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Fairpoint Pledges To Violate Net Neutrality

wytcld writes "Fairpoint Communications, which has taken over Verizon's landline business in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont, has announced that on February 6, 'AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third-party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third-party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.' Since Verizon spun off its lines to Fairpoint in a maneuver that got debt off of Verizon's balance sheets by saddling Fairpoint with it, there was concern by the public service boards of the three states about how Fairpoint would deal with that debt. Fairpoint's profit plan: force all Webmail users through Fairpoint's portal, by blocking all direct access to Webmail portals other than its own. Will Fairpoint's own search engine portal be next? What can stop them?"

249 comments

  1. I present by Sylos · · Score: 1

    the first of many. and not comments. I mean Fairpoint communications. How soon until it no longer matters whether or not someone wants network neutrality and the ISP's just don't follow through anyways?

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    1. Re:I present by BronsCon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      a not-first-post first-post? interesting.

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    2. Re:I present by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Informative

      I see this as an experimental issue from them, and that means that if they don't have an outrage from their users then it's OK to not have a net neutrality and that we soon will see others following them.

      Personally I think that they are shooting themselves in the foot just to later discover that they have burnt all their bridges.

      So in order to complain about this I think that anybody disagreeing should send an email to their contact email address: information@fairpoint.com.

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    3. Re:I present by Larryish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I think that they are shooting themselves in the foot just to later discover that they have burnt all their bridges.

      ...will they be up a creek without a paddle?

    4. Re:I present by nacturation · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see the problem with what Fairpoint is doing. They have every right to filter all communications through their portal if they so wish. I think Fairpoint's upstream providers should do the same so that we'll see this soon:

      A spokesperson from Level 3 Communications had the following to say, "We wholeheartedly endorse Fairpoint's limitations they are imposing on their Internet users by requiring them to access common webmail sites through the MyFairPoint.net portal." The spokesperson continued, "Following their example, we are pleased to announce that access to the MyFairPoint.net portal will only be allowed through the MyLevel3.net portal and are working with Fairpoint's other upstream providers to implement similar restrictions."

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    5. Re:I present by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...will they be up a creek without a paddle?

      Checkmate.

    6. Re:I present by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you read far enough down in the replies, you'll find out that the entire Slashdot story is completely bogus. They're shutting down access to Verizon's web portal. Users will get their ISP email from a different site. Users of MSN, Yahoo, etc. will no longer be able to use those services' IMAP support to get their email from Verizon because the company is no longer part of Verizon. Therefore, if they are using a third-party site to access their Verizon email, they will now have to use the Fairpoint webmail interface for their webmail.

      This, of course, raises questions about why they can't just use IMAP from the Fairpoint servers, which probably implies that the new Fairpoint service doesn't provide IMAP from outside the network, but while that would suck, it's hardly on the same scale as blocking web portals to dozens of web-based email services, some of which cannot realistically be re-served using a Fairpoint web front end because they don't provide IMAP..... The "violate net neutrality" interpretation of the article makes absolutely zero sense....

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    7. Re:I present by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or as Cacadril wrote right below this while I was composing my previous message, it may well be that the Verizon service provided integrated access to MSN/Yahoo/GMail from within their webmail and that they'll have to use the new ISP's version of that service instead of Verizon's because they're losing access to the Verizon portal. I find that explanation a little dubious since AFAIK MSN doesn't provide IMAP (making a Verizon-provided web front end difficult), but that is a million times more plausible an explanation than the ridiculous notion that an ISP would deliberately block access to MSN, Yahoo, and Google's webmail services....

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    8. Re:I present by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I wonder what the best way to screw them over for this nonsense would be? I'm not a customer and I never will be, so the best I can figure is to see if there's any way to get their lawyers to talk to Microsoft's about whether Fairpoint is confusingly similar to SharePoint.

      Maybe they could go sue each other and quit this nonsense...

    9. Re:I present by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not be explicit about the details involved, but you can set up an MSN-linked verizon email, accessible from both the Verizon portal and the MSN portal. The same thing is offered for Yahoo and AOL. The cost of a subscription to MSN, Yahoo, or AOL is added to your Verizon bill.

      If I'm understanding the matter correctly, these partner-linked accounts will no longer be accessible from the partners' web sites. I can't imagine that those partners will like that.

    10. Re:I present by FictionPimp · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought Net Neutrality was a bad thing and we should just trust that big business always have our best interests at heart.

    11. Re:I present by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I thinking of the lawsuit that is going to occur next. Two issues come to mind, the first is the constitutional issue of censorship, the other is the violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. I have a feeling that Fairpoint is going to "think" of something else in terms of revenue streams...

    12. Re:I present by pubwvj · · Score: 1

      You don't see a problem? Fairpoint has a monopoly. We have no other choice in providers. They control our access to the world through the internet. I have written to them and to all of my representatives protesting their move.

    13. Re:I present by el+americano · · Score: 1

      Wake up an smell the coffee. They're leading us down the primrose path. It's a fool's paradise...

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    14. Re:I present by Dolohov · · Score: 1

      OK, this makes sense -- but as a FairPoint customer who got their mailing announcing this move, it was far from clear that this is what was meant. Reading it on my own, it seemed to me that they were saying that they were going to be intercepting MSN and Yahoo traffic.

    15. Re:I present by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      Disconnect.. its the answer.. Business thinks consumers need to meet their needs.. not business meeting the needs of the consumers.

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  2. I don't think so, Tim. by Ceiynt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.

    1. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.

      Their and their, you stupid cunt.

    2. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      U lurned hyme!

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    3. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your penis is small. It's a shame there's no cure for your inadequacies.

    4. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.

      Their and their, you stupid cunt.

      Ewe mussed dye now.

    5. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      Not the best situation, companies doing whatever they want until someone complains.

    6. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by LoadWB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was hit by the irony of the company name. Anyway, if I understand this correctly, this is a win-win situation for Verizon.

      FairPoint forces all web mail systems to funnel through its own portal, thus generating ad-generated and direct-marketing revenue streams. With this they can quickly eliminate any remaining debt. (And, of course, there are surely technological means around this -- tunneling, and so forth.)

      Or they piss off customers and those who can switch to another provider, will. The company becomes insolvent or sells to someone else.

      Either way, the debt is already the problem of someone other than Verizon.

      Although, I think the bigger question is what happens to, and who safeguards, all of the data and personal information which will easily be harvested using a web mail proxy-portal?

    7. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      you know mentioning support lines gave me an idea. I don't think people would necessarily call their ISP's line owner to complain about a website not loading but how many calls do you think they'd get if people start snipping their infrastructure. All I've got to say is if a squirrel's teeth and then later some idiot with a chainsaw can take down the Appleton-Green Bay, Wisconsin fiber ring then a dozen people who passionately disagree with their practices can put 100 cuts in their network. It's got to come out of the ground somewhere and boy are those cuts hard to track down when there's just 1 of them. If every weekend your network gets cut in random places by pissed off customers and your uptime sinks from 99.99% to like 50% then guess how many support calls you're gonna get! I bet it'd be easy to convince them to stop hijacking internet services then if they get some anonymous letters saying taht's why their network is being destroyed.

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    8. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.

      i before e except after c.

    9. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't mind the haters. You are doing a valuable service in educating these idiots on correct spelling.

    10. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I was working for Verizon when they signed that deal. If Fairpoint doesn't hit certain revenue/profit targets (among other performance metrics), Verizon is actually on the hook to lay out some cash. So, it is in VZ's best interests for Fairpoint to be profitable and not fail.

    11. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by alc6379 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah... but I think that's called vandalism.

      I don't know if telecoms providers like this are subject to any type of laws about interfering with utilities, but I'm pretty sure even if you got the effect of decreasing uptime and causing them grief, you're probably going to wind up in some kind of serious legal trouble, and possibly be liable for the financial consequence of fixing those lines....

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    12. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Make sure a note of some kind is left at the break, so they know why it's happening. Otherwise, they will find something convenient to point a finger at.

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    13. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      An eye for an eye. They vandalize our internet, we vandalize their infrastructure.

      That said, I'm not in the area.

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    14. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although, I think the bigger question is what happens to, and who safeguards, all of the data and personal information which will easily be harvested using a web mail proxy-portal?

      That's the real business plan of course - they'll watch for secrets that can be used for blackmail, steal passwords, and get insider trading info. Just like other wiretappers.

    15. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slow down people. Anyone who has Verizon at home knows that they provide services from AOL, Yahoo, and MSN. It means THOSE CUSTOMERS who got their services from Verizon will be directed to FairPoint!!

    16. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by LoadWB · · Score: 1

      Ah, thank you for the clarification.

    17. Re:I don't think so, Tim. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Tor users are blocked from posting, but this (off-topic) troll and anti-/pro-*Nazi flamebait gets modded up. *facepalm* nvmnd

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  3. The customers may only speak with their dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and do not sign up with them. It sucks because there are many areas of the united states that have only one choice of service provider. I feel sorry for those stuck with this one.

  4. (un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Step 1.) Irritate your customers by reducing their connectivity, censoring the internet and trying to change their habits
    Step 2.) ????
    Step 3.) Profit

    1. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by BSAtHome · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, there is no secret sauce; let me have a crack at it for you:
      1) Irritate your customers by reducing their connectivity
      2) get into greater debt
      3) ask for Govt. bailout package
      4) profit
      5) get bought by competition to salvage the broken pieces
      6) more profit

    2. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by ionix5891 · · Score: 1
    3. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone have a car analogy?

    4. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Guil+Rarey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...pretty much, yeah.

      Which is why it took about exactly one encounter with Fairpoint customer dissservice for us to completely dump them as any kind of service provider whatsover and switch everything over to our cable provider.

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    5. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by ThatFunkyMunki · · Score: 0

      Union of Soviet Socialist Americas?

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    6. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Union of Soviet Socialist Americas?

      United Socialist States of America.

    7. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Blancmange · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the "Fair" in Fairpoint's name is a bit like the "Honest" in Honest John's Used Cars.

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    8. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      A lot of users in Fairpoint's area (including my parents) can't get cable. Verizon/Fairpoint is the only option for broadband ISP.

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    9. Re:(un)Fairpoint's Profit Plan by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Or the "works" part in "Microsoft Works".

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  5. what can stop them by portscan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    watching their customers dropping like flies...

    1. Re:what can stop them by Repossessed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How many of their customers are in areas with only one non dialup provider?

      I doubt this will last though, Fairpoint isn't big enough to stand up against MSFT's legal department, and the Tier 1 contract probably requires them to be a neutral provider.

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    2. Re:what can stop them by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I doubt this will last though, Fairpoint isn't big enough to stand up against MSFT's legal department, and the Tier 1 contract probably requires them to be a neutral provider.

      MSN and Yahoo *better* pay attention to this, because while it's only a possible 1.5 million right now, this opens the door to ISP blocking of all sorts of different on-line services that these Big Players are steaking their futures on.

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    3. Re:what can stop them by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      this opens the door to ISP blocking of all sorts of different on-line services that these Big Players are steaking their futures on.

      They're opening some kind of food website?

