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Fedora 11 Is Now Available
rexx mainframe writes "Fedora 11 is now available on BitTorrent. Fedora 11 offers ext4, a 20-second startup, and the latest GNOME, KDE and XFCE releases. Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3's latest pre-releases are available as well. Fedora 11 features Presto, a yum plugin that reduces bandwidth consumption drastically by downloading only binary differences between updates. It also features Openchange for interoperability with Microsoft Exchange. There are new security enhancements, improved and upgraded development tools, and cutting-edge features in areas such as virtualization."
I hurt myself trying to install it.
I wish I had a spare partition to install this on. The Beta and Preview releases were good, and they seem to be interested in trying a few new things.
The release announcement makes we wonder, though.
A 20 second boot? What happens after that?
And that was the last Terry Fox run I ever participated in.
"we must keep releasing stuff and get things moving... and maybe one day, they will see us as a serious contender for a professional OS. good job, Red Hat"
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Yea, KDE 4.2.3 will never be as polished as the commercial Vis, er Windows 7 1/2 Operating System
KDE 4.2.3 KDE 4.3 Beta Gnome 2.26.1
Damn pirates.
Seriously, why does linux have so many release cycles. That's one thing I didnt like about Ubuntu. It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something.
It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd.
Fedora 11 Screenshot Tour
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I like it except it doesn't have X feeture
This release of Fedora is the release that will probably be the basis for the next release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). This is a good thing, because I like using commercial software on Linux (read: I like using VMware Player to run virtual machines), and right now RHEL 5 does not run with the 2007-era hardware I have, being based on a version of Fedora from 2006.
Once this becomes RHEL, commercial ISVs (Independent Software Vendors) will start supporting the release and both the hardware I use and the commercial software I need to be productive (sorry guys, I find VirtualBox a lot more buggy and less intuitive to use than VMware) will be supported in a version of Linux that will have the stability I need.
Can anyone confirm that RHEL6 will be based on Fedora 11?
Geez, that 4.3 video makes it look horrible. It still has slow screen redraws and weird artifacts when moving windows. It also appears to be getting uglier and uglier as we painfully proceed along the KDE release trail. And I see that damn cashew in the corner (which everyone but a handful of KDE developers seem to hate) is still hanging in there. Frankly, vista looks a hell of a lot more polished and modern than that.
Although I still prefer FTP or HTTP, I've learned over the years to wait a few days before downloading. It also gives some time to see what the early adopters say, usually right here on slash.
C|N>K
Every Fedora release brings 10 different people talking about how they can't wait to install the new release. There is nothing better hearing them bitch the next day about how their machine has all these issues haha. (I am not a Fedora hater in anyway)
User, but used PCLinuxOS for about a year. I tried RH & Fedora a few days here and there....But, for those interested (not just in Fedora):
Linux Format magazine (issue 120) will carry Ubuntu as well as Mandriva 2009.1
http://www.linuxformat.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives
Issue 119 carries "Triple-booting DVD with PCLinuxOS 2009, Mepis 8 and Zenwalk 6"
http://www.linuxformat.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives&issue=119
Not to "dis(s)" Fedora, but variety in Open Source/GNU/Linux will (hopefully) ensure ms doesn't nuke us.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
I last installed a RH/Fedora OS almost ten years ago -- RedHat 6.0. I loved it. I pulled down sources from RPMFind.net and compiled them to try them out. I used that distro until the wheels fell off -- GCC became out-of-date and could not be updated nor could programs written for GCC-4 be compiled successfully under GCC-3, or so I heard. Same for the kernel, RH-6.0 being one of the first users of the 2.4 series (2.4.11, IIRC). The most modern kernel I remember installing on it was 2.4.35!
That took about five years. (I HATE installing and especially configuring new OSes!)
I used Knoppix 3.2.x for a year or so as a hard drive install but it would not update, Knoppix maintaining no repositories themselves, and the distro being incompatible (libraries) with Debian's repos.
I moved on to Ubuntu clones, Mepis-6 (two years) and Ultimate-2.0 XMas (six months.) No probs except I feel left out of the process. When I installed UE first time, a few things didn't work quite right. I ignored them for the time being, spending time finding and installing programs useful for the way I live -- Ufraw, ufraw-Gimp, Gimp, Digikam, (I have a pro-level DSLR and shoot RAW-DNG) and such. Then, after an update, the probs went away. Obviously, the updates fixed them, but I was not aware of how. Then, I was offered an opportunity to upgrade the distro to the newest one, and I tried it. Now, the system is not borked but imperfect, so time to install another.
I will try Fedora 11 (it's downloading now) with workstation compiling tools and see if I can keep it going for five years or so like RH-6. Or at least until GCC-5 and kernel 2.8.x become ubiquitous, whichever comes first.
Did I mention I HATE installing and configuring OSes?
Fedora is probably the only general audience distribution that supports disk encryption and lockup security features user-friendly and out-of-the-box.
Has anyone got full disk encryption in daily use?
NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
Fedora 11 is the first release of any major distribution to include kernel mode-setting (KMS) for Intel GMA, ATI Radeon, and nVidia TNT2/GeForce chipsets. This is an excellent step forward in terms of moving off of crufty old graphics APIs and being able to use video cards in a more uniform, reliable manner.
~ C.
5. Non-Simple Update from Different Revision of the OS. Maybe I am ignorant but These this hinder linux from becoming a complete powerhouse.
