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Computer For a Child?

jameswing writes "I am thinking of buying a UMPC, such as an Eee PC or a Wind for my son, and wanted to get input from Slashdot. He is almost 2 and really curious about our computers, and anything electronic. I want to foster this in him, without having him on my desktop or laptop. I also don't really like the idea of getting one of those cheap 'Learning Laptops' that have a tiny screen and are really limited. Does anybody have one that they use with their children? How sturdy is it? Will it stand up to a 2-year-old? If not, what are good alternatives? What are your thoughts? Suggestions?"

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  1. Oh, get over yourself by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your son is not a prodigy. At "nearly 2" he's about ready for playing "What sound does this animal make?" games. With you though, not with some electronic babysitter.

    This question is nonsensical. Come back in 3 years, and we can talk.

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    1. Re:Oh, get over yourself by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are a few games for OS X designed for

      Baby Safe II
      # Teaches the numbers and the alphabet with spoken words as the toddler presses keys.
      # Displays pictures of flowers and animals at random or when the space key is pressed.
      # Displays geometric shapes at random and when the mouse is clicked.

      Baby Banger
      Baby Banger fills the screen with a large white window where randoms sounds and shapes are displayed for young children to look at and identify. It can even speak the name of the shapes being displayed. The source code is included in the download.

      I'm sure there are Linux equivalents.

    2. Re:Oh, get over yourself by kbrasee · · Score: 5, Funny

      he's interested in anything that goes "ping"

      Well, teach him how to use ping then...

    3. Re:Oh, get over yourself by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's not curious about your computers, he's just trying to do whatever it is you're doing. If you were reading a newspaper he'd be "interested in newspapers". If you were peeling potatoes he'd be "interested in starchy tubers".

      From the sound of it you need to spend less time surfing the web and devote more time to the young person that YOU brought into the world.

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    4. Re:Oh, get over yourself by aetherworld · · Score: 5, Funny

      Baby Banger

      They should really consider getting a new name for their app...

    5. Re:Oh, get over yourself by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 5, Funny

      I suspect that is I were to use the OP's definition of being interested in "anything electronic," one of our dogs would fit it. Of course, she also eats her own poop.

    6. Re:Oh, get over yourself by phoomp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. A UMPC is way overkill for a 2yr old. When my daughter was 3, I was spending a lot of time working at home on my laptop. She was obsessed with it and insisted on pounding on the keyboard while I was working on it. To keep her from pounding on my shiny new laptop, I decided to get a toy laptop for her. Shopping around, I found many in the $60 range. Then I spotted an old used laptop for $30 and got that instead and put a bunch of kid-friendly software onto it. Kids don't need the latest and greatest, unless you're looking for an excuse to get the latest and greatest. Most software for kids still runs on 486 processors.

    7. Re:Oh, get over yourself by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your son is not a prodigy.

      I bet he's not an AOL either.

    8. Re:Oh, get over yourself by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 5, Funny

      ACK!

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    9. Re:Oh, get over yourself by value_added · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, teach him how to use ping then...

      To be fair, event adults can be impressed with a a machine that go ping

    10. Re:Oh, get over yourself by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed. I would suggest "Baby Beater" as a suitable alternative.

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    11. Re:Oh, get over yourself by johny42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, zombo.com.

    12. Re:Oh, get over yourself by spazdor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please forgive me my heinous crime of threadjacking, but I can't possibly reply to everyone so I'm just gonna aim for the top of the comments page.

      This question has provoked a flood of condescending "OMG, YOU WANT TO LOCK YOUR TODDLER IN A ROOM WITH A COMPUTER AND NEVER INTERACT WITH HIM EVER? LEARN TO PARENT, SHITFACE" type of comments, and they're dumb.

      Relax, guys. The OP didn't say anything about the level of involvement he wants to maintain with his kid's computer activities, he didn't ask you which laptop would make the best babysitter, he just asked about sturdiness and kid-friendliness.

      For all you know, his plan is to do all of the hands-on stuff that you're lecturing him on, play some blinky, noisy sheep-goes-baa games together, and he just doesn't want to clean burp goo out of his work laptop. Maybe his plan is to gradually expand the computer activities as the kid's skills and autonomy grow.

      I have noticed that Slashdotters, while not being an especially baby-having demographic themselves, are just full of haughty, authoritative-sounding advice about what kids need. Am I detecting some psychological projection here, or what?

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  2. C'mon...this is crazy! by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're joking, right? It sounds like this is more for you than for your son. Look, we all want our children to be interested in what we're interested in, but don't you think that this is a little overkill and a little pushy? All children are interested by lights and sounds, etc. but that doesn't mean that he is ready for his own real computer. Buy him one of those toy ones that make sounds and have big flashing lights, he'll like it better and when he breaks it, you'll only be out twenty bucks.

