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Staying In Shape vs. a Busy IT Job Schedule?

tnok85 writes "I started a new job ~7 months ago at a very large company working a 12-hour night shift (7PM-7AM) in a fairly high volume NOC. Our responsibilities extend during the night to basically cover everything but the most complex situations regarding UNIX/Windows/Linux/App administration, at which point we'll reach out to the on-calls. I live 1.5 hours away as well, so it turns into 4-5 15 hour days a week of sitting still — throw in almost an hour to get ready to leave, and a bit of time after I get home to unwind and I'm out of time to work out. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I have a very slow metabolism, ever since I was a pre-teen I would gain weight fairly quickly if I didn't actively work out, regardless of how much or what I eat. (Barring starving myself, I suppose...) So, how does somebody who works a minimum of 60 hours over 4 days, often adding another 12 another day, and sometimes working 7-10 days straight like this, stay in shape? I can't hold a workout schedule, (which every person I've talked to in my history says is necessary to stay in shape) and I can't 'wake up early' or 'work out before bed' because I need sleep. Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions?"

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  1. Its not rocket surgery... by acon1modm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of miracle solution do you want? Its easy...

    For a given workday, after N hours work and M hours sleep, is anything left? if yes, make the decision to work out or to fuck off. If not, then wait for your days off and work out hard. Also decrease caloric intake.

    There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

    1. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by acon1modm · · Score: 3, Informative
      Also...

      regardless of how much or what I eat

      Thats bullshit. Yer doin it wrong. There is nothing magical about the metabolic process. More calories will add more weight if you don't burn them.

    2. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by LuvlyOvipositor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

      This is what I would recommend. Productivity drops off anyway past 8 consecutive hours of work. If the company needs 24/7 coverage, then get 3 techs per 24 hour period. You get better results from your workers, and promote a healthier work environment.

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    3. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Oh, lawdy. I hope submitter knows what they're getting into. They'd better be receiving a lot of money. That said, here are some tips for submitter:
      • Find another job. If you can't,
      • Move closer. If you can't,
      • Drink lots of coffee - working that shift will turn you into a zombie. Coffee (and tobacco, not recommended) keep you alert, give you something to look forward to, and supress the appetite so you...
      • Don't eat out of boredom - stay away from that snack machine. Bring healthy stuff to eat, because you will not be able to stay "in shape". As long as you moderate your munchies you won't gain weight (and you will probably lose weight as you'll be perpetually exhausted). You'll receive no excercise unless...
      • You make arrangements to exercise locally. Use the company gym or use your lunch break to find a local 24-hour gym and get a membership there. At least half an hour every day will be adequate. If you have only a half-hour for lunch then make an arrangement to use your mandated breaks in conjection with your lunch break to buy you some time. If your boss dosen't understand that then he's a sadist and you're better off working elsewhere.
      • If no gyms are available then bring gym clothes and spend your lunch break taking a night jog. Bring music. Night jogs are peaceful and will clear your head. Most places have at least one bathroom with a shower. If you don't have other options then it's exercise vs. stink.

      But those are only suggestions as I've never lasted more than 5 months on that shift without going crazy. You got balls, my man.

    4. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not entirely true.

      Ok, yes, you can't just eat what you want. However, it's not as simple as just "more calories".

      Fiber will flush calories.

      Protein builds muscle, and muscle burns more calories than fat.

      Small snacks throughout the day, and especially a proper breakfast, help your metabolism go faster.

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    5. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dave562 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ditto what the OP said. Either you are serious about wanting to work out for a little bit becauase it will improve your life, or you aren't. If you are serious about it, you will find time to do it. If you aren't, you will come up with excuses not to.

      As a completely antecdotal experience, I've been training martial arts for seven years. At this point I train five to six days a week for an hour or two each day. I'm in pretty good shape, but could still make a lot of improvements. I don't do any weight training, and I work out at a moderate intensity.

      If all you want to do is "get in shape" you can do it in 30-45 minutes a day. The most important thing is to start out with stretching, and once you're stretched out, do some cardio (jogging, jumping rope, etc) for AT LEAST 20 minutes. If you can't jog, walk. Work up to walking with short periods of running. Then run more and walk less. You really don't need to get up to any more than two or three miles a couple of times a week to see some real results after a six to eight months.

      The hardest part about working out is getting started. It feels counter-intuitive. It hurts. There is pain associated with it. Your body will tell you to stop doing it. The lazy voice in the back of your head will talk you out of it. The first couple of months are the most difficult part. Developing a schedule AND STICKING TO IT, is the most difficult part.

      Be realistic with yourself. Realize that being healthy is a lifestyle choice. It isn't something that you do for a few months and then quit. It takes a while to see results. I'm not going to lie and tell you that it doesn't suck in the beginning because it does. It is much easier to sit in front of the computer and sleep than it is to set aside an hour a day to exercise.

      The only other advice I have is to cut out drinking anything besides water. Soda is especially bad for you. Anything with high fructose corn syrup in it (most anything you'd get at 7-11 or the like) is tough for your body to digest. If you are out of shape, working out is going to burn a lot of fat. That fat is stored garbage. Your body is going to be working hard to get rid of that garbage. Water will help that process.

    6. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rawr_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're ignoring the significant health risks, though. It is simply not healthy for him to be working that much and working out any significant amount of time each day. He can do one or the other, and he has to make a choice. Otherwise he will just be grinding away years of his life.

    7. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by torkus · · Score: 4, Funny

      try swallowing the crap you get from ex-wives-to-be and you'll understand how that becomes a necessity.

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    8. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... Jack Sprat?

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    9. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mike260 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Disagree. His job (the hours in particular) sounds stressful, and if stress by itself is ungood then it's doubleplusungood if you're not getting any exercise. Recipe for an early grave, basically.

    10. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by beerbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As well as candida infection. Many, many people have one and don't even notice it.

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    11. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by torkus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the content, though the idea is on the right track. You do need to stick to it, get over the initial 'oh this hurts/sucks', and not make excuses why you're too tired/busy/etc.

      That said...
      Cardio is the WORST way to work out - especially in this situation. Cardio trains your body to efficiently use calories (how else can a person run 20+ miles or 4-5 hours straight). In this situation you do NOT want that. You get the short-term benefits while you're running than then nothing else. In the end it actually works against you. To use an extreme example - take someone an anorexic that eats less than 1000 calories a day yet runs on a treadmill for 2 hours a day. The raw math seems impossible but yet there are people who do this for years. (unhealthy, extreme example but it does make a point).

      *however* 30-40 minutes a few times a week *IS* all you need. Replace that job with weight training every 2-3 days. You don't have to compete with the bench-pressing muscle heads but if you do the math, lifting 100lbs from floor to above your head takes a LOT of energy. And your body can build muscle to make it easier, but all the muscle in the world does not lessen the amount of work it takes to lift that weight. PLUS (and this is HUGE for sedentary people) your body needs to recover from lifting those weights. It needs to rebuild the micro-tears in your muscle (which, btw, is how you build more muscle too) and that takes MORE energy over the next 1-2 days. So if you have a good muscle training session you're metabolism is elevated for a DAY OR TWO AFTER your work-out. Cardio? Meh. Hardly a few hours later and your metabolism is back to where you started. In addition, you don't need a big set of weights. A couple dumbells, a step, and a yoga ball (while kinda gay) can give you a shockingly difficult workout.

      If you're the type who likes to run then skip jogging. Alternate sprints (as fast as you can for 15-60 seconds) with walking to recover (easy pace to partially recover heart rate for 30-60 sec). This will, of course, vary greatly from person to person but it helps avoid training your body to use minimal calories over long-term but low impact work.

      An equal body weight that's mostly muscle mass will burn significantly more calories than one that's largely fat.

      Oh, and yes - drink water not soda. Avoid junk food as much as you can and go for protein over sugar. A bag of peanuts is WAY better than a pack of MnM's even if the calories say differently.

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    12. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah..the low carb thing and working out has really been working for me. I'm well on my way to my goal of going from 38" waist to 32" waist. I'd ballooned out, and starting in Feb. started pretty strict low carb diet. I put a $1K bet with a friend of mine to reach a goal by July 1...we both did it to put 'teeth' behind the thing and not allow ourselves to backslide.

