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Is Linux's "Overall Market Share" Statistic Meaningful?

ruphus13 writes "Linux recently achieved 1% market share of the overall operating system market. But, does that statistic really mean anything useful? This article makes the case that it doesn't. It states, 'Framed in the "overall market share" terminology, the information (or how it was gathered and calculated) isn't necessarily questionable, it's more that it's meaningless. It's nebulous, even when one looks at several months worth of data. [How] Linux is used in various business settings answers an actual question — and the answer can be used to ask further questions, form opinions — and maybe one day even explain to some degree what 1% of the market share really means. ... Operating systems aren't immortal beings, and by rights, there can't be (there shouldn't be) only one. ... No one system can be everything to everyone, and no one system (however powerful, or stable) can do everything perfectly that just one person might require of it in the course of a day. While observing trends and measuring market share are important, the results (good or bad) shouldn't be any platform's measure of self-worth or validation. It's a data point to build on (we're weak in this area, strong in this area, our platform is being used a lot more this quarter, where did all of our users go?) in order to improve and stay relevant.'"

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  1. Ridiculous. by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

    Operating systems aren't immortal beings, and by rights, there can't be (there shouldn't be) only one.

    What? This directly contradicts the widely-known fact that Linux is The Highlander of operating systems.

    1. Re:Ridiculous. by wisty · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Linux is The Highlander, then is Windows The Borg?

      Does that mean that OSX are vampires? And what is Solaris?

    2. Re:Ridiculous. by Jurily · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does that mean that OSX are vampires? And what is Solaris?

      The dodo bird.

    3. Re:Ridiculous. by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Funny
      If Linux is The Highlander, then is Windows The Borg?

      No, they're not The Borg, they're Vogons. Much, much worse.

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    4. Re:Ridiculous. by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, they're not The Borg, they're Vogons. Much, much worse.

      Now there's a meme that deserves to be propagated!

      Vogon software: superficially slick and professional, but beneath the surface riddled with officiousness and petty self interest, and breathtaking contempt for the general public.

      That sounds about right to me.

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    5. Re:Ridiculous. by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps you should read more than the first few chapters of HHGTTG. You've apparently not read the rest of the book, the other 2 books or heard anything about the movie or the radio show.

      Marvin went straight into production.

      Vogons don't lie, they are vicious and callous, and most important everything about them is ugly. They wouldn't make anythink 'slick'

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    6. Re:Ridiculous. by cyphercell · · Score: 2, Funny

      So now that we have professional input, who's going to redo the joke?

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  2. of course it means something numbnuts by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it's 1% of how they were measuring it. what you really want to know is how meaningful are the metrics used to produce that 1%.

    slashdot, missing the point as usual....

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    1. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by PleaseFearMe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's like playing WOW and someone comes up to you and tells you the level of your character, the strength of its spells, don't matter. And all this time these were the things you were aiming for. A lot of people, me included, want to see Linux have 100% market share. What the summary seems to be trying to say is to not treat market share as the main goal. It is going one step beyond what timmarhy is saying. The article does not say that it is the number 1% that is faulty. Instead, it is the desire to know the market share that is misguided.

    2. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, that's not terribly important, so long as the methodology isn't downright absurd. What's more important is market share of what market. Of servers, it's going to be much higher than 1%, but that's not a very interesting market to most people.

      Of the business market, that's a bit more interesting. Still, more of a factoid type number than something useful.

      The truly interesting number for most people is the consumer or home user market. That tells you what people are running when given a choice. Even if someone bought a Mac or Windows PC without knowing Linux existed, they can choose to install it at any time. Of this market, I suspect the number is actually less than 1%.

    3. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I haven't seen surveys or stats that focused on business vs. home use.

      I think the proportion can be important, for instance, it can tell vendors how much time and money they can justify spending to satisfy the wants of a vocal group.

      The fact that Linux can be installed after purchase is kind of a red herring, because the proportion of people that browse the web using a Linux system hasn't been shown to be much larger than 1% of all browsers. I think to claim that the user base is a lot larger than that, you'd have to say that either Linux users as a group are predisposed to avoiding http, or that they don't visit the top several hundred most popular web sites, which those stats are based on, and that's encroaching into a special pleading argument.

    4. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by wisty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What matters are the network affects. The Linux ecosystem (including the pantheon of open source projects) relies on contributions from the 1% of people who are able to fix bugs and add features.

      Geeks used to try Linux for geek points. Now geeks use Linux because it's better in most ways for what they use it for. That's the battle that Linux has won.

