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Apple Patent To Safeguard 911 Cellphone Calls

MojoKid writes "Engineers from Apple have applied for a patent on an 'emergency' mode for cell phones that would squeeze every last drop of energy out of the batteries. The phone would recognize emergency calls when the user dialed an emergency number, such as 911 in the United States. But another number could also be stored as an 'emergency number' on the phone (a spouse, child, or parent, for example) or the user could manually put the phone in emergency mode. The process would do a variety of things. It would disable 'non-essential hardware components' and applications on the phone, reduce power to the screen and potentially reduce the phone's processor speed. It also would make it harder to disconnect the call and enable 'emergency phrase buttons' on the phone."

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  1. Great. Just amazing. by Deltaspectre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now when I pocket dial 911 there's even less chance of me pocket-disconnecting and more chance of my phone spouting emergency phrases!

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    1. Re:Great. Just amazing. by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A big problem for you?

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    2. Re:Great. Just amazing. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Now when I pocket dial 911 there's even less chance of me pocket-disconnecting and more chance of my phone spouting emergency phrases!

      Yeah, cue a lot of future 911 calls where caller sounds oddly robotic and either reports that he cannot speak or is having an asthma attack.

    3. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, this is a problem. I've known people with non-flip style phones who have accidentally dialed 911 while the phone is in their pocket. Even if you have your keypad locked, you can still dial 911. If the keypad gets hit, bumped, or stressed in the right way while in your pocket, it can manage to dial 911 and connect you without you knowing.

      Heaven forbid that you'd find out and try to disconnect the call.

    4. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Egocentric bastard!
      I've called 112 once by a pocket call. I sure hope no-one died because of it.

    5. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Smurf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mmmmm... Do you realize that pocket dialing on an iPhone is way, way harder?

      Hints: The special gesture to unlock the phone. The fact that you normally have to navigate to the phone app and the numeric keypad (easy when you intend to, hard too do by accident. And, specially, the fact that the touch screen doesn't work through cloth.

    6. Re:Great. Just amazing. by maxume · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It takes special talent to do it with a normal phone. I mean, shocker of all shockers, I carried a candy bar phone for a couple of years and never accidentally dialed, let alone accidentally dialed 911.

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    7. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Even if you have your keypad locked, you can still dial 911. If the keypad gets hit, bumped, or stressed in the right way while in your pocket, it can manage to dial 911 and connect you without you knowing.

      Good thing the iPhone doesn't have a keypad, then.

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    8. Re:Great. Just amazing. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I've done it myself, I have a Blackberry pearl 8150 (I think). It's not hard to do, if I press a button while the phone is locked it pops up a menu to either unlock, dial emergency, or cancel. So in order to make an emergency call, I have to hit a button on the phone (any button) twice, once to de-idle it and once to bring up the menu, then the little ball chunk needs to be scrolled down to highlight the second choice, then either the ball or call button gets pressed. I got a phone call from a number that had about 16 digits that came from the local P.D. asking if there was an emergency and telling me to reset my phone.

      I don't know how the iPhone works, but you don't have to unlock my phone to make an emergency call, that's the one thing it will do if the phone is locked.

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    9. Re:Great. Just amazing. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      See my reply to the GP. Granted I've only done it once, but it's not all that difficult to do.

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    10. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Lachlan+Hunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I accidentally dialed 000 (the emergency number in Australia) once on an old phone of mine because the phone allowed emergency numbers to be called without unlocking the keypad. I thought that was a really stupid feature, because it increases the chances of dialiing it accidentally and when it does happen, it just wastes the time of the emergency response staff who could be dealing with real emergencies instead.

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    11. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Debug0x2a · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've done it myself, I have a Blackberry pearl 8150 (I think). It's not hard to do, if I press a button while the phone is locked it pops up a menu to either unlock, dial emergency, or cancel. So in order to make an emergency call, I have to hit a button on the phone (any button) twice, once to de-idle it and once to bring up the menu, then the little ball chunk needs to be scrolled down to highlight the second choice, then either the ball or call button gets pressed. I got a phone call from a number that had about 16 digits that came from the local P.D. asking if there was an emergency and telling me to reset my phone.

      I don't know how the iPhone works, but you don't have to unlock my phone to make an emergency call, that's the one thing it will do if the phone is locked.

      Basically same story from me, however I figured out (the hard way) that on many phones dialing 08 is an emergency call to 911. Why... beats me. Its very easy to accidently hit 2 adjacent numbers at the bottom of my phone in sequence and then hit the largest button on the phone (the dial button) afterwards and not notice until you get an irate call from a dispatcher...

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    12. Re:Great. Just amazing. by JimboFBX · · Score: 1

      NO, normal phones dont dial 911, they have special key combos that can get accidentally pressed. I had a nokia a few years back and accidentally dialed 911 on the keypad by pressing 0-8 when it is locked. None of the other keys function when it is locked, so all you have to do is put pressure on the lower corner of the phone and you get the 0, then just put flat pressure on the top and you get the 8, and do this within 3 seconds. If you have keys in your pocket or something this is rather easy to do. The 0 and the 8 are right next to each other.

      The iphone on the other hand, is much harder to accidentally do anything with. As it is right now, you have to unlock the phone, then enter your password (if it is locked). If you don't know the password you can still access emergency numbers via a button in the corner.

    13. Re:Great. Just amazing. by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Me too. While my old, ancient phone was prone to dial 08, there were also a number of different combinations which were designated as "emergency". Once (on a very slow night, I guess), I went through the different combination of two and three number possibilities for emergency numbers, up to two or three hundred. If memory serves me, there were at least four different combination which, when pressed, would dial 911. One of those is 121 (or maybe it was 211). There were a few others too.

      I understand wanting to make your software and hardware internationally compatible, but I think it should at least be a little harder to dial 911 than to accidentally hit 08 [send].

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    14. Re:Great. Just amazing. by xOneca · · Score: 1

      One of those is 121 (or maybe it was 211).

      In Spain emergency number is 112... maybe it was that.

    15. Re:Great. Just amazing. by The+Qube · · Score: 4, Informative

      > One of those is 121 (or maybe it was 211)

      You're thinking of 112. That is a standard emergency number for GSM mobile networks. Anywhere in the world, if you dial that number on a GSM mobile phone, you will be connected to the local emergency service. Also, mobile phones recognise that number as the emergency number and will automatically route the call through any available GSM network (even if your own mobile network is out of coverage). Also, the calls are obviously not charged, can be made when you don't have any credit left on your pre-paid account and can even be made if there's no SIM card in the phone.

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    16. Re:Great. Just amazing. by JimboFBX · · Score: 1

      Yup had this on my old nokia. The funny thing is that it doesnt tell you what 0 8 is, it just says your pressing it, so when I would pull my phone out I would quite often notice the display saying '0' or '08'. One day I got curious and hit "send"...

    17. Re:Great. Just amazing. by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      000 is the emergency number in Australia, and it's quite easy to dial it in a pocket.

      There's been more than one occasion where I've checked the phone and it has "000" and "SEND" under the very large, central softkey. I always thought keylocks were there to, you know, lock the keys. Don't give me that crap about, "OMG ITS AN EMERGENCY YOU WONT HAVE TIME TO UNLOCK A PHONE" , just lock the damn keys like I told you to.

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    18. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      A GSM phone also increases the power on the antenna when dialing 112. I think the reasons this level of power is not normally used is not just to increase battery life, but because there are legal limits on the signal it is allowed to generate, which can be ignored in emergency situations.

    19. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

      I accidentally dialed 000 (the emergency number in Australia) once on an old phone of mine because the phone allowed emergency numbers to be called without unlocking the keypad. I thought that was a really stupid feature, because it increases the chances of dialiing it accidentally and when it does happen, it just wastes the time of the emergency response staff who could be dealing with real emergencies instead.

      The reason phones allow you to do this is because the very nature of the concept of "emergency" prevents you from covering all possible scenarios. What if the only available phone in an emergency isn't yours, and it's locked? What if whatever happened is so shocking that you can't think properly beyond "omfg i MUST dial 000 now now now!"

      Being able to dial now can be the difference between life and death, and there are so bloody many different models and makes that it is unreasonable to think that your average person will know whether the model at hand is locked and how to unlock it. Some of us might not be such cool-headed cats when faced with blood or guns or twisted and burning metal or...

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    20. Re:Great. Just amazing. by hmar · · Score: 1

      On the Bberry curve from AT&T, when locked, if you hit the control ball twice it dials 911. Not sure if this is Rim's software or at&t's.

    21. Re:Great. Just amazing. by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      That's why the emergency number shouldn't be a 3 number sequence of the same number. That's just stupid, the emergency services are just asking for more accidental calls when they do that.

    22. Re:Great. Just amazing. by Lachlan+Hunt · · Score: 1

      The number 000 was assigned way back in the days of rotary dial phones when such issues didn't exist, so you can't retroactively assign blame to poor choice of numbers. However, I would argue otherwise that the choice of 000 was and still is the better choice because it is easier to dial than 911 (especially on rotary dial phones in use at the time), and because, IMHO, it's more memorable.

      See:
      http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_100580

      Although, I have to admit that both 000 and 911 are significantly better than having separate numbers like 110, 112 and 113 for police, fire and ambulance (I can never remember which is which), at least in Norway (I'm not sure about the rest of Europe).

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  2. Not too bad.. by log0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually doesn't seem like that bad of an idea for a patent. Granted the system is full of abuse, but at least this one is well intentioned and could save a life.

    1. Re:Not too bad.. by GrpA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean only save the lives of iPhone users... Everyone who chooses a different phone will be punished to death for their arrogance...

      Sadly, this scenario seems more likely IMO given Apple.

      After all, if they intended to patent it "to stop others blocking it" they could just as easily have made it into prior art and it would have been cheaper to do.

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    2. Re:Not too bad.. by MLCT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but at least this one is well intentioned and could save a life.

      Not if phone manufacturers are dissuaded from adding this feature because they would either have to pay Apple royalties or risk being sued by them. In that case the fact that it has been patented may actually cost lives.

      If Apple came out and guaranteed royalty free licensing for all then it would be a positive move for society.

    3. Re:Not too bad.. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not if phone manufacturers are dissuaded from adding this feature because they would either have to pay Apple royalties or risk being sued by them. In that case the fact that it has been patented may actually cost lives.

      The obvious counter argument is that it wouldn't have been worked on in the first place because it would have given them no competitive advantage without the patent, so the 'life saving feature' would never have been developed, and those "lives would not have saved".