      It has worked...and I'm sticking with it, although will bring back more veggies and fruits and all. I will stay away from highly processed foods, that's not a problem. I like to cook and I've had no problems coming up with fun and good meals.

      I've also been working out as regular as possible too...

      I've found that through this, and eating smaller meals 5-6 times a day, my voracious appetite has been controlled, and I've been able to pretty easily start watching portion control.

      After a mere 4 months or so...it is now pretty easy. I can see the 32" waist in my gunsights before end of summer.

      I'm also hoping with my next Dr. visit...my triglyceride count is down, as well as blood pressure.

      My advice to the guy who posted this article...do what the first few posts have said. You have to figure some way to change the lifestyle that is obviously NOT working for you and your health.

      You are given 24 hours in a day. It is up to YOU to figure how you're gonna spend them to accomplish whatever goals you have in life.

      If this job is in the way...well, maybe look for another job with better hours. I hope you are getting PAID for 60 hours if you are working that many. If you are just salary..you are a chump for working that extra 20 hours for free. It is one thing for an occasional long stretch with a deadline or emergency, but, it sounds like they're working you 60+ all the time as a normal part of your job??

      I know the economy is bad, but, it ain't that bad and there are other jobs if you are qualified.

      It sure isn't worth your health man...

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    13. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fiber will flush calories.

      This is something that a lot of people don't seem to know about when they say, "More calories will add more weight if you don't burn them." Your digestive system isn't 100% efficient, and the human body will, at times, dump excess calories.

      So in effect, your body is capable of saying, "I have enough food for now, so I'm going to poop out the rest." Some bodies seem to do this more readily than others, and science doesn't yet know all the factors. It could be genetics, emotional state, the kind of bacteria living in your gut, or what you're eating rather than how much you're eating.

      But the point is, yes, someone else can have the same diet and exercise routine as you have, and still weigh a very different amount.

    14. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is all bullshit. Reduce stress. As long as you're under stress, your body is making itself ready to flee whatever predator is causing you stress. It never got the memo that we have firearms now and are thus on top of the food-chain.

      As long as you work yourself into the grave, your body will ramp up the calorie-consumption and put it in storage for the bad times it assumes are right around the corner.

      You people with your "Fat is bad, mkay" are forgetting one thing: The calories that go into your body are not necessarily processed altogether. Like cars don't have all the same efficiency, neither do our bodies. Some of us will react to stress by gaining weight, others lose it. In a healthy situation, where you do get out of stressful environments enough, your body will adjust fine on its own, unless you put every next best thing that looks edible in your mouth.

      And again, this is science. This is not me wishing it were so. German speakers should consult Udo Polmer's books. They're on Amazon.

    15. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If all you want to do is "get in shape" you can do it in 30-45 minutes a day. The most important thing is to start out with stretching, and once you're stretched out, do some cardio (jogging, jumping rope, etc) for AT LEAST 20 minutes.

      Jesus fucking christ. The attitude of some fitness nuts frightens me sometimes.

      You do not, do not, do not need to waste 45 minutes of every day working up a sweat and sore muscles if you just want to stay "in shape". If you're looking to win some medal, then yes, but be prepared to deal with the after effects of such extreme exercise in later life.

      If you want to stay in shape, you just have to cut down on junk food and get an outdoor hobby that keeps you mobile for an hour or so on the weekends. Swimming, soccer, cycling, jogging, gardening. That's all most people will ever need. These health nuts who spend who torture themselves daily, spend weekends doing yoga or karate and who subsist on treebark and goat's milk are not some physical ideal everyone should aspire to!

      The hardest part about working out is getting started. It feels counter-intuitive. It hurts. There is pain associated with it. Your body will tell you to stop doing it. The lazy voice in the back of your head will talk you out of it.

      What the fuck?! Going for a walk in the woods is actually fun in my experience. You get great views from the top of hills too. Sailing? Maybe you could try horse riding, I don't know. The point is, if exercise isn't fun, then no one in their right mind will keep it up. You have to find an activity that keeps you healthy, not a penance.

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    16. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree dieting is as simple as counting calories.

      (Calories Eaten - Calories burned)/3500 = weight change [lbs]

      figure out how many calories you burn in a typical day, and eat less than that, the amount less than that you eat will determine how fast you lose weight.

      I put on A LOT of weight when I first started working in IT and I was busy enough that I rarely made it to the gym. I THOUGHT I was eating less, and eating healthy and even tried all kinds of stupid diets that never seemed to get me anywhere. About 4 months ago I decided to look for a diet that was specifically tailored to a programmer's lifestyle (I figured there are enough smart people out there that someone must have come up with something) After about 2 minutes of searching I found The Hackers Diet. I read it and it made a lot of common sense... I decided to try it. and so far I've lost 35 lbs and I haven't set foot in a gym since I started.

      in short it's just calorie counting in a way that makes good logical sense... I don't even follow the diet plan that closely, I weight myself every day so I can plot my change, and the first week I took a closer look at how many calories the foods I typically eat contain. The first few days I had some crazy hunger pains but after that I don't feel hungry anymore than usual and I the only time I even really think about how many calories I'm eating is when I break away from my normal daily eating habits (ie: family BBQ, or a party, etc.) and even then I just make a rough guess and eat a little less during my meals earlier in the day.

      I still go out for ice cream, have pizza at lunch, etc. I just keep a mental tally of roughtly how many calories I'm taking in so I can adjust my other meals accordingly...

    17. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Chabo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another option for aerobic exercise: jump rope. Back when I did karate, that was our main aerobic exercise because there's not much else you can do in a 400 sq. ft. room...

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    18. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by fprintf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Love your ideas about exercise being fun. Tennis is fun. Raquetball, squash, basketball, handball are all examples of really fun sports that will work you hard enough to give all the benefits of exercise while being something that doesn't require tons of motivation to do. As a cyclist I can work off 300 calories easily on a weekend day... it is generally 40 calories per mile. 7 or 8 miles on a bike is *nothing* to even most beginners.

      Personally I like your idea of sailing. Not everyone is close to the coast or has the money for a boat but it is really fun, and if you get the right boat (you try hiking on a Laser for a 20 minute upwind leg of a race) you will be in great shape.

      Hiking is always fun, and running up walking trails can even be more fun. Exercise need not be mindless lifting of weights in a gym or miles on a treadmill. Hell, just get out Dance Dance Revolution for 15 minutes a day!

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    19. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, he can do what lots of us here do when we're too slammed to work out "properly":
      Crunches and pushups. Use you body's mass as your weights. bonus points if you can install a pull-up bar somewhere.

      just do 10 or 15 reps at a time, as time permits.
      you can do this almost anywhere (aisles between cubes, DC floor, etc.

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    20. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hattig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or indeed do a work out at the company he's working at.

      Press ups, sit ups, crunches, etc, are all doable.

      12 hour cover doesn't mean 12 hours in a chair reading slashdot incessantly. If he is babysitting, then there's plenty of time to do other stuff. Hell, write a script to send the warnings to his phone and get his sleep there. Does the company have gym facilities? Certainly he'll get several breaks overnight where you can do something active, like run up and down stairs before you grab a coffee.

      Personally I think the poster is insane, firstly to take a job working 12 hour shifts for more than 3 days a week. Secondly for living 1.5 hours away, meaning a 3 hour commute every day. 12 + 3 + 8 (sleep) leaves a grand total of 1 hour a day to live! STOP AND THINK! Or get the company to put you up overnight nearby on the nights you work.

    21. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dasunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree dieting is as simple as counting calories.

      (Calories Eaten - Calories burned)/3500 = weight change [lbs]

      figure out how many calories you burn in a typical day, and eat less than that, the amount less than that you eat will determine how fast you lose weight.

      For me, it doesn't always work that way.

      Below a certain point, my body decides that instead of getting the missing 3500 calories from burning fat, it would rather decrease my metabolism. Drastically, if necessary. I'm still losing small amounts of weight, but not 1 lb for every 3500 missing calories.

      From a perspective of evolution, my body's great: It cuts down on calorie usage when food supply decreases. From a dieting perspective, it is hard for me to lose the final 5-10 lbs of weight.