    4. Re:what can stop them by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      foodnetwork.com isn't working for some odd reason now...

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    5. Re:what can stop them by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I noticed that they didn't say a thing about GMail.
      I wonder if they are paying Microsoft and Yahoo something to keep the hounds at bay.
      Google has too much money right now to be messed with and too much riding on Net Neutrality to be paid off so I guess they will not be blocked. besides what if Google blocked Fairpoint users from Google search and YouTube until fairpoint unblocked gmail?

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    6. Re:what can stop them by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they are paying Microsoft and Yahoo something to keep the hounds at bay.

      Not nearly bizzare enough to be true. Now, MS paying Fairpoint to do this under the table, so that FP can throw the resulting legal battle and create good precedent in MS's favor, that I'd buy.

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    7. Re:what can stop them by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      I have Verizon DSL in un-Fairpoint's area. I'll be transitioned. Do I care? Not really. I never used Verizon's stupid portals either. Didn't use their email because it locks me in. So what changes am I going to see? From reading the brochure they sent, it looks like I won't see any difference.

      Now if they blocked access to URLs such as mail.yahoo.com or my.yahoo.com or what-have-you, that would be something to get upset over. I don't see anything in what they sent that says that's what they're planning. They're changing how the bundled portal options work, that's it. That's not even an Internet service IMO, that's an add-on. They can do whatever they want with it.

      My only other ISP option is Comcrap which is even worse. Or a competing DSL ISP which doesn't work in this area, that's what I had before. It's a service nightmare.

    8. Re:what can stop them by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      foodnetwork.com isn't working for some odd reason now...

      Trye "foodpoint.com" instead.

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  6. What can stop them? by BotnetZombie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    What can stop them?

    Competition, one would hope.

  7. This wont effect me at all. by deft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is why I'm not looking for a new provider right now.

    if it did, I'd be looking up new plans in my area. Thats just rediculous. They are altering and restricting service, with no added benefits anywhere?

    The competitors should be advertising that they arent fairpoint as their best marketing campaign ever.

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    1. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      rediculous

      YOU MUST DIE NOW

    2. Re:This wont effect me at all. by residieu · · Score: 1

      You have the added benefit of that warm feeling knowing the poor executives will be getting a better bonus.

    3. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Green Mountain Access.

    4. Re:This wont effect me at all. by jonadab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The competitors should be advertising

      They're *the* local telephone company across multiple states. They have no direct competitors in that market.

      I suppose cellular providers and cable providers will try to take advantage of this, but cellphonscht kshcht bzsakt shchtkischt rural kschischt bzczoscht, and cable providers only offer internet and maybe VOIP (err, and television if you're into that), which in the general case are not necessarily very good substitutes for an actual phone line.

      Having said that, the fact that Fairpoint is a spinoff from Verizon makes me very glad I stopped doing business with Verizon a couple of years ago. This is a cut and dry case of abusing a monopoly in one market (phone lines) to elbow your way into (and competitors out of) another market (email), so hopefully they'll get the book thrown at them good and hard. Full-blown net neutrality may not even be necessary in this particular case; standard antitrust regulation should be good enough, I would think. (But IANAL,ATINLA.)

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    5. Re:This wont effect me at all. by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Okay, I just have to ask, is this:

      ... but cellphonscht kshcht bzsakt shchtkischt rural kschischt bzczoscht, and ...

      and internet meme I just haven't heard of yet, or did you have a stroke?

    6. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's anything like other broadband providers, they have no competitors regionally. They are a state-enacted local monopoly. Same thing is here, in Brooklyn - Optimum Online is the only cable provider, and Verizon is the dsl/FiOS provider.

    7. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Funny

      "[...]but cellphonscht kshcht bzsakt shchtkischt rural kschischt bzczoscht, and[...]"

      WTF!?

      Why would you use a comma before the word 'and'?

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    8. Re:This wont effect me at all. by ameyer17 · · Score: 1

      The competitors should be advertising that they arent fairpoint as their best marketing campaign ever.

      What competitors?
      Hopefully the government will actually have the balls to make them stop.

    9. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Oswald · · Score: 1

      He said cellphone coverage sucks in many rural areas. Can you hear me now?

    10. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your spelling and grammar are awful. There are at least five errors in your comment:

      1) There should be a capital "I" at the start of your second sentence.
      2) "Thats" should have an apostrophe before the "s".
      3) The correct spelling of "rediculous" is "ridiculous".
      4) "arent" should have an apostrophe between the "n" and the "t".
      5) "fairpoint" is a proper noun, so must have a capital "F".

      I insist that you take better care of this in the future.

    11. Re:This wont effect me at all. by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      I suppose cellular providers and cable providers will try to take advantage of this...

      The thing is, who the hell in northern New England has cable? We used to joke that the Primestar dish was the Maine state flower. (The joke doesn't work as well since they got replaced by DirectTV dishes, which tend to be on the roof instead of the front yard).

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    12. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      If I were Yahoo and MSN, I would find a way to make my site stop working through the portal. Would this mean that subscribers would have to cough up their passwords to the portal? Certainly seems like a security risk to me.

    13. Re:This wont effect me at all. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Okay, I just have to ask, is this:

      ... but cellphonscht kshcht bzsakt shchtkischt rural kschischt bzczoscht, and ...

      and internet meme I just haven't heard of yet, or did you have a stroke?

      It looks like an attempt to bring to mind the poor reception of mobile phone and data in rural areas by spelling out what line noise would probably sound like.

    14. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affect. Dumbass.

    15. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Atario · · Score: 1

      Because it is used in situations various, sundry, and miscellaneous.

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    16. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One reason would be a serial comma.

    17. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You've never heard of an Oxford Comma?

    18. Re:This wont effect me at all. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      rediculous

      EWE MUSTARD DYE NOUN

      Fixed. *ducks*

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    19. Re:This wont effect me at all. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Speaking of un-understandable-ness, WTF is up with ATINILA?

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    20. Re:This wont effect me at all. by Rarcke · · Score: 1

      Why would you use a comma before the word 'and'?

      You use a comma before and at the end of inclusive lists. "We had bacon, eggs, toast, and tea." Although I can't find what you're quoting, so it may have been bad comma use regardless.

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  8. Well, as they say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't like it, feel free to start your own massive broadband ISP.

    1. Re:Well, as they say... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, just have the government hand me a monopoly and free lines and I'll get started!

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    2. Re:Well, as they say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just not use their service and initiate an ad campaign to educate people of the downside of this event from continuing.

      Fill their airwaves.

  9. Send luncheon meat to these addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fairpoint contact addresses:

    Northern New England

    521 E. Morehead Street,
    Suite 240 Box #29,
    Charlotte, NC 28202
    Email: information@fairpoint.com

    Corporate

    521 E. Morehead Street,
    Suite 250 Box F,
    Charlotte, NC 28202
    Email: information@fairpoint.com

    Also tell everyone you know about, Streisand effect, tor, ssh tunnels, and other anti censorship tools.

    1. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by Worthless_Comments · · Score: 1

      Phone number, please?

    2. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, with such tactics, doesn't an ISP lose "common carrier" status

      I can't recall how many times I have posted that ISP's don't have common carrier status. They don't need common carrier status for protection under the DMCA.

      Whoever modded up the parent: YOU FAIL!

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    3. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Verzion's landline business in those states. That makes them a common carrier.

    4. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by ishobo · · Score: 1

      Stop pullinig that information out of your ass. The Internet network, no matter what it runs on (dial-up, ADSL, ISDN, frame relay) has never had common carrier status.

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    5. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by ameyer17 · · Score: 1

      They don't need common carrier status for protection under the DMCA.

      DISCLAIMER: IANAL.

      How I read the DMCA and what's left of the Communications Decency Act, pulling crap like this could endanger the CDA's and DMCA's protections from prosecution due to the actions of their customers.
      As far as I can tell, the best immediate hope for this to stop is for Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, and friends to file antitrust complaints, as it's against the law to attempt leverage a monopoly in one area (in this case, broadband internet service in their service area) to gain a monopoly in other areas (in this case, webmail service).

    6. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't recall how many times I have posted that ISP's don't have common carrier status. They don't need common carrier status for protection under the DMCA.

      Whoever modded up the parent: YOU FAIL!

      Pardon the world for not being more familiar with your posts, whoever57. Perhaps Fairpoint should also be filtering out everyone else's posts so that we can all learn from your sage jackassery.

    7. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. Telephone-based ISPs (Dialup, DSL, ISDN) had common carrier status prior to 2005. In 2005, the FCC reclassified DSL etc. as "information services", same as cable services.

    8. Re:Send luncheon meat to these addresses by ishobo · · Score: 1

      Stop getting your information from Wikipedia. Common carrier law for telephone networks comes from the Communications Act of 1934. ISP were never included nor was the law amended to include them. The 2005 FCC rule change was not about Internet service rather the underlying transport technology of DSL. It is an important point to make.

      An example of this is SBC's ASI that provides DSL wholesale to ISPs. When DSL was regulated (much like frame relay) ISPs were getting the DSL for the same price as ASI was charging SBC (on paper but not in practice). Now, AT&T/ASI can charge ISPs any price they want or refuse to do business with them. The only counter to this would be for an ISP to become a CLEC.

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  10. Good thing by dreampod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that ultimately this is good for the case for Net Neutrality. It is a blatant move that blocks access rather than slowing it which will provoke an outcry even from the computer illiterate. This gives a real world example of what can happen without Net Neutrality to hit back against tiered internet supporters who claim that there will be no real downsides if we allow companies to boost their bottom lines at the expense of consumers.

    1. Re:Good thing by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess is users attempting to navigate to Yahoo's mail site are simply redirected to Fairpoint's portal page, so their access isn't blocked, and the average clueless luser may not notice a thing

      (other than the page looks different)

    2. Re:Good thing by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't even call it net neutrality, it makes it an internet issue while this is just plain old common carrier (this was a previous article recently somewhere). I, as a telephone customer, call whoever I want. AT&T can't stop a call and say "Sorry, that's not a customer of ours or an approved partner, sorry. Call someone else."

      It is not the googles and amazons of the world "calling" various internet surfers and demanding attention. It's the internet surfers who go out and "call"/retrieve the web pages they want. As soon as an ISP blocks that, they are not providing the internet they promised and lose common carrier status and the legal benefits it occurs by staying neutral and not checking what web pages are retrieved.

      I hope Fairpoint goes through with this and gets their ass handed to them.

    3. Re:Good thing by ppanon · · Score: 1

      Which is pretty well the definition of Man-in-the-middle attack. While (hopefully) won't choose to exploit the approach with anything more than wasting your screen space with advertising, I would hope that they would be subject to two types of lawsuits. One from AOL, Yahoo, MSN, et al for brand dilution and/or copyright infringement (the resulting screen is a derived work), and one from users for illegal interception of communications.

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    4. Re:Good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T can't stop a call and say "Sorry, that's not a customer of ours or an approved partner, sorry. Call someone else."

      No, but they can charge you $2.99 a minute for it, without telling you about the fee til you get a large bill. They won't do anything til you pay the bill, and if you pay the bill, you're not getting any bloody cent back.