You are ignorant. To ugprade from one Ubuntu revision to another requires hitting a single button marked "upgrade". Wow, that was so hard.
I just used preupgrade to move from fc10 on my Samsung NC10 netbook. As I type this, Anaconda is installing the packages for upgrade.
So far, this upgrade is going smoothly. According to the release notes, I should see an improvement in battery life. We'll see...
sig: sauer
Ultimately, couldn't see why I'd stick with Fedora anymore. Most of my servers run CentOS (which is a humongous pain in the ass), the new Ubuntu servers are for development only. If Ubuntu does well there, CentOS may have to give way, too.
The trolls are out in force today.
Deps? Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps. Ditto package managers. Pick a distro that uses the one you like.
Too many distros? WTF? Just pick one! You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.
What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills? So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that? Pick one that you like!
Linux is a rather complete powerhouse. Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.
Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it. Why not just use Windows or Mac? Life is too short to be angry about Linux...
Here here.
You're looking for "Hear, hear!" as in "Hear, Ye! Hear Ye!" or "Listen to me!"
Sorry, we each have our grammar-nazi burdens to bear. I just bared mine.
Yeah, really. I stick with it because my office is a Redhat shop and this lets me stay close to the Redhat layout and such but still have the option to update and install new stuff to keep my own systems bleeding edge. That said, I think Ubuntu deserves its first-place standing and I get tempted to switch. We'll see how F11 goes. If it wipes out my grub loader (again), I might just jump ship...
Maybe you'd prefer the release notes or the tour instead?
The desktop may be bleeding-edge, but the server components are rock-solid.
I might have a tough time adjusting the volume or getting the desktop applets to work right, but the server implementations are stable and work right every time.
Sorry, we each have our grammar-nazi burdens to bear. I just bared mine.
I hate you.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
Does this include ATI drivers with decent 3D acceleration support for OLDER cards? Or does it at least offer the possibility to install those? I run into this issue with Ubuntu - the X server was so new that the drivers weren't available yet and my Radeon HD 2600 had no 3D OpenGL support.
I began using Slackware back when the shiny new Linux kernel was 0.95a and used Slackware until about 1996 or early 1997 when I switched to RedHat. I was a huge fan of RedHat and the first few Fedoras, but with newer releases, they seem to be focusing on making a Winux system for dummies and put more effort into making snazzy looking desktop environments and writing clunky inefficient GUIs for simple systems tasks. The systems aren't as reliable as they used to be, you get all kinds of garbage dependencies and badly configured packages. I haven't put anything newer than FC8 on my home systems, but I installed Fedora 10 on a work system last year. I wash my hands of this crap. I don't know what distro I'll use next, but I'm not installing any flavor of RedHat again on any of my systems.
"The `//areZ must flow." ;)
My Awesomeness is soo great that Not only have I installed it; evaluated it and sent out my reviews to various magazines; I have also configured it to make me coffee and raise my kids.
I need that perl script on my desk NOW! Hang on - if it raises kids, it's probably in Lisp.
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
I got a bit sick of the problems i was having with F10 a couple of months ago, and switched my laptop to Ubuntu 9.04 beta. It was ok, some things were a bit better, but there were a few annoyances - in particular, X kept freezing. I switched to F11 preview, a week or so ago and i'm glad to be back on Fedora!
Whoops. Completely missed 11. I've been tracking 12.
(Alpha comes out July 7)
I'll get off your lawn since I only started using Linux since 1.0.8 ;)
Might wanna try out Arch Linux. It kind of reminds me of Slack - just with a proper package manager and without an opinionated (B)DFL. BSD-style init, everything is generally real easy to configure by hand, and the packages are pretty close to vanilla. They are binary so usually you don't have to waste time compiling them yourself, but when you need to, it's real easy - their "automated build system" (ABS) is mighty cool. The base install is minimal, but they're not too obsessed with freedom, so you get a completely usable desktop with the default repos, and there's also a huge community-provided repository.
It's a rolling release though, so stuff does occasionally break. Still, by far my favorite modern desktop distro (I also tried Fedora, Ubuntu and OpenSuSE)
Is that on my grandmother's Pentium II laptop or my boss's multi-core workstation? Startup time seems like an arbitrary statistic for a Linux distribution that should run on a broad range of outdated and current hardware.
I'll be your candy shop of infinite deliciousity if you'll be my discotheque of endless rump-shaking.
If you want fewer releases use a long term support release.
For Ubuntu they are marked LTS and come out every two years. The last was 8.04 (Hardy)
For Fedora / RedHat they are the RedHat Enterprise Linux releases, and are about every three years, or the free CentOS copy of same.
And I don't remember anyone bitching about Win 7 coming out. Despite the bias towards linux around here I think most people will be glad to see the back of Vista.
I installed it last night. Good: fast and looks great. Bad: Ignores my wireless dongle. Pidgin, Gwibber and Tor broken. Not being able to see much of the internet may be an effect or a cause of this but the timing is suspicious.
Jeeze, how much caffeine was that guy on who was demonstrating KDE 4.3 Beta?
Geez, that 4.3 video makes it look horrible. It still has slow screen redraws and weird artifacts when moving windows.
You're judging that from a youtube video with its insanely low framerate? Retard.
No it doesn't work that easily, he'd have to enter his password. And you know that's the first thing users forget, having set up automatic logins and everything.
There are two rules for success:
1. Never tell everything you know.