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The 100 Degree Data Center

miller60 writes "Are you ready for the 100-degree data center? Rackable Systems has introduced a new enclosure that it says can run high-density racks safely in environments as hot as 104 degrees (40 degrees C), offering customers the option of saving energy in their data center. Most data centers operate in a range between 68 and 74 degrees. Raising the thermostat can lower the power bill, allowing data centers to use less power for cooling. But higher temperatures can be less forgiving in the event of a cooling failure, and not likely to be welcomed by employees working in the data center."

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  1. Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its better

    1. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Agreed. Stupid sumary.

      I had this image of shimmering heat, rising steam, and burning barrels inside a post apocalyptic data center.

      It wasn't until line 2 that my image was ruined.

    2. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You care about the metric system, but can't even be bothered to spell correctly.

    3. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, this is an American site, so use something that most Americans can intuitively relate to. I have no problem working with most metric measurements (indeed, I did so for a number of years working in machining) but temperature just doesn't compute for me unless I do the calculations in my head.

      Fahrenheit just makes more sense to most of us. 30s = cold, 40s = chilly, 50s = cool, 60s = decent/might need a windbreaker, 70s = nice, 80s = warm, 90s = hot, etc, etc. Celsius is no where near that intuitive and was as arbitrarily defined as Fahrenheit was.

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    4. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by psergiu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fahrenheit is stupid.
      Celsius on the other hand is much easier to remember:
      0 - Water freezes
      10 - Cool
      20 - Nice
      30 - Hot
      40 - Scorching hot
      50 - Burn sensation
      100 - Water boils

      And slashdot.org is not an american-only site as it's domain name ends in .org and not in .us

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    5. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fahrenheit just makes more sense to most of us. 30s = cold, 40s = chilly, 50s = cool, 60s = decent/might need a windbreaker, 70s = nice, 80s = warm, 90s = hot, etc, etc. Celsius is no where near that intuitive and was as arbitrarily defined as Fahrenheit was.

      Its not intuitive, its just what you're used to

    6. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      this is an American site

      And merka is a christian nation dagnubbit. Ya'll should be usin de proper bible units of cubits and hogs heads.

    7. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      You care about the metric system, but can't even be bothered to punctuate correctly.

      Fixed that for you.

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    8. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fahrenheit just makes more sense to most of us. 30s = cold, 40s = chilly, 50s = cool, 60s = decent/might need a windbreaker, 70s = nice, 80s = warm, 90s = hot, etc, etc. Celsius is no where near that intuitive and was as arbitrarily defined as Fahrenheit was.

      Celsius, however, does not rely solely on memorization to "make sense". It's based on certain scientific principals that remain as yet unwavering. 0C is the freezing point of water, 100C is the boiling point of water. It's quite simple to deduce the relative levels of comfort in between; when you know that it's 0C outside the precipitation that's falling isn't going to be rain but instead the frozen variety. When it's 40C outside you know it's pretty damn warm, and when it pushes the 50s and 60s you start to get to holding temperature of food. Anybody who's ever made skin-on contact with a warming oven knows that this is neither pleasant nor comfortable for humans.

      Had America been using a system of letters for the past two and a half centuries that would also "make sense" to you because you would have memorized the notion that C = cold, D = chilly, E = cool, F = decent/might need a windbreaker, G = nice, H = warm, I = hot, etc, etc.

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    9. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fahrenheit is stupid.

      Wow, how insightful and deep. You have to think real hard to come up with such compelling commentary?

      Celsius on the other hand is much easier to remember:
      0 - Water freezes
      10 - Cool
      20 - Nice
      30 - Hot
      40 - Scorching hot
      50 - Burn sensation
      100 - Water boils

      Surely you mean water freezes and boils at one standard atmosphere, right? Which brings me back to my point about it being just as arbitrarily defined as Fahrenheit was. Fahrenheit also offers more precision without using decimals.

