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FDA Testing Artificial Liver

NIckGorton writes "Research is now underway in the US to seek FDA approval for an artificial liver. The Extracorporeal Liver Assist Device (ELAD) filters blood through a cartridge containing immortalized human liver cells with fiber tubes running through that allow the patients blood to interact with them. This allows the matrix of liver cells to perform both the metabolic (cleansing the blood of toxins/waste) and synthetic (producing albumin, clotting factors, etc) functions of the patient's failing liver. A small trial in China showed a statistically and clinically significant difference in 30 day survival with ELAD."

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  1. Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by Zymergy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

    "Don't worry, there's nobody who's had their Liver taken out by Us who's survived."

    1. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      This is great. I can start drinking again!

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    2. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Seriously, it's stuff like this where FDA protections can slow things enough to cost more lives than they've saved in the last 20 years. What's a year's worth of people dying from no liver transplants available? 5 years of it? 8?

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    3. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Informative

      FDA protections? How about the restrictions on stem cell research. Add the people who could have benefitted, but died because of the technology delay, to the list of GW Bush's victims.

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    4. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "This is great. I can start drinking again!"

      I hear ya, first thing I thought of!!

      I live in New Orleans, where drinking is part of the way of life here. I used to never have a problem with hangovers, till about 2 years ago...when I first discovered what one REALLY was. And in he past year, after only 4-5 beers, I can be laid up with a hang over for next day. I joking tell people I think I blew a liver last year....

      Nice to know they may have a back up for me in a few years...

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    5. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by freefrag · · Score: 1

      The FDA is an affront to medical freedom in the US. Like all regulatory agencies, it has formed a cartel with the businesses it was implemented to regulate. We are left with mainstream medical knowledge subject to lobbyists. The FDA pushes flawed studies as irrefutable science, dangerous drugs, and a diet not suited to humans.

      Private, voluntary certification companies like Underwriters Laboratories have an incentive to be honest, because they will go out of business if discredited. Likewise, pharmaceutical companies need the certification of an outside party to gain and keep the trust of consumers. The FDA should not be that party. Unlike the UL, it is a government bureaucracy that does not need to maintain a good reputation to stay in power.

    6. Re:Hello, Eh, Can we have your Liver? by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Nice to know they may have a back up for me in a few years...

      Ha ha, very funny! My chemo, for liver disease caused by blood products that were gathered at Arkansas, and later, Louisiana prison systems, comes to an end in two weeks (then follow-up). Those blood products cleared the FDA, despite not having been tested for hepatitis and HIV. Tests which were in existence for at least several years at that point. Connaught Labs. Blood is a billion dollar business, and nothing is as crucial to living as the functions (over 5,000) performed by livers every day.

      But the idea that a liver that's going bad may allow you to wait a few years for a new extracorporeal? Don't bank on it pal. You'll drown in urine way before that happens. If you really sense you're having problems, get to a specialist. If you are noticing that it takes less alcohol to put you in gear, that's not a good sign. I don't need to know you, or anyone, to say that I wouldn't wish this shit on anybody. So, check it out. If I'm wrong, believe me, this is something I'd love being wrong about.

  2. Yum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now if we could just get some artificial onions to go with that...

    1. Re:Yum by Holi · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was feeling more like fava beans, and maybe a nice chianti.

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    2. Re:Yum by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Now if we could just get some artificial onions to go with that...

      Ketchup. LOTS of ketchup. Anything to hide the taste.

    3. Re:Yum by Slumdog · · Score: 1

      I was feeling more like fava beans, and maybe a nice chianti.

      Infact at first glance, I thought it said "FDA Tasting....". Funny And btw, why are they testing in China?

    4. Re:Yum by aynoknman · · Score: 1

      Now if we could just get some artificial onions to go with that...

      I was feeling more like fava beans, and maybe a nice chianti.

      What does an nice artificial chianti do and what does it taste like?

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    5. Re:Yum by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      It tastes almost (but not entirely) unlike real chianti.

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    6. Re:Yum by attackc0de · · Score: 1

      Liver and Onions...love the stuff. Hopefully this means I can now get a green/environmentally-friendly/low-glycemic/soy-based/fair-trade version of liver, and a California tax rebate! We'll see...

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    7. Re:Yum by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Do they have any idea what this will do to the liver and onion market on Reticula?

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    8. Re:Yum by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      And btw, why are they testing in China?

      It might have something to do with the fact that so many millions of people in China have liver diseases. The estimate on just Hepatitis B is around 130 million. A lot of traditional Chinese medicine revolves around liver treatments, probably because "as goes the liver, so goes the rest." So there's a huge population to use in the understanding of all sorts of issues related to liver function.

