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Times Are Tough For Nigerian Scammers

The Narrative Fallacy writes "The Washington Post reports that online swindling takes dedication even in the best of times but succeeding in the midst of a worldwide economic meltdown takes patience, resolve, and hard work. 'We are working harder. The financial crisis is not making it easy for them over there,' said Banjo, 24, speaking about Americans, whose trust he has won and whose money he has fleeced, via his Dell laptop. 'They don't have money. And the money they don't have, we want.' US authorities say Americans — the easiest prey, according to Nigerian scammers — still lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year to cybercrimes, including a scheme known as the Nigerian 419 fraud, named for a section of the Nigerian criminal code. 419 is cemented in Nigerian popular culture. and the scammers, known as 'yahoo-yahoo boys,' are glorified in pop songs such as 'Yahoozee,' which gained even more fame after former secretary of state Colin L. Powell danced to it at a London festival last year."

232 comments

  1. breaking my heart by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I only wish the reason was because our education was getting the job done.

    1. Re:breaking my heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder, though, if the District 9 movie will help (reasonable) people make the connection between scammers and our oft-ignorant American society. It's not just a sci-fi flick about oppressed aliens...

    2. Re:breaking my heart by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was going to make a post that indirectly pointed out that "Internet Scams" would be a little out of place on a Class Schedule, but then I realized that school calls it "English 101".

    3. Re:breaking my heart by SlashWombat · · Score: 1

      Since the article states that the most exploited race is "Americans", what does this say about relative IQ's?

    4. Re:breaking my heart by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know - but when you read that the scammers are being effectively scammed themselves, it warms my heart.

      But in these tough times, the scammers said, they are relying more on a crucial tool: voodoo. At times, Banjo said, he has traveled six hours to the forest, where a magician sells scam-boosters. A $300 powder supposedly helps scammers "speak with authority" when demanding payment. A powder, rubbed on the face, reportedly makes victims viewing the scammer through webcams powerless to say no.

      "No matter what, they will pay," said Olumide, a college student, adding that he is boosting his romance scams by wearing a magical, live tortoise hanging from a cord around his neck.

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    5. Re:breaking my heart by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Checkout this Scambaiting advice site:
      http://www.419eater.com/

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    6. Re:breaking my heart by kikito · · Score: 1

      Scamming nigerian scammers by selling them voodoo. That is so great.

    7. Re:breaking my heart by assertation · · Score: 1

      I only wish the reason was because our education was getting the job done.

      How much education do you need to refuse a total stranger access to your bank account?

    8. Re:breaking my heart by davidpack01 · · Score: 0

      Why don't you grow a pair and post this Nazi garbage under a real user account?

    9. Re:breaking my heart by rs79 · · Score: 1

      The anti-419 movement is bigger than you'd think or know and they don't talk.

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    10. Re:breaking my heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know - but when you read that the scammers are being effectively scammed themselves, it warms my heart.

      Except that said magical turtle actually works.

    11. Re:breaking my heart by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      How much education do you need to refuse a total stranger access to your bank account?

      If the simple fact that many have provided funds or access is an indication, then I'd say LOTS.

    12. Re:breaking my heart by thechao · · Score: 1

      School of hard knocks?

    13. Re:breaking my heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they probably found out they qualified for an OBAMA bailout ....

    14. Re:breaking my heart by WarlockD · · Score: 1

      ...

      ou know... I would pay $100 bucks to see someone wear a live tortoise with white ponder on his neck telling me about the "millions" he has available.

      The Google ads alone would give me double that back. Once I record and upload to youtube :)

  2. Well, obviously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    If these Nigerian scammers were any good, they'd be working at Goldman Sachs, not pulling penny-ante internet operations...

    1. Re:Well, obviously... by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If these Nigerian scammers were any good, they'd be working at Goldman Sachs, not pulling penny-ante internet operations...

      What makes you think the difference has anything to do with differences in ability and is unrelated to geographic opportunity?

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    2. Re:Well, obviously... by Rainbird98 · · Score: 1

      So I guess gold-plated bonuses of over one million dollars each to over a thousand employees are justified? I think not!

    3. Re:Well, obviously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My post was a combination of whoring for "funny" and impotently expressing my displeasure with Goldman's more or less perfect execution of regulatory capture.

      If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market. I have no love for scammers, and I'd be delighted to have them all hunted down; but underestimating the capabilities needed for crime, particularly fraud based crime, is just silly.

    4. Re:Well, obviously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm doing exactly that. The fact that they "made it through the crisis" and many of their competitors didn't(and the guys who owed them money were bailed out, allowing those debts to be paid in full, so it isn't directly government money) merely makes them the most successful of the scammers.

    5. Re:Well, obviously... by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market.

      And the difference between those people and Goldman's employees is?

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    6. Re:Well, obviously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      The former live in a backwater that escapes the label "dystopian" only through lack of technological development, while the latter have a revolving door between Wall Street and government all across the first world?

    7. Re:Well, obviously... by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everyone needed government money, if AIG had failed Goldman would be dust in the wind (their hedges wouldn't have paid off, because no one would have had money). Also, they only are making money because of the cheap FDIC loans which are still providing government subsidized loans.

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    8. Re:Well, obviously... by jhol13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are you implying guys in GS are any good?

      I do not know GS particularly, but the idea is the same: few get money (bosses), no real money is involved ("dyed money"/"futures") and the customer are lied.

    9. Re:Well, obviously... by citizenr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're pretty much the only major financial institution to make it through this crisis without falling for the scams and without needing government money.

      Thats cos THEY were the ones running scams, GS almost single handedly crushed Polish currency at the beginning of this year.

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    10. Re:Well, obviously... by oldhack · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn straight. Nobody scams better.

      USA! USA!

      Damn.

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    11. Re:Well, obviously... by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      a backwater that escapes the label "dystopian" only through lack of technological development

      And this is different from the federal government how?

    12. Re:Well, obviously... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meme or not, you and everyone in the Western world needs to get used to the idea that a very small number of Golden Boys on Wall Street, in cahoots with a somewhat larger number of politicians, managed to STEAL billions of dollars from small investors and taxpayers.

      There has been little secrecy regarding deregulation of the securities and exchanges over the last 16 to 20 years. The democrats played ball with Wall Street when Clinton was in, then Bush came along and got serious about deregulation. Wall Street knew all along that they were selling worthless paper to fools who were happy to buy that worthless paper on credit. The emperor had no clothes, but no one wanted to recognize that fact.

      Look at the events that brought down Wall Street in 1929, then look again at our recent crisis. Really look at them, then come back to explain any substantial differences.

      If, and I emphasize IF, we really have reached the bottom, and we are on our way up again, then we have been far more lucky than we deserve. There were blatantly obvious signs of how much trouble we were in, as far back as the Enron scandal. A decent economist with a real education should have seen what was happening as much as 5 years before the Enron scandal broke.

      Fools and crooks. To hold Goldman Sachs out as being better than the rest of Wall Street is to admit that they were fools, if lesser fools than their buddies sitting in offices all around them.

      Don't be sick or the "meme". Instead, get sick of, and get outraged at our economics "experts" who dug the hole that we are in today. The meme is here, and it will be around for quite awhile. The only question is, are we going to learn from it, or will we do this again in 20 to 50 years?

      Go on, call a spade a spade. Bigtime thieves and fools put the screws to all us little fools. And we are still damned fools, for allowing the bastards to have their bonuses. Plain English defines a bonus as something earned for superior performance. There is no one on Wall Street who has earned a bonus in recent history.

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    13. Re:Well, obviously... by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      The worst is yet to come my friend. Once those a-holes realized they have not broken the bank, they'll do it all over again for more money.

    14. Re:Well, obviously... by ParticleGirl · · Score: 1

      If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market.

      Why "unprincipled"? I mean, Robin Hood was principled... Maybe you just mean that they don't value your values.

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    15. Re:Well, obviously... by yogibaer · · Score: 1

      Which would also entitle them to a government bailout. Problem solved. Bonus saved.

    16. Re:Well, obviously... by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      The government the 419s have chosen to infect is not nearly as powerful as the one GS has chosen to manipulate; therefore, there will be no bailout of the 419ers

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    17. Re:Well, obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The loud WHOOSH is the joke going over your head not once but TWICE.

    18. Re:Well, obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that geographic opportunity is not rendered irrelevant by differences in ability?

    19. Re:Well, obviously... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      So I guess gold-plated bonuses of over one million dollars each to over a thousand employees are justified? I think not!

      Why not? It only sums up to a billion dollars. Compare that to the trillions of dollars various financial institutions managed to lose in the latest example of the awesomeness of free market.

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    20. Re:Well, obviously... by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      They're pretty much the only major financial institution to make it through this crisis without falling for the scams and without needing government money. In fact, they were forced to take it by the government so that people wouldn't single out companies receiving bailout money as being failures

      There is an-oth-eerrrrrrr.

    21. Re:Well, obviously... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market.

      And the difference between those people and Goldman's employees is?

      Compensation. A good G-S banker wouldn't let their limo back out of the driveway for 60k/month.