      And slashdot.org is not an american-only site as it's domain name ends in .org and not in .us

      Domain names don't mean jack. Slashdot is American owned with a largely American readership. Yet someone still managed to whine about the fucking summary using American measurements, in spite the fact that the metric measurements were also provided. Hmm.......

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    10. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Owlyn · · Score: 5, Funny

      "My belief, as an American, is that if I have to start understanding the metric system, then the terrorists have won." -- Dave Barry

    11. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Mr2cents · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When is this Fahrenheit unit going to die? Last time I checked, only a couple of developing countries were using it (Birma, USA).

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    12. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Quothz · · Score: 5, Funny

      You care about the metric system, but can't even be bothered to punctuate correctly. Fixed that for you.

      You care about punctuation but can't even be bothered to punctuate correctly.

      You've helped maintain the old Internet tradition: All grammar flames contain at least one grammatical error. You should never separate a compound predicate from its subject with a comma.

    13. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The zero of Fahrenheit -- the freezing point of saturated brine -- is no less sensible than the Celcius zero of the freezing point of water. Fahrenheit is also more precise with fewer digits in the ranges most people deal with day to day.

      Yeah, because I'm always having to deal with saturated brine. I can't tell you how many times I've gone out driving in sub-zero temperatures and nearly skidded on all that saturated brine ice.

      Fahrenheit is also more precise with fewer digits in the ranges most people deal with day to day

      What? Nobody needs to be more accurate than 1C for day-to-day casual usage. For anything else there's this neat thing called a fraction that people can use.

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    14. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, using brine to define the scale is just as sensible as using water. Why, just the other day I walked past a brine lake and it was frozen. "Wow," I thought, "exactly 0F!" And then when I was at home boiling some brine, which I do every day, I was like "Wow! My brine is boiling! That must means it has reached exactly 100F!" (*)

      The Fahrenheit scale is awesome.

      (*) What do you mean it doesn't work that way?

    15. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by scorp1us · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only at standard temperature and pressure...

      Besides, at Zero, shouldn't there be NO thermal energy? You standard of +273K = 0C seems pretty arbitrary to me!

      Real geeks use Kelvin.

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    16. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Celsius is no where near that intuitive and was as arbitrarily defined as Fahrenheit was.

      ~0 degrees Celcius = Melting point of ice; 100 degrees Celcius = Boiling point of water (all at standard atmospheric pressure)

      0 degrees Fahrenheit = Stabilized temperature of a mixture of ice, water, and ammonium chloride; 32 degrees Fahrenheit = Melting point of ice; ~ 96 degrees Fahrenheit = Body temperature.

      Celcius seems pretty intuitive to me, though originally it was reversed (100 degrees was the freezing point and 0 was the boiling point). Fahrenheit doesn't make sense at all.

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    17. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by trold · · Score: 5, Funny

      What kind of backup do you need?
        0 K = DAMN COLD!
      10 K = DAMN COLD!
      20 K = DAMN COLD!
      30 K = DAMN COLD!
      40 K = DAMN COLD!
      50 K = DAMN COLD! ...
      200K = Pee freezes before hitting the ground
      400K = Pee evaporates before hitting the ground

      "Twice as hot" only makes sense in a scientific context. It is akin to saying that one computer is twice as blue as another.

    18. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Neither Celsius nor Fahrenheit are intuitive to me.

      373.15 - Water boils at 1 atmosphere
      310 - Very hot
      300 - Hot
      290 - Nice
      280 - Chilly
      273.15 - Water freezes at 1 atmosphere
      0 - absolute zero! how easy is that.

      Kelvin ftw chumps!

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    19. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I like Farenheit. It maps very well to the range of habitable temperatures that a human is likely to experience. I realize Freezing Water isn't in the best place, sure, and will willingly concede it would be better if it were tweaked down to something rounder (30 or so, perhaps) but aside from that: 100 is (about) as hot as it gets normally, 0 is about as cold as it gets normally, and anything outside that range is sure to be obnoxious and waxing uninhabitable.

      I don't care about how hot it needs to be to boil water, or how many gram-degrees-Celcius are in your calorie, or anything like that. And furthermore, if you're going to be Mr. Science, why not just break out the Kelvin and be done with it?