      Hepatitis C was first isolated in the late 70s, I think. The first test for it was 1981. But it is known, now, to have been developing for at least several thousand years. The various genotypes of C each have millions of sub-species, in a sense. And it is thought that those shifting, replicating sub-species (or quasi-species might be the "real" term) are responsible for our immune systems' inability to fight it off indefinitely. The actual virus is small enough that it has never even been "seen" with the best microscopes in existence. So, having hundreds of millions of interested "subjects" makes research there almost a no-brainer.

  3. Immortalized? by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    And they take your blood... wooden stake anyone?

  4. Imagine... by CapsaicinBoy · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just imagine... a beowulf cluster of cancer cells! Woo!

  5. Until they test... by symbolset · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until the FDA starts making food safe, I have no interest in their medical findings. I'm not sick YET.

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    1. Re:Until they test... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I'm not sick YET.

      You will be. You will be.

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    2. Re:Until they test... by symbolset · · Score: 1

      You will be. You will be.

      Probably. I had the peanut sauce at the Thai place for lunch.

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    3. Re:Until they test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Believe me when I say this... No one cares.

  6. IMMORTAL! by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I for one, and this might just be my superstitious self, would be concerned about the prospect of my bodily fluids interacting with biological material that has been, so to speak, "immortalized."

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    1. Re:IMMORTAL! by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There can be only one!

    2. Re:IMMORTAL! by grotopotamus · · Score: 2, Funny

      This research brought to you in part by the Umbrella Corporation.

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    3. Re:IMMORTAL! by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      immortalized cells aren't just for cancer and vampires, your stem cells are also effectively immortal as well.

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    4. Re:IMMORTAL! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Side effects may include nausea, dizziness, dry mouth, and the tendency to transform into a zombie when exposed to the light of the full moon.

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    5. Re:IMMORTAL! by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      ...the prospect of my bodily fluids interacting with biological material...

      Are you sure you didn't mean to type "precious bodily fluids?"

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    6. Re:IMMORTAL! by eriks · · Score: 1

      Well, at least until the body that those stem cells live in dies, that is...

    7. Re:IMMORTAL! by feepness · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, your liver will simply run around the Scottish countryside lopping off other livers' heads.

    8. Re:IMMORTAL! by j235 · · Score: 1

      And (seemingly major) mild electrical shock.

    9. Re:IMMORTAL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Until you chop off their heads to gain their power.

    10. Re:IMMORTAL! by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I for one, and this might just be my superstitious self, would be concerned about the prospect of my bodily fluids interacting with biological material that has been, so to speak, "immortalized."

      Huh - slashdotters are so supernatural-minded.

      What they actually do is get the surviving Beatles to re-form and compose a number 1 hit song about liver cells, hire a Nobel laureate to write a book about them and hang a picture of the donor liver in the Louvre.

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    11. Re:IMMORTAL! by Canazza · · Score: 1

      I think most /.ers can relate to a man who denys women his essence. although not by choice i'm sure.

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    12. Re:IMMORTAL! by DieNadel · · Score: 1

      Best comment in this thread!

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  7. An artificial liver? by Trillan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll drink to that!

    1. Re:An artificial liver? by ibbie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kind of ironic that they're doing the trial in China - now the test subjects can have their very own drunken immortal. :D

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    2. Re:An artificial liver? by gormanw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Let's not forget that iron lungs and dialysis machines started this way. The liver is an amazing organ and has great regenerative properties. However, it can be easily damaged and transplants aren't very successful. It is sad that China, known for organ harvesting, has led the research on this.

  8. Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do believe I'll have another Manhattan!

    1. Re:Sweet! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      s/dream/reality/

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  9. Waiting for its most stringent test! by JamesP · · Score: 1

    Spring Break

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  10. Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hm, immortal. How is that different from cancerous? And all of the immune cells are really carefully filtered out so there's no potential for graft-vs-host disease if one gets loose in the patient, right?

    1. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by dondelelcaro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hm, immortal. How is that different from cancerous?

      Cell immortality is orthogonal to the abnormal replication present in cancerous cells. There are lots of cells in your body which are effectively immortal but do not undergo abnormal replication, and are therefore not cancerous. [Obvious examples are your spermatogonia and progenitor cells in your bone marrow.]

      As far as immune cells go, so long as you've avoided including proliferative immune cells, you should be free from graft vs host issues. Growing the hepatocytes from cell lines that have been sorted pretty much guarantees this.

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    2. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but the immortal liver cells in this device could very well be cancerous. Isn't the most common method for immortalizing cell lines in the lab to fuse the desired cell with cancer cells to form an immortal hybrid (selecting for the hybrids by both immortality and a genetic marker)?

      I think that great care would need to be taken to make sure that the cells never leak into your blood stream. That shouldn't be too hard with the right engineering, but there certainly is some cause for concern.