    5. Re:Good thing by Miseph · · Score: 5, Informative

      "As soon as an ISP blocks that, they are not providing the internet they promised and lose common carrier status and the legal benefits it occurs by staying neutral and not checking what web pages are retrieved.'

      Can't lose what they never had. ISPs don't have, and aren't required to have, common carrier status; the idea was floated, but they shot it down because, frankly, it would cost an awful lot of money and create criminal penalties for failing to meet service guidelines. They DO get some protections from the DMCA safe harbor provisions which are similar to those given to common carriers, but they are slightly different and DO NOT require ISPs to retain any sort of common carrier status.

      Basically, common carrier is achieved by guaranteeing that transmissions will be delivered to the intended recipient without any sort of interference or monitoring on the part of the carrier, as well as meeting certain requirements for uptime and maintenance, and the free provision of service for the purpose of emergency communications (ie. 911 calls), and the protection given is that common carriers cannot be prosecuted for any crimes which are committed with the use of their services no matter how heinous or large in scale. The safe harbor provisions are achieved simply by connecting users to the internet, and only grant protection from civil suits regarding copyright infringement by users on their large and potentially semi-monitored (there are rules regarding monitoring, but they do not forbid all monitoring of traffic, merely on taking action with regards to certain aspects of it) network.

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    6. Re:Good thing by LoadWB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I worked ISP tech support, I used to get calls from customers asking me to give them their passwords. After several minutes of confusion, I would discover the customer meant his Yahoo! (or Hotmail, or whatever) password. I would explain that we do not have that information as he is using a third-party system. To which the reply would come, "well, you're my Internet provider, aren't you?"

      FairPoint... all I can say is you better have plenty of aspirin and therapy coverage for your employees.

    7. Re:Good thing by Renraku · · Score: 1

      But its not 'The Internet' if some sites are blocked by the ISP, is it?

      Its 'The Internet according to Carl's Jr.'

      or

      'The Internet according to Fairpoint'

      It should be labeled as such. In fact, its named should be changed to TIATF-SP. Or else false advertising charges could be brought.

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    8. Re:Good thing by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I suspect this is quite right.

      My suspicion is that they'll implement this in DNS. They'll just fix their servers so that Yahoo's (and whomever else's they choose) webmail interface resolves to their server, where they'll set up a "301 Moved Permanently" pointing to their webmail site. They could of course skip the redirect step, and just point Yahoo to their server directly in DNS, but that gets them a lot closer to actually impersonating Yahoo's service (since it would still say 'yahoo.com' in the address bar).

      They could do it via transparent proxies or any number of other means, but using DNS is so easy it borders on trivial, and for unsophisticated users it has the exact same effect.

      The upside of this, if you can call it that, is that by using OpenDNS or any other non-Fairpoint DNS server, the spoofing will be avoidable.

      Overall I think there are two lessons, if my suspicion about their methods is correct: one, we need to attack this sort of behavior legally; two, in considering the future development of DNS, the existence of hostile ISPs should be taken into account, and where possible, the system should make it difficult or impossible even for a server operator to spoof records to clients.

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    9. Re:Good thing by PPH · · Score: 1

      Basically, common carrier is achieved by guaranteeing that transmissions will be delivered to the intended recipient without any sort of interference or monitoring on the part of the carrier,...

      Common carrier status is achieved when the regulators having jurisdiction over your business say you are a common carrier. Then, they apply the various quality of service, maintenance and delivery guarantees to your operations.

      There's not much you can do about it as a private business. At such time that the FCC tells you that you are a common carrier, you can kick, scream, stamp your little feet, pay off congresspersons to try and get a law changed. But common carrier status isn't something that you opt into. If the FCC (actually Congress) characterizes your line of business as a common carrier (like granting it safe harbor provisions), you're it.

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    10. Re:Good thing by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Actually there's something even simpler than messing with DNS: an ISP has the ability to route the IP address to whatever server they want within their own network. They can then have their own server bind the desired IP, or use NAT and translate the destination address and port, so their own server receives the request.

      Using NAT port forwards is also hard to detect, since the DNS reply is the same, AND port 25 and SSL traffic can still go to the right place, so only port 80 traffic is intercepted, no SMTP servers mistakenly contact the wrong address, AND no SSL certificate errors occur, since SSL is not redirected.

      I think the only viable solution at the current time is more widespread use of SSL, trusted third-party security providers, and VPNs. (i.e. Users having accounts with several remote more-trusted ISPs that allow them to VPN or proxy from their network for a monthly fee, ala Anonymizer.com)

      I don't think changing DNS is the answer. For one thing, generally the ISP runs the recursive DNS server itself: thus, any spoofs they make are not actually nterception -- they spread bad data from a "legitimate" source. There is no means for DNS security protocols to protect against this: it's the ISP's nameservers themselves that would have to choose to implement any security protocol(s).

      It is not unusual for an ISP to block or divert port 53 and other DNS traffic in a transparent way, forcing subscribers to use the provided DNS servers, and denying the ability to make direct queries to outside DNS servers.

    11. Re:Good thing by mysidia · · Score: 1

      A man-in-the-middle attack could be performed, but it doesn't have to be.

      If their servers are involved in logins through the portal page, or messages/pages displayed, such that they would for example log the text of an e-mail, or a password entered, if their portal software logged _all data_ passing through it, then yes, it's a MITM attack.

      Man in the middle attack implies the attacker accepts a connection from one party masquerading as the true destination and makes an independent connection to the destination, masquerading as the true origin, so as to eavesdrop on communications passing from the true origin to the true destination.

      The reason a redirect from say the yahoo mail homepage to the ISP "mail portal page" is not necessarily a man-in-the-middle attack is that only the origin is effected by this redirect.

      A man-in-the-middle attack intercepts communications and data over a connection: both sent data, and received data. Just capturing sent data and sending a user an error or a redirect page, is not MITM. In fact, many common web filtering systems do this.

      A redirect only effects the origin, and the origin knows they are being redirected.

      A true MITM attack allows the connection to be established but captures (and possibly alters) data communicated between the two parties across the connections.

      An example of that would be having a custom webmail site, that you login to, and your webmail site pretends to be the webmail site the user attempted to access.

      (So that access of pages that display e-mail messages pass from the true site's webserver, to the intercepting server, then to your browser, possibly with changes made, or with data captured and logged, for datamining, marketing, blackmail, or other nefarious purposes [purpose doesn't matter].)

    12. Re:Good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least this time Fairpoint WILL have their password...

    13. Re:Good thing by Miseph · · Score: 1

      "There's not much you can do about it as a private business. At such time that the FCC tells you that you are a common carrier, you can kick, scream, stamp your little feet, pay off congresspersons to try and get a law changed."

      You realize that you just said they can't do anything, then listed things they can do, right? And you are aware that the last one is actually quite effective, I assume?

      "But common carrier status isn't something that you opt into."

      On the contrary, phone carriers requested very early on that they, like the USPS, be granted that status because they REALLY didn't want to face conspiracy charges on any crime which involved the use of one or more telephone. Keep in mind that planning a crime is crime in itself, and you'll see why this was so important to them.

      As for why ISPs seem unconcerned, my understanding is that we are so culturally accustomed to phone-like communications that it hasn't occurred to anybody in a good long while that this is something they really need to protect themselves against. The earliest internet iterations basically amounted to digital phone calls (so it was already somewhat covered), and once it got big there were so many loopholes that it wouldn't matter anyway. That said, an ISP who provides service and webspace to a known criminal using it for illegal purposes is likely to get in serious trouble, where a phone company in a similar situation is only likely to be imposed upon with wiretaps and such.

      "If the FCC (actually Congress) characterizes your line of business as a common carrier (like granting it safe harbor provisions), you're it."

      Yes, but they won't do so without consulting you first, or without a REALLY good reason. Plus, you have the cause and effect mixed up: one must have safe harbor status to operate as a common carrier, but one does not need to be a common carrier to have (particularly limited) safe harbor status. You can argue the wisdom of granting such immunities to an industry without requiring anything in particular of it 'til you're blue in the face, but there's still no rule that says Congress or the FCC HAS TO confer common carrier status in order to give its benefits.

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  11. Not gonna happen by assemblerex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Vermont's motto is "Freedom and unity". I don't think they have a snowball's chance in hell of doing this.

    1. Re:Not gonna happen by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's not forget New Hampshire's "Live Free or Die."

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    2. Re:Not gonna happen by Firehed · · Score: 5, Informative

      And as someone currently in NH who lived in VT for most of his life, I'll point out that, by and large, the only people who actually believe in those mottos are growing-pot-on-the-porch hippie types that nobody takes seriously, and suffice to say aren't exactly internet-savvy.

      FWIW, I did see a bumper sticker on a Verizon service van saying something to the general effect of "Fairpoint is the only company worse than we are!" and had to agree. Even still, you're lucky to have one option for a broadband provider in many parts of VT and NH, let alone two. I can't speak for Maine but assume it's about the same.

      HOWEVER, after looking at TFA (ignore sig, please), it looks like a quote has been pulled wildly out of context:

      Starting Jan. 31, users of e-mail software applications like Microsoft Outlook can begin adjusting their e-mail settings. The process can be automated by visiting www.activate.MyFairPoint.net/emailupdate and following the instructions. Users can also update their settings manually.

      Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password.

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

      Fastiggi said e-mail will automatically be forwarded from a customer's Verizon e-mail address to myfairpoint.net for three months, until April 30.

      Sounds like all that's going to happen is Verizon will be killing off their portal which was previously doing some level of integration w/ AOL, Y!, and MSN, and those who have been bought out by Fairpoint will no longer be able to use it. Which makes sense, as they're no longer Verizon customers.

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    3. Re:Not gonna happen by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 1

      Vermont's motto is "Freedom and unity".

      This way they deliver "unity" - all mail web-services under one, united interface.

      Also you get freedom from non-Fairpoint advertisements.

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    4. Re:Not gonna happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. To make it more clear, the third party website they are talking about here is the Verizon portal, not the Yahoo, MSN, ect site. That's what it seems from that quote.

    5. Re:Not gonna happen by junner518 · · Score: 1

      As a current resident of NH, I can say that many people have access to an alternate ISP. In my area Fairpoint will take over Verizon's DSL and land-based telephone service, and the limited FiOS connections that exist. But on top of that Comcast (which isn't so benevolent either) and in some places Time Warner Cable offers internet. Of course in some of the rural areas the cable alternative might not be there, but in general there are options in NH.

    6. Re:Not gonna happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maine has Time Warner Cable... They've been great in my experiences.

    7. Re:Not gonna happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love fascists who belittle anyone who values liberty, it's really unfortunate.. America is going the way of the dodo.

    8. Re:Not gonna happen by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Actually, time warner cable sucks in maine - even business class service. Latency is higher than DSL (adding a MINIMUM of 30ms) and bandwith varies widely depending on the time of day.

      Verizon DSL was VERY consistent. 1.5M/384K could be counted on 24/7. That's what you got all the time (I had it for 4 years.) In those 4 years, the ONLY outage I had was when my phone line ripped off the house in an ice storm.