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    20. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by rbunker · · Score: 2, Informative

      The zero of Fahrenheit -- the freezing point of saturated brine -- is no less sensible than the Celcius zero of the freezing point of water. Fahrenheit is also more precise with fewer digits in the ranges most people deal with day to day.

      Yeah, because I'm always having to deal with saturated brine. I can't tell you how many times I've gone out driving in sub-zero temperatures and nearly skidded on all that saturated brine ice.

      It was developed in a port city where knowing if the harbor was frozen over (or not) was in fact of great importance.

    21. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Fross · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I completely fail to see how a range of 40-80 (after all, you did say "habitable temperatures" for humans), is better than a range of 5-30.

      Farenheight has no basis in anything practical at *any* range. At least Celsius is based around water, which is useful for a number of reasons.

    22. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by snowraver1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like Celcius. It maps very well to the range of habitable temperatures that a human is likely to experience. I realize Freezing Water is in the best place. 30 is (about) as hot as it gets normally, -30 is about as cold as it gets normally, and anything outside that range is sure to be obnoxious and waxing uninhabitable. I care about how hot it needs to be to boil water (even if that changes depending on altitude), or how many gram-degrees-Celcius are in your calorie(What? Are you talking about specific heat capacity here??), or anything like that.

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    23. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Ioldanach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is 20 Celsius twice as hot as 10 Celsius? No. Twenty Kelvin, though, is twice as hot as ten.

      This is just flat out false. The scale was purposefully defined so that a 1 degree change in Kelvin is the same magnitude as 1 degree change in Celcius. That is why there is still a 100 degree difference between the freezing point of water (273K) and it's boiling point (373K). All in all, this is some mega fail.

      A mass at 20K has twice as much thermal energy as 10K. A mass at 20C has about 3.5% more thermal energy as 10C. Therefore, 20K is twice as hot as 10K, 20C is not twice as hot as 10C, if you define 'hot' as the thermal energy embodied in the mass.

    24. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by jcwayne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sew their!

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    25. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by MiniMike · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it would be +10 deciTrolls.

    26. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obligatory XKCD :
      "The key to converting to metric is establishing new reference points"
      http://xkcd.com/526/
      "-40C : spit goes 'clink'"

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    27. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Tikkun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clicking the Start Button to shutdown is what you're used to. Clicking the Shutdown button is intuitive.

    28. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you roast meat, you may use a meat thermometer so you won't get food poisoning.

      Yeah, and it has little F's on the side. I take my meat out when I have 165 of them.

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    29. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Funny

      OK, but at -40F, spit goes "clink" too. Now I'm really confused!

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    30. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by johndierks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Farenheight has no basis in anything practical at *any* range. At least Celsius is based around water, which is useful for a number of reasons.

      That's not quite true, 0*F to 100*F is pretty much the range humans can survive in without any kind of crazy technology. Makes sense to me.

    31. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by iotaborg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well to be fair, 0 F was supposed to be the freezing temperature of water when fully saturated with salt (I believe), though it turned out to be less than 0 F later. 100 F was supposed to be body temperature, which of course isn't quite right.

      I like Farenheit because of the finer divisions per integer and the 0-100 intuition, but moreso because I grew up with it. Oh well.

      Lets switch to metric time while we're at it, what's this 24/60 crap?

    32. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I completely fail to see how a range of 40-80 (after all, you did say "habitable temperatures" for humans), is better than a range of 5-30.

      Simple. Fahrenheit is useful using two digits. A unit of Celsius is too coarse, and to be practical you have to resort to decimal figures.

      I'm mostly with people who like metric, but there's no doubt that F is superior to C for human use.

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    33. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely fail to see how a range of 40-80 (after all, you did say "habitable temperatures" for humans), is better than a range of 5-30.

      Humans can survive in climates colder than 40F.

