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Work Resumes On Virtual Fence With Mexico
Hugh Pickens writes "Work resumed this week on the five-year project to link a chain of tower-mounted sensors and other surveillance equipment over most of the 2,000-mile border with Mexico. The network of cameras, radar, and communications gear is intended to speed deployment of US Border Patrol officers to intercept illegal immigrants, drug smugglers and other violators, yielding greater 'operational control' over the vast and rugged area. A $20M pilot project for the Secure Border Initiative, or 'SBInet,' carried out in the Bush administration, was generally considered a colossal IT failure. Since that time the DHS has given the prime contractor, Boeing, another $600M. The government says it has learned many lessons and made many changes in the program since the previous pilot rushed off-the-shelf equipment into operation without testing. The Obama administration has lowered the cost estimate for the 5-year project by $1.1B, to $6.7B, mainly by deferring work on the most difficult 200 miles of the border, in southwest Texas."
Hey, how about that economic collapse?
"A majority of US soldiers in Afghanistan stated the place was 'just fine, really' and they were learning to speak Pashto rather than returning. Canada looked south and snickered, though not very much as they still had Stephen Harper to cope with. The Kingdom of Mexico stated its 'regret' today that it has had to close its borders to American refugees."
(I'm in Eng-er-lund. We're way more fucked. And we have Gordon Brown.)
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The Mexican border has moved North between 1000 miles (at the northernmost point of the border) and 1500 miles (at the border's southernmost point).
$600 million for towers with cameras and motion detectors. Another slam-dunk pork contract for one of the biggest porkers of them all, Boeing. Can they do better on this than on the famous Dreamliner? Not likly, we might as well just pile up the cash and use it to BBQ hot dogs or something.
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A Latina family live near me. Mom, Dad, & a couple of pre-high school boys. They peridocally come through the neighborhood selling fresh, homemade tamales. I always buy (they're delicious) and have even given them a few things, like an unabridged english dictionary for the kids in school.
These folks are just trying to make a living & put their kids through school so they can have a better life. I guess I'm the only person in the USA who doesn't recognize that to be the horrible crime it is.
It's not the first time I've been wrong but sometimes I like being wrong. Just ask my ex-wives about that.
We could just hire Mexicans to build it. As long as they stay on their side while working, then no problem!
that this system would work to stop marijuana smuggling across the Canadian border too... with all the mountains and trees. Hahahaha.
ÂAye! ÂNo es bueno!
for this fence! Cause they took our jebs! ...relax and realize I'm kidding.
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Hey, we saved you lots of money. All we had to do was leave out the hard parts.
To have a well-defended border is not racism, it is border control.
Why don't we ask Israel how they're keeping their borders secure and take a few hints? Scale up the border and enforcement. Then actually treat the border as a no-go territory, where things and people get shot at or worse.
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At least in the long run. Say a couple of generations, with full English immersion in schools and government to prevent a Spanish Quebec.
Plus, it would save a lot of people a trip north and waiting until the next amnesty. They would get instant American citizenship, and people north of the current border get some say in what's going on in the deep, DEEP South.
How long until it's stolen? Seriously.
I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am.
A much cheaper way is to put up giant signs saying, "Welcome to Bush Country" with W and Cheney smiling like the devil himself.
Table-ized A.I.
If you can see it, and it's there, it's real.
If you can see it, but it's not there, it's virtual.
If you can't see it, and it's not there, it's gone.
Which applies to the state of this fence?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Billions of dollars for contractors. The answer to illegal immigration is simple. Jail the employers of illegal immigrants. Presto! No jobs for illegals equals vastly reduced illegal immigration. The local chicken processing plant here actually warns their workers not to show up on days when the INS is coming. Their management should go to jail but nooooo.... can't have people with money forced to obey the law. That'll never do.
Current models protect US only from virtual mexicans
These folks are just trying to make a living & put their kids through school so they can have a better life.