    22. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hofmny · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mod Parent Up.

      Losing weight and keeping it off is not as easy as burn more calories than you take in. For the reasons above and also, not all calories are created equal. Calories from fat are different than normal calories, as the body has to work (takes longer) a lot more to break down fat.

      Also, consider simple carbohydrates versus complex carbohydrates (whole wheat). Simple carbohydrates which are not immediately metabolized go straight into the mid section (for most white Caucasians). More complex carbohydrates don''t have this property and are healthier for you as they contain nutrients simple carbohydrates do not (read up on flax and wheat processing).

      Also, for working out. There is NO excuse not to. Do one set of 5 for 5 exercises, 5 times a week. Its a myth you need to do 3 sets of x, perpetuated by the American body building community (read up on Pavel). Do this for two months then switch exercises. I guarantee you will become stronger than someone who does multiple sets -- and you'll lose fat too. You need to do both cardio and weight lifting. Period. But lifting weights burns more fat than cardio and keeps your metabolism higher longer. When weight lifting, the bigger the muscle the more calories you burn. So doing squats and dead lifts versus working out your biceps and triceps is going to burn a lot more calories.

    23. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Informative

      12 hour work days + 1 hour of exercise basically describes my entire time in the military, and I was never in better shape or felt better. I'm pretty sure I've shaved more off of my life expectancy as an 8 hour desk jockey and couch potato in the years since.

      It's pretty much like the First Post'er said: Either you make time, or you don't. The OP said he can't get up early or work out before bed, which is nonsense. Everybody's a little different, but I found that I actually needed less sleep, slept more soundly, and felt more refreshed in the morning, when I exercised regularly, particularly when I did so shortly before bedtime. Exhausting my body also helped to keep it more in sync with my mental state, whereas after an 8 hour day I can feel mentally drained, but not get sleepy for hours after a normal bedtime.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm as lazy as anyone, and I will probably go home tonight and do some 12 ounce curls on the couch instead of hitting the weights or going for a run, but I know that's a choice I make every day. On the other hand, maybe I've just talked myself into making better choices.

    24. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 2

      Don't do crunches. There are plenty of other ab exercises that don't compress the lower back. For example "dive bombers" or "cat pushups".

      Squats are better for burning off calories, as long as you are doing them correctly (i.e. don't bend at the waist, drop straight down). Check out YouTube videos for "Indian Squats" as they work many of the large muscle groups.

    25. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mstroeck · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's bullshit. That's just not how it works.

      -) If he begins to work out, he will start to sleep way better almost immediately, very probably more than making up for the hour of sleep he might lose.

      -)If he keeps at it, his resting heart-rate (along with recovery time, triglycerides, and many other things) will go down significantly, while his musculature and nervous system will get more efficient. His breathing will get deeper and more relaxed which again positively affects heart rate and the autonomous nervous system, and so on.

      -) If he is like most people, exercising will additionally help him get rid of the insane cravings for unhealthy food we all sometimes experience.

    26. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Knara · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like you need to increase your energy expenditure more, to me. As you say, unless you go anorexic, decreasing caloric intake only goes so far.

    27. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Yokaze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > No it doesn't. A calorie is a unit of heat.

      A unit of heat is an amount of energy. Calories are are practically deprecated and the only commonly used meaning is as unit of food energy.

      > Fiber may prevent absorption of certain carbohydrates in the intestines, etc, but nothing can "flush heat".

      Fibre in your food makes your intestines work more when digesting, which requires more energy. The other positive effect is, that it fills your stomach, without providing any nutritious value, thereby being net-negative in your energy household. "Flushing calories", so to speak.

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    28. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by momerath2003 · · Score: 2

      Even better, get one of those ~$10 pull-up bars from Target that mount on a doorframe (i.e. to a closet). If you lift your feet behind you so that you don't touch the floor when you're extended, you get a full trunk and upper body workout. Whenever you get up from your computer, just do a couple of pull-ups.

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    29. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is so true. I too have an incredibly long sedentary job stuck behind a desk.

      While metabolism does adjust based upon various factors, which alters how efficiently you burn calories (as opposed to flushing them out) the body is remarkably efficient; if you can digest it (i.e. not fibre), you will either burn it or store it. If you can't adjust how much you burn by substantial exercise, then the answer is to reduce how much goes in at the front end. Most people, like myself, who think they have a slow metabolism simply don't realise how much they eat.

      Lets say you do an hour of moderate exercise in the gym a day; that's maybe 500-700 calories. If you work really really hard, that's 1000, absolute tops. 500 calories is the difference between a medium meal and a big meal; or a couple of cans of energy drink. Or a slice of cake. Or even just little snacks between meals. 130 calories a day over how much you expend (a can of coke), and that's 14 pounds weight gain a year.

      I've read the hackers diet and it's good advice for guys like us. I've started counting how much I eat. You know what? I massively underestimated how much I was really eating. All the little stuff really mounts up. Even when I thought I was being good, I wasn't.
      So now I count my calories (reasonably roughly) mainyl by weighing my food when I'm cooking it. I've cut down my portions by around 30% - which sounds like a lot, but honestly isn't considering I was eating past when I was full. I've substituted my crap snacks with fruit, and cut out the sweets, second portions, junk food and normal desserts. I record my weight daily on physicsdiet (which has a nice smoothing function for when you go up or down a few pounds due to water weight - it shows the overall trend very nicely)

      I still have three proper meals a day, and even have low-calorie desserts. I can put my hand on my heart, and honestly say I do not feel hungry. I'm eating 1700-odd calories a day, which is about half of what I'm expending. I don't go to the gym, and have only slightly increased how much exercise I do - parking at the far end of the carpark and walking the extra two minutes, a short stroll at lunch, that sort of thing.

      Going by the scales, I've lost 21 pounds in 6 weeks. According to the bodyfat it's almost entirely fat. I'm under 280 pounds for the first time in years. I can certainly wear trousers I haven't been able to wear for years. I've lost 4" off my waist. While I may not look much different, I do feel better - I certainly never feel starved. I'm going to try to fit some time in the gym a few days a week, but that will be in addition to the 1700 calories I'm already dieting.

      So my advice to you, original tnok85 - estimate how much you eat in a day. Then keep a food diary, and record how much you eat, in full detail. Record your weight daily on physicsdiet (which is basically an online version of the hackers diet spreadsheets), or even just in excel. I bet you'll be surprised at the difference between what you think you eat, and what you do eat.

      Then work out how many calories you'd likely spend in the gym, and see if you can cut that from your diet with low hanging fruit - the no-S diet may help here. Keep recording your weight daily. And see how you go.

      Me? I'm going to lose all this weight I've put on in 20 years through inattention, whether it takes 6 months, a year or 3 years. I'm likely going to have to keep a close eye on how much I cook, and weigh myself regularly for life. But the diet? It's not a diet. I'm just eating like a normal healthy person, instead of a normal healthy person who eats big meals and has the odd slice of cake.

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    30. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by squidguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe you could try horse riding, I don't know
      Is that like the goatse guy? Hey wait, that involves exercise too!

    31. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mcvos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I think the poster is insane, firstly to take a job working 12 hour shifts for more than 3 days a week. Secondly for living 1.5 hours away, meaning a 3 hour commute every day. 12 + 3 + 8 (sleep) leaves a grand total of 1 hour a day to live!

      I wholeheartedly agree. If you work nightly shifts of 12 hours, you shouldn't be working more than 3 days a week. If you are working more than that, you should really be asking yourself the question if you're making enough money to retire before you burn out.

      Of course if the 12 hour shift includes plenty of time to doze off, read a book, work out or do some other fun stuff, it might be a different matter. But you're still living in your office rather than at home. Do you really like the facilities at your office more than your own home? Or does your shift include time to sleep? Because then you'd be able to spend those 8 hours at home on other stuff. Getting paid to sleep is about as good as it gets, but this situation doesn't sound like that.

    32. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Dump" being the operative word.