      On the other hand, it is completely arbitrary to use Fahrenheit over Celsius. And vice versa. It does not matter one whit that ice melts at 0C or 32F in your daily life. If you actually needed a "logical" and consistent unit for temperature, you would be using the Kelvin scale.

      What is so logical about the meter being defined as the length of a certain platinum bar? Nothing, it is just as arbitrary.

      The SI system has one major advantage over the US Customary system. Unit conversions, in terms of scalar multiples, are far easier. And that advantage is not relevant to temperature units, in our daily lives. Something is seriously wrong in the world if you're worrying about mega-Celsius or mega-Fahrenheit temperatures outside of theoretical physics (where you would be using Kelvin anyway)

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    34. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When is this Fahrenheit unit going to die?

      Not until people develop the intuition to evaluate temperature relative to a volume of water, rather than to their own bodies.

      Which is a more logical numeric range for representing a perceived continuum from "cold" to "hot": 0 to 100 , or -18 to 38?

    35. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We almost had a metric time: "Internet Time", from Swatch. If they had bothered to place it on the GMT meridian like the rest of the world's time, people would have taken it seriously, instead of just as a marketing gimmick.

      "look, the meridian goes right through our headquarters!". Yeah-huh.

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    36. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by SoupGuru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Otherwise known as Muphry's Law.

      "Muphry's Law is an adage that states that 'if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written'."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

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    37. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by qc_dk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ahh yes, the sea, filled with saturated brine.
      Sea water is ~26% salt. Which is why it is impossible to put any more salt in there, it'll just gently float to the bottom.

      What's that?? It's only actually ~50 ppt salt? And saturated brine freezes at around -7F/-23C? And harbour sea water normaly freezes at around -2C?

      Poppycock.

    38. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by mdf356 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't even know how many ml there are in a tablespoon.

      5ml per teaspoon, or close enough. So 15ml in 1 TBSP.

      Once you start doling out liquid medicine for kids, this one's easy. :-)

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    39. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by Jason+Earl · · Score: 3, Funny

      My wife can tell the difference. At 71F it is "freezing" and at 73F it is "boiling."

      I wish I was lying.

    40. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, yeah, except for that 98.6 thing.

      You're referring to the common misconception that that's the normal body temperature, or even that body temperatures are so regular that you'd need a decimal point to express it? (The figure 98.6F is an example of false precision, being a translation of 37C, which wasn't meant to be more accurate than a degree celsius to begin with, and was a rough figure at that.)

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    41. Re:Were nerds here... use the f'ing metric system by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're like the 5th person I've seen make this point.

      If you stuck a thermometer in your mouth and it said 100 degrees, the technical term for that is "fever". If it was a mere 5 degrees higher, it would be a very serious fever.

      Given clothing and such, most offices are kept below 80 degrees all the time, to maintain a comfortable working environment. This temperature gradient allows for an effective transition of heat, and keeps most people from breaking a sweat.

      To keep your body at a nice 37C it needs to be able to dissipate heat, something it will not be able to do efficiently in a 100 degree room. You will sweat like a pig. God forbid you've got a server open when you're sweating: your whole body becomes a conductor, every drop of sweat would have the potential to cause damage to sensitive equipment. You will tire much faster, with predictable effects on concentration and coordination.

      In short, I can't imagine a less hospitable atmosphere for working on computer equipment than a room with a temperature of 100F degrees or higher.

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  2. Drives by maz2331 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd be mostly concerned about the lifespan of hard drives at these temperatures. The electronics can be easily made to tolerate heat, but drives are a weak link. The bearings and lubricants are especially vulnerable.

    1. Re:Drives by Alphager · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the google hard-drive whitepaper (~2004? 2005?) said that hard-drives running in an environment around 38C were less prone to failures than cool hard-drives.

    2. Re:Drives by rackserverdeals · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's really not so bad. Most drives are rated to about 55deg C (131F), 104F is only 40C.

      The key is to design the server with sufficient airflow to try and keep the temperature of the components close to the room's temperature.

      Looking at the Datasheet, it looks like they are running the servers on DC power. That way, each server doesn't have it's own power supply, they just hook up to a separate power unit elsewhere in the rack.