They sure are, that's why I support fully a greater degree of legal immigration from Mexico. But it's also why illegal immigrants should not be given amnesty, and the ones that are here now should be sent back without exception.
Consider this, illegal immigrants make it much harder for people like you describe, to come here legally. Why should people have a shot at a better life by jumping the line ahead of people who are trying to do it right?
That to me is why fundamentally I support locking down the border as tightly as possible, because the process to be a part of America should be as fair as we can make it and not just for those willing to pay a lot of money to a lot of shady people just to get here.
Again, this is obviously in conjunction with a wider open immigration process that would allow a faster flow of legal immigrants - from all over, not just Mexico.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
When a country engages in discrimination with respect to who gets citizenship and who doesn't then any differences in how citizens and non-citizens are treated is discrimination.
Since every other country without exception chooses who can be citizens, I'd say your point there is pretty stupid.
Or maybe you think it would be OK for the USA to decide that, say, Jewish people are no longer citizens and that a sovereign country has a right to deport non-citizens?
Undoing citizenship is not even close to the same thing as choosing who you can take in. Wake me when that ever happens (hint - not likely since we even grant automatic citizenship to babies born here).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Try..."they paid for and it's not there."
N/T
And why, pray tell, is illegally entering another country a crime WORTHY OF DEATH?
Okay, so "Invisible Fence" was already taken by the doggie people. What can you do?
Yeah, it's a national border; I have no problems with a minefield and machine gun turrets. As long as it's not used to keep anybody IN the u.s., it's completely acceptable.
The border patrol has approx 25,000 officers to cover the 2,000 mile border. Assuming each officer covers a 40-hour week, thats roughly 3 officers per mile. These guys must have awefully poor eyesight! You can't even make the case that one man isn't enough since you have another 29 within a 5-minute response time. Why the hell are we spending a huge chunk of money for a _detection_ system that still does nothing to prevent the intrusions? 6.7 billion would double the existing border patrol levels for 4 years. I think we also need to aggressively defend out borders. Enough with this detain and deport strategy. You don't see other countries doing this.
That scenario may be true in the short term. Long term, it will balance out. It also means more jobs stay at home rather than being farmed out to other countries -- which will happen regardless. Once equilibrium is reached, I think there will be a net benefit.
Waiting 50-100 years is not an option for most if anyone in that situation.
You're not taking into account firms like Grigsby & Cohen that decide to turn on citizens with legal dirty pool.
Better to take the lumps of protecting the nation if we're not going to help our citizens transition.
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The Mexican border has moved North between 1000 miles (at the northernmost point of the border) and 1500 miles (at the border's southernmost point).
Do you have any proof of this? I've looked a bit and can't find any reference's on this topic?
This will protect us from all virtual Mexicans...
My father worked for RCA at a remote location in South Jersey (Gibsboro). One week, they put up a chain link fence around the place. Over the weekend, the fence disappeared. I guess "Soprano Fencing" was a bad choice of a contractor.
"Hey, Tony, whadda I do wid dis fence?"
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
This site lets you watch the border and report suspicious activity. I'm not sure how effective it is, but its an example of what can be done with this "virtual fence" technology.
Most of those illegally crossing the boarder are looking for jobs, right? So why not require the use of eVerify, and have a meaningful system of identification, and mandatory jail sentences for anybody hiring an illegal immigrant. For most Mexicans, if they can not get jobs in the USA, there is no reason to come here.
There is also the GWB solution: make the US such an awful place to live, that nobody would want to come here, illegally or otherwise.
Seriously. Spend $500m to buy mines, and $100m to lay them. Mines are about $3-5 actual manufacturing cost and that would give you a fairly high density of mines. I guarantee that midnight crossing would slow way down. Right now there's almost no risk to crossing the border illegally. Worst case they get detained and deported.
Land mines? Are you fucking kidding me? You seriously suggest killing people who cross a god-damned border. And you're spared from this just because you happened to be born within said borders?