    1. Re:C'mon...this is crazy! by subnomine · · Score: 5, Funny

      The BMW M5 has a very simple computer system, just a single turn and push knob. Easy to learn.

  3. DEFINATELY the OLPC by SpaceGhost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a first day Give One Get One (G1G1) buyer of the OLPC, and although it certainly doesn't match the specs or convenience of the newer UMPCs, it is amazingly good at what it is designed for - an easy to use and super durable computer for children. Two is pretty young, they need to know not to smash the screen, but aside from that the OLPC has an excellent interface. There really isnt any competition. They just restarted the OLPC G1G1 on Amazon, but you can probably find one at a decent price on eBay - dont be in a rush and you'll get a good deal. You'll find it fun to play with too!

  4. Gen Two by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give him one of your old computers, an internet connection, and a Gentoo boot disk. Let him figure it out from there.

    Let's get realistic here. The kid doesn't read or even understand what the different keys on the keyboard are at this age. A conventional computer won't teach him that. Maybe you should set the bar within his reach for the next couple years. A toy computer that presents him with challenges that are appropriate for his cognitive level will be far more educational.

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  5. Getting ahead of yourself by KeithIrwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Two-year-olds are not old enough to understand how to treat things gently. I don't think it's possible to make a laptop that can stand up to a two-year-old unless you encased the whole thing (including the keyboard) in about a two-inch thick layer of plastic. Two-year-olds throw terrible tantrums. They're known for it. They'll often smash things up when they're angry. When my step daughter was two and upset, she ripped every page out of Blueberries For Sal. They don't understand the consequences of their actions. Whether or not he's curious about computers, age two is too soon. Wait, at least, until he gets to an age where he doesn't throw tantrums (which will probably be a little before age three if you don't make a practice of giving in when he throws tantrums and will probably be about age fifteen otherwise).

    At three, he'd at least be less likely to break it quickly. Personally, I'd probably wait until age four or so since he's more likely to have the needed cognitive skills to do things like recognize symbols at that age. But regardless of whether you wait until age three or age four, "almost two" is significantly too early for a computer.

  6. Wait until he can READ! Unbelievable... by Eganicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You need to "foster" Computer & Gaming interests in kids? Ever read the news? You need to force them to stop playing video games and DO HOMEWORK or go outside! You don't need to "teach" them to look at shiny blinking lights..... Why does this person as a parent frighten me?

  7. Along the same lines... by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have a nephew around the same age (slightly over two). He loves playing with my Nintendo DS and Mario 64 on the Wii (which, of course, he doesn't quite know how to control yet, but the freedom to just run around is fun even to him).

    What would be a good portable I could get him that would be more his age? I don't think he's a prodigy or anything, I just want to get him something fun.

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  8. Don't do it. Not yet. by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 5, Funny

    I learned to read with that age, which was considered a prodigy in my city (and a freak, BTW, in equal proportions).

    I really dug into encyclopedias, and was very interested in science. Until I stole a book from a dad's friend.

    It was COBOL. I was 4. Now I'm a sad CS teacher finishing my ph.D. in high-performance computing. And I have 12 euros in my bank account right now.

    Let him live. And when time comes, guide him to a law school.

  9. I have a 3 year old by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 5, Interesting

    he says he's going to 'check his email' and sits down at the computer. i dont know where he got that from. not me, cause i never say something like 'ima check my email'

    then he proceeds to remove keys from the keyboard. he's gotten quite good at this, even employing other objects as a lever to pop the keys off. i then find them scattered about the house, in his mouth, outside, in the toilet, in the refrigerator...

    if you have a child of this age, the only computers that are going to stand up to them are made by fisher price etc.

    i don't think it would be worth it until about 5 at the earliest

  10. Re:Too early for a "real" PC by RMH101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stick it in the bath? Eat the battery? Lick the power supply?

  11. Re:Too early for a "real" PC by east+coast · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you crazy? Do you realize how much a choking hazard keys are? I know ThinkPads are durable but they're not indestructible. Spend the 20 bucks on a toy that has the same intellectual return value. These toys are designed with the safety of a child in mind, a ThinkPad isn't.

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  12. Fish by Frankie70 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give the 2 year old a fish & you have fed him for today.
    Teach him how to fish & you have fed him for life.

    Why buy him a computer. Take him to Frys or something.
    Let him pick out the parts & make his own computer.
    Once he is done, point him to one of the Linux sources - he
    can build his binaries & install it.