    3. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by dondelelcaro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, but the immortal liver cells in this device could very well be cancerous.

      Sure, but they don't have to be. (Car analogy: Ferrari's are often red, but they don't have to be.)

      Isn't the most common method for immortalizing cell lines in the lab to fuse the desired cell with cancer cells to form an immortal hybrid (selecting for the hybrids by both immortality and a genetic marker)?

      Not really. What you're talking about is a hybridoma, which is generally used in the formation of monoclonal antibodies. As far as what method is actually used to produce the line, it really depends on what you want a cell line for. (Cell lines are immortal by definition, by the way; they don't get immortalized.)

      Most common cell lines are actually just isolated from various kinds of tumors, though.

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    4. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      It should be noted that the liver cells used in this device are most certainly cancer cells- the HepG2/C3A line was originally grown from a hepatocellular carcinoma cell taken out of a 15-year old boy. You can buy some here in fact.

      Use of these cancer cells in an artificial liver does create the risk of transfer to the patient, but the cells in question will be suspended in a collagen matrix, and is kept separate from the blood by a dialysis-type semipermeable membrane. Contracting cancer from this device requires that the dialysis membrane fail, that cancer cells get out of the collagen and into the filtrate, that the cancer cells are not caught by the dual membrane cell filter, and that once in the body, a cancer cell from a line noted for low tumorigenic potential implants somewhere and begins to form a tumor. Not impossible, but it is unlikely.

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    5. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also very important to note is that anyone who is getting this treatment is going to be seriously ill to begin with, and without it will be dying. I'm sure that they'll consider a chance of getting cancer is a small price to pay.

    6. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by sjames · · Score: 1

      And of course, if it really means the difference between life and death, that tiny risk is certainly worth it.

    7. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      In addition, the liver is composed of cells that are almost certainly incompatible with the patient ; any stray cells that manage to get through all those formidable layers of physical protection are going to be mercilessly exterminated by even the weakest immune system.

      This is the reason for keeping the liver separate from the patient behind a dialysing membrane in the first place - otherwise their immune system will kill it in very short order.

    8. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Cancer cells that aren't the patients cells are highly, highly unlikely to result in a cancerous growth unless a patient is highly immunocompromised. An even marginal functional immune system can recognize cells that are not of the host organism and attack them. The reason cancer is dangerous is that the cells are your own and thus the immune system doesn't recognize them as "other" and attack them.

      Thus the fact that cancer, in general, is not contagious. There are certain very rare exceptions that have been observed in dogs and Tazmanian devils, but as far as I know, never in humans.

    9. Re:Immortal liver cells want BLOOD! by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 1

      They sure are (cancerous).

      On the bright side, your immune system will happily slaughter any cells making it into your body (AKA cancer is not contagious*). The barriers and filters exist to protect the device and the cell lines from your white cells, not the other way around.

      *Yes I know about oncoviruses and animal contagious cancers. One is a vector and not really the type of thing we are discussing here. The other, well, animal sort of gives it away.

  11. Artifical Liver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a two time kidney transplant recipient myself, I know how hard it is to live with organ failure. I met a guy who had gone through 3 liver transplants, and hepatitis had killed all of them. He is all right now,on his fourth transplant, but something like this can make all the difference in the world to people waiting for a liver. Especially since he had two small daughters.

    1. Re:Artifical Liver by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Interesting also that this is kind of a hybrid. The outside is artificial but the actual operating cells are normal liver cells.

      Makes me wonder about building an artificial heart powered by normal muscle. It would solve the power supply problem.

    2. Re:Artifical Liver by BobisOnlyBob · · Score: 1

      The heart IS a muscle... the trick would be building an artificial heart powered by the body's own nervous energy, or somehow replacing the vulnerable cartilage and passageways of the heart with artificial materials. Besides, a lot of heart issues are with the muscle itself, beginning with arrhythmia and the like. Building an artificial muscle that's powered by the existing bodily systems, now there's a trick and a half.

    3. Re:Artifical Liver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So who is this guy that he's been pushed to the front of the queue waiting for a liver transplant not just once, but three more times?

      According to the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS) there are currently more than 17,000 people waiting for a liver transplant in the US. And only 5,300 transplant operations per year (2002 data) are being performed.

      If hepatitis has, indeed, destroyed each of the multiple donated organs placed into this bozo, it's time for him to step aside and to give someone else a chance to live.

    4. Re:Artifical Liver by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Hate to say it, but, after "killing" 3 people (4 - his 1 chance) for your own survival. Who knows how many children those 3 people had? Can you admit taking 3 livers away from people so you can live is the right thing?