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    22. Re:Well, obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, are we now so Goddamn politically correct that we have to show equal respect to a set of 'principles' that includes such as values as 'steal from others just to make a living for myself'? Sorry, my tolerance of relativism is way way to low to accept bullshit like that.

    23. Re:Well, obviously... by treat · · Score: 1

      There were blatantly obvious signs of how much trouble we were in, as far back as the Enron scandal. A decent economist with a real education should have seen what was happening as much as 5 years before the Enron scandal broke.

      What? I think this is a great example of the lack of understanding about economics that lets these professional US-based scammers get away with it.

      If Enron is the earliest sign of the current financial disaster, then years are being forgotten.

      How an economist could identify the Enron scam as it was being built up, that's just a strange statement. I'm not sure you even understand the nature of what was going on at Enron to make a statement like that.

      Enron lied and left huge gaps in their SEC filings. You can't uncover lies by reading the same document more carefully. It's like proving or disproving the Bible with it as your only resource. And just because there's a gap in their explanation doesn't mean there's a massive business-destroying fraud going on. It's normal to leave big gaps in the quarterly/annual reports and balance sheets.

      I also don't think you understand what an economist does...

    24. Re:Well, obviously... by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Maybe you just mean that they don't value your values.

      I know you are kidding and can't actually believe that bullshit you spew, but in case you are really that unbelievably stupid, please know that these guys are not "robin hoods". They have other opportunities. For example, they have access to computers with which they could create revenue in honest ways. Plus, for you to assert that they have no opportunity means that you buy into some pretty racist notions about the ability Africans to create opportunity for themselves.

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    25. Re:Well, obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robin Hood was stealing from the evil government what it has itself stolen from the rightful owners. He was a true libertarian hero. Statists like you disgust me.

    26. Re:Well, obviously... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Enron made several things obvious.

      1. Lack of integrity among business executives
      2. Lack of responsibility among the accountants
      3. An overlap of authority, with executives ordering and/or intimidating accountants
      4. Lack of oversight by government through it's regulatory agencies
      5. Obvious burning greed among executives - even AFTER Enron burned to the ground, executives expected to get their "performance" bonuses.
      6. A legal system that managed to find cretins low enough to represent said executives in their claims for bonuses.
      7. Numerous statements made by executive elitests around the country, coming to the defense of said executives, especially their "right" to collect those bonuses.

      It matters little who lied where, when, or how - Enron made it obvious that Corporate America's investment schemes were nothing more than shady deals made in secrecy, using fraudulently obtained investor's funds. Enron made it blindingly obvious that executives expect huge payoffs, with no responsibility. Elitism, taken to an extreme. "Oh, we went to good schools, and we know all the right people, we're ENTITLED to millions in bonuses, no matter WHAT happens to your stupid company!"

      If we have failed to learn any lessons from the financial meltdown, we will be repeating the same mistakes soon.

      Oh, let's not forget another failure. That of the general population of America. Idol worship. We tend to idolize anyone who is "successful". If some egotistical freak has millions of dollars, we tend to emulate him, in our choice of clothes, manner of speech, choice of cars, choice of diet. We worship the guy with lots of toys, and we want to be just like him - no matter that he has no moral character. Michael Jackson, anyone?

      Systemic failure, from top to bottom.

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    27. Re:Well, obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this relates to Nigerian scammers how? Is a poor, gullible 65 year old retiree from Anytown USA part of some 'evil government' that the Nigerians actually deserve to steal money from? Gimme a break.

      I know the poster above mentioned Robin Hood in their justifications. I'm well aware that morality is not black and white when an oppressive regime abuses the populace (where it might be within the moral rights of the people to fight back). That situation is simply not relevant to this discussion. And to forestall the next argument: if Nigerians have a legitimate gripe with their government selling them out to outside interests like Western oil companies (for example), that still does not justify scamming a 3rd party - they should be working to change their government.

    28. Re:Well, obviously... by ParticleGirl · · Score: 1

      I definitely don't think that they're robin hoods, nor do I doubt that such creative, motivated, successful people would have tons of other opportunities (where did you bring in opportunity and race?! That was NOWHERE in my post!) I simply point out that there are LOTS of different sets of "values" in the world, and that to call these guys unprincipled does not take into account the cultural context in which they are operating. Clearly, perpetrating one of these scams in this culture is NOT a deceitful act on par with our perception of Bernie Madoff in our culture-- there are popular pop songs about the practice for goodness sake! So before you call them "unprincipled," I simply say remember that there are other principles besides yours at work.

      In other words: Try to have an open mind. That includes looking beyond your kneejerk reaction (racism?! What does that say about you?) and recognizing that not everyone thinks like you do, or values what you do.

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    29. Re:Well, obviously... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Actually the biggest scam of all is that the US ended up with a bunch of consumer goods and China ended up with potentially worthless paper.

      Put that in your opium pipe and smoke it.

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    30. Re:Well, obviously... by WarlockD · · Score: 1

      The worst is yet to come my friend. Once those a-holes realized they have not broken the bank, they'll do it all over again for more money.

      Its worst than that. We have been on a bubble loop for the last 30 years. What we might be seeing right now is another bubble forming due to the excess cash that was introduced by our government. We haven't had a "real" recession in a while if you think of it. Each one was mild, just being worst than the last. My house is worth just as much as it was 30 years ago. No one I know, who makes under 50k, has had a decent raise in 10 years. I don't see anywhere to go but down.

      We have been given some uppers, but they arn't going to last for a few more years. I just hope that when we crash again in five years, it won't take the states with us.

  3. Too bad, niggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Africa is a shit-hole because it is infested with niggers.

    1. Re:Too bad, niggers by Cartack · · Score: 0

      Most internet fraud happens in the US and the Eastern European countries. Nigerian Scammers account for such a small percentage of overall web fraud.

    2. Re:Too bad, niggers by Shakrai · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Africa is a shit-hole because it is infested with niggers.

      Who is the fucking jackass that modded this 'insightful'?

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    3. Re:Too bad, niggers by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Don't be a bitch Shakrai. It's funny as hell when that happens. You deserved that offtopic mod for crying to momma.

      As perverse as it sounds, it's a good indicator that Slashdot isn't entirely composed of groupthinking zombies. Pull that stick out of your ass and have a couple laughs.

      And to the rest of you folks who can see this post - Shakrai is my fan and I am his friend.

    4. Re:Too bad, niggers by Dan541 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I keep getting mod point's and I always mod trolls up, never down.

      The /. system is totally broken how often do you see an informative post modded down because some asshole happens to disagree?

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    5. Re:Too bad, niggers by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      That would be me. I always mod trolls up.

      I cruise at -1. Those that don't would never see the humor in some of this stuff if people didn't mod them up. Personally, I find some the humor absolutely hilarious but too many people will reach for the troll mod before the funny mod.

    6. Re:Too bad, niggers by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is actually mildly amusing. I was just annoyed because I haven't seen a single mod point in almost a year and yet someone mods up nigger jokes is apparently getting them. Maybe that's what I should have been doing more of back when I was getting them :)

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    7. Re:Too bad, niggers by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      They seem to come and go in batches. About once or twice a month in 2007 I'd get mod points, then not at all in 2008 and I figured my run was over. For the last three months I'm getting them so frequently it seems like the pool of available moderators must have shrunk pretty dramatically.

      tl;dr fuck alone knows what detirmines if you get mod points, if you had them before you'll probably have them again.

    8. Re:Too bad, niggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any random white man? We all think alike

  4. I would have suspected the opposite by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would have suspected that Americans might have fallen prey more easily. Hard times can lead to more desperate measures.

    Or maybe people are turning off their Internet service...

    1. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think the number of victims has decreased, just the payouts.

    2. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Buried way down in paragraph six of the Post article:

      Now financially squeezed, Americans succumb even more easily to offers of riches, experts say.

    3. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by ahabswhale · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nah, Americans are just fucking stupid. Our education system breeds retards who aren't expected to think more than what "OMGWTFBFF" text message they are going to send next. Set low expectations and that's what you'll get, so we got it. And if you think I'm just trolling or flame baiting, do some google searches and see what simple shit questions the typical American can't answer. It's shocking. FYI...I'm an American.

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    4. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by Planesdragon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      do some google searches and see what simple shit questions the typical American can't answer. It's shocking. FYI...I'm an American.
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      Most of the questions you'll see asked are simply irrelevant to an American's life. And as such, if you ask them right off the head, they often as not won't have an answer. This is not a sign of poor thinking -- it's a sign of INTELLIGENCE.

      Want to really test American IQ? (Or, hell, anyone's IQ, for that matter.) Offer a non-trivial cash reward. And ask the same questions. Watch the relative "intelligence" of Americans go up.

    5. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Sorry but if you have no idea how the government works or the world works, how can you possibly make intelligent decisions when you walk into the voting booth? You simply can't. Making an intelligent decision when voting is very important and if you don't know shit about shit then you're simply stupid because it shows you don't care what goes on in your own backyard. Unfortunately, this is the case with most Americans.

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    6. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Our education system breeds retards who aren't expected to think more than what "OMGWTFBFF" text message they are going to send next.

