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Norwegian Broadcasting Sets Up Its Own Tracker
eirikso writes with an interesting story from Norway; the state broadcaster there has decided to put up some of its content on BitTorrent. "The tracker is based on the same OpenTracker software that the Pirate Bay has been using for the last couple of years. By using BitTorrent we can reach our audience with full quality, unencrypted media files. Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."
Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.
Did I wake up in a wrong universe or something? People are actually thinking now?
Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it.
... think I'm going to faint.
english subtitles?
Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
of common sense:
"We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files and if people want to fansub any of the episodes we're more than happy to let you do that. Please let us know in the comments and we'll link to your translations."
Three cheers for the Norvegians !!!
Will this mean war? Norway vs the EU! nay! against the whole world!
With any luck, bigger media players will watch what happens here and learn from it. Maybe somebody will even go the next step and figure out how to profit off of this distribution scheme.
Finally, after all the fuss with the swedish FRA law monitoring the traffic from Norway the norweigans finally got pissed and decided to fight back. I think I'll move to Norway, it seems to be a nice country.
Is it available for outsiders as well? Could we get a link?
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"Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."
Translated: More people will pay for what they can get for free than will pay for for less than they can get for free.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Can I get a translation of the translation?
They are using MP4 with H.264 video and AAC audio.
Hope that the BBC follows suite, it's the next logical step after iPlayer right?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv
It's nice to see more and more groups jumping on the bandwagon of digital distribution!
The musings of just another geek and his junk.
Clearly TPB should sue them, how the hell are they supposed to compete against a service that release their own content for free and in high quality, and that doesnt even have any advertising on their site?
Which is an excellent codec for maximum compression vs quality. I like xvid like anything other guy, but when it comes to quality/size mp4 with h.264 is great.
Now that i'm throttled ( comcast user here ), what is in it for me to share my bandwidth for their benefit?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
"Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it."
NFW!
To go slightly off-topic, I've had a lot more trouble with files distributed in the matroska format than I have with MPEG-4. For some reason there seem to be a lot more half-broken mkv files out there (as in, they'll sort of play but not quite right), even though I doubt this has anything to do with the container format itself it has kind of turned me off of mkv (not to mention that I have more hardware and software capable of playing mp4 than I have capable of playing mkv). Kind of reminds me of when 7zip showed up and a bunch of people started refusing to use any other format for compressing files, which just pissed everyone else off and then interest for the format declined.
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
There are community codec packs(even one called that) that allow any windows machine to play pretty much any video format without issue. i've used them with great success with a collection of video files that spans back to the napster days, not to mention all the way forwards to todays 1080p stylesubbed Anime encodes.
FAIL.
mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv
OK, and when will you start bitching about the CODEC used? (Hint: look up the words container and codec.)
You don't like the container, just remux. There's another word for you to learn.
mp4 is actually a very old standard (hardly used these days for torrents), try mkv
Why wouldn't you use the MPEG-4 container for MPEG-4 video (AVC) with MPEG-4 audio (AAC)? Matroska is great for more exotic stuff like FLAC audio tracks, but in this case not really needed.
What contents are interesting? I didn't see anything but then can't read this foreign language. ;)
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Population: CRAB
No. of Lions = 0
No. of Tigers = 0
Main Export: TREE
( Lion > Tree = KENYA WINS )
MORE LIKE SNOREWAY
We must petition Washington immediately to reroute our troops coming home from Iraq and send them to occupy Norway. This is obviously a ploy to destroy our internet access, therefore putting our economy in even more peril. Dozens of cable companies have already shown us the evidence that P2P networks will destroy the internet. Obviously the Pirate Bay trial didn't come soon enough, Norway's public broadcasting has now become infected by these insidious thieves trying to cripple the broadcasting industry and the internet in one go!
As a PC OEM installer, we put CCCP on all new PCs we sell, means less calls from people not able to play XYZ media format and biching about it :)
As for the other post in regards to only being windows format, CONFORM OR DIE LINUX/BSD/MAC WHORE!
Ahh, now thats some good flamebait.
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Interestingly enough, those are the same codecs used by YouTube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtube#Format_and_quality_comparison_table
Most human behaviour can be explained in terms of identity.
http://start.csail.mit.edu/
A moose once bit my sister...
Consultancy: If you're not part of the solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem
mkv isn't a codec. H.264 is most commonly associated with "mp4" videos and most mkv use H.264 as well.
Countdown to the first frivolous lawsuit from some dumb American entity claiming to own the content in 3... 2... 1...
"Once they have flattened the country..."