      Cable can be 10M/2M (business account,) but can also be 128K/2M (Yeah, that's 128K down...) with 300ms ping times to Verizon's 1.5M/75ms to the same site at the same time. I do very regular automated testing of connectivity (ping monitoring) and bandwidth. TWC has had about 15 outages in the past 4 months, most small (30 mins or less) but two lasted half a day.

      Bottom line with Time Warner Cable service: You get more bandwith MOST of the time, but it's not reliable or consistent. If you need reliability and consistency, you need DSL or better.

    9. Re:Not gonna happen by riondluz · · Score: 1

      Agreed. As another rural vermonter, I use wildblue and they did something similar but in reverse. Where previous email accounts were handled by mywildblue..net they cut their costs by subbing their email services to google; such that all email users were required to goto the new wildblue portal (under google) and fill in new account details.
      This story is mostly a non-starter from my POV. It is not about content filtering as much as about email services that
      fairpoint provides.
      This article was caught earlier in the day by a member of our local LUG (vague) and corrected thusly:
      From: MrKahuna
          To: VAGUE@list.uvm.edu
          Date: 12/28/08 07:28 am

      This got picked up by Slashdot and seriously misinterpreted. The
      notice I received was very poorly worded but since I have Verizon and
      was using the "Yahoo email" I was able to parse it. Nothing nefarious
      is going on.

      Here's what's happening.

      Verizon had a deal with Yahoo that allowed Verizon users to keep their
      "@verizon.net" email addresses but use Yahoo's email servers. You
      could log into Yahoo with "user@verizon.net" and get your verizon.net
      email through Yahoo's webmail interface. In fact, logging into
      Verizon's portal just redirects to Yahoo. In addition, your POP server
      was "incoming.yahoo.verizon.net" instead of the normal Verizon server.
      Fairpoint is not continuing this deal with Yahoo so now to access your
      new "@myfairpoint.net" email through a web browser you'll have to go
      to Fairpoint's web portal instead of Yahoo's and have to use
      Fairpoint's POP servers. If you have an "@yahoo.com" email address
      nothing is changing as far as I can tell.

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  12. No it doesn't. by barfy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did anyone read the article???

    Verizon provided a service to IT'S customers where they can read webmail of another provider on their web page. Fairpoint is saying that after x date that if you still want that kind of service you have to go through THEIR web page. You can still go to Yahoo, Gmail, AOL, and Hotmail, and read your mail from those pages directly.

    This is NOT a net neutrality issue. It is an added feature provided by the provider.

    I for instance have NEVER used any of my ISP features, as I have separate email provider. Nothing Changes.

    Shenanigans!
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    1. Re:No it doesn't. by Trahloc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did *you* read the article?

      "... will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal."

      Sounds pretty straight forward to me. You wont be able to go to mail.yahoo.com, you'll have to go to allyourbasebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net to access your yahoo email.

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    2. Re:No it doesn't. by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 1

      Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password.

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

      This is all rather vague. What is this "access to content" that I'll still have without having "access to e-mail?"

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    3. Re:No it doesn't. by opec · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You can still go to Yahoo, Gmail, AOL, and Hotmail, and read your mail from those pages directly.

      Apparently not.

      Sixth paragraph of TFA:

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

    4. Re:No it doesn't. by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Verizon provided a service to IT'S customers where they can read webmail of another provider on their web page. Fairpoint is saying that after x date that if you still want that kind of service you have to go through THEIR web page. You can still go to Yahoo, Gmail, AOL, and Hotmail, and read your mail from those pages directly.

      Article says:

      Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password.

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

      So, (1) customersl ISP email addresses are changing, and (2) people with certain non-Fairpoint webmails will have to read their email through MyFairPoint.net instead of "the third party Web site" which I take to mean the AOL/MSN/etc site ("third party" being, not Fairpoint or the subscriber).

      I DID RTFA, and it certainly seems to be saying what you say it isn't. Do you have a better-worded article?

    5. Re:No it doesn't. by pm_rat_poison · · Score: 5, Funny

      allyourbasebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net

      I'm pretty sure that would give you a 404. The correct url is
      allyourbaseAREbelongtous.MyFairPoint.net

    6. Re:No it doesn't. by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I did RTFA, but unlike you, I did so with an open mind. Before the part you quote, it says, " Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6." In that context, it looks to me as though the Verizon webmail page is the "third party Web site" referred to. I'll grant that it's not written as clearly as it should be, but it does make more sense than the interpretation in the summary. Cutting off access to other provider's webmail site while allowing unhindered access to all of their other content just doesn't make sense. Telling new customers that if they want their third-party email on their homepage they need to use yours instead of their other providers does. My guess is that when the dust clears this will turn out to be Yet Another Slashdot Tempest In A Teapot.

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    7. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but *VERIZON* is the third party. You'll have to use MyFairPoint instead of MyVerizon.

    8. Re:No it doesn't. by Unoriginal+Nick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Read the paragraph before it. The "third party Web site" is referring to the Verizon web site, not Yahoo, MSN, etc. This is a non-story.

    9. Re:No it doesn't. by ptbarnett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds pretty straight forward to me. You wont be able to go to mail.yahoo.com, you'll have to go to allyourbasebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net to access your yahoo email.

      I think the article is wrong, having been written by a typical clueless journalist.

      This sounds like Verizon subscribers were getting some sort of "partner" package with Yahoo, MSN, and/or AOL -- i.e. certain things like email service were out-sourced.

      My father was offered the same deal with Southwestern Bell (now AT&T) DSL. I steered him away from it.

    10. Re:No it doesn't. by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did *you* read the article?

      Frequently the authors of such articles are not very technical and don't understand all details of the situation.

      It is eminently plausible that the author of the article was confused, AND Fairpoint was talking about the third-party Verizon portal for accessing Yahoo mail and other webmail services.

      In fact... it's much more likely than that an ISP would go to measures to block third-party webmail sites

      Which would be extremely unpopular among subscribers, and might upset the third-party webmail services, causing them to take action against the ISP, i.e. by blocking access through the unauthorized "portal" site

    11. Re:No it doesn't. by Firehed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Context is really damn important, and you're using even less of it than the summary. The third party website in question is a Verizon portal, not AOL/Y!/MSN's respective sites.

      Of course, Rutland VT (where TFA comes from) isn't exactly known for being tech-savvy, so the meaning could have been a bit clearer, but read enough of it and it's fairly clear. I go into it a bit more in a post above, but this quote without creative trimming makes it fairly clear what the intent is:

      FairPoint spokeswoman Beth Fastiggi said Friday that Internet customers will keep their existing user names and passwords but will use a different domain: myfairpoint.net.

      Starting Jan. 31, users of e-mail software applications like Microsoft Outlook can begin adjusting their e-mail settings. The process can be automated by visiting www.activate.MyFairPoint.net/emailupdate and following the instructions. Users can also update their settings manually.

      Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password.

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

      Fastiggi said e-mail will automatically be forwarded from a customer's Verizon e-mail address to myfairpoint.net for three months, until April 30.

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    12. Re:No it doesn't. by Tragek · · Score: 1

      Yup. Shitty copy writing, but a non-story.

    13. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand and believe you, but can't resist:

      just doesn't make sense

      You must be new here.

    14. Re:No it doesn't. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. they are shutting down VERIZONS integrated email portal. NOT blocking access to mail.yahoo.com

      The whole story headline is a troll and should be voted down.

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    15. Re:No it doesn't. by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      I read it, and what I saw was "Company A buys company B, after date C punters need to collect ISP email from mail.a.com instead of mail.b.com".

      Doesn't seem like a "net neutrality" story (or indeed a story at all) to me.

    16. Re:No it doesn't. by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      Doh!

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    17. Re:No it doesn't. by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      I second this. I commented twice on this story based on the summary alone. This looks like they are cutting off integrated access to Verizon's portal based on them splitting from Verizon.

      The summary is a troll to elicit reactions such as mine or the author just really misunderstood.

    18. Re:No it doesn't. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight.

      If I use gmail to read my email that's fine.

      But if I use google/ig as my home page to read my email (as google allows me to do for the last 2-3 months), that's going to be blocked?

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    19. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's referring to the Verizon portal which is third-party to the web service. Note the singular use of "the third party Web site" rather than sites.

      How about someone settle this once and for all and call fairpoint asking for clarification.

      Customers with questions can call FairPoint at (800) 240-5019.

    20. Re:No it doesn't. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree that most likely the reporter simply got it wrong, but these two sentences, especially with the instead link, certainly imply that Yahoo is one of the third parties whose email will not be available except through fairpoint.

      Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

    21. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha. Domain names ARE not case sensitive. Your post is about as funny as the disconnection ones.

    22. Re:No it doesn't. by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      It is eminently plausible that the author of the article was confused, AND Fairpoint was talking about the third-party Verizon portal for accessing Yahoo mail and other webmail services.

      ...Verizon has a site called the "third-party portal"? Yeah, I can see how that could get confusing in a situation where there are real third parties, none of whom are Verizon.

    23. Re:No it doesn't. by Trahloc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm well I read it as you can still use the "third party" email systems as meaning all those companies listed, such as yahoo. You just need to access it via the isp's portal. Now its possible the writer of that release whipped it up in 5 minutes without proof reading it for clarity so you might have the right of it... but strangely I'm going to continue leaning towards /.'s interpretation until proven otherwise. Better to holler and shout and be wrong than stay silent and be proven right when your no longer able to access your email on the official site.

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    24. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Agreed. What this is referring to is way back when, Verizon partnered with Yahoo, MSN, and AOL to provide e-mail services for DSL Customers. These customers, that created these Verizon home pages that linked directly to these 3rd party accounts are going away.

    25. Re:No it doesn't. by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      It's referring to the Verizon portal which is third-party to the web service. Note the singular use of "the third party Web site" rather than sites.

      How about someone settle this once and for all and call fairpoint asking for clarification.

      Customers with questions can call FairPoint at (800) 240-5019.

      But Verizon isn't a "third party", they're with Fairpoint as a first party (making the changes) against the subscribers as the other first party (who the changes were made to). Now, it sounds like Verizon might have a site with "third-party" in the name, so if that's the case...

    26. Re:No it doesn't. by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. If you were using Verizon's webmail page you're going to have to change to Fairpoint's. If you weren't, nothing changes.

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    27. Re:No it doesn't. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Better to holler and shout and be wrong than stay silent and be proven right when your no longer able to access your email on the official site.

      Even better is to go right to the source and ask the horse. Why not check with Fairpoint itself and find out just what's going on? If "m right, no problem; if I'm wrong, we'll know what to do next.

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    28. Re:No it doesn't. by void* · · Score: 1

      We have two paragraphs.

      One paragraph says "Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password."

      That says, if your webmail was at Verizon, it's going to be at MyFairPoint.net

      Now we have the next paragraph

      "AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal."

      Why would the 'third-party website' be a back reference to the preceding paragraph, rather than to "AOL, Yahoo! and MSN" in the same sentence, when they are indeed third parties?