      Yes, I've heard about .net ... it's a factor, but if it really flies mono will catch up.

    5. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by AceofSpades19 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wouldn't want linux to have a 100% market share, just a big enough market share that it is supported on hardware as much as windows is

    6. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Ghworg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Absolutely. I want to be able to walk into a store, buy some random piece of hardware and be absolutely sure that it will work under Linux. I don't care how many people use Linux, I just want to make my own personal choice to use it easier.

      The question is, what market share is required to achieve this? I'm betting it's fairly low, I mean, even at 1% we are starting to see some traction. Boxes with Linux pre-installed are available from major manufacturers (albeit in a limited and hidden manner), more and more hardware makers are starting to produce drivers or release specs so the community can (I'm looking at ATI here).

      If we are getting all this at 1%, then surely full-support can't need a huge amount more, I'd guess at 10% we should be good. How long it will take to get there is another question.

    7. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by chris_mahan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a geek. I run Windows XP OEM install on my Aspire One laptop.

      However, I run debian stable for any server stuff.

      And I don't actually do development on the netbook. I remote into the debian machine and there I do work.

      Does that make me a hypocrite? No. I never claimed that Linux should be on all the desktops. I claimed, and continue to, that linux can be a fine desktop for people who know how to set it up well enough. I personally don't want to invest the time to do that.

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    8. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by thsths · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > or that they don't visit the top several hundred most popular web sites

      Did they ever check that these sites are actually Linux accessible? If not, they would hardly register any Linux connections even if the world was being taken over by Linux...

      I am just saying that because some IT sites come to a very different conclusion - maybe Linux users are more selective about their information sources, and avoid the mainstream. Somehow that would make sense :-)

      I think the point of the study is that the market share is still small, probably in the single digits.

    9. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Fred_A · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I claimed, and continue to, that linux can be a fine desktop for people who know how to set it up well enough. I personally don't want to invest the time to do that.

      Most long time users don't want to fiddle with their machines any more. Been there done that... wrote X11 conf files and modelines, compiled kernels that would actually run their hardware (after getting the missing drivers), wrote window manager rc files... now most of the "old timers" I know just want their stuff to work. Hence the popularity of "ready to use" desktop distributions such as Mandrake, ?Ubuntu, SuSE or any of the less vocal ones. Even with experienced people (not to mention the newcomers of course).

      It's really exceptional nowadays that you have to do anything more complicated than add a repository when you need some exotic software. I think I haven't even compiled anything in ages. It just works. And when it doesn't, it's a regular system that's (usually) easy to fix. So I can just do my stuff, process my images, talk to my servers, in a comfortable environment. Works for me at least. To each his own of course.

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    10. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uuuhhh....because home users blow some serious cash? i know plenty of businesses that still have a lot of P3 and early P4 Win2K boxes doing day to day office work.

      FWIW I recently upgraded a business' desktop machine to Ubuntu 9.04. It runs off a K6 and has something like 256 megs of RAM. Works fine.

      hell i knew a business that just a couple of years back finally gave up trying to keep that POS WinNT4 server going.

      I know a few that are still running as data/printing servers.

      For every business that spends the bucks and upgrades on a schedule there are probably a dozen or more who are tight fisted as hell when it comes to spending anything on IT gear.

      In my experience, it's more like "we fix what's broken, what works we keep". Makes sense to me.

      I agree with the rest of your post though. Generic home users are used to the Windows way. If you buy amazingly crappy hardware, it will always come with a driver CD (the kind of drivers that you don't really want on a working machine but that get the gizmo to work).
      OTOH of course I bought a new fancy keyboard (Enermax Caesar) for my Linux box with an internal sound chip. Not only were all the extra keys functional but the USB sound thing worked at once. Not bad IMO, even though no driver is supposed to be required, it shows complete support from the USB and sound subsystems.

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    11. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Narpak · · Score: 2, Informative

      The truly interesting number for most people is the consumer or home user market.

      Actually for me the interesting number is the number of schools and educational institutions that have, or are, implementing Skolelinux or Debian-Edu. Because in a way that means students at a, sometimes, early age starts out using Linux through their education.

      Skolelinux, or other Liunux based educational operating systems, might not be widely adapted in a major way; but there are a growing number of schools in, and a few outside, Europe using it at the moment. I'd say that anyone gaining familiarity with a Linux based system through years of basic and advanced education could, given time, contribute to a far higher marked share for Linux based home operating systems a few years down the line.