    33. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by samurphy21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dive Bombers. You mean the exercise that you do by going through a push up motion, except instead of remaining rigid you.. COMPRESS YOUR LOWER BACK?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttk8RdiIHzA

      This looks FAR harder on the lower back (bent backwards in the final position) than a crunch where your lower back never moves or leaves the floor. If you are involving your lower back in a crunch, you're doing it wrong.

    34. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by log1385 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A few other suggestions...

      If you work in a multi-story building, take the stairs instead of the elavator. I've heard testimonies of people who have lost a few pounds in the space of weeks just by walking up two flights of stairs every day instead of using the elevator. Also, park farther away and make yourself take a walk. Little things like that, together with a healthful diet, can go a long way.

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    35. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by default+luser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but they create muscle, which burns more calories 24/7.

      It's not a replacement for cardio, but that's something he can do on the WEEKENDS, along with real weight training. We're just finding things here he can do on the job.

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    36. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by serutan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His job choice isn't really the topic here, but like you I can't help wondering why anyone in his right mind would take a job like that. If he's willing to put up with the hours and the commute, you would think he would be more than willing to relocate so he can have a life.

    37. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by linzeal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, you are not going to build muscle mass doing some random activity on the weekends unless it is stocking shelves with free weights. Remember, you will begin losing it moderately at first but as you age the loss of muscle mass will increase greatly. Secondly, sure you might get some light cardio doing something outside every weekend but that is not going to keep your heart and lungs working as efficiently as they could if you spent even one day a week running, swimming laps or biking to work. BTW, regular sex works if you can use your partner's weight as well as your own during coitus. It might help that my current significant other weighs about 110 lbs but you would be surprised what 30 minutes of vigorous sex can do for you physically and mentally with the right person. I have never been in better shape physically than when I was dating 4 women at once in my early 20's even if mentally I was a bit off. The reason many people who have sex a lot look 'sexy' is because they are having sex a lot.

      Some of the replies on this article have been dangerous in recommending what amounts to a training regime for a front line infantry grunt or a super spy ninja but your attitude is almost as dangerous. Aerobic Exercise and Anaerobic resistance/weight training during your 20's, 30's, 40's can stave off many chronic diseases later in life. My personal preference is sex with a degree of athleticism with an intimate other and it has kept me below a 34" waist at 6'2" into my 30's.

    38. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True your digestive system isn't 100% efficient which is why you have waste products. However you seem to be implying that this means that everyone does this at significantly different rates. I.e. Given a group of people with identical diets (or possibly simple caloric value) and identical energy expenditures will have an inefficiency that is significantly different. i.e One person absorbs only 60% of what would normally be the bioavailable calories.

      Two things:

      a) One doesn't imply the other - people can be inefficient but within a small margin.
      b) With the notable exception of people with specific disorders (i.e. lacking an enzyme) it simply isn't true in the large sense (sure there some effects that have been experimentally validated but they are are pretty small - especially if you read the studies with a critical eye).

      One thing I will say is that people who write things like this don't seem to think it through. If there was really a significant variance - it would show up in a bunch of places - for example it would be very difficult (or simply lucky) to use regression to come up with a useful BMR formula without a pretty large error (depending on how big the alleged difference is - you haven't mentioned which kind of says to me that you really don't know anything about the subject).

      The short answer is that although there may be variances in how much you gain based on how much you take in (or how much you burn for that mater) these values, even collectively are likely significantly outweighed by the simple formula of "calories consumed" vs "calories burned".

    39. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. I retract what I said about doing those alternate ab stuff.

      I still think squats that work the quads done without any bending of the waist at an aerobic speed (a la Matt Furey) is probably the best bang for the buck.

      I had written elsewhere more passive things someone can do:

      * Stand instead of sitting in front of the computer desk. Drop into "horse stance", so long as the knees are aligned and don't go over the toes. Merely standing triggers a metabolic gear shift.

      * Walk in a half-crouch with the spine straight and the head level (no bopping up and down). The weight should be on the quads and some on the feet. Resist the temptation to fall into the step (by minimizing striking of the heel). In other words, you end up carrying more of your weight on one leg instead of doing a sort of controlled forward fall like most people do when walking.

    40. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by spacey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At my office we've been having some fun by trying to get to 100 pushups using the schedule at the site hundredpushups.com. I haven't gotten to 100, but I've gotten as far as 83, which from 35 6 weeks ago is still huge.

      These sorts of programs work out much better with peers so that you can encourage each other. It's something you can do at your desk if you have 2 or 3 co-workers who want to join you and it's really invigorating. You get to see what kind of people you're working with, too.

      -Peter

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    41. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One doesn't imply the other - people can be inefficient but within a small margin.

      I wasn't using one to imply the other, I was stating both as true. Now, I don't have any scientific studies on hand to show that either is true, but I have read about studies into this, besides having observed anecdotal evidence of my own.

      If there was really a significant variance - it would show up in a bunch of places

      Yeah, and it does. It shows up all over the place where there are people who are rather strict about their diet and are still heavier than others who overeat. It even happens for particular people over time-- someone who's thin at 20 eating whatever he wants may need to be more strict about his diet later in life.

      The phenomenon has been observed for a long time, and there isn't any real disagreement about whether it happens. It's just that, since they haven't nailed down all the causes and don't have treatments yet, often the best they can offer is "eat less and exercise more". That's good advice, but it's not the end of the story.

      There has been evidence that changes in emotional and psychology states can have an effect on your metabolism. Being stressed out can not only cause you to put on more fat, but it can even cause you to put on fat in different places. There have been studies that suggest that the kind of bacteria in your digestive system has an effect on how many calories you'll absorb from a set amount of food.

      So I'm not saying that advising people to exercise more and eat less is bad, but just pointing out that the reality of what goes on in our bodies is much more complicated than "number of calories eaten - number of calories worked off by exercise = number of calories turned into fat". If you see a fat guy and a skinny guy, it's not necessarily true that they skinny guy eats less or exercises more.

    42. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rgviza · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LOL Yep. Dude if your personal fitness is a priority, get a new job. I used to work like that. It's not worth it. It will lead to an early death. I found a job that pays a little less where I work 40 hours a week. I work out 2 hours a day, 4-5 times a week.

      You need to figure out what you want. Working 60 hours a week is completely fucked and not worth your health. If you think they won't hesitate to lay you off you are sadly mistaken. So why should you be loyal to them? Hard work and dedication buys you _nothing_ in today's work world. Working a sensible job and taking care of yourself buys you a longer lifespan.

      What would you rather have? Personally I'd like to see my great grandchildren. At least if you work out you are guaranteed some sort of benefit by doing so. You will definitely look better and you might live longer. That's tangible and real.

      If you work 60 hours a week, it will cost you your health and there's no guarantee it will have any career benefit. Been there, did the work, did a fantastic job and got laid off by relocation. Never again. Learn from my mistakes.

      -Viz

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    43. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      The OP said he can't get up early or work out before bed, which is nonsense. Everybody's a little different, but I found that I actually needed less sleep, slept more soundly, and felt more refreshed in the morning, when I exercised regularly, particularly when I did so shortly before bedtime. Exhausting my body also helped to keep it more in sync with my mental state, whereas after an 8 hour day I can feel mentally drained, but not get sleepy for hours after a normal bedtime.

      I get migraine headaches if I wake up before 7 AM. I have a regular headache, all day, if I wake up before 8 AM.

      I'm a night owl, and my period of peak alertness and energy is 10PM to 2AM. I can exercise and do any chore at that time, and it doesn't feel taxing or draining at all. You sound like you might be a morning lark.

      I've tried for 10 years ( the 10 years since I was 18, had control of my life and schedule ) to "buck up" , discipline myself, stop being a complainer, and all that other bullshit. It was 10 years of pure misery, with no benefit. The fact is, my body and metabolism is just different than yours.

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  2. CrossFit by Officer+Friendly · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.crossfit.com/ - works very well and can be done almost anywhere with little or no equipment.

    1. Re:CrossFit by bmwm3nut · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where did you get a 56lb kettlebell? I've only seen 24Kg=53lb or the ones that are rounded up to 55lb.