      Amazingly you identified the source of the problem but still failed to correctly select it.

      Answer Hint: Schools don't breed children.

    7. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I don't know on the question of:

      "Does the earth orbit the sun?"
      or
      "Does the sun orbit the earth?"

      I've seen pretty stable accuracy in international surveys. People are stupid. That seems to transcend international borders. And if you think Americans are superstitious and gullible then you need to travel more.

    8. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The show "Cash Cab" proves the point. Most people manage the first few questions before missing one.

      For Jay Leno's "JayWalking", they tend to hit up several people and pick out the biggest dumbasses.

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    9. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Nah, Americans are just fucking stupid. Our education system breeds retards who aren't expected to think more than what "OMGWTFBFF" text message they are going to send next. Set low expectations and that's what you'll get, so we got it. And if you think I'm just trolling or flame baiting, do some google searches and see what simple shit questions the typical American can't answer. It's shocking.

      FYI...I'm an American.

      Clearly from your anger and self hatred you're one of the smart ones.

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    10. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      You're right, I should be thrilled with the state of education in my country. My bad! Thanks for the attitude adjustment.

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    11. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by myrikhan · · Score: 1

      Canadian schools are no better. We have a no-fail system now where kids are given multiple opportunities (due-dates) to hand in assignments. The smarter ones intentionally delay to give themselves more time to get great grades and scholarships. I'm Canadian and disgusted by this.

    12. Re:I would have suspected the opposite by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      And people wonder why it's not just manufacturing jobs that are headed from North America to Asia...

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  5. I can stop this! by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello I am a Nigerian judge Mumbasa Mfune III. I am collecting funds to create a task force to reclaim lost monies in Nigeria.

    If you have lost monies in Nigeria, for the low donation of $2500, I can reclaim ALL lost assets.

    Please contact me immediately at Judge.Mufune@yahooze.ng

    1. Re:I can stop this! by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hello I am a Nigerian judge Mumbasa Mfune III.
      I am collecting funds to create a task force to reclaim lost monies in Nigeria.

      If you have lost monies in Nigeria, for the low donation of $2500, I can reclaim ALL lost assets.

      Please contact me immediately at Judge.Mufune@yahooze.ng

      Dear honorable Mumbasa Mfune III,

      Please relay your GPS coordinates so that I can send you a package from orbit..Err I mean airdrop the cash.

      Kind regards,

      TGR2

    2. Re:I can stop this! by cbraescu1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your honor,

      Could you please reclaim monies lost by Madoff?

      Awaiting your reply,

      John Doe

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    3. Re:I can stop this! by houghi · · Score: 5, Funny

      47.639619,-122.129928

      Mumbasa Mfune III

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    4. Re:I can stop this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those who can't be bothered looking it up, that's the M$ headquarters' co-ords.

    5. Re:I can stop this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good Day Judge Mfune III,

      I am acting as administrator for a large US company with millions of dollars in Government Bailouts as well as valuable IP. The company is seeking to move large sums of capital offshore before any chapter 11 action is taken.

      Please provide your bank account no.
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      You will be reimbursed 10% of all transactions routed via your account as compensation for your services.

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      An American CEO.

    6. Re:I can stop this! by tengwar · · Score: 1

      S'funny: Windows for Satellites won't let me enter those coords, and Clippy keeps asking if I'm trying to enter a support call.

    7. Re:I can stop this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for substituting an $ for the S in MS. This was completely necessary because I am unable to determine whether Microsoft is known for shoddy business practices without such aids.

    8. Re:I can stop this! by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      Thank you for substituting an $ for the S in MS

      No, thank *you* for helping us all to remedy the world of this evil abbreviation. Because, you know, there is no greater cause for which to spend our time posting on /. You are truly making the world a better place.

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    9. Re:I can stop this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we have really to thank **you** for bringing up this matter, making the world a better place even in little ways and being astonishingly modest.

    10. Re:I can stop this! by WarlockD · · Score: 1

      You make this joke, but I sware to GOD that I got a similar spam message. Apparently its not a Judge but a "UN Coordinator" in Nigeria that is trying to redistribute the scammers money:P

    11. Re:I can stop this! by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      No, we have to thank ME, so I can derail this chain of unfunny recursive sarcasm!

  6. Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Whatsisname · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How did this interview take place? Why did the interviewer not do the world a favor and kill the guys on the spot, or at least identify him to authorities that will shut them down?

    1. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Robin47 · · Score: 1

      He probably thinks of himself as a neutral party just reporting the news.

    2. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I am sorry what happened to you. There's a guy on this thread, Judge Mumbasa Mfune III. He can help you to recover your lost money!
      Stop having these feelings of revenge. You can have your money back, now! Just Call Judge Mumbasa!

    3. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1, Insightful

      because when all is said and done, the Interviewer gets to fly back to his airconditioned condo in New York, drink expensive Hawaiian coffee and tool around in his BMW. The Interviewee gets to stay and sweat like a pig in the swampy hellhole called Nigeria, where he gets to slap some stupid jitney driver in the unending clusterfuck they call traffic, and suck down a lukewarm coke in the muddy concrete and cardboard dump he calls home, as the interviewer operates from the "there but for the grace of god go i" theory of social justice.

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    4. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He probably thinks of himself as a neutral party just reporting the news.

      "With enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals? Who knows! It sickens me."
      "What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

    5. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know... living in New York myself, sweat like a pig in the swampy hellhole, where he gets to slap some stupid jitney driver in the unending clusterfuck they call traffic, and suck down a lukewarm coke in the muddy concrete and cardboard dump he calls home sounds exactly like here. You get those locales backwards or something?

    6. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Probably for (in the broad sense) the same reasons that an undercover cop doesn't attempt to arrest the mob boss, and a spy is a diligent worker, not a slacker, at whatever facility he is infiltrating.

      Journalists, ideally, are a society's way of getting and broadly disseminating certain types of information. In this case, the value of the public knowing more about Nigerian scammers is easily higher than the value of one scammer possibly getting a slap on the wrist, or even a bullet in the face. There are all sorts of situations where doing the proximate "right thing" will mean losing the broader advantage: taking down the little fish and missing out on the expose of the little fish's boss.

      This is especially true in situations where the journalist is operating against the currents of official interest/motivation. If the feds, either here or in Nigera, really cared(about anything other than the highest profile and most exceptional or publicly emotive cases) they'd find it trivial to hunt down large numbers of these guys. Just get a whole bunch of spamtrap accounts, scattered randomly across common webmail services, ISP email offerings, and the like. When the inevitable submissions come, act like marks until you have enough info to track the guys down. In general, interest is limited. Thus, raising interest/awareness in the issue, and possibly helping people protect themselves more effectively, is a lot more valuable than just identifying some minor player who could have been identified already if anybody cared. (In the context of internal political reporting, the situation is similar. Corruption at the low levels is generally a symptom of much more serious high level corruption, and exists because the powers that be don't care. Raising the issue of a single corrupt cop or DMV chair warmer, or whatever, is nice; but is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel. You really want journalists to go for the core of the problem.)

    7. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by sznupi · · Score: 3, Informative

      So he would live and be able to write about it?

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    8. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by microbee · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like that would solve all the problems.

    9. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you might be interested in my comedy novelet, where this slashdot guy, call him whoseisname, just hates nigerian scammers and performs a social engineering experiment. He responds to several of their spam scams, gets their instructions and strings them along getting them to believe large sums of money are coming their way. But slashdot guy starts sending them responses leading them to believe one scammer group has interfered with and intercepted the funds meant for another. Thus he gets the Nigerian scammers to kill each other off. Hilarity ensues.

    10. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 1

      Ugh...Zap Brannigan.

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    11. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Journalists, ideally, are a society's way of getting and broadly disseminating certain types of information.

      Namely, their employer's opinions.

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    12. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I snuck "ideally" in there to cover exactly this contingency...

    13. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) The correspondant writes for the WASHINGTON post, and SHE lives in SOUTH AFRICA. Where does it say anything about New York?
      2) I think you seriously overestimate what a print journalist makes.
      3) I think you seriously underestimate the conditions the Nigerian scammers (and the middle/upper class in their country) live in

      Did you evern RTFA at all before you spouted your drivel!?

      "young men with fancy cars, designer clothing and beautiful girlfriends -- scammers all"

      "In good months, he said, he has made $30,000, which he blew on clothes, hotel rooms and Dom Perignon at "VVIP" clubs. These days, he lamented, proceeds are down 40 percent."

      Yeah. Cry me a river. Poor starving Nigerian scammer, who I'm sure makes more in 3 months than the journalist made in a year. I bet it was LUKEWARM Dom Perignon, though! The agony!

    14. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by dcollins · · Score: 1

      "How did this interview take place? Why did the interviewer not do the world a favor and kill the guys on the spot, or at least identify him to authorities that will shut them down?"

      Case study: It's ignorance of this level that makes Americans the easiest scam targets.

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    15. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The FBI et. all don't actively pursue Nigerian scammers for the simple reason that they cannot pursue Nigerian scammers. It has nothing to do with "taking down the boss". If those Nigerians lived in the US they would be in jail. Period.