      Using the word "self-preservation" only means selfishness, you may argue all you like about the 2 daughters, but... here in this world ALL people should be equal. You get 1 chance. Maybe if this guy is a nobel prize winner and is helping advance society at a wonderful rate, where he's saving human lives, we give him 2 or more. So I ask, will the daughters still live after he dies? Has he saved any lives himself? No lies, you know the truth.

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    5. Re:Artifical Liver by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Okay, the only problem I see is your definition of "inhuman". You say its inhuman for the guy to expect someone to willingly die... but I say its inhuman to let others die. Being humane is caring for others, being inhuman is self-preservation.

      No, he shouldn't technically refuse it, I agree. But he should (keyword, should, but doesn't have to) think of the others, based on the statistics posted above: 11,700 people don't get transplants. What are the odds that person is a child under 18? Although the original response was a bit hostile and I can see how you can get defensive, his point still remains valid. Sorry

      And maybe the guy was never told 1 of 11,700 people won't be getting this transplant if we give you your 2nd-4th, perhaps bringing this to light and seeing this guys' humanity take effect over self preservation may come in place, and he may very well volunteer not to have it. Who knows? I know of a few people who would rather sacrifice their life for others (talk to some firemen for example, but that is "risk" and not sacrifice, but there are still other people who would sacrifice)

      It's never easy telling someone they have to die to help another live (like telling the parents of conjoined twins, which child they want to keep), and your emotions are understandable. You didn't want to hear it, but it has to be said...

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    6. Re:Artifical Liver by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      You can be a live donor of a liver. They only need to take part of a donor liver to transplant it.

  12. Chinese controls by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

    A small trial in China showed a statistically and clinically significant difference in 30 day survival with ELAD.

    So more people with this ELAD liver replacement were alive at 30 days than a control group, who presumably had their livers removed and replaced with nothing...

    1. Re:Chinese controls by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      It's about time people started doing this research. It's been woefully lacking in the last few decades.

    2. Re:Chinese controls by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 1

      a control group, who presumably had their livers removed and replaced with nothing...

      It's about time people started doing this research. It's been woefully lacking in the last few decades.

      Yeah, ever since Nazi Germany fell, mad science just wasn't what it used to be... *sigh*

    3. Re:Chinese controls by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      AKA Student Dissidents.

    4. Re:Chinese controls by Jay+L · · Score: 1

      a control group, who presumably had their livers removed and replaced with nothing...

      Don't be ridiculous. They use sugar pills.

      (Or Folger's crystals!)

  13. "Immortalized"? by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice way of saying "we're replacing your bad liver cancer with a good liver cancer in this handy take-home plug-in box".

    1. Re:"Immortalized"? by spacefiddle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      we're replacing your bad liver cancer with a good liver cancer

      Ultimately, as we understand more, i believe the mechanisms of cancer will be more harnessed than eliminated.

    2. Re:"Immortalized"? by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 1

      You know, if you have 30 days to live because of liver failure, I think getting cancer is worth extending that by a few months...

    3. Re:"Immortalized"? by Pentagram · · Score: 1

      My understanding of cancer (IANAO and I may not entirely know what I'm talking about here) is that there is no "mechanism" as such -- it's simply uncontrolled cell growth. Generally it occurs when a cell's genes that limit its growth or cause apoptosis get corrupted.

    4. Re:"Immortalized"? by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      You know, if you have 30 days to live because of liver failure, I think getting cancer is worth extending that by a few months...

      Here's the thing. You wouldn't actually have cancer if on this device, not unless the barriers between the blood flow and the cultured liver cancer cells allowed these immortalised cells to enter your body and lodge somewhere else. Then, depending on how well your own immune system took care of the invaders, you could be in *real* trouble. If we're talking about something that most people can't reject there could be real problems - especially if it becomes transmissible, as has been observed with certain cancers in dogs, hamsters and the Tasmanian Devil.

      It's a great idea, and I'd hope that we'll see more of this kind of thing in the future, but I'd really like some assurances that either the tissues involved can't survive "naked" in the human body or that the developers of the tissue culture have also developed theraputic antibodies that target it.

  14. Immortals by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 1

    Immortal cells - the deadliest cleansing force in all of Asia. We put their name to the test.

  15. Looks like they found a way to... by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

    ...save the liver!

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  16. Plumbing for Struldbrugs by rlseaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's no information about the interface of this device to the patient. Blood flow to the liver is rather unique (http://biology.about.com/library/organs/bldigestliver.htm), with 3/4 of its bloodflow coming from the portal vein and 1/4 from the hepatic artery. The blood mixes before being processed by the liver.

    Is the device similarly fed by both arterial and venous sources? How is the pressure compensated? Where is the output reintroduced? Does the device run in parallel to the natural liver or in series? If the latter, which receives the blood first? Does it attempt to handle any of the other numerous functions of the liver such as the creation of bile or lymph?