      It may be that they're talking about 'we're moving whatever integrated AOL, Yahoo! and MSN stuff from the Verizon portal to our new one', but they certainly don't make it clear.

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    29. Re:No it doesn't. by rhizome · · Score: 1

      I agree that most likely the reporter simply got it wrong, but these two sentences, especially with the instead link, certainly imply that Yahoo is one of the third parties whose email will not be available except through fairpoint.

      You inferred it but it's not implied (much less 'certainly'). If Yahoo was a "third party Web site" for the purpose of the article, then MSN would be too ("Yahoo and MSN subscribers") and they wouldn't have used the singular "site." All you have to do is replace "third party Web" with "Verizon's" and everything makes perfect sense without any interpretive gymnastics.

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    30. Re:No it doesn't. by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      True, but I've worked in call centers, they're the last ones to be told anything. I recall multiple times hearing about things from the customers that the higher ups never bothered to filter down to the front line.

      Besides, this is more fun. :)

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    31. Re:No it doesn't. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      No, don't you know that a website doesn't work if it doesn't have the magical www in front of it? So, it should be www.allyourbaseArebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net

      (yes, I had someone tell me that as I was trying to get a site up... *sigh*)

    32. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      He only capitalized the "ARE" to show that it was the part that was missing from the domain name in his parent. How does it feel to be so incredibly, painfully stupid? Retard.

    33. Re:No it doesn't. by Ifni · · Score: 1

      The GP was not correcting capitalization, he was emphasizing that the GGP had omitted the word "are" from the URL. The capitalization was merely to call attention to the correction, which was wise since apparently some people are incapable of reading long sequences of concatenated words, as you have so aptly demonstrated.

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    34. Re:No it doesn't. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      everything makes perfect sense without any interpretive gymnastics. It looks to me like you're the one with chalk on his hands. You're twisting "Yahoo and other third party" to somehow mean that Yahoo is not one. You may be right, but not without a double-twisting backflip to achieve it.

    35. Re:No it doesn't. by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 2, Informative

      DING! and we finally get someone who gets it. Verizon has the same deal going on as the fabled "ATT/Yahoo!" DSL package. you get ATT DSL, with a deranged ATT frontend for Yahoo's services. So what you have in the article, is Verizon internet, with a Verizon frontend for Yahoo, MSN or AOL. now, since Verizon sold off its responsibility for this frontend business to FairPoint, the yahoo.verison.blah frontend is going to become yahoo.fairpoint.blah or somsuch. verizon was the third party website, Yahoo.com can't very well be a 3rd party website to its own services now can it? now, Fairpoint is the third party website. thank you and good night.

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    36. Re:No it doesn't. by Lazarian · · Score: 1
      "... will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal."

      Interpretation: They are going to extensively datamine your email.

    37. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn the difference between a 404 and NXDOMAIN before you go around correcting others, dipshit.

    38. Re:No it doesn't. by MrKahuna · · Score: 1

      It's a little different than that. Verizon had a deal with Yahoo that allowed Verizon users to keep their "@verizon.net" email addresses but use Yahoo's email servers. You could log into Yahoo with "user@verizon.net" and get your verizon.net email through Yahoo's webmail interface. In fact, logging into Verizon's portal just redirects to Yahoo. In addition, your POP server was "incoming.yahoo.verizon.net" instead of the normal Verizon server. Fairpoint is not continuing this deal with Yahoo so now to access your new "@myfairpoint.net" email through a web browser you'll have to go to Fairpoint's web portal instead of Yahoo's and have to use Fairpoint's POP servers. If you have an "@yahoo.com" email address nothing is changing as far as I can tell.

    39. Re:No it doesn't. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      "... will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal." Sounds pretty straight forward to me. You wont be able to go to mail.yahoo.com,

      Yahoo is NOT a "third party website". Yahoo is first party, Fairpoint is second party. Verizon is the third party that is being shut down. So you WILL be able to use Yahoo directly, as previous. You just won't be able to use Verizon's portal to Yahoo, and apparently Fairpoint will put up their own portal to replace it.

      The story is not written clearly, but the Slashdot headline and summary is obviously, to anyone who thinks about it, wildly wrong. How could an American ISP block access to Yahoo and expect to get away with that? Yahoo would sue them for a start.

    40. Re:No it doesn't. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      No, don't you know that a website doesn't work if it doesn't have the magical www in front of it?

      Wrong. That's a convention, not a requirement. Try http://slashdot.org/ for example.

    41. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original article misinterprets the message from FairPoint. FairPoint will not be filtering or redirecting any third party webmail. Trust me. I know.

      Verizon currently offers a service whereby the customer can select one of several co-branded portals, including MSN and Yahoo. Those customers @verizon.net email arrives in their MSN or Yahoo webmail Inbox rather than being accessed via POP or a Verizon webmail site.

      Two things are changing: 1) the customer's email address and email is being migrated to an @myfairpoint.net address, along with any @verizon.net webmail, folders, settings, address books, spam filtering settings, etc. 2) The co-branded portal environment is going away and there will be a www.myfairpoint.net portal where users can access their @myfairpoint.net webmail.

      Customers can still access MSN, Yahoo, AOL, whatever and still access those old accounts by browsing directly (unfiltered) to any third party websites. The change has absolutely nothing to do with forcing customers to access third-party portals through the myfairpoint.net portal. It's entirely about @myfairpoint.net email through the myfairpoint.net portal. Maybe people should ask for clarification before writing stupid articles...

    42. Re:No it doesn't. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

    43. Re:No it doesn't. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Domain names aren't, but URLs are. When you type in a URL, and the server uses name-based virtual hosting, the server sees the domain name, including the case of all the characters.

      If the server implementation is sufficiently braindead, then there is a small chance you may just get a 404.

    44. Re:No it doesn't. by autocracy · · Score: 1
      I'm going to repost the quote from my last comment for ya:

      Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net

      Wordier version that explains it in case this quote isn't enough context. ;)

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    45. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. The rest of the article is talking about Verizon services being transferred over, I think it's just a case of a rushed journalist screwing up his story. There's no mention of disrupting access to webmail accounts anywhere I can find on fairpoint.com, or any other news stories about what should be a major, major issue.

      This is what happens when newspaper budgets get slashed.

    46. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least some one here is smart enough to realize that the story is all wrong. Back when i used verizon they allowed us to chose to have our verizon mail accessable through the Hotmail or yahoo interface. It was the verizon address but we could set it up so we could use our username and password on the portal we had set up. This was partly due to verizon having a bad system and made for a nice solution. Fairpoint does not have the same deal and as such will have to access there fairpoint email address at fairpoints site. There not looking to block out any of the other email services.

      Basic lesson here. The simplest answer is often the correct answer. O and it helps to have some info or logic too

    47. Re:No it doesn't. by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      No, don't you know that a website doesn't work if it doesn't have the magical www in front of it? [...]

      (yes, I had someone tell me that as I was trying to get a site up... *sigh*)

      Please tell me you gave the shoulder surfing PHB/luser a proper thrashing with either a LART or a clueByFour. Twice.

      Otherwise we'll be revoking your nick; I'm sure you understand.

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    48. Re:No it doesn't. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      So you were just pretending to be ignorant. Excuse me for not being able to read your mind and know you were making a "joke".

      Pretentious asshole.

    49. Re:No it doesn't. by Wicked+Zen · · Score: 1

      So you were just pretending to be ignorant. Excuse me for not being able to read your mind and know you were making a "joke".
      Pretentious asshole.

      ...heh...

      (yes, I had someone tell me that as I was trying to get a site up... *sigh*)

      This sort of made the joke obvious.
      Insensitive clod.

    50. Re:No it doesn't. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      This sort of made the joke obvious.

      No. The ironic reading is not the only interpretation. You're blinded by hindsight.

      Insensitive clod.

      Actually, that would be you. Why kibbitz on this exchange that did not involve you just to sneer?

    51. Re:No it doesn't. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      This sort of made the joke obvious.

      No. The ironic reading is not the only interpretation. You're blinded by hindsight.

      You're just a moron. First, you didn't get the joke. Then you get all defensive over it. You're just blinded by your need to feel superior.

      Insensitive clod.

      Actually, that would be you. Why kibbitz on this exchange that did not involve you just to sneer?

      It's a public exchange. This is 1st degree luserdom to tell someone else they can't join in on a public debate.

    52. Re:No it doesn't. by rhizome · · Score: 1

      It looks to me like you're the one with chalk on his hands. You're twisting "Yahoo and other third party" to somehow mean that Yahoo is not one. You may be right, but not without a double-twisting backflip to achieve it.

      I'm not reading it that way. To me, "third party website" is singular, and "Yahoo and MSN" is plural. Therefore, the singular would more-appropriately be applied to the other singular presence in the statement: Verizon's portal site.

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    53. Re:No it doesn't. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      You're just a moron. First, you didn't get the joke. Then you get all defensive over it. You're just blinded by your need to feel superior.

      You're just an asshole.

      You called me a moron, twice now including the "woosh", for not realising you were being ironic. I replied to what seemd a slightly clueless person with a factual response that did not put anyone down.

      It's your own ego that was bruised by the idea that anyone could imagine you weren't as smart as you imagine yourself ("the_B0fh" [sic]) to be.

      It's a public exchange. This is 1st degree luserdom to tell someone else they can't join in on a public debate.

      Calling people names is not a "debate". And "luserdom", "B0fh"? How cute. You really do imagine yourself to be a ultra cool and "l33t".

    54. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The net result is just like having an actual Hotmail or Yahoo account, only it isn't portable and it's less reliable (more moving parts and more sysadmins are involved). I think building that is so obviously pointless that nobody in the thread realized Verizon had actually done it.

    55. Re:No it doesn't. by JerryLove · · Score: 1

      From the article:
      "Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal."

      Though it's possible that the article is *very* poorly worded (no point saying that they could still get to content if 'mail' wasn't an exception); a plain-reading of the article indicates a discontinuation of access to those mail sites.

      I treid to hit MyFairPoint.net to read their own statement of policy, but it's not up yet.

    56. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is EXACTLY what it says, blame a poorly worded letter, but it in essence says, anything you are currently doing at verizon.net you will need to do at myfairpoint.net. It DOES NOT say (does not intend to say) that we are going to block aol.com, etc. Calm down people, put the torches down, and the noose back in it's box.

    57. Re:No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which makes perfect sense - if they blocked MSN, Yahoo, and GOogle, and FORCED people to use their portal only....

      Woudln't ya think Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google would retaliate?

  13. sounds like dangerous ground by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i smell a law suit brewing against Fairpoint...

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    1. Re:sounds like dangerous ground by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Nah, that was me. I had too much turkey last night and have a bad case of the farts.

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  14. So who sues them first? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. AOL
    2. Yahoo!
    3. MSN/Microsoft
    4. A class-action by their subscribers
    5. the FTC
    6. the FCC

    ...why didn't I see Gmail on their list?

    1. Re:So who sues them first? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they don't acknowledge beta products.

    2. Re:So who sues them first? by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      my guess would have to be https and the like.