      Anyway, Crossfit is the only way to go. It's a great workout, and it's especially great if you can go to a Crossfit gym. Having people around you pushing you makes you go even harder and get into even better shape. I did Crossfit on my own for a while, and saw lots of improvements in my fitness compared to the normal gym rat stuff I did. Then I joined a Crossfit gym and I saw another round of gains. I can honestly say I'm in the best shape of my life right now, and I only workout for 10-20 minutes a day.

  3. Exercise while you work. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:Exercise while you work. by qoncept · · Score: 3, Funny


      Want to lose up to 57 lbs in one year?
      Can't find enough time to get to the gym?
      Spend lots of time in front of a computer?
      Are you a stupid douche bag with no sense for practicality?

      If you answered Yes, Yes and Yes and Yes and Yes and Yes, then welcome to the solution...the Treadmill Desk.

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    2. Re:Exercise while you work. by forkazoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have been working night shift in a NOC lately, myself. Deep into my 12 hour shifts, there is almost nobody in the building, so I can do laps. I carry my blackberry which will yell if I actually have to respond to an outage. I'm never more than 30 seconds away from my desk while I do laps. It's also easy to do jumping jacks, pushups and situps while with line of sight to my desk. Add in the occasional jumping jacks, and I'm oddly enough probably getting myself in better shape since having started this schedule. Go figure.

      Of course, there is also the days off. I could theretically use those for excercise. I used to be in the habit of jogging when I had a working iPod because I could listen to education audio books while I ran. Now I can be at work while I run. I think I feel silly if the only thing I'm doing is running. As much as I know it is important, I don't really feel it is an accomplishment on its own.

      Also, be careful with what you eat. Quantity is obviously a concern, but quality is a huge factor as well. On this schedule, I never really have time to cook the days that I work. The result is that I eat more burgers than would be ideal since that's the most convenient thing. When I'm at work, I often microwave frozen TV dinners or cans of soup with enough sodium to preserve an elephant. I'm trying to make a point of sticking to fruit juice instead of energy drinks, making the TV dinners the 'healthy' option, and at least squeezing in enough time to eat something better than a burger on my way home from work.

  4. Walk by scubamage · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seriously, walk around. Get up, and stretch. Take a walk at lunch. Take the long way through the halls. Eat properly - high fiber, high protein. Sneak into a side room and do wall pushups. Use your imagination - imagination and intelligence is what makes geeks awesome. Use your gifts.

    1. Re:Walk by Toe,+The · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And wear ankle weights and such so that your simple motions are more workout-like.

      If you wear wrist weights, then simple typing will be a bit of a workout. Though I imagine you would be more likely to suffer from ergonomic problems in that case.

    2. Re: Walk by jayme0227 · · Score: 5, Funny

      From what I hear, you can do kegel exercises nearly anywhere at any time.

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    3. Re:Walk by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...wear ankle weights

      In most IT shops these are call 'shackles' and are provided by your boss.

  5. In a bind by riceboy50 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have certainly painted the situation in such a way that you feel you have no time to do anything except sleep, eat, and work. If working out is a major priority to you, perhaps you should be looking for a less demanding job?

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    1. Re:In a bind by halsver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the bare minimum, you need to move closer to where you work. Your commute is costing you your health and is eating your paycheck. Looking at the money you are making versus the costs, you might be better off working at the 7-11 down the street.

      Where does your social life fit in to this? I know when I work a 60+ hour week I need the weekend just to unwind, let alone see friends or do things I enjoy.

      My solution, get an apartment within 5 miles of your work and then ride a bicycle there.

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    2. Re:In a bind by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      What had me wondering was if he didn't have time for anything but working, sleeping, and eating, why does he want to be fit? Gees, he should start smoking; he already doesn't have a life.

    3. Re:In a bind by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1 to getting an apartment. If he is wasting 3 hours per day on a commute, that's 60 hours a month. More than enough to pay for a cheap studio apartment in some urban housing block even in the most expensive of cities.

  6. Move and Bike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Move closer and/or bike into work.

    It's rewarding and fun, and a little bit of biking every day goes a long way toward staying in shape.

    Well, the biking is fun, the moving sucks.

  7. Madness by hibiki_r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Working those hours, in a night shift, that far from home, seems to me like a terrible long term arrangement. You'll cut years off your life. It'll make sure you can't get even a semblance of a social life. As a support job, it might not even pay enough as to allow you to see it as a temporary sacrifice for a better lifestyle later.

    Look for another job, pronto.

    1. Re:Madness by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note to OP: Start looking for a new job now.

      I worked a shift like that, for a couple of years. Luckily I lived close by, but it was enough.even with that. I gained like 10-15 pounds, I was as bored as shit, and really had few opportunities to do anything. Happily, I was anything but fat to begin with, so I didn't blimp up, but I am still living with the extra weight years later.

      For my part, I took the job because I was younger, less experienced, and they had rate cuts at the old place which were likely to turn into layoffs. It was a horrendous job, not simply because of the hours (which I had some limited experience with before), but also because of the shitty place I worked.

      I hope this person takes the people who tell him to get another job very seriously. I was already married when I took the job, so I didn't end up without a chance at being with someone of the opposite sex, but I would have been if I had been single. Even worse, I saw absolutely none of my friends unless I radically altered my sleep schedule, which I would pay for later.

        I was out of shape, stressed, and I even started getting a little paranoid and otherwise neurotic. All of this from a person who stays up late by default anyway.

      You will come to understand that no matter how late you tend to go to bed, you are still ten times better off going to bed before the sun starts rising. I went to bed at 4AM this morning, got up for a 9AM install and I feel better than some days that I got 8 hours of "sleep" on my 7PM-7AM or my 7PM-5AM shifts. And my commute was basically only 12 miles on streets where all the traffic was going the other way, if you get my drift. Any sort of commute would almost ensure that I was trying to get to sleep around the time that the school buses and garbage trucks started showing up.

      There is only one reason to take a job like that... a stopgap job between your last job and your next job. If you make a career out of that shift, you will have no career, no life, and no health. Keeping off the weight is the least of your worries. I mean it.

    2. Re:Madness by pjabardo · · Score: 4, Funny

      With his kind of life, cutting years off his life is an advantage!!!

  8. Work / Life balance by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try it.

    The excuse of "I work too much to stay in shape" is just an excuse to not work out.

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  9. 2 solutions by WilyCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been in your situation and there are only two possible solutions:

    -get a new job

    -move closer to your existing job.

  10. From the sound of it, you can't by VeeCee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly, those are hellish hours and frankly I think you're insane for working that much. My honest answer, as someone who works out 6 days a week but works a pretty normal 9-5 is that, if I had your job, I wouldn't work out either.

  11. Working too much by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are working/commuting too much. IMHO, you should be looking to first reduce your hours spent working/commuting. With the schedule you have laid out, you dont have time to properly work out and its not good for your mental health either. The body and mind need rest to operate well, by throwing in physical exercise, you are only going to become more fatigued.

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  12. A few simple things.. by modi123 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are looking for some basic things the 100 pushups, 200 squats, and 200 situps work pretty well and do not require much. Even a bike trainer to use while watching tv de-stressing at home would be great. Outside of that you will need to fight for some of your life back. Get time from your boss, make time! Most companies have small gyms at work see if you can get one floated past committee.

  13. Watch what you eat by Albanach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do anything you can to move about - look for a further away parking spot, rather than one close to the door. Take the stairs. You do get breaks, yes? Walk during them.

    And watch what you eat. I can imagine that on such a shift the temptation will be to nibble on high calorie snacks and drink lots of soft drinks.

    Try and take healthy snacks that you can nibble through the night, and get a water bottle, keep it full and drink lots.

    Could you turn some of your unwinding time into exercise time? Maybe stop at the gym even for thirty minutes on your way home? Or go on your way to work, and use the showers there to get ready for your night-time shift.

  14. Some obvious ones by JerryLove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to be obvious but: do whatever you can do on your breaks.

    I used to go out with someone I met at a work location and do TaiChi. Yoga comes to mind. Crunches/Push-ups/curling a freeweight comes to mind as well.

    After every call (or every 30min without one) drop and do (say) 20 of any of the above. Even if that ends up being once an hour (hour long calls?) a 10-hour-day will have 200 push-ups/stomach crunches (for a freeweight, working it while at your desk isn't bad; but remember to switch arms from time to time).