    1. Re:Plumbing for Struldbrugs by Spikeles · · Score: 4, Informative

      They don't touch the liver. It just takes plasma from your blood, pumps it through the filters and then returns it. Bunch of diagrams and pictures here, here and here

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    2. Re:Plumbing for Struldbrugs by bluephone · · Score: 1

      I wish I mad mod points just so I could +1 this for the Niven reference.

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    3. Re:Plumbing for Struldbrugs by rlseaman · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the references! Fascinating.

      They might be missing something in the fundamental architecture. The point of the exercise is to diminish the load on the liver to permit it to heal (at least to gain time). By tapping into the circulatory system at some point remote from the ailing organ, they are relying on matching the impedance (as it were) of the entire somatic beast. If, instead, they more closely seek to localize the interface and to mimic the equilibrium load on the natural organ, the liver may be given more of a respite.

      As with other differential rate equations, if the liver can heal just a little bit faster - perhaps even if the patient on the whole becomes a little bit sicker - the net gain may be very significant.

      In general, the goal must be to develop the capability of providing the full functionality of each organ in enough fidelity to freely swap artificial life support in and out at will. As such, the interfaces must be honored in full detail. It isn't enough to imitate a liver, one seeks to replicate a liver, including its natural configuration within the human system architecture.

  17. For the US market, they're offering a range.... by CFD339 · · Score: 1, Funny

    The product line itself will vary in capability and price. From the basic "Joe Sixpack" model, you can move up to the "Jazz Musician". If you've got enough money you can go all the way up to the full "Kieth Richards" model.

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    1. Re:For the US market, they're offering a range.... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      ...all the way up to the full "Kieth Richards" model.

      Does it prevent you from being killed by mortal weapons, or just any snorted, injected, inhaled, or eaten compound?

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  18. A longer term solution... by MikeUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think I'd just ask if they could immortalize all of my body's cells.

    1. Re:A longer term solution... by argent · · Score: 1

      Sure, it's called "cancer".

  19. Some background by necro81 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some background on why an artificial liver is a really big deal, and why it has been really hard until now to produce one:

    (Any doctors or biologists more knowledgeable can fill in the gaps and correct me)

    The liver breaks down toxins in the blood by metabolizing them. That is, they get broken down into simpler compounds by chemical reactions that take place in and around living cells. Contrast this with dialysis - an artificial kidney - which is able to work by filtering out chemicals based on molecular weight. Dialysis uses bundles of membranes that allow relatively light molecules (such as water) to pass through, but block heavier ones. The stuff the liver breaks down are too unwieldy or complex to be filtered out based just on weight - there are lots of other, good things in the blood that are of similar weight or complexity. A simple filter can't distinguish them; hepatocytes (liver cell clusters) can.

    The task of creating the filtering membrane of a dialysis machine is a relatively well understood materials and processing problem. An artificial liver, which usually has a mini dialysis unit on the front or back end, also requires you to have living clusters of cells, and keep them alive, nourished, and healthy long enough for them to do some effective and therapeutic blood filtering. That's a much trickier biological problem, and we are only now getting decent at it.

    The uses for a bio-artificial liver is huge. It can help people with chronic liver failure live longer and healthier lives, true, but it has more uses than that. The liver, as it turns out, is one of the few organs that can regenerate itself. If it is damaged by disease or some toxic insult, it is possible for it to repair itself if given the chance (in normally healthy people - the liver can also be damaged beyond repair). The problem is that in lots of cases the patient will die before the liver gets a chance to heal, leaving two options: hope for a liver transplant on really short notice, or die. A device like this can be a bridge to transplant or, in some cases, take the burden off the liver long enough for it to heal itself.

    1. Re:Some background by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      My mother has lived with Cirrhosis of liver for past decade(caused by a bad doctor prescribing painkillers for 6 months instead of proper diagnosis).
      This artificial liver could help her IF her body could accept it.
      Problem is FDA has a knack of approving stuff before it is really ready for real world. FDA is owned by pharma companies.

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    2. Re:Some background by Samah · · Score: 1

      If it is damaged by disease or some toxic insult, it is possible for it to repair itself...

      Hey liver, yo' momma's so fat, she's immortal!

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  20. Re:I wanna live forever by dondelelcaro · · Score: 1

    Well if they can "immortalize" liver cells, then why can't they immortalized *all* of my cells?

    We could, but you almost certainly wouldn't like the results. (Well, we most likely could do so theoretically; the ethics board would kill us if we tried.)

    Death of cells via apoptosis, phagocytosis and sometimes even necrosis is a very important part of normal processes in your body. WIthout them you'd be a continuously expanding ball of flesh (assuming you even made it to a stage of embryogenesis that could be called a "ball of flesh")

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  21. Force feed it a few days. See how it tastes. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Where do we put the funnel? (Don't answer that.)