I am OK with legal immigrants, but not with illegally. If they want to come to U.S. to have a better life, then do it the legal ways.
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That is just politically correct propaganda. The "problem" is not an American problem.
What is the problem? Mexicans hate to live in a society created by their culture. It cannot generate sufficient wealth. Mexicans lack the ability to build a modern society. That is the problem. For political reasons, no one will state this obvious problem.
Building a modern, properous society is not rocket science. Look at Eastern Europe. Within about 1 year of liberation (in about 1990) from Soviet oppression, the Eastern Europeans laid the foundation of a genuine democratic government and a free market. Today, the Eastern Europeans are comfortable, have enough to eat, and have a decent live. Many Eastern Europeans do emigrate to, say, England for better economic opportunities, but they are not doing so out of desperation.
Now look at Mexico. It is blessed with plenty of natural resources: vast regions that are ideal for agriculture, oil, etc. Yet, despite having more than 50 years to build a prosperous society, the Mexicans did not do so. They turned a bounty of natural resources into stinking poverty, infested with drug gangs. No one -- not the Soviet Union of the old days nor any other external power -- imposed or is imposing this rotten society on the Mexicans. The Mexicans themselves created it. They are solely responsible for it.
By stark contrast, Japan has almost no natural resources, but the Japanese people turned their barren rock into the 2nd wealthiest nation in the world. Furthermore, Japan is a liberal Western democracy.
What do the Japanese and the Eastern Europeans have but Mexicans lack?
Washington should explore the possibility of a colonial approach to dealing with Mexico. If the Mexicans lack the ability to build a prosperous society, then we Americans should take effective control of the Mexican government and run Mexico as a de-facto colony of the USA. We in the West know how to build a prosperous society, and we should impose the process of Westernization onto Mexico.
We Americans should not allow desperate illegal aliens to suppress the wages of the American underclass. We have an obligation to help our own citizens first. Americans in the unskilled labor market are American citizens. We have an obligation to help them, not the Mexicans.
I find it astonishingly ironic that the most rabid protectionists are also the ones who are apparently pro-free-market.
That's because you don't understand the physical limits of economics and of the free market.
The free market for labor only works in a closed system with reasonably slow population growth. Human labor is the only commodity that is self-replicating, legally protected and government subsidized. For those reasons it's also the only economic input whose supply has an inverse relationship to quality of living and, thus, utility. Without limits, labor supply would grow uncontrollably, outstripping demand and collapsing individual quality of life.
Look at almost any third world country for an example of this in action. China and India don't need more people. They're trying to kill them off as quickly as possible by herding them into polluted cities and enforcing quotas on cigarettes and limits on children. Saturating our labor markets with an unending flow of immigrants would cause Americans' quality of life to plummet, and would not appreciably improve the quality of life in the emigrant countries from which they came, because they would quickly be replaced.
Then, beyond any of that, which should be obvious by now, consider that labor demand is shrinking as technology improves. Jobs are increasingly being done by computers and robots. One worker can do the jobs of ten or a hundred workers of just a few decades ago. Energy is the limiting factor to future economic growth, not labor.
And you're wrong about one other thing: Borders don't create wars. Resource shortages create wars. Overpopulation creates resource shortages. And competent governments with well-managed borders prevent overpopulation.
I just hope that well-intentioned idiots like yourself begin to realize this before the next large-scale war is caused by China and India's overpopulation problems. Surely you wouldn't be so stupid and short-sighted as to blame that on racism and fascism when greed and scarcity are much more obvious culprits?
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
Illegal immigrants are people that break into an apartment complex and start living there without the permission of the landlord. The landlord knows about this but can't throw him out because his tenants will call him racist or fascist. SO what he does is he puts him on the lowest part of the totem pole, giving him the least in maintenance any whatnot. Then, some of the tenants start saying that the landlord should take care of the new guy just like the rest of them because he's already there.