    12. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who's been using unix for years i can agree with that... I used to have a lot of time on my hands and enjoyed messing around with the system, tweaking every last thing... Nowadays i have Ubuntu and OSX as my workstation systems... They work out of the box and present very little hassle, but the underlying power and flexibility is there incase i need to do something obscure. I do find OSX's lack of package management extremely limiting tho, apple should port the iphone app store to desktop osx, but make it apt compatible so it's possible and easy to add third party repositories...

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    13. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by grumbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question is, what market share is required to achieve this?

      I doubt that it has much to do with market share, it seems more to be an issue with Linux being pretty much incompatible with how hardware manufacturers like to ship their drivers. Most drivers in the Windows world are not just drivers, they come bundled with a whole bunch of software and stuff that is tied to the specific piece of hardware (i.e. standard Windows Logitech mouse driver is 50MB instead of a few KB). A clean separation between the code that makes your hardware work on all that other additional software doesn't really exit, because the supplied software plays a big part in the marketing and feature lists you find on the box.

      I think to get proper Linux support hardware vendors would first need to learn that their job is to produce hardware, not software. Once thats done they might have less problems with releasing specs, but I somewhat doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon because of Linux. The best thing for Linux hardware support in the end are really the open standards. Any USB HID or storage device works on Linux out of the box, not because the hardware vendor cared about Linux, but because he implemented the spec. The more specs we have for common hardware, the better the Linux support will be.

    14. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by fimbulvetr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've been using Linux on the desktop since '01, and I can for certain that around 2004 or was when I could visit random sites and have them work without any issues. There are two that I know of that "require" a browser/OS combo, but they let you carry on any way - at your own risk. Of course, they work fine. One is HR Block when filing taxes, the other is CitiCard's virtual/temporary CC# generator webapp.

    15. Re:of course it means something numbnuts by cptnapalm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe that portability is a quality. A particularly important one.

  3. Quick response: No by Drinking+Bleach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To the developers, at least, marketshare is absolutely irrelevant to their efforts. With some exceptions, the GNU/Linux systems is largely built to benefit the developers themselves, and if other people find it useful, good for them.

    1. Re:Quick response: No by arminw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...To the developers, at least, marketshare is absolutely irrelevant to their efforts....

      That maybe true to those dedicated souls who give time and effort for free to develop the software, but not for the companies who make the hardware. They have to provide support for their products. Building up an entire support team for such a small share of units sold is disproportionately expensive and will not be done by anyone who wants to make a profit. For all products, with computers no exception, most people look to the manufacturer to address an eventual problem. Ordinary users are not sophisticated enough to determine whether the problem is with the software or with the hardware. They will instinctively call the manufacturer of the computer box and expect help. Giving this help will cost a manufacturer a sizable bundle of money.

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    2. Re:Quick response: No by eln · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it was 1993, I would probably agree with you. However, the focus has been all about building market share for Linux for quite a long time now. Yes, many developers would work on it regardless of market share, but many others are working on it primarily because of its popularity. Personally, I think it's absurd to try and make Linux a Windows killer, but it seems like a large majority of the Linux community wants to make that happen. Sure, articles like these come along every so often when it's become obvious that Linux has once again failed to increase its share of the desktop market, but for the most part the community is still trying to beat Microsoft.

      Linux is strong enough in the server market to allow me to make a living working with it. That's good enough for me. Yes, I use Linux on my own desktop (minus the Windows-clone desktop environments like Gnome and KDE), but I don't give a rip how many other people do. So long as Linux pays my bills, I'm happy. If everyone else wants to stick with Windows, that's fine by me. I still use Windows myself for things that require it, and I don't feel any kind of guilt for doing that.

    3. Re:Quick response: No by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To the developers, at least, marketshare is absolutely irrelevant to their efforts.

      Nobody wants to program a user application for a platform without users. Except as a training excercise, perhaps.

    4. Re:Quick response: No by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's an extremely simplistic argument: 'different priorities than you' is not the same as 'completely screwed up priorities.'

      My favorite distro is Slackware, but it's not easy to use (it IS fun to use). The reason it's unpopular has nothing to do with how similar it is to Windows. In fact, for Linux to take over on the desktop, it CAN'T just copy windows, it has to be better. If you could make it exactly like windows, people would say, "well that's cool, why not get the real thing?" It has to do something better, otherwise it will continue to wallow in unusedness.

      Incidentally, the kernel programmers are relatively responsive to the needs of their users: a lot of their new features are added because people want them. They don't do everything the users want, but they don't ignore them. That was HURD.

