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Break-In Compromises 160k Medical Records At UC Berkeley

nandemoari writes "Hackers have reportedly infiltrated restricted computer databases at the University of California Berkeley, putting the private data of 160,000 students, alumni, and others at risk. According to UC Berkeley, computer administrators determined on April 9, 2009 that electronic databases in University Health Services had been breached by overseas criminals. The breakins began in October 2008. Information contained on the breached databases included Social Security numbers, health insurance information, and non-treatment medical information such as records of immunization and names of treating physicians."

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  1. Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it's connected to internet, it's just matter of time.

    1. Re:Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see what the big deal is. As Rush Limbaugh says there is no right to privacy. That is until his own privacy is invaded.

    2. Re:Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, maybe if they're using Linsux. Windows Server 2008 is uncrackable.

    3. Re:Duh.. by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      nah, they should be using OpenBSD ;)

    4. Re:Duh.. by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 4, Funny

      UC Berkeley using a BSD? That's highly illogical!

    5. Re:Duh.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is a reason why they have to pretty much pull teeth from me, in order for me to give my SSN to any one or any entity that is not related directly to SSN monies and benefits.

      I don't give them to insurance people, I don't give them to Dr.'s or medical institutions, or even utilities (cable, phone). etc). I don't give it out to hardly anyone. Sometimes it is a fight, but, very seldom has it happened, that when I was going to walk away from the transaction, did they not cave and say "ok".

      The next battle, as I understand it, will be trying to sign up for an iPhone without giving an SSN. I've heard it can be done, but, sometimes take a number of tries before finding the salesperson/mrg that will do it.

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    6. Re:Duh.. by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      Yeah,like my university. Where the only place they use the information security department's smart card system is in information security. Rest of the campus works on a bought in solution...

    7. Re:Duh.. by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The next battle, as I understand it, will be trying to sign up for an iPhone without giving an SSN. I've heard it can be done, but, sometimes take a number of tries before finding the salesperson/mrg that will do it.

      It's got to do with a credit check. You need to surrender your SSN for the normal credit check, and they use the results to determine your deposit. Very few companies will do an alternate (less informative/reliable) check that does not require your ssn.

      Without the credit check, you can still get a phone, 100% of the time. You will just have to pay a very large deposit, the largest possible for people that have horrible credit. Anyone that tells you that your ssn is required to get an iPhone is out of touch with reality.

      This is true of any of the places that are not authorized by law to require your ssn. So same applies to the others that are often brought up, such as utilities, and pretty much always applies to calculation of a deposit or interest rate.

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    8. Re:Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooosh. The "B" in "BSD" stands for "Berkeley," as in UC Berkeley.

    9. Re:Duh.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It's got to do with a credit check. You need to surrender your SSN for the normal credit check, and they use the results to determine your deposit. Very few companies will do an alternate (less informative/reliable) check that does not require your ssn. Without the credit check, you can still get a phone, 100% of the time. You will just have to pay a very large deposit, the largest possible for people that have horrible credit. Anyone that tells you that your ssn is required to get an iPhone is out of touch with reality."

      I have no problem putting down a large deposit. I'd just heard it often took a lot of time and effort to find a manager that even knows they CAN do that in lieu of a SSN for credit check.

      I've given deposits for my utilities...and even my current cell phone. I usually get them back within a year or so....

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    10. Re:Duh.. by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      Any one here not already know that?

    11. Re:Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have another approach: Give the wrong one.

      Years ago, I tried to sign-up to pay my cell phone bill online, and I had to enter my SSN. I caved, but the system told me I entered it wrong. So I called them, gave it to them over the phone, and they still told me it was wrong.

      To this day, I don't know if it is still wrong in their system, or what the number is. I don't know if I gave it wrong initially, or it was mistyped. Either way, I'm helping someone's credit since I pay my bills on time. Maybe this other mystical someone has my name too.

      I have no need to correct it - in 3 years of cell phone service, they have yet to ask me for it any other time. I plan to get an iPhone 3.0 when they come out, so we will see what happens then.

    12. Re:Duh.. by madman101 · · Score: 1

      From the university's press release:

      The attackers accessed a public Web site and subsequently bypassed additional secured databases stored on the same server.

      OK, What moron keeps sensitive databases on a public web server?

    13. Re:Duh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, sounds like a lot of work to protect something that can probably be gotten in 15 minutes with a trip to the public records office.

      While you should not just hand out your SSN to anyone, it's really not as much of a secret as you seem to think it is.

    14. Re:Duh.. by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 1

      I'm a computer science major at Berkeley and I can attest that, outside of the EECS department, things run on pretty much the same software as at any university. I don't know about server software specifically, but all the administrative computers I've seen run Windows or are Macs.

      Inside the EECS department, though, you can see the Unix-centric heritage. It's like a little software enclave—it's got its own class account system with email and newsgroups, no doubt dating back to when it was the only department on the campus to have such things. Oddly enough, most of the machines don't run on BSD, nor on Linux, but on Solaris. I think Sun must have given them a deal on hardware a while back. Of course, there are some BSD and Linux boxes around too.

    15. Re:Duh.. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Without the credit check, you can still get a phone, 100% of the time. You will just have to pay a very large deposit, the largest possible for people that have horrible credit.

      FWIW, I was able to get verizon fios installed without a SSN or a security deposit or any kind of automated payment setup either. To make things even "weirder" looking - I use a private mailbox for all billing so my installation address didn't even match my billing address.

      Comcast, on the other hand, wanted an SSN. Since Verizon didn't I just went with them instead of pushing back on Comcast. So I can't say how easy it might be to change Comcast's mind.

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    16. Re:Duh.. by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      Yay, Berkeley EECS gathering on slashdot! Incidentally, Solaris is kind of annoying in random little ways compared to Linux, but I find it awesome how well the SunRays actually hold up under moderate load.

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  2. Hackers or Crackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If they're infiltrating with malicious intent, I don't think 'hacker' is the proper term here...

    1. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did they get into the system with intricate knowledge of computer systems or did they brute force and crack a password or other encryption scheme?

      (bad) Hacker may be an appropriate term. Just as there are probably (good) hackers probably trying to figure out who did this.

    2. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just because they're on the internet doesn't mean they're white.

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    3. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Words and their definitions change. Hacker being one of them.

      Just because of bunch of Nerds on slashdot want to argue semantics doesn't stop the rest of the world from moving and changing.

    4. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they're infiltrating with malicious intent, I don't think 'hacker' is the proper term here...

      Yeesh, give it a rest. Evil computer infiltrator is the predominately accepted definition for Hacker these days. No one calling you a Geek today thinks you bite the heads off small animals. In fact, Geek's etymology stems back to an old English word for "Fool", whereas today it means a smart, unliked person (although it's starting to lose the "unliked" portion of its definition with the rise of the ubiquitous computer culture). I predict in 20-40 years, "Hacker" will be synonymous with "Con-man" as more "crackers" shift into social engineering either in person or via email/IM...
      </feeding the troll>

    5. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did they get into the system with intricate knowledge of computer systems or did they brute force and crack a password or other encryption scheme?

      Can you break this encryption?

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    6. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by foobsr · · Score: 1

      ... Geek's etymology stems back to an old English word for "Fool", whereas today it means a smart, unliked person ...

      Smart a_n_d unliked? How foolish.

      CC.

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    7. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

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    8. Re:Hackers or Crackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, you obviously hang with the self-labelled "geek" crowd. "Geek", ever since I have known the term, meant and still means the guy with a set of esoteric obsessive interests. "Smart" is the guy who gets the summa/1st in mathematics and goes to work for NASA or on Wall Street. "Geek" is the guy who knows all the Star Trek episode names and enjoys performing basic computer maintenance.

      I'm not sure where I'd position myself. I hate "geek culture" and I memorise practically nothing, but I am highly interested in my day-to-day pursuits: the theory and practice of mathematics and computer science. Whenever I'm being geeky I realise that I'm either preferring some deficient status quo or bending towards technocracy, neither of which have any place in advancing scholarship or society.

  3. CA is suppose the computer place too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't hire computer security people from California, they seem to have all the break ins.

  4. Auditing Logs by DigiWood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Part of my daily duties as a systems administrator was auditing connection logs for odd behavior. Don't admins do that anymore?

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    1. Re:Auditing Logs by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Part of my daily duties as a systems administrator was auditing connection logs for odd behavior. Don't admins do that anymore?

      This is a bit of a dilemma, if the systems administrator and the hacker are one in the same person.

