my life, and many things I'd rather forget. Despite that, I pull nuggets of gold out of my thought-spaghetti on a regular basis. So much for garbage-in, garbage-out.

    10. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, yeah, scientists found Task Manager in the mind of a research subject, but before they could read the commit charge, they got a BSOD. Guy's still drooling, from what I've heard..

      Beware the powers of science!!

    11. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 1

      Wait, let me hook mine up too

      $ cd /brain
      $ ls
      dev core.10002 core.10003 core.10004 core.10005 core.10006
      $ cd dev/
      $ ls -lha
      drwxr-xr-x 22 kooty users 4.0K 2008-10-14 10:18 .
      drwxr-xr-x 22 kooty users 4.0K 2008-10-14 10:18 ..
      crw-rw-rw- 1 kooty users 1, 8 2008-10-06 18:29 random

      AHA! That explains it :)

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    12. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by leomekenkamp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I am puzzled by your comment. Why is getting to know your inner workings 'dehumanizing'? I find it quite the opposite: we are by nature curious to know how things work, also how our own bodies work. Our brain is just one part of our bodies, a significant part, but still a part; why would we want to know how our hart works but not how our brain works?. Where would you draw the line in knowing how we function?

      We are constantly being further reduced to mere chemicals.

      No, we are not reduced in any way: we stay the same. The models that describe how we work are being refined so that we can treat diseases and improve on the quality of life. Knowledge about ourselves changes.

      drugs now replace life experience and the freedom to choose anything for ourselves

      Drug use is common throughout human history; using plants, herbs and mushrooms for instance to treat diseases, prevent pregnancy and enter different states of consciousness has been a part of human societies since the prehistory.

      The Borg is a vision of future human beings.

      Yes, so are (were?) The Jetsons. The Borg are an oversimplification of how we might develop; that vision was created to enjoy ourselves, just like stories about the boogieman and Nightmare on Elm St. Knowing how we work has nothing to do with enslavement. More the opposite, I reckon.

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    13. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we are just brains with a lot of complicated chemical processes, aren't we? Some people believe in a soul, but that's mainly because of religions. I don't think there's anything more than the physical representation. Drugs are a different problem, I don't know why you mention them.

    14. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by rizole · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link to Windows Task Manager there. I can't believe I've been hanging out on /. for so many years and no one's mentioned it before! Such a wonderful resource, how did I ever cope with out it before?

      In the spirit of reciprocation; did you know Windows comes with a built in Calculator. Marvelous stuff.

      You can access it by clicking on that Start do-hicky and erm...Programmes and...well you sound like an intellegent sort of guy, you'll find it.

    15. Re:Neuroscience, creativity and the brain by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if humour plays a big role in creativity.

      I believe humour is made when you make unexpected connections in your mind. That's partly why hearing the same joke over and over isn't funny anymore, or why not all jokes are funny to everyone.

      Of course, laughter feels good as does making others laugh.

      Seeking out more of that good feeling drives us to make new connections that make ourselves and others laugh. In the process, we come up with creative ideas.

      Do you have any thoughts on this?

  8. So what would happen if... by Securityemo · · Score: 1

    So what would happen if this region was destroyed? Would you be unable to assemble any information at all? The mechanism of assembling information from disparate parts seems to me like a fundamental feature of consciousness, so would such a person be basically reduced to a parrot, only capable of following orders?

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    1. Re:So what would happen if... by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      I can't comment on that specific question, but it has been shown time and time again that patients with damaged areas of the brain often compensate with other areas. Or say you go blind, previous grey matter associated with vision related processing and tasks rather quickly is appropriated to other tasks more essential.

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    2. Re:So what would happen if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      More complicated than that. And, nothing's localized so precisely that you can selectively remove one function completely while leaving all others intact.

      What the article doesn't mention (out of scope, really) is that they've found differences between the hemispheres when it comes to this kind of creative thought. Specifically, they've found that remote associations between concepts (things that are related but in an abstract way you'd rarely think of) cause activity in the right-hemisphere parts, whereas local associations (use the scissors to cut the paper) are localized to the left hemisphere. Destroying someone's right temporal lobe might impact this kind of thought - but I'd bet that the person would be surprisingly normal regardless.

      'assembling information' is kinda abstract, and something they don't have a great handle on yet. Consciousness and the brain (with associated ethical restrictions) are awfully difficult things to reverse-engineer.