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    1. Re:Force feed it a few days. See how it tastes. by wisty · · Score: 1

      Probably like pig liver. Has anyone in the FDA, um, tested it?

  22. Cure for hemophilia... by Rooked_One · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    albeit a not so pretty one...

    Currently hemophiliacs must give themselves a shot in order to obtain the factor 8 they need to complete the factor chain and make a clot.

    In an extreme accident where a person couldn't be able to give themselves the medicine immediately, the chances for survival drop greatly.

    Knowing that they could walk around like a normal person would be a god-send to these people.

    1. Re:Cure for hemophilia... by Daravon · · Score: 1

      I think this breakthrough only covers part of the liver's function instead of being a drop in replacement of the entire organ.

      Many of the comments posted by people much more knowledgeable than myself seem to indicate that this can be used to help a liver do its job of detoxification to ease some of the burden on the liver to let it heal itself.

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  23. Never compete with bacon by rhinokitty · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oi, the fake bacon kicks ass. The fake liver can't hold a candle to it, I don't care how many fiber tubes it contains.

  24. immortalized cells? by sleigher · · Score: 1

    You guys think I can get them to immortalize the rest of my cells?

    just asking......

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  25. The FDA is NOT testing this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The FDA is only a regulatory body...this test is being run by Vital Therapies Inc along with a wide range of hospitals and research organizations

    Not the FDA...know the basics...

  26. "Small trial in China" actually means by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "we didn't want to worry about medical ethics"

  27. A toast by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    Christopher Hitchens will be so relieved.

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  28. FDA invades China!!! by purpleraison · · Score: 1

    Ok, seriously, the FDA is using material research from China? Whatever happened to the US doing it's own research?

    Say, I wonder if the FDA has contracted human cancer trials in Darfur.

    Seriously, human rights anyone?

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  29. A tutorial on the liver, etc. by az-saguaro · · Score: 5, Informative

    See also the comments above by rlseaman - this will address those as well.

    The liver has multiple functions for both biochemical synthesis and detoxification. Unlike most organs and tissues, it has two circulatory inflows. The arterial circulation is the nutritive blood supply, just as the arterial circulation for any tissue. A portal circulation is one in which the venous effluent from a tissue does not return directly to the systemic circulation, but instead detours through another organ first. There are two portal circulations in most chordates - the hypothalamic-pituitary circulation, and the splanchnic portal system. The purpose of the splanchnic portal is to take raw digestate absorbed from the gut, and pass it through a chemical filter (the liver) which will detoxify or eliminate nasty exogenous compounds before they get back into the general circulation (via the hepatic veins). The hepatic artery supplies the liver; the portal vein is the business of the liver. Detoxified products that must be eliminated from the body are excreted into the bile, which is eliminated through the gut. Without a liver at all, death will occur within just a few days, about 3-7.

    Renal failure is also lethal, but in the early 1950's, technologies were developed to keep renal failure patients alive - the dialysis machine. Dialysis is used as a bridge to organ transplantation, but for many people it is their permanent replacement kidney. It is an extraordinarily effective device. It could be "perfected" "back then" because the dialysis machine and the kidney are both relatively simple machines when it comes the elimination / detoxification aspects of its function. It depends simply on diffusion across semi-permeable membranes so that chemical concentrations can be equilibrated. No cells nor other active function is needed.

    Compare this to heart function. We can transplant hearts quite successfully, but unlike the kidney, we cannot keep people alive without their native heart. Attempts in the past 10-20 years to develop mechanical bridge devices have all been technical, medical, and ethical failures, awaiting some future technologies to make the concept truly feasible.

    The liver is in between. With regard to basic medical and ethical issues, an artificial liver should be comparable to the kidney. But technically and scientifically, making an artificial liver has been impossible until recently. Unlike the kidney, emulating liver function cannot be done by simple passive dialysis - the liver has MANY active chemical processes that must be actively metabolized. Attempts to run a patient's blood through a pig liver was the best available technology, and it doesn't work well at all, certainly not long term. What these researchers have done in this article is to mate living human cells to a dialysis device.

    From the company's description of the product, it sounds like a fairly standard dialysis cartridge to start with. The key element, something that was NOT technically possible until the biotech revolution that we are now going through, is to put living cells in the device. I presume that the dialysis membranes are much more "porous" than renal dialysis membranes, allowing bigger molecules to get across, but hepatocytes remain sequestered on their side - there is no chance of "mixing and migration". All modern biotech "living cell" products go through ELABORATE testing and purification to get clean single cell lines. "Immortalized" means they have had their genome switched on so that they can mitose and replicate ad infinitum, without reaching the natural limits of mitosis that many differentiated cell lines have. Bile ducts, portal veins, and all that are not needed, because wastes come in through your normal arterio-venous dialysis shunt, and go out in the dialysis effluent. Because the device is not directly siphoning splanchnic blood, the clearance of potential dietary "toxins" is slower, but any patient with advanced liver disease has to make certain dietary adjustments anyway.