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    2. Re:Auditing Logs by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's only reserved for a select few sites.

      Odd behavior is sometimes hard to distinguish from normal behavior, so you can't get everything. And in some cases the traffic volume is so large that it's not feasible to try to catch behavior patterns because the deed may be over at the time the analysis has finished.

      And then - many systems today lacks necessary logs and may even lack logs completely. That's all too common in those cost-pressed projects. Even if there is a log it's often incomprehensible unless you are the programmer.

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    3. Re:Auditing Logs by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most "Systems Administrators" are people like me, who know enough to keep a wide variety of systems functioning, with little or no training, and are expected to spend a great deal of time and energy keeping the systems functioning ... all by themselves. The scope of responsibility of many of these "System Administrators" spans much further than auditing logs.

      I only WISH I had the time to audit logs, and make corrective actions. But our staff has 6000 PCs and three dozen (or more) servers that we have to keep running.

      Administration doesn't care about hackers until it is too late. They don't care about computers or keeping them running, until they are without. It is like all those people bitching and complaining when they don't have electricity for a day after a storm. They don't care what it takes to keep the juice flowing until it isn't.

      The old saying "don't fix it, if it ain't broke" runs many IT Depts.

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    4. Re:Auditing Logs by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Part of my daily duties as a systems administrator was auditing connection logs for odd behavior. Don't admins do that anymore?

      A lot of that is left up to parsing scripts, interns, or just ignored. Plus, "Odd" is relative. If one of your people is overseas in China, and his VPN account logs in from China IPs at odd times of the day, it could be normal. Until it logs in twice at the same time or after he comes home, you won't notice.

    5. Re:Auditing Logs by maxume · · Score: 1

      If you are spending all your time just keeping things functioning, isn't that close enough to broke that you should fix it?

      No one likes an angry Kenan Thompson.

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    6. Re:Auditing Logs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, "Odd" is relative. If one of your people is overseas in China, and his VPN account logs in from China IPs at odd times of the day, it could be normal. Until it logs in twice at the same time or after he comes home, you won't notice.

      There are many authentication systems that do exactly that. Entrust (http://www.entrust.com/) has a nice library of products, including smartcards & key fobs, but also have geolocation. So if a user logs on from their regular home DSL provider, that's normal. If they're logging in from a Chinese ip address range, ask for additional confirmation before granting access.

      Many banks do this these days.

    7. Re:Auditing Logs by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      And in some cases the traffic volume is so large that it's not feasible to try to catch behavior patterns

      We have these things called computers, you know...

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    8. Re:Auditing Logs by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      Part of my daily duties as a systems administrator was auditing connection logs for odd behavior. Don't admins do that anymore?

      Nah, there's an iPhone app for that.

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    9. Re:Auditing Logs by ps2os2 · · Score: 1

      In another life I was working 100 hour+ weeks and I did manage to skim the security logs daily. I was not told to do it but I was always proactive and if there was something needed to be done I did it.
      Then I got laid off and they had to hire 3 people to replace me. Chuckle the jerks did not have a clue as to what was going on.

  5. Curious to know... by get+quad · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Were the databases Microsoft-based?

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    1. Re:Curious to know... by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      Man if only they were using OpenBSD... That would've been so... much.... ummm....

    2. Re:Curious to know... by get+quad · · Score: 0, Redundant

      oh classic, modded as flamebait for asking a legit question which might give some insight into the actual security situation.

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    3. Re:Curious to know... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Were the databases Microsoft-based?

      oh classic, modded as flamebait for asking a legit question which might give some insight into the actual security situation.

      You might quit while you're ahead, err, behind. I've got Karma to burn though, so I'll quote you to see if anyone knows. It's my experience that medical researchers prefer Windows machines and access databases since they use Microsoft in hospital settings. Anyone else got more insight on the preferences of the Berkeley folk?

    4. Re:Curious to know... by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      The EECS servers here are mostly Solaris, but I imagine the people adminning in UHS are completely different, so it very well could be Windows. I would hope that whoever set up the UHS servers consulted with the EECS department, specifically the network security researchers, before deploying their servers, but I'm guessing that didn't happen. And now my SSN is floating around somewhere...

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    5. Re:Curious to know... by Bio)-(azard · · Score: 1

      What does it matter if it was microsoft or not? They didn't break in via the database.

      Why not ask the question, what was the webserver software and who made the website that allowed them to break in?

  6. Brutal by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why a national requirement for EMR systems isn't a good idea right now. The staffers that have to take care of this (in light of recent events in Virginia) are getting hung out to dry either because they don't have the training, or the budget, or both to pull this of safely.

    This will always be an argument against EMR systems - How much harder is it to break into someone's office or a hospital and rip off *everyone's* data. Sure, you could break in, steal a few and then torch the building... But which is worse? Missing your medical history or having all that personal identifiable information in the hands of credit thieves? And in the break in scenario, there's less stolen data. You're not walking out of a medial building with 160K charts... Or 8 Million in VA.

    1. Re:Brutal by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would seem to me that this would be an argument for a national EMR database. Instead of having thousands of individual databases, all with different levels of security and admin competence, we would have one.

    2. Re:Brutal by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. Rather than just this being isolated breaches of information it's much better that when attacked they have access to everyone's info! Brilliant!

    3. Re:Brutal by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      But which is worse? Missing your medical history or having all that personal identifiable information in the hands of credit thieves?

      Assuming that it _must_ be an either-or scenario, I'd rather have my medical history on port 80 open to the world. Sure, there'd be some (a lot of) abuses, but at least my doctors would know my medical history in an emergency or in case I get some long-term condition.

    4. Re:Brutal by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But which is worse? Missing your medical history or having all that personal identifiable information in the hands of credit thieves?

      Stand the problem on its ear: what if this information were worthless to credit thieves? What if this information simply was no longer able to wreck someone's life?

      What we should do instead is make the paradigm of "name, address, SSN, etc.", valueless. Figure out a way to issue credit that wasn't strictly information based. One way would be to make the banks stop issuing credit by mail. If you physically had to walk into a secure building, and present credentials to someone trained to review them, credit fraud and identity theft would dramatically slow down.

      We stupidly keep putting up with this crap. Regardless of how much security burden we place on banks, stores, schools and hospitals, there are always going to be leaks. With so many millions of retailers that have little to no oversight, there statistically HAVE to be "weak spots." Always. We have to change the fundamentals if we're going to fix the real problem.

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    5. Re:Brutal by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      And I'd rather have mine not on port 80 at all. It should be at least port 443, and better yet, on some seriously secured interface where accessing that data requires some sort of transaction ID, and pre-auth with the data holder.

      Furthermore - In that scenario, if I was in an emergency, I'd rather have the freaking hospital *call* the my doctor's office directly to make sure my "history" is correct.

      Has anyone ever wondered how people are supposed to verify the accuracy of these records?

    6. Re:Brutal by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      You sir, are addressing this from a much better angle. The biggest reason EMRs are so valuable is because of the non-health information kept with them.

      I personally don't care if the entire world knows I had knee surgery. In cases where someone had heart surgery, it's likely that they don't want a life insurer or health insurer to know... but they'll know anyway since that's their business. AFAIC - If our EMRs are not valuable to anyone outside the health industry, then I have no problem with them being posted up. I'm much more concerned with integrity at that point. On its own, verification is a task that can be tackled... Assuming you still keep a good paper trail. (coughDieboldcough)

    7. Re:Brutal by maxume · · Score: 1

      Just make banks responsible for accounts that they open; if the person named on the account says that they didn't open it, the burden should then be on the bank to demonstrate that they did. There needs to be a little protection against people that open accounts and then try to repudiate them, but not much (because the first time the bank caught and verified you, you would never get credit again).

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    8. Re:Brutal by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Part of me wants this to happen now. There's no technological reason this stuff can't be reasonably secured. It is pure rampant stupidity. Computer security practices today are comparable to security guards leaving the back door unlocked so they can take a smoke break and get back in. The only thing that will fix this stuff is constant rampant security violations.

      Worst-case, people just come to accept it and privacy dies. I guess that is quite a price to pay...

    9. Re:Brutal by Anonymusing · · Score: 1

      Furthermore - In that scenario, if I was in an emergency, I'd rather have the freaking hospital *call* the my doctor's office directly to make sure my "history" is correct.