    3. Re:So what would happen if... by mikael · · Score: 1

      I would imagine it would be like when someone tries to pull several "overnighters" where they work late each night until they are completely mentally exhausted, and end up writing garbage code. They make connections, but the wrong ones, so they end up coming in the next day, looking at the design, and wondering what on earth they were trying to achieve with twenty lines of glue code, when a handful of functions was all that was required.

      There was guy who had his hypothalamus destroyed due to ill health. This meant he was unable to remember what he had done 10 minutes ago. Even when he wrote a hourly diary, he still found it impossible to believe that he had been doing anything earlier in the day.

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    4. Re:So what would happen if... by Sanat · · Score: 2, Funny

      He also would hide his own easter eggs.

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    5. Re:So what would happen if... by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      nothing's localized so precisely that you can selectively remove one function completely while leaving all others intact.

      Tell that to Henry M's doctors. They might disagree with you that it's possible to go in and remove the ability to build new semantive declarative memories while sparing procedural & implicit ones.

  9. I love this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just for this little bit here:

    [The brain] shrinks and deteriorates with age. By the time you're 30 you're probably past your intellectual peak. This is a problem, as we're living longer and longer, and the danger is that we'll just get stupider and stupider.

    It's a particular problem for baby-boomers, the large, rich, spoilt generation born after the second world war.

    ... ah, delicious schadenfreude.

    1. Re:I love this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ... ah, delicious schadenfreude.

      When you're old and forgetful yourself, I'm sure they'll get the last laugh ;)

  10. ploop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to propose that creativity originates in the area of the brain involved in daydreaming. La di da, di da di da ... ploop pom pom ... ping! ... he he ... huh? oh. Right. (dissolve girl)

  11. Stupid scientists by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    Everyone KNOWS creativity comes from booze.

    1. Re:Stupid scientists by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Everyone KNOWS creativity comes from booze.

      If that's the case this game I've been making in RPG Maker XP is going platinum.

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    2. Re:Stupid scientists by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

      Everyone KNOWS creativity comes from booze.

      No, pot fosters creativity, and cigarettes help you keep your creativity focused. Alcohol helps you cope with your unrealized vision.

      Well, for writers, anyway . . . .

  12. It is that spot... by retech · · Score: 3, Funny

    most surrounded by THC and alcohol. Very easy to pinpoint.

  13. a spark of my genious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creativity... is take something old... aaand... to play with it... to break it apart, to twist it and to recombine it... until it sounds so fresh and so original... that not a single person would recognize the source! Ha!

  14. Re:Slashdot go Braindead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could mean stress is bad for creativity. And being creative about creativity could be stresssful.

  15. Creativity by Sanat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It is my impression that often creativity comes from the soul... far eclipsing the brain and the mind. How can something like this be inspired without coming from the Gods or from the God within us all?

    How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
    I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
    My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
    For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.
    I love thee to the level of everyday's
    Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
    I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
    I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.
    I love thee with a passion put to use
    In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
    I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
    With my lost saints, --- I love thee with the breath,
    Smiles, tears, of all my life! --- and, if God choose,
    I shall but love thee better after death.

    by Elizabeth Barrett Browning

    I have written code that defies logical explanation especially in the encryption/decryption arena. something inside told me to write a subroutine in a certain way and if by magic insight was gained thus allowing for the next step.

    I follow my heart in all decisions I make even when my logical self is decrying another avenue.

    --
    And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make
    1. Re:Creativity by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I follow my heart in all decisions I make even when my logical self is decrying another
      > avenue.

      This is very, very clear. Unfortunately, you are far from alone in this.

      --
      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    2. Re:Creativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It is better to have coded and lost, than not to have coded at all.

      New John Hasler (828484)

  16. "We know insight does not come from the sky." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we?

  17. And once they pinpoint it... by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They can stop it... FOREVER!

    Or not, but you know there are some rather large and rather vocal groups out there who would rather humanity not be as creative as it is...

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:And once they pinpoint it... by leomekenkamp · · Score: 1

      Well, since something like the common cold has evaded us for so long, I guess it will take a long, long time before someone can stop all creativity in all humans. And before that really happens, some creative souls will probably find some way around it.

