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Resurrecting the Mighty Mammoth, Cheaply
somanyrobots writes with an interesting followup in the New York Times to the earlier-reported substantial reconstruction of the woolly mammoth genome: "Scientists are talking for the first time about the old idea of resurrecting extinct species as if this staple of science fiction is a realistic possibility, saying that a living mammoth could perhaps be regenerated for as little as $10 million. The same technology could be applied to any other extinct species from which one can obtain hair, horn, hooves, fur or feathers, and which went extinct within the last 60,000 years, the effective age limit for DNA." (The Washington Post article linked from the earlier post was much more skeptical, calling such an attempt "still firmly the domain of science fiction." The New York Times article, while describing the process in similar terms, also calls attention to recent advances in sequencing DNA, as well as recoding DNA for cloning.)
Anyone got some amber they want to sell?
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Yo mamma so fat, it'd cost 10 billion to clone her!
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Only fools would take it as fact.
We may well need an army of Mammoths to fight the mutant tool-equipped space spiders from that other earlier story. $10 million is a small price to pay to save humanity from the giant space webs.
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As little as 10 million? Sounds our tax dollars are being put to good use.
What about the animal? The poor thing will be the only one of its species in existence. No chance of reproduction (unless it's close enough to an elephant to mate), no herd to grow up in, no point to its life other than for us to ooh and aah over.
Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
Aren't we missing the "disk drive", that is, the womb and whatever else surrounded the DNA (egg?). Or has the "drive" changed little enough that current "models" will work? It seems a problem, sort of like archiving a bunch of data and including plans for the drive needed to read the disk it's encoded on, but of course you need the drive before you can read the plans to construct one. (sorry for not using a car analogy)
I am completely fine with them doing this as long as they use the FSV and somehow get unix to run on a thinking machines.
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man, you americans must be swiming in cash... "only 10 million". This will be called the mamoth bailout
Bringing back the Wolly Mammoth back from extinction to me brings up some interesting moral questions...
Namely, if this 10,000 year old species were to order a grand slam at Denny's, would the store be obliged to give in the senior citizen discount?
Not only can scientists resurrect the mammouth, but timothy has successfully recreated a post from all of two an a half hours ago.
I, for one, welcome our new mammoth-breeding overlords.
Then they could make a live action Ice Age 3
Well, the first few we resurrect will be interesting and a tourist attraction and all that, but once the public is used to them there has to be a practical application.
Mammoth Burgers sound good to me :)
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Mammoth ribs :)
*goes back to watching Flintstones*
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The article hints at the possibility of bringing back other species, but doesn't elaborate. We have museum specimens of other extinct species such as the passenger pigeon, Carolina parakeet, and ivory-billed woodpecker, and those are certainly much more recent (all 3 species went extinct within the last century). Doesn't this open up the possibility of bringing back a few of these species, too?
The Washington Post article linked from the earlier post was much more skeptical, calling such an attempt "still firmly the domain of science fiction."
The Washington Post wouldn't know sci-fi if it came up and slapped them in the face, otherwise all they'd be writing is sci-fi . . .
Oh, wait . . .
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
is, from the same story, relegated to second interest, for some reason, the idea of resurrecting a neanderthal, the same way as the woolly mammoth. using chimpanzee as the starting cell lineage rather than human, for ethical considerations of course
but this guy won't be dumb. somebody will have to explain to him he's not the last of his kind... he is the 50,000 year old cloned reconstruction of his kind
weird, lonely, and possible on our lifetime
very cool, very freaky
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here.
But, then i thought, "Why not regenerate limbs for victims of accidents, assaults, and diabetes-related amputations?"
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Of course that's fascinating, but what would they do with a mammoth? Polar bears are becoming endangered because of rising temperatures and mammoths have disappeared, supposedly because the climate was too warm. They'll have to build a large freezer to keep the beast alive--Jurassic Park meets Frosty the Snowman--or they might not find a place cold enough on Earth for that purpose.
What about the Dodo? Any bits left?
That's a strange coincidence they're talking about this JP-like experiment a few weeks after Michael Crichton's death. Posthumous humour?
The only thing we need is to find the one gene that actually cause "big mammoth hairs" and implant it to elephant.