    3. Re:So who sues them first? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      ...why didn't I see Gmail on their list?

      Because nobody messes with Google. Google has very effective ways of getting even, if you toy with them.

      You'll find your site permanently at the bottom of search results, or banned entirely.

    4. Re:So who sues them first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd venture a guess that Google would cut off access to search from all of Fairpoint's IP space and have their lawyers sit around waiting for Fairpoint's call.

    5. Re:So who sues them first? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2, Funny

      1. AOL
      2. Yahoo!
      3. MSN/Microsoft
      4. A class-action by their subscribers
      5. the FTC
      6. the FCC
      • United Grammarians of America sues the Herald for misleading use of "third party".
  15. (un)Fairpoint Business Model by pm_rat_poison · · Score: 1

    Step 1.) Irritate your customers by censoring the internet, reducing their connectivity and forcing them new habits
    Step 2.) ?????
    Step 3.) Profit!

  16. Net Neutrality is Worth Fighting For by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    This chipping away at net neutrality is dangerous. Let's hope legislators in Maine, NH and VT see that compromising net neutrality is extending to large corporations the same preferences they enjoy offline, and granting their wealth the same citizen-crushing weight that enables travesties like the RIAA's greedy rape of innocents.

    Net neutrality is more important than most know. It is *worth fighting for*. Educate others!

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  17. Net Neutrality can Discourage Online Monopolies by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    .. and aren't monopolies bad enough offline when a corporation gets too much power?

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  18. I say let them do it by TX297 · · Score: 1

    All it would prove to Joe Schmuck is that net neutrality is bad. We're relying on public awareness of net neutrality, and what better way to do it than to piss off a whole group of subscribers?

  19. I doubt it by carlzum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll reserve my judgment until I see this reported in a better source. This article is written so poorly I suspect the author has no idea what his misstatement implies. If FairPoint is planning to block major webmail sites, the Rutland Herald missed out on a huge story. They seem to be the only news source with this information.

    Look at what other sites are reporting about this deal. "In Maine, regulators have alerted FairPoint that it will be scrutinized more closely than probably any other utility in the state's history." If true, the details will come to light quickly as this hits the major news outlets.

  20. spelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ridiculous

  21. What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fox news' slogal is "Fair and Balanced"

    The second iraq war was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

    Haven't you read 1984? This is how you control the populous: tell them that the only way to truly be free is by having no freedom.

  22. I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by hansoloaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got their mailer and here what it says :

    Yahoo!, AOL and MSN or Other Third-Party Portal Users

    On Jan 31, 2009, you'll still have access to Yahoo!, AOL, and MSN content, but you'll no longer be able to access your email directly through the third-party portal. Instead, you'll now have access to the new MyFairPoint.net portal.

    Beginning January 1, 2009, we'll start the migration of all Verizon-Yahoo! emails and settings to your new FairPoint WebMail account. You'll be able to access your FairPoint WebMail on this date, but your Verizon-Yahoo! messages may not be transferred until later in the month. Please check your new inbox periodically to find out when your messages are moved. The migration is expected to be complete by January 31, 2009.

    1. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by Skapare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yahoo!, AOL and MSN or Other Third-Party Portal Users

      On Jan 31, 2009, you'll still have access to Yahoo!, AOL, and MSN content, but you'll no longer be able to access your email directly through the third-party portal. Instead, you'll now have access to the new MyFairPoint.net portal.

      If you were using the VERIZON third-party portal to access your email that is located at Yahoo!, AOL and/or MSN ... since you are no longer a customer of VERIZON, and instead are now a customer of FAIRPOINT, third-party access mechanism is now through FAIRPOINT's service. In other words, Fairpoint is going to be providing a similar kind of service that Verizon did.

      I'm sure there will be problems for people with email addresses "@verizon.net". There should not be problems for people using other email addresses. I see nothing in this that says people cannot go to Yahoo!, AOL, or MSN directly for email address originally established through those providers (e.g. youremailaddress@aol.com). If such email accounts were previously restricted such that they could ONLY be accessed via the VERIZON web site, I could understand them being similarly restricted to the FAIRPOINT website. But as for people having their email addresses changed, I can't see that affecting anyone other than those who have an "@verizon.net" address.

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    2. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by wytcld · · Score: 1

      Ah, that explains it. From the Herald article there was no hint that "third-party portal" was a term of art, not a reference to what in common English would be a "third-party" - that is, any party beyond the first party (the customer) and the second party (Fairpoint) - which maintains a "portal" (in the common Internet sense).

      So in your interpretation, "third-party portal" is not a third party's portal, but the portal of the second party to third parties, while not restricting access to what in common English would be the "third-party portals" in the sense of being portals provided by the third parties.

      Why then would this be qualified by "you'll still have access to Yahoo!, AOL, and MSN content"? The portals of Yahoo!, AOL and MSN provide other content, plus e-mail. Can I be forgiven for reading this also as plain English, saying that while Yahoo! etc. content will not be blocked, the e-mail portals of these third parties will be?

      Okay, maybe I should have called Fairpoint (on a Saturday) for clarification. But the newspaper's writeup being this muddled was beyond my humble reader's imagination. It's not generally a bad or sloppy paper, as small-town rags go. Its publisher is even on the AP board.

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    3. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by Skapare · · Score: 1

      The customer is the 1st party. The internet provider (Verizon, Fairpoint) is the 2nd party. The email hoster (Yahoo!, AOL, MSN) are the 3rd party. Maybe the 2nd and 3rd need to be switched. From what I understand, Verizon provided a web site with their branding (but maybe outsourced to another party to actually run it and host it) that allowed access to email with the Yahoo!, AOL, or MSN names because not everyone wanted @verizon.net. That's basically what I mean by 3rd party.

      I don't believe Fairpoint would block access to the Yahoo!, AOL, or MSN web sites, including their email sites. If they do, it would be amazingly stupid. I think someone just got all twisted in a knot because they thought they were going to be blocked from accessing the Verizon web site their email had been on for years, and forced to use Fairpoint. Now, if they had an email address like newsreporter@verizon.net and have to change it (because Verizon is not their provider), then I can understand them getting into a tizzy. But they don't seem to have facts organized (even if they are right).

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    4. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps this might explain something:

      https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.partner=vz-acs&.done=http%3a//verizon.yahoo.com

      Verizon and Yahoo have some sort of integrated portal.

      Non-story.

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    5. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by tecker · · Score: 1

      Bummer. This is probably the single most authoritative comment on the situation and it is buried at the bottom. Mod this parent up please.

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    6. Re:I live in Vermont and have Fairpoint by sarfrancisco · · Score: 1

      I just got off the phone with FairPoint, who explained that subscribers will still be able to access their e-mail via aol.com, yahoo.com, and/or msn.com. The gentleman on the phone agreed that the mailer is confusing and that FairPoint has received a lot of complaints and questions regarding this issue. Case closed. FairPoint: Communication FAIL. Slashdot: EPIC FAIL.

  23. A Glida Radner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You mean I'm going to have to go to Fairpoint's home page to check "all" my e-mail accounts. This is terrible and it'll bring about the collapse of the western civilization. Washington will be in flames and New York City will be reduced to rubble. How can they force us all to view our e-mail through their home page! Write your Congressman! Blog! Tell a friend!" "What was that? It only counts if you link your e-mail through your Verizon home page and only in Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire? Oh........NEVER MIND!"

  24. U.exe by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    There is no way they can block it without having an ssl proxy filter. That would allow them plain text views of user information. ie. bank account passwords, medical records... I think the government would stop that really quick.

    http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.ultrareach.com/download_en.htm&sa=X&oi=smap&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNE-DVlL7PRbTeO5epMPAh810jBVoA

    But then with, all the privacy protection governments are doing these days I could be wrong.

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  25. no competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fairpoint really doesn't have any competition up here besides cable, which is way too expensive for anyone up here to afford.

  26. it's what web proxies are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. take a lesson from the tech-savvy teenagers who routinely circumvent this kind of nonsense and use a web-based proxy. Or, use POP and SMTP access to the web-mail services. Now move along . . . .

  27. ISPs don't have common carrier status?? by bacchus612 · · Score: 1

    Also, with such tactics, doesn't an ISP lose "common carrier" status

    I can't recall how many times I have posted that ISP's don't have common carrier status. They don't need common carrier status for protection under the DMCA.

    Whoever modded up the parent: YOU FAIL!

    I must have missed your earlier posts - could you please explain why ISPs don't have common carrier status under the law? (in the US)

    1. Re:ISPs don't have common carrier status?? by ishobo · · Score: 4, Informative

      From http://www.cybertelecom.org/ip/dmca.htm:

      Common carrier law establishes, among other things, that the carrier is not liable for the contents of the goods carried. Common carriers have historically come in many flavors: roadhouses (hotels), trucks, trains, telegraph networks, postal services, and telephone networks.

      In recent history, common carrier law has had a focus on communications networks. Communications common carriers (aka telephone networks or historically Ma Bell) are regulated under the Communications Act of 1934. [Title 47 United States Code] In the communications context, Internet networks are not common carriers and are therefore not regulate by the FCC. This created a tension. Internet networks looked, tasted, and smelled like classic common carriers, transporting goods without ownership of or responsibility for the goods transported. But Internet networks did not wish to be considered common carriers in the communications context. This has led to a schizophrenic legal approach that has addressed the liability of networks on a case by case basis, avoiding any classification of common carriage. Congress has consistently concluded that Internet networks should not be liable for the third party content that they carry. The Communications Decency Act created a defense to liability for third party content in the context of liable and defamation. Legislative proposals with regard to Internet gambling generally provide a defense to prosecution for networks that merely provide access to content including Internet gambling without being responsible for that content. And the Digital Millennium Copyright Act created defenses to liability for third party content where ISPs comply with certain provisions of the DMCA.

      This has created an interesting dichotomy where, with regard to the content transmitted, ISPs are essentially common carriers; with regard to the communications networks underneath the Internet ISPs are not common carriers.

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    2. Re:ISPs don't have common carrier status?? by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      This is the first time I've come across this issue, and it begs the question - WHY THE HELL AREN'T ISPs CONSIDERED COMMON CARRIERS???
      The way I see it, they've just given them the protections of a common carrier without any of the requirements. Interestingly enough, giving them common carrier status would solve the network neutrality problem:

      An important legal requirement for common carrier as public provider is that it cannot discriminate, that is refuse the service unless there is some compelling reason (e.g. post doesn't allow to send cash). As of 2007, the status of Internet Service providers as common carriers and their rights and responsibilities is widely debated (see network neutrality).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

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    3. Re:ISPs don't have common carrier status?? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the first time I've come across this issue, and it begs the question - WHY THE HELL AREN'T ISPs CONSIDERED COMMON CARRIERS??? The way I see it, they've just given them the protections of a common carrier without any of the requirements. Interestingly enough, giving them common carrier status would solve the network neutrality problem:

      Answer: ISPs have lobbyists. Welcome to America: government for the highest bidder.