      Seriously. The day Linux is just like Windows is the day I boot OpenBSD.

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    5. Re:Quick response: No by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This isn't quite true. I use Linux primarily because it's such an excellent development environment. However, I'd like to see it get a larger market share so that I can reap the benefits of manufacturers producing and testing drivers for hardware, and software developers releasing versions of their programs for Linux. I don't really care about market share for it's own sake, but market share comes with perks!

      I figure Linux would only need around 5% market share to get me most the advantages I want though. Not everyone needs to use it!

    6. Re:Quick response: No by Draek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good thing then that those dedicated souls who give time and effort for free to develop the software aren't requiring manufacturers to build anything themselves, and in fact have been very clear from day one that all they want are open specifications for the hardware. And that only requires a change of mindset, no need to hire new people to cope with extra work.

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    7. Re:Quick response: No by shvytejimas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously. The day Linux is just like Windows is the day I boot OpenBSD.

      As the saying goes - Linux Is for People Who Hate Microsoft, BSD Is for People Who Love UNIX.

    8. Re:Quick response: No by cheftw · · Score: 2, Funny

      But if I had made an awesome distro, or windows manager, or whatever;

      It's been done - http://awesome.naquadah.org/

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    9. Re:Quick response: No by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a developer.

      Market share is EXTREMELY important to me. You are an idiot if as a developer it isn't to you. The only time it doesn't matter to a developer is never.

      Something with 1% market share is not a safe bet to build anything on. If you are large enough, with something like Linux you can take the Google approach which is 'its not a safe bet, but if no one else maintains it going forward, we can'. But for the rest of the normal businesses out there, using an OS with 1% market share is risky as hell.

      For any business, knowing the investment in using the OS is going to be around for a while and not disappear tomorrow is important. You get that with Windows, Solaris and OS X. With Linux you get nothing but the source. Source is great for Google who can just do everything internally for marginal costs when spread across their entire network. Source to Linux is fucking pointless to anyone selling software to end users. Source to Linux is pointless to a company who is trying to hit a solid target, not the inconsistent mess that is provided in the tiny fractured Linux community of distros.

      Marketshare doesn't matter to the people who make Linux, this I agree with. And that in and of itself is one of Linux's primary reasons for not being all that useful to a great many people. Most of the world doesn't use a computer because they like programming, most of the world uses a computer to get something accomplished.

      You'd do well to recognize that or if you happen to be a developer, just go ahead and get yourself a new job now cause you are part of why people get frustrated by computers.

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    10. Re:Quick response: No by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good thing then that those dedicated souls who give time and effort for free to develop the software aren't requiring manufacturers to build anything themselves, and in fact have been very clear from day one that all they want are open specifications for the hardware.

      Which is why there wasn't ever a case of manufacturer releasing the specs (or even driver code) to add to the kernel, and then a year down the line it is abandoned and no longer working... right?

  4. "Statistics are like mini skirts... by ark1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    both reveal some interesting things but may hide the essential."

  5. Well... by techwizrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These statistics seem to a be a bit flawed. Windows has 90% of the market, Mac OS X has 9%, and Linux has 1%. However, Linux is heavily used in servers, handhelds, and other devices. Not to mention, the fact that there is no way reliable way to track Linux installs (100s of dstributions with users installing everywhere and no phoning home to report it).

    I don't think this statistic is meaningful. I think Linux should keep chugging along and show the world that freedom, volunteers, and good will can equal money. Something to tip the scales...

    1. Re:Well... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who modded the parent a Troll? Perfectly legitimate comment, and he's right besides.

      The problem is that they assume that the only reasonable metric for evaluating Linux adoption is to compare the number of Linux boxes to the number of Mac or Windows systems. That ignores the fact that millions upon millions of devices are running Linux (mostly embedded systems of one kind or another.) In most cases, it's not even apparent that Linux is under the hood.

      Linux is here to stay, period. Whether or not it eventually becomes serious competition to Windows (or the Mac for that matter) is not relevant, since there's plenty of other application for it.

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    2. Re:Well... by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it's assumed that we're talking about Linux on the desktop.