      Right, because your doctor's office is open at 2am when you arrive at the emergency room. And I am sure you've found a way to make sure that, even in an extreme medical emergency, you will be able to stay alive without treatment for an extra 30 minutes while you're waiting for your doctor to get paged and call the ER docs back about your medical history. Of course, your physician will be at home, so he will have to drive to the office to check your records, which will take another half hour. (Too bad the records weren't online in some way he could look them up from home, eh?)

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    10. Re:Brutal by plover · · Score: 1

      That's kind of what happens today, but the mess it leaves behind for the abused individual is still pretty heavy, and the bank doesn't really care what happens to them. Plus, in some cases the individual might have a dozen accounts to clean up.

      Making credit harder to physically obtain would certainly place some additional burdens on all the customers, and would definitely reduce the number of cards issued. But in this debt-heavy economy, I have to ask if that would even be a bad thing?

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    11. Re:Brutal by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      This will always be an argument against EMR systems - How much harder is it to break into someone's office or a hospital and rip off *everyone's* data. Sure, you could break in, steal a few and then torch the building... But which is worse? Missing your medical history or having all that personal identifiable information in the hands of credit thieves?

      Missing my medical history. I don't care if someone steals my "credit." Identity theft is blaming the 3rd party victim for a bank's insecure practices. It's not stealing my credit or my identity, it's fraud, something that's been happening for thousands of years. The only difference now is that the banks are too lazy to take responsibility for their bad security. One simple law making it illegal to impede access to credit based on actions of a third party (the fraudster) and we'd have a near elimination of identity theft.

      Identity theft is allowed because the cost of stopping it is more than letting it happen. The financial institutions do a cost-benefit analysis exclusive of the inconvenience when they screw over people's lives. Have the government force them to consider that externality, and the problem is self-correcting. They will include the fine as a dollar cost for screwing over someone's life and tighten up security. That's the real purpose of the government in a capitalist society. To force companies to address their external effects, like dumping toxic waste into the drinking water or making it so someone can't get electric service without $2000 down payments because the bank refuses to clean up its records after proven fraud.

    12. Re:Brutal by maxume · · Score: 1

      Right, at a minimum, the banks and credit agencies need to be the ones doing the cleanup.

      I'm fine with it making credit a bit harder to obtain; banks would be motivated to come up with a cheap, strong mechanism for verifying identity, so it might not increase costs all that much, and it would certainly distribute them more fairly (i.e., to all customers instead of unlucky ones).

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    13. Re:Brutal by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      Excellent counterpoint regarding a closed doctor's office. Here are my rebuttals:
      1) Pertinent information in your medical history that would likely pop up would probably also be located in your local hospital. In fact, drug interactions and common procedure allergies will normally be discovered in the 24 hour hospital. Besides, doctors have to provide copies of what happens when you visit a practice to the local hospital and/or insurer anyway. It's part of the great medical (verifiable) paper trail.
      2) In the hospital, when you're suffering from your emergency that'll kill you in 30 minutes, chances are they won't even have time to hunt down your electronic records either. In fact, in the highest likelihood, the hospital is going to call the insurer first.
      3) Don't assume that the systems are working on either side. There are plenty of "computer malfunctions" that could happen.
      4) And no, it's not too bad that my records aren't on the web in some location where someone *else* could look them up either. If the doctor has opted in to having electronic records, then I'm sure he or she has some sort of VPN-like setup with a client that doesn't do public port 80... BTW - I was pointing out the use of port 80 specifically... Don't want anyone sniffing that in the medical coffee shop either.

    14. Re:Brutal by lorenlal · · Score: 1

      Agreed with the credit-fraud assessment. But I think we both know how quickly the feds will require that the banks and creditors clean up their acts...

    15. Re:Brutal by sowth · · Score: 1

      Public key cryptography would solve the problem. You could give your public key to anyone without worry they could use it to impersonate you. Well, unless they are able to calculate the private key from the public key, but from what I understand this is currently impractical for even the NSA if you use a decent key size. Maybe quantum computing or advances in mathmatics may change the situation, but we will have to just find something else at that point.

      We could've had a public key system in place nearly ten years ago. It is just the people who run government agencies, congress, financial institutions, etc. either don't know or don't care.

    16. Re:Brutal by sgent · · Score: 1
      Besides, doctors have to provide copies of what happens when you visit a practice to the local hospital and/or insurer anyway. It's part of the great medical (verifiable) paper trail.

      This is absolutely wrong -- your insurance company, yes (but usually only procedures and diagnosis, not allergy's, etc), but local hospital -- absolutely not.

      2) In the hospital, when you're suffering from your emergency that'll kill you in 30 minutes, chances are they won't even have time to hunt down your electronic records either. In fact, in the highest likelihood, the hospital is going to call the insurer first.

      That's a very cynical view -- one that isn't the case in any hospital of which I'm aware. Yes, they check your insurance, but in an emergency they are required to treat you regardless of insurance status -- and they do.

    17. Re:Brutal by Anonymusing · · Score: 1

      Valid points, all. I think this is not really an argument about technology, but about whether the risks of EMR outweigh its benefits -- and that is largely subjective.

      Per your four points:

      1. Not true. My local hospital has very little pertinent information on me. I also travel a lot and so my medical history is scattered around the U.S.
      2. How will they know your insurer? And why would your insurer know your allergies and complete medical history? I've had more than three different insurance companies in the last ten years -- plus a period where I had no insurance.
      3. Don't assume your paper-and-person system is working, either.
      4. Nobody is suggesting your info be on port 80 without any security. Obviously we're talking transmission encryption as well as data storage encryption. If your doctor has some sort of VPN-like setup into his records, why couldn't there be a VPN-like integration into a broader EMR service or database, so that a validated physician elsewhere could look it up with appropriate security checks.
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    18. Re:Brutal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One stop shopping ? :(

    19. Re:Brutal by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Has anyone ever wondered how people are supposed to verify the accuracy of these records?

      Simple. Ask the hackers if they're accurate......

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  7. This is a huge, everyday, constant problem. by silver007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surf on over to datalossdb.org and sub to the RSS feed. Something like this happens everyday, multiple times per day. The bad part is most of the time it's not hackers, it's employees that dump SSN's, DOB's, etc into the garbage or post them to the net. It's horrific. At least when hacker does it, it was done deliberately by someone with half a brain. Most of the time, it's clueless employees scattering our personal information about the grounds like it's fertilizer.

    1. Re:This is a huge, everyday, constant problem. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe we should stop making SSNs the end all be all of who we are.

    2. Re:This is a huge, everyday, constant problem. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Or we should quit using an identifier as a password.

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  8. Old Story by Plekto · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/uc-berkeley-suffers-breach-of-student-health-data/

    The email informing students of the breach was sent on May 8th. It was all over the news last Friday.

    1. Re:Old Story by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Slashdot editors posting stories that are days old? Never!

    2. Re:Old Story by dwye · · Score: 1

      > Slashdot editors posting stories that are days old? Never!

      Evidently, this is the exception that proves the rule.

      Normally, they wait until a story is a month or two old, but someone screwed up and posted it before its time.

    3. Re:Old Story by plover · · Score: 1

      > Slashdot editors posting stories that are days old? Never!

      Evidently, this is the exception that proves the rule.

      Normally, they wait until a story is a month or two old, but someone screwed up and posted it before its time.

      Don't worry, someone will post a dupe of it about the time it's due.

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    4. Re:Old Story by jggimi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but the most interesting part of the story is at Berkeley's website. They were entirely unaware of the intrusion until the "highly skilled" intruders, having had their way with Berkeley's system(s) for eight months, "...left messages on the server."

    5. Re:Old Story by Jazzer_Techie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the text of the email that was send out to the Berkeley community.

      Colleagues,
      We want to let you know that today the campus is sending notification letters and emails to members of our community to inform them of a computer breach that resulted in the theft of personal information from databases in our University Health Services, UHS, area.

      The victims of this crime are current and former students, as well as their parents and spouses if linked to insurance coverage, who had UHS health care coverage or received services. We are also sending notification letters to Mills College students who received, or were eligible to receive, healthcare on the UC Berkeley campus.

      We sincerely regret and apologize for any difficulty this theft may create for individuals who may have had their personal information exposed. We have alerted campus police detectives and the FBI, and are doing all that we can to investigate this crime. All of the exposed databases were immediately removed from service to make sure that they would be completely protected from any future attacks.

      Those individuals directly affected by the theft will receive letters with detailed information on steps that they can take to protect their credit and identity. We have launched a dedicated web site, http://datatheft.berkeley.edu/ that contains detailed information for affected individuals, the media and the general public. In addition a Data Theft Hotline, 888-729-3301 will be operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to answer questions from affected individuals.