That way we could have some good music to listen to again at least....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
It's far from certain that mammoth died out simply from climate change. Take a look at this link: http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html Mammoth survived thousands of years beyond what most people think, into historic times (1700 b.c) It was a place that man didn't reach (hmmm...coincidence?), but Wrangel Island was too small to support a large population of them. It seems that wherever man went, large animals encountered "climate change". I don't doubt that climate was an issue, but nor do I doubt that man was either.
Think food, and "tourism." It's working with farming bison, an animal which was almost extinct. The meat is leaner than regular beef and sells well, but the real money comes from hee-haws with large-calibre weapons who like shooting big hairy cows in open fields. Imagine how much money they'd shell out to blow away a woolly mammoth.
And for the record - whoever came up with the "jurassicbabar" tag, I love you.
let's make a whole herd
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but who said we only had to make one?
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Mr. President, we must not allow a mammoth gap.
It's called "Billy and the Cloneasaurus"
Now we can get Neanderthal DNA and create an army of slaves for when the oil runs out.
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Quick, tell the fundies that they can get the DNA from the Shroud of Turin and, for $10,000,000, they'll have the second coming!
They can also get DNA from one of the millions pf pieces of the cross that are floating around (there's enough pieces of the cross to build a fleet of arks, but that's another story - must be the old "loaves and fishes" trick writ large).
How many people would like to own a clone of Jesus? Or for Catholics - a special - a clone of Mary - you can be the first to Fuck the Mother of God!!! Create a Jesus that has YOUR DNA!!! Only $10,000,000.00
And for atheists - imagine being able to tell Jesus to STFU in PERSON! $10 a head, come on ....
Stephen Baxter's Behemoth is an omnibus of three books which deal with mammoths. The third book is actually about mammoths being genetically engineered back into existence, and there is actually one individual who is halfway between elephant and mammoth. Very cool books.
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
Genetic expression is far more complex than we even imagined just a few years ago. Giving scientists a DNA map to use to recreate the organism would be like giving hurricane refugees a set of blueprints and telling them to go build their house...it takes more than the plans, it takes tools, skills, abilities, transcription information and techniques that simply do not exist and, in the case of transcription information, will never exist. This is all just PR with the wooly mammoth as a sexy icon. Who gets the money? That's where to look...
Because most amputees would probably not want their missing limbs replaced with mammoth legs?
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Man just lived and existed, there was no idyllic eden like harmony. change occurs constantly, that ole evolution thing. Where man goes or is, change happens. Same as where these mammoths went (five tons of pachyderm beef can cause some localized disruption, just like elephants today cause deserts eventually by tearing down trees) We fought and killed and caused whoops forest fires and so on, made creeks run dirty from digging clams and mussels on the banks, caused erosion from harvesting tubers, changed the balance of the local flora by starting agriculture, took food from other animals by that same reason, ate the other animals, skinned critters to make our clothes and shelters, all of that stuff. If you mean just living feral as being in harmony, you still can, it's quite possible, just back away from the keyboard and go for it, I did it for several years, was quite a hoot actually. I consider it a large part of my education and what makes me appreciate life better and helped establish my sense of ethics and morals (not to get too schmaltzy about it). Took more than a few skills and some dam' good luck as well, nature plays no favs, you are allowed to screw up *badly* on occasion.
With that said,there are probably way more than a billion people still live close to totally feral around the planet still.
My short report on my "research experiment": The slickest thing in civilization today, one that most folks in the developed world take for granted and don't appreciate near enough, is clean running water from the tap. Everything else is nice, electricity is swell, gadgets are fun, supermarkets rock, but clean running water is *simply great*.
And I'd take a mammoth pair to add to my herd here, just give me year's notice so I can adjust the fencing a little better.....
Instead of fretting about the long-gone mammoth, why don't we prevent the extinction of thousands of plant, fish and animal species that is occurring EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR due to HUMAN ACTIVITY?
you had me at #!
Forget rides to the space station or owning an electronic car company... the new must-have for tech multi-millionaires should be having your own herd of resurrected extinct species.
Somebody call Sergey and Larry and see if they can spare $10mm. Just don't fly the 767 for a few weeks and that'll save enough for the effort.