  6. Not so difficult by PleaseFearMe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The market share is not fragmented so evenly as the summary suggests. The majority of the market share is composed of people who only check email, browse the web, etc. I have heard plenty of stories of these people moving seamlessly from Windows to Linux. Linux should be aiming specifically for this group of people because they do not need the proprietary software that musicians/artists/etc. would otherwise need. All their needs can easily be satisfied with Firefox and Thunderbird. There is not much more to the data point than how many people have experienced Linux and found that it satisfied all their needs without the heavy price they must otherwise pay to Microsoft. What Linux needs to do is get itself out there through advertisements, etc. There needs to be more commercials on television like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4

    1. Re:Not so difficult by zxjio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was recently watching Hulu and saw an ad for what I first thought might be Firefox. Turns out it was Chrome, which is too bad (we already know Google can advertise). It seems like the perfect space to advertise for Firefox or, better yet, a Linux distribution. You know people there are somewhat tech savvy, and frankly for whatever your friend says, having professionally-produced advertisements on respectable places like Hulu stamp "Ubuntu" into your consciousness means a lot for acceptance.

  7. It's not meaningless at all by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The quote from TFA misses the point entirely. It's not about there "being only one," it's about there being enough users to make Linux (or any OS that isn't from Microsoft) a viable alternative to Windows. If a particular OS has 0.0001% or 0.01% or even 0.1% market share, very few developers are going to develop for that OS. You won't be able to connect your machine running that OS to anyone's network, even if it's technically capable of making the connection, because IT will be paranoid about this unknown platform. Etc. But if you reach 1% or more, that's kind of a magic number. You may still be seen as kind of weird for not following the crowd, but you'll be able to use your computer for the same tasks for which everyone else uses theirs.

    I'd say 1% is about what any non-Windows OS needs, as long as the aggregate of "alternative" OSes stays above 5% or so, as is currently the case with Linux + OS X. When the number gets significantly below that, as it did in the days before Linux took off and when you couldn't say "Apple" without first saying "beleaguered," things are pretty rough for anyone who's not running Windows on the desktop, using IE for the web, and writing everything in Word.

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    1. Re:It's not meaningless at all by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Linux has been a viable operating system for at least ten years now. Ditto for FreeBSD which I use. They have had ample developers to make them viable for a very long time. Don't worry about what other people are using, and make your own decisions.

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  8. Statistical significance by Browzer · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistically_significant>

    "In statistics, a result is called statistically significant if it is unlikely to have occurred by chance. "A statistically significant difference" simply means there is statistical evidence that there is a difference; it does not mean the difference is necessarily large, important, or significant in the common meaning of the word....

    The significance level is usually represented by the Greek symbol, (alpha). Popular levels of significance are 5%, 1% and 0.1%. If a test of significance gives a p-value lower than the -level, the null hypothesis is rejected...."

    1. Re:Statistical significance by BrentH · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mod parent down.

      What's tested here isn't a hypthesis, hell, there's even nothing being tested! This is a measurement of the installed base of different OSes. Now, you can argue about the the way it's measured, but expressing a marketshare as a ratio of the total sample has nothing to do with statistcal significance.

  9. Is it really that little? by Casandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, how is that measured? I mean it certainly must be way more. Do they measure commercial sales of distributions? Well that's certainly misleading. For example I have a laptop which came with a Windows XP license, now it runs Ubuntu. Few Linux users actually buy their distribution and the amount of them has decreased over the years. That would also explain why the market share of Macs seems to be so large. There they simply could count the sold machines.

    Measuring the user-agent strings of web-browsers also isn't verry precise as different sites tend to attract different kinds of users.

  10. Re:The Author... by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know, I don't think Linux has a huge marketshare on the desktop, it's probably a few percent in corporate desktops and less than one percent for home desktops. That being said Linux is probably has more total OS installs that WIndows, all the virtual hosts and ubiquitous embedded devices that have been moving over to Linux in droves add up to a ton of actual usage.

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  11. Overall Marketshare? by Rycross · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Overall marketshare? I'm highly doubtful that a 1% marketshare includes servers, much less all the Linux-powered devices (like my router) out there.

    I don't think I've ever seen an OS marketshare report that wasn't flawed in some way.

  12. My gut says about 5% by petrus4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For some intuitive, illogical reason, I feel as though 5% is probably a reasonable current number where desktop Linux is concerned.

    Virtually the only major growth going forward is going to be with Ubuntu. There simply isn't any other distro out there which mimics Windows closely enough for the Lloyd Christmas demographic to be happy with it. So in mainstream terms, we're going to have a Ubuntu monoculture; to the uneducated, Ubuntu and Linux will become synonyms.