      First, the US cannot go after Nigerian scammers because they live in frickin Nigeria, the US has no authority there and at best can only exert a moderate amount of pressure to encourage Nigerian officials to pursue the scammers.

      Second, every US citizen has the right to be a dumbass. There was a story here on /. a few months ago of a woman who sent around $450k to a Nigerian scammer. She blew her husband's retirement on it even. The entire community knew it was happening, and tried to stop her, told her she was being scammed, hell the sheriff even asked her to stop, but there was nothing they could legally do to stop her from pissing her money away. She was convinced each time that she was just "one more payment" away from getting those millions of dollars. Where the hell her husband was this whole time I have no idea, but if someone wants to be a dumbass nobody has a right to stop you unless you are doing something illegal.

      Getting scammed is not illegal.

      Nigerian officials obviously aren't going to do more than a token attempt to go after these guys to improve US relations, because they boost the Nigerian economy. Think about it, they are getting US money by exporting idiocy. And Americans buy it in droves, unfortunately.

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    16. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Did you evern RTFA at all before you spouted your drivel!?

      This is /., of course not.

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    17. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by raehl · · Score: 1

      Ok, so a bad month is, what, $20k? So $240,000 a year? And down 40% of that is still $136,000 a year?

      In NIGERIA?

      Dude probably owns a village or two by now.

    18. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I bet it was LUKEWARM Dom Perignon, though!

      Uh... is lukewarm Dom Perignon for some reason cheaper than cold?

      I'd assume lukewarm dom would be just as expensive, but then again, I would have assumed that no one would actually buy booze for over a hundred dollars a bottle, regardless of how much money they scammed online.

    19. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Coeurderoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Great idea, it would certainly encourage all other "bad guys" to accept interviews with the medias...

      Reporters do not shoot their informant, that is the way it works...

      You could just as well ask clinton why did he not just shoot the "dear leader" in N Korea when he met him....
      (ok so he'd die, the US Hostage also, but no price is too high ? oups of course there would be that little issue with being a suicide something getting a bad press recently..)

    20. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting scammed is not illegal.

      Being the victim of just about ANY crime is not illegal, but that doesn't mean the crime itself isn't and can't or shouldn't be prosecuted. Fraud is fraud no matter whether the victim is aware of it or not.

      In fact, if the victim WERE aware of it, they obviously simply wouldn't take the bait in the first place; it's ONLY because they're NOT that any act of fraud is actually possible.

    21. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Swordopolis · · Score: 1

      Cheaper than cold Dom Perignon by the exact value of a bucket of ice :)

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    22. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by mochan_s · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There are various forms of scams where people in the US are needed. I was in one (no, I didn't lose money, I just wanted to see where it would lead) where the scammer mailed me 6 $1000 CVS money orders by MoneyGram. I knew I would be arrested if I tried to cash the money orders. Anyway, I wanted to play along and see where it would lead but the scammer's English started deteriorating to such a point that I didn't even want to keep communicating.

      However, my point is that the scammer had someone in the US mailing fraudulent money orders. I tried to find some way to contact somebody regarding this but I couldn't find anyone or anything: I made a few calls and tried to talk to a few people but nobody took me seriously. I live in Detroit and went to see the Detroit police as well (if you call 911 in Detroit and don't report murder, the operator will insult you and hang up). Nothing on the web except some volunteer organizations who want me to do e-mail them everything and no contacts or anything afterward.

      So, yeah, there is absolutely nothing being done about these scammers.

    23. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by unitron · · Score: 1

      If that stuff was sent to you via the U.S. Postal Service you should contact the local Postal Inspector. They're actual federal law enforcement officers, just like the FBI and Secret Service, and they love to catch people using the mail to break the law, any law.

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    24. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never met a neutral.

      C arnold barent.

    25. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by ScrumHalf · · Score: 1

      "It's velour baby!"

    26. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      The CIA can rendition/kidnap anyone anywhere. And fraud is illegal. As with most thefts from private citizens, however, the government doesn't give a shit.

    27. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "Dude probably owns a village or two by now."

      Newsflash. Africa isn't huts. It's houses, townhouses, stripmalls, condos. It looks like Philadelphia but not as run down.

      The age of bare skinned lion hunters and the wild man of Borneo is crap your grandfather read about as a child, even Borneo, still 95% unexplored, has cities, high rise luxury condos, strip malls, condos, and kids in hopped up hondas hanging out by the 7-11 on a friday night trying to out-cool each other.

      There are pictures on the net about how other poeple in the world live, and it looks just like north america, except the ground is lateritic soil and looks more like the deep south, but other than that it could be anywhere.

      And where is the greatest population of starving children in the world? The US, in Appalachia.

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    28. Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? by raehl · · Score: 1

      Africa is a big place. Yes, there are cities, but there is also a whole lot of not cities.

      To imply that the greatest population of starving children in the world is in Appalachia either grossly underestimates the number of children in Africa or greatly overestimates the number of people in Appalachia. Not to mention totally misses the thousands of children literally dying of starvation in Africa where no such problem exists in the US. Malnourished maybe, but that's about it.

  7. Dear Nigerian scammers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in charge of 35 million in US bailout money and I feel your plight. I can't use government money to pay for fund transfers due to red tape but if you could arrange for a 5% transfer fee I can forward the money. Thank you my friends!

  8. The Sting by bolt_the_dhampir · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if any nigerian has ever tried it? By the way, about the 419's, check out http://www.419eater.com/ Scambait is great!

    1. Re:The Sting by Anachragnome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OMG.

      Thanks for the link.

      Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" performed by Nigerian Email Scammers. Truly priceless. Almost worth the price they were promised.

      The link. Make sure you follow the story all the way to AT LEAST the video on page 3.
      http://www.419eater.com/html/bigman.htm

    2. Re:The Sting by Kamokazi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah I did that for a while, it's a blast...I have several voice recordings of VERY pissed off east Africans :-) Never went for trophy pics or anything though. I highly recommend the Slashdot crowd checks it out...they 419eater crew runs a clean shop, they're very stringent on scambaiting for de-education of the scammers and making sure to not provide them any materials (fake IDs, etc) that could be used on real victims. They have a lot of neat tools to make the process easier and generally waste scammer time.

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    3. Re:The Sting by unitron · · Score: 1

      Re: your sig

      As our way of thanking you for your positive contributions to Slashdot, you are eligible to disable Slashdot 2.0.

      You are so cruel to toy with my hopes in that way.

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    4. Re:The Sting by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > They have a lot of neat tools to make the process easier and generally waste scammer time.

      Does that include AI software?

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    5. Re:The Sting by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      You don't need AI to deal with scammers...these guys are overwhelmingly clueless. They're only a little bit smarter than the poor dumb saps who fall for their scams (If you think the intro e-mail is hokey, just wait until they start sending their fake IDs and lame excuses). Horribly fake websites work just fine. They have this one called M7CN S3cur3 (leet used to obfusicate the name in the rare chance a smart scammer uses google to find this). A MTCN is a Money Transfer Control Number...the identification number Western Union uses for money orders...it's 10 digits.

      Basically the site is an array of 50x50 form buttons. It tells you which row and column to click on, slowly revealing the number with the empty space in the array...well the first 7 digits, the rest are sent to him by the 'support' team of the website, which is you :-) The rows and columns are not labeled, and if you miss one, it resets them all :-) Takes something like 250 boxes to reveal it correctly.

      And you can use a fake transfer form generator to make it look like they really have to do it...I got one of them to click around 450 boxes :-) (he had been relatively polite up until that point, left me some choice words in voicemail for that.) Wasted a good couple hours of his time, and probably some money to an internet cafe.

      And that's just the tip of the iceberg...they have different baiting techniques, depending on what you want to get your 'lad' to do. Some of them get them to go on 'safaris', which means causing them to travel 200+ miles or cross a country border (typically confirmed by e-mail header IP address).

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  9. Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful
    The Japanese contribute significantly to engineering and applied science. Half of the patents for technology in your HDTV are owned by Japanese companies. The Germans contribute significantly to engineering and the pure sciences: Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize for his work in general relativity. The British contributed significantly to political science and the pure sciences.

    Africans? They build scams to sucker the rest of us. That is their "contribution" to humanity.

    Does genetics explain the differences in human accomplishments?

    1. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Usually+Unlucky+ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I tend to believe it is warfare not genetics.

      Both Japan and Europe at one point in time had the feudal system.

      When you have hundreds of sovereign neighbors who want to kill you it gives you good motivation to develop educational instututions which help you develop both hard and soft power through innovation.

      Probably also why the greek city staes had a reputation for innovation.

      Meanwhile the African tribes were lucky to ever even come in contact with each other and never needed to develop educational institutions.

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    2. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative
      Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize for his work in general relativity.

      Not so. He won the Nobel Prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect.

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    3. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need to look at African history again - I am certainly not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but warfare (and incidentally slavery) in Sub-Saharan Africa is as old as civilization in Sub-Saharan Africa. For example: Military History of the Mali Empire. The scale of the conflicts was never what it was in Europe and Asia until the 20th century, but that Africa was a collection of totally peaceful isolated tribes until Europeans arrived on the scene is a myth.