Now, the legal immigrants are the people who spoke to the landlord and are about to come in to look at the apartment. They're getting credit checks run on them and everything and hey, they might even rent the apartment. But they can't because the illegal immigrant got there first.
I don't care if the illegal immigrant is paying his landlord the rental fee. Most likely he isn't but it's possible. I don't care if he'd been living in craptown before this. The thing here is he's pushed ahead of the legal immigrants to get into the apartment without following the established way of doing things.
So what can the landlord do? He tries to increase security on the empty apartments so the same thing can't happen. Except, hey, the tenants complain AGAIN that he's being overbearing against those people who might want to break in and live in the apartment without the permission of the landlord.
I mean seriously, what the hell. If this situation weren't in a national scale the illegal immigrant would be thrown out and hauled to jail instantly.
None of the above?
You can't see it, and it's there.
There is also the GWB solution: make the US such an awful place to live, that nobody would want to come here, illegally or otherwise.
I wonder if the US could improve the situation in Mexico by creating a new type of visa. The idea is that you could live in the US as long as you want, but only 50% of the time. This would encourage migrants to divide their time between Mexico and the US. There would be more cultural exchange and the people who have (partly) migrated north would have a good reason to make Mexico a good place to live. Ultimately this might result in fewer people wanting to leave the country.
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Isn't the real expense going to be in putting the beep/shock collars on all those Mexicans?
Also: "Any word that follows 'virtual' is a lie."
First uttered by Reagan. One of many hypocritical manifestos of the American government.
The border patrol has approx 25,000 officers to cover the 2,000 mile border.
Think again. Think harder.
[ U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or CBP] is responsible for guarding nearly 7,000 miles of land border the United States shares with Canada and Mexico and 2,000 miles of coastal waters surrounding the Florida peninsula and off the coast of Southern California. The agency also protects 95,000 miles of maritime border in partnership with the United States Coast Guard.
[There are] more than 17,000 CBP Border Patrol agents, 1,000 CBP Air and Marine agents, and almost 22,000 CBP officers and agriculture specialists, together with the nation's largest law enforcement canine program.
On a typical day in fiscal year 2008, CBP processed approximately 1 million passengers and pedestrians; 70,000 containers; and 331,000 privately owned vehicles.
257,000 international arrivals by air. 43,000 by ship.
There were 73 arrests of criminals
2,796 apprehensions...for illegal entry
Seized -
7,621 pounds of narcotics
$296,000 in undeclared or illicit currency
4,125 prohibited meat, plant materials or animal products, including 400 agricultural pests at ports of entry
Rescued 3 illegal crossers in distress or dangerous conditions
Deployed -
1,275 canine enforcement teams
18,276 vehicles, 275 aircraft, 180 watercraft, and 252 equestrian patrols This is CBP
Start setting up manufacturing capacity in Mexico to make things like kitchenware, toys, computer keyboards and other things that are currently being made in China. I dont know what sort of wages you could pay a Mexican vs what you could pay someone in China to do the same job but I suspect that once you factor in the boat trip from China vs the truck ride from Mexico, the total cost to produce, say, a plastic container in Mexico would be cheaper than producing the same container in China. Assuming that is the case, companies like Wal-Mart could make more profit, lower their prices or both.
So it has the advantage of giving Mexicans a job so they have less reason to come to the USA, the advantage of potentially lower mfg costs for these goods and it cuts China out of the equation.
It's been a long time since I learned about US history in school but I get the distinct impression you're forgetting something. What what that, again? .... April showers?
Why just detect illegals when you can stop them cold? Forget cameras and shit, buy UA571 robot sentry guns and set them up with overlapping fields of fire.
Screw the fence.
Just put a bunch of Intelligent Munition System (IMS) landmines in it's place.
Cheaper, and a better deterrrent.