      UC Berkeley computer administrators determined on April 21 that electronic databases in UHS had been breached and data stolen by overseas criminals. The databases stored personally identifiable information used for billing such as Social Security numbers, and non-treatment medical information such as immunization history, UHS medical record numbers, dates of visits or names of providers seen, or for participants in the Education Abroad Program, certain information from the self-reported health history.

      Please be assured that UHS electronic medical records, which include details of patients diagnoses~, treatments and therapies, are stored in a separate system and were not affected in this incident.

      To ensure that we fully understand the nature of the security breach and to determine the steps that we can take to minimize the risk of a reoccurrence, the university has hired an outside auditor, Price Waterhouse Coopers, to support our ongoing investigation of the incident. The campus is committed to implementing recommendations that address the root causes of this security breach.

      Steve Lustig
      Associate Vice Chancellor
      Health and Human Services

      Shelton Waggener
      Associate Vice Chancellor & CIO
      Information Services & Technology

  9. Time to live in secrecy by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Between this hacking job, and the stolen records from the Virginia health services, and who knows how many other attacks, I'm thinking it might be a good idea to live "in secret" without any computer-based accounts of any kind. No bank accounts, no stock accounts, no credit cards other than maybe just one.

    If you don't have these accounts, you won't be vulnerable to monetary or identity theft.

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    1. Re:Time to live in secrecy by ewanm89 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you also wouldn't have any proof identification or citizenship. No driving licence... And someone stated some health records were stolen in this case.

    2. Re:Time to live in secrecy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No bank accounts, no stock accounts, no credit cards other than maybe just one.

      Funny you skipped the example pertinent to the example - no medicare.

      And if you're going to have "maybe just one" credit card (which requires a bank account, btw), then that's no solution. Better to have a few, but keep each related to completely separate banks - reference and payments. Then while one's tied up by a scam, you've got another.

      But face it -- you just can't function without records, unless you want to live some sort of Mennonite lifestyle, sans everything, including an internet connection, because companies will not deal with you.

      What you need to do is educate* and irritate your legislature into passing and enforcing serious top-to-bottom privacy laws.

      I gather that might be really hard in the states? Your heavy separation of federal and state spheres may need to be reviewed to deal with the decidely non-geographic problem of data security.

      * Stop calling it 'identity theft'. That bullshit term places onus on the wrong party. Criminal A defrauds company B by posing as customer C. Customer C should not be involved beyond contact and confirmation that it wasn't them. The crime and cost of the fraud must remain between company B and criminal A. Calling it 'identity theft' lets companies dodge responsibility. People and legislators have to stop using the term.

    3. Re:Time to live in secrecy by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Technically you don't need a drivers license. You don't need permission to use the People's roads now, anymore than you needed permission one hundred years ago when you had a horse-and-carriage. Just because you sold the horse and switched to a Model T doesn't mean you lose the inalienable right to travel.

      As for the proof of citizenship, an SSI card with birth certificate serves that purpose.

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    4. Re:Time to live in secrecy by ewanm89 · · Score: 1

      SSI card details are on an electronic database, as are birth certificates now. As for driving licence, the laws were updated to require proof one is competant enough to drive. Give a metal box has less impact absorbtion properties than a horse. Also mass to acceleration ratio is a lot higher. You do not have galloping horses dragging carts other than chariots in war/arena which have a lot less mass than most modern cars.

  10. Stolen Plot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like someone stole the plot to The Cuckoo's Egg, which is a real life story of overseas hackers using UC Berkley's computers to infiltrate military computers rather than medical data.

    It wouldn't surprise me if this was an inside job to help get funding and laws through congress in order to consolidate medical records in the hands of the government.

    Not surprisingly this comes soon after the NAS said we need to establish a policy of committing cyber attacks against "enemies."

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nas+cyber+attack

  11. And... by Random2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...they left this information accessible to the public because?

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    1. Re:And... by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 2, Informative

      The information wasn't accessible through the public site. The problem was that the server compromised through the public website also contained the private databases.

    2. Re:And... by Random2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But that's my point, why were they linked? Albeit more expensive, why not have a private server for just those databases, not connected to the internet? It seems like we need to worry about making our security better first so we don't have these problems. After all, removing the connection's the best way to stop someone hacking your computer.

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    3. Re:And... by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I once read an article about a "right" way to secure data. Even the authors admitted it wasn't foolproof but there point was, it was a lot more secure than what most people are using.

      Every externally-facing computer was on its own sub-network, mostly isolated from everything else. Web sites, ftp sites, even wireless access points. They didn't have any sensitive data on them though. If they needed data, they requested it from data servers, which were in a very locked-down partition.

      Portions of the "corporate" network that didn't need to see each other were partitioned.

      Internal web servers were in their own partition. They didn't have any sensitive data on them though. If they needed data, they requested it from data servers, which were in a very locked-down partition.

      When data needed to go from one part of the network to another, say, from an external or internal web site to a data server or from an employee data to an internal web site or file server in another department, it went through a very tightly controlled firewall.

      This way, if a web server got compromised, the damage that could be done by "pwning" it was limited. Likewise, if one department's computers got infected, the damage was limited as well.

      Now, this isn't foolproof, but in order to compromise the back-end data servers, someone would have to know specific information about the back end data center and the firewall that protected it. Only some of that information could be gleaned if a public or internal web site or other computer was compromised. An attacker would have to be very lucky, very persistent, or bribe an IT or other high-access employee to get what he wanted.

      Or, if this were Hollywood, the attacker could just gain employment as a janitor, walk up to the door of the server room, kill the guards, blow the door open with some C4 he ordered over teh interwebs, and walk out of the building with the server, never to be seen again. But that's outside the scope of this discussion.

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    4. Re:And... by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 1

      But that's my point, why were they linked?

      Laziness and convenience, probably.

    5. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, I bet that the following happened.

      - This security issue was already known, and was disclosed to management. The problem was not handled properly in the upper channels.
      - Someone was asked by other staff to install a webserver on to the database server, because it was 'easier' or 'someone needs access'.
      - The person administering the server was not really a system administrator, but rather someone who knew enough about technology to get by.
      - A project to improve the security of these systems was denied, or delayed due to cost reasons. Or it was under-prioritized due to other higher-visibility projects.

      UC is undergoing some large budget cuts, and many people have been laid off.

      Nobody cares about security. They only care about security breaches.

  12. Sometimes you need an air gap by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just military-grade information that needs protecting.

    If medical and financial information were warehoused in a way that required a "man in the middle" to approve a request, it might not prevent spear-fishing, and it might not prevent theft of "in use" data, but it would at least prevent wholesale data breaches from information warehouses.

    With a man-in-the-middle, you'd need to bribe or blackmail the man in the middle to allow a larger number of access requests to get through.

    For some systems, a man in the middle is overkill, alarms that trigger when there are more than a typical number of data requests is sufficient. However, automated alarms, like any automated system, can theoretically be compromised.

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    1. Re:Sometimes you need an air gap by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So when you go to the emergency room, how is the hospital supposed to query your electronic medical records at your family doctor when it's behind an air gap?

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    2. Re:Sometimes you need an air gap by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Please, can we not call that "man in the middle"? That's a term to used to describe an attack vector.

      "Gatekeeper" would be a far better term, IMO.

      And for that matter, what you suggest is already used in meatspace... if you want to access public records, typically you need to go through a "custodian of records" or some such... this person helps ensure the validity of requests.

      The problem with requiring a live person to act as a gatekeeper on digitally stored records is that in doing so, we lose a lot of the utility of having the records in a db in the first place.

      The only other thing I'd like to note -- we have automated gatekeepers on data already (user validation, etc). These are circumventable (as evidenced by TFA, for example). People acting as gatekeepers can also be circumvented, both technologically (somehow spoof the approval or records release), or socially. Or they could be DoS'd by a huge number of requests that keeps them from allowing people who truly need access to get it. We'd be adding cost to maintaining the data, and I'm not sure how much benefit we'd get out of it.

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  13. 'computers' hacked .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    How did they manage to not once mention what Operating System these 'computers' run on

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    1. Re:'computers' hacked .. by get+quad · · Score: 1, Troll

      I was modded as flamebait for actually asking this earlier in the discussion. Heaven forbid we actually know details.

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    2. Re:'computers' hacked .. by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about that myself, though it sounds like this was a compromised website issue rather than an OS issue. (So I guess the question is "was this a hole some programmer left in an ASP.NET page, or was it PHP? (or python or perl cgi)"...)