    4. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sceptical: there is plenty of evidence of contact and conflict between populations, tribes, and whatnot in Africa. Further, there are known instances of innovation in the service of success in those conflicts(Shaka's career in empire building being perhaps the notable example).

      I'd be more inclined to blame quirks of geography and environmental biology. Africa has a massive interior area compared to its coastline, and IIRC, the worst ratio of navigable rivers to interior area of any inhabited continent. It also has few usefully domesticated animals. There goes most of your trade, beyond seriously high value/unit weight stuff.

      The continent also, because of its climate and biology, has an enormous disease load, which imposes a substantial toll on all activities of life, particularly dire for dense populations(of the sort almost always associated with division of labor, and intellectual, technological, and social development).

    5. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's ironic, actually, the (arguably legitimate) western reaction against the excesses and cruelties of imperialism and colonialism ended up, in a fair number of cases, actually weakening understanding of the local populations, cultures, and history(and in a way oddly similar to the one that colonialism itself did).

      The stock "history" of the bluntest anti-imperialist position is basically "And the noble savages lived happily in idyllic little tribes and Harmony with the land, until the British showed up and shot everyone and nicked their stuff." is almost exactly as reductive as the stock "history of the bluntest pro-imperialist position, which is basically "And the barbarious savages lived in primitive tribes, practicing devil worship and savagery, until the British showed up and civilized everybody and put the land to productive use."

      "Agents of the colonial powers arrived on the scene of what was already, and had long been, a complex political and social stage, full of all kinds of various actors and groups, and had to shrewdly navigate a complex web of political interrelations and interactions in order to get anywhere." is much less cleanly satisfactory to either party; but is arguably much more accurate.

    6. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that last bit could be a bit more accurate..

      "Agents of the colonial powers arrived on the scene of what was already, and had long been, a complex political and social stage, full of all kinds of various actors and groups. And then they showed them how gunpowder works, whereupon the natives were so impressed they fell over and died."

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    7. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    8. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whatever happens, we have got
      the Gatling gun, and they have not

      - from a poem about the Abyssinian campaign

    9. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      You forgot to include American funding to the third world, mainly Nigeria.

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    10. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHA

    11. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

          As others have pointed out, you need to review history a bit more. For about 1200 years, the "Moors" (derived meaning "Black") were the conquerors, taking millions of europeans and middle eastern people. Some estimate the number to be approx 40 million. When the Moors sided with the Arabic people, it was very very bad for the Europeans.

          Not to say the Europeans were exactly innocent. The "political" systems in place lead to slavery of the general population by the nobility. Needless to say, border disputes were anything but friendly for centuries.

          It's easy to believe that the Africans were simple people running around in small tribes who knew nothing but peace and avoiding being eaten by lions, but the Euro/American slave trade triangle was just another very dirty chapter in human history, not the only one like it.

          But, if you'd prefer to believe your way, that's your decision. I must quote...

          "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
          George Santayana (1863-1952)
          The Life of Reason (1905-1906)
          Volume 1, Reason in Common Sense - pg 284

          I like to believe that humanity had a kind, gentle history at some point, but in reality there's been an awful lot of blood shed and oppression. It's important for us to know the mistakes we've made before, so we can be better in our future.

          Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same. They do learn from their environment. Greed has spread like an epidemic around the planet, and we're seeing the collapse of that system now. It's funny that the scam artists are now complaining that their marks are all running dry.

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    12. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by koreaman · · Score: 1

      I find your ideas intriguing and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    13. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by devnulljapan · · Score: 1

      A raging troll blurted: "Does genetics explain the differences in human accomplishments?"

      Who knew Jim Watson hung out on slashdot?

      (The rest of your bullshit isn't even worth addressing)

    14. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if it does however most of the arguments I heard against is:
      --if it did then it would be racist and be philosophically displeasing because we love equality, therefore it doesn't and genetics are independent from intelligence/behavior.

      Which is clearly an argument from consequences.

      Are there serious argument against (or for) a link between behavior/intelligence and genetics ?

    15. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Whatever happens, we have got
      The Maxim gun, and they have not.

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    16. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happens, we have got
      The Maxim gun, and they have not.

      Never stand next to white rocks and officers. That was as true in S-Africa as it was, and still is, in Afghanistan. Heavy gear like Maxim guns didn't always help very much against colonial insurgencies if the natives were tactically sophisticated or used guerilla tactics. The long standing US/Israeli conviction that all of the worlds low intensity conflicts can be resolved if you just apply enough firepower is in no way shape or form a new one:

      "The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured. It was an easy matter to bomb and machine-gun the tribespeople, because they had no means of defence or retalitation. Iraq and Kurdistan were also useful laboratories for new weapons; devices specifically developed by the Air Ministry for use against tribal villages. The ministry drew up a list of possible weapons, some of them the forerunners of napalm and air-to-ground missiles:

      Phosphorus bombs, war rockets, metal crowsfeet [to maim livestock] man-killing shrapnel, liquid fire, delay-action bombs. Many of these weapons were first used Kurdistan.

        -- Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris. (His own British aircrews called him "Butcher" Harris)

    17. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein was Jewish, so by your own logic, you would probably consider him subhuman as well.

      Something is clearly wrong with your theory. Moron.

    18. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same.

      Umm, wow. You clearly have no grasp of biology.

    19. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by ahankinson · · Score: 1

      You need to read "Guns, Germs & Steel" by Jared Diamond. The conclusion he comes to is that it's absolutely not genetics - it's a combination of geography and natural plant & animal life, leading to more stable populations (farmers vs. hunter/gatherers). This then leads to disease resistance (contact with domesticated animals boosts our immune systems), better, more nutritional crops, and greater population density leading to faster innovation.

    20. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same.

      Umm, wow. You clearly have zero grasp of biology. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth.

    21. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by What'sInAName · · Score: 1

      Heh, I guess I belong here. I just spent a moment trying to figure out which were the "geek city states"...

    22. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Hatta · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's like a radio call in contest, once you win you have to let someone else have a chance.

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    23. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by defaria · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same.

      Bullshit! Is all humans are the same then surely Africa does not need our help and should be as thriving a community as any other western civilization. Since that's clearly not the case your above statement is just a bunch of shit, and the rest of your statements as suspect...

    24. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by a+whoabot · · Score: 1

      "Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same."

      How can that be true? Just take the most extreme cases and you will see clearly that you are wrong. Modify the genes of a zygote so that it does not develop legs. Now you will get a human which does not walk where you would have got one that frequently walks. How can never walking be considered the same behaviour as frequently walking? Add an extra chromosome 21 and you will get a human with mental retardation where you would not have. Do you suppose the behaviour will be the same? Remove genes that allow the development a functioning auditory system. Do you really suppose that speaking a language is the same behaviour as signing one?

      You might as well argue that breeding dogs or cattle is a frivolous activity, in that doing so will never deliver the behaviour for which the breeder is looking. But those who know dogs for example still describe various temperaments for which the various breeds have preponderances. That is, unless you suppose that, in contrast with other mammals with the same nervous structures whose behaviour is plainly influenced by genetics, there is something so special about humans wherein their behaviour is not influenced by genetics.

    25. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I still had my mod points because I'd mod your comment to the sky. I find it extremely distasteful that research in this area is lambasted for being racist, when at the same time us technologists and scientists are fond of pointing out that reality doesn't care one bit about ideology.

      I'm a liberal/libertarian and I'm very anti-racist and sincere in the belief of equality of all people. Yet I'd like to grab some of my fellow left-of-center people and shout in their ears, "Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so."

      I think the answer to your question, is that there is much less research on the subject than there could be, because anytime somebody proposes an objective examination of the genetic contribution to intelligence, they are trashed by the media, denounced, shouted down, etc.

    26. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Arcady13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now I have a machine gun.

      Ho Ho Ho

    27. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by top_down · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny but wrong.

      A successful culture will adapt when new technology arrives. Japan dit it. China is doing it. Europe itself dit it, gunpowder after all isn't a western invention. Technology only gives a very temporary advantage, it is culture that matters.

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    28. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by oliderid · · Score: 3, Informative

      the "Moors" (derived meaning "Black")

      In Latin, the word maurus (plural mauri) means coming from Mauretania...a Roman province on the north western fringe of Africa (-> Morocco) (see wikipedia) So basically Moors means those from North Africa. They aren't sub-Saharan. The core people of the Moors were "berbers"...Not arabs but not black either.

      If you need a real successful "black" civilization. I suggest you to take a closer look at the Nubian civilization. They fought for centuries against the Egyptians, the Greek dynasty and they finally crushed a Roman invasion. The defeat was so devastating, that the Romans signed a peace treaty and they never came back. The Nubian queen are famous (Amanishaketo, etc) nowadays due to recent discoveries.

      Or the Ethiopian one, they succeeded to stop the early Muslim invasion (this where the legendary King John was supposed to live, European crusaders tried for years to get in touch with him to fight together the Muslims). They fought for decades against the Italians and they were the first to gain their independence. The famous city of Timbuktu having healthy intellectual/philosophical debates while Europe was experiencing inquisition, etc.