Since illeal immigrant are getting health care, police protection, (add a number of government supplied services here) anyway.. just take the plunge, make them citizens... and then proceed to tax the bejesus out of them.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
Would that be the same economists who suggest drilling for more oil when you need more? The same ones who think supply can magically match demand
Snipers and Mine Fields solve the illegal immigration problem.
Dramatically increase the number of legal immigrants allowed, but register and track them. One wrong move and back to where ever you came from.
Any one here illegally now will be given a chance to leave on their own and come back legally. But if they stay, they continue to be criminals and should be treated as such.
Is it really that hard? Seems simple to me.
We don't need a fence, or guards even. (Maybe for the drug smugglers and bad things like that)
We a need of system of making these illegal people legal. All they want is a life so why not help them.
This will help all of us. Give all the illegal immigrants legal status as long as they pay taxes. I'm pretty sure that would help the deficient by all of a sudden having millions of new tax payers.
Made throw a mandatory English class in there too.
To give them amnesty would be to give incentive to border jump even more.
See a very similar attempt in 1986 for example.
Make them reform their country, not ours.
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I think "Can't see it, and it is there" is the proper phrase
Or I shall be forced to take your picture again.
Now please address the hundreds of thousands of illegal alien gangbangers who commit a huge amount of violent crime in the US. In detail, please tell us what should we do about it, and how you can tell by merely looking who is a good illegal alien and who isn't. And also make a case for raising local property taxes to pay for all of this, make the case why we should pay for people here illegally who in no way are paying enough in taxes to offset the increased needs of local communities with increased hospital costs (they basically overwhelm local emergency rooms with normal healthcare demand and usually having no insurance the tab has to be picked up by everyone else), increased police costs(see previous mention of gangbangers and do the research to verify there are in fact hundreds of thousands of them now, and even if incarcerated run around 50 grand a year to maintain them in prisons), increased local schooling costs, etc.
Just ONE kid costs around 20 grand a year if they are suddenly in the community and need to be schooled, from year to year costs and new physical plants needed because of capacity issues. In my area, they are having to build one new public school per year, and have done so over the past around six years now because of the influx of illegals. There is no way in hell that an illegal family with one, two, three or more kids is paying 20,40 or 60 thousand a year in local property taxes to pay for that, That is coming out of other folk's pockets. Please make the case why you think that is fair or sustainable, or how that 40 grand for those two kids is balanced with your tamale diet. Are YOU willing to pay the extra schooling costs of those two kids out of your pocket? No? Why should your neighbors then, make the case please.
Also please make a case why relieving pressure on Mexico to actually develop a workable social and economic system and pay a living wage down there is not more desirable.
Mexico is an insanely corrupt medieval styled fiefdom run by around 200 billionaire families who are interconnected with the government and the drug cartels. Why do you support such a system that is the primary cause of the people fleeing their own nation? Do you think they really want to leave? Wouldn't it be better to use harsher methods with the alleged so called government there to be more fair with their own people? Why do you think giving those corrupt plutocrats a full skate is such a good idea, and why should we pay for that?
Can't you see that by having a release valve here that just perpetuates that corrupt system there, rather than letting it get to the point that the people there clean up their own mess, using whatever means are necessary?
And where does it end? The planet now has 7 billion people, how many millions or tens of millions or hundreds of millions more illegals are we supposed to absorb in the US? Really, give us an exact number, and also how you come up with that number. And if there is a cutoff point, aren't you back to saying we should have controlled immigration like is supposed to be the law now? Or is it your point that we should have no immigration rules, just let in and out whomever wishes, no questions asked ever?
Are you starting to see the larger picture now, and why this isn't a simple issue, and why people who are concerned over unchecked illegal immigration have some points?
This is simple if you can get past you little local anecdotals.