    3. Re:'computers' hacked .. by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      This was the University of California at Berkeley. The only OS they are permitted to run is the one they developed in-house: BSD, of course.

      They were running BSD, weren't they? Why the hell would they want to run anything else if they had concerns about security?

    4. Re:'computers' hacked .. by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      Because sometimes they want to run prepackaged software on an operating system which is supported by the vendor?

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  14. Break-in free zone signs by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

    The folks at Berkeley need to put up some "this room is a break-in free zone" signs so there are no more break-ins.

    1. Re:Break-in free zone signs by Random2 · · Score: 1

      Only if it's posted on a broken glass window.

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  15. Why is this news? by mc1138 · · Score: 1

    I mean, yeah its good that someone is reporting, but this sort of thing seems to be run of the mill these days. This sort of occurrence is happening more not less, to the point that security admins need to start taking this type of threat more seriously.

  16. Who could benefit from this medical info? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Smart money says that over the next five years, a whole lot of these people will be mysteriously refused insurance coverage, or be denied payment for "pre-existing conditions" that were never reported to their insurers...

    1. Re:Who could benefit from this medical info? by darkdaedra · · Score: 2, Informative

      I got the e-mail -- I was a student there at the time. It wasn't the medical records that were compromised, just the SHIP (student health insurance plan) waiver application data that was stolen. Those waivers included SSNs. It's more of a credit/identity theft issue than a medical record issue -- unless of course identity thieves were using that information for health insurance applications, which is, I guess, a real possibility.

    2. Re:Who could benefit from this medical info? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      mysteriously refused insurance coverage

      It's unlikely that the insurance companies would act directly, after all, they'd be in really deep shit if they were found to be in possession of this data, and such an act would be too much of a coincidence to write off, especially after the first two or three Berkley students get rejected.

      No, mid-to-large size corporations are the ones that'll use this. They'll be the ones that can afford a few bucks for "candidate screening" and since their employment decisions are secret, the people with pre-existing conditions would just be told that they're not a good match for the company. After all, hiring someone with cancer would drive up the insurance costs for everyone at the office, and that means more money not just out of the company's pocket, but likely out of the manager's pocket as well (on the easy assumption that the company doesn't pay 100% of the policy cost).

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    3. Re:Who could benefit from this medical info? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if possession of this stolen data by insurers or potential employers could be considered "receiving stolen goods"?

    4. Re:Who could benefit from this medical info? by maxume · · Score: 1

      God forbid the insurance companies serve their other customers.

      If you want universal health care, say so. Complaining that insurance companies/em> try to make a profit is tiresome.

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  17. 160,000 students records compromised by viralMeme · · Score: 1

    'Hackers have reportedly infiltrated restricted computer databases at the University of California Berkeley, putting the private data of 160,000 students, alumni, and others at risk'

    1. Re:160,000 students records compromised by mc1138 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for copying the title of the article. Did you read what I wrote? Or just the title? I'm not saying the news shouldn't report it, but this isn't anything new, and we'll continue to see more new articles like this till systems and security admins start taking a more serious approach to protecting their infrastructures.

  18. When will it be illegal to store/lose this data? by odin84gk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will there be a law that will either 1.) Fine a company for every social security number that is published/hacked/stolen (to the point that they either spend the money on security OR they STOP storing social security numbers/cc numbers), or 2.) make it illegal to store a social security number/credit card number? Lets say you are a university trying to give a student loan to a prospect. Sure, you need to run a credit inquiry and identity verification, but after that you give them a student ID to replace their SSN. Stop storing this information unless you are able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are able to secure this information.

  19. how is this interesting ? by viralMeme · · Score: 1

    "It would seem to me that this would be an argument for a national EMR database"

    I totally agree .. and who scored that nonsense up 'interesting'?

    "This is why a national requirement for EMR systems isn't a good idea right now. The staffers that have to take care of this (in light of recent events in Virginia) are getting hung out to dry either because they don't have the training, or the budget, or both to pull this of safely"

    Look, all it takes is to implement systems that are as secure as possible and some kind of irrevocable auditing capacity, as in you notice the hacking attempt, before it succeeds ...

    1. Re:how is this interesting ? by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The most dangerous opening to a statement involving security is "All it takes..." I've had to manage an EMR system. I've had to deal with the security aspect. I also had to do it fresh out of college.

      And if you think that having one target for all this information makes it more secure? I have to totally disagree. I've worked with plenty of folks who have ties or worked for the government. They're exactly who I'm talking about when I say "lack of training, or budget, or both." You could audit everything you want, but if you don't know what to look for, or you're not watching the audit logs, it doesn't matter what you've got in place. I've taken a look at logs of an intrusion, and I've seen at least one case where the success happened because the attacker was already armed with data. First attempt succeeded cause they had a valid username/password... Someone else's.

      You can't foolproof a public facing system... You can't geniusproof it either. There will be a compromise, it's just a matter of how small you can make it.

  20. privacy? what privacy? by bugi · · Score: 5, Funny

    So? It's not like there's any expectation of privacy. If the govt isn't expected to respect anyone's privacy, then surely one can't expect it of criminals.

    I wish that were funny.

    1. Re:privacy? what privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish that were funny.

      I wish it were too. Try harder next time.

    2. Re:privacy? what privacy? by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

      If the govt isn't expected to respect anyone's privacy, then surely one can't expect it of criminals.

      Well, now you're just being redundant :P.

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  21. for those of you who don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Berkeley has these old "Nuclear Weapons Free Zone" signs all over.

    1. Re:for those of you who don't get it... by yali · · Score: 1

      If you detonate a nuclear bomb in Berkeley, you could be fined up to $500 and go to jail for thirty whole days.

      No, I am not kidding.

    2. Re:for those of you who don't get it... by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe it's just "nuclear free zone", reflecting a ban on both nuclear weapons and nuclear power.

      I heard a chemistry professor suggest that this means that the atoms there weren't allowed to have nuclei. My theory is that everyone who lives there is a prokaryote.

      Actually, the nuclear free zone goes great with those "Drug Free Zone" signs you sometimes see. No joking, there's actually one on Telegraph Avenue. Of course, the standard interpretation is "Free Drug Zone". Perhaps the maintenance guys were just high. Thank you, I'll be here all week...

    3. Re:for those of you who don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in Berkeley, lived there for 21 years. Its a 'feel good' law. In reality, if it were a true Nuclear free zone, Lawrence hall of science would not be allowed, 880 would be routed past it (since trucks carrying Nuclear material travel down 880) and there would be no Smoke detectors, anywhere in the city limits. If we go further, fires could not burn, and any material/substance that decays naturally (ie has a half-life) would not be allowed, and Sunlight, which is produced by Nuclear and Fission power would not be allowed to shine.Yes, thats EVERYTHING.
      Berkeley would become a Negative Black hole, repulsing any material or energy, course to produce something like a Negative black hole, you would need a long lasting power supply.

      Its a dumb law. But makes for excellent signs on my walls.

  22. H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The University of California at Berkeley is also a heavy user of H-1b visas. The last 8 year, UC Berkeley has applied for 977 H-1b Visas. It isn't clear how many of these related to their computer staff-but traditionally about half of all H-1b visas are used for that purpose. It is simply not credible to bring numerous foreign workers from places where you can't even reliably do a background check(people are regularly declared dead in India and simply can't sort it out) and expect to maintain any semblance of security.

    The management of UC Berkeley should be investigated for criminal negligence.

    1. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look at this fucking idiot, making a connection where none exists.

    2. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by feranick · · Score: 1

      What an idiotic comment: Assuming that all H1b visa holders are fraudulent criminals. Americans, instead are all angels. Yeah, right. Come on, on the opposite of you, I actually work at UC Berkeley (and I am a US citizen). Most of the H1b are granted to researcher who are valued as an asset for the university. If the US education system would be better than what it is, you would see a much lower number of H1b visas at UC Berkeley.

    3. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by PGOER · · Score: 1

      Yes more Visa's can be a problem ... I am such and idoit! I though you were talking about Visa Credit Cards. Seriously, I'm from Canada and I had no idea what a H1b visa is. Americans have a similar situation to Canadians, we live in a good country, where we grant visas many foriegn workers and students. The best and brightest leave for greener pastures. The Brain Drain as it's called is more a problem for the countries over seas, as the loss of those people has a larger effect to thier native economy. It's a shame that our people don't want higher educations to work in a high-tech field. Many of the people who I know that didn't attend college work in the Oil Patch, choosing short term returns over education. Of course now that oil is at $55/ barrel their not working anymore.