    I think however that it's too early to tell, at this point, what longer term effect Ubuntu's mainstream success will have on the broader Linux community. I've already seen some vague suggestions online that in some cases Ubuntu acts as a gateway drug for Linux; Ubuntu is used at first, and then as a user learns more, and develops more confidence, they sometimes move somewhere else, distro-wise. I don't think this happens a lot, though; something tells me that with most people, Ubuntu's long-term retention rate will be high, with most staying in GNOME and avoiding the CLI more or less completely.

    The overwhelming mainstream demand of Linux is that it become as much a clone of Windows as possible. I believe that this will greatly damage Linux's technical integrity long term, which is why I've moved to FreeBSD, which I am hoping will remain relatively immune from the insistent screaming of Windows refugees for a monetarily free XP clone. I had one Ubuntu user inform me on IRC, only a few hours ago, that Linux's primary reason for existence was to apparently provide users like her with only a marginally more stable Windows clone; it is interesting just how arrogant and forceful Windows refugees are becoming with this demand.

    Of course, what I still haven't figured out is why those people who consider it important for Linux to become mainstream, do feel such a desperate need for that to happen. The one thing I can promise you is that mainstream adoption will not ultimately do good things for Linux; it is a fundamental law in my mind that the quality of any given thing is inversely proportional to its' degree of popularity.

    Apart from anything else, Windows refugees generally have absolutely no clue what they are doing where serious software development is concerned. As more ex-Windows users migrate to Linux, there is, I feel, sound cause for therefore believing that Linux's overall code quality will begin to drop. The only thing Windows users care about is that computer use is, "easy." They don't know or care about stability, security, or hardware efficiency, and they also don't understand that a severe tradeoff nearly always exists between robustness and usability at the best of times.

    The facts that Slackware is a rock-solid server distro, but not used much on the desktop, while Ubuntu is a nightmare in technical terms, but is the primary desktop distro, are not coincidences. Robustness and extreme usability are virtually mutually exclusive. For one to be present, the other must go by definition.

    1. Re:My gut says about 5% by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The overwhelming mainstream demand of Linux is that it become as much a clone of Windows as possible.

      No no no!!! Please, if anyone gets anything from this let it be that Linux cannot be just a Windows clone, it has to be something better! Why would anyone go through the trouble of installing a completely different operating system that is exactly the same as the one they have? There HAS to be something extra, even for the average user.

      Really, it shouldn't be too hard. Look at what Apple has been doing: they make little applications that draw people in, like photobooth. It is totally silly, and mostly useless, and really easy to make, but I've seen teenagers in the Apple store after school just taking pictures of themselves in photobooth. It's easy to get to and addictive.

      Another example is time machine. It is simple, straightforward, and fun to use. It makes you WANT to go buy a second hard drive, just so you can look at the cool animation. Never mind that you've seen way cooler animations in made-for-TV movies, that animation is seductive.

      The dock was the same way when it first came out, it bounced when you put your mouse by it. It was fun to play with. It drew you in. Linux needs to draw you in.

      And it can. Linux has Compiz, which is graphically the most impressive of any desktop. KDE has some great artists. Now they just need the focus to make Linux sticky, make it draw you in, make you feel happy when you look at the screen. That's what Linux needs to do. Be better than Windows.

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    2. Re:My gut says about 5% by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anything running a GUI could be said to be trying to be like Windows. They all have "windows", some form of "menus" and mouse interaction. This is already pretty much the universal default for ALL OSes. I can't remember the last time I installed Linux, but not a windows manager with it. Hell, I was using "windows" like apps before Windows became ubiquitous. Back in DOS I pretty much only used Xtree, even to execute files.

      Yes, a minor fringe of people will still insist on CLI only, but they are completely irrelevant.

      I personally don't care if all OSs converge on being "Windows like" (which itself is "Mac like". Its the stuff under the hood that matters more, as long as none of that changes, I don't care. Look at OS X, yes it has a slick GUI that puts non-intimidation and user-friendliness above pure geekish power, but one hot key away is a shell prompt and 90% of the power of BSD, more with extensions. The same will probably go for Linux. Unless they somehow scrap the kernel completely, and remove the ability to quickly open a terminal window, there is no problem.

      Ubuntu, also, is a pretty solid distro, ignoring being somewhat, kinda, but not really, Windows like. I haven't really run into any lack of Linux features. Hell, if decide to boot into pure GUI-free linux, I doubt many people could really tell the difference.

      Also, Linux will always be free for tinkerers. If you don't like Gnome or KDE's current look, go fork it and make it to your tastes. Hell, I don't even know how many alternative windows managers are out there these days, maybe one of them is not-Windows enough for your tastes.