Then call Elon Musk and see if he wants to recreate the dodo or the Tasmanian tiger.
Or we make it trendy for celebrities -- forget adopting babies from Africa, the new trend is adopting and recreating extinct species! Get Angelina on board and everyone else will follow.
"The same technology could be applied to any other extinct species from which one can obtain hair, horn, hooves, fur or feathers, and which went extinct within the last 60,000 years, the effective age limit for DNA."
Well, the mammoth technology works because they can implant the fertilised egg into an elephant, which is a close relative of the mammoth.
What happens when you try to clone a Tasmanian tiger? Where do you put the fertilised egg? Tasmanian devils are probably the most closely related, but still very different. They are marsupials, so probably not such a huge issue carrying the foetus.
I would love to see an emu trying to crap out a Moa egg though? There are limitations to this technology. It won't work for any extinct animal for which DNA exists.
But for my money, the clone I would most like to see is Otzi everyone's favourite ice-man.
If the pattern goes 9am, 10am, 11am, why isn't noon 12am?
That'd be easier to deal with. Plus all the scientists on the project could have the best Thanksgiving ever.
What about the Dodo? Any bits left?
Save the dodo, extinct the coelacanth.
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These scientists have no regard to language preservation.
MWO? Why would you think I'm proposing fusing human and mammoth and giving humans hairy legs? I'm proposing trying to get back to prosthetics or chemically-bathed donor parts or full-blown own-cloned parts.
But, i guess i could concede to your supposition, since "everybody has a price" might be in play here... might help out hollywood not have to own so many hair costumes...
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> Why would you think I'm proposing fusing human and mammoth and giving humans hairy legs?
Because I see no other possible connection with this story?
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Already got that covered: Northern Siberia.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
bring Michael Crichton back! ... man that post anonymously button looks pretty good right now... oh well
I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
It's always been one of my goals in life to steal the shroud of Turin (which is almost certainly NOT the burial cloth of Jesus, since it's only a thousand or so years old), extract DNA from it and create a clone.
Then raise that clone without subjecting it to the child-abusing brainwashing of church, teach it REAL science, not that made up christian science crap, and unveil an atheist Jesus to all the bible-thumpers of the world!! What a ruckus that would be.
Steve: Now this'll scare you. Now this- Karl you will be a little bit unnerved about this. Have you seen the film Jurassic Park?
Karl: Yep.
Steve: You know what happened there? Well according to The Sun here it says scientists are planning to clone mammoths for a theme park. Look at his face, look at that he looks like a dog caught in the headlights of a car, he's terrified.
Ricky: I love Karl.
Steve: He's sprung to attention there.
Ricky: I love Karl. I love- is that- is that the best news you could have?
Karl: Man-moths?
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bank their tissue, and then resurrect as needed. we could have saved the baiji ;-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_River_Dolphin
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We insert a few elephant genes and BINGO! Mammoth DNA
Cool! Amazing Toys.
To what extent does the epigenome complicate all of these dreams? Or for that matter, are you really recreating a species if you have not created a cultural context for that individual given that mammoths and Neanderthals are both very cultural creatures?
What makes you so sure its us?
Frogs aren't going extinct because of humans but because of spores that get stuck on the frogs skin and attack it. When this happens the frogs reaction is that its skin thickens. A frog breaths through its skin so as this skin gets thicker is suffocates to death.
Again with your fish argument, it's more believable however over 70% of this planet is covered in water and we have explored less then 10% of it. What makes you so sure the fish just haven't moved somewhere else?
I've frequently advocated that the current generation animal I would most like to eat is the elephant. This is primarily because it is the most related to the mammoth.
I figure that during the modern human's evolutionary cycle is when we developed our innate sense of what tastes "good" and what tastes "bad".
Those that felt items that best guaranteed our survival were tasted "good" most likely survived. The others did not.
For example, sugar can give us immediate energy. That helps survival. Of course, most of us think sugar is really quite tasty.
When modern man was evolving, mammoth was the meat of choice. Thus, those most disposed to eating mammoth survived and passed on their pro-mammoth genes. Since mammoth has become extinct: 1. the timescale is less than that for evolution to modify, and 2. mankind has pursued non-survival-of-the-fittest survival routines due to morals (i.e. helping the helpless, a noble pursuit in my opinion).