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    4. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's understandable that H-1B workers are suspected. Every H-1B hired is one less US job, and they are hired far cheaper than Americans. They have zero loyalty to the US or American organizations, other than moving money in the US offshore. Give them a key or password, its assured that they will be making a copy of it and sending it to their home country's intelligence division, or an offshore criminal organization.

      You don't put foreign nationals, who will be untouchable in any courts of law as soon as they leave or are deported, in charge of any security systems. Their interests are far more in selling that information to organizations in their country of origin rather than protecting it.

    5. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      Do you really want to say there is no connection between recruiting technical workers upon whom no effective background check can be done and security breaches?

      I think the question should at least be examined closely. Enron BTW made some rather strange investments in India-and was an H-1b intensive shop.

      Noone has done a comprehensive analysis here-in part because the companies that bought H-1b legislation have specifically made reporting standards inadequate for such an analysis.

      I don't think most H-1b workers are involved in fraud-but if the H-1b program only allows a few terrorists or criminal organizations to put a few people in place that way-that is enough to cause big problems.

      I don't think anyone upon whom a good background check can't be done should be allowed anywhere near sensitive data or critical infrastructure. Workers from Japan, Singapore, the EU can be given real background checks. Workers from more corrupt countries simply cannot.

    6. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      First off, I NEVER said all H-1b workers are criminals. I said it is impossible to do a background check on workers from India-or other similarly corrupt countries.

      Every US worker could be replaced by workers from India or China at less than 25% of current costs. Does that mean they should be?

      We will never see more US workers going into technical professions as long as those occupations are provided immigration preferences at no cost to the employers-and there thus will be little incentive to improve the US educational system or invest in advanced education for Americans.

    7. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the site that you linked to, UC Berkeley applied for 995 H1B visas from 2001 to 2009. Those 995 application fall into the following categories.

      Life Science: 1
      Education: 993
      Others: 1

      In case that wasn't clear enough:

      IT: 0

    8. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by broen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you serious? They're not trying to save a few bucks on the support staff -- that's what students are for. They have a large number of international employees because they hire researchers, lecturers, and professors from overseas to promote the exchange of ideas across cultures. Since that is, you know, the entire point of a university.

      It is you that should be investigated for criminal dipshittery.

    9. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      "It's a shame that our people don't want higher educations to work in a high-tech field. Many of the people who I know that didn't attend college work in the Oil Patch, choosing short term returns over education."

      If you are starting out in India or Pakistan, there is a huge incentive to get Canadian or US citizenship. If someone already had citizenship rights, the additional payoff from getting a technical education is minimal. The way Singapore handles this:
      a company can get all the foreign workers they want-quickly, but they will pay 2-3 times as much in taxes as the wages they pay those workers. I also don't think Singapore would let foreigners manager critical infrastructure without very careful consideration.

    10. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by Baldrson · · Score: 1
      I wonder to what extent misinterpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has contributed to the reduction of national security. It is one thing to extend nondiscrimination laws to protect descendants of slaves and quite another to extend those laws to all foreigners applying for US jobs. But muddled thinking here seems to have become de rigeur for those receiving government funding -- so much so that it seems to be considered "discrimination" to apply serious background checks.

      It is certainly true that applying equally rigorous background checks to all applicants would have disparate impact on foreigners.

    11. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by PGOER · · Score: 1

      If your country doesn't have the right people for the Job you have to hire people from other countries. One of the problems is that US and Canadian workers get paid too much for menial work. I'm an engineer and I get paid well for what I do, but many workers at GM plants in the US make more an hour than I do. Some of that is due to the exchange rate, but the cost of living in most US states is less than here.

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    12. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by feranick · · Score: 1

      First off, I NEVER said all H-1b workers are criminals. I said it is impossible to do a background check on workers from India-or other similarly corrupt countries.

      No. What you said is:

      The management of UC Berkeley should be investigated for criminal negligence.

      Now tell me this: why UC Berkeley should be held responsible for something EVENTUALLY the federal government should have done? Or better: should UC Berkeley completely give up in immigrants and rely on subpar American educated professional? Or again: Should UC Berkeley have better security to monitor everybody (Americans and not) within itself to prevent this to happen? Or is it just easier to blame the "undocumented foreigners" (here in the sense of people without background checks...)

    13. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      I think if you look, the economic protections for unskilled workers are considerably greater in Japan, Singapore, South Korea-and those are all highly competitive economies without a trade deficit or massive government borrowing-and they don't have the huge resource base the US has.

      The folks in the US that are most highly paid relative to world standards and US median income are corporate executives, some folks in protected professions(Japan has a tiny fraction of the attorneys the US has) and some occupations like entertainers. The very wealthy in the US are enormously coddled by international standards relative to the economic base in the US. US doctors make quite a bit more than French doctors-and the US arguably has worse health care.

    14. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      The area in which there was potential negligence was allowing any workers on which a good background check cannot be done to manage data that is highly confidential. There is a contradiction between US Hippa regulations on the management of confidential information and US regulations that tend to discourage background checks. I think this sort of thing happened much less regularly when background checks were more a fact of life in the US for any management of sensitive data in government institutions(that has been greatly curtailed in recent years).

      I have reservations about the US relying heavily on foreigners for occupations requiring graduate training in general-I think we should instead pay CEO's less, have fewer attorney and accountants and make positions that require substantial training more viable for Americans. I wouldn't object to a smaller better managed program similar to Singapore does-I just don't think the current mass system is desirable or sustainable.

      Anyhow, I see no evidence that US professionals have historically been subpar. The expansion of H-1b has not be accompanied by massive increase in US wages or even shareholder equity. I don't see that the US is more a technical leader than it was pre-H-1b.

    15. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find those categorizations are not entirely accurate if they were examined carefully. H-1b visas by research and educational institutions are exempt from the cap-and I think there is a tendency to classify visas as "educational" for those purposes.

    16. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by randall_burns · · Score: 1

      UC Berkeley is a public institution with obligations to support the public interest. The real question here is how the people of California really benefit by having an institution that is more international vs. one that isn't.

      I agree there are cases in which it is warranted to award visas. Usually it is being done simply because it seems cheaper to University to hire a foreigner to develop local talent. On the whole, Ph.D level jobs pay pretty poorly in the US because there is a huge pool of foreign Ph.D. folks that want to get into the US(which gets 10 Million applications for immigration rights each year).

      When possible, I do think it is often better for US students to have instructors that come from a similar cultural background-particularly for earlier courses where communication skills are important. I understand the need to learn to deal with other cultures-but I think that is best done when folks have a solid base. I also understand that sometimes literally the only people that know something are foreigners--and when that is the case, I think visas are warranted _for purposes of developing local talent.

      The problem is the US is no longer developing local talent because the US has made all but a few professions requiring advanced training rather unattractive to Americans.

    17. Re:H-1b Visa Use at UC Berkeley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold on. You provide a link to actual data to support your claim, but then you assert that the data is incorrect if it doesn't work in your favor anymore?

      Do you have any proof or support for your claim?

      If you don't mind my asking: did you, or a close relative or friend, lose your job to a foreigner because that was cheaper for the company? I don't mean to get personal, but it would be interesting to know if such an event has shaped your opinion.

  23. copy of the e-mail that was sent out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Colleagues,
    We want to let you know that today the campus is sending notification letters and emails to members of our community to inform them of a computer breach that resulted in the theft of personal information from databases in our University Health Services, UHS, area.

    The victims of this crime are current and former students, as well as their parents and spouses if linked to insurance coverage, who had UHS health care coverage or received services. We are also sending notification letters to Mills College students who received, or were eligible to receive, healthcare on the UC Berkeley campus.

    We sincerely regret and apologize for any difficulty this theft may create for individuals who may have had their personal information exposed. We have alerted campus police detectives and the FBI, and are doing all that we can to investigate this crime. All of the exposed databases were immediately removed from service to make sure that they would be completely protected from any future attacks.

    Those individuals directly affected by the theft will receive letters with detailed information on steps that they can take to protect their credit and identity. We have launched a dedicated web site, http://datatheft.berkeley.edu that contains detailed information for affected individuals, the media and the general public. In addition a Data Theft Hotline, 888-729-3301 will be operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to answer questions from affected individuals.