    29. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize for his work in general relativity.

      Not so. He won the Nobel Prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect.

      God. Don't you just hate it when that happens?

    30. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by kill-1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This should be modded -1, Racist. It's not a culture thing. There's a big difference between 16th century firearms and an AK-47.

    31. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you named after the character J. E. Smythe in the novel Paris Trout?

      ALSO, you would know a lot about greed, being a very very rich man yourself. You are rich.

      Rich beyond anyone's dreams. Any Fark.com poster's dreams, that is.

    32. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Bullshit! Is all humans are the same then surely Africa does not need our help and should be as thriving a community as any other western civilization. Since that's clearly not the case your above statement is just a bunch of shit, and the rest of your statements as suspect...

      You might be interested in Guns, Germs, and Steel.

    33. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a fucking culture thing. Just like it's a "socio-political" thing, whatever the fuck that means. Cultures affect how people behave, act and think. You would never see a white or Asian society thinking that "smack hoes and pimp bitches" is an okay thing. Yet you see it every day in african american society. That gives you a little taste of what african culture is, and always has been.

      Yes I WANT you to mod me -1, Racist. Because I am one... And damn proud of it because it makes sense. I really don't care about some ideological "we're all equal" idea. No we are not all equal. And I, as proud racist, will be the first one to admit that my race is not the best. Good luck getting a non-racist to admit to that.

    34. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by XcepticZP · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. Arguments tend to fail easily at their extremes. In order to really prove his argument a fail, you have to use a mundane and simple example. But I couldn't be bothered, as he's just an ideological idiot who has issues of his own without commenting on others'.

    35. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by lennier · · Score: 1

      "This should be modded -1, Racist. It's not a culture thing. "

      Race, however, is not culture.

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    36. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by kill-1 · · Score: 1

      You would never see a white or Asian society thinking that "smack hoes and pimp bitches" is an okay thing.

      US ghetto culture hasn't very much to do with Africa.

      I really don't care about some ideological "we're all equal" idea. No we are not all equal.

      I think we are.

      And I, as proud racist, will be the first one to admit that my race is not the best.

      Would you care to tell me what your race is? And which race you consider the best?

      Good luck getting a non-racist to admit to that.

      Well, a non-racist would consider all races equal by definition.

    37. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by top_down · · Score: 1

      This should be modded -1, Racist. It's not a culture thing.

      Culture is by definition something you learn, not something that is in your genes (like race). It is passed from one generation to the next and each generation can 'decide' what to keep, what to throw away and what to add.

      There's a big difference between 16th century firearms and an AK-47.

      Yes, what is your point?

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    38. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Meski · · Score: 1

      I read that as Geek city states. Consider for a moment how a geek city state might work :)

    39. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by inmytaxi · · Score: 1

      But, if you'd prefer to believe your way, that's your decision. I must quote...

      "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana (1863-1952) The Life of Reason (1905-1906)

      This simply is not true.

      It exaggerates an obvious truism in four ways. Those who go about repeating this catch phrase don't seem to have thought very deeply about what it actually says.

      What is true is something like this: those who are UNAWARE of the LESSONS of the past are MORE LIKELY to LIVE SOME SIMILAR VERSION of it.

      Important distinctions.

    40. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by MistrX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Race isn't bound to culture. Neither is culture bound to race. Not forgetting the 1940's but I must admit that today the term 'racist' is used to keep minority populations in more developed countries happy. I hate politicalcorrectness because it often not a reflection of reality. It always ignores certain inconvenient truths.

    41. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civilazations in Africa was at a point much more advanced than e.g. Europe.

      On that continent we call there was the legendary library in Alexandria with lots of information and knowlege. Some of them totally unkown for us today. That library is 1 of the world 7 wonders.

      Who destroyed it? Europeans, Rome played a great role to the destrucktion of that library.

      Multitudes of information has been lost to that. We still havn't found out how the pyramids where built, or how many other architectures where built thousands of years ago, when the available tools where not of the caliber we have today.

      So your assumtion of the African cultures and development is biased.

      It is mostly due to us Europeans (In this scenario I include Americans, except native Americans) that the cultures in Africa where brought down. All the slave trades that have been active for some milleniums killed and braught away the elite of the people living in Africa.

      The wrong against Jews, that Hitler is responsible of, is small compared to the harm caused to the African peoples. Still the Jews where given a country that they now call Israel. Though today Jew's have little to do with or in common with Israel.

      PS: To tell you the truth I'm no musslim and no black dude, I'm almost as close to the favorite race of Hitler you can come. But I don't deny the history.

    42. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by jtev · · Score: 1

      A few things you're leaving out. 1. European slave traders didn't raid anywhere. All the enslavement and selling was done by other Africans, who mostly sold the slaves to Arabs, who sold them to the Europeans. So really all the Europeans did was give gold for a resource that was already being exploited. 2. Egypt was the worlds most powerful military force before rome came along, and was considered one of the most important provices of the eastern roman empire until the Arabs and Turks took over for them. 3. The library at Alexandria GREW under Roman and Eastern Roman rule for most of history. There were a few exceptions. Also, it was lost because of an earthquake, not because of book burning.

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    43. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      That would be silly. Racist is +0, for - lest we forget - Everyone's a Little Bit Racist...

    44. Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Luckily, it wasn't my quote, and the man who said it is long since said.

          How about, "Those oblivious to previous events and outcomes are likely to encounter similar trends in the future."

          Or the class blunders... The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

          Hmmmm, and Iraq and Afghanistan are in Southwest Asia, aren't they?

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  10. Fools and their money.... by russotto · · Score: 1

    Evidentally, it's even possible to run low on fools. Or at least fools who have not yet been separated from their money. P.T. Barnum must be rolling in his grave.

    1. Re:Fools and their money.... by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, no. They're not running low on fools. The fools are running low on money.

  11. Tough indeed... by neokushan · · Score: 4, Funny

    There must be some kind of famine or something in Nigeria, I've received about 15 emails in the last 3 months, all from people telling me their father/brother/uncle/etc. had "caught death". Terrible!
    And to make matters worse, they can't get the money that's rightfully theirs from the banks! Honestly, something should really be done about this.

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    1. Re:Tough indeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bailout of nigerian scammers? though that would probably cause some trouble for obama...

    2. Re:Tough indeed... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Yea sure send them H1N1 in a vial...

    3. Re:Tough indeed... by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

      I tell you, of all the things you can catch, that's one of the deadliest. Darn Nigerian mosquitoes.

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  12. Sigh by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

    Well, once this recession is over they'll have their business back, people being none the wiser. It doesn't matter what experiences humanity goes through. There will always be at least a small fraction who is unequivocally stupid.

  13. I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bailout! Just like the banks and insurance companies, which take your money, perhaps it's time to bail out these scammers. While they may be from a foreign nation, we can't forget the trickle down effect.

  14. An Inconvenient Truth by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Scamming works, even for schemes widely known from years. Be an scammer and will be pretty rare that you get caught, in your country will make songs about you, and even the Washington post will put your name in big letters. And money flow so much that even in this troubled economic times is still profitable, even with the amount of people doing it.

    A bit remembers me the amount of people buying what is offered by spam, and making it still a profitable activity, but this one goes some levels deep into the illegal realm.

  15. I would like to help. by XanC · · Score: 1

    Who should I make the check out to?

  16. You can make it out to me! :) by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who should I make the check out to?

    My name is 'Shakrai' but my good friends call me 'Cash' :)

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  17. Always a scammer to top them all... by Anachragnome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone else see the poetic justice in some back-jungle Shaman fleecing these guys out of their hard-swindled cash?

    $300 for mojo powder...probably ashes from the fire he burns his extra cash in...Turtles on a string. I love it.

    1. Re:Always a scammer to top them all... by hobbit · · Score: 1

      Perfect, isn't it?!

      I just wonder who scams the scammer-scammers?

      --
      "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
  18. This is the place for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hours of hilarious reading, pics and audio- these guys get very creative. Freight baits ROCK!!

    http://www.thescambaiter.com/

  19. Scammers scamming scammers. by blool · · Score: 1

    But in these tough times, the scammers said, they are relying more on a crucial tool: voodoo. At times, Banjo said, he has traveled six hours to the forest, where a magician sells scam-boosters. A $300 powder supposedly helps scammers "speak with authority" when demanding payment. A powder, rubbed on the face, reportedly makes victims viewing the scammer through webcams powerless to say no.

  20. Dell laptop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did he say the scammer used a Dell laptop?

    We must ban the use of Dell laptops immediately!!

  21. Sympathy? by bigt_littleodd · · Score: 1

    Scammers having a hard time in this economic climate? Boo-fscking-hoo.

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  22. Why doesn't Yahoo subsidize them? by pspahn · · Score: 1

    Google, Yahoo, msn, all you guys...

    1. Figure the expense of Nigerian spam
    2. Ask Nigerians to stop
    3. ????
    4. Profit

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    Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
  23. If you lose money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to these fucktards you don't deserve to have any.

  24. Agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, if only we could block them from responding to craigslist ads, or kijiji ...