People need to flee their own land, ask the question, why? Answer, it sucks royally where they are at. Now ask why that is so, and do the research to find out. Now you are closer to a real sustainable answer. The solution to the illegal Mexican alien immigration issue is to institute and force reforms so that Mexico doesn't suck in the first place
The US has to stop kowtowing to those top 200 feudal families who run that place and start cracking down on them, using the same means we would use with any other
No ones going to read this but, the birth rate in Central and South America has fallen off a cliff in the last fifteen years. At the same time the migration of people from rural Mexico to the cities is at the end stage.
What drives illegal immigration from Mexico is the weak job market and the emptying out of rural Mexico (because there are no jobs). Young people either head to the cities or north to the US mostly depending on whether they have relatives in either place.
However the rural->urban migration mostly finished and the lower birth rate means a better job market and settled population in Mexico. That means much much lower immigration from Mexico in the coming years. So this is a 'problem' that will fix itself and spending more money on it it is silly.
Why was this modded Flamebait? Don't mod down just because you disagree.
I gotta get me one of them government jobs, so I can just get money thrown at me.
"You need $4.5 million for a bunch of Cheez-It's and a Beowulf cluster for home? You've got it!"
NAFTA isn't that a free trade agreement?
Free trade isn't that free movement of funds, goods and workers?
Why this much control at the border then?
Oh, you mean it;s free trade for corporations not people?
hum ... think we got shafted again.
He means Puerto Rico, which has been a US possession since 1898.
Given the topic of this thread, it sure is relevant to mention that the USA imposed on Puerto Rico an English-language educational system, in an attempt to anglicize the population. It failed.
Because if there's anything foreign policy experience has taught us, it's that other countries are just begging to be "Westernizied."
The US has been interfering in the affairs of Latin America since the Spanish-American War, overthrowing "hostile" democratic governments and instituting US-friendly regimes. Whether these new governments were democracies or brutal dictatorships mattered not, as long as they remained friendly to the US. Needless to say, a number of those citizens of those nations were (and are) more than a little pissed.
Your comment about proper channels is uninformed.
My wife is from the UK and I have been through the green card process. We had to hire a lawyer because the rules are so arcane and complex, one little slip-up and you're toast.
Case in point - our lawyer told us to delay her "final interview", because it would come before our two year wedding anniversary. Why is that important? If you get your green card before your two year wedding anniversary, your green card is only good for three years, and then you have to go through an expensive renewal process.
If your final interview is after your two year wedding anniversary, your green card is good for ten years.
Our lawyer changed the interview date, but INS lost the letter. Apparently, this is very common. However, we received a letter in the mail saying that because we did not show up for the interview, my wife had 30 days to leave the country.
Our lawyer processes hundreds of applications every month, so he personally knows the director of the Immigration services in Norfolk and intervened on our behalf.
We paid $4000 for the lawyer and $2800 more in application fees and supporting documentational effort.
If they took all the billions of dollars they are spending on stupid techno-junk to watch the border and instead used it to bolster the infrastructure of the application and review process, and to hire more office workers and inspectors, an immigration application would take four weeks instead of 28 months.
When it takes 28 months instead of four weeks, it is because someone is profiting from such an arrangement. In this case it is Boeing, and the companies who exploit illegal labor.
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Since I was laid off from my last job as a systems analyst I've been trying to get a job, any job, but it seems like every minimum wage job is controlled by Mexican mafia, at one point I was practically chased off from one meat packing plant by a gang of Mexicans (complete with death threats and all). I say our country has the right to protect it's borders by any means necessary, which in my opinion means landmines and machine gun nests, shoot anyone trying to sneak in on sight, the Mexicans only understand violence.
We should be more like Iran and Russia? What political philosophy is this? Certainly not what our founding fathers envisioned.
This is /. it seems only the dickheads have mod points.
An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
Because if there's anything foreign policy experience has taught us, it's that other countries are just begging to be "Westernizied."
They are, otherwise their people wouldn't be flooding in here by boat.
An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
Better yet annex them and make them citizens.
No problems with wiping out their drug lords.