Thus, we are possibly pro-eating-mammoth genetically selected. It might taste like crap, but likely it is really good. But I'm at least wanting to have one bite of an animal that might be the best tasting meat of all, due to my genetic heritage. [Enter Vegan Flame Wars Here, but Meat Is Yummy.]
I'll let you know, if I ever get the chance to take a bite out of the (unfortunately endangered) elephant, or the descendants of the cloned mammoth.
LOL, animals have been going extinct for millions of years. Probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of species. This is how the universe works ya smartypants.
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There is a huge moral issue here, and the idea of 'resurrecting any species' especially a mammal would not pass an ethics board. In Australia a few years back there was talk of doing resurrecting Tasmanian Tiger (Thylacine), where there is a great deal of information and dna material as the creature became extinct in 1936.
This is a basic 1st yr uni idea. Whilst it might be possible (or at least someday it might be), to 'create' a viable population would be stupidly expensive unless the animal shit gold and pissed oil.
[sound of something going over your head]
And he could make a fortune acting in GEICO commercials.
If one is made, would it then be considered an endangered species?
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According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs there was an attempt to recreate the extinct species of cow called an Auroch. The idea was to identify currently existing cattle that had partial Auroch ancestry and breed them, selecting for Auroch characteristics. Essentially you were building a gene pool that contained all the necessary genes mixed in with others, running everything through a filter and trying to just get the ones you wanted. They were partially successful
most reputable sources say its gone
maybe they can find some cadavers
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Only after we have lost our arms arguing with armed bears.
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This is probably a really good idea, but they must double their price and get a female along with a male, then get the herd, then make them reproduce over and over and then send them to the slaughter houses to be processed into steaks and hamburgers and then their left overs into hot dogs :) Im sure the cows would be happy and not have to take such a beating.
What about investing that money and effort in trying to save the thousands of species currently endangered of going extinct!
Forget the pony, just get me one of those.
there really is nothing but a tiny sliver of hope
and the chance someone, somewhere, has a corpse
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"limb" was a euphemism - he's not talking about legs.
Bring back the Tasmanian Tiger, we only wiped that one out a few decades back, DNA should be A1 :-D
here's your pony bro.
Jumbo Woolly - Mammoth.
A elephant barely alive.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.
We have the technology.
We have the capability to make the world's first bionic mammoth.
Jumbo Woolly will be that mammoth.
We can make him better than he was before.
Better, tuskier, fuzzier.
Prisencolinensinainciusol. Ol Rait!
...and while you're at it, screw the damned panda and polar bear too. It's called evolution. Either go with it, or go away. That's nature at its finest.
In the case of the panda, how is trying arbitrarily save a species because its cute (but refuses to adapt its diet or mate) any less than interfering with nature than cloning a mammoth?
Species come, species go. That, as they say, is life.
However as seen with other breeds of dogs there can be increasing problems with inbreeding if there are serious genetic defects in the ancestors.
I for one welcome our new Mammoth overlords...
...and our space spider overloards...
..but NOT the new Space-Web-Weaving-Lube-Squirting Mammoth overloards! You know it will happen! The Spiders and Mammoths will find a comprimise to fighting each other, mate, and their new offspring will focus on destroying all human life!
"Making" mammoths would give us the ability to.. umm... flavor them.
Buttery mammoth, Bananamammoth, Cinnamammoth, Fruity mammoth, Orange mammoth, Pear mammoth, Pineapple mammoth, Cotton candy mammoth, Wintergreen mammoth, Bitter almond mammoth, Vanilla mammoth with Swiss Mocha Chips & Blueberry Swirl, Chocolate mammoth with Chocolate Covered Coconut Bits & Marshmallow Swirl...
And that would be just the beginning.
I can't wait for the streets to be illuminated by phosphorescent, minty flavored, mini-mammoths.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I for one would say Yabba-Dabba-Doo to that.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
We'll bring them all back later.
Along with the saber-tooth tiger, dodo, Jesus, JFK and Elvis.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
China can 'buy' 1000 elephants, and then they can use 1000 different DNA sources, and make 1000 new mamoths every 3-5 years.
a better idea is to grow whale meat in a lab , so the japaneese can stop hunting those dinasaurs.