    1. Re:A tutorial on the liver, etc. by Shihar · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what is the great challenge in producing an artificial heart? It would seem to me that sloshing some blood around to a regular rhythm in something blandly neutral to your body would be among the easiest of challenges.

    2. Re:A tutorial on the liver, etc. by Benzido · · Score: 1

      You can get an artificial heart. They even implant it in your body and use a remote battery, so you don't have to be wired up to a machine all day. One dude, Peter Houghton, had the first artificial heart for permanent use. They put it in in 2000, and he lived until 2007. To answer the other part of your question, the great challenge was just to come up with a pump which was long-lasting enough and reliable enough, while able to pump through a sufficient volume of blood.

    3. Re:A tutorial on the liver, etc. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Three big problems. One: It has to be absolutely reliable and able to run for long periods with refuelling/recharging (and also keep running while it's being refuelled/recharged). It stops, and you only have a few minutes to restore blood circulation. Two: it has to handle the blood gently enough so that it doesn't start clotting; this is not a trivial problem and includes much hard research to formulate the surfacing of all the blood vessels and chambers. Three: It all has to be damn small. This combines with number one to make it *really* difficult.

    4. Re:A tutorial on the liver, etc. by az-saguaro · · Score: 1

      In answer to Shihar and Benzido . . .

      An artificial heart is a monumental challenge - not the mechanics of making a pump - a good squirt gun can do the same - but the problems of bio-integration.

      To be technical, Peter Houghton did not have an artificial heart. He had an LVAD, a left ventriculer assist device, an implantable supplement to the patients's own heart. That technology has been successful to a degree, and it represents a step on the ladder leading to a true prosthetic heart, but it just ain't the same.

      The spectrum and art of implantable cardiovascular prosthetics and vasculo-integrated devices includes long term implants and short term bridge devices: valves (prosthetic and cadaveric), vascular grafts (patches and conduits), electro-gizmos (pacers, AICD's), ventricular assist devices (iabps, lvads), and pump-oxygenators. We know how to overcome many limitations, but not all of them in a dependable zero-fault long term bio-integrated package with serious power requirements. The main issues:

      Zero-fault dependability.
      Sustained long term power requirements.
      Solving power by external hookups means that hardware traverses the skin, meaning infection.
      Alloplastic (prosthetic) materials sitting in the blood stream are subject to infection from circulating bacterial transients. Established cardiovascular infections mean sepsis and metastatic infection (means high risk of death).
      The treatment for hardware infections is to remove the device, but unlike other hardware (eg a joint replacement), you cannot just remove a prosthetic heart if that's your only pump.
      Materials and fluid engineering to prevent thrombosis on the device surfaces (blood is programmed to clot on prosthetic materials).
      Materials and mechanical engineering to prevent red cell damage and lysis (they get hammered going through pumps and valves).
      Systems for control and variable power outputs to match physiological demand (devices to date have been pretty much just dumb pumps, and if you look at the problem from a control point of view, transducing relevant feedback and deciding on target references is a complex problem for cardiovascular dynamics).

      "Out of curiosity, what is the great challenge in producing an artificial heart?"
      Materials, bio-integration, infection, power, dependability.
      There, those are the challenges.
      If it was easy, it would have been done already.
      Lots of people are working on it.
      Notable attempts, like Jarvik, have had only limited success.
      A real artificial heart just isn't on the horizon these days, but it is one of those things that we do "understand" to be achievable - it just needs more time, engineering, materials, and power technologies.

  30. Stop-gap by Lorienthin · · Score: 1

    I'd say offhand that this is a relatively impressive stop-gap for those on the transplant list. Thirty extra days could easily save lives, especially of those in advanced liver failure. Should be interesting to see if they can extend the duration. Though, it may be too little to late for some, as TFA states that there is almost a 5:1 ratio of deaths to transplants. Maybe it just doesn't matter if they survive a month more, there might just not be a transplant waiting even then.

  31. funding by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Funny

    Surprisingly, it was revealed that funding for liver replacement research was provided entirely by the liquor industry.

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  32. Now the guy at Mickey Mantle's press conference by vandelais · · Score: 2, Funny

    who asked the transplant surgeon if the donor was still alive, to which the surgeon replied

    "You're a sportswriter, aren't you?"

    won't feel like such a roob anymore.

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  33. "Immortalized"? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    ..containing immortalized human liver cells..