      The servers don't seem to have fans either. The fans are in the cabinet door.

      This setup reminds me of the description of Google's search cluster racks I saw somewhere.

      This could result in huge savings. I remember some Sun data center guy talking about one of their new data centers and how they were able to run it at 74F. He said each deg F the could keep the temperature up resulted in 4% power savings.

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    3. Re:Drives by MilesAttacca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's the whitepaper (HTML-converted).

      I'm not able to open the PDF right now to see the pretty graphs, but it says "The figure shows that failures do not increase when the average temperature increases. In fact, there is a clear trend showing that lower temperatures are associated with higher failure rates. Only at very high temperatures is there a slight reversal of this trend." However, it also notes that "What stands out are the 3 and 4-year old drives, where the trend for higher failures with higher temperature is much more constant and also more pronounced."

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  3. Not just no, but hell no by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize it's the trendy thing these days to target the data center as an area of concern monetarily, but this is a little ridiculous.

    All it will take is one poor geek spending a 12 hour day in the data center for this to be deemed a horrible idea. (Like that never happens)

    Seriously, this is retarded. If you do your cooling and power CORRECTLY, you won't have a ridiculous bill and your data center will be at a more reasonable temperature.

    I hate really hot weather...you can always put on more clothes, but you reach a limit on what you can take off.

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    1. Re:Not just no, but hell no by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oops, sorry, you're 0-2.

      I do gotta say, I LOVE spring time in Dallas. :D

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  4. New Dress Code. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...But higher temperatures can be less forgiving in the event of a cooling failure, and not likely to be welcomed by employees working in the data center."

    Not welcome? That all depends, on if I can relocate my Data Center to a topless beach in Miami. Sure beats the current scenery, and the dress code would likely change.

    Of course, the fact that you probably don't want to see your average IT person running around topless wearing a thong is another matter entirely...

  5. Use that waste heat! by turgid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buildings provide hot water for washing hands etc. Cold water comes in from outside and is heated using electricity or gas to make hot water which costs money and energy.

    Pipe the cold water (which is usually somewhere between 0 and 20 degrees C) through heat exchangers in the hot data centre before heating it up to working temperature with gas or electricity.

    That way, you reduce the data centre's temperature to more like 20-25C, and you heat the water up by 10C (say) saving on gas or electricity bills since there is less of a temperature difference to get it up to the required temperature.

    I eagerly await my Nobel Prize for Common Sense.

    1. Re:Use that waste heat! by turgid · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would work great until the moisture buildup from the water kills all the electronic equipment in the room. ;)

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  6. you ask the wrong question by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The proper question is "Are our coworkers ready to deal with how we'll smell like after spending time in that server room?" It'll smell like a monkey house, but probably with less feces. Unless we're working with that superstar bastard programmer a few articles back who poo'd in the lobby.

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  7. Re:Brrr... by 0racle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We upped the temperature in our small data center to 75~80. Those systems in there run just fine at around (and a little higher then) room temperature. I didn't really see any need to keep it running like a refrigerator for no reason. The AC runs less, there must have been some money saved, but it is more comfortable in there the few times I have to do something there.

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  8. I for one... by JFlex · · Score: 5, Funny

    welcome our new sweaty sysadmins.

    1. Re:I for one... by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sweatier sysadmins.

  9. 80 degrees by tthomas48 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have an 80 degree data center. It's not particularly pleasant to be in (as you get buffeted by hotter winds coming off of power supplies), but we haven't seen any more failures than normal.

  10. oil immersion by tritonman · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about completely immersing the entire data center in oil? You may need some sort of SCUBA gear to to server maintenance though.

  11. Re:High temp failures by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Data center is hot, racks are cool. Hot contents of racks make data center hot. Computer not like 100 degree heat, computer fail

  12. Re:heat exchangers in the data centre by thpr · · Score: 2, Informative
  13. Really bad idea by John+Sokol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes there saving money on cooling cost, or at least they seem to believe that and I am sure when they fail to take everything into account this is true.