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  13. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, there is no meaningful way to accurately measure how many people (or businesses) are using Linux, or Windows, or BSD. So "market share" is meaningless. Its just a statistic that marketing departments can twist to sound however they want it to sound.

     

  14. Re:Not 1%. Much more. Enough with the 1% by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So...

    We trust the guy who "just says so" over the guys who collect and analize the data and compare the results for a living?

    Sorry bro "just cause" doesn't cut it when there are mountains of data proving you wrong.

    Linux extremely popular in a few areas: network backbones, pure data crunching applications (often a windows application passes data to a linux server farm for processing), web server applications where up-front OS cost is a significant portion of the cost (else the MS server product is often cheaper in the long run), web server applications that require very custom applications and very fine OS control, very small embedded hardware applications, etc. For a lot of these applications I'd wager linux has 50/50 market share with microsoft (roughly, novel still has a portion of the server market, and apple has a very small portion as well). In a few areas like embedded apps, MS has very little market share, and Linux is probably in the 50-70% range, maybe even higher.

    However, ALL of those applications are trounced by the desktop PC market, and MS still owns that hands down, even with Macs at 9%. 1% is not at all unbelievable for Linux, MS has its hands in almost everything, and has very good products that are strong competitors in almost every catagory. Linux doesn't even compare, it's a niche OS used for niche applications and it is very very good at filling most all niche needs. Unfortunately "Niche" is just everything MS doesn't dominate.

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  15. First, that "1%" figure was from only one source. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Other sources estimated the number to be 5% or even 6%. Which just goes to show how statistics can easily be used in ways that are misleading or distorted.

    But this also bears examining: 1% (or 5% or 6%) of what OS market? Linux is sure as hell a lot higher than that in the server market, and if you are talking about internet servers, higher still.

    So, maybe it doesn't have wonderful desktop penetration yet. But I bet it's higher than those statistics say! My bet is that Linux is the secondary OS for an awful lot of people, often via dual-booting. Just as "one and one only" voting has been shown to be inferior to "instant runoff" and other voting methods, saying that people have only "this or that" OS does not present an accurate picture of the landscape.

  16. Re:Not 1%. Much more. Enough with the 1% by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because there are sound commercial reasons to do so.

    Which vary in each specific instance, while the figure itself remains largely unchanged.

    It boils down to human counting systems with only three or four distinct values: 0%, 1%, 90%, 99% aka nobody, hardly anybody, most people, almost everyone.

    When you cite 1% it spares you from deciding whether to write "hardly anyone" or "a tenacious few". For exponential distributions, 1% is the glass half-full point: the optimists read that as the upward inflection of immanent domination; status-quo pessimists read that as annoying cohort who forgot to take their meds.

    If you write "5% of desktops run Linux", it's like saying the glass is 5/8s full. It only complicates the knee-jerk response.

    If some materials science wonk invents an exotic new material which they have absolutely no idea how to commercialize, but raised money anyway, the obligatory quote is that commercial products will be available "in five years". It's kinda PR speak for "don't call us, we'll call you, if we ever get our shit together".

    There are sound reasons not to take precision too seriously.

    http://www.scientificblogging.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/nitpicking_omega_b_discovery

  17. Who cares? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seriously, computing is about more than just desktop users.

    How do various hobbyists, and I.T. professionals use Linux? It would be easier to count the niches that Linux is not filling. According to Netcraft, Apache still had over 50% web server market share, while IIS only had 30% in April 2009. I am sure there are some people running Apache on Windows, but I would venture a guess that it is not the majority.

    Even webserver market share does not represent the whole server market share. Approximately 40% of all hardware in the server room where I work run Linux in some form, only 25% of all the servers run Linux. There are more than a dozen third party network appliances in this room. Third party examples I can think of are load balancers, spam firewalls, content servers, and NAS filers. I cannot think of one third party Windows Server based appliance in our server room, aside from servers. I am sure there are Windows appliances out there, just not in our server room. If it is part of Microsoft's mission to lock customers in to commodity desktop and server hardware, that is not something that really scales for vendors designing and selling specialized appliances and hardware.

    How much Internet infrastructure runs on Linux? I wonder what the percentage of postfix/sendmail servers on Linux versus Exchange servers on Windows is? What is the number of external BIND DNS servers on Linux, versus external Windows DNS servers. What is the market share of Linux iptables/tc routers, load balancers, VPN gateways, or 3rd party appliance running Linux) versus Windows RRAS routers used in small and midsize offices? How many companies are using Asterisk versus the number of companies using Microsoft Office Communicator Suite (Not sure OCS qualifies as a PBX, though)? How many companies are virtualizing their data centers with VMWare ESX, Xen, or KVM, all running on Linux versus Microsoft HyperV?