  25. Tell my wife Hello. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1, Informative

    Futurama. What an awesome show.

    --
    My mom says I'm cool.
  26. 419 is just a game... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can you have sympathy for anyone who falls for this crap? In Nigeria 419 is viewed as a game. Anyone who plays (poor innocent Americans) is just greedy themselves. How dumb do you have to be to think that you can get something for nothing ? I hate the fact the Nigeria is given a bad rep for this, but Americans are xenophobic to anything especially from that country "Africa". Just wait until American realize Nigeria has a large Muslim population.....

  27. I need help your help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is stories like these that make it impossible for businessmen like me to transfer millions of dollars to their rightful owners.

    YOUR HELP IS URGENTLY NEEDED!

  28. And don't forget... by pingveno · · Score: 1

    ...419 Eater. My favorite is the Harry Potter handwriting scambait (search in the page for "after the call").

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    "it's not about aptitude, it's the way you're viewed" - Galinda
  29. BBspot by MrMonty · · Score: 1

    I read this days ago.

    Penis product makers aren't the only ones having to change their pitch. Awi Tagakangi of Nigeria runs 419 scams through email. "It takes more than an uncle who was a prince, now I've gone to claiming that I'm the son of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and have access to all the cash in the Federal Reserve," said Tagakangi.

  30. 6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    in 2003 I recovered $15,000 for someone who lost their money to a web based computer scam. It was not easy and I didn't kill anyone (at the request on my client). Africa is a dangerous place. I have been doing stuff for a while, the odds of you getting all your money back are pretty much 0%. In fact I would say I did not get my clients money back, I probably got them someone else's money.

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    6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
    1. Re:6 years ago by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Your webpage says: I had 1 1/2 boxes of target ammo for that plus a Box of Buffalo Bore (for bears) and a box of Hydroshock (for people).

      Are you arming bears while you bear arms?

    2. Re:6 years ago by Oewyn · · Score: 1

      in 2003 I recovered $15,000 for someone who lost their money to a web based computer scam. It was not easy and I didn't kill anyone (at the request on my client). Africa is a dangerous place. I have been doing stuff for a while, the odds of you getting all your money back are pretty much 0%. In fact I would say I did not get my clients money back, I probably got them someone else's money.

      Hi, my name is adelanwa hassan and i am bounty hunter in nigeria.

      I heard unfortunately you were mistaken into giving monies to certain people in nigeria to rescue their frozen bank funds. Most likely these people are yahoozie and once they unfreeze their bank accounts, they will not give you the promisd frunds. For the low price of 10% of the monies you sent to this yahoozie up front, I can recover 100% of the monies. I accept cash and cachier checks, send me the monies and the email address of the person and i will return your monies, 100% money back guarentee!

      If you are willing to give me 20% of the monies you sent up front, i can also attempt to recover a portion the bank monies that were unfrozen with you funds. This is not guarentee though as i have only been able to recover these monies 75% of time.

      -adelanwa hassan
      Nigerian Bounty Hunter (sorry i just couldn't resist)

    3. Re:6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      good one

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      6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
    4. Re:6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1
      My contact page also says I am currently in Glenallen Alaska.

      Not really sure if your making a joke or what exactly. (I have not had coffee YET) But a 200 grain round of 10mm Buffalo Bore travels at close to 1700 fps and carry's enough energy to penetrate a brown bear just about anywhere (according to acquaintance, occasional shooting partner and author of Alaska Bear Tails Larry Kaniut)

      So there the go, information. Enjoy.

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    5. Re:6 years ago by C0L0PH0N · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In 2008, I did NOT get a 90-year-old retired friend's money back. He lost over half a million dollars to a Nigerian scammer! I felt somehow personally responsible, because about a year ago, he came over to my office to request that I fax some financial documents to a bank in Switzerland. I didn't even look at them, other than to notice that one was for $200,000 and the other $350,000. Four months later, he came over and wanted me to fax some documents to a "barrister" in London. I couldn't get the phone number to work, so I started checking on the address. I found it was a phony address, but nestled right in amongst "barrister row" in a suburb of London. I started checking on the barrister, "David Mark". Surprisingly, he didn't even change his name, and was linked to dozens of Nigerian scams. He DID use a "hotmail" address, which is a big red flag for a "barrister" :). I discovered this "barrister" was promising my friend to get some of his money back, but that it would require "$40,000" fee. Evil, this was just the scammers continuing to prey on this poor man who had already lost almost all his money. He had actually already travelled (I found out) to Amsterdam to meet with these people. He had the $40,000 in a money belt to give them, but the airport authorities wouldn't let him out of the airport with the money and deported him back to America. LUCKY! He could see the scammers on the other side of the airport lines, holding up a card with his name on it! That is how close he was to losing his last $40,000. I finally was able to convince him (it wasn't easy) that these were scammers, and that his only recourse was to report it to the FBI, and that he most likely would never see his money again. This was very very hard for him. And he was a retired ENGINEER, no dummy, a very smart person. But old people are vulnerable to this sort of thing. Please tell all your old retired friends about these scammers. They are real, very very convincing world-class scam artists. When they get a bite, they turn it over to their very best con artists, and your friends will be in real danger of being fleeced.

    6. Re:6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      Yes that is a bad new story, I tell everyone I can about 419. I really can't believe how many people don't know about the 419 scam. And yes even trying to get you/any money back is extremely dangerous, I know of several that have been killed on foreign soil attempting to get money back (for themselves or for a client). I first got started an investigation of the 419 in 1999. Of 50 cases, I have one success, it is was not a full "refund" for lack of better vocab. There are some other internet scams, but this is the big dangerous on. I am "pretty young", but I live in an old neighborhood and I know a lot of my older neighbors and I tell them all: "anything weird: mail, internet or front porch, call me at anytime/any hour". When I get unsolicited scams, I go all I can to scare the be-jesus out of them (like replying with their real name and LKA). It pisses me off to no end. I hate grifters, and if I could go after them for free I would.

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      6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
    7. Re:6 years ago by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It's possible to get that kind of money OUT of a scammer?

      How, exactly?

    8. Re:6 years ago by hobbit · · Score: 1

      Not really sure if your making a joke or what exactly. (I have not had coffee YET)

      Have a coffee, then read what he said again.

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      "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
    9. Re:6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1
      Short answer: I can't EXACTLY, nor would I tell you how, and I doubt very much if we sat down in my living room having some coffee you would say much more then "holy fucking shit".

      But why EXACTLY do you want details? Need to go? Do you have experience for this kind of thing, are you looking for a job? Don't believe me? No offense, but so what. I don't give out details for many reasons. All for the same reasons I have not and do not post missions on my blog. Yes, I maintain that I do stuff, I talk about training and gear, some personal adventures, but I do not provide details of missions. Let's leave that to Hollywood.

      How about this: Banks are not highly trusted in Africa, if someone (or group) has some money, it generally in US dollars or Euros and "on hand" (read that how you want). With a small team, some local time and previous experience in Africa (yes they really say hakuna matata in east Africa) It comes down to where to look and how to ask.

      Look, there are really people like "us" out there, I should never have posted my first comment - I was just in a bad mood. The whole 419 pisses me off, the FBI does dick about it (and there is not much they can), Interpol stay's out of Africa for the most part and the African Union has other issues to deal with (if that kind of stuff even falls into what they do). I wish we could have killed everybody in that damn house. Yes, there is responsibility in the client that gave them the money in the first place, the worst part of the whole mission was talking to this guy who gave away his money. The $15k was what I gave my client after what it cost 4 of us to go to Africa for 3 weeks.

      I am sorry I can't tell you more and maybe you never really wanted an answer, I don't know.

      Good luck, with whatever it is you do.

      If you seriously need help with something you do not have the skills for, contact me through my personal web site and I'll bring up your case at our next meeting (no, I am not joking)

      --
      6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
    10. Re:6 years ago by jimicus · · Score: 1

      No, I don't need your help. It's just like so many others I've read all about these scams and I'm surprised - and, to be honest, mildly impressed - that anyone's succeeded in getting money back out of these people.

      Fair play to you - I wouldn't fancy going over to Nigeria and risk being shot and left on the side of the road somewhere.

    11. Re:6 years ago by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      I couldn't do it all the time with a family and most of the time I am just as scared as can be, I let the training take over. I feel just as bad for the guys a I bring. I would hate one of my guys kids to lose daddy. I don't sleep much. I tell myself someone has to do it and my wife hates it, but understands and knew what she was getting into when she signed up. A few high threat situations a year is about all I can do. And thank you for the props. So what's it take to really impress you? I know there are people out there that I think are really brave compared to me.

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      6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
  31. Scammers getting scammed by mnemotronic · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I read the article, the thing that struck me was that the scammers are so desperate, they trying voodoo majic to boost their believability. One guy has a live tortoise hanging around his neck to boost his mojo. Sounds like a market ripe for a new product idea:

    Your sma11 unit sales got you down? Bulk up that member ship!