      --
      Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
  18. Correct. Crick took LSD and saw DNA structure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life

    BY ALUN REES

    FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

    The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

    Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

    See http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/francis_crick_dna_lsd.html

  19. Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by Atari400 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hi,

    I have bipolar disorder, a reasonably high IQ, and count myself as a creative person. It's difficult to describe how it feels to come up with something new, sometimes someone will just explain a problem to me, and I'll say straight away, "have you tried...." and they'll just look at me. It's kind of instant analysis and solution - I don't know where it comes from. When I was studying for my degree, I would try and come up with solutions that were non-standard, but still worked, just because I thought that was more interesting. At other times I'll get a sense that there's an answer wrapped up in the problem, one that no one else has found, but I have to really sit down and think about it. The longest I've thought about a problem (and come up with a solution) is 24 years. Of course, that was on and off thinking. It felt great when I got the answer.

    --
    IBM doesn't play chess with the Universe.
    1. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever tried medication for your disorder?

      I also suffer from bipolar and find that every time I try and medicate I lose all of this creative energy...

      I would love to hear your experience and thoughts on this matter.

    2. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by ookabooka · · Score: 1

      Hi,
      I also have bipolar disorder and a reasonably high IQ and consider myself a creative person but I'm not a poser, I swear :). I definitely identify with your statement about problem solving. I also come up with non-standard solutions to problems either because I find them novel and thus entertaining, or because standard solutions don't apply. I think the biggest difference between me and other people when it comes to problem solving is I have a fairly well tuned heuristic way of solving things. I can look at a piece of code and literally have an emotional response as to what is causing the problem, without any logical analysis at all. Everyone turns to me and says "How'd you do that?" and I can only respond "No idea". Some things require a more fine tuned and precise approach, which I definitely sit down and think about for a while. If my "guesses" (what you call instant analysis and solution) of what is wrong with code is incorrect I do standard debugging techniques.

      Obviously, this style of problem solving applies to damn near everything, not just code. Interestingly enough, something else I find myself doing more than others is making analogies in an attempt to apply knowledge from one area to something more unfamiliar to me. A good example is how I anthromorphized my car to solve a problem; keep in mind, at the time I knew nothing about cars. One time, my car was making nasty noises. Every time I hit the gas, it would make a metallic grinding noise. I felt as though my car was in pain, and pain is a sign that something is wrong and could get worse. Couldn't ignore it. I opened up the hood and started making analogies, the engine was the heart, the belt coming off the engine and connected to the other things in there was the circulatory system and made an educated guess that it was coming from this one thing, which I deducted was the AC compressor by comparing it to what I knew of dehumidifier compressors. My AC stopped working a long time ago so this made sense. AC is not vital to a car operation, so this was like an appendix which was just a little infected (nonfunctional AC) turning into a massive inflammation which could cause problems to more vital areas. I had to remove it; didn't have the money to get fancy drugs to make it normal again (buy a new compressor). I decided that I had to disconnect it from the circulatory system first so I replaced the timing belt with a smaller one that bypassed the AC. After removing the fuse for it the AC posed no risk now as it was disabled and almost completely isolated from the other components under the hood. Worked like a charm.

      I did that w/o consulting anything and knew next to nothing about the stuff under the hood of the car. Most of those analogies were subconscious and just "vibes". I can look at something I know nothing about and come up with fairly good solution. Obviously, I certainly make my fair share of errors :-p I think my "guesses" are just a good place to start my logical analysis.

      I think my brain just works differently than others. Most people have Intel, some have AMD, but I have Sparc. Stuff may segfault on Intel and not AMD, both Intel and AMD, but a Sparc may flourish when AMD and Intel both segfault. Unfortunately, due to AMD and Intel's popularity, being a Sparc is hard, people don't like going out of their way to accommodate you even if you have plenty to offer.

      In conclusion, creativity is a funny thing, I suspect it has a lot to do with connecting the dots between various areas of knowledge. Applying math to music, engineering to medicine, emotion to paint, etc. Maybe people with bipolar are good at that because their wires are crossed :) Perhaps this research can be applied to bipolar research during (hypo)manic phases to form something more concrete.

      --
      If you are about to mod me down, keep in mind that this post was most likely sarcastic.
    3. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by leomekenkamp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As the poster above me already commented, there seems to be a connection between being bipolar and creativity. I do not know if you can watch BBC programs, but Stephen Fry (of "A Bit Of Fry And Laury (*)" comedy fame) is bipolar as well and highly creative (at times). He made a series of TV programs about it, talking to people with the same 'disorder'. I only saw one, but found it very fascinating.