    How many consumer electronics devices have popped up with Linux on them, versus Windows? I can probably name 20 devices with an ARM processor, and some version of Linux running on it. Here is a short list: Linksys Wireless routers, webcams, Tivo, Roku, Netgear ReadyNas, Sony flatscreen televisions, POS terminals, etc. Windows mobile has notably made its way onto mobile phones and Wasp barcode scanners.

    How about high-performance computing? How many Rocks clusters, and render farms are built on Linux versus Windows HPC servers?

    Seriously who cares if Linux isn't prevalent on the desktop. Linux has filled every other niche, besides the desktop computer, six ways to Sunday. While Microsoft and Apple are laughing at a 1% desktop share, Linux is taking over every other niche which it is able to quickly evolve and adapt. World domination fast, indeed.

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  18. 1% is meaningful as a milestone by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You really have to cross 1% before you can achieve better proportions like 100%.

    Market share implies usefulness, or that people use, want to use, or are forced into using it.

    For Linux to have 1% market usage would mean that there is also a decent sized pool for community.

    A 98% market share for Linux would be great; it would mean a massive pool of users to form community, to find issues, test new versions, etc.

    Resulting in an even better product that more people will find beneficial and easy to use in an advantageous way.

  19. The trend is more useful than the absolute value by gdshaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree completely that you cannot place much trust in the percentage, for all of the reasons that get mentioned whenever we talk about OS or browser market share.

    The trend, however, is much more interesting because it cancels out much of the systematic bias that will be present in any given series of results.

    In this particular case Linux shows a fairly steady increase from 0.43% to 1.02% over the last two years, a compound annual growth rate of about 50% (albeit from a low starting point). I think that's good news.

    (In fact the actual figure may be even better than that, because there was a suspicious 25% decline in October 2008. It could be that they changed methodology in some way, perhaps by reclassifying one of the embedded Linux-based platforms, because that month's change stands out as being very unusual.)

  20. of course it's meaningful by shish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It means "the overall share of the market". If you're using it to measure quality or reliability or developer's dick size then you're doing it wrong, and that's not the statistic's fault...

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  21. Linux has over 90% of the supercomputing market by stox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would be interesting to come up with a metric that evaluated "real" work done under each platform. The numbers might be surprising.

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  22. 1% meaningless w/o info how the data was obtained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Compare this (this article is based on this data):

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9

    which doesn't give any hint how the data has been obtained with this:

    http://www.heise.de/open/Linux-knackt-auf-dem-Desktop-die-1-Prozent-Marke--/news/meldung/137137

    (Win XP: 55.5%, Linux: 14.8%, Vista: 14,4%, Apple: 7,7%)

    with this:

    http://www.handy-mc.de/handy-bestenliste/toplist-bewertung.html

    Toshiba Portege G910 (#1), a handy which doesn't exist yet, is much more popular than the iPhone (#200).

    There is a lot of nonsense floating around. Do not trust this data.

  23. Drivers by skegg · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is meaningful if you want to draw the attention of hardware manufacturers and have them develop drivers.

  24. Well of course it would be... by mario_grgic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I switched to OS X 13 months ago, and I honestly don't see a point in switching to Linux as my primary system (I'm a software developer, mostly working in Java).

    The only reason one would do that would be philosophical, rather than practical. I use Linux of course, but I don't miss anything available on Linux using OS X. But if I were to switch to Linux I would miss quite a few things (mostly having to do with images and video and Nikon and Canon software support for Linux in particular. Of course there is the issue of Photoshop and Adobe video suite).
     

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  25. Linux is 10% by loufoque · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone knows Linux has 10% market share worldwide.
    Those 1% are from broken statistics. Even for just the US they're wrong.

  26. 1%, 10%, 90% Is Enough For Me by DeanFox · · Score: 2, Informative


    Linux has enough market share that there are 10s of thousands of people supporting it. Linux has enough market share that I get an outstanding Desktop OS. An OS that I gladly pay for through donations and purchasing vendor products. Linux has enough market share to provide me with the most stable, safe and feature rich platform available. It has enough market share that Linksys, nVidia and other high-end hardware manufactures support it.

    1%, 10% or 90%... Linux has enough market share for me.

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