Lot smaller boarder to protect then.
The Great Wall Of China was ( and is ) quite a fancy technical feat in its day. It didn't keep people out. I think a better approach is to work with those governments to improve their economies so people don't feel compelled to emigrate just to make a basic living.
"I guess I'm the only person in the USA who doesn't recognize that to be the horrible crime it is."
Probably.
You'll be the first person bitching when these tamales have salmonella. You'll be asking for more government regulation.
And when you get put out of work because some illegal will do your job for 1/4 the price, you'll be wondering what your government is actually for.
And then when your taxes get doubled because these wonderful illegals send 10 kids to school without paying any taxes, you'll wonder what's really going on.
Finally, when you go to your council meeting and wonder why everybody is speaking spanish, and how illegals managed to vote in very pro-illegal spanish speaking council you'll wonder how your life changed completely all because of people just trying to make a living for themselves.
You're the picture of how a country is destroyed from within, gringo.
IBM made some incredibly idiotic decisions, and I hope SBINet part deaux will be better handled. Even if it is, SBINet will help, but it isn't going to do enough. The crossers have many tactics for defeating a surveillance network, including making feints to draw agents out of place then swarming another area where it will take the Border Patrol too long to get there. As one Border Patrol agent said to me, "All the sensors and cameras do is let us count the number who get away." A double or triple physical fence backed up by agents, sensors, and cameras is the only thing that's going to make a dent. Bringing down the hammer of law enforcement on those hiring illegals would do the most. I wouldn't put any money on a significant uptick in either one for the foreseeable future.
That seems a little excessive.
Wouldn't a big concrete wall & a few CCTV cameras be cheaper and just as effective? Possibly even more reliable 'cos it doesn't require inventing new tech...
So now I know what 'USIDent' in Southland Tales is referring to. I thought it was a kind of clumsy half-capitalisation that wouldn't appear in real life... but no.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
While there is some thruth to the 'It is their society which is unable to fix their problems' statement, for obvious reasons, you are just plain wrong in the following line:
"Mexicans hate to live in a society created by their culture"
It is the cowards and unskilled that immigrate to the USA ILLEGALLY.
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putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Before I read the summary, I was picturing a bunch of Mexicans posting their work resumes on some kind of semi-transparent fence along the border with the US. Who knows? Perhaps that could be the new way to find jobs across the border?
To do list for Windows
The problem with a virtual fence is that it won't stop real illegals from coming across.
Do NOT confuse these people with those that immigrate to this country LEGALLY!!! If you don't like our current immigration laws, the solution is simple - get your legislature to pass new ones! Period!
Tony Blair was rightly hounded for his corrupt handling of the media.
Now we have a PM that is not obsessed by this.
If you want politicians that micromanage every aspect of their public life, and thus, detach themselves from reality, go on, criticize this non event.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Mexicans are just coming back to areas that used to belong to our country.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Mexico had an elected President in 1910 after ousting Porfirio Diaz, a modernizer but dictatorial , criminal and authoritarian figure.
A traitor, supported by the US, deposed the legitimate Mexican government.
After that we had 70 years of certainly self inflicted pain, but do not forget that when we tried to give ourselves a democracy the US wasn't there to lend us a hand.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
NAFTA should have an agreement for the free and unrestricted movement of people.
Why are USians so afraid of competition? The softy Europeans weren't ....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
... than the other way around.
US immigrants are notorious for creating pockets of English only areas in the countries where they settle.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Do you see any traffickers between France and the UK?
Or poorer countries like Poland and Germany or the UK?
No, Why? Because people can come and go as they please.
If the US was remotely serious about stopping trafficking of people they would just stop extensive border controls scaling back to reasonable controls, based mostly on proper intelligence and policing work.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
No matter how much you would want this to be the case, it isn't.
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... and stop worrying about controling the natural economic flows.