    Durnig your break, go for a run.

  15. Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a bike rack, a bicycle, a good headlamp and some very reflective clothes.

    Map a bike route from your worksite to a terminus about 6 to 10 miles away (where you can park your car). Optimize the route for safety and speed.

    Drive your car to the terminus every day and ride your bike into work in the morning and back to your car in the evening.

  16. NOt rocket Science by RobertNotBob · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Your current job is incompatable with a healthy lifestyle.

    This isn't rocket science; pick one or the other.

    (I suggest you pick the health, and loose that job)

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  17. Self defeating by Pagey123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I realize that you have a relatively insane schedule, but go back and read your comments. They are nearly all self defeating. Working out regularly is like quitting smoking - it's something YOU have to want to do for yourself and your own benefit. You'd be amazed what a simple set of adjustable dumbbells and a weight bench will do when used for only 20 minutes a day 3 to 4 days per week. Throw in some form of cardio on your days off from lifting, and you're doing far better than most of the general public.

    Also, if you are truly serious about staying in shape, take a good look at your diet. Years ago I switched my diet from overly processed starches and red meats to include more whole grains, skim milk, water, whole fruits and vegetables, and green tea. My energy levels easily doubled. The amount of time I spent sick dropped.

    Seriously, if you truly want to get in shape, you will make time for it. All it takes is making it a habit, which will probably require a 2 month investment on your part, whether you feel like it on a given day or not. There are days when I don't feel 100% like working out, but once I get about 5 minutes into my routine, I am up to the challenge.

  18. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meth. I have yet to run into a fat meth-head.

    1. Re:Easy Solution by sabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or an old one

  19. Workout over your lunch break. by axjms · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do what I do. Bring a workout bag and run or crossfit during your lunch hour. Find a shower in your building or nearby and use it. Or use wet paper towels. Don't laugh it works. Eat your lunch back at your workstation after you workout. I was in a similar situation to you about two years ago and was slowly turning into a slug. I made friends with some one in the building who ran every day rain, snow, or shine. I hurt for about two months but it got better.

    Wait, you say you don't have a lunch hour, work in a city can't run, or a myriad of other excuses. It's all B.S. and I used them all too. If you are working 60 hours a week and being productive you get at least an hour break in there unless you work in a gulag.

    It's worth it, and life is short. I wouldn't trade the fitness I have earned for just about anything.

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  20. Re:Sugars by DeafDumbBlind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you were consuming 3500 calories a day in corn syrup?
    All that matters is calories in vs. calories out.
    The calorie source doesn't matter for weight gain unless you don't get the minimum requirements of a given macro nutrient.
    30 lbs in 30 days just by cutting out corn syrup? I call BS.

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  21. Cycling to work by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I commute to work on a bicycle almost every day. That's 2x11 Km each day. Some of my colleagues have longer commutes.

    I enjoy it a lot, and consider that in Finland there is a ton of bicycle paths, so one doesn't need to risk his/her life while cycling.

    Of course, if you're in most of the US or Canada, you're shit out of luck, but there are some cities that are cyclist-friendly even in North America.

    BTW, as a general comment about your life: I think your lifestyle is deeply fucked. You basically don't have a life. If you are married, you are sacrificing not only yours, but your wife's and your children's life as well. You'll die just like the rest of us, buy you'll wonder where did your life go.

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  22. One word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    TAPEWORM...These little suckers will keep those pesky pounds off with minimal effort.

  23. incorporate exercise into daily routine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. No elevators, no escalators - ALWAYS take the stairs if you can.
    2. Go out to lunch, don't bring your own. This might be hard when working at night; at least walk to a convenience store to buy coffee on your food breaks.
    3. If you drive, park in the farthest place on the parking lot. Walk fast or even run from/to your car if you can't spare the time to walk.
    4. Exercise while at your desk. Get those "stress balls" to exercise your forearms. Do some sit-ups when no one's looking. Go to the bathroom or another floor so you have an excuse to use the stairs. I made a habit of walking up and down 4 flights of stairs every day at work (in addition to using stairs for legitimate things like getting to work)
    5. Drink black coffee, tea, or diet soda. Caffeine increases your metabolism.
    6. Do fast but intense workouts at home: push-ups, sit-ups, stuff that will tire you in 5 minutes if you can't spare more time.
    7. Make up your lost workouts on the weekends.

  24. It's all in what you eat by MetricT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Weight loss is a matter of willpower, but it's also a matter of having the right technique. All the willpower in the world won't help you if you're doing the wrong thing. And weight loss isn't about exercise (at least for me), it was about eating right.

    I spent two years running 30 miles a week, and eating bad foods. I lost 15 pounds in 2 years (and wore my knees out in the process).

    I spent six months eating healthy food and weightlifting 2 days a week. I lost 30 pounds in 6 months.

    Notice the difference.

    1. Cut out sugar, flour, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes from your diet. They spike your insulin and give you that gnawing hunger.
    2. Give yourself 3 skip meals a week where you violate the first rule, but not too much. Only a bit.
    3. Eat a portion of white meat two meals a day. It slows your digestion, and keeps your body from starving itself of protein.
    4. Eat salads, fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts until you are full (but only after eating your protein.

    That's really all there is to it. No secrets. For the first two months, my "exercise" was reading the newspaper in the sauna and I lost 15 lbs in that time. I did start weightlifting after a few months, and have almost doubled my benchpress and legpress weights in only 4 months. My waist has gone from a fat 40" to a loose 34". I feel like a million dollars.

    1. Re:It's all in what you eat by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also not to be underestimated, stop drinking soda. If you drink a lot of soda, try switching to water. I did it a few years ago, and dropped 15 lbs from that alone.

    2. Re:It's all in what you eat by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't an either/or situation. Eating and exercising are *both* necessary, but for me, most of the weight loss was due to diet and not the exercise. As I pointed out, I ran 30 miles a week for two years, and had 1/2 the weight loss I did in 6 months of eating right and weightlifting twice a week.

      You are what you eat. Seriously.

      I didn't say "weight loss," I said "fit." If you want to be skinny, eat little. If you want to be fit, exercise. Fitness isn't a number that you see on a scale; it is your body's ability to perform within reasonable athletic parameters. You can't have that with a sedentary lifestyle regardless of what you consume.

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  25. What a loaded submission - find a new job. by stastuffis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You work a 60-hour work week. Apparently, you also get a poor amount of sleep. Working out involves recovery time. Adequate sleep is paramount to a sound body and mine.

    You can't do a workout program? You can't wake up early? You really can't do anything outside of your days off. You want a magic fit pill? You want longer days? You want what does not exist.

    The answer is blatantly obvious: find a new job or face the fact that your mental and physical state will erode over time.

    It is comforting to know that IT doesn't require common sense.

  26. Move or Die by bloodstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But "Move or Die" can mean many things. First you can move your body: exercising in the simplest ways. Walk a mile when things are slow. If you have time to do push ups and sits ups at work, then you have time to walk as well. Work out every day you aren't at work. Accept that your life is about Work and working out and that you don't have time for anything else. If something else is getting in the way of working out, then accept that working out isn't important enough. unless you're willing to do the second or third move.

    Next "Move where you work": you have to decide if you wish to continue working at a company that appears to have no concern about your physical or mental health and well being. The Company may not care if you're burned out and dying from heart disease in 20 years, but you should be. If you can't do the first or third "Move" you have to decide if the loss of physical health is worth the financial compensation you get.

    Finally: "Move where you live": If the first two options aren't viable, then perhaps you should consider that a 90 minute commute is insane under these circumstances. I personally have an hour commute after a 9 hour day. And I'm seriously considering moving much closer. If you're in a house that's devalued because of the economy, then it sucks, but you have to decide if the financial hit you take from moving (and remember, you'll save a ton on gas every month not driving that 100+ mile trip every day).

    In the end if your health is that important for you, you'll have to figure out what sort of move you want to make, and if none of them are viable, then accept you'll be slowly dying until you change your mind.

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  27. Re: Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no mystery to weight loss. Turn in your geek card if you believe you spontaneously gain weight while eating less than your energy requirements.