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    4. Re:ISPs don't have common carrier status?? by ishobo · · Score: 1

      It is not so much ISPs as the ILECs. And somebody (as AC) came up with a comment about ISPs were common carriers before 2005 because the FCC reclassified DSL as an information service. What the FCC did was reclassify the underlying transport not the ISP. This allowed the ILECs not to share their DSL network with competitive ISPs via their wholesale companies (such as SBC's ASI) and ultimately not renew contracts when they expire. ILECs pushed for this because it put them on equal footing with the physical plant of the cable companies.

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  28. Wouldn't fly with me by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't use their portal at all. Doing so would involve entering my e-mail password into a page potentially hosted by someone other than the e-mail provider. I don't do that. Period, end of discussion. Not with any password, ever. That kind of thing is exactly what the phishers try to get you to do, and I don't need my passwords leaking out.

    And if they tried to force it by prohibiting direct access to those e-mail sites, I'd send them a little letter with an agreement to fill out. An agreement stating that they take full responsibility for any disclosure of my password, including responsibility for all costs of any sort directly or indirectly related to the disclosure. If they refuse, the whole exchange goes to the regulators attached to a complaint about them requiring me to disclose my passwords to them without them taking responsibility for them.

  29. what can stop them? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    If they are an area monopoly, not market forces. Unfortunately it will take the government to step in.

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  30. New Hampshire's DSL alternative to Fairpoint by ArcRiley · · Score: 1
    I'd like to point New Hampshire residents to MV Communications which offers DSL service throughout New Hampshire.

    Oh, did I mention they'll throw in a static IP on your residential DSL just for asking? I've been using MV for over a year now, they're the best ISP I've ever had.

  31. If I Wasn't Computer Savy... by iVasto · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't even log in to the portal. I would think that it was a horrible phishing scam to steal my passwords.

  32. Excellent... by Brew+Bird · · Score: 1

    I've been waiting for some access provider to have the balls to stand up and RUN their network, instead of letting it run them... Should be interesting to see how long they last.

    1. Re:Excellent... by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      I hope you're talking about forcing a legal conflict by their actions instead of meaning that they should be allowed to do this.

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  33. Yeah, well who do we use? by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    Uh, I'm a Fairpoint DSL customer right now myself. They are WAY WAY cheaper (still around $50 a month for naked "high speed" DSL) than the amazing plethora of one other choice, the cable co, which is even more predatory (well, maybe not anymore) than the telco.

    So, for the blessings of actually being able TO HAVE STINKING EMAIL I'll have to now pay what, about $80 a month? Lovely.

    BTW, I've written everyone down thar 'n flatland, but I aren't holdin my breath... (still, I urge all to do the same).

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    1. Re:Yeah, well who do we use? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Actually, you could probably get EvDO for $50/mo through Sprint or Verizon...

    2. Re:Yeah, well who do we use? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You could try suing them (perhaps in small-claims court?) for false advertising -- they're no longer an "Internet Service Provider" if they don't provide the whole Internet, now are they?

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  34. Re:Good thing - it highlights the opportunity cost by NextGaurd · · Score: 1

    Providing net neutrality means the ISP is giving up money it could have have made by using its monopoly power in one area to force new monopolies. That is already wrong even before it gets to the level where its illegal.

  35. ironic by ouachiski · · Score: 1

    Fairpoint...hmmm how ironic

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  36. random +++ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think throwing in a random +++ works anymore, but back in the day it was amusing... for me anyway.

  37. you are only thinking one step ahead by Yaur · · Score: 1

    The plan is to prove that every alternative (e.g. caps, content mangling) except charging content providers a fee won't work and then demand that they be allowed to do that.

  38. Yahoo has APIs for mail access... by Tetravus · · Score: 1

    meaning that third parties can implement their own interface to Yahoo! mail.

    http://developer.yahoo.com/mail/

    This may be what Fairpoint is doing to give users access through their branded portal. These same APIs mean that any user can implement their own non-Fairpoint approved access mechanism for their webmail.

    It may not be a solution for all users, but at least yahoo's opened up enough that there are options available in the case of abusive network access providers.

  39. "Fairpoint"? I Don't Think So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This company depends on it's monopoly to get any customers at all. This is why, in many of it's areas, it can charge $45 per month for a 768kbit connection. I don't think it's going to care about losing customers, as if that were possible (in it's "higher-than-dialup" speed offerings). The only thing "Fairpoint" has to worry about is whether or not Obama and his cabinet etc can be talked into regulating internet access speeds and/or requiring reasonable service at reasonable prices.

  40. From a fairpoint employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey /.ers, how about some first hand experience here.. this is likely a non-issue. February is our designated cutover date, meaning any former verizon websites are turned off then, and are replaced with the new fairpoint equipment.

  41. ha good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well luckily Maine has some great isps's. I personally don't even known anyone who is using Fairpoint. The ones that are wont have a problem moving elsewhere. I'll be suggesting everyone move to www.gwi.net myself.

  42. TFA is ambiguous and likely misunderstood by Cacadril · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I guess the poster has misunderstood. I also guess the text invites misunderstandings.

    Usually, there are two parties to an agreement, and third parties are all others. But when an agreement between A and B is changed to an agreement between A and C, becase B sold its part to C, then there are suddenly three parties, until everyone forgets B ever was part of the deal.

    To complicate matters even more, there are multiple agreements here, one between the user (A) and Verizon/Fairpoint (B/C), and another between the user and (say) Yahoo. With respect to the second deal, Verizon and Fairpoint are third parties. With respect to the first deal, Yahoo, MSN, etc are third parties.

    NOW tell me what "third party web site" the users will no longer have access to, or will no longer access their emails through.

    I guess the real meaning is that Verizon had a web portal in which Yahoo and some other webmail providers was integrated, so that users could have the impression that Verizon was doing an email service. Now Verizon is closing its site, and Fairpoint is taking over, providing a new portal with similar integrated access to yahoo etc.

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  43. Verizon Portals by Pinky3 · · Score: 1

    If you go to the verizon high speed internet site, you will see that verizon offers customized portals:

    "Kick-start your High Speed Internet experience with a Verizon version of one of the top Internet portals. During your Verizon High Speed Internet installation, choose Verizon Yahoo!, Verizon with AOL ®, or Verizon with Windows LiveTM along with a new Verizon email address."

    These are not the original Yahoo, AOL, and Windows Live, but special Verizon versions. When you lose access to Verizon, you lose access to the special Verizon versions of Yahoo, AOL, and Windows Live.

  44. What's the problem? Fairpoint is replacing Verizon by Agent+ME · · Score: 1

    I'm not seeing the problem, if I'm understanding this right. Verizon offered ISP services, and a service where you could access msn/yahoo/aol email through a Verizon page.
    Now that Fairpoint is taking over, the customers need to use a Fairpoint page instead of a Verizon page.
    Doesn't seem like an issue, just an ISP restructuring its service, not a web filtering scheme by the ISP to force their email program usage.

    The article is kinda vague about this. Any other news articles about this? If not, its probably because this interpretation is right and its a non-issue.

  45. Inaccurate! by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary is inaccurate. Verizon offers MSN and Yahoo! "extras", which basically integrate MSN and Yahoo into their own portal. (I know this, as I am a customer.) All they're saying is that, instead of using Verizon's web portal, they'll be using Fairpoint's, since they're now being served by Fairpoint instead of Verizon.

    There is no network neutrality violation here.

  46. Actually, it's completely unclear, verizon's fault by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    The quote and context are actually completely unclear as to whether the first party is verizon or the webmail provider.

    You would think your email provider, say gmail, would be the first party in the context of email services, with the verizon access page being the third party.

    Or you could consider verizon to be the first party, and the email providers to be the third party.

    If the first is the case, then verizon should be very quick about issuing a clarification.

    If the second is the case, then they better hand their lawyers entrenchment shovels because they'll have FCC filings and various lawsuits through other avenues bearing down on them like an armored division.

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  47. Mail (et. al.) blocking bad? There's a worse issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the much BIGGER issues of outright IP address
    blocking, domain blocking, or port blocking e.g. blocking ALL
    incoming or outgoing port 25 (SMTP mail access) or port 53 (DNS query)
    access?!

    AFAICT many ISPs are guilty of the very very very non net-neutral practice of totally blocking some or all of those things which basically means that you CANNOT connect to / use certain sites WHATSOEVER.

    A while back a friend of mine using SBC (which sucks) was having problems emailing and getting DNS resolutions on a site I helped administer. It turned out that no outbound (initiated by the residential SBC client user) DNS UDP port 53 queries would go ANYWHERE to ANY third party DNS server on the internet -- ONLY access to SBC's DNS was not blocked. This clearly creates problems because their servers were not properly recursively serving DNS information for various 3rd party domains, as well as creating the non-net-neutrality and security problems of of FORCING someone to use a single source non-authoritative DNS server (which might be poisoned, hijacked, or maliciously used to facilitate MITM spoofing attacks) instead of a preferred / alternate DNS provider like say OpenDNS or whatever.

    Port 25 blocking was also in effect for him thus wholly preventing inbound receipt of mail going to him as well as preventing him from initiating email to any other site. The only option was to use the SBC webmail or SMTP relays which again is problematic due to forcing someone to use a non preferred configuration / vendor (not neutral) as well as problematic since it opens up many security and reliability problems. If the person could connect directly to the destination site, they'd have the opportunity to use TLS/SSL/certificate based security to ensure the integrity, confidentiality, and authenticity of the transaction. If there's a problem delivering the message, the failure status could be instantly known in many cases. Being FORCED to use an insecure 3rd party 'proxy' server for SMTP (or DNS or HTTP or whatever) just invites snooping, loss of reliability, loss of security, unnecessary delays in transmission, and the lack of verifiability of whether there's a problem with the commuinication. Due to that these days when I email someone I never really know WHAT the status of the transmission was... did it even GET to the destination mail server / mailbox? Or was it accepted as "ALL OK" by some 3rd party proxy server which promptly lost / deleted the traffic without the recipient or sender ever seeing a message / bounce / error code?

    WTF are people DOING to the internet anymore? It isn't the freaking real internet anymore, it's the "interweb" (forget about protocols other than HTTP, they're being increasingly blocked) with N layers of snooping, monitoring, filtering, and unreliability thrown in. The fiascos with Australian, Chinese, Fairpoint, Comcast, SBC. et. al. filtering / tampering / snooping just prove this.

    It is not uncommon for institutional bad actors to even intentionally spoof DNS data and even forge CA certificates to promote their agendas of control and eavesdropping / tampering with the communications. Isn't it time to put a stop to all this and demand a PROTOCOL / SITE NEUTRAL internet again?

  48. I am a Fairpoint Maine customer by diablo-d3 · · Score: 1

    I just got the letter today, and my interpretation is if you get any MSN or Yahoo value added services or use a Verizon email address, you now access these services through a Fairpoint URL and Fairpoint email servers. You are no longer a Verizon DSL customer, you are now a Fairpoint DSL customer.

    In other words, nothing has changed, you just type in a new URL from now on to access webmail and MSN/Yahoo Verizon^WFairpoint services, and you change the POP/SMTP settings in your email client.