The US may have an initial flood of Mexican immigrants if borders were fully open, but a situation in which immigrants fully contribute to the economy and compete in a fair basis for jobs with the locals is far more desirable than the mess of human and economic wastage that exists now.
And one more little secret: most Mexicans moving to the US for the first time don't like it there and would prefer to go back home to their extended families.
If people could go to the US freely, they would eventually settle back in Mexico, making their towns more prosperous in the process.
Why the US insists on these irrational border controls, against the US's best interests, is proof about how completely irrational racism is (because it is racism, there is no other reason for the US reticence to deal with this matter appropriately).
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People in Europe were saying exactly the same thing when countries like Spain, Portugal and Greece (oh, those latin peoples, I am noting a trend here?) joined the EU. And more recently when Eastern European countries from the former Soviet block did.
Although there was an initial influx of workers from these countries (to fill positions that locals didn't want to fill), eventually the immigration leveled out, and there have been years in which the net immigration has reversed from "rich" countries to poor ones.
Now Spain is one of the strongest economies in the world (after the quasi feudal mismanagement of the fascist Franco), Portugal and Greece are more prosperous, and rich countries are not overcome by Portuguese and Spanish low income workers (in the contrary, now the influx is of highly educated people).
Even East Europeans are benefiting now from this dynamics, and the numbers of them moving to the UK for example have leveled out.
So if Europe can cope, is the US in such bad shape that can't come with a creative humane solution to the control of immigration?
Is the best the leading light of democracy and freedom can offer a replication of the Berlin Wall?
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... had similar levels of poverty to Mexico at the time they joined the EU.
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Allowing for the term race to creep on this discussion (there is not such a thing as human races from a proper scientific point of view), Hispanics share one thing and one thing only: we speak Spanish.
There are people of African, European, Amerindian and Asian (Salma Hayek is of Lebanese descent fro example) descent who are Hispanic.
So I would say that those "statistics" are just providing the racist propaganda some people in US society want to know, in order to provide an ideological base to avoid addressing the real issues (poverty, lack of oportunity).
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A walk in the park in London, Paris or Berlin should be enough proof for that.
Just for starters there are no border controls between most EU states. Whatever you are, whenever you were born, your passport will never be checked when you cross a national border in most of Europe.
Talking as a Mexican, the place most difficult to enter is the US. I get a tourist visa on arrival to all signatory countries of the Schengen agreement, the UK and many other countries. Even Canada grants Mexicans tourist visas on arrival.
The paperwork for a visa to Vietnam was less complicated than one for the US.
Unsurprisingly I have not visited the land of the free for several years now, frankly I can't be bothered. Shame that my paisanos are not so lucky.
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Ask a clue from a country that is acting in a demonstrably racist way....
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No matter if he is less efficient, lazier or less educated.
Consumers are citizens also btw, so by artificially paying higher salaries you are actually harming local consumers.
So which is it Keemosabe? You either harm workers or consumers (this is actually not true of course, by allowing immigration freely you increase your contributory tax base, immigrants will of course demand goods and services which create new jobs in the economy that were not there before. But if you want to keep goods and services artificially expensive in your country keep suggesting irrational solutions ....)
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There is not a single Mexican that would welcome such a thing.
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But would gladly pay taxes.
It is the stubbornness of US politicians and certain sectors of US society which makes this impossible.
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Therefore government officials seek to undermine it.
One way to deal with the "lost letter" problem is to send ALL relevant correspondence registered mail with internet tracking and keep copies.
I got the idea from other veterans dealing with the Veterans Administration (which was caught SHREDDING disability paperwork).
http://www.vawatchdog.org/VAshredderscandal.htm
If the government will do it to veterans, anyone is vulnerable.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
I can assure you that the lawyer sent EVERYTHING registered mail. they lost it after they got it.
it really doesn't matter with immigration. even when you're right, you're wrong...
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seems quite high according to a quick Google search that I just did.
Interesting point however, since S America does seem to be in a decline.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.