    3500 kcal (aka Calories) above or below your your BMR + activity level corresponds to 1 pound gained or lost, respectively.

    If you're 30 years old and 5'10" at 200 pounds, with a sedentary lifestyle, then your BMR is about 2000 kcal/day, and your activity level brings that to about 2400 kcal/day. If you eat 100 kcal/day more, you'll gain a pound in about a month, but if you eat 100 kcal/day less (or just run 3.5 miles/week), then you'll lose a pound in a month. If you do light exercise a couple times/week, you'll probably burn about 2750kcal/day and lose 3 pounds/month.

    That feeling you get that you're "starving" yourself is a product of the fact that you've conditioned yourself to eat when you feel stressed. Learn to tell the difference in hunger and stress. Drink lots of water, take your vitamins, and get plenty of fiber. Focus on eating "filling" foods with little caloric value.

    I'll leave it as an exercise of geekdom for you to figure out the rest. You have to earn back your geek card, OP.

  28. Self powered work station by aitala · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bicycle + generator + power cables + workstation = full shift work out...

    Eric

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  29. A possible solution: the 28 hour day by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've know people who worked 28 or 32 hour "days". That is you just treat 28 hours as you circadian rythm. it means your sleep/wake schedule drifts from the day/night cycle, but it still overlaps it so you can have productive interactions with regular humans. IN your case since you claim you are working all the time, it's obviously not a big deal if you don't perfectly sync with others socially.

    if you go to that cycle then you will now have 4 or 8 extra hours of wake time in which you can exsercize. you are actually awake slightly more of the time so it's a net gain for waking activity.

    people I've know who did this find it sustainable for an entire year.

    if you are really productive working 15 hours a day then you probably are a candidate for this regimen.

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  30. Some ideas by assertation · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't take any time to simply not overeat.

    Overeating is taking in more calories than you burn. The guy who created the company AutoDesk made this great free e-book ( he sells nothing ) for geeks to control their weight that way. It is called the Hacker's Diet:

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

    I have a fuel efficient system too. I used the Hacker's Diet to take off 48 lbs and I have kept most of it off for several years.

    Maybe you can combine managing your calories with a brisk walk or a run for 30 minutes everyday on meal break?

    Off the bat, learn to drink water, diet soda, plain tea or plain coffee while you are at work. Regular soda, tea & coffee condiments, juice, milk and sweet drinks can easily pack on weight. It only takes an extra 250 calories a day ( typical of most drinks ) to put on 52 pounds a year. Most of those other drinks easily have that many calories.

    Good Luck

  31. Wii Fit by dark_requiem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, I bought this thing when it first came out, and I lost 20 pounds in a couple months. I know it seems silly to think that such a non-game will hold your attention and keep you working out, but if you have a desire to work out and lose weight, it will help. If you don't really have an interest in working out, it probably won't hold your attention long. But if you do, it will teach you some basic workouts, and the videogame-esque style may give you that extra ambition to get to it.

  32. Easy way by Tiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The easiest way to avoid gaining fat is to decrease insulin production by avoiding carbs; no bread, pasta, or sugars other than those naturally occurring in fruits and vegetables. Then, eat more legumes and greens.

  33. You can work it in... by spock_iii · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been in your shoes...even made it to 300lbs before I made some changes. [1] Eat small to medium size meals 6 times a day. It's not about quantity of a single feeding, but quality of what you eat and how often you eat. Split food into groups - protein, carbs, fats, vegetables. One serving of each at every meal, 6 times a day. (About every 3 hours.) Just get in the habbit of slaming it down at your desk during those 10 minute slash dot breaks. [2] Buy an adjustable bench. Not a bench/rack/whatever combo, just a padded bench. You should be able to adjust the bench to lay flat, and to 45 degrees up. If it can do 90 degrees up, better, but not necessary. This should cost about $100. [3] Get you a decent set of adjustable dumbells that allow you to dial up a weight with slip on, slip off plates. A good set will run about $400 - $500 dollars but is well worth it. It should allow weights between 10 and 60 lbs or so. [4] Buy a $30 book on weight training to learn good technique. The Schwartzeneger encylopedia is a good one. [5] At this point, you've spent about $600, less than a yearly gym membership and have something that fits in your place, even if it's a 1 room flat. You can work out on your terms. [6] Work out 3 to 4 times a week for 45 minutes. No more, no less. You should do 15 - 20 sets of a variety of exercises with 30 seconds to 2 minutes rest between sets. [7] You can do flys, pullovers, presses, and abs from the bench. You can have dumbells in hand and step from the floor to the bench to work legs, or dumbel between feet and extend. If you do this - only asking for a 2.5 hour comittment per week here - you will be exercising effectively and go through some amazing changes. Me? I lost 100lbs and now do inclined benches at over 315 lbs. The personal trainers ask me for help.

  34. Waaay too much. by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the schedule he's laid out, he barely has enough time to sleep. By my count, he's got just one hour a day to prepare meals, read a book, date...

    You're going to get fat and lonely with a schedule like that, and the loneliness is only going to make you fatter as you try to fill the void with food, and the kind of food you'll have access to with only an hour to prepare and eat is not going to be very slimming, even if you use peapod.

    If he can't change the 12-hour days, at least get a small apartment near the business, or even on premises. I guarantee that a company of any decent size is going to have an executive apartment somewhere that goes mostly unused. Even if he has to clear out half the time, that's still saving three hours of commute on every evening he can avoid going home. That's three hours you could be cooking, relaxing, working out, working out with a partner, keeping up on professional development, getting drunk, learning to sing... the list is literally endless.

    Check the classified ads, also. Sometimes people are looking to rent a room, and the price is therefore pretty good (well, crappy for the sq. footage, but fine for "a place to get some sack time") They'll love you, because you won't even be around half the time, let alone making noise or commotion. Obviously, you need to be careful there, but it's not like you just start renting without even meeting the people first.

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  35. EAT LESS by erroneus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jesus Christ. And I definitely have the problem too so I am not pointing fingers at "everyone else but me." It is HARD to eat less, especially as you get older. I used to shut down pizza buffet restaurants in my 20s. But when I hit my 30s, things started to change and I should have paid closer attention but the change was gradual. So while I continued to eat the amounts and types of foods I was accustomed to, my body was changing the way it handles things.

    Initially I compensated by placing a weight bench next to my bed. Every morning after waking up, I would almost literally roll over onto the bench and start doing reps. The results were good. Not only did I wake up better getting the heart moving and being more alert, but immediately following that, I took my morning shower and was fresh as anything without any serious interruption of my morning schedule. That didn't last long after I got married. A weight bench in the bedroom did not go over well. But let's face it; if it wasn't for being convenient, I NEVER would have done it in the first place.

    So now, I simply make a concerted effort to eat LESS. And believe me, it is HARD. For those who know what "Whataburger" is, who could say no to a double-double with bacon? NOT ME!! That is a hard habit to break let me tell you. But my body reminds me a lot lately when I am overeating -- I get FULL and uncomfortable... but that is only because I am actually making the effort to eat less and my stomach has literally shrunk allowing less food at any one time.

    Changing habits is a really hard thing to do, especially when it's something as pleasurable as food. But that's what it means to be human -- smart enough to know better. Just make the effort to eat less. Just do it.

  36. Fit in mini-workouts by truparad0x · · Score: 2, Informative

    As someone who has worked in a stressful job with little free time, I understand how hard it can be to stay in shape. While I am in a better situation with regular weight and cardio workouts, there was a time I saw my weight go up and up. I did finally take charge and started doing "mini-workouts". Whether while brushing my teeth or during bathroom breaks at work, I would do pushups, squats, lunges, or calf raises. Body weight, of course. While this does nothing for your cardio health, I was able to increase my strenght and lose a bit (5 - 10 lb) of weight. I was up to 2 sets of 40 pushups twice a week. Squats and lunges were 50 at a time. I did 90 calf raises per set. I even managed to do some neutral grip pullups using stall doors. Each "workout" lasted at most 5 min on top of my bathroom break (people have smoking breaks, I have workout breaks). And i know, pushups on a bathroom floor is nasty, but there's soap and water nearby. Point is, if you want to squeeze in workouts, you can. Even though I go to the gym now, I still take stairs going up at my workplace now. Sometimes I toss in some body weight squats while brushing my teeth. Watching TV? Crank out 20 pushups during commercials. If there's a will, there's a way. Also, diet is actually the most important part of losing weight. Minimize sugar, salt, junk food. Soda? Drink diet. Coffee? Drink black no sugar, or at least milk and artificial sweetener. Need a snack? PB&J on one slice of whole wheat bread. So many ways to cut down. Good luck.