    UC Berkeley computer administrators determined on April 21 that electronic databases in UHS had been breached and data stolen by overseas criminals. The databases stored personally identifiable information used for billing such as Social Security numbers, and non-treatment medical information such as immunization history, UHS medical record numbers, dates of visits or names of providers seen, or for participants in the Education Abroad Program, certain information from the self-reported health history.

    Please be assured that UHS electronic medical records, which include details of patients diagnoses~, treatments and therapies, are stored in a separate system and were not affected in this incident.

    To ensure that we fully understand the nature of the security breach and to determine the steps that we can take to minimize the risk of a reoccurrence, the university has hired an outside auditor, Price Waterhouse Coopers, to support our ongoing investigation of the incident. The campus is committed to implementing recommendations that address the root causes of this security breach.

    Steve Lustig
    Associate Vice Chancellor
    Health and Human Services

    Shelton Waggener
    Associate Vice Chancellor & CIO
    Information Services & Technology

    1. Re:copy of the e-mail that was sent out by geekspeak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My SSN was in the 160k :-/ Just spent the last 30mins signing on to Experian to put a fraud alert on my account. Anyone understand whether this is good or not? Should I do something else? Also, I see that a freeze will cost $10. Berkeley isn't shelling out for this. It sucks, this is not my fault, some idiots left some ports open and now it's my problem and I don't see much of a concerted response from Berkeley to drive the protection from their end, they do have a website and telephone hotline but I have to do all the running around... wonderful. SSN's suck...

    2. Re:copy of the e-mail that was sent out by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Start looking for a class action suit now. It's gross negligence to store this information on an internet-connected machine, which is indeed what happened here. (Split the database and front end, fools. At least that raises the bar slightly.)

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  24. Maybe they aren't. Re:Sometimes you nee by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's current, like allergies, summaries of chronic conditions that affect emergency and urgent health-care conditions, current prescription drugs you are taking, the names and pager numbers of your current doctors, and a current certification that you have current medical insurance that covers emergency and urgent care will probably be considered "current" and not "warehoused." These will be available 24/7, to both care-givers and to criminals who manage to compromise the system the data is stored in.

    However, the details of your bout with the flu 2 years ago or your recovery from your car accident 10 years ago won't be available without human assistance. Neither will the details of your insurance coverage.

    There is a balance that needs to be struck between "what could reasonably be so important it can't wait until normal business hours to access" and everything else. Only the former would be retrievable 24/7 without waiting for a person.

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  25. They did NOT steal medical records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social security numbers were stolen, and some data about which doctors had been referred. However, it specifically says that medical records were stored on a different system, which was not compromised.

  26. going on at other universities too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the past several years, the management of university IT departments throughout the country have been more concerned with ITLP than they have been about providing reliable AND secure service.

    The engineers who dare to point out that the emperor has no clothes are outshouted at once, and their names recorded for the next round of layoffs.

    I am personally familiar with a HUGE security vulnerability involving SSNs at a very large and well-known university. The problem has existed for years, but management takes the approach of "we haven't had a breach, therefore we are secure" then pats itself on the back and gives itself a raise.

  27. Soooo what were they running.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows or a BSD flavor?

  28. Wanna know the basic problem here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/05/08_breach.shtml :

    "The attackers accessed a public Web site and subsequently bypassed additional secured databases stored on the same server."

    What idiot stores a database with sensitive info on a public webserver?????

  29. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2.) make it illegal to store a social security number/credit card number?

    That's not the heart of the problem. There is nothing magical about a SSN beyond being a useful unique identifier to distinguish John Doe from John Doe.

    The problem is that SSNs get used for both identification AND authentication!

    >Hi, I want a credit card
    -Name please?
    >John Doe from NYC, NY
    -Um, which John Doe? Is there some piece of information that uniquely identifies you?
    >John Doe, SSN 123-45-6789
    -We need to verify that you are actually this person. Is there some private information that you would never tell anyone and only you know?
    >Well, my SSN is 123-45-6789
    -Very good. Since obviously that's such a complicated and secret 9-digit number, you must obviously be who you say you are. Here's your new credit card.

    y solution: The Social Security Administration announces that on July 1st, 2010, all SSNs and the names they are associated with will be published and available to everyone. Leave it up to the finance and health care industries to stop using SSNs as authentication.

  30. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by plover · · Score: 1

    Stop storing this information unless you are able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are able to secure this information.

    Unfortunately, there is (and can be) no such proof. It's a part of the fundamentals of security: you can't prove a negative.

    The way I see it, we really have three choices for protecting data:

    • Armor your systems against all the possible known attacks. Use firewalls, intrusion detection systems, encrypt the data, require smart card access mechanisms, patch your servers, blah, blah, blah.
    • Reduce or remove the sensitive data entirely. You do not have to protect it if you do not have it.
    • Take away the value of the data. If the data is no longer valuable, there will be no incentive to steal it.

    The problem with the first approach is that's what we're all "supposed" to be doing, but obviously are not. With millions of sites and retailers etc., there are always going to be leaks.

    The second solution is the easiest and best way to protect your organization. Why store the data if you don't need it? Do they really need my SSN in their database? They could use their own numbering system. Why do they need my address? If I'm in a hospital, I'm not at home, I'm in the bed in room 217C -- if they want to find me, I'm right there. Do they even need my name? Why do they need all these different identifiers, and why do they need to tie them all together in a common database?

    The third option requires a fundamental change in how credit is granted, but is the one of the best approaches to stem the tide of data thefts across the board. While it would remove incentive to steal the data for financial reasons, it would do little to protect against data theft for other reasons (perhaps a list of HIV-positive patients could be used for extortion: pay me a million dollars or I post it on the web.)

    These approaches are not mutually exclusive. We can employ them all at the same time. It's just that it has to be done, and without tools like lawsuits or other punishments, few organizations are doing them.

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    John
  31. 160k? by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 1

    thankfully my full medical record is only 96k, so it's safe.

  32. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by mlts · · Score: 1

    A fourth would be separation of data onto different databases on different servers. If social security numbers are not needed, have those stored in a smaller armored database that doesn't connect to the Web. Instead, use another number.

    This way, if an application needs information, it can grab what it needs, but no more.

  33. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by plover · · Score: 1

    [M]y solution: The Social Security Administration announces that on July 1st, 2010, all SSNs and the names they are associated with will be published and available to everyone. Leave it up to the finance and health care industries to stop using SSNs as authentication.

    I love this solution! The Social Security Administration always said the number was not to be used for identification. This would prove they meant it.

    Credit suffers from the same problem, by the way. We use the account number as the account to charge as well as the authorization to charge. If we used a different value for authorizing (such as one generated on a smart credit card) there would be no need to protect account numbers, other than simple privacy.

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    John
  34. System administrators usually don't care about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everytime I connect to a corporate server, I discover unpatched software or expired self-signed certificates, md5 in place where sha1 could be used and many other flaws. No wonder there are breaches and information leaks as well as new hacked servers every day. Almost nobody cares about security and Conficker proves that by automatically infecting millions.

  35. First post from UC BERZERKELEY STUDENT! by simaolation · · Score: 1

    And I have the SSNs to prove it!

  36. it's Cal for peeks sake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Berkeley? Home of "information wants to be free" (as in beer).
    .
    No news here. I thought that is the norm there!

  37. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

    Some states like California do punish companies who have a security breach involving Credit Card numbers and SSNs.

    2.) make it illegal to store a social security number/credit card number?

    If credit card numbers are hosted by your company, the company is probably subject to the rules established by the PCI Security Standards Council (See https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/ ). If your business does not comply, the Payment Card Industry will now allow you to process financial transactions, or they will limit the amount of money your business can handle. These rules apply to any systems which touch the Credit Card numbers, even if the numbers are not permanently hosted on the systems.

    The problem with implementing PCI DSS rules is mostly institutional, political and financial. It takes time, effort, equipment and money to bring a non-compliant business into compliance, and staff and management will often object to some of the rules ("But I need root access on the database server. It makes my life easier."), or they don't understand different aspects of security ("We have a firewall. That means we're protected, right?") In addition, many of the PCI rules are purposely vague to apply to a wide range of systems. They are subject to interpretation. You may believe one thing, but your PCI auditor may disagree, and a second PCI auditor may believe something else entirely.

    I believe there are similar rules for Social Security Numbers.

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  38. Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come to Canada where by law the only two entities require your Social Security Number - The government and your employer. That is it. Many provinces strictly forbid any one other than the government and employer from asking for or using your SSN.