    The reality it the server room still has to pull that heat out. Increased Delta T is just lost energy.

    Here is really why it's a terrible idea.

    1.) Component failures. Of all parts from bearing in the drives, and fans to the silicon itself has a much higher failure rate.

    2.) The components use more power at higher temperatures! This is from increased leakage currents in the silicon.

    Below is a graph from Research My Startup company did!
    http://www.silentcomputing.com/tech/market2.gif

    They really need to used ducted air or any other technology to reduce the Delta T! By this I mean bring the cooling as close to the components as possible.
    Right now server rooms need to run internally at 10C to 15C to keep the CPU chips below 60C.
    If they just brought the cooling directly to the cpu's and let that cool spread from there they could use out door passive radiators! 0 air conditioning cost and the most power savings.

    This is what my start was doing till someone tried to steal the who damb thing and sunk the company.

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  14. Re:Northern data centers by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 2, Informative

    That might work for 6 months of the year, but we get these things called summers... We can hit 100 degrees or more here in Washington State. Even Alaska gets warm in the summer (Fairbanks record high of 99F).

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  15. Centigrade sucks! by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Funny

    373.15 - Water boils at 1 atmosphere 310 - Very hot 300 - Hot 290 - Nice 280 - Chilly 273.15 - Water freezes at 1 atmosphere 0 - absolute zero! how easy is that.

    'xactly. These trolls try to go anti-US with their fancy metric system then they fuck it up with Centigrade. Try plugging centigrade temperatures into the ideal gas law and lemme know how it goes. ;)

    1. Re:Centigrade sucks! by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Try plugging centigrade temperatures into the ideal gas law and lemme know how it goes. ;)

      Actually, the fun part is that there's a long history of people doing exactly that. The patent offices in the US and other countries have an ongoing problem of people attempting to patent perpetual-motion machines. In most cases, a "proof" that a particular gadget will work is produced by taking the standard equations and using Celsius/Centigrade numbers when temperature in "degrees" is needed. This seems to be something that a lot of physics cranks can't quite get right. They read that the Kelvin degree is the same as the Celsius degree, and that means that it doesn't matter which you use, right?

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  16. the larger degrees are nicer by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A single degree Celsius is qualitatively a bit too big, to the point where most European climate-control systems with digital displays have to resort to using half-degrees as the base control unit.

    1. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by frieko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so?

    2. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, us fahrenheit-feet thinking people find it inconvenient to think in terms of decimal points. Measuring 7.9 cm is no easier than measuring 3 1/8th inches. I care about the difference between 72 and 73 degrees Fahrenheit. It's more of a pain to deal with the difference between 22.0 and 22.5 degrees Celsius.

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    3. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by frieko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an American, and I disagree completely.

      On my metric wrench set, the 8 is one next to the 7. On my American wrench set, the 5/32 is next to the.. I have no idea, I would have to go look. It's even worse if I have to add 3/32" to 5 7/8".

      If you really need fractions, then 7.9 cm is 7 9/10 cm and 22.5 C is 22 1/2 C.

    4. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's because for wrench/socket sets, the situation is just the opposite. Metric's unit (mm) is "just right" and doesn't need fractions or decimals, imperial's unit (inch) is way too big and nearly everything is less than one unit.

      It goes the other way for Celsius vs Fahrenheit. Celsius units are "too big" and require dealing with fractional units, while most Fahrenheit-based systems can use single-full-unit increments.

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    5. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly right. Mod this guy up.

      When you're working on your car, you don't have situations where you need an 8.5mm socket wrench. All the fasteners on a metric car are in integer mm numbers: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 17, 19 are the most popular. If you try 14 and it's a little too big, then you know that 12mm is the correct size. It's easier than inches because the inch is simply too large, and every bolt size is a fraction of an inch.

      Celcius is too large. To a typical human, there's a noticeable difference between 72 and 73 degrees when setting your thermostat, or being outside. Dealing with 1/2 degrees on the Celcius scale is clumsy.