  37. Re: Mod parent up by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That feeling you get that you're "starving" yourself is a product of the fact that you've conditioned yourself to eat when you feel stressed.

    Actually, its a very common symptom of type2 diabetes, along with dehydration that gets worse when you drink sugar-soda, thirsty all the time, tired out, heavy central body buildup of fat, perhaps you have foot problems to some extent, etc... Conveniently the treatment for type2 boils down to lower carb diet, exercise, and lose some weight, at least at the start, which seems to be the treatment plan everyone else is suggesting for merely being fat. There are of course expensive pills that may or may not help you, but would absolutely make someone a lot of money.

    Needless to say I'm not a (medical) doctor, although I can diagnose that anyone asking for medical advice on slashdot is obviously showing clinical indications of mental insanity. A MD can quickly and trivially check your blood sugar levels to either prove this or rule it out, more or less. Probably worth checking out. Probably a good idea to visit your MD before beginning an exercise routine anyway.

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  38. Use a ball by djheru · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some people where I work sit on those exercise balls. While you're not busy, you can do mini crunches, and even while you're just sitting there, you will be using your ab and back muscles much more to support your posture. Also, stand up and stretch for a few minutes every hour. It's better than nothing.

  39. Eating by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Figure out how many calories you eat in a day (doesn't have to be exact) and see how that stacks up with average for such a sedentary lifestyle. While you won't be "in shape" per se, you can at least help to curb weight gain by not eating more than you need, and making sure what you DO eat is high in fiber, contains more complex carbs than sugars, and lots of lean protein.

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  40. Nonetheless by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You will feel better in just about every way for however many years that you do happen to live.

    1. Re:Nonetheless by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You will feel better...

      ... until the moment of your death when you will be thinking, "I could have eaten that Twinkie."

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  41. The simple solution is to FIND exercise... by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...where there normally isnt. For some people, it's just a kitchen, but to a workout freak like me, I practice the refrigerator door pull, about 3 sets of 12 reps each, burn those calories. Open the door, you think it's just a 6 pack, but each one in that pack for the workout fanatic, means a hectic fast paced 24oz wrist curl for each wrist, about 3 sets of 12 reps each. Practice restraint by tensing the muscles to prevent unnecessary rushed gulping. You get the idea; just take another look around at the house...

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  42. Re: Mod parent up by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    A true geek would know that anything like BMR (such as BMI) is based on a statistically calculated average value. In this case, the BMR is based on the 3500 kcal value which is calculated based on what experimental results show to be the metabolism of the average person. The problem is that not everyone is even close to that average value. There will always be people that stray towards the extremes of humanly possible values. People with hypoglycemia can eat like crazy and never gain weight. People that make it to being among the world's fattest people, most likely, have the other extreme for a metabolism (it's one thing to get fat, but most normal people would have a hard time reaching 1000 lbs even if they tried). As I alluded to above, this is similar to how many muscular people have horrible BMI values even though they have minuscule percentages of body fat. They break the scale because it's designed to assume that the person has "average" musculature. Specifically, the military is known to make exceptions for this, specific, problem when muscle-bound applicants fail the BMI requirements for entry into the service.

    Also, the feeling of "starving" may have more to do with the quantity of food he's conditioned his body to expect rather than any feeling of stress.

    Feel free to get behind the OP in the line to turn in your geek card...

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  43. Costs of 12 Hour Shift by hackus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope you have excellent health insurance because your going to need it.

    Otherwise, dump the 12 hour schedule and the job, and let some other poor sucker get heart disease or diabetes.

    Not only that, your skill sets are declining.

    When you go to a I.T. job you deal with the same equipment and same issues everyday. That is OK if you are just starting out, but if you are 2 years into the job, start looking for a different job once you get the idea of this one.

    After you get some experience start your own private practice and make your own time to exercise.

    I can't remember the last time I worked 12 hours, and if I did it was because of some disaster, or a boss that could not plan his time correctly, which I fired. (Got a different boss.) I usually work 10 hours with lunch.

    I hope to god you are only working like 4 day weeks as even blue collar people I know do not work those sorts of hours and you better be making huge amounts of cash.

    I bill out at $120 an hour right now for a typical 40-50 hour week.

    -Hack

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  44. Don't Listen to Anyone Else on this Thread by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of them are going to give you advice you can't implement. I understand where you're coming from and I can actually help you as long as you don't mind the possibility of looking slightly foolish at work.

    You work 12 hours a day. I know that you aren't continuously engaged in productive work. No one is. So start there. Every 3 hours take a 15 minute break and do the following:

    Set a timer for 5 minutes then do:
    100x Jumping Jacks
    50x Pushups
    50x Bodyweight Squats
    50x Leg Raises
    50x Crunches,
    50x Russian twists (Russian twist is going halfway up in a crunch, then turning left to right, each direction is one)

    When you first start out you will probably not finish this in 5 minutes. It doesn't matter. Stop at 5 minutes. Go get some water, walk around for 5 minutes and catch your breath.
    Now go eat an apple and a handful of peanuts or sunflower seeds or some other healthy snack.

    When you eat lunch eat a sandwhich, or a big salad, or a chicken breast, not a bigmac or a whole cheese pizza. Keep a GENERAL IDEA of how many calories you are eatting and keep it somewhere in the 1600-1700 range. You don't have to be precise here, just don't knock down the Triple Whopper and you should be ok.

    Do NOT drink sodas. You drink WATER. Nothing else. Vitamin Water or Life Water is acceptable, Powerade and Gatorade are not.

    Coffee is acceptable, but not recommended.

    Eat every 3 hours, a smallish meal, approximately 6 times a day. Your target is an average of 300 calories per meal, but it's flexible.

    And if you want to know what makes me qualified to give this advice and why you should listen to me:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kintanon&search_type=

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  45. Think about your advantages instead of excuses... by TheCage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You list about 10 disadvantages in your question. Why not focus on your advantages instead?

    - You have 2-3 days off per week (Great time to exercise!)
    - You work in an office (Every one I've been to has a fridge/microwave that can be used to store healthy foods).
    - You probably have a lot of down time at work (Why not do push ups or run around? I used to think this would look silly in the office until I realized that being fat looks far sillier and letting others determine my success was foolish.

    I bet you could list a lot more yourself, like maybe you really enjoy playing a certain sport

    You will NEVER be succeed with your current attitude.

  46. Speaking of Miracle Solutions by klenwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may also want to look at this:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/can-you-get-fit-in-six-minutes-a-week/?em

    Even 6 minutes a week, with the breaks described and the equipment, may be more than is possible for you. But you're going to need to find some kind of optimization obviously.

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  47. Polyphasic Sleep by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Helpful timetable: http://xkcd.com/320/

    I didn't realise people had actually tried it :)

    It's not clear to me how this actually *gains* you time. Sure, you have 4 extra hours a day, but there's now only 6 days in a week. The number of hours in a week obviously doesn't change, so you can't magic extra hours out of nothing. The extra hours staying up awake is compensated by sleeping for longer (unless there is evidence to suggest that people don't need to sleep extra on this cycle?) My understanding was the benefits weren't more time overall, but that it fits in better with people's desire to stay up later each day, as well as meaning you can go out all night on weekends (but it doesn't sound like the person here has much time for partying...)

    If he really wants a sleep pattern that gives him vastly more time, then he might like to look into polyphasic sleep patterns, which involves only taking short (e.g., 30 minutes) naps several times throughout the 24 hour period, requiring in only a few hours sleep in total each day. (I have not tried this myself, nor AFAIK is it known what the long term effects of this might be!)

  48. Can you get fit on six minutes a week? by wisebabo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you'll find this article in the NYTimes to be of interest:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/can-you-get-fit-in-six-minutes-a-week/