    I, for one, welcome our new zombified-liver-cell overlords!

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  34. Important advancement by The+Tomer · · Score: 1

    Just one question:
    How long will it be before I can take out my liver and replace it with an alcohol resistent one?

  35. 2009... by Bootarn · · Score: 1

    ...the year of the cyborgs!

  36. Why this could be a big deal. by ilo.v · · Score: 1

    There are two major reasons why a "liver dialysis" machine would be a major advance, even if you can only get it working for 30 days:

    1) The liver regenerates. Unlike heart, brain, kidney, etc., if you whack out half the liver (to donate to someone else for example) it will eventually grow back. A lot of the tragic cases of liver failure are from a temporary insult (tylenol overdose, poisoning, etc.) If you can just keep them alive long enough, it will grow back. Currently these patients are treated with a liver transplant. This means they are doomed to a lifetime of immunosupression and complications just because they needed a liver for a month after the tylenol overdose

    2) Some countries (Japan for example) do not recognize the concept of brain death, only "cardiac death." This means that liver transplants are impossible, because if you unplug the life support and wait for the heart to fully stop beating, the liver is usually too damaged to be useful. These countries desperately need "liver dialysis" because there is no alternative treatment.

  37. Wohooo! by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    Liver modding and overclocking! YEAH!

  38. A question on multi-time transplants. by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    >As a two time kidney transplant recipient myself, I know how hard it is to
    >live with organ failure. I met a guy who had gone through 3 liver transplants

    A serious question:

    With donation organs being the rarity that I've heard they are, and so many people I've heard are on waiting lists to get them, how does one successfully make the cut for 2 or even 3 organs?

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    1. Re:A question on multi-time transplants. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I heard that some people have rare tissue types that are hard to match. By implication that means others are easier to find a match for?

      Then again, statistically there'd be more people with those types waiting for transplants, so it'd cancel out.

      Perhaps the GP could enlighten us? Or someone in the business explain how they choose who gets the bits?

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  39. Bag-o-Liver by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    The Scots have had this forever - Haggis is a bag of liver (and lungs, and hearts, and oats and onions).

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  40. Re:I'm confused by your post by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

    How is that different from any other Wednesday?

    Very different.

    Today's Thursday. ;)

  41. Sweet! by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Without them you'd be a continuously expanding ball of flesh...

    Isn't that the American Dream?

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  42. Am I the only one who initially read that as... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

    " A small trial in China showed a statistically and clinically significant difference in 30 day survival with LEAD."

  43. FDA testing this? That can only mean... by cylcyl · · Score: 1

    It's people!!!!!

  44. $30K? by BigBuckHunter · · Score: 1

    Doctors also will ask if any benefit is big enough to cover what could be a $30,000 price tag.

    Is this per use or per machine? Can a single machine be refitted and used multiple times ( like a dialysis machine)?

    BBH

  45. wrong cit by eleuthero · · Score: 1

    Try Clinton's - Bush was just maintaining the status quo and it isn't like we haven't had more success with the use of adult stem cells than embryonic ones anyway.

    1. Re:wrong cit by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2

      Human stem cells weren't even discovered until 1998, and in response President Clinton's administration recommended to allow funding for some embryo experimentation. It wasn't until 2001 that the ethics process concluded and the ruling was issued. That was the ruling that GW Bush acted on, way back in 2001.

      And then GW Bush sat there. Science advanced, and he did nothing to advance policy along with the science.

      Don't make apologies for Bush. He cannot be defended.

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  46. Immortality versus cancer. by One_Minute_Too_Late · · Score: 1

    Some cells have genetic switches and gizmos that allow them to replicate almost indefinitely under appropriate hormonal and biochemical stimuli. Germ cells (sperm, eggs) and stem cells (like the hematopoietic stem cells) have this function. The important point, which the poster above alluded to, is that the process of cell division is tightly controlled. It starts and stops when demanded. Any deviation from protocol should cause immediate destruction via apoptosis.

    In contrast, neoplastic cells (one subset of which includes cancer cells) do not respond to the normal start/stop signals of cell division and they escape quality control mechanisms (apoptotic signals).

    Regarding graft-versus-host disease, that is more of an issue with hematopoietic (bone marrow) transplantation. The host's immune system could be an issue for a foreign graft, but this sounds more like a dialysis machine to replace the liver's function. (I have not yet read the source material.) With the prevalence of hepatitis B in the Asian population, and the desire of some countries there to show some muscle in the scientific arms race, I am not entirely surprised that some trials were conducted there.

  47. The rise of Gene-Co starts here. by raiofsunshine · · Score: 1

    You know you want it, baby - Gene-Co's got it!

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  48. Immortal liver cells? Delicious. by Morky · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking, pate that never goes bad.