    I did a project with a medical insurance benefits system where we had to scrub the database of all SSN. We just had to send the taxable benefits papers to the client and they had to submit them to the government. The insurance company was not allowed any access by provincial law to have or use the SSN in any way.

    As I understand it in the US any finical transaction can require collection of your Social Insurance Number. I once heard that technically, which is the best kind of right, a 7-11 employee could demand your SIN when you buy your Slurpee.

  39. Better Off Stolen? by mindbrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have we arrived at a point where the average person is better off having had their identity stolen? With so much identity theft having taken place and, perhaps, a great deal of stolen identities unreported, wouldn't one be better served having had their identity stolen. Being able to establish that one's identity has been stolen may be the most expeditious defense against actions brought resulting from stolen identity. There's security in numbers, unless of course those numbers are stored on a computer.

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  40. why not get rid of em by Evets · · Score: 1

    how long will it be before we can stop relying on something as easy to get as a social security number as a unique identifier?

  41. The people that matter already had access... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont give a damn if some random criminals have access to my medical records. The organized criminals at blue cross, aetna, and other medical insurance companies already have full access, and deny me all coverage based on my crohns disease while people with obesity related diabetes,hypertension, and asthma still get covered.

    Until laws are passed forbidding insurance companies from ducking rather than sharing risk I just dont give a damn who has my medical records, because they can't hurt me any more than the insurance companies, who already have access, can.

  42. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

    It already is. California has a law (SB 1386) that has been in effect since 2003 concerning the responsibility of companies and government agencies to keep their databases secure and to publicly report any breach of confidential personal information within 30 days of the incident.

    Full text of the bill is here: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/01-02/bill/sen/sb_1351-1400/sb_1386_bill_20020926_chaptered.html

    There are no fines imposed, but the public humiliation of having to admit that they lost data can cost a company plenty. And the company is held responsible for making sure that the people whose information was lost/stolen/compromised are fully compensated for any money they lost as a result of the breach. And they have to alert all the credit reporting agencies that everyone in the database whose information was compromised gets a Free Credit Report and can freeze their own credit report from all public access for any length of time until they choose to lift the freeze.

    That by itself is a pretty serious penalty. If you want to impose a fine for every SSN compromised, every company that has any kind of a breach is going to go bankrupt. As if we don't have enough companies going bankrupt just as a consequence of the lousy economy, let alone due to a security breach.

  43. It's not at risk by jaypifer · · Score: 1

    Hackers have reportedly infiltrated restricted computer databases at the University of California Berkeley, putting the private data of 160,000 students, alumni, and others at risk.

    It was at risk before before it was infiltrated. Now the loss has been guaranteed.

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  44. Insurance companies can already do this. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    The federal government has already granted insurance companies carte blanch to your medical records. The fact this is sanctioned by the government is corrupt and despicable, nonetheless no criminal element can harm you more than these insurance companies can, so this "theft" is a non-event.

    Meanwhile, i'll continue to be denied all coverage because of crohns disease, which is not related to lifestyle, while people with obesity related diabetes and hypertension continue to readily receive it.

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  45. Re:Auditing Logs AGREED 110%, take a read... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Administration doesn't care about hackers until it is too late" - by Archangel Michael (180766) on Tuesday May 12, @01:22PM (#27924375)

    Damn straight, & it cost me a job once in 2006: I was hired by a company called POMCO in Syracuse N.Y. to help secure their codebases done in VB6 (some of which we transitioned over to VB.NET because of its capacities for server-side apps mostly & built-in garbage cleanup) to scramble out SS#'s & such... I completed 3-4 apps in 7 months there... but?

    Later, I discovered they were NOT securing down the "end points" (workstations, printers, etc. et al) fully, per this type of procedure outlined in this guide, to supplement work I & the others devs had done to the apps AND webservers + DB engines (SQLServer):

    ----

    HOW TO SECURE Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 & even VISTA, + make it 'fun-to-do', via CIS Tool Guidance (& beyond):

    http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=2ccbde62be4c73b6d069d86d5cf90200&showtopic=2662

    ----

    I suggested that to be done, FIRST, on a "prototype" system!

    (To be sure ALL of our apps would work using it (they did, @ least all the ones I worked on, because I eventually did my workstation that way @ their shop & ALL still worked), then "mass deploy" the settings using AD Group Policies &/or logon scripts (merging .reg files etc. et al)).

    So, upon discovering this?

    I went to the CIO first, privately, telling him:

    "This needs doing as well as securing down code & DB's! IF you don't? It WILL eventually get you "keylogged" most likely due to user error in unawareness of the dangers present online. Educate them all about it, in a meeting @ some point is the way to go! Simply, because all the security in the world won't help once the user's passwords are 'sniffed' out upon logon (to their workstations &/or DB backends through the front ends we devs built for they)".

    I also used users to consult on the design of apps we built or rebuilt for they, which proved a TOTALLY "new wrinkle" for them, because the main user of one of the apps was in our morning meeting we had once a week and actually THANKED ME for it!

    (The sad part? The others developers, not all, but the main one? Literally called them "STUPID", & I was like "You're the stupid one: Those people, first of all, know THEIR JOBS far better than we do, & THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE & USE... plus? They're the reason WE HAVE A JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE!". This was a 6 yr. developer leading that shop, & it showed, especially w/ THAT attitude towards his users - his work was also quite shoddy, lacking error traps & wasn't 'automated' enough... so much so, that I had to run one of his 'apps' daily, costing me 30 hrs. a month in MY TIME as a junior dev. there (though I had 15 yrs. under my belt as a pro in this field, with VB/C/C++/Fortran/COBOL/Assembler & more under my belt by that time, I was still the "new kid on the block" learning their data schema, which was NOT puny (insurance company data never is))).

    What happened in the end? Well, I found a virus on my system, after asking "Are you monitoring me with somekind of application", they said "NO", so I showed it to them... turns up, it was a virus (keylogger) & I wasn't the ONLY person who had it...

    I later found out the CIO (stupid MSCE type, no real years to decades of hands on experience in this field either, probably a relative of the owner or buddy of a higher up in that company is my guess) had setup TREND MICRO's antivirus ALL WRONG... 7 months out of date is what the signatures were... it was USELESS at that point against current threats.

    They swiftly went to AVG free edition, & knowing the CIO there? He probably didn't license it legally...

    (Which, I am sure, that AVG would like to "get wind

  46. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by pclminion · · Score: 1

    It is already illegal, because this was medical data. For allowing this data to escape, UCB is subject to civil monetary penalties under HIPAA. These penalties go at $100 per violation, which means they'd theoretically owe $16,000,000. Unfortunately, the penalty is capped at $25,000 per year, so it's going to be a drop in the bucket.

    Now, if the data was compromised knowingly by an employee of the University, then that employee as well as the university would be subject to criminal fines of up to $250,000 and up to ten years prison time. But that's probably not the case here.

  47. Probably not overseas criminals... by jessecurry · · Score: 1

    It was probably students on campus using Tor.

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  48. *Waves Hand* by furbearntrout · · Score: 1

    I thought it meant BSD software distribution.

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  49. Why is this still an issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me or should we just accept that SSN is no longer sufficient for identifying an individual? Why are we spending millions (billions?) of dollars to secure a name and number?

    My identity has been stolen three times and it's never been more an a minor inconvenience. - "No, I didn't rent-to-own that new refrigerator." Why are the companies that issue credit still accepting this a the only required form of identification. It's lazy.

  50. At risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how it is mentioned that the break in put the records at risk. If someone managed to break in weren't the records at risk already before the break in?

  51. Obama's Medical Record Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and we want to make more of our info available online??

  52. No-ones checking logs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, on (what should be) secure systems that contain SSNs, they do not check the logs for *5 months*, do not have any sort of intrusion detection system looking for odd activities, like, you know, your database being sent off your network? Bloody hell.

  53. Re:When will it be illegal to store/lose this data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that *is* probably the case here. I work as a systems administrator in a small department at UC Berkeley. The university has been quite clear in communicating to employees the meaning of California law (SB 1386). Specifically, all departments and institutions on campus received repeated notices and instruction on purging any non-encrypted personal identification data (SSNs, credit card numbers) from campus computers.

    Heads really should roll on this one, at both staff and managerial levels. The compromise happened with full knowledge of the requirements under the law.

  54. I modded you down again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seemed pretty rhetorical to me. would you care to question my judgment some more?

  55. blame the users .. :) by viralMeme · · Score: 1

    "You can't foolproof a public facing system..."