      If you have not seen it, I would certainly suggest getting your hands on it.

      (*): That's Hugh Laury, who now plays dr. House in the US TV series "House".

      --
      Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
    4. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      So, how did that work out for you, finding answers in ways the prof wasn't teaching, boss wasn't expecting, etc.?

      Me, personally, it got me smacked around by about 9/10 "authority figures" that I tried it with. It's a rare individual that doesn't feel threatened by something they don't understand, especially when it makes them feel somehow inferior. I've had the best luck working with doctors who have transcended the post med-school god complex, know that they are secure in their position, and appreciate things that they might use to distinguish them (further) in their field.

    5. Re:Bipolar disorder and creativity - my experience by Atari400 · · Score: 1
      Hi,

      To answer the questions raised:

      I do feel less creative on medication, but I have had such unpleasant experiences from this illness (prior to diagnosis and treatment) that I prefer the medication to the loss of creativity. I have type I bipolar disorder, and it is quite severe, so choosing medication or not is not really a difficult choice. I don't know whether the lessening of creativity is due to the decrease in my mood swings, or due to the medication effecting some other brain function that is responsible for creativity. I take Lithium and Sodium Valproate, they're not so bad.

      The Kay Redfield Jameson book "Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament" makes a good case for a link between bipolar disorder and creativity, though unfortunately many of the people given as examples are dead, and therefore difficult to investigate first hand.

      Georg Cantor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor is one of my favorite candidates for a creative bipolar individual. I've been interested in his work for a while.

      I do suffer from a number of cognitive deficits, I have very bad visual processing and visual memory - when I collect my daughter from an airport I will falsely recognize other people as her, which is disconcerting to everyone involved.

      As for problem solving in general, one thing that I should have mentioned, if I'm not feeling too hot, I'm not going to be interested in problem solving. The only way round this is if someone manages to motivate me into being interested, or if it's a "startling" problem - one that shakes me out of my blue mood.

      I saw some of the episode's Steven Fry made, I think it was called "The secret life of the manic depressive". It was interesting in that he "outed" himself on TV, which even now is a brave thing to do.

      As for how it worked out for me at Uni., well, I had a reputation even then as being "slightly" eccentric, but I was fortunate enough to do a degree in Computer Science. If the code solved the problem, had comments and documentation, had been designed and could be tested, there wasn't much to argue about.

      I've found things a little different in the working world. But it's not necessarily a problem, what I like is having the idea itself, even if no one picks up on it, or it's dropped, I still got that a-ha moment, and for me that's a lot of what it's all about.

      On the whole, and if I had the choice, I would prefer not to have it, but as I do, I just have to get on with things and carry on regardless.

      --
      IBM doesn't play chess with the Universe.
  20. That is actually well known phenomenon by S3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Creativity and bipolar disorder was studied lately, and it seems there is some correlation. Cognitive deficits in bipolar disorder seems insignificant or absent. Generally mental disorder often associated with super-creative people, and not only artistic. Goedel and arguably Perelman come to mind.

  21. Pinpointing Creativity In the Brain by roger2008 · · Score: 1

    The Times Online has a lengthy story about the work being done to solve mysteries regarding the brain and various aspects of neuroscience. They discuss some of the "brain-training" myths and look at the quest to determine when and where creative thought originates. Quoting: "In fact, the whole process seems to be centred on one small part of the brain: the anterior superior temporal gyrus. This seems to be the point at which bits of information stored far apart in the brain are brought together. This may be an important clue as to how the brain organises itself. Roger The Social Bookmarking

  22. Noisy brains? by VoidCrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exeriments on neural nets suggest that a trained net may generate 'ideas' based in its training if the 'neurons' are deliberately somewhat noisy.

    Some drugs make some people more creative. Weed has that effect on me... is it just ramping up the background neural noise level?

    My brother, who is Mister Focus with respect to my Miss Random, gets little or no effect from weed. Quote: 'It gives me a slight buzz; that's all'.

    Anyone ever done an MRI study on the effects of drugs?

  23. "Dr Joydeep" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good lord.

  24. To quote Principal Skinner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I heard there was a student displaying inititive and creativity and I'm here to put a stop to it!"

    Now, is not that really the goal of our public school system?