    Girls find you more attractive with our herbal honesty reproduction enhancer. Get more faith-time from those gullible Americans with new ultra power Premier gold medal deluxe Truth Be Told powder. Distilled from the pulverized testicles of tobacco company lawyers, this is genuine disingenuity at it's most potent concentration. Guaranteed to have them eating out of the palm of your hand, you will be invincible in email encounters.

    http://gxzyxkqkdjh.cn/

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    1. Re:Scammers getting scammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > One guy has a live tortoise hanging around his neck to boost his mojo.
      I'd suggest a live tiger around his neck. I _would_ boost is mojo.

  32. Blame Nintendo and Rare software. by dicobalt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine being tricked by a con artist named Banjo. I wonder if he has a friend Kazooie.

  33. Get over it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I refer the Nigerian (and any other scammers) to one of my favorite Eagles tunes entitled "Get Over IT!

  34. Misudnerstanding by aepervius · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you mean this : Media misunderstanding on GS and zloty it was more like media not making real research on a subject and repeating hearsay. IOW business as usual, as media these day , except for a few rare exception, are glorified parrot.

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  35. Uncle's Fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the way. My Uncle recently passed away, it is a very sad time. On the bright side he left me a fortune of $110 dollars. Unfortunately I do not have a dollar denominated bank account. Could somebody please send me a cheque for $1 dollars? which i need to open the account. Once the money is transfered from my uncle's estate I will send you back a cheque for $20M.

  36. Yahoozee by 3vi1 · · Score: 1

    "which gained even more fame after former secretary of state Colin L. Powell danced to it at a London festival last year."

    Yeah, that's how all the kids decide which songs are hot nowadays.

    Secretary's of state need to be more careful, lest we have another summer like that time Warren Christopher danced to I Saw the Sign by Ace of Base.

  37. just a fact by KZigurs · · Score: 1

    skin color?

  38. The scammers are still around by hamburgler007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They just target a different segment of the population now. When times are good they seem to focus on the not so bright who are slightly greedy with a little cash to spare. When times are tough they seem to focus more on the more vulnerable and desperate. To give an example I have been looking for a new apartment, and have been using craigslist to look for rentals. They still have deals that are too good to be true, and not just bait and switch deals from unscrupulous realtors. I ran across one where the rent was very low, but the owner of the property was out of the state and would have to mail me the keys, application, etc, after I mailed an application (that would require my ss #, bank info, etc.) and money order (not check) for doing a credit check.

  39. Just who are the "marks" of the Nigerian scam? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    We all say "that scam is stupid, it could not happen to me", and then I watched a video demo of the "pidgeon drop" confidence game.

    I can kinda see being taken by some scam artist where there is some face-to-face contact. The way the "pidgeon drop" works is that the con artists drop some envelope full of money behind you, the con calls your attention to it "is this your money you dropped. Part of how this work is that an accomplice walks by posing as a "disinterested third party" to build up the crucial network of "trust, but distrust" so you get sucked in putting up "earnest money" until the "rightful owner is attempted to be located." Yes, the thing works on the mark's greed and the notion of an impromptu conspiracy, with the mark not knowing two of the three parties are in collusion, but it probably also works on the idea of a person "getting sucked in" by events and not thinking quickly enough on one's feet about what is happening and what should be happening.

    The Nigerian thing, however, I just don't get. The Nigerian thing is as hackneyed a cliche as "In Soviet Russia", "All Your Base Are Belong to Us", and ". . . Profit!" I mean, what planet is a person living on who falls for it?

    I could even understand if there was some variant to this game. Say, the "Nigerian dude" contacts you by spam e-mail, and you go "ha, ha funny, the dude doesn't even know English", and then it would be followed by an another e-mail "This is Agent Sam Smith from the FBI, and we need your cooperation tracking down a Nigerian con-artist." But they don't even try anything as basic as the "supposedly unrelated third party." It is completely transparent and utterly unsophisticated.

    Are some people compensating for what they think is racial bias against Nigerians that they are willing to help the Nigerian dude to demonstrate they can act against their prejudice? Is it just a compulsion that grips a person to respond, kind of like a Simpson's episode where Homer knows he is being hypnotized and croaks out "must . . . not . . . hit . . . reply . . . to . . . spam . . . e-mail!" I mean, just who are these people who reply?

    1. Re:Just who are the "marks" of the Nigerian scam? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Most people don't get sucked in by the scams.

      However, they operate on the same principles as other scams like the pidgeon drop, which are trust between scammer and scammee, mistrust of others, urgency, the natural built-in desire to help someone in need, and greed.

      They first target the natural human compulsion to help someone in need and the natural mistrust of others. It's usually prince so-and-so died, they have millions of dollars locked up in a bank, and the government is investigating their holdings to take some or all of it. The individual contacting you poses as the family's lawyer, which gives them a position of authority and trust that they are an impartial facilitator. Because the money will soon be discovered and taken by the government, speed is critical and you must act NOW to help move this money. When they tell you that you will recieve a reward of $5k plus the money you put up for helping, but they just need you to send $2.5k to their representative in the US (their liquid funds are frozen, see) so they can get things moving, well, where's the risk? They have millions of dollars they are moving, once it is moved of course they can pay out $7.5k, no problem! It's a pittance! Trust, mistrust, helpfullness, urgency, and greed. The potential for a big cash payout and get people to overlook the glaring problems with the scam, just like in any other scam.

      You have to be gullible to fall for it, but if you are it has all the right elements of a successful scam. And a lot of non-tech people (and there are a LOT of non-tech people) are both gullible and have never heard of this scam before. Not to say tech folk aren't just as gullible, sometimes they can be worse than the average joe, just usually not for tech-based scams like this.

      These are the same people who fall for chain letters, and while less popular now, those things are still around and still pulling in money.

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  40. That's funny. by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

    A wish for mod points.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  42. He upgraded from his OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One Laptop Per Child got him started in the scam business, then he passed his OLPC to a newby scammer and bought himself a dell.

  43. Mmmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what Africa needs... hip hop culture. Great.

  44. More on the Moors by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Coccotti: Sicilians are great liars. The best in the world. I'm a Sicilian. And my old man was the world heavyweight champion of Sicilian liars. And from growin' up with him I learned the pantomime. Now there are seventeen different things a guy can do when he lies to give him away. A guy has seventeen pantomimes. A woman's got twenty, but a guy's got seventeen. And if you know 'em like ya know your own face, they beat lie detectors to hell. What we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don't wanna show me nothin'. But you're tellin' me everything. Now I know you know where they are. So tell me, before I do some damage you won't walk away from.

    Cliff: Could I have one of those Chesterfields now?

    Coccotti: Sure.

    Cliff: Got a match? Oh, don't bother. I got one. So you're a Sicilian, huh?

    Coccotti: Uh-huh.

    Cliff: You know I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that shit fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by niggers.

    Coccotti: Come again?

    Cliff: It's a fact. Sicilians have nigger blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the Moors conquered Sicily. And Moors are niggers. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that nigger gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were niggers. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was fucked by a nigger, and had a half-nigger kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?

    PS: Please direct all credit (or scorn) to True Romance. :)

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  45. So easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to claim something. Less so to explain it: exactly how was anything stolen?

  46. 419eater.com forever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does this mean we will get less entertainment from the lads courtiesy of the great folks at www.419eater.com?

  47. 419 Scam Baiting by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have noticed that it is harder to engage in this activity. I used to enjoy wasting as much of these cat's time as possible and then arranging to meet them in London and never show. Then, when I get the response, "I was greatly disappointed to see that you never arrived for our meeting," I would come up with some other excuse like a sick family member or something or other and arrange another meeting. I would do this until I heard from the scammer no more. Might be that these guys share information because my email no longer gets 419 scams. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

  48. I Wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....suppose one could make use of botnet software to infect and either identify or eliminate the PC's (or whatever they're using) of these scammers? I mean, if they can do such things to the rest of us, why not return the favor?

  49. 419s are yesterday's news by Shauni · · Score: 1

    The new scam is "I make $159/day on Google! Find out how with Fast Google Cash!" You want scams that thrive in recessions, there they are.

  50. Some sort of issue for by vorlich · · Score: 1

    Fools and their money being parted?
    "Please help me, I just engaged in an act which even the lowest member of the primates would know was illegal and now I am upset because I was ripped off?"
    The fundamentals of the law is that you must limit your own liabilities.
    The mythology of the 419 scammer is similar to the street corner drug dealer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics. Most of them barely earn enough money to get by since they have to pay tributes to all of the criminal elements above them and most of them live with their moms.
    Certain slashdotters may experience some affinity with the last sentence.

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    1. Re:Some sort of issue for by hobbit · · Score: 1

      I just engaged in an act which even the lowest member of the primates would know was illegal

      If you think they don't know it's illegal, well, who's the stupid one?

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      "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
  51. OMG DON'T CLICK ITS A SCAM by NikolaiKutuzov · · Score: 1
    I'm sure its a scam! If I click on the link, it has all those sql errors! I am sure the've hacked the website!

    *hmz* That sounded funnier in my head

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  52. touhg? shoot on sight! by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    I will only consider it "tough times" if the number of 419 scammers of dropping so fast as a result from hunting parties or all kinds of accidents that they suddenly become an extinct species. before that moment, life is too good for them.

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