Haz lotz lotz lotz mountains, do not want Danish geography (pankake flat --but Denmark twice as yummy) plzthxbye =^._.^=
(And we keepz torrentz n-jaaa~~~!)
yeah it should be FLAC & OGG
Norway
Population: MOUNTAIN MONKEYS
No. of Lions = MANY
No. of Tigers = A FEW
MAIN EXPORT: OIL
( Muskoxen > Lion = NORWAY WINS )
MORE LIKE SNORREWAY
http://www.cccp-project.net/
Norvegia.
mkv is supported only on PCs, while mp4 is usually supported on mobile phones as well. If they used xvid/divx instead of h264, the result would be supported on majority of divx DVD players.
From the article:
We are providing full quality video files with no DRM. The biggest problem regarding this project is to clear all the rights we need to be able to distribute content in such an open system. NRK is a big content producer, but record labels, actors, external production companies and format rights owners usually have contracts that prevent us from distributing our content freely in the internet.
I may be overly optimistic, but we can at least hope this will eventually drive publicly funded and independent media away from global content conglomerates and towards a future where open licenses like Creative Commons and independent artists have a greater role.
.: Max Romantschuk
Great, now I just need to throw out FreeBSD, MacOS X and Linux and replace them with Windows...
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Coming from an AC I'm inclined to believe you're just a random troll, especially since my experience is hardly unique, and screaming "anecdote!" at the top of your lungs doesn't mean that my cellphone and other non-PC hardware magically gains the ability to play mkv files, not to mention that for some reason a lot of mkv files seem to be of rather questionable quality, although obviously this is not something that you can find peer-reviewed research about...
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Norsk Rikskringkasting (NRK) is financed through a "license" which they can by law charge everyone who owns a televison set or other equipment which is able to get TV broadcasts. c They have been trying to claim a whole range of ludicrous things in order to demand license fees from more people than those who are listed as TV owners in their database for years.
NRK actually tried to claim that everyone who owns a telephone also has a television and asked for permission to demand that everyone registered with a telephone pays the TV license. They were, luckily, denied when they tried that one. Now they are trying to claim that everyone who owns a computer can view their content and should pay a television license.
NRK setting up a BitTorrent tracker does look like a good thing - at first glance. But do not get fooled: This is all about getting a new Norwegian law which would say that everyone who owns computer technology must pay NRK a yearly fee. It is that simple. This is all about the money. That they use BitTorrent is in itself a good thing. Their motives are absolutely not.
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pining for the fjords.
If you go read the article (I-must-be-new-here), you'll note that it says
"By Ãyvind Solstad â March 26, 2008".
(in slashcode still doesn't handle unicode, it's "(Oslash)-yvind" and "solstad (groupoperation) March").
The news are almost a year old. That taken into account, I hope it's a dupe ;)
But in any case, it's good news, so keep on celebrating.
That's just stupid, and I suspect that you know it.
VLC works on all those platforms, and plays these files fine.
It is quite interesting that the only two places on the Earth with significant amounts of fjords are located in Norway and New Zealand, two countries which are located more or less on opposite sides of the globe.
The New Zealand fjords are more remote, i.e. nobody actually lives there, and there is no infrastructure for a visitor, while the west coast of Norway has been inhabited since the last ice age, and the fjord system is significantly larger.
Terje
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
also, if it is the right size it is easier to get it onto an ipod with this format.
Balderdash!
Well if thats the case then this deal sucks for those Norwegian citizens. But I am more interested in the possible effect this move will have on other broadcasting and content creators around the world. Large companies usually don't take risks easily but will follow suit when a working model is made visible through a smaller group or company.
Balderdash!
Hopefully they will use this for good instead of using it to promote the LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka that has caused so much misery to every one http://vosl.blogspot.com/
Not only their own productions. I regularly watch the spanish drama Los Serrano there: http://areena.yle.fi/hae?pid=810385
Could someone outside Finland try that? I must admit I'll be surprised if it isn't geographically restricted, although I guess it's possible they've gotten permission for that from the Spanish producers.
Just use VLC, duh.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
That article was posted March 26, 2008. This is quite old news.
As I mentioned in other posts, it's not just PC hardware, and for some reason a lot of matroska files seem to be of "sketchy" quality, probably because some warez kiddie was too rushed to get it out the door to bother making sure it wasn't half-broken. The latter is hardly something that is the fault of the container format but it's a good reason to prefer mp4 files.
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
And pray they keep supporting the latest formats, and that you don't need to use a particular external codec (like CoreAVC for h.264)...
But yeah, we load VLC as well, just in case :)
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Interesting point, but luckily, NRK does not decide the rules.
Now that the migration to DVB-T is almost complete and the analogue broadcast stops December 1st, people who do not have a DVB-T decoder and no other way of watching TV don't have to pay.
Before the transition, around 1/3 of the population were watching the analogue broadcasts, the rest used cable or satellite. So if you're still watching analogue broadcasts (or nothing at all if it has already been closed were you live) and have no intention of getting a decoder, you'll soon be in the clear.