    At no point is Fairpoint blocking the real MSN and Yahoo websites nor blocking you from using MSN and Yahoo directly for your non-bundled-service services.

    Slashdot jumped the gun.

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  49. THE INTERNET IS NOT THE "PRODUCT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my mind this is yet another attempt to extort you into paying for a service that by all accounts can be provided to you for free (or at least very close to free). I am so sick of this kind of crap. It's like buying a blackberry only to be forced to pay for internet service because your PHONE SERVICE PROVIDER assumes that because it utilizes some form of 2-way communication via a cellular tower YOU NEED TO PAY EXTRA FOR IT!!! Despite the fact that out of the box blackberrys are made to be net-devices that are also capable of phone calls, service providers turn them into a PHONE that can (for an additional overtly excessive fee) be used as a net-device.

    After the infra-structure is put down, how many times over should a customer base be expected to repay the investment? How many times do you get directly charged to use an ordinary public road or sidewalk? How many times are you charged just for entering a store front? According to the current mind-set concerning internet access, the store owner has even more right to charge you, he has to pay for rent, insurance, restocking, shipping, accounting..etc. If the world you walk in were the same as the internet, you wouldn't be able to breathe without paying for it, and you would have to pay, because the 300 lb oaf on your chest won't let you breathe until you pay!!!

    Costs are inefficiencies. In order to keep things rolling efficiently, you must eliminate all costs that you don't need. While the internet is a great road to build a shop on, it is not the shop. While the internet is a great place to find products, in itself, it IS NOT THE PRODUCT!

  50. Everybody's reading this wrong by autocracy · · Score: 1

    Oi. They're talking about email addresses that were Verizon specific and provided via deals with AOL, Yahoo! and MSN. Remember those disks we /. users never touched? AOL for Broadband? That's what they're talking about having to access via the Fairpoint portal. This is because Verizon will no longer carry the information.

    Emphasis changed by me:

    Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net

    This is NOT filtering. This is only for those who already access their email via the Verizon website. The /. interpretation of the article, and most (all?) the related comments are WRONG.

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  51. The big secret by 56ksucks · · Score: 1

    Farpoint is actually a life form!!

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  52. It is in every governments interest to keep NN up by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    When you look at it closely and monitor how people react to censorship, you notice that it is in every governments best interest to keep net neutrality alive and limit filtering to an absolute minimum.

    We all know what business the governments of today are in (as they were since the beginning of time): Power. Retaining power and limiting the power of their subjects. This includes the ability to watch your subjects movements and discussions. Which is currently trivial, concerning the internet. Everyone has an IP address which can be traced to a real person, provided the provider agrees, which is again trivial with a search warrant (and often without). The data transmitted often appears in plaintext (HTML is hardly any kind of "encryption"), so even finding out what a certain user does on the internet is easy to determine.

    This is all true and possible because of net neutrality and general apathy (and cluelessness) of the internet users. They can access their pr0n pages and TPB, along with the odd conspiracy page and other, maybe anti-government pages abroad, from their IP address, so why bother with onion routers and encryption?

    If you start to filter, people will react. They will find out how to circumvent those filters, and tools to bypass them do exist. YouTube started to filter content for my country which shouldn't be used here (mostly music videos. I tried and found out I can still access all the content my country deems illegal for non-business reasons... shows who reacts quicker, business or government, but anyway). What was the logic result? Tor.

    Now, pretty much everyone has a friend or some kind of information source (how about the internet for example?) that can show them how to bypass filtering by using proxies, encryption and the like. So he gets again what has been "outlawed" for him to see. With the only difference that now the government cannot even find out that he was trying to get this information. If you filter pages that deal with bomb building, you will not be able to see when people look at them.

    And look they will. People don't like being filtered. They don't want this to happen so they will do whatever necessary to get rid of it and return to doing what they enjoyed doing. If that includes using proxies and encryption, they will do that. The net effect for a government, if they allow net neutrality to disappear, is that their whole effort to spy on their subjects becomes moot.

    Note: I do support net neutrality and I'm very opposed to government snooping, but hey, if you want government's support, you have to show them what's in it for them. Saying "that's bad" won't do anything. Show them why it is in their interest to support your point of view. They want to spy on us. Now, I can't keep them from doing that, but I can give them a reason to support my case so they can do what they want to do.

    For the things i don't want them to know, there's still proxies and encryption...

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  53. Glad you caught it! by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Killer drop in on the comma splice there, champ!

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  54. Right by rofthorax · · Score: 1

    Do that and they will be breaking the law by invading people's privacy.. They probably just overlooked something.. I smell executive firings..

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  55. US is becoming fascistic by louzer · · Score: 1

    Once we cut of people from free information.. propaganda can flourish, Truth can be rewritten just like in Orwell's 1984.

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  56. FairPoint Blocking Access to Web Portals by tchazzard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hello:

    What is the source of the quote "Fairpoint's profit plan: force all Webmail users through Fairpoint's portal, by blocking all direct access to Webmail portals other than its own." This is flat out incorrect. No where in the communication did it state that FairPoint would block access to other portals. Rather the point was that FairPoint, unlike Verizon, is not going to ask a user to select a co-branded portal at the time they sign up. These co-branded portals included MSN, AOL, and Yahoo! A Verizon customer could always just select the Verizon Central portal. FairPoint, like more traditional ISPs, will have their own portal which provides access to their web mail client and other services such as account maintenance. A user is free to head to any and all other web sites they desire to visit, can POP their email, etc. So please check the facts before posting some half baked comment.

    1. Re:FairPoint Blocking Access to Web Portals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

      That says their customers must use myfairpoint.net because mail.yahoo.com won't be reachable. Other comments have said that's not true, it's just some extra frontend that's going away, and nobody has explained why it existed in the first place.

  57. Yeah, right... by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    Verizon can't even provide me with reliable VOICE service. EvDO here is pretty worthless. In any case even if it worked fine your talking FAR less bandwidth and MUCH greater latency. There really is no comparison. Had satellite service for a while and that was a joke too.

    Not saying nothing will ever come along, but at least up here in Vermont (and I'm in the most populated area of the state) there are 2 viable choices, Comcast, and Fairpoint.

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    1. Re:Yeah, right... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't want either Comcast or Fairpoint, what about some fiber provider? T1s sure as hell aren't cheap, but...

  58. MSN Premium Browser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use the MSN Premium Browser Verizon supplied me here in NH. All my familys email is with MSN as well. Does this mean Fairpoint is dropping this MSN feature supplied by Verizon? I will loose all my Favorites with MSN? also loose my msn.com email?
        If so what can I do to keep and access my msn.com email address's,favorites and still use their browser?
    Capt.

  59. News flash: Tor use jumps 100000% in ME, NH, VT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  60. Port Blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly which ports is UnfairPoint blocking? Are they also forcing a MITM web cache?

  61. False Headline! by joeslugg · · Score: 1

    I can't believe the uproar caused by an article from the technology journalism superpower that is the Rutland Herald...

    I live in NH - if you could all calm down for 2 minutes I will try to explain:

    Verizon.net ISP provided a convenience site whereby Yahoo!, AOL and MSN users could read their email from a pretty, Verizon-branded portal. (Let's call this portal "Third Party Web Site".) or they could read their email directly from the sites of those webmail providers.

    Starting soon, Fairpoint is taking over for Verizon in VT, NH, and ME (that's Maine, not "me"). Not suprisingly, "s/verizon/fairpoint/"

    So the now *Fairpoint* customers can't keep using "Third Party Site" which is provied by Verizon.net (which still exists, just not in VT, NH, and ME)

    In its place, customers can now use the new "Fairpoint Third Party Web Site" or they could use the sites of their direct webmail providers.

    Now go back and RTFA again. Get it now? Not as scary?

    I'm no Fairpoint fanboi by any means, but this is the worst case of Slashdot hysteria I've ever seen.

  62. No kidding by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    Sure, if you want to pay something like $800 a month for your internet access you can bypass Fairpoint by purchasing an entire T1. I suppose if you just want say 512k bandwidth you could get a fractional T and maybe pay oh only like $250 a month! What a deal!

    Oh, and of course don't forget, now you'll need to purchase a nice expensive router/dsu/csu instead of going with the standard cheap consumer stuff.

    I'm thrilled, that's a really amazing alternative, lol! Granted the service will be somewhat higher quality than DSL/cable, but I hardly think you can really consider commercial data services as an equivalent replacement for retail grade service.

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  63. Encounter at Fairpoint by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    exactly one encounter with Fairpoint customer dissservice

    Well, that's what you always get when you try to reason with an omnipotent being.

    "Thou art notified that that thy kind has infiltrated the Internet too far already. Thou art directed to return to thine own subnet immediately."

    One can only hope Fairpoint turns into a giant jellyfish and buggers off into space.

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  64. What's really going on here by Harik · · Score: 1

    Yeah a debt-dodging temporary offshoot of a major monopoly puts out a badly-worded update regarding their email service - huge shocker. As anyone with more of a clue then a slashdot editor realized, this simply meant that the branded email services were being transferred from the myverzion to "myverizon except skinned myfairpoint" portal.

    Here's my guess as to what's going to happen. Verizon spins off "Fairpoint", saddles it with shitloads of debt. After a short term (under 3 years) Fairpoint cites "Market factors outside our control" and goes bankrupt, discharging the debt. Verizon provides DIP financing, which gives them priority access to their assets, Fairpoint fails 6 months later and Verizon gets it all back, minus the debt. Presto!

  65. Just got off the phone with Fairpoint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I was just told, this is not a Net Neutrality issue. Here is a clarification based on my conversation.

    When people originally signed up for FIOS, they were encouraged to "pick a portal" to go through for their eMail and whatever customized portal content they wanted. This was done via agreements Verizon made with MSN, AOL, Yahoo, etc. Users that selected an AOL Portal got eMail accounts @aol.com instead of @verizon.net. Once Fairpoint makes the full break with Verizon, the agreements with these Third-Party Portals will be void and it is -this- access and no other that is in contention.

    Fairpoint subscribers will still have unfettered access to the Internet. If they have _independent_ eMail accounts with these same third parties then these will continue to work normally. Nothing will block mail.yahoo.com - nothing will usurp your ability to read this eMail or force you to do anything else.

    Now... with that said... we'll just have to see what Jan 31st brings and what "the truth" of the matter is.

  66. Is this simple proposal the answer? by the+lost+emperor · · Score: 1

    http://snurl.com/9ae09 Define "internet" as only those things conforming to the IP standard.

  67. Fairpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I Didn't read all the comments, that I will admit, however there seems to be a misunderstanding about the identity of the third part website mentioned. I agree that it certaintly makes more logical sense that the website referred to is the verizon portal however it does not seem to be what was actually meant. I am a fairpoint customer in NH and from all of the paperwork in the mail I have been getting recently from fairpoint it does not seem that they mind mentioniong verizons name anywhere, and I recieved a letter on this topic and it made it clear that the webmail would be read from fairpoints portal. This doesn't really surprise me much though, with fairpoint being such a limited, low, and amateur company, How many times have they gone bankrupt in the past few years again was it?