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They survived hotter temps 600 years ago, im sure they can now.
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... give me something to resurrect myself in the morning on time. *runs off to work*
Wait, we are still in "Intrepid Ibex"; then a J, a K, an L and then yeah: might well be the Mighty Mammoth.
Two would not have nearly enough genetic diversity to form a viable breeding population. I would suspect you would need several dozen for that at the very least, and that would be with controlled breeding to ensure as few inbreeding events as possible.
Ever heard of a buffalo jump?
American Indian "harmony with nature" involved causing a stampede of a whole bloody herd of buffaloes off a cliff, and eating the resulting mess. Except we're talking an age long before refrigeration, and I don't recall them having massive salt mines either, nor having invented making sausages... so most of that meat was left to spoil. They killed a (good portion of) a herd of buffaloes, when the tribe could eat maybe one or two before it all went rotten.
I'm sorry, but that's _not_ harmony with nature. And that generally applies to most tribes, when you look at their actual culture, and not just at superficial bullshit like "well, they worshipped bear spirits, how bad can they be?"
The average animist tribe's view of the world is that the world is there to provide that tribe with everything it needs. The role of, say, a bear spirit or buffalo spirit was basically to make sure that bears or buffaloes come to be hunted by the humans. Balance mostly meant appeasing the spirit so it will send more animals to the slaughter. The spirits gave them buffaloes, they give the spirits a token offering and some thanks, so it's balanced.
Roll that around in your head some more: they gave _nothing_ back to nature itself, and didn't actually care for that nature in any form or shape. They gave something back to the _spirits_.
It's no different than, say, a modern hunter praying to god for a deer to shoot, and giving thanks to god afterwards if he actually shot a deer.
But a modern hunter would still have some idea about nature preservation, and stuff like why you don't shoot them in certain seasons. Because you don't want to exterminate them. You still want to find some deer there next year too. An animist tribesman would expect that that's what those nature spirits _do_. That's their job. They're there to give you all the buffaloes you need. And if you could hunt a buffalo, well, that's because the spirits wanted you to, so no need to think about any kind of nature presevation any more. Except, of course, to give ample thanks. That's it. Balance is now preserved. And if next year you find no more buffaloes, well, it can't possibly be because you over-hunted them. It must be that you didn't give enough thanks to the spirits, or angered them in some other way.
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Yeah, but if they're made in China, then we'll discover they're put together with cheaper psychoactive glue, painted with lead paints, and some of them randomly catch fire, and we'll have to issue a recall. Bad idea ;)
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
That has to be the most unfair troll mod I've ever seen.
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It's so easy, a caveman could do it!
WikiPedia> During the 19th century, the species went from being one of the most abundant birds in the world to extinction.[5] At the time, passenger pigeons had one of the largest groups or flocks of any animal, second only to the desert locust. They became such a threat to farmers that in 1703 the Roman Catholic bishop of Quebec actually formally excommunicated the species.
I can't imagine the pigeons caring much, really.
Also, where does a mere bishop get the balls to excommunicate an entire species of his master's creation ?
What a depressingly stupid machine.
So, will we be able to clone Jesus within our lifetime for 100 millions bucks? No, I'm not religious. Thats the point!
Seriously, I think they're only hunting for more research funds. With this whole economical crisis out there noone is going to spend bilions only to resurrect mammoths. So they're requesting a modest 10mln bucks. If they have 75 percent of code (as stated in previous article) then it's not even close to be a mammoth. Human being differs from pig by 10 percent and they're missing 25 percent. Any single mistake can result in lethal mutation.
Furthermore they need to reverse aging process to get a healthy mammoth. I haven't heard of any method to do it.
Considering it I'd say that even 10 billions is far too optimistic.
Maybe within 10mln they can localize a piece of genetic code making mammoth hairy and inject it into standard elephant. If it looks like mammoth then who cares? Still, I can't see a big market for hairy elephants. Little too big for a house pet.
I wanna try a mommoth burger!
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It's funny that there is so much interest in bringing back mammoths, but not enough interest to prevent several current species from extinction.