      Fahrenheit is a good scale when talking about the weather or setting your thermostat. For scientific work, Kelvin is certain best since it's an absolute scale, starting at absolute zero, and is part of many other SI units. Celcius really isn't very useful in real life.

    6. Re:the larger degrees are nicer by rahvin112 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The US will never fully implement the metric system. And I mean NEVER (see my caveat below). It's an impediment to foreign companies supplying or working in our craft sector. Ever wonder why you don't see any European or Chinese sawn lumber or Chinese or European steel beams for purchase? Because they don't have factories that generate Imperial sizes. All the foreign factories are geared to the metric system. The only areas where I've seen a shift to metric was the car industry where foreign imports caused US manufacturers to start using metric parts and the plastic drink container industry where uniform packaging became a problem and they simply implemented metric sizes to negate the need for American specific sizing.

      It's a perfectly legal impediment to open trade, much like many of the European ones that the US doesn't use. It keeps jobs and production in the US and (*)until the day the US stops importing more than we export it WON'T change. The government implemented a Metric requirement on Roadway design during the Carter administration. That requirement was completely waved at the end of the Clinton Administration because of the impact it would have had to the craft supply industries where they would have to compete against imported products subsidized by foreign governments.

      The imperial measurement system keeps jobs in the US. It's serves a very important purpose beyond being what people know.

  17. Sweaty sysadmins by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our new sweaty sysadmins.

    What are you going to do with the old ones?

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  18. It takes 1 joule to heat 1 cubic cm. one degree C. by crovira · · Score: 2, Informative

    The metric system is unified in all directions, time, mass, length, temperature, energy etc...

    The system makes sense instead of relying on the length on the king's thumb, foot and arm, or the weight of a stone or the amount of work being done by a horse, all variable and inconsistent.

    Its one of the many things we owe the French under Napoleon, like a unified system of laws, the "Code Napoleon."

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  19. SUN's blackbox does this... by Zapotek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    SUN already beat you to it...
    http://www.sun.com/products/sunmd/s20/specifications.jsp#Anchor6
    It was also posted on /. when it first came out...

  20. Sure, the servers can run at a higher temp... by sacremon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...but the servers aren't the only thing in a data center. If the switches and routers can't take the higher heat, then you aren't going to get much use out of those servers.

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  21. They don't even mention free cooling by jhw539 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real benefit to a 100F setpoint is the free cooling it allows. You can use filtered out door air or evaporatively cooled water from a cooling tower to keep a datacenter at 100F year round just about anywhere. This is a 90% reduction in cooling energy right there using decades old, mature HVAC tech.

  22. Let's run the numbers by this+great+guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    2.) The components use more power at higher temperatures! This is from increased leakage currents in the silicon.
    Below is a graph from Research My Startup company did! http://www.silentcomputing.com/tech/market2.gif

    May I point out the obvious: not only the higher power consumption comes from increased leakage currents in the silicon, but it also comes from the fact that power supplies are less efficient at higher temperatures, so they need to pull more current from the wall socket to maintain the same output current.

    However what you and I just said is irrelevant. As your graph shows, the difference in power consumption is very minimal: 2% for each 10C due to leakage currents, and maybe ~5% for each 10C in decreased PSU efficiency. These few percentage points are nothing compared to the amount of power you would save by making the AC work less hard. Indeed, if without AC the datacenter would reach 140F (333 Kelvin), cooling it down to 60F (289 Kelvin) requires removing 44 Kelvin of heat, whereas cooling it down to 100F (311 Kelvin) only requires removing 22 Kelvin of heat, therefore running it at 100F would roughly reduce the AC power consumption by 50% ! So the point made by TFA still holds: overall you still are saving energy by running a whole datacenter at a 10C higher temperature.

    As to the higher component failure rate: as it was proven by 2 independent studies last year (Google and CMU), higher temperatures do not even correlate with higher hdd failure rates. In fact, strangely they observed a slight reverse effect: hdd tended to fail less often !