    4. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I dunno.. OTHER phones have batteries that are easily replaceable by the end-user (almost always way cheaper than Apple's $85.95 per battery change, too; and phone internal memory doesn't get wiped), so they can swap their failing battery for a new one and not end up needing this "emergency 911 mode" because they couldn't afford the new battery (or going without their precious iPhone for a few days).

      This "new" development by Apple sounds like a pretty complicated way to fix an easily fixable design flaw in their phones....

    5. Re:Not too bad.. by Jamu · · Score: 1

      Unless there's a bug in the system. In which case, your phone stops working when you need it the most. I can't help thinking that better power saving in normal operation might be a better solution. Easier to find bugs in normal operation too.

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    6. Re:Not too bad.. by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The obvious argument is that we've had phones that do that, they've just gone out of favor as cell phone companies have largely stopped releasing basic phones.

      With the added bonus of not having to pay patent ransom or waste battery with bullshit functions you didn't really want in the first place.

    7. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, this is a great idea. It's so great, that it should probably be mandatory for all phones.
      Yet I was wondering, what if the guy that patented the safety belt would had asked for a substantial fee from all the car manufacturers?

    8. Re:Not too bad.. by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt they'll grant royalty free use but I do suspect they'll assure competitors "you don't get twitchy with your patent portfolio and we won't get twitchy with ours." Sorta like most major companies already do - using patents as defense against other company's patents...

    9. Re:Not too bad.. by YourExperiment · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Worked on"? While it's easy to say this with hindsight, all of the ideas that make up this "emergency mode" are pretty obvious. It did not require anyone to "work on" them. The patent covers the fact that the phone will do these things (the easy part), not the technical details of how it will do them (the hard part).

      I have no objection to Apple protecting the hardware and software that allows their phone to do these things. I object to them being able to stop others from implementing these obvious ideas without paying royalties, and thereby ensuring that less phones will have these features in the long run than would otherwise be the case.

    10. Re:Not too bad.. by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      What's the discovery, invention, or innovation here? Degraded mode operation has been around for many, many years now.

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    11. Re:Not too bad.. by Speed+Pour · · Score: 1

      This is one of the problems with the patent system (yes, I know, everybody likes to say that). They are patenting the idea, not a process or design. For once Apple came up with a legitimately good idea, and they are almost certainly going to abuse it. If they want to patent the process or design, which was the intent of the patent system, it wouldn't be a problem....other companies would certainly develop the same concept with their own handsets (which wouldn't match the iphone design for a number of obvious reasons).

      With so many companies backing down on certain patents in the name of not being purely despicable (ie. IBM), Apple should announce this one is a patent they will only hold in name only and demand no licensing.

      If they insist on the licensing, I would love to see the hacker communities (xda & android probably the most capable) take a step to duplicate the functions. Even if Apple decides to do the wrong thing, there's no reason to allow them to hold an exclusive.

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    12. Re:Not too bad.. by rpopescu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, like, if you've been injured, the first thing you do before calling 911 is changing the battery in your mobile. Also, your non-Apple phone allows you, like all phones which are not made by Apple of course, to replace the battery during the call, should you notice you're battery's running out...

    13. Re:Not too bad.. by DannyO152 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is a sensible idea - it is software as is any process where a program assesses a situation, so it shouldn't be patentable in my opinion - and I hope that this is being patented defensively and will be implemented widely.

    14. Re:Not too bad.. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The obvious argument is that we've had phones that do that, they've just gone out of favor as cell phone companies have largely stopped releasing basic phones.

      Those aren't affected because they don't violate the patent. The patent covers shutting down extraneous features, not 'not having them to begin with'.

      With the added bonus of not having to pay patent ransom or waste battery with bullshit functions you didn't really want in the first place.

      So buy one of those phones then, if you want one. They are still out there.

    15. Re:Not too bad.. by kelzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are plenty of patents related to automobile airbags. Hasn't stopped them from becoming pervasive.

      These days patents aren't about differentiating your product, they're about protecting yourself from infringement charges from others through cross-licensing agreements. The bigger your patent portfolio, the more leverage you have.

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    16. Re:Not too bad.. by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative

      After all, if they intended to patent it "to stop others blocking it" they could just as easily have made it into prior art and it would have been cheaper to do.

      (Not that Apple is using this as a defensive measure, but if they were...) what's the easiest way to "make it into prior art"? And before you say "publish it", what's the easiest way to make it into prior art that the USPTO will be guaranteed to search? Easiest way is to file a nonprovisional application, let the USPTO publish it, and then abandon the app. Examiners always search the USPTO database for prior art... They don't always search other journals. So, while publishing it would help Apple invalidate a patent on this if someone else got the patent and sued for infringement, they would still have to go to court and fight an uphill battle - granted patents are presumed valid.

      So, other than a Statutory Invention Registration, the next best way to get something to be guaranteed prior art against anyone else is to file a nonprovisional and let the PTO publish.

    17. Re:Not too bad.. by TheSambassador · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because Apple has a patent on it, it doesn't mean that other phones won't have it. They may have to pay royalties, but most things on cell phones are patented.

      They're not going to be "punished to death for their arrogance," if their phone didn't have it then they're in the same situation as everybody right now, and probably most of the people with phones. This is an extra feature... if people want it, they can buy phones with it.

      I don't think see most people using this as an "emergency" such as a life-threatening situation. I see people using this as an "emergency" as in they're wasted and their phone is dead and they need to call for somebody to pick them up, or the "emergency" of being bored with a dead phone.

    18. Re:Not too bad.. by JustOK · · Score: 1

      But, then, they probably have something in the EULA.where you'd probably have to pay some sort of fee to Apple for the rest of your life.

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    19. Re:Not too bad.. by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean only save the lives of iPhone users... Everyone who chooses a different phone will be punished to death for their arrogance...

      Ah, but we can't assume that such measures would exist without apple. If not having this does so much damage, perhaps we should be thankful that it exists at all, that we even have an option of using it.

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    20. Re:Not too bad.. by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Not if phone manufacturers are dissuaded from adding this feature because they would either have to pay Apple royalties or risk being sued by them.

      There are plenty of patents on airbags, stability control, intermittent wipers, antilock breaks, etc. for the safety features on cars. That doesn't stop manufacturers from offering those features.

    21. Re:Not too bad.. by skroops · · Score: 2, Informative

      If Apple came out and guaranteed royalty free licensing for all then it would be a positive move for society.

      Are you serious? Why would apple invest time and money in developing a technology only to give it away for free? The entire submission is a troll. There are literally thousands of patents on 911 technologies. Just because 911 is a public service doesn't mean that it exists in a vacuum of altruism; people still spend money and make money deploying and developing these technologies, so naturally there are patents. And like any other market, if it is useful and desired by the consumer, it should be profitable, and then the company that made it makes money. I know it's trendy to demonize contemporary corporations --especially when it comes to patents-- but this is how capitalism works ... this is the USA.

    22. Re:Not too bad.. by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Except we already know the patent system ignores prior art.

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    23. Re:Not too bad.. by CaptainPatent · · Score: 1

      The obvious argument is that we've had phones that do that, they've just gone out of favor as cell phone companies have largely stopped releasing basic phones.

      With the added bonus of not having to pay patent ransom or waste battery with bullshit functions you didn't really want in the first place.

      But we don't have phones that do this. Just because those features are useless to you doesn't mean they're useless to everybody. By allowing a phone to have apps and services with the added bonus of low power mode in emergency situations, Apple is letting you have your cake and eat it too! Your solution equates to: "don't eat cake."

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    24. Re:Not too bad.. by westlake · · Score: 1

      With the added bonus of not having to pay patent ransom or waste battery with bullshit functions you didn't really want in the first place.

      It's become quite difficult to avoid adds for the Jitterbug -
      at least as you approach a certain age.

      But the feature-rich multifunction cell phone sells. It solves too many problems - and eliminates too many other gadgets that you would otherwise be carrying.

      The cell phone can be your navigator, your portable radio, your game machine, your video player and your access to the web.

    25. Re:Not too bad.. by hattig · · Score: 1

      This is absolutely ridiculous.

      Firstly, the vast majority of people don't actually own a spare phone battery, those that do are a minority (often business travellers) and they won't have the spare with them on a day to day basis. Therefore the common user benefits from having a larger battery that lasts longer (a LiPo instead of a LiIon for example).

      As for the memory getting wiped - you just resync with your computer. Really, how many people end up in life-or-death situations that necessitate eeking the last juice from the phone battery, when they are travelling home from the Apple store?

      The other ideas, like "I can't speak" buttons, are genuinely useful for emergency calls.

    26. Re:Not too bad.. by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "Actually doesn't seem like that bad of an idea for a patent. "

      As strange as this may sound I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I recently purchased a touchscreen Windows Mobile 6.1 smartphone and shortly after had a dream where I needed to dial 911 but key hitting the wrong touchscreen keys. I have a hard time when it's not an emergency, with the screen not recognizing input, adding or leaving out digits, so I can easily see where it would be very tough during and emergency, even if it is just three numbers.

      I'm glad to see someone had the insight to recognize this could be a problem and to try and do something about it. I'm disappointed in both Google and Microsoft for not recognizing the need for something like this, especially Microsoft since they've had smartphones for many more years than Apple.

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    27. Re:Not too bad.. by kgruscho · · Score: 1

      It would also be excellent PR for apple to provide this to the community. I could easily see them giving this away. It would be entirely in accordance with their brand that markets itself on: innovation, thinking different, being green.

      I do that they would expect to get more iphone sales by adding this feature, but by developing this feature better and before everyone else, their brand looks great.

    28. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-iPhone users just put in their spare batteries and are good to go.

    29. Re:Not too bad.. by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      While I see your point. It is important to realize that most successful patent trolls today are able to secure their patents even with existing prior art. Apple would be unwise to rely on that since they themselves have been victims of many trolls who have patented things Apple did years ago like folders, or transferring data over a network.

    30. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      no, dipshit, his solution equals "buy a slice of bread". It'd be very nice to have a simple, cheap, mechanically sound cell phone. Can I get one? No. I can't. I can get a razr that does all sorts of shit I don't want to pay for. I don't need a VGA screen on my cell phone. Seriously, about 2 lines of characters would do just fine. I don't need java on a cellphone. How about a lighter processor that uses less battery. I don't want to take shitty, grainy pictures with my phone. I want something that can take a drop into a puddle with good call quality. Nothing else. I'm not even that interested in super battery life, or super 911 or any of that bullshit.

    31. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone has run out of juice many times, on the way home at the end of the day. Yes, its an iphone, and the batter is starting to go south, but if I forget to charge it at work, it dies on the way home sometimes, depending on what I have done during the day. Suppose something happens to me on the way home and I need to dial 911.... Something like this would let me still make a 911 call, even if briefly to get help from a phone that is otherwise dead. Its a good idea. All phones should do this. I actually keep a Kensington external battery in my car, pull it out and re-charge every few weeks. If the phone dies, and I need it (and I have on occasion, though not for emergency) I just plug that into the bottom, give it a few minutes, and I can make a call. Charges the battery about 75%, then I just carry it into the house and charge that with the phone that night. Still a good idea

    32. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, same happens to me.

      and sometimes it even gets worse, the phone crashes or something stupid happens.

    33. Re:Not too bad.. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Can I get one?

      Of course you can. Try shopping for one.

      You could buy a Motorola V180 or a C139 for example.

      no memory card slot
      no edge (high speed internet)
      no wifi
      no bluetooth
      no camera

      Granted both sport a color display, but seriously, who cares? Its not using much juice or adding to the cost. These are both available for under US$50.00 with no contract.

      I want something that can take a drop into a puddle with good call quality.

      So buy a $20 rubber waterproof case for whatever unit you settle on.

    34. Re:Not too bad.. by m.ducharme · · Score: 1

      What's funny is, Nokia used to make a phone just like that (maybe they still do). Presumably you don't see them around because they don't sell well. Why wouldn't they sell well? Well if a prospective purchaser has to choose between two phones, both of which are "free" with a 3 year contract, it makes more sense to pick the phone that has a larger feature set, on the off chance that you might use those features in the future. Sure, you don't need the crappy camera, but who knows, someday you might be in a car accident and want to take pictures of the scene or something.

      Also, don't knock the razr, man. I accidentally ran one through the washing machine, and it still runs.

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    35. Re:Not too bad.. by jgrahn · · Score: 1

      Unless there's a bug in the system. In which case, your phone stops working when you need it the most. I can't help thinking that better power saving in normal operation might be a better solution. Easier to find bugs in normal operation too.

      Exactly. 911 calls would now be executed in a brand environment which most phones never enter. If you're lucky, the phone vendor has tested 911 calls, but it hasn't seen much real field testing. And dead people don't file bug reports ...

    36. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple being able to stop the competition does not imply that they will, for sure, stop the competition. If they do, then we'll have a much bigger reason to object.

    37. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firstly, the vast majority of people don't actually own a spare phone battery, those that do are a minority (often business travellers) and they won't have the spare with them on a day to day basis. Therefore the common user benefits from having a larger battery that lasts longer (a LiPo instead of a LiIon for example).

      Cell phone batteries (LiIon and LiPo) degrade with time. For a heavy user with 3G, gps & wifi, that could be a year or less before the max battery capacity declines to 50% or less.

      With a normal phone, you just buy a replacement battery. Looking on Amazon, a genuine OEM battery for my blackberry from a reputable retailer is less than $20, including shipping.

      How much will it cost to replace the battery on your iphone?

      Of course, in Apple-land you're supposed to replace your iphone every year (or less), and get screwed because AT&T will make you pay full price. That's how iphones avoid the battery problem.

    38. Re:Not too bad.. by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      You mean only save the lives of iPhone users... Everyone who chooses a different phone will be punished to death for their arrogance...

      More likely would be that Apple would propose this as an industry standard, and license it to all the other manufacturers. Look at Firewire--Apple owns the key patents, and yet you can find Firewire on non-Apple hardware.

    39. Re:Not too bad.. by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      This should not have been modded troll. The anonymous coward is quite right about the need for a user-replaceable battery.

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    40. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may be mistaken, but how is this any different than power saving modes that are commonly used in some computers already (such as laptops)? Also, I'm not positive but I believe many cellphones already have the capacity to recognize numbers. Isn't this just recognizing outgoing calls and falling back to power-save mode if the number matches a regular expression? IANAL, but it seems kind of flimsy as a patent to me.

    41. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually keep a Kensington external battery in my car, pull it out and re-charge every few weeks. If the phone dies, and I need it (and I have on occasion, though not for emergency) I just plug that into the bottom, give it a few minutes, and I can make a call. Charges the battery about 75%, then I just carry it into the house and charge that with the phone that night. Still a good idea

      So... why not just have an iphone car charger in your car? Is your car one of a handful without a cigarette lighter^H^H^H^H^H^H^H 12-volt port?

    42. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your phone lets you replace the battery mid-call?

    43. Re:Not too bad.. by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      if they intended to patent it "to stop others blocking it" they could just as easily have made it into prior art and it would have been cheaper to do.

      You're assuming the legal fees associated with a bogus lawsuit brought on by a patent troll somewhere down the line is cheaper than just getting the patent in the first place. Wrong.

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    44. Re:Not too bad.. by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Nokia 1xxx series is very popular. This series (except the old phones like 1611) are very basic and cheap. They are also easier to use (for computer illiterate people) than "normal" phones not to mention smartphones.

      OTOH, I have my N93 and I love it. Sure, I'd like HSDPA support, but currently it is the best phone for me, because I don't like touchscreen only phones and llike optical zoom. Sure, the pictures aren't good, but they are good enough to use the phone as a scanner (take a photo of some text). Oh, and I have bought a Bluetooth GPS receiver, so now I have GPS on my phone too :)

    45. Re:Not too bad.. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0

      Actually doesn't seem like that bad of an idea for a patent.

      You say that as if the story was implying it was a bad idea.

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    46. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man a doodly man only iPhone users a dodoley would be able a doodley to use an Apple invention.

    47. Re:Not too bad.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

      And yet, there's a licensing fee of fifty cents or WTFever it is (unless they lowered it again, or finally eliminated it.) If your goal is altruism you don't need to file a patent.

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    48. Re:Not too bad.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are plenty of patents related to automobile airbags. Hasn't stopped them from becoming pervasive.

      That's because airbags have been mandatory in the US since 1999, and actually since 1990 (for the driver) in vehicles without automatic seatbelts. (which explains to me finally why my 1989 Nissan 240SX had them, when in Canada you could get normal, inoffensive manual shoulder belts.)

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    49. Re:Not too bad.. by speedtux · · Score: 1

      Granted the system is full of abuse, but at least this one is well intentioned and could save a life.

      A patent means that fewer companies can implement the technique than if Apple hadn't applied for a patent. So, in fact, this is saying "screw you and die" to non-iPhone users.

    50. Re:Not too bad.. by MrMr · · Score: 1

      The modern three point safety belt was patented in 1962 by Volvo and the patent was made freely available to all; Probably saving a couple of million lives
      That sort of sick anti-capitalist behaviour would obviously no longer be tolerated by modern shareholders.

    51. Re:Not too bad.. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point, the post was a matter of avoiding the consequences of the patent. It's a much better solution to just not get a phone with unwanted features than to pay ransom money on a patent for temporarily disabling them if you're needing to call 911.

      Personally, that's probably what I'll do, the problem tends to be that there's this huge gulf between full function and basic which isn't very well populated. Which is completely ridiculous considering that only a minority of cell phone users actually use more than a few of the features. A surprising number couldn't figure out how to use the extra functions even if they wanted to.

      With that in mind, it makes more sense to me, for manufacturers to just spend more time paying attention to what features people actually use, rather than throwing them in just because.

    52. Re:Not too bad.. by icebike · · Score: 1

      But this feature should be MANDATED on all phones, not PATENTED by one manufacturer.

      There are some things that society needs to the extent that patents should not be granted. (Yes, I realize this is a pretty far stretch in the present case, and if the iPhone didn't have such a lame battery it wouldn't be a problem).

      But still, (obligatory car analogy) are crumple zones in the front of automobiles patented? Are seat belts patented. Is the yellow line down the center of a roadway patented?

      Unless or until we legislate Forced Licensing with capped royalties, there are some inventions for which patents should not be granted.

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    53. Re:Not too bad.. by icebike · · Score: 1

      With a building laying on top of you, or upside down in a car crash?

      Think before you post.

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    54. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that your post denied the perfection inherent in
      [x] Apple
      [ ] Free software
      [ ] Linux engineering
      [x] The free market
      [x] Technocracy

      which you did by
      [x] providing a historical background
      [ ] suggesting more government control
      [ ] suggesting less government control
      [x] reproaching the subject of the article
      [ ] supplying contradictory evidence
      [x] advocating an alternative course of action

      for which you have been duly
      [ ] Ostracised
      [x] Ignored
      [x] Modded troll
      [ ] Modded flamebait
      [ ] Modded overrated
      [ ] Added as a foe by one or more users.

      In future, remember to
      [x] Look for posts modded highly and follow their line of argument
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      Thanks for visiting Slashdot, where everyone's an individual.

    55. Re:Not too bad.. by icebike · · Score: 1

      The obvious counter argument is that it wouldn't have been worked on in the first place because it would have given them no competitive advantage without the patent, so the 'life saving feature' would never have been developed, and those "lives would not have saved".

      The obvious counter argument, like so much else of what SEEMS obvious, is false.

      If Apple had a decent battery life they would not need such desperate measures. This gives them no real advantage (only an advertising advantage), all it does is get them some slight bit less far behind the battery life of regular phones.

      People invent the vast majority of things out of personal curiosity. (Like wireless telephones for example: http://www.google.com/patents?id=tMxIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0_0 ).

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    56. Re:Not too bad.. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Which 4 people think that's insightful? If Apple was well-intentioned then they would just make it a feature, and announce that they're making it a feature. The only reason they would patent this is to stop their competitors from using it. It's not an excuse to say that they would patent it to stop someone else from doing the same and then charging them, because surely no company is a big enough douche to patent emergency mode on a cell phone.

      Thanks, Apple.

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    57. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not everything there is all that obvious except in hindsight (some of it is). But that's beside the point.

      "The patent covers the fact that the phone will do these things (the easy part), not the technical details of how it will do them (the hard part)."

      Patents *can't* do that. I can't find the original patent application but I'm pretty sure if you drill down into the claims they will explain "the hard part". In slashdot stories, nobody ever does that, and they handwave that the patent system has been corrupted such that concepts can be patented, but I've not actually seen that happen.

    58. Re:Not too bad.. by AJNeufeld · · Score: 1

      Prior art? How about the reserve tank on a Motorcycle? You move a lever, and you can operate the motorcycle to the nearest gas-station. I can't see this patent passing.

    59. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "trolls who have patented things Apple did years ago like folders, or transferring data over a network." ... the 1950s called, they want their engineers ba-----they want to kick apple's ass, sorry about the confusion.

    60. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This offers some flexibility. I can plug it in and carry it out of the car and use the phone while it is charging. With a car charger, the phone would have to say in the car. I could have both, but that would be just another thing to keep track of in the car (already have GPS, radar detector and ipod/iphone cable to stereo.)

    61. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a list of things that are patented:

      seat belts
      airbags
      safety harnesses
      safety glass
      nomex fire retardant suits

      this is not an exhaustive list by any stretch... but these thing are used widely and nobody is bitching that the patents are in some way dissuading their use. you're argument is not only invalid, but retarded as well. dont post to /. if you are so blinded by your distate for IP rights and/or apple that it turns you into a blithering idiot

    62. Re:Not too bad.. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      What's the discovery, invention, or innovation here?

      Apple never innovates, they just market well.

    63. Re:Not too bad.. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      There are lots of phones like that on the market. Except for the screen thing, which is frustrating...

      But none of those phones are sexy. In exactly the same way that a garbage truck is not sexy. They get the job done with very little maintenance, but their lack of frills makes them feel utilitarian.

      Their lack of the very features you decry are precisely the reason you have been ignoring them!

      Phones are jewelry now, as watches have been for some time. Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to spend $1200 on a stupid phone with features you won't use than on a bracelet made of shiny metal and inset with white crystalline carbon allotropes mined at the low cost of children's fingers and overall health.

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    64. Re:Not too bad.. by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      I paid $20 for an old Motorola V400 on eBay. Quad band GSM and unlocked, so it works in most countries - I've had local SIM cards for Croatia, Hong Kong, and Thailand. Sound quality, battery life, and reliability are way better than my expensive Samsung SCH-i760 smart phone.

      I was ready to smash the Samsung after the one time I called 911 on it. The 911 call worked, but it got stuck in emergency mode and it took at least two complete reboots before I could get the thing to make regular calls again. As soon as the contract's up I'm ditching it and going to the simplest phone they've got - I'd use the V400 as my primary phone but GSM coverage sucks where I live.

    65. Re:Not too bad.. by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      That is a very good point. Wish I had mods for ya.

    66. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean only save the lives of iPhone users... Everyone who chooses a different phone will be punished to death for their arrogance...

      Since when has Apple brought legal action against every single patent they own? Companies patent everything possible these days not always so they can sue others, but so they can protect themselves from patent claims. If you own the patent to something, you don't have to worry about infringements.

      And do you really think Apple would try to collect royalties on such things as emergency calls? Don't be stupid.

      More naive anti-Apple BS.

    67. Re:Not too bad.. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      True, but it was still a troll, since it constituting picking on Apple.

      It was a subtle way of reminding people that Apple doesn't have a design team competent to do a case design that incorporates a removable battery. Sealed-unit case design is a snap. Designing a case with a robust openable battery department is beyond Apple's capabilities. All I need to do is look at previous designs. My Newton has a terrible battery compartment, and scotch tape has been needed to seal it for a long time, now.

      This is mobile.slashdot.org though, so we should really be allowed to say critical things. I think apple.slashdot.org is just a redirect to an Apple-owned server. There, critical comments are just unacceptable.

    68. Re:Not too bad.. by sarahbau · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are crumple zones patented? Yes. Are seat belts patented? Yes. Just because they're patenting it, it doesn't mean they're doing so in order to sue people. Most patents are used to prevent the company from being sued.

    69. Re:Not too bad.. by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Prior art? How about the reserve tank on a Motorcycle? You move a lever, and you can operate the motorcycle to the nearest gas-station. I can't see this patent passing.

      So, you're saying that one skilled in the art of electronics telecommunications devices, viewing a motorcycle reserve tank, would instantly understand how to apply it to a phone?

      Anyways, no, this isn't a reserve tank. This would be closer to a multi-cylinder engine shutting down several cylinders or reducing horsepower to save fuel.

    70. Re:Not too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry -- your insightful post which shows the benefits of the patent system has no place here.

    71. Re:Not too bad.. by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      That was my point...

    72. Re:Not too bad.. by rpopescu · · Score: 1

      I was, of course, being sarcastic.

    73. Re:Not too bad.. by suzerain · · Score: 1

      Err...you could just have been out all day and your phone - replaceable battery or not - is just drained.

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    74. Re:Not too bad.. by smbell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Should crumple zones be patented? No. Should seat belts be patented? No.

      These aren't novel ideas. They weren't when they were created (and I question that there is a patent on seat belts, citation?). If the patent system was working correctly we should be seeing tens of patents a year rather than tens of thousands.

  3. I patent super emergency mode by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

    That would squeeze the last drop of energy out of the batteries, by stabbing them and causing a small explosion to attract help.

    1. Re:I patent super emergency mode by jo42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's called "smoke signal mode". I believe indigenous North American peoples have prior art on this...

  4. So people not using an iPhone won't be able to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if I get this straight, patenting this 'technique' will make sure that people who choose to buy a non-apple phone wont be able to call emergency services untill the last drop of battery power unless the other phone manufacturers break this patent.
    Patenting something like this sounds pretty irresponsible to me...

  5. Screams "action movie" by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Funny

    The protagonist is being tracked using GPS locked onto their phone, they realise this and dial 911 which puts the phone into a low power state and kills the GPS signal.

    Trust me, it's a lot more exciting than just turning the phone off.

    1. Re:Screams "action movie" by mrstrano · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It might be better to keep the GPS on in situations of 'extreme' distress. Let's assume you are so sick you can't even talk. Then when you call 911 the phone might recognize you are not talking and synthetise a message saying for example 'The owner of this phone appears to be in extreme distress and at this moment the GPS says that he is at X address. Please send an ambulance at the address'.

      You could apply the same concept to action movies too. Like Jack Bauer being trapped and unable to talk that calls CIA head quarters :)

    2. Re:Screams "action movie" by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like Jack Bauer being trapped and unable to talk that calls CIA head quarters

      Also known as Kiefer Sutherland drunk dialing.

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    3. Re:Screams "action movie" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be interesting, considering nearly all new phones have a GPS chip specifically for E911.

      Maybe in a non-Hollywood scenario, it'd send your location and then shutoff the GPS chip. Or store the current location in memory every few seconds or minutes, and use that when 911 is called, sort of like a GPS-enabled ELT or PLB.

    4. Re:Screams "action movie" by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      FTA:

      GPS might not be considered non-essential, however, as it could help emergency workers find the caller - quite useful in case the caller, say, breaks his leg hiking in a remote area./blockquote

  6. Is a Good Idea = a patent? by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have trouble accepting this type of Good Idea needs to be patentable.

    But then, when the same institution makes computer algorithms patentable maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

    This is very much comparable to the One Click fiasco, you get a couple of desirable but common applications linked to a single action and Bingo!

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    1. Re:Is a Good Idea = a patent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly it's a patentable good idea the same way the pencil eraser is a good idea.

    2. Re:Is a Good Idea = a patent? by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      Given this is an Apple article, don't you mean 'and 'Boom!''?

  7. Don't cry wolf by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    There is a little girl in a red riding hood that needs help. Here is a real life story: http://vimeo.com/3514904

    She is under attack from a wolf, and would need a phone, without patent restrictions.

    Will Apple's move have that girl killed? What do the iPhone dudes think of, really?

    1. Re:Don't cry wolf by causality · · Score: 1

      Will Apple's move have that girl killed? What do the iPhone dudes think of, really?

      Money.

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    2. Re:Don't cry wolf by dangitman · · Score: 1

      She is under attack from a wolf, and would need a phone, without patent restrictions.

      Good luck with that. Every phone has patent restrictions.

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  8. I'm off to patent breathing by youn · · Score: 1

    sounds like a good business idea too....

    are they ever gonna fix the patent system?

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  9. Eh.. by rcbuse · · Score: 1

    From a software standpoint, I think the last thing I want my phone doing when I dial 911 is disabling hardware components, killing applications and reducing the phone's processor speed. Seems like thats ripe for the phone just locking up on me. I would much rather it just keep running in the mode it spends 99.9% of its time in.

    1. Re:Eh.. by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Consuming battery power unnecessarily?

      I have to figure the computational power that is "barely adequate" for the sole purpose of sending and receiving voice over a cellular connection is nowhere near as complex as the computational power needed to drive the touch screen, or for that matter, the raw power needed to drive the backlight, especially as the last thing you'd be doing with the phone while making an emergency call is looking at the fucking screen.

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  10. save power make noise by legirons · · Score: 2, Insightful

    would "unncessary power use" include loud audible alarms?

  11. Can you do that? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Can you patent something and then guarantee royalty-free licensing? Maybe even no-need-to-ask, "cite and go" licensing or something like that? If so, we should be cranking these out 24x7!

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  12. *** non-essential hardware components *** by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Including the built-in kitchen sink? :P

  13. Batteries only have so much power. by yourassOA · · Score: 1

    It is measured in Amps or Milliamps usually in the case of cell phone batteries. Once the juice is gone its gone you can't magically make more through software.
    I have a two year old Samsung and when the battery gets low it turns off the little beep when you press a key and it turns down the brightness on the LCD. And how do you make a call harder to disconnect? Does Apple have special cell towers for the I-Phone or are they using the same shitty towers everyone else is. Leave it to Apple to try and sell/patent a feature that other phone companies have incorporated into their phones for years.

    1. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The disconnect button will move around on the touch-screen.

    2. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      There's 2 (configurable) levels of importance. One level, the disconnect button is disabled (the call won't disconnect until the other party hangs up, you run out of battery, or the connection is lost). The other requires you to confirm after you hit the disconnect button.

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    3. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is measured in Amps or Milliamps usually in the case of cell phone batteries. Once the juice is gone its gone you can't magically make more through software.

      Power isn't measured in amps, and also isn't the same thing as battery capacity.

      Battery capacity is measured in milliamp-hours (even though does not allow direct comparison, in terms of stored energy, between batteries of different voltages), where 1 mAh would allow one milliamp to be drawn for one hour before the battery dies. If you can draw less current (fewer milliamps), you can get more running time (more hours, making up the same number of mAh), and this is how the software "makes more juice": it turns off various non-vital hardware, and presumably turns off non-vital software, meaning the processor is in power-save mode more of the time.

      It's not about getting more power from the battery so much as reducing the amount of power you get from the battery.

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    4. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by yourassOA · · Score: 1

      Thats funny my truck, boat and camper all have batteries who's capacity is measured by amps. The electric trolling motor uses 250 amps an hour so if I have a battery with 1000 amps the motor will run for 4 hours.
      And mAh is a silly measure kind of like a carpenter using board feet ( 1 inch x 12 inch x 12 inch). Board feet come in real handy when you are trying to figure out how many 2x4's you need for a project (2x4 is 1.5x3.5 inches). So while board feet is a technically correct way to measure lumber it is highly impractical.

    5. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      The electric trolling motor uses 250 amps an hour so if I have a battery with 1000 amps the motor will run for 4 hours.

      No, the battery is 1000 Amp-hours, not amps.

      The you get:
      1000*A*h/(250*A) = 4*h

      Phone batteries are small, so their capacity is measured in mAh, where 1Ah=1000mAh. Energy of batteries can be measured in joules (J) or kWh (1kWh=3.6MJ). Energy of small batteries is measured in Wh (1Wh=3.6kJ).

    6. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      No, your motor uses 250 amps, always.

      Amperes are a unit of current. Current over time is amp hours.

      (Multiply it by voltage and you get energy consumption in watt hours.)

      When you compare two batteries, you usually already have a given voltage your battery operated equipment needs, so the only thing that matters for capacity comparison are the amp hours.

      Ampere hours are the fancy name for 3600 coulombs, the SI unit of electric charge.

      (Just how watt hours are a fancy name for 3600 joules of energy.)

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    7. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. The phone ceases to work if the battery voltage drops below the minimum required. The voltage not only drops with time (while drawing a constant or low current), but it also drops significantly when you draw high currents. Therefore you could still get some use out of a battery that is almost discharged when you limit the current draw, whereas you could probably do nothing at all if you were runnig the CPU at full frequency, the display backlight at max and the camera at the same time.

    8. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Battery longevity depends upon usage. One of the most important elements is known as "Depth of Discharge" (DoD). That's the fraction of the battery's theoretical capacity which you discharge during a normal cycle.

      The longevity, or "cycle life" depends heavily on the depth of discharge. With, for instance, lithium ion cells typically lasting for roughly 500 cycles (the number of cycles before the capacity is reduced by half) at a DoD of 80%.

      If that was your design point, then in an emergency you most certainly can still access the remaining capacity at a cost of damaging the cell more severely than an ordinary cycle. In the extreme case where you are somehow able to discharge all the way to zero, or even past it, you can kill a battery with just the one cycle. You might need to use a charge pump to get the very last "drops", as there is a point at which the voltage falls off very quickly in modern cells.

      Still, depending on the battery, in certain emergencies, it would definitely be worth it.

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    9. Re:Batteries only have so much power. by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, CDMA phones usually have a freely accessible (yet hidden) programming menu that, among other things, let you specify whether you want the phone to run in HDR or 1X only. 1X only disables most advanced functionality of the phone, yet you can still place calls and you can still send txt messages, and contextually-important, the phone consumes much less power. HDR-only I've found is only really useful in places like Lake Havasu City, Arizona, where the town is served by a county-wide municipal cellphone company that doesn't support Verizon HDR applications, yet portions of the city are just close enough to pick up a Verizon tower from a very long distance. Can't place calls in HDR-only mode, nor send txt messages, but applications like assisted GPS and web browsing are doable.

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  14. This should not be exempt from patentability by Grond · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many posters have already suggested that this should not be patentable because it's a potentially life-saving feature. Critical reflection shows why that argument does not hold much water.

    A new treatment or cure for a fatal disease is also life-saving, but few would argue that drugs should not be patentable.

    Alternatively, consider the invention of the automatic external defibrillator. This is also a life-saving device, and much of its utility stems from software and an effective user interface (e.g., spoken commands to the user), but there are no calls to force AED technology into the public domain.

    Careful reading of the patent application shows that its essential features could be replicated on any smart phone and a subset could even be implemented on a non-smart phone. The fact that phone manufacturers have not implemented these features in the decade or so that it would have been possible to do so suggests two possibilities: One, that the features are actually not that useful or important; Two, that the features and their implementation here are actually far from obvious.

    If the former is the case, then we shouldn't care about the application because it pertains to something of such limited value that the dozens of phone manufacturers and telecom companies never saw fit to implement it. If the latter is the case, then Apple is rightly to be rewarded for developing a useful feature and, presumably, bringing it to market. Without patent protection, Apple is much less likely to invest time and effort developing new features for its products, including potentially life-saving features like this one.

    Finally, I think we should withhold our ultimate judgment until the patent is granted or denied. The examination process may turn up prior art that blocks the application entirely or it may cause the claims to be substantially narrowed. Faced with a less than optimal patent, Apple may abandon the application. This story is a bit like judging a piece of software based on an alpha version.

    1. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by yourassOA · · Score: 1

      AED's are not a common device like a cell phone and should only be used by people trained and with a ticket to use them not Joe-blow member of the public. This is not the case with cell phones considering the technology to dim the LCD screen (it's a voltage change, lower the voltage dim the screen duh) has always been around and was not invented by Apple.

    2. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Grond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AED's are not a common device like a cell phone and should only be used by people trained and with a ticket to use them not Joe-blow member of the public.

      Common enough that they are in virtually every mall, casino, and airport in the US. But that's ultimately beside the point: that Apple's life-saving invention can be used by just about anyone actually argues in favor of its non-obviousness because it's harder to develop effective technologies that everyone can use. For example, despite years of development and lots of potential value, no one has yet developed an AED that can be safely used by someone who has no training.

      Regarding the screen dimming: the patent does not claim all uses of voltage lowering to dim the LCD. It claims only the use of this power-saving feature when an emergency call is placed.

    3. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Exactly. One of the complaints about one-click is that it's obvious; Amazon has the patent because they were there early. Many companies setting up an online store would independently think to add a one-click buying feature (or think of it and decide it was stupid --- one-click is only useful with downloads, IMO). Well, the iPhone is 2 years old. Smart phones are 17 years old (IBM Simon -- 1992/1993). Seventeen years.

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    4. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by yourassOA · · Score: 1

      It claims only the use of this power-saving feature when an emergency call is placed.
      So only apple should be able to dim their LCD when the battery is low. So by your logic if I make an emergency call my phone should not be able to dim the screen if the battery is low? My phone should only be able to dim the screen if my call is not an emergency? So if my battery is almost dead and my phone in power save mode and I call 911 my phone should turn off the power saving features and quickly kill my remaining battery before my call is finished so Apples patents are not infringed upon. Methinks you own an I-Phone.

    5. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Grond · · Score: 2, Informative

      So only apple should be able to dim their LCD when the battery is low. So by your logic if I make an emergency call my phone should not be able to dim the screen if the battery is low?

      That's not what the application claims. The applications claims "if the phone call is an emergency call, activating an emergency mode of the mobile phone to handle the phone call, wherein the emergency mode prolongs the length of the phone call." It does not claim taking battery saving measures in response to a low battery state, whether an emergency call is in progress or not. It is proactive rather than reactive.

    6. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One, that the features are actually not that useful or important; Two, that the features and their implementation here are actually far from obvious.

      More like "most phone manufacturers are more concerned with changing the 'look' of the phone than adding useful features." While I'm not a huge Apple fan, I think that they are doing a good job of trying to make the smart phone a complete experience, not just a checklist of features that have no thought put towards how to integrate them with each other.

      Most other manufacturers are more concerned with adding features like cameras and video capture than improving what they already have. They just see E911 as a checklist requirement and as soon as they are compliant no more thought it put into it.

    7. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AEDs require no training. You open the automated external defibrillator (AED) and it starts talking to you walking you through the steps you need to take. It will tell you to do chest compressions and will scan if it needs to deliver shock and tell you when it is going to.

    8. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      few would argue that drugs should not be patentable

      Maybe not in the United States..

    9. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The whole point if an AED is to reduce the training required to render lifesaving defibrillation assistance down to the level of "untrained idiot who happens by." If your company makes AEDs which require "proper training" to operate beyond "follow the pictorial or verbal instructions," you're doing it wrong.

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    10. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      A new treatment or cure for a fatal disease is also life-saving, but few would argue that drugs should not be patentable.

      No, many regular joes would argue that drugs should not be patentable, but that's in reaction to pharmaceutical companies engaged in the act of price-gouging as a standard practice.

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    11. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      Many posters have already suggested that this should not be patentable because it's a potentially life-saving feature. Critical reflection shows why that argument does not hold much water.

      I would argue that this should not be patentable because it's a software method. Imagine if people had been patenting good ideas in software since the beginning of computing. How quickly would things have developed if a patent owner was sitting on an idea and no one else could build upon it?

      • Patent for converting written text that describes a series of logical steps into a format that can be run directly by the computer
      • Patent for executing commands at a prompt via a keyboard
      • Patent for running more than one task at a time on a computer
      • Patent for responding to more than one user at a time on a computer
      • Patent for communicating with other computers over a network
      • Patent for formatting output for a teletype, plotter, or other external printing device
      • Patent for displaying information and accepting user input in a graphical environment that uses "desktop" metaphors to represent information
      • Patent for interacting with software "buttons" as a method to interact with a user: buttons, radio buttons, checkboxes, fields, text boxes, and other input
      • ...
      • Patent to allow a mobile phone to disable non-critical features, make it more difficult to accidentally disconnect, and provide a method for interacting non-verbally with the receiver (such as through software "buttons") when the user dials an emergency number (such as 911 or 999).

      Software patents are stupid.

    12. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      I would argue that this should not be patentable because it's a software method. Imagine if people had been patenting good ideas in software since the beginning of computing. How quickly would things have developed if a patent owner was sitting on an idea and no one else could build upon it?

      • Patent for converting written text that describes a series of logical steps into a format that can be run directly by the computer
      • Patent for executing commands at a prompt via a keyboard
      • Patent for running more than one task at a time on a computer
      • Patent for responding to more than one user at a time on a computer
      • Patent for communicating with other computers over a network
      • Patent for formatting output for a teletype, plotter, or other external printing device
      • Patent for displaying information and accepting user input in a graphical environment that uses "desktop" metaphors to represent information
      • Patent for interacting with software "buttons" as a method to interact with a user: buttons, radio buttons, checkboxes, fields, text boxes, and other input
      • ...
      • Patent to allow a mobile phone to disable non-critical features, make it more difficult to accidentally disconnect, and provide a method for interacting non-verbally with the receiver (such as through software "buttons") when the user dials an emergency number (such as 911 or 999).

      Software patents are stupid.

      You've got a great list there... But curiously, no citations. And I wasn't able to find a single one through a quick google.

      Furthermore, you seem to be "quoting" titles. Titles aren't patents. Patents cover claims. Unless you're quoting claims, that's like saying a book violates Tolkein's copyright simply by looking at the cover and noticing that there's a short guy in the picture.

    13. Re:This should not be exempt from patentability by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      You seem to have missed the entire point of my post. I said: Imagine if people had been patenting good ideas in software since the beginning of computing. How quickly would things have developed if a patent owner was sitting on an idea and no one else could build upon it? Then, a list of some examples of some software methods that could have been patented in the past, if we patented software methods back then. In theory, when these concepts were new, you might claim in a patent filing that the methods were non-obvious (the usual test applied in patent filings.) Today, these software methods are commonplace and most are trivial (even implemented as college-level programming assignments.) The list was meant as an example how patents on these software methods clearly would have blocked or hampered technology progress up to today.

      Apple's patent is really a software method. And it's stupid to allow software methods to be patentable.

      Apple's patent filing, "Method and system for prolonging emergency calls," describes a system for determining when a call is an emergency call, then implementing a number of different tactics to help facilitate the call - deactivating Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, or various sensors, making it harder to (accidentally) hang up, and providing options for "emergency phrase buttons," all via pre-recorded audio messages. Hey, that's a software method!

  15. Prior Art? by cnaumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have turned off the AC in my car and reduced my speed in the hopes that I could get to a gas station before running out of gas. Isn't that about the same thing?

    How about a car with an emergency reserve gas tank that is activated by a lever inside the car?

    I suppose that running the batteries completely flat may harm them. Basically they are claiming a patent on overriding the shutdown feature designed to protect the batteries and using a low power mode. That does not seem original. Granted, coupling this with a 911 call is kind of clever.

    1. Re:Prior Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lever that activates an emergency fuel reserve? Standard on VW bugs 50 years ago. Last bug I had was a '66 and it still had this feature.

    2. Re:Prior Art? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you'll find that most patents are actually ridiculously specific. If you tried to claim prior art with that car analogy, you'd be laughed out of court.

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    3. Re:Prior Art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some pickups have a feature similar to this... dual tanks. You can have the switch set to tanks 1+2, tank 1, or tank 2. In this way, if you ran out on tank 1 somehow, flip the switch and you'll have another 20 some gallons to go

    4. Re:Prior Art? by westlake · · Score: 1

      Isn't that about the same thing?

      Your car analogy isn't prior art.

      It is simply suggestive, it might get someone thinking.

      The idea isn't what you patent. It's the machine - or system - that you patent.

    5. Re:Prior Art? by PPH · · Score: 1

      How about a car with an emergency reserve gas tank that is activated by a lever inside the car?

      Prior art. Go find an old Volkswagen Beetle.

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    6. Re:Prior Art? by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      I think that if you could just use a car analogy as a claim to prior art, nothing would be patentable.

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    7. Re:Prior Art? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      I have turned off the AC in my car and reduced my speed in the hopes that I could get to a gas station before running out of gas. Isn't that about the same thing?

      Nope. Getting to a gas station with gas still in the tank is not an emergency, and I dare you to call 911 to bitch about your car running out of bangwater.

      How about a car with an emergency reserve gas tank that is activated by a lever inside the car?

      Prone to breakage, also if that fuel is rarely used then you run the risk of screwing something up, as gasoline gets rather nasty the longer it sits unused. Ran into this with an old Chevy Camaro that sat on the driveway for several years. Had a full tank, new battery and ran fine before it was declared non-op (to save on annual registration fees, obviously), and attempting to start it seriously fucked shit up cuz the gas was several years old. How do you reconcile bricking the engine to be all that useful in an "emergency?"

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  16. Old News and already prior art by loose+electron · · Score: 1

    There are many examples of electronics devices being dropped into power save mode for one reason or another. This one can be walked over using prior art examples.

    Move on everyone, nothing exciting going on here.....

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  17. OOH. Can't wait for the field tests. by dmomo · · Score: 1

    How are they going to QA this in a production setting? Stage kidnappings? Bombings? I'd stay clear of the next Mac World. Shit's going DOWN!

  18. Cellphones already do some of this by DrDitto · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to work for a major cellphone manufacturer.

    Cellphones already go into a special emergency mode. All phones definitely scan for more towers beyond those in the PRL list (preferred roaming list). I believe phones may also increase Tx power if battery is good and the CDMA noise floor is high.

    One big problem I recall: it is not as well tested. The Verizon phone guys aren't going to yell "do you hear me now" at 911 operators. We had once instance where it was discovered that the 911 mode had a software bug and caused the phone to crash. That caused an immediate "stop ship". We definitely had to improve the synthetic 911 testing environment...

    1. Re:Cellphones already do some of this by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 1

      ... PRL list (preferred roaming list).

      This message was brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

    2. Re:Cellphones already do some of this by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Cellphones already go into a special emergency mode. All phones definitely scan for more towers beyond those in the PRL list (preferred roaming list). I believe phones may also increase Tx power if battery is good and the CDMA noise floor is high.

      Of course they do. Get access to the phone's programming menu and anyone can see this for themselves. Also, there is the AOC to consider, my understanding being 0-9 is determined by phone number and is effectively random, whereas 10-14 is reserved for governmental use and 15 is reserved for emergency calls. I must say the temptation is always there to bump up my aircard's AOC to 15.

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  19. Seems to fail the obvious test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dumber cellphone already has 911 modes. My dumber cellphone already warns me when power is low. My smarter computer already has power failure modes as do so many embedded systems. How is making a cellphone with 911 and power failure modes not obvious?

  20. Re:So people not using an iPhone won't be able to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean other manufacturers phones will continue to work the same way they work today because they didn't spend time thinking about features like this? Sounds pretty irresponsible to me.

  21. Not new by parlancex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although it sounds like what they're proposing here has some good ideas, the concept isn't groundbreaking. My Blackberry has an emergency callback mode and I've seen in action once. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/deliverables/1487/About_Emergency_Callback_Mode_26287_11.jsp

  22. Good idea by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No debate on the ethics of patents or patenting a potentially life-saving idea... but, there is a very interesting possibility here.

    LIPO/LIION batteries, if fully discharged, cannot be recharged (at least not safely, by an end-user). All modern electronics electronics that use rechargeable lithium include charge controllers which protect the battery from deep discharge, and overcharge. The discharge protection could be disabled in the case of a 911 call, and provide a significant amount of battery life (perhaps 5-10%) at the expense of the battery. The user could be briefly warned on-screen while placing the call that it could destroy the battery, but in a life or death situation, what's $50?

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    1. Re:Good idea by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      That is assuming the batteries are manufactured with the possibility of overriding those safety electronics in the first place.

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  23. My last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two second gen. Nokias had this function and one of them was at least 8 years older than iphone or any apple phone.

    You can't patent what you do not own Jobs! (or can you?)

  24. It's called a good offense by aarroneous · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but isn't it obvious that Apple has to try to do at least this to build a history to support any case against patent trolls?

  25. R&D costs, solutions are easy by Blymie · · Score: 1

    Come now.

    It isn't a big deal that it is a patent. The US government spends billions (trillions?) per year, in R&D, and on everything from warfare to space travel to disease control.

    There is no reason the government should not pass a bill, that states that any such patent as this (safety, public good), could have a value assigned to them by an arbitrator. Once assigned, the state would buy the patent, and release it for all phones in the US to use.

    Other governments could do the same.

    R&D costs, ideas are important, and compensation should be paid. At market value.

    1. Re:R&D costs, solutions are easy by Grond · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is no reason the government should not pass a bill, that states that any such patent as this (safety, public good), could have a value assigned to them by an arbitrator.

      There are very good reasons why that's a bad idea. First, patent valuation is notoriously difficult. The literature on this is extensive and there are no good solutions, despite decades of research and a small fortune to be made from accurately valuing patents, which has many, many applications (e.g., determining R&D priorities, evaluating mergers and acquisitions, bankruptcy, etc).

      Second, what is well established is that the market is a very effective evaluator of the worth of ideas and technologies. Patents allow innovators to let the market decide on the value of their products and services, which also gives them invaluable feedback on the direction their future R&D should take.

      Finally, here is a hypothetical that demonstrates the above:

      Consider a world without SMS, circa 1995 prior to the widespread use of cellphones. Some enterprising engineer discovers a slice of bandwidth that can be used for sending short text messages and patents it. Now imagine that the primary use envisioned for this is the sending of emergency messages to a 911-type service, which is very useful for someone who can't hear or speak because of the nature of the emergency or because they are deaf or mute. Under your scheme, the patent is seized and an arbitrator would probably decide that this is worth some modest amount as an emergency service.

      Now, fast-forward 10 years and generalized SMS is an incredibly popular technology used for all kinds of purposes. Too bad for the inventor, of course, because neither he or she nor the arbitrator foresaw where the market would take the technology. If the property right had remained with the inventor, he or she could have licensed it to various phone manufacturers and telecoms and made a much more appropriate amount as SMS grew in popularity. Ex ante valuation of patents will always suffer such problems.

    2. Re:R&D costs, solutions are easy by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Nationalizing the brilliance of invention for the good of the State? Doesn't that seem rather counterproductive if the State is to have the unfettered power to screw over everyone who has a good idea just so that they don't have to pay licensing fees? I think the reason why the US government, assuming it has this power, exercises it so seldomly is that it's much less hassle to just pay the licensing fee.

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  26. Mod parent up. by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mod parent up. Most of this is already standard, and mandated by the FCC. The new stuff is just some iPhone-specific problems that Apple has to deal with. All the nonessential guck in the phone needs to be switched off during emergency calls.

    911 calls have at least the following FCC-mandated features.

    • Billing problems must be bypassed. 911 calls must go through even if the cell phone has no account, the billing system is down, the phone is roaming out of area, or the local provider can't contact the home provider for billing passthrough.
    • Transmit power management is disabled. Cell phones go to full power in emergency mode. (Yes, battery drain goes up.)
    • If the phone cannot connect to a cell site of its own system, after 17 seconds it must try to connect to any cell site of any system it can reach. Phones used to fall over to analog roam when necessary, before analog AMPS went down.
    • GPS information is transmitted.
    • A higher QoS is specified within the cell phone network, so emergency calls get in ahead of non-emergency traffic.
    • The call is not easily disconnected until the emergency operator releases it, although there's usually some way to force disconnect from the cell phone end.

    It's not like Apple just invented "emergency mode".

    1. Re:Mod parent up. by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Most of this is already standard, and mandated by the FCC. The new stuff is just some iPhone-specific problems that Apple has to deal with. All the nonessential guck in the phone needs to be switched off during emergency calls.

      ... It's not like Apple just invented "emergency mode".

      Sounds like they did, to solve those "iPhone-specific problems that Apple has to deal with". But it's not like Apple just invented dialing 9-1-1.

    2. Re:Mod parent up. by green1 · · Score: 1

      Transmit power management is disabled. Cell phones go to full power in emergency mode. (Yes, battery drain goes up.)

      (emphasis mine)

      And this is considered a GOOD idea??? the last thing I want happening in an emergency is my battery going dead FASTER than it would normally!

  27. power by confused+one · · Score: 4, Informative

    The important advantage people seem to be missing is the patent allows extended use of the battery. Li-Ion batteries have a discharge threshold, below which the cell is damaged and can not be recharged. The charge protection circuit usually cuts off the power, to save the cells, when this point is reached. In an emergency, it's a really good idea to be able to bypass this protection. It's an emergency, you're not going to care if you ruin the battery; but, you may care that you can get an extra 10-20% more talk time out of the battery.

    1. Re:power by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      And they get a $90 battery change as a bonus! Who says Jobs wasn't thinking?

      (Note: I suspect there will be a couple of orders of magnitude more use of this in either testing, or in cell-phone-addict-abuse, than actual use in emergencies. Serves them right if you ask me.)

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    2. Re:power by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Buy them on the OEM market. Regular-capacity batteries are only a couple of bucks for the vast majority of phones, and extended-capacity batteries run around the same price OEM as the regular ones do at retail.

      If your intent is to be crazy prepared, buy them OEM off of Amazon in bulk. I do this moreso because the damn batteries are so cheaply made in the first place that they lose their capacitance after about a year's worth (or less) of use anyways.

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  28. Awesome by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 1

    I actually get really infuriated with my Verizon phone for giving me little to no warning when they're going to shut themselves off. What's even worse is that when I turn it on to try to make a quick call, it shuts off again without even letting me dial.

    I've been thinking about getting an iPhone next year, and a feature like this is very persuasive. Hopefully Apple will license this technology to other companies, or the competition will copy it.

    1. Re:Awesome by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Especially as the regular-capacity batteries run for a couple bucks (or less) on the OEM market (and extended-capacity batteries tend to run for the same price on the OEM market as regular batteries do at the retail outlets), one could feasibly buy up several batteries in bulk and store them for after-emergency use, or just for whenever the battery itself no longer seems willing to hold a charge.

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    2. Re:Awesome by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Whoops, wrong thread.

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  29. Re:So people not using an iPhone won't be able to by westlake · · Score: 1

    So, if I get this straight, patenting this 'technique' will make sure that people who choose to buy a non-apple phone wont be able to call emergency services untill the last drop of battery power unless the other phone manufacturers break this patent.

    No one has to break the patent.

    They only have to solve the problem on their own.

  30. Why is this only an emergency feature??? by booyabazooka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The phone's purpose is making phone calls. If a phone is low on battery power, and I'm making a call, by all means, ALWAYS cut power to non-essential components.

    1. Re:Why is this only an emergency feature??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an idea: just buy a phone with no non-essential components.

    2. Re:Why is this only an emergency feature??? by j_sp_r · · Score: 1

      My Nokia phone already has a "battery is nearly empty mode". It shut down all useless stuff (camera, music player, any other program that might be running except phonebook/sms/call/standby and GPS) and dims the display (which is OLED in my case so already quite power friendly). It went to it once and it gave me a large amount of standby time including a few calls.

    3. Re:Why is this only an emergency feature??? by NovaSupreme · · Score: 1

      looks like you never make calls to your in-laws! not all calls are more important than tetris app in the background.

    4. Re:Why is this only an emergency feature??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's the problem...try looking for a phone with no camera, no color screen, plain old "can only make phone calls" cellphone that supports the current digital networks.
      i see the jitterbug, and that's it. even the free ones the cellphone companies give out have all kinds of crap.

    5. Re:Why is this only an emergency feature??? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      The phone's purpose is making phone calls. If a phone is low on battery power, and I'm making a call, by all means, ALWAYS cut power to non-essential components.

      But this goes beyond that - should your phone potentially destroy its battery to get every last minute out of it, in a non-emergency situation? I don't think so.

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  31. "Ideas" should not be patentable by volpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Patents should cover an apparatus or method (the "how"), not the idea (the "what").

    Every patent application should first identify the "what", and then identify the "how". If the "how" is obvious after being told the "what", then the "invention" is obvious, no matter how novel or non-obvious the "what" is.

    1. Re:"Ideas" should not be patentable by zach297 · · Score: 1
      Theo what is a way for iPhone owners to use their phones in emergency situations on a low battery. The how is

      to disable "'non-essential hardware components' and applications on the phone, reduce power to the screen and potentially reduce the phone's processor speed. It also would make it harder to disconnect the call and enable 'emergency phrase buttons' on the phone."

      Sounds non obvious enough to me.

    2. Re:"Ideas" should not be patentable by Your.Master · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're just not drilling down far enough. You're basically still in the "what" territory.

      As an analogy: a new, more efficient car battery is produced and patented. The patent says they made a new longer-lasting battery by using a process that wastes less energy. Then it details the process. The "using a process that wastes less energy" part is obvious. How to go about doing that is not.

      I gave up finding the original patent (couldn't be bothered) but I guarantee that if you look through the claims, you'll find something that's at least questionable whether it's obvious or not, and I bet you'll find a lot that's clearly non-obvious (and I bet you'll be able to think of a way to implement the "what" without using their methods).

  32. America and its stupid patents again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sure, one could argue that this is a display of freedom; the freedom to take away this same freedom which allows others to implement these basic ideas. But to me its simply disgusting. To allow a company to patent merely the idea, not even the technical implementations, which allows common people to reach out for help?

    I can imagine some business to come up with this idea, after all; its all within the boundaries of the law. But what sick system would grant such a pathetic idea and even grant rights to it? This display makes me really happy to live in Europe. Not just that; I'm close to thinking that the common joke "patenting breathing" might not be so ridiculous after all. I mean; when creating an android you might also want to implement a function simulating breathing in order for the android to look more human. Then; why not patent the idea, and when doing so why even stop at the simulation part?

    I'm but an outsider, I'll grant you that, but if the US would really wish to remain capable of claiming to be the land of the free they sure would be smart if they rehauled their patent system so that it would once again help people to protect their ideas, while also making sure that its a genuine idea. Not some easy scam in order to generate lots of cash.

    Where will they draw the line?

    1. Re:America and its stupid patents again by Tinctorius · · Score: 1

      Where will they draw the line?

      Before answering your question, they'll patent line drawing first.

  33. If I remember correctly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think there is a key combination on some phones (Nokias I think) that, when pressed, gives the user access to a little extra battery power. It does this by overriding the reserve normally used for maintaining system memory and the clock and such. Admittedly coupling this with an emergency call feature is a good idea, but the 'extra battery' thing is nothing new.

  34. Emergency button by tsa · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have the Chinese takaway programmed in my emergency button. You need that much more than 911 (or 112 in Europe).

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  35. For some reason by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 3, Funny

    this reminds me of an old phone I used to have that implemented perhaps the very opposite of this idea...

    It would vibrate to tell me the battery was running low in silent mode. Problem was just by doing that it actually used up the last of the power it was supposed to warn me about being low, effectively making it some kind of ironic suicide warning.

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    1. Re:For some reason by EEGeek · · Score: 1

      About 10 years ago I saw someone trying to steal a taxi, so I tried calling 911. My old Audiovox POS phone wouldn't allow me to dial 911. Kept telling me that emergency calls are disabled.

    2. Re:For some reason by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      LoJack Early Warning keyfobs have a similar problem. They have a "Low Battery" LED that blinks, supposedly to indicate that the battery charge is low, but it actually blinks when the battery has a charge. If it stops blinking, the battery is dead, but since the LED is labeled "Low Battery," it's easy to assume the battery is fine if the "Low Battery" light isn't blinking.

      I've already reported this to LoJack as a design flaw.

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  36. It would disable 'non-essential hardware component by deft · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It would disable 'non-essential hardware components' and applications on the phone, reduce power to the screen and potentially reduce the phone's processor speed. It also would make it harder to disconnect the call".

    That sounds alot like verizons business model for all their phones, emergency or not. Then you just pay more for to get them back.

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  37. Dead battery by Psychotic_Wrath · · Score: 1

    When my phone dies it doesn't have enough battery left to start it up again. Maybe it could last like half a second. This would be useless if your phone battery was already dead because you would not be able to power it on long enough to go into emergency mode. It can help sometimes but would be nice if you could set it to emergency mode before the phone even turns on.

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    1. Re:Dead battery by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      What if the phone automatically reserves battery for emergency use, and only uses that last part of the battery for emergency calls?

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  38. I think I've heard of this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    At one point in time, you could get an auto-dialer for a burglar alarm. Upon a burglary occurring, the dialer would call 911 or your police department switchboard, and play a pre-recorded message announcing a burglary. You could imagine these weren't exactly popular with law enforcement.

    Nowaways, most burglar alarms are monitored through a central station that calls you to confirm the alarm. Alternately, you can self-monitor by having the control panel page you.

    A friend of mine once had a Cingular phone I could page by dialing Cingular's 800 number, then his phone's 10-digit number, then my numeric message. Anyone know if Verizon has a number for doing that?

    1. Re:I think I've heard of this before by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Not that I know of, but practically all the cellphone providers have means of sending txt and pix messages to phones via email. For Verizon it's phonenumber@vtext.com (without dashes).

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  39. I'm gonna patent the same thing... by liquidsin · · Score: 1

    ...on the internet!

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  40. Different than vaccines? by GhettoFabulous · · Score: 1

    To all the posters crying foul over Apple patenting this process, how is this different than a pharmaceutical company patenting a vaccine or other life saving drug? I understand if you have a problem with the intellectual property laws of our society, but really you are wasting your outrage on a relatively minor example of what is wrong with the system.

  41. Simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't you save more lives by doubling the battery life (instead of making the phone as light as possible)?

    Even for people who let their phones dead before recharging, you'd have halved the number of times that happened to them.

  42. Some of this exists already? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that a lot of other phones do implement a sort of 9-1-1 signal-boost. On the few times I've had to call 9-1-1 on a cell (witnessed a car accident, drunk drivers, etc) the phone went into a special mode in which the signal did seem to be boosted.

    Not sure how that works if it didn't have a signal to begin with though, and it's not something one could easily test.

    The patent included the additions of "disabling other functionality to save battery" and adding extra "emergency #'s". I don't know any phones with non-911 emergency #'s, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "disable other functionality" already exists because I seem to remember my phone being limited until I canceled the "emergency mode" it was in.

  43. 9-1-1 GPS by phorm · · Score: 1

    Actually, don't most companies set that by dialing 9-1-1 on many phones, you *allow* signal triangulation (not necessarily GPS) so that emergency crews can locate the caller if needed?

    1. Re:9-1-1 GPS by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Yup, the phones are typically defaulted to 911-only.

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  44. Foreshadowing an upcoming phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to say that Apple has probably filed this patent due to the tendency of people to run the iPhone out of power on a regular basis.

    I don't have an iPhone myself, but I have a friend who does and she regularly runs into at least the "battery low" stage fairly often. Since it's not just a phone but also a note-taking device, Internet browser, e-mail account, and mp3 player (among any other number of functions thanks to the App Store), it seems to me that a lot of people are running their iPhones out of juice a lot more often because they play with it throughout the day than they would on "regular" phones with less features.

    I've got a non-iPhone, and I've run it out of power only while traveling without a charger. Even then, it took several days for that to happen, because I would turn it off at night instead of letting it remain in standby. My friend runs her iPhone down after a single day of use.

    BUT, I remembered that the iPhone is dialed via the screen. There aren't any hard dialing buttons. How exactly would one dial 911/112 without the screen being active (seems to be counter to what the patent proposes)? Is this patent maybe being filed in advance of another Apple phone, maybe one with hard buttons?

    Otherwise it wouldn't have much application on an iPhone . . .

  45. Re:AED do require training. by yourassOA · · Score: 1

    Thats why you posted as AC. AED's are a small part of CPR which is why you are supposed to have a ticket if preforming CPR for liability as well as the victims chance of survival.
    I very much doubt your average person knows what an AED is never mind how to open it and hook up the electrodes. I hope that if I ever need CPR a trained individual is there not some stupid random asshole that thinks he knows something because he seen it on tv or read an article about it. And what if its a child or special circumstance you would probably figure everything out with no training whatsoever.

  46. So much for attacker photos or voice recordings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When using a mobile phone, some multi-task - unlike the iPhone, allowing you to use other hardware like the camera, email, etc. So if you need to photograph some evidence, like a license plate, etc. OR you can't break the call to record your last words, you'll be SOL.

    If they are going to provide this energy saving mode, there better be a configuration screen for it. Heck, maybe having Energy Profiles might be in order - just like Ringer Profiles. Then we can get the claimed battery life out of our phones. Then any "emergency" call would switch the phone to a Max Battery Life energy profile.

    BTW, I call 911 on a headset a couple times a year cause someone dropped a mattress, tire or dead carcass in the middle of the freeway. So now my future phone will be more locked up when making that call to prevent a serious accident. Way to go Apple - bite me.

    Maybe their patent will prevent other companies from making a more draconian phone like the iPhone. Apple, you can have it. I'd rather have a Pre or Linux phone I can control.

  47. -5 "Troll" by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    The headline is misleading, even from reading the summary.

    the patent is not on 911 calls, it's on a dedicated "emergency mode" incorporating energy conservation and a customized interface.

    Nowhere does this allow apple to sue other companies or individuals for using other mobile devices in the case of an emergency.

    It's an interface patent, and while I don't agree with interface patents, the headline falsely implies the patent could endanger your life, rather than it just being a potentially frivolous one.

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  48. I Smell Rotten Apples..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    ".....squeeze every last drop of energy out of the batteries."

    It's already benn well-documented that cell phone providers manipulate phone OSes to erroneously report remaining battery life. So what Apple is doing is simply NOT modifying the OS to give false readings.

    "It also would make it harder to disconnect the call"

    A dead spot is a dead spot is a dead spot. Plain and simple. I'll wager there is a disclaimer that states this feature is only available in areas where the reception is already satisfactory. It's already illegal to disconnect or interrupt any emergency communications anyways. This is a moot "feature", since Apple is basically saying that compliance with the law is a "feature" that they are providing.

    Phone providers are already required to provide full service to calls made from any cell phone, include phones where the customer has had their account canceled, closed, or terminated.

    Personally, I think that having a patent on an emergency feature that is as ubiquitous as cell phones is just plain stupid, as now providers will have to pay to license the potentially life-saving technology.

    Good Idea? Yes.

    Good Patent? Fuck no.

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    1. Re:I Smell Rotten Apples..... by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Phone providers are already required to provide full service to calls made from any cell phone, include phones where the customer has had their account canceled, closed, or terminated.

      For emergency calls, yes. For regular calls, no. Again, it seems ripe for abuse if the user is given the capacity to modify the cellphone's emergency numbers list.

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  49. Nokia beat them to it a decade ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could they make prior art when others, like Nokia, have done it a decade ago. I know that my first cellphone, Nokia 3110 if I recall and about 10 years ago, was able to do this.

    It let you call 911 (or well, 112 in Finland) even without a SIM card and even after your battery has ran very low and the phone shuts down, you can put it back on for long enough that you can make one more call. (You could use that backup for anything important, not just emergency calls, though)

    Apple trying to patent something that has been present in all cell phones made by the world's largest cell phone manufacturer for a decade is just stupid.

    1. Re:Nokia beat them to it a decade ago by jazzduck · · Score: 1
      Really? "All cell phones made by the world's largest cell phone manufacturer[s] for a decade" have included all of these features? Wow.

      I'd love for you to explain to me where I should have gone on my old Samsung T729 to set the alternate emergency number. No? You can't do that? Well then, maybe you could tell me, on my new Samsung T739, what emergency phrases are available to be automatically spoken? I can't find this information anywhere in the manual. Or on my friend's new Nokia N75, would you mind explaining exactly how it is that the phone makes it more difficult to hang up a 911 call, compared to any other call?

      I'd love to hear this, because you're so unbelievably full of Wrong that we should tap you and serve you as a refreshment at the next Microsoft design meeting.

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  50. Negligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else think that by patenting emergency call behaviour apple is acting negligently?

    I am shocked anyone could ever think to patent this (for profiteering or whatever).

    Mobile phones can dial 000 or 112 without being unlocked (tactile dialing anyone, try doing that on an iPhone, hint you can't).

  51. Strawman by dangitman · · Score: 1

    It's not like Apple just invented "emergency mode".

    I'm not aware of anyone claiming that Apple invented emergency mode. Would you care to cite your source on that?

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  52. Existing Smartphones Have Similar Features by Brian+Ristuccia · · Score: 1

    Current Blackberry smartphone models include a feature which will allow the user to place an emergency call, even when the device is operating in "battery too low for radio use" mode. Dialing 911 (us models), 112, or picking "make emergency call" from the screen lock menu will turn the mobile radio back on and attempt to complete the call regardless of battery level. (On a side note, it's also possible to pick the emergency call option and cancel it before the call begins in order to bypass the usual delay between when a charger is connected and when the handset considers the battery charged enough to make calls again).

  53. Seems ripe for abuse... by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    I could accomplish nearly the same thing on my Verizon aircard by setting the Access Overload Class to 15, which is supposedly reserved for emergency calls (calling 911, for example, already sets the highest AOC, so it seems to me that the aspect of reducing the possibility of dropping the call is already covered, at least in CDMA phones), but I'm unsure of the legality of doing this. How would the cellphone networks cope with people setting practically every "important" number they have to emergency mode just so that they never get a dropped call?

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  54. Re:It would disable 'non-essential hardware compon by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    No, Verizon's business model is to take perfectly working phones and operating firmware, cripple them, then sell them for 150% market value unless you sign up for an expensive, binding, 2-year contract.

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  55. Patenting Low Power Mode? by rxan · · Score: 1

    So they basically just patented low power mode... and associated it with emergency calls.

    Watch out Windows Vista! Your days of low-power mode are over!

  56. You learn something every day... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...because I always thought Apple users got their own ***SPECIAL*** emergency number to dial rather than having to use the same one the rest of us peons do.

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    1. Re:You learn something every day... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of fellow Stonecutters pointing out the "91*2*" emergency number to Homer shortly after he was initiated.

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  57. Prior Art by Hasai · · Score: 1

    Back when I was in the military, a lot of our equipment had a special, guarded switch on it, labeled 'Battle Short'. If you flipped that switch on (and you'd better have a damned good reason) all of the equipment's operational safeties were disabled. If it were a power generator, things like oil pressure, load, coolant level, etc, would be ignored. If it were a weapon system . . . . Well, you get the idea: keep operating until either the switch is turned back off or the equipment tears itself apart.

    So; Apple's idea is quite unremarkable, at least in one's profession's view.

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  58. Re:So people not using an iPhone won't be able to by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    No, anyone with a GSM phone has been able to do this for more than 10 years. This patent is nothing new, they are seemingly just patenting the requirements all phone makers have to make to build a GSM phone to spec.

  59. Parent not Insightful by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Invention happens without IP; most our progress has been without IP law and the before Orwellian phrase "IP" was created.

    Plenty of things come into being without patents. A smart phone without these features can be marketed against by those that do have them; only takes 1 to start the trend.

    This is just an IDEA not a real invention and its not worthy of IP protection-- sure it is good, but it is merely a response to an existing use case that is more of a problem when people have smarter phones that lose power from heavier usage (doing non-phone activities.)

    If the system was as broken when cell phones started getting "smart" there would be IP on having phone calls interrupt the other activities to inform the user that there is an incoming call. Ridiculous; however, not these days...

  60. Nokia phones have been doing this for over a decad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first Nokia mobile phone (cell phone just sounds tacky and overly American) - the old Nokia 232, running on TACS did this, and that was in 1996. Prior art indeed, though the USPTO seems